024 | 2000 Dodge Viper ACR Specs, Window Sticker & Hummer EV vs Ferrari

Hey, what's happening? How are you doing today? Thank you so much for being here. I am Chris.

And this is the world famous cool cards with Chris, man. And on today's episode of the show,

well, earlier today, courage and I met up at the Scripps ranch cars and coffee. It's such

an amazing time. You'll hear about that experience. And while we were there, we'll check this out.

We encountered a bunch of dodge vipers or like Viper day or something. So a guy is there with a

dodge Viper. He picked up in, I think it was a 2000 dodge Viper. He actually had the window sticker

of the car on the car. We're going to go over that. Plus remember that three 70 Z I used to

have the Nissan Z. I kind of love that car. When I sold that car, the guy who bought it

actually could not drive a stick shift. And he told me, I couldn't believe this. He actually told

me he was learning how to drive a stick shift based on using a video game. What? And then topping it

off. If General Motors decides to put up a for GT, a Ferrari and their Hummer EV head to head in a

hot, like quick race for their marketing. Well, since it's GM burning the show, I wonder which

one of those vehicles took the lead. Well, you'll find out on this episode. Let's go.

All right. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the world famous cool cars with

Chris going around the world and around the city, meet each other. Hey, Kurt, how you doing today,

buddy? Good man. No, I mean, yeah, I'm probably talking about it more, but it's good to hang out

at some, some car car events and get out in the city and in the world there. So unless I'm doing

good, always good to get on and talk some cars. You came on down to the San Diego here and you

met me at the Scripps Ranch cars and coffee. What was your, you know, what did you think of that

cars and coffee? I don't even know a lot of them. Yeah. No, I mean, it was, it was cool. It was,

you know, I, I heard about the Point Loma ones that they were doing, which I don't know if they're

really doing those as much anymore. And so Andy, I think is one of the guys that puts them on. I

got a chance to try with him a little bit and, you know, his, his NSX is just like, that's a piece

of art, man. That's like a car. It's like, it's like, it's like something should be like an action

movie. Yeah. You know, that, that thing is transcended, you know, just this himself, like

people just know the car. And so, you know, I've seen it there and then seeing some familiar,

you know, other cars that I've seen throughout, you know, it was a, it definitely was a little bit

closer knit of a vibe than some of the cars and coffees. What do you mean by that?

Just, it really kind of felt like, you know, it was, it wasn't clicky. Like we kind of talked

about that where like you can kind of go to, go to these events and feel like there's little clicks

here and there and like it's hard to kind of, you know, if you're a newcomer, it's hard to kind

of feel like you're, you're welcomed unless you kind of, kind of breach your way into it. But

it just felt like everybody was like, you know, the people that knew each other, obviously you

could tell, but like they were just very welcoming and, and it was just really like, this is just

like a highlight of theirs is just getting out and, and having this like, this cars and coffee.

And I don't know, I just felt, I just felt welcome. Like there's ones where I go to where

I feel like it's a little harder to kind of get yourself in the mix a little bit more.

Really? You know, here, here was just like, it felt pretty instant. So I mean, Escondido cars

and coffee kind of the same. Like, okay, I get up there. I get up there. Especs tours,

head up to Escondido and see Mike up there and the crew up there.

Their crew was really welcoming as well. Like big shout out to them, but I have gone to some

that's maybe, you know, they are, I wouldn't say that like people are rude or anything. I'm not

going to put that out there, but it's just that, you know, it's maybe a little harder for people

to come out of their shell and, you know, really start to like, you know, if they, if they don't

really know that person personally to really kind of get people out of their shell. There's,

I've been to ones where it's a little bit more like that, but I didn't get that vibe here.

So it was a fun day for sure. Yeah. I have a good time with seeing go up there and seeing Andy

with his, his NSX and I always greet him. We always say hi and chat for a minute.

And then he goes out and sees and talks to everybody else too. And he gets his little

videos and stuff. And he told me today that, that sweeping shot he always gets of the entire

parking lot. Like how do you do that? I always thought like he went on the roof of the business,

but it turns out I didn't pay attention to this, but I guess there's a little,

like a second story balcony for businesses on the second floor and a little like balcony with

a stairwell that goes up there. Like, Oh, that makes, totally makes sense. You go up there,

take shots up there today. Yeah. Cause he showed me that. I was like, okay, I totally forgot about

that. So, but yeah, I like to go around and take pictures. I didn't take pictures of everything,

but I, I tried to, but I went, I kind of wonder if you start to see the same cars at these events

going every week you go or every time you go, do you feel weird or do you even take the same

pictures again? Cause the same car you took pictures of last time you were here. Do you

It depends. Like, you know, I, I, funny enough, like I don't always, for me with the cars and

coffee that are, that are going on here in San Diego, I'm, I'm usually not going to the same one

every week. And I know they only do those. I think there, there's is only the third Sunday of the

month, right? You know, dude, I have no idea. I just see what he posts to be saying. Yeah. And

you're just like, we'll tag me and he'll say, Hey, you come into this thing and I say, Oh,

what is it? And I'll send me the thing. I said, okay, I'll, I'll say I can make it. Yeah. Um,

that's, that's how I know about these things. They, they tag me and I'll probably shout out

if you're listening right now, tag me in something or message me directly in a social

media or something like that. That's how I know about these things. Otherwise I forget. I forget.

You know, I don't keep a calendar, you know? Cause Chris, Chris will get that and get out there.

Him, it was cool being your son, by the way, too, but you guys are out there. Oh, dark 30.

Like I, I showed up and we got there and we got there. There was still like no parking.

And so that's the thing. Like we get out there, like right after seven o'clock,

I'm thinking like, okay, we'll get there. It might be some room to park up front, whatever.

It's like no parking anywhere. It's like, we're going to park it. And there's the thing about

parking is that when you roll up in the cars and coffee, all eyes are on you. And so especially

roll through the middle of the crowd, like middle where everyone's parked at. And I'm thinking like,

if I like better like look cool and back this thing up without hitting anything or, you know,

making sure I'm not like totally crooked in the parking spot, you know? And so I'm trying to like

play it cool. And the, and the Mustang now has the backup camera installed in there. So we can

see when we back it up in there, it's more of a guide than it is like more modern backup cameras

have like the, you know, sensors and the beeping and like those kinds of things. It's kind of more

like a reference guide than anything else. And so I pull up in there and we're going to park it.

I saw the row of Mustangs like, I'll be kind of cool. They park next to the Mustangs,

but I'm like, I don't know. They're probably, they're a little clicks being a clicks. They're

probably they're a little click with the Shelby's. And I'm like, yeah, we'll just park it over here

on this side over here. But it did get bigger. A lot of bigger crowd out there. And um,

Jacob loves going out there and, and he will, he woke up early this morning. He wanted to,

he woke up before I did and get ready to go. And so we headed out there, made coffee,

we hit it out there. And um, you know, it was, uh, it was kind of, uh, it was fun.

Getting over, this is not that far from the house. So it doesn't take as long to get over there.

And so we get over there and then, um, so you park and then we start walking around and checking

the different cars out and I was drinking my coffee and I wasn't really thinking a ton of

pictures. So speaking of pictures, as I said, like if you've already seen the car,

like there's some cars there I've seen before and like, oh, it's so cool. I took pictures of it.

Like that purple, that purple Audi RA, like I see that one there pretty, you know, pretty often,

obviously, you know, Andy's in a sex. Like he's already, he's always there too. And of course,

his buddy with the, with the, uh, Lamborghini, I talked to him at the Miramar, uh, Mirmesa one

for a long time and he's, he was there and I saw him at him and you know, some of the same cars

were there I've seen before. So it's kind of cool to see them. But then, um, for me today,

my son pointed this out cause I asked him, what did you, like, what do you do like from seeing,

you know, the show today, which, which car is like really stood out for you. And for him,

he said it was all the vipers we saw today. Yep. Yep. It was a little bit, I think that was

probably like the outside of the Mustangs outside of, you know, you get, you can, you guys counting

that too, but outside of like the Shelby row and then the Mustangs, like the vipers were definitely

probably like the second most prominent car out there. And you, you had really like a good

representation of, of, uh, generations out there too. Like, you know, an early first gen, a second

gen, a third gen, it was, it was pretty cool to see those out. The one guy, I was talking to him

about his viper and he let me sat in the driver's seat. And so I got it. You want to get inside?

It's like, yeah, sure. I'll get inside. So I got inside the thing. I think it's cramped, by the

way. It is super tight in those things. I mean, you are snug, like, uh, like a blanket wrapped

around you real tight, you know? And so you're, I'm in there. I'm like, I think it's really tight

in here. It's not much room to breathe around. You can't like, you know, drive with your knees.

Like, I like it sometimes, but no, just kidding. You know, but there's not a lot of room to do that.

So it's, it's pretty snug. It's really tight. And the guy said he had it since, uh,

I think he said he had it for 20 something years. He's had the car. So he's had it pretty much

fairly new and he had the window sticker. I remember, so I took a picture of the

I remember seeing that because I was the gray, the gray one with the white stripe, right? Yeah.

Right. Like I, you could definitely tell that it's a driver's car and in a good way, but

you can tell that like, you know, he, he drives the car a lot. You know, I love seeing the window

sticker because it's really one of the retail price that vehicles I'm pulling it up right now.

The retail price of the sticker, according to the window sticker, which you had,

it said it was a 2000 model and it is $90,000. Wow. Okay. But in Justin for,

adjusting for inflation, was that put you at like 150 ish? Dude, you couldn't even find them.

Like I did the last generation of those things when they were made.

They were well over a hundred grand and according to this window sticker here,

I'm looking at the very top left, the base price of the vehicle is $72,000.

Oh wow. So 20, 20 grand in options. Let's see. Destination charge. What's the biggest

charge they had on here? Optional equipment, the ACR package for 10 grand. Yeah, it's an ACR.

Now that right there is, is a big, that's a, like, I didn't actually realize that it was an ACR until

I like peeked under the hood and saw the ACR emblem, like kind of imprinted on the, the little vinyl

part of the hood, but that, that makes a lot of sense now. What would you like to know what your

10 grand pays for in, according to this window sticker? Oh yeah. No, I'm very curious. Your 10

optional equipment. It says ACR package, wheels, 18 inch aluminum, silver, suspension, competition,

radio, delete, no radio, delete. Yeah. So they charge you to remove your radio for you. Take

that. Oh, and heater, no, all, oh, must be air, it's filled A, A, I, T air conditioning,

must be air conditioning. It says no air conditioning, fog lamps, delete, dash, plaque,

air cleaner, low restriction. It must be some kind of like, is that something like the filter?

That's probably, no, what they probably have like a, you know, it's performance, like a performance

air filter at that point. Like that's probably like their way of saying that, like, you know,

that's, that's why we do like cold air intakes for examples, because it's less restrictive than

like those air boxes that you usually get for a stock car. Oh, they have a gas guzzler tax,

by the way, $3,000. The window sticker had to have said like how many, how much like the,

the rated like EPA miles per gallon was. Okay. Just guess what the highway

rated miles per gallon on a Dodge Viper. Highway had to be a, had to be 12.

No, it's pretty good actually. Really? For highway. Not talking city, I'm talking highway here.

Okay. Well, what were we at like 16, 17? My truck gets about the same as this.

21 miles to go. Wow. Are you serious? I'm actually pretty impressed by that actually.

But what's, what's weird though is that, okay, for example, my pickup truck, it's rated at 22

highway. I think it's 15 or 16 city, right? Cause that's a 10 speed. So it can kind of get

away with that. Yeah. My other truck had a six speed and it got like 21 highway, same motor.

Now this is like a eight liter V 10, 21 highway. What's similar to my truck?

But what gets me is the difference between city and highway. Such a big gap.

The city is 11. Yeah. Okay. So, okay. Which that's, that's still not as bad as I thought.

Like that was, and to be honest, like, you know, something with that, like a Viper with like the,

it probably has just crazy amounts of torque. So, you know, you can be, you know, you can

probably be churning like, you know, 1800 RPMs and, and be just golden, like, you know, with,

with just torque and not have to worry about, you know, if even if you have to accelerate,

like you can still move past folks pretty easily in six gear. And so I'm, I'm not that surprised

at that split, but I definitely thought it was going to be single digit.

You know, this car and my Z have something in common. I'm reading the specs right now.

And the thing they have in common is the size of the fuel tank because it says it only has

a 19 gallon fuel tank. Okay. Yeah. Cause you got, yeah. Cause the year's the,

yeah, yours he had the same, about the same as like my M 35, like they have about,

about the same size gal. It's like 18 or something like that.

And what's fully, is that the new Mustang we bought, well, guess used Mustang is that

it only has a 16 gallon tank and you seem to burn through fuel fairly quickly. I noticed

you're talking a four liter V six engine. It's fairly good size. It's a truck engine,

rather the truck in a motor. It's not really a gas separate really. And so having a 16 gallon,

I noticed you, it needle starts to drop fairly quickly when you, when you use it,

it doesn't cost us a fill up because you're only filling up 16 gallons. But,

and I didn't think, I didn't think, I just guess how much the end, the ends,

well, like 12 gallons, is it less than 12 gallons? Yeah. It's right at 12 and a half.

Yeah. That's it. So yeah. Let's see. You go through that. You go through it pretty quick.

If you really were like hypermiling it on the highway, you could probably get

about like 330 miles of range, but I'm, I'm, I'm the, you know, driving city and everything.

Like I probably would be good to see like 280 like you get on a tank. So, you know, even, even

a four cylinder, even, you know, a four cylinder turbo that is rated at like, you know, I can

get up to about 31 to 32 miles per gallon on the highway, but it's just such a small tank

that just burns through it super quick. So I remember I used to go to Vegas a lot and get

all the way up there in my other truck, even this new truck, although I did one Vegas trip

in my new truck, but I've done multiple, like many, many, many trips to my older truck I had,

which had the same coyote V8, smaller tank. You only had 26 gallon and I was able to go all the

way up there on a full tank and have like a quarter tank when I got there enough to drive

around, get gas, come back. So as long as one take up, one tank back and it was good.

If we take the Mustang to Vegas, which I'm planning to do, I gotta think, I gotta like think about

gas stops now because I never had used to think about gas stops when I went to Vegas. I used to

think it's not going to make us there in one, in one sitting. It's going to probably have to get

gas, probably I'm a bar store, wherever you get gas at to make it the rest of the way.

It's crazy to think about. I didn't really thought about doing that, but because, because

gas is almost like range anxiety. Because, because, because gas is so much cheaper in Vegas

than it is here in California, like maybe 30, 50 cents difference. And so if you can make it

there on one tank, right? And then fill up in Vegas, come back, great. And that's what you,

that's what I used to do. But if you still got to fill up in California, right? That's a given.

That's a given. You have to leave town. Of course you have to fill up here. Of course it makes sense.

Yeah. But I'm saying like, at least, at least have to fill up twice in California.

That's, yeah, that's, that's what I was getting at. Yeah. Like you, you got to account for two

California fuel ups and then, and then, you probably, and then you get the benefit of the,

the, the Vegas fill up on the way back, but it's still, it's still developed again in California

to get back again. So it's like, it's like four Phillips in California, one in Vegas,

kind of thing. But, but yeah, I want to take the car out there to Vegas. And I think it's

going to be a smooth ride. And I, and you saw the car, what are your impressions of like the

interior? Oh man. Yeah. No, I'm glad you asked. And, and yeah, just, just a big point on that is

it was really cool to see the car in person. Like, you know, the, the thing is definitely a time

capsule. The, the outside, you know, it was, it's just, you know, in great condition. We,

we saw another one and I know you, you get, you probably talk about it. We saw another one that

was not as in the best condition, you know, the guy loved it. That blue one, right? The blue one.

Yeah. Yes. That was an 09. He said, really? So yeah. So newer than, than your guys is.

Yeah. Right. But he had some upgrades. He upgraded the fog lamps and they're pretty the wheels.

They, this is not a GT to V six. He's only had a few years. I even have an exhaust or no,

I asked him about that. And he said, he wasn't sure because the previous owner did something to

it. He wasn't sure. And when he fired it up, it didn't sound super loud. It didn't really sound

loud at all. Tell you the truth. I don't know what they did to it. Maybe they did like a muff

flute. I wouldn't think a muffler delete because on V sixes, when you do a muffler,

they get loudly like it gets real loud and it didn't sound that loud. So it depends what he

did. He could just set a tip or something at the end. Or I don't, I don't even know. You could

pet boy special or something kind of a thing. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows. So in fact, I was

looking into doing an exhaust on the, on the Mustang. It's the next thing. Well, that next thing,

that's what I think we want to do to the car. I know Jacob's really excited to do all kinds of

like upgrades. He's really looking at intakes and, and doing that kind of stuff.

He told me today, he's like calculating like all the different power you're going to get from

these upgrades, which is what you do, right? And you, you know, modifying your car,

you think he will modify this adds this much power, but when I find that adds, that's much power.

And I'm thinking, Jacob, why don't you worry about the power you have right now?

Contain the power you have now, right? Why don't you worry about driving first? Why don't you worry

about getting like your license and figuring out the vehicle you have right now before you

start getting upgrades? I know you. That's, that is the car guy. That's the car guy in them. No,

because that's exactly how we are. Like we, in that exact case, like I don't even want my license,

but I need to make sure this ride is moving. Right. Right. More power. I say you're probably,

it's probably going to blow you away. Once he starts driving and gets like in on the road and

starts using the vehicle, like actually not in the parking, actually using the vehicle,

just being it, it's probably going to blow him away. You know, that's your first car. I mean,

he's going from nothing to that. The same thing happens. It's all about perspective too. Like

if you drive, like I drove like horrible slow cars and then you get into something like even

a V six Mustang, it feels like a rocket ship. Yeah. It depends what you're driving. You know,

if you're driving like a V eight Mustang the entire time and you go into something like a

Honda Civic, like this thing slows a turn, you know, or whatever, but other way around,

it feels fast. So that's all that perspective really. When I drove that Z that other day,

I drove that Z and it felt fast. It felt, you know, quick. I mean, I haven't driven one in a while,

but it felt good, felt snappy, felt great. It felt really fun. And a car like that,

I can see just driving around for fun, not for something like, you know,

used for like road trips, really. It's purposeful when you're in it, like you're in it for a reason

type thing. That's what was for my Z. Like I never took my Z anywhere far. I think the

furthest I ever took my Z that I'm trying to think, I never took it to Vegas.

I'm trying to think about, even took it to LA. I may have, I may not have.

I don't think I even did. You're different from me, man. Cause I, I mean, I was, you know,

I was a college kid and it was obviously my only car, but I, you know, but my first,

like huge trip in the car was like driving back, driving between here in the Bay Area,

the whole eight hour, nine hour drive between here in the Bay Area and then coming back from

the Bay Area, I drove up the one coming back to San Diego and that was a 11 hour drive or something

like that. And I mean, that's like, no, it's just like the one, if you know, the one is like the

coast, like litter, like, you know, we, me and my buddy, cause he, he went to UC Santa Barbara and,

you know, we were like, Oh yeah, it'd be cool to just kind of take the one up instead of like

taking the 101 or the five. And it took us, it took us about six to seven hours to get from

the Bay Area to Santa Barbara. And then I had another like three and a half, four hour drive

from Santa Barbara to San Diego. And we were all in, you know, we were in this, you know,

my 300 ZX that like had a radio that would overheat after we drove like for two hours. And,

you know, we drove with the tea tops off, you know, for probably like a good like three or

four hours of the trip. And, you know, these are the kinds of things you can do. Like when

you're younger, I could not imagine. Yeah, you got, I didn't have anything anywhere to be or

anything, you know, it's kind of tricky to do that. But yeah, the Z like, I always pictured

as being like a fun, like I took it to work a lot towards the end. I did commute in the car a lot.

The early days I had it, it was basically my weekend fun car to like cruise around the weekends,

maybe like, you know, do coastal trips and run around and that kind of stuff. Nothing major

really. And I think it's a work a few times and things like that. It went back and forth. And then,

and then for a while it became like, I was taking the car to work a lot parking the truck

and then I was kind of going back and forth. So the truck was like the weekend car in the Z

became like the commuting car for a while back to work to work. It kind of went back and forth

like that. I kind of tried to balance the miles. I didn't go crazy miles on my new truck and that

kind of stuff. So I'm going to back and forth. But I can see the Mustang, the Mustang we have,

I can feel like that'll be more of a cruiser to Vegas road trip kind of a car. Now it's not super

plush and comfortable. It's not like a big, you know, Cadillac or Calture, whatever. It's not

like that at all. But the Z just feels like, I don't know, something I want to just drive around

in like fun country road kind of driving, not the, you know, I'm going to drive to LA

in the Z kind of driving, especially a traffic with a stick shift. That's kind of sick.

It's a pretty, you know, it seems like a pretty, pretty solid in between from say going in like

the Z versus going in your truck where like, you know, it's less maybe purposeful than the Z,

but it's a little bit more, you know, fun, maybe fun, fun to drive than the truck, like on a long

drive. Like you can, you know, if you get, get some twisties, like you can maybe enjoy it a little

bit here and there. Well, that's what I should do. I used to take my car out in that video I just

posted on YouTube was taken in the back hills, you know, on my old house. And I used to take it back

there. And after I got the exhaust done, I wanted to, you know, check it out there, take a video of

it. It sounded awesome. By the way, dude, I like took me back to, to buy it, but that was fun.

The system I had on there was two and a half inch piping from the cats back, removing all the

piping from the cats back, the original stock, everything, get it out of there. And so they

built a custom system, two and a half inch pipe coming right off both cats going into an X pipe,

which cut it in half, full dual exhaust, all the way back, two mufflers in the very back,

kind of like pinned up, tucked up at an angle because the way the body was, the way the original

muffler was, was like this weird, like, I don't know, kind of like sideways shaped muffler

that two pipes came in, two pipes came out. So like a singular muffler, single muffler with two

pipes coming in, two weps coming out. So yanked all that out and made two separate mufflers

with two separate pipes. And so coming in and I wanted the tips to look like it could be stock,

but they weren't stock. I didn't want these big, gaudy, like, look at me, like exhaust tips. I

wanted something that looked like it could be stock, but it wasn't stock. And so I went that

direction, the whole thing, it enhances it, the whole thing right there. And so he backed it out

of the bay and then he like, give it a few revs as before he put the parking brake and was like,

holy crap, the sound is so great, so great. And so that's what gives that real nice sound to it.

And it doesn't sound like, even though it's a VQ, like, I don't think, watch that video,

I don't think it quite sounds like a VQ. Does it sound like a VQ to you? Because VQ

said that weird sound, you know what I'm saying? When you do, like, I mean, you did it the right

way because it's the, I think you need that X pipe to really kind of make sure that it doesn't

get super droney and really like, you know, kind of high-pitched shrieky, you know, shrieky,

which is like a weird word to say. But, you know, a lot of inclinations for people with these are

just to go straight piped or just like, you know, tome, you know, the kind of going tome exhaust

and you really need some type of scavenging. It's like what the X pipe is doing is kind of like,

you know, diverting, you know, a lot of this like noise, like to kind of condense it a little bit,

but still give you a really balanced tone coming out. They say it does give you an exotic sound

with the X pipe versus an H pipe because H pipe gives you more like a muscle car sound. That's

right. Yeah. And when it really gets like overly raspy and, you know, that, and that kind of,

you know, kind of deal with just really like V6's are inherently kind of like that. Like,

you know, the Z, my Z, I did, I did do an X pipe, but with the older like V6's especially,

like it was real easy to make those just way too loud. And even that car was probably like,

I couldn't do it to like now in the present, it was too loud, but it still had a clean tone.

Like it wasn't like overly like raspy and like, you didn't hear like, you know, as you go up in

the rev range, like it didn't sound like just a whole bunch of vibration. Yeah. Like, yeah,

like tin can vibration, like it definitely still had like a clean tone. And, and I, yeah, you,

you definitely like, when I was listening to that video, I was like, man, like,

that was a really good sound. Like it was a good time overall.

I miss it so much, man. Let me tell you. And it was such a thrill to drive. It was even more

of a thrill to have other people drive it while standing shotgun. I'd let the guy who bought

obviously drive it. He was a little clumsy because he was just learning how to drive a stick.

Funny side note on that, the dude told me that he was learning how to drive a stick shift

playing video games. I kid you, I kid you. And I'm like, are you sure you can drive a stick?

Yeah. I'm learning on whatever he had a simulator. I don't know what he had. I don't

know what he had a video game, something other he had. And I'm like, well, I just got it. I got it.

I got to say this because I'm like, you know, I was big in the video games and like the,

like the not like I was in the sim racers. I didn't have like a full on sim like setup,

but I did have like the race wheel with the, with the stick shift, you know, gear shift.

You had the pedals and everything. I did have the pedals and everything and like the gear,

like the six speed, you know, H, you know, H shifter and everything. And that like, unless

he was playing, like there was some games that did kind of dial it in to the point where like,

you really did kind of get like clutch travel. But no, you don't, you don't get any feeling

from it. And even like when it comes to clutch travel, like it's like almost kind of like an

on off switch in a lot of video games where you, you know, even if you're just pressing the clutch

a little bit, like that's clutch on. And if you take your foot off, like I've said, it's clutch

off real clutch is not like that at all. Like you, you have to like, could you practice with that to

make it similar to figure out how to drive a stick shift? Like I said, it depends. Like certain,

certain games, at least like in the early, like the late 2000s, 2010s, like they, they started to

find ways to sort of simulate what it really is like to sort of engage a clutch and let out and

give it like a little bit of gas so that you don't stall and different things like that. But

majority of the time, like it's again, like if you treat, if somebody got into a car for the

first time driving stick and they treated it as an on off switch with the clutch, they'd stall all

the time. Yeah. I think he did stall. And I think about when we were driving around where he was,

he was kind of let the clutch out and he was kind of like, couldn't figure out, figure out the play

with the throttle and the clutch and he was kind of like jumping to the jump people do. Like you're

trying to get it going kind of thing. That's, yeah. That's, that's all I could imagine is like,

you know, the, the, your video game impression of how a clutch works is totally different from

how it works in reality. And it's hard, it's hard to really get practice on a clutch these days

because it's hard to find one. Yeah. I was, I was wearing a shirt around the day and I was wearing

a jacket. So you probably didn't see it while I was out there, but I was wearing a shirt around

the day that says it basically has like a six speed like, you know, gear shift pattern in the

middle and it says endangered species around it. Oh nice. Because it really is. It's a, it's a dying

breed, you know, to have people, you know, have choosing the manual options of cars, let alone

the amount of manual options there are for cars these days. Right. I think it's, it's,

I mean, the part of the video game thing probably helps get the motion down of like what to do,

what your, what your foot does and your hand does kind of a thing. But I think there's something

to actually feeling the clutch pedal, pressing it, feeling the gear, going to gear, feeling the

vibrations of it, kind of like grinding it, pulling it out early, forgetting to use the clutch

pedal and trying to grab it and try to put it on the clutch pedal and things like that. And every

car is different. Like, you know, every, every car is like, you know, kind of grab point is different.

You know, they, that's like some cars, some cars do really have a very linear clutch that like,

you know, as you let out, like you're the cars grabbing gradually and like some cars have like

a real, like it really is kind of like an auto switch up until a certain point. Like, you know,

you might bring it up like a good amount and it really isn't like letting the clutch out very much,

but then you have a grab point randomly somewhere like in the middle of that. And it's actually

kind of like that in the end where it's kind of hard to get used to. And I actually, I've been

driving a car for three years now and I actually had a random situation literally yesterday where

I stole that light. And I like, that hasn't happened to me in forever. It happened to me a

couple of times in the Z2. I get it. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah. But I did have like a nightmare,

like the night of after, like, you know, like as if that then I really happened and I really

stole like in reality, but the worst part is we do that at cars and coffee. If you're revving your,

your car and you're like backing in like, you know, car show parking and making it look all super

cool. And then you're like, oh, and you're like, act cool. Like, you know what, let's do that.

Yeah. You know, it's something cool. Like, yeah. And then you just hoped it like it starts again.

Like, it should, it should, you know, I've seen some older cars where like, yeah,

you that that happens that you stall out with an older car and then you do, you're sitting there

trying to restart it now. And it's not one to crank over for some reason. Like, oh man,

that was the case. If I did that at cars and coffee with my cool classic car,

just hang out until we're left and then try to like fix it. Yeah. Just leave it where it,

where it sat for a minute. Don't be the cool guy trying to like, you know,

rev it and try and get out of there. And like, you know, it's one thing I have not experienced

that with going to all these cars and coffee. I wonder if it's going to happen. Is the

ultimate like, check me out. Let me do a, a burn rubber and slam into a tree.

Yeah. I mean, I, thankfully I've, I've not like been actually physically at an event where it's

something like that's happened too. And so, you know, as much as like, it'd be like, man,

like that, you know, that really happened like right here in front of me. Like,

I really, I really don't want to be around for it because those, those are the kind of things that,

you know, kind of get events shut down at the end of the day is like when people do something

like that. And also I bet the guy who did it is probably so embarrassed and so like feels whole,

so horrible that he probably is emotional, highly emotional at that moment. And when somebody's

highly emotional, you don't know what they're going to do. No, I've seen, I've seen clips of

like people where they, you know, they, they clip something or whatever. And then they still try

to drive off with like a wheel missing or something because there's like, I gotta get out of here.

I gotta get out of here. But if somebody did a burnout at the cars and coffee today, right,

and they slammed into a tree or a building or whatever and I'm like, runs over their phones

and they're filming a thing. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. And the guy whoever gets out, they could be a girl,

you know, I'm not being discriminative here, but it could be a girl too. Who knows. The person gets

out of the car and they're super emotional, super heated, super pissed off. And then they're just

like, and people are filming and like laughing and like, oh my gosh, whatever and a lot of stuff.

You can imagine the emotional stress that would, that person would be in that moment

that they could like start throwing punches at the first person nearby. You just never know.

And I can totally see that happening. And, um, yeah, I don't want to be in that, that path and

then, and something, so imagine that happening where, where the guys are throwing punches,

hit somebody, guy hits him back and then the other guy, you know, and it's going to start something.

And then now it's a whole deal. Yeah. Right. Right. And then we're on the news or whatever.

And the next thing you know, on social media, it's not our cool posts at cars.

It's social media posts saying, oh, cops are involved in a, you know, you know, crash at a,

at a fight at this cars and coffee today. And how, and all how much that will be generalized

by the general public after that is like, oh, you go, you, you ever go to these car events,

you're going to like end up getting in fights with people and end up on the news. And like,

that's just going to be the general consensus of, of car culture now at this point. And you know,

right, right. Well, just a slippery slope. It is. I think people get emotionally heated

if we're almost anything sporting events for a good example, you know, in the potteries playing

all the time. I go to lots of potteries games and, you know, after the game, I'll see videos

on Instagram and be like, Oh, the big fight broke out in section, whatever at the game.

And you see videos, it and stuff like how I didn't see that when I was there.

I know. Yeah. But I don't want to be involved in what I do. I don't want to be in that middle

of that mess with the kids and stuff. I don't be there for that. And I can see that kind of

deterrence people from going, especially like Raiders game. It's the whole thing, the Chargers

Raiders game. It was like notorious for fights. That is a, yeah, it's a risky, but when I went

there, I didn't know the problems at all. When I went to the Raiders stadium, no problems at all.

But of course, when I was sitting all Chargers fans, it was like Chargers crowd,

it was like, whatever, but, but I didn't see any of that stuff. Maybe, maybe, I don't know,

but I'm sure it does happen. It happens in a lot of places where people are like gathered

and they have events and people. And there's passion involved.

Right. Right. Right. Especially a passion project, like your cool car that you spend

money on and you're working on for, you know, for years, you try to be, do something cool

because you're all hyped up because everyone's are watching you, you know,

checking you, checking you out, check me out. I'm going to do a burnout right now.

And then you slide into a mailbox or whatever.

I can imagine it. Hopefully it doesn't happen. I got a, I got a hot take that if you,

I hope you allow me to have a slight soap box moment.

Please do it. The soap box show, buddy.

So go right in. It'll fall off of it. It's right there for you.

Yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't get on your soap box and then fall off the side of it.

Go crash. Keep the bus things. Yeah. But my take on this is that

we go to, we, we all go to these car events. We enjoy, we enjoy cars. We particularly enjoy

how cars sound. You know, that's part of the experience of being at like a cars and copies.

You, you see something cool roll up. You hear it like rolling through the parking lot and parking

or whatever. You like to hear like maybe a rev or two here and there, like nothing crazy.

You don't have to be bouncing off the rev limiter or anything, but we all enjoy it.

Like that's what we're there for. Like that's all part of the experience. And I, I feel like,

you know, I know there's a lot now where like, you know, a lot of events now will post in their,

like, you know, their advertisements, like no wrapping, no, you know, no, no burnouts, no,

you know, no, this, no, that. And I, I 100% agree that like, you know, doing a burnout at

like an event, like there's really no situation where anybody really thinks that that's cool.

Like, you know, what about the side shows? I feel like do the side shows.

Well, but that, that, I mean, to be, that's where I'm like, you know, that's the sideshow

mentality. And it's like, if you want to, if that's what you're into, like, you need to go to a side

show. So different than the cars and cars. So side shows are different than cars and coffee.

That's again, soapbox moment. Don't go to a car show. Don't go to a car show or cars and coffee

expecting it to be a side show. Like, you know, and if you're the type of person that is going to

them, that's trying to make the cars and coffee a side show, that's, that's becoming part of the

problem. Why people were like feeling like they have to, you know, put no revving, no burnouts,

like all of these things.

Well, it's making it clear that some people know, like, there are some people that think

when they go to a cars and coffee, they might think it is a side show just based on all the

social media clips you see, all the craziness and different things. And of course, you know,

movies don't help either, you know, like the Fast and Furious and all that kind of stuff,

people burning out and doing whatever. But even like, I mean, you know, even the early Fast and

Furious, the thing that I was like, you know, that thought about, because it's funny you mentioned

that is that, like, you know, say take the first Fast and Furious, like, you know, that whole,

like racing scene and that they have kind of situated, like, you know, again, they're doing

this, like they know it's like a legal street racing, like, you know, we can't necessarily

condone that. But they know that this is like an illegal street racing event. But like, you know,

this is what you're at the event for, like, you know, they have the whole car show going on where

people are showing people, like, you know, the 10k that they put on Subwoofers and they're in the

back of their trunk and everything. But the actual race itself, like, you know, in the first Fast

and Furious is like, you know, it's pretty like defined that this is what's going on at this event.

And when it comes to cars and coffee, in my opinion, like, you know, you're, you're going

there to kind of be a part of the community show off, like, you know, your car, your cool build

or whatever, and check out other people's meet people and things like that. But inherently,

like the event itself is not trying to advertise itself as a side show or like as a, you know,

as a burnout box event. Like, if you want to do that, go out to street legal, they've been doing

that actually over the last, like, you know, three months, they've been doing like a legal

takeover, they call it, where they just like box off out in Paris, actually. Paris, California,

they, they got like a, I think it's a hundred by 90, you know, box off area and you literally

pay 30 bucks and you can go out there and literally just, you know, just spin the car,

like do donuts, do burnouts and that's like your zone for that.

And it's box off so nobody can get close enough to get hurt.

Yep. Yep. So they, they make sure they got, you know, they got the barriers up and they make

sure seating is like, you know, away from it and, and they got, you know, safety crews and

things like that. If anything were to happen and, you know, this is, this is a really controlled

event. The street legal was the brand that did the racing at Qualcomm stadium back in the day.

They did have that. And it's funny. Yeah. Cause I remember taking the Z

out there when I was in college, actually going to like go into one of those events. And, and

yes, they, they, so street legal now is, um, yeah, they, they've been doing drag racing

specifically. They got, they're kind of quoted to be like one of the shortest drag strips,

you know, there, there is, cause it's only 330 feet. But people have really enjoyed it

because it's, it's non-prepped. So, you know, a lot of drag strips are, or they have a prep

surface so that you get like your ideal like stickiness with the tires and get like your

ideal launch, but he slicks with that. Uh, you don't have to. I mean, with a, with a non-prep

surface, like if you have a good perform for performance tire, you're usually able to grip

pretty well and get a pretty good launch. But with a non-prepped, uh, you know, surface, it's,

it's basically like if you were just on the street, you know, be just on regular asphalt,

you're even if you have like a drag slick, like you can still get a situation where you just

get wheel spin because your tires just aren't prepped. They don't have any, any additional

compound to get them to stick to the surface. But people like it because it's, because it's

such a short track, you can get situations where like, you know, say a slower car can actually

beat out a faster car because they just get such a better launch. Is that your secret, dude? Is

I thought you were like, you were like the killer of that. I mean, you heard me and that,

that encourages end series cars, like attract killer over there, man. You're just dominating

everything. No, they, you know, I have fun over there. I've gotten a couple little, you know,

kind of surprise, surprise wins here and there, but I just go over there for fun. I got to get

out back to the track though, because that's, that's where the, the end's really going to shine.

But yeah, you know, when it comes to, when it comes to drag strips, you know, the end is definitely

not a drag car and, you know, there's, there's way better platforms for that. But, you know,

back, back to that original point is, you know, you, you definitely got to just kind of know,

like what is the event that you're going to, like what, you know, what are you there for?

Are you there to be the guy that does a burnout and potentially put some property of damage and

honestly put some, somebody at risk or, you know, are you there to just kind of be a part of the,

the culture, the community and, you know, show, show off your car and be proud of it.

But I like the variety we saw today too. Like there was some trucks that were there,

older, the older Bronco that was there. I was going to ask you, like, if you, yeah,

like what, what highlights, if you had to pick one or two cars that stood out.

I think thinking through the thing, some of the cars I've already seen before.

So I was saying like taking pictures. I first saw the car. They're pretty neat, pretty cool.

I've seen them before. So they're cool. They've been there before.

I think that red little Mustang was by the hottest Mustang in the entire parking lot.

If you ask me, it's the hottest car there really.

It was like I said, it was the fact that you guys found out with such a great exterior

and great interior. And don't get the engine bay too. And the engine bay,

like you usually don't find both. Like usually it's one or the other other people are talking

to today. They're saying that, yeah, your Mustang looks like one of the better Mustangs

that are here. I mean, obviously the Shelby is different category. That's not talking that,

but like for that class, you know, of Mustang, it's some really good shape considering it's

the V six. And it's just, you know, it's, it's, um, yeah, I mean, it looks great. You know,

we get a wash all the time and stuff. And I think that his mom bought the car wash package.

So you go unlimited car washes down the street from her house at this place.

He's rolling there. You got to dry it off, but, but they, but they do it for you,

I mean, whatever, you know, and it's unlimited. So you can go as much as you want,

which I might do that for the truck one of these days. I keep thinking about that.

Do you wash your car yourself or you take it somewhere?

I usually do it. Well, so we have one of those self-service,

kind of pressure wash, you know, spots down the street from the house. So I'll pressure wash it

there and, and maybe do like the soap brush and kind of do that. But then I bring it back home and,

and literally I'm like re-washing it. So I'll dry it, but then I'll like go back with like the,

you know, kind of the, the waterless, uh, you know, car wash solution and kind of redo it. So,

yeah, I used to have all that stuff at the other house with the Z. I would do, I was telling Jacob,

I had the, it's like a quick wash, wax, spray stuff. It's like a spray, I think McGuire's

makes, I forget who it does, but basically you spray it on, wipe it off like you do with Windex

on a beer or something like that. It's kind of the same, same concept, but it's like a washing

wax. And once when it's all done, it literally looks at the cars when washed and waxed. And so,

if it's a quick wash or quick, whatever, I used to do that a lot. Of course I'd wash it with special,

special soap I had and special mitts and all the stuff. And I had everything at the Yield house

and the sprayer and all that stuff. And I would wash like every week, you know, in the driveway,

did my thing. And then, um, you know, I had clay bar to the system. I had, I had a waxing like,

the machine, like the rotary machine that did the waxing at one of those. And I had all the stuff

that I was going nuts on this. I was cleaning it. Like it was like cleaning the car became my hobby,

literally on, on, you see when I had the Z in the garage, I would constantly be cleaning that thing

all the time. And then they even had one of those like dusting, like duster, dust buster,

whatever they call them things too. You got all the dust off the thing. It clicks a lot of dust,

but I would constantly be going over that thing all the time. I was telling Jacob today,

like maybe we'll get you some like, like, I don't know, quick wax, quick, quick cleaner,

which really doesn't come in handy if you're like going to go to like a quick cars and coffee.

Yeah. And you like just spray it down and wipe it, make it look clean. I'm sure a lot of guys use

that kind of stuff, something like that. There's lots of brands that make it. There's a car guys

or chemical brothers or whatever they are. I love the cow. Yeah. You, you, you almost had it

in both of those, but chemical guys. That's what I only, yeah. Car, car guys.

That's a knockoff one called car guys, but there's a bunch of McGuire's man. I'm a McGuire's guy,

McGuire stuff, but shout out to Griots. Like I use those guys, Griots. They, they, they got some

good stuff, but yeah. So speaking of cars, you said that you, that you classified that you are

not an EV guy because you don't drive an EV, but you're like, you're like EVs. So what is

happening in the world of EVs? This is hot take. Courageous, hot EV take. Go right ahead,

stage is yours buddy. Yeah. This, this basically is like, should be a segment of the show is like

courage is hot EV takes, but I was, I was, I was on the, on the Instagram earlier and I saw this,

actually it was on YouTube and GM, GMC, but GM themselves posted a video basically highlighting

a acceleration of, of the, you know, kind of their, their sports cars, but what they did in this,

they were actually kind of highlighting their EV, you know, side of things. And so what they did was

basically had like a lineup of some pretty crazy like super cars. They had like the Ford GT,

the Ferrari, the latest Ferrari. I think it was, I think it was, it wasn't a 488, but it was one of

the later like Ferrari models, a couple of like the Aston DVS and some other like crazy sports cars

and super cars. And they lined them all up at this one race track speedway. And it was pretty

clever how they did it because they, you know, even though you kind of knew what was going to

happen, they filmed it, they basically had a Hummer EV as the filmer car. And they started the drag

race right at the beginning of the video. And you're watching to see like, okay, who out of like

all the super cars is going to win the race. And so, you know, all of the cars take off and they

all got different launch patterns. So it's pretty cool to see like who starts out behind, but who

comes back just based on like their dynamics. And the Ferrari ends up being like the fastest out of

that bunch. But then they like put a message over the screen and they say, it's like, well, like

that's great and all, but let's see who the real winner was. And so they read, they basically

rerun the entire clip. And they show the fact that the Hummer EV was the camera car. And it beat

all of those cars in a zero to 60 dash pretty much every single time. And people in the comments,

obviously there was a mixed bag, like they're saying, yeah, you know, EVs are like, you know,

EVs are killing all of these like super cars and all of this and everything. But the biggest glaring

comment that I thought was interesting was that somebody said, hey, you noticed that they didn't

put the ZR1 in this race. And I thought it was interesting because again, this was like a GM

funded kind of advertisement. And because the Corvette is their, you know, super car in this realm,

you know, they know that it probably would have gotten beaten by the Hummer EV as well.

But they also know that people that are going to spend money on the ZR1 don't want to see an

advertisement where they're advertising and EV beating this crazy super car that they developed.

So it was kind of a double-edged sword where it's like people thought it was cool because it was

like, yeah, you got this big Hummer EV that's beating all these super cars. But they intentionally

made sure that they didn't put anything that kind of hurt their sales on the GM side with putting

the Corvette in it. And so soapbox, I just thought it was an interesting marketing play

at the end of the day. But, you know, it's the whole thing of like, you know, EVs can win an

acceleration all day. But do we really buy these super cars solely for the acceleration factor?

I personally don't think so. No, it's the same reason why I would rather have a stick shift Z

versus an automatic. The automatic, it's clearly faster. They can, even the new ones are much

faster, zero to 60. I think even mine, I think the automatic version was quicker, maybe like a

fraction of a second quicker. I don't know. It was quicker because, you know, they can shift

too quicker and things like that versus the stick shift, actually rolling the gears in the stick

shift. But I think I still have to have a stick shift. For me, it's all but the fun of it all.

It's all about the experience. It's all but the journey, not the destination. Yeah. And so it's,

I mean, if you, if you don't like road tripping, just take a flight or whatever. And if you don't

like being taken a flight to take some like wheel on the plane, knock yourself out. You don't have

to be like, then you're like really erasing yourself from the whole process.

Correct. And there are people that do that. There are people literally that don't even care.

They just get in a car, no matter what it is, and just get straight to their destination.

They might listen to music, podcasts, hopefully this one, that'd be super cool. Thank you so much.

And then they just get to their destination and they don't even care about the car,

about driving the car. If they could, they'd have a Uber driver just drive them for them,

or even a Waymo. There is a wave of people that just are like, you know, they would honestly

prefer if they could just have like a, you know, a class pass to Uber and just be Ubered everywhere.

I got tempted to do that. I know I did some Ubering and I know what it feels like because

it gets very easy. You just, you click the button and it says to be here in three minutes,

great, you know, hop in the car and then you go and you sit back. You either have a conversation

with the person or you don't have a conversation. It depends. I usually have a conversation with

my Uber driver, but it depends. Usually they're pretty friendly, but I've had some ones that were

just like to shut up and just driving and they don't even, you know, they're just like, you know,

delivering a package as far as they're concerned. They don't, you know, care, but, you know,

but I can be very tempting to just hop in and not have to think about like driving. So that's

where for me, when I got my license and driving for me, it was all about having fun and driving for

fun versus driving for work. Cause I drive at work for work. So yeah, it's like, I don't like,

I swear to God, I drive for a living, but I don't really like driving like far, like driving to

places was funny too. Cause I was talking to my brother, my brother actually is a truck driver

as well. He, uh, he, he does, he, he doesn't do as much, you know, cross country, but he does a lot

throughout California. He's in the Paso Robas area and he was telling me how like, you know,

because he's like, you know, he's behind the wheel of a truck, you know, and he's,

he's gone for, you know, weeks at a time, you know, going throughout all these, you know,

different areas and stuff. He doesn't, when he has to go somewhere on his own, like he,

he would love to just be chauffeured around. And I feel like when it's your job, like you,

you probably are, you know, you're probably maybe easier, you know, it's easier to convince you to

maybe give up that, you know, give up that, you know, task of needing to drive yourself around.

Absolutely. I remember my ex-wife drove on everywhere and she wanted to drive. I said,

go right ahead. You want to drive everywhere? She drove everywhere. Went on a road trip, rented

cars out of state. She always did the driving and that's fine for me because I can be the

pastor princess. I'm cool with that. That's fine with me. But, but I think for me, like driving

for fun is something fun I like to do. Now going back to your EV thing, talking about the EV stuff,

you know, I think it's the one party trick that EVs can do very well is acceleration

zero to 60, they're fast or quick. Other than that, I mean, in the, you know, technology and

the, oh, they got the technology and all that stuff and it's, they're quiet and blah, blah, blah,

whatever. Other than that, where's the fun in driving them? Like what, where's the fun? I mean,

now they got ones that have like mimicking like shift, like stick shifts. Yeah. Yeah.

Shout out to Hyundai. They can mimic a stick shift. Like you're actually driving an EV,

which has no actual like gears and it could actually mimic like shift changes. Like you're

shifting a car. Okay. The one thing that, the one consensus about that is that so many people

have felt that that was like, you know, it was just like another gimmick. Like it was just something

that, you know, companies trying to do this to like try and like, you know, simulate something

that's not really there. What the, the, the consensus seems to be that like people that have

spent like a long-term amount of time behind the wheel of like those like Ioniq five, you know,

Ioniq six ends is it gets to a point where if you use that feature enough, you almost forget

that like it's fake because they've just executed it so well. Is there like a pressure plate and

stuff? They give pressure on the, on the clutch or what? So it's, well, but it's more like a dual

clutch. So it's not, it's not like automatic clutch, like a GTR kind of thing. So because,

you know, there's a lot of people that prefer say like a dual clutch automatic because like you're

still, you're driving an automatic, but you, you know, you have the paddle shifters and so you have

some control over your, you know, your RPMs and things like that. And so some people prefer that

over. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, that's the thing is like, you know, with an EV,

with an EV technically, like you don't have that, but the fact that they really are indeed this to

the point where they really like, you know, people have said that they've gotten into it because

they're actually is like the same sort of resistance where say like in a, in a regular,

even a manual car where you say you rev it out and you're like close to red line and you let off

the gas, you get a lot of resistance from the engine because the engine's sort of engine breaking

you down to like a lower RPM. They simulated that in like the Ioniq 5N where it actually

feels like that. Like it's not, you know, people have actually, you know, they'll,

they'll rev it all the way out and let out, let off of the gas. And it actually like jerks you,

you know, forward as if like you did the same thing in a manual car. And so they've,

they've really like dialed the simulation in to the point where, yeah, like I said, you know,

there's journalists that have like spent like, you know, extended track, you know, usage with

the car and have said like after like the third or fourth lap, I, I felt like I was driving an

internal combustion car. Wow. Does it have like a sound that gives you too? It does, yeah. Okay.

So it, you know, it revs out like the same way that like a, you know, a rev range would go like

and when you hit red line, like it'll actually just bounce off the rev limiter like a, like,

you know, like a manual car or like a, you know, a DCT that you're hitting the rev limiter. So,

you know, it's, it's a weird thing where like, you know, some people say like,

why would you make an EV less, you know, you would, you're ruining the EV's performance by

simulating this thing that is kind of primitive. I don't think people care about the performance.

I think there's a certain point where, you know, people that are really in,

into cars as a passion like that and into driving, like they don't care about the performance. They

want the experience. And if they can deliver an experience that none of these other EV car companies

are, are, are delivering, like people are going to kind of gravitate to something like that.

Now can you switch it off? You can. Yeah.

Oh, so you can make it back into regular like, you can just go full grandma EV mode if you want.

Okay. Yeah.

That's a thing that that's kind of cool. I like, I like toys that can kind of do both things,

you know, like, for example, if there was a car that theoretically, I remember like,

other than paddle shifters, I'm saying like a car that can have like a full clutch in this,

you know, shift, shifter and all the regular manual transmission and then like flip a switch

and now it's like an automatic, put it in D and go. The closest, the closest thing we have to that,

I guess, is like the paddle shifters or whatever kind of kind of stuff. But, you know,

I'll throw one thing out there for you is I heard one company, I don't quite remember which

company is looking at it, but there was one company that was looking at a way to basically

connect a, an EV powertrain to, to a standard, like, you know, transmission

situation where like the EV motor drives a clutch in the same way that a regular combustion engine

drives a clutch and then therefore has multi speeds so that you can basically shift an EV.

There, there, they haven't figured it out yet because there's difference in like, again, you

know, an EV motor gives you instant torque. So it's weird that like, you know, you would have to

like shift gears to like get the same amount of torque in first gear as you would get in second

gear. Like they're trying to figure out how to simulate all of that. But there are companies

that are trying to figure out how to, how to basically take an internal combustion engine,

replace it with an EV engine, but then still give you this, the, the kind of connection point of

a manual transmission. We'll see if it ever happens. But why they're doing this, right?

Why is that? Because it was buying EVs.

Yes. They must buy the EV in the standard traditional EV package.

And so unless it's pure commodity based, like, you know, you got those people. Yes,

there are people who buy EVs, you know, all day. And, you know, because, you know, that's

what they want to drive. They want the one iPad on wheels. I get it. I get it. But people that are

actually enthused, enthused about cars, I won't even say like an enthusiast, like people that are

enthused about cars that just find like some interest level in cars, like to get them to,

to pay a premium for an EV. I think a lot of people are finding out that that's a lot harder

than they thought it was going to be. Like, except for the off-road space, I will say,

like, I think the off-road space, they're starting to kind of, to kind of gravitate more to the,

like Rivian, for example, like people really seem to enjoy like Rivian as a brand.

You know, people are really excited about Scout, like that, you know,

I think it's super cool. I think it looks super cool. It looks like a macho, like SUV truck.

And it looks like something like, yeah, it almost looks like a Bronco, I guess, kind of like, you

know, it's kind of like EVvo. But, you know, I mean, it is what it is. EV is a future. I get it. But

I don't know. I mean, by the time it comes out, it might be, we might forget all about it. You

know, I mean, they, yeah, they, they've mentioned that they're delayed. That's another new story

actually. They mentioned that they're delayed again on bringing something out. So I mean,

I'll put my order in next year, but what happened? Yeah. And it's going to be the same situation

of people to put orders in on Cybertrucks and had to wait four years before they actually got

anything. Like it's probably going to be the same deal with Scout, but people still are excited.

But, you know, it doesn't help that they are getting delayed over and over again.

Do they announce it like what, three years ago? Was it two years ago? They announced the Scout?

Yeah. Yeah. About that. Like two or three. Yeah.

And I saw that. I watched the Prem, the, all the videos on YouTube and I watched the little

demos and all that stuff. I told my ex-wife at the time, like, I want one of these. This looks

awesome. Yeah. You know, if I said, if I was going to get an EV, like I don't care about EVs,

but if I was going to get an EV, this would be the EV I'd get, you know, and I got super excited.

I had that range extender where you can like put gas in it and like extends it. Like that's

super cool. Check that. Why'd they all do that? It sounds like amazing tool to have, you know,

you know, they just can execute. Well, they just can't.

And they're, and they're being built here in America and they bought some big factory

they're going to work on in like Alabama or somewhere, some big factory, you know, South,

I don't know, somewhere they built some factory and they're going to work on the whole place and

get all, you know, made here in America and be his whole thing. Like, yeah, let's do that. America,

you know, let's go off. The thing, the thing looks like, like a raptor Bronco, you know,

big old tires. It looks like, you know, go over and do anything. And I'm like,

that's kind of cool. I dig it, you know, but, you know, at the end of the day,

I guess the pens that people buy and people with the money goes and I think a lot of car

companies are kind of shifting around trying to figure out where, what people are buying and

people are not buying. And so that's like sports cars, you know? And that's the big thing is,

and I'm sort of verifying this, just kind of by search, but they, but Scout, I think,

or VW owns like a, they own a portion of Scout. And one of the things that I've heard, and yes,

I'm kind of stealing this news from another podcast, but, you know, I listen to all kinds

of podcasts, but they, they talked about how, you know, VW particularly has gotten burned

multiple times and trying to get into like this EV space and having products that they put all

this development in and then not doing well in the market. And people are saying that like

partially that reason why they probably are delaying things and trying to figure out some

different, different directions for Scout particularly is because Volkswagen, the parent

group is, is kind of worried about again, just kind of putting themselves out there again and

then having another product that just tanks, you know, the, the, the VW bus, the, the bus,

like is not doing well, you know, they, you know, maybe it's the old saying goes, it's not you,

it's me, or it's not you, it's not me, it's them or actually it's you the entire time kind of thing.

Did the common denominator. Yeah.

And by the way, go back to your comment about listening to other podcasts. I wasn't aware

other podcasts exist. I thought this was the only show out there.

Oh yeah. No, yeah. I forgot about that actually. Yeah. No, this is the only one out there. So

I guess only podcast that exists in this world really. Yeah. Of the eight million that are out

there or whatever, but forget about that. Like, right, right. But hey, man, courage. This has

been so fantastic meeting you today and hanging out at Cours & Coffee and having you on the podcast

today, man. This has been great. No, man. I, I enjoy it as usual. Always great to talk cars.

And, uh, you know, like I said, for those that are listening, hopefully guys,

you guys enjoy and, and, you know, get out there and do some car things. That's my little motto.

And before you get out there and do car things, let everybody know where they can find your

YouTube channel. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for the shout out. Yeah. The Driven Dad,

you know, the Driven Dad 22 will take you right to the YouTube and the Instagram and

got a lot of cool little plans and things going on. So feel free to check it out. Yeah, man.

Courage is like a big time YouTuber here. He's like big time. I'm like small potatoes.

This guy over here is like, Mr. Big Time on YouTube. Man, he knows all the stuff over there.

He is, he is working the, working the algorithm. He's working the YouTube space like crazy.

Wait, just let, let's just tell YouTube that so that they can start pushing my content a little

bit. YouTube picks this up and knows that, that if you say YouTube like 15 times,

it's like a look at the mirror and say YouTube. Yeah. It's like spreading cougar or whatever.

The YouTube algorithm, like, like a little YouTube fairy pops up and I can help you today.

More views. I said, sure. Have a subscriber too. Sure. No problem.

I'll take that too. While you're at it. I guess while you're at it, why not? You know,

but until next time, you can head on over to coolcarswithchrist.com and we'll see you on the

very next episode.

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