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164. The Pile Up EP38: Iacocca Nuts

164. The Pile Up EP38: Iacocca Nuts

Car Krush Mar 25, 2026 71 min
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The hosts dig into Lee Iacocca’s legacy, mixing auto history with pop-culture and marketing takes. They debate how Iacocca “objectified” audiences with car-as-sex-pot analogies, then pivot to real-world shifts: rising women drivers, youth buying power, and Ford’s push for smaller, more economical V6 Mustangs. The conversation covers Iacocca’s Chrysler turnaround, government loan repayment, and his later confidence shake after the Taurus misstep—leading to Bob Lutz’s arrival. Along the way, they touch on Lamborghini, the Viper/Neon era, and the ethics of corporate decisions.

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oil and go

"But let's take a moment to pause on the future of Lea Coca and his personal review within the Industrial Arts Tool library. And take a moment to thank our sponsor. And that sponsor is oil And go. It's a new artisanal oil refinery. You go in, you get a subscription card."

They’re talking about a company that sells oil through a monthly subscription. The idea is you keep getting oil delivered so your car always has their preferred oil.

Concept

dual viscosity oils

"That's why we've created oil and go the monthly $45 subscription service. That's right. Dual viscosity oils, 10 W 30, all your favorites. Five W 30 zero W 20."

They’re saying the service offers more than one kind of oil thickness. Which one you should use depends on your car and the weather.

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5 W 30

"Dual viscosity oils, 10 W 30, all your favorites. Five W 30 zero W 20. Nothing less than that. You can't have zero weight oil."

5W-30 is another common engine oil type. The “5W” part means it tends to be easier on the engine when it’s cold.

Term

10 W 30

"That's why we've created oil and go the monthly $45 subscription service. That's right. Dual viscosity oils, 10 W 30, all your favorites. Five W 30 zero W 20. Nothing less than that."

10W-30 is the oil’s thickness rating. It’s designed to flow well when the engine is cold and still protect the engine when it’s hot.

Car

Chevrolet Camaro

"And you know what, my friend growing up, like he and his sister and brother had junior Dragsters and his dad raced the Camaro, the 67 or"

They mention a Chevrolet Camaro as a racing car. It’s a popular sporty car, and in this story it was used for racing.

Concept

junior Dragsters

"And you know what, my friend growing up, like he and his sister and brother had junior Dragsters and his dad raced the Camaro, the 67 or"

Junior Dragsters are race cars made for kids/young drivers. They’re used in drag racing so younger people can learn the sport safely.

Concept

youth boom

"We have experts who watch for every change in the customer's pulse beat. And then for a long time now, we've been aware that an unprecedented youth boom was in the making."

They’re talking about a “youth boom,” meaning more young people were entering the market. The idea is that this demographic shift affected how many new cars were sold.

Car

Ford Thunderbird

"...'s some factoids. And this is, from my Mustang or Thunderbird. And there was a quote that I liked that, that Le..."

The Ford Thunderbird is a Ford car that was built to be comfortable and stylish. It’s not mainly about racing performance; it’s more about a smooth ride and a nice interior. It’s often mentioned because it’s a well-known model from past decades.

Concept

new car sales

"Also, college graduates were 19% of the population, but made up 40 6% of the new car sales. Big market"

They’re discussing new car sales and how certain groups of people were buying more new cars. It’s about the market, not a specific car part.

Concept

NSRA

"mean, when, when the NSRA started letting in Tri Fives, they had, people had NSRA shirts that said not street rods anymore. , You know, they're trying to run a show,"

NSRA is a big street-rod organization. The hosts are talking about how the group’s rules about what counts as a street rod changed over time.

Car

Mustang

"And so they had an international marketing campaign because it was at the World's Fair. So they had like, uh, the Mustang being promoted in all these different European countries at the same time it was in America."

The Ford Mustang is a famous American sports car. They’re talking about how Ford marketed it to people who wanted a sporty look without spending as much to drive.

Concept

World's Fair

"And so they had an international marketing campaign because it was at the World's Fair. So they had like, uh, the Mustang being promoted in all these different European countries at the same time it was in America."

A World’s Fair is a huge international event where companies show off products. The speaker is saying Ford used that kind of event to market the Mustang worldwide.

Term

V six

"And the men wanted the v eights. They were like, women want like something that looks sporty, but is economy to drive. And I think cheaper too, because it was a V six."

A V6 is an engine with six cylinders. Here it’s being used as the cheaper, more fuel-efficient alternative to a V8.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"Rose EP38: So he Mustang and the Thunderbird and the Thunderbird was a competitor to the Corvette and the Thunderbird outsold the Corvette 24 to one first year."

The Corvette is Chevrolet’s famous sports car. The hosts are using it as a comparison point for how popular the Thunderbird was.

Brand

Lamborghini

"Iacocca bought Lamborghini, the Italian maker of exotic cars from the My Room family, then arranged with his friend Aro"

Lamborghini is the Italian company behind some of the most famous exotic supercars. They’re mentioning it to show Chrysler was making big, unusual investments.

Concept

jellybean cars

"Middle Americans didn't want jellybean cars. Your"

“Jellybean cars” is a nickname for cars that look too rounded and generic. The speaker is saying some people didn’t think that style would sell to regular buyers.

Car

Fords Grand

"Rose EP38: you know, I thought as I'm reading, like them selling things off again, I thought Lamborghini was gonna be right up front, but I don't know. I As soon as all the kooks bought Tauruses. Iacocca predicted Ford's Grand roll of dice would come up. Snake eyes. Middle Americans didn't want jellybean cars. Your Rose EP38: Okay. Nevermind. Okay. Anyway, when that didn't happen with the Taurus observed Chrysler executive designer Neil Walling, that's when Lee realized he was no longer qualified to pick the designs. Old man, Iacocca's done,"

The Ford Grand C-Max is a family-oriented car designed to fit several passengers and everyday cargo. It’s shaped more like a minivan-style vehicle than a sporty coupe. People talk about it when discussing practical cars that prioritize space.

Car

Ford Taurus

"As soon as all the kooks bought Tauruses. Iacocca predicted Ford's Grand roll of dice would come up. Snake eyes. Middle Americans didn't want jellybean cars. Your"

The Ford Taurus is a regular-family Ford from the 1980s. They’re talking about how Ford bet on it, and how that affected the competitive landscape.

Company

Bob Lutz

"It was around that time in June of 86, Iaccoca brought in Bob Lutz. Yeah. I'm like the, I mean, there's a lot of importance in that with a cheap car, right?"

Bob Lutz is a well-known car industry executive. The hosts are saying Chrysler brought him in as part of a big change in leadership and strategy.

Brand

BMW

"went to Opal in Germany, BMW, then offered him 10 times his opal salary to go work as a sales vp. Then he did, uh, three really good years with BMW."

BMW is a German car brand known for sporty cars. They’re mentioning it because the person they’re talking about previously worked there.

Concept

concept and people shit their pants

"What about the Kardashians have all that They needed something that was sporty. They wanted to do something with Shelby. Okay. And then they were like, Hmm. And then they like put out a, concept and people, I, was gonna say, people shit their pants. But they did better than that."

They’re talking about showing a “concept” car to get people excited before it’s actually built. The idea is that it helped create demand.

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orders for a sporty Roadster

"then they like put out a, concept and people... then they sent in thousand dollars checks made out to Lee Iacocca for orders for a sporty Roadster, big power impresses people and gets 'em excited that Chrysler might be able to build something they like for once"

They’re describing people putting money down to show they want the car. It’s a way to prove the idea is popular before the company commits fully.

Term

V 10

"so they were working on a really big truck motor at the time, a V 10. And they were like, well, why don't we just put that in there and then it'll be like a Shelby, and then let's do something that's cool."

A V10 is a bigger engine with ten cylinders. They’re saying the idea was to use a powerful V10 so the roadster would feel exciting.

Brand

Iacocca

"yeah, I mean he was really in favor in the political circles and then like everybody, shit on him, it was like Dukakis and all these people saying that, yeah, we thought he was a hero. And it turned out he was a fake kind of."

Iacocca was a top executive at Chrysler. The discussion is about what he did for the company and how people judge his legacy.

Concept

government loan paid off within seven years

"And he convinced the government to do like something, billion dollars, but he had turned Chrysler around so much after getting that money that he paid off the loan within seven years."

They’re saying Chrysler got government money and then paid it back fairly quickly. The implication is that the company’s changes worked enough to become financially healthy again.

Car

Chrysler New Chrysler

"...d. Yeah. It's Iacocca and he is talking about the new Chrysler and then like, there's a, a Japanese draftsman in..."

The Chrysler New Yorker is a large, comfortable car that was meant to feel more upscale than a basic family sedan. It was designed for people who wanted a smooth ride and a nicer interior. It’s often mentioned in discussions about Chrysler’s history and major model changes.

Car

Dodge Viper

"And they were like, they're trying to build the Viper and get into like the Dodge Neon. Like, they're like, we need new cars. We need 'em now we, we have to sell something cool."

The Dodge Viper is a super-sporty, high-performance car. They’re bringing it up as the kind of car people would be excited about—like a flagship to make the brand look cool.

Concept

halo car strategy

"they fi I think they finally get to like turn signal. And they were like, they're trying to build the Viper and get into like the Dodge Neon. Like, they're like, we need new cars. We need 'em now we, we have to sell something cool."

A halo car is the “cool” car that makes people want to look at the brand. Meanwhile, you still need regular cars that sell every day to keep the company financially healthy.

Car

Dodge Neon

"And they were like, they're trying to build the Viper and get into like the Dodge Neon. Like, they're like, we need new cars. We need 'em now we, we have to sell something cool."

The Dodge Neon is a small, everyday car model. The point is that Chrysler/Dodge needed popular, affordable cars to sell while they tried to build bigger, cooler projects too.

Car

Dodge Caravan

"Rose EP38: Caravan's a win in there Emily EP38: Speaking of stuff that people get in trouble for he was around for the Pinto, right?"

The Dodge Caravan is a family minivan. They’re using it as an example of the kind of practical, everyday vehicle people might not see as “cool,” but that sells in volume.

Brand

Lutz guy

"I don't know what the Lutz guy did besides drive the Jeep through the glass. Yeah. And whatever else you've told me during this episode,"

The “Lutz guy” is Bob Lutz, an auto industry leader known for being outspoken and marketing-focused. They’re using a wild story to show how he was seen as a hype-man for car brands.

Car

Jeep

"I don't know what the Lutz guy did besides drive the Jeep through the glass. Yeah. And whatever else you've told me during this episode,"

Jeep is a car brand known for rugged, off-road vehicles. They’re referencing a dramatic stunt to make a point about how someone marketed or promoted the company.

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