Exploring the intersection of classic car repairs and cutting-edge technology, this episode dives into the challenges of restoring a 1970 Firebird and the potential of 3D printing in automotive manufacturing. Listeners hear from a caller grappling with fuel delivery issues in his classic car, prompting discussions on troubleshooting techniques and the importance of voltage checks. The hosts also discuss a revolutionary 3D printed supercar, the Zinger 21, highlighting how AI and 3D printing could reshape vehicle production. This episode balances practical advice with intriguing insights into the future of automotive design.
1970 Firebird Esprit loads up with fuel only on highway 3D Printed Cars Ram Promaster electrical issues Should I delete my Honda VCM system? My car vibrates could it be the Flex Pipe? 19 GMC Yukon are the struts bad? 1949 Chevy Skyli9ne throttle woes 21 Traverse, are all back -up cams bad?
"...all of a sudden it started loading up And dumping a lot of gas into the system..."
'Loading up' means the engine is getting too much fuel, which can cause it to run poorly. It's like when you eat too much and feel sick; the engine can't work right if it has too much fuel.
In automotive terms, 'loading up' typically refers to an engine running too rich, meaning it is receiving too much fuel compared to air. This can lead to poor performance and increased emissions.
"...solutely. We got to know a little more about this firebird in general So you you keep going"
The Pontiac Firebird is a powerful car that was made in the U.S. for several decades, known for its cool looks and speed. It became very popular, especially for people who love fast cars.
The Pontiac Firebird is a classic American muscle car that was produced from 1967 until 2002. Known for its performance and distinctive styling, the Firebird became an icon of the muscle car era, particularly with its high-performance variants like the Trans Am. Its popularity and cultural significance make it a frequent topic of discussion among car enthusiasts.
"Okay, I rebuilt a little two barrel carburetor on it that didn't help so I had another one"
A carburetor is a part of an engine that helps mix air and fuel together so the engine can run properly. It's important for making sure the engine gets the right amount of fuel to work well.
A carburetor is a device that mixes air with a fine spray of liquid fuel in internal combustion engines. It plays a crucial role in the engine's performance by ensuring the right fuel-air mixture for combustion.
"Then I put the original distributor back on it the one with the points"
A distributor with points is an older part of the engine that helps create sparks to make it run. It uses simple mechanical parts that need regular checking to work well.
A distributor with points is an older type of ignition system that uses mechanical points to open and close the electrical circuit, creating the spark needed for combustion. While reliable, they require more maintenance compared to electronic systems.
"It's very hard to find someone that works in carburetors these days are carbureted cars"
Carbureted cars are older vehicles that use a part called a carburetor to mix fuel and air for the engine. Nowadays, most cars use a different system called fuel injection, which is more efficient.
Carbureted cars are vehicles that use carburetors for fuel delivery instead of modern fuel injection systems. While they were common in older vehicles, they are less prevalent today due to advancements in fuel efficiency and emissions control.
"...did a compression check while they were out and all cylinders are good. Turned it on and just like before it ran idle smoothly..."
A compression check is a way to see if your engine is working properly. It checks how much pressure is in each cylinder, which can tell you if there are problems inside the engine.
A compression check is a diagnostic test used to measure the pressure in the engine's cylinders. It helps determine the health of the engine by indicating if there are any issues with the piston rings, valves, or head gasket.
"So I checked the pump because it wasn't getting gas. So okay. I said, all right. It's the fuel pump. Ordered a fuel pump. I went on vacation. I came home put the fuel pump on."
The fuel pump helps deliver gasoline from the tank to the engine. If it stops working, the car may not start or run properly.
A fuel pump is a critical component in a vehicle's fuel system that moves fuel from the tank to the engine. If the fuel pump fails, the engine may not receive the necessary fuel to operate, leading to performance issues or a complete failure to start.
"Okay, let's find out what the vacuum is make sure we've got enough vacuum to run that that engine
What motor is it by the way?"
Vacuum in a car engine is the space where air pressure is lower than the outside air. It's important for the engine to work properly and mix fuel with air.
In automotive terms, vacuum refers to the negative pressure created in the intake manifold of an engine, which is essential for proper fuel and air mixture and overall engine performance.
Car
Chevrolet 350
"350 okay, what year is it 70 70 1970"
The Chevrolet 350 is a type of engine that is commonly used in many cars and trucks. It's known for being powerful and reliable, especially in vehicles from the 1970s.
The Chevrolet 350 is a small-block V8 engine produced by Chevrolet, known for its versatility and performance in various applications, including cars and trucks. The 1970 model year is significant as it represents a time of high performance in American muscle cars.
"And that's got you just got a dual exhaust on that right with just two mufflers
Correct. Yep"
Dual exhaust means that the car has two pipes that let out the exhaust gases instead of just one. This can help the engine run better and make the car sound louder and sportier.
A dual exhaust system uses two separate exhaust pipes to expel gases from the engine, which can improve performance and provide a more aggressive sound compared to a single exhaust system.
"No, actually we ran it into one muffler into we wanted a I had an original muffler
that dad had bought years ago. I mean this thing's that part for like 20 25 years"
A muffler is a part of the car that helps make the engine noise quieter. It works by controlling the sound of the exhaust gases that come out of the car.
A muffler is a component of the exhaust system that reduces noise produced by the engine's exhaust gases. It helps to maintain a quieter cabin and can also affect the vehicle's performance and sound.
"Yeah, I was running the normal range about what 20"
Fuel pressure is how hard the fuel is pushed through the engine. If it's too low or too high, the engine might not run well.
Fuel pressure refers to the pressure of the fuel in the fuel system, which is crucial for proper engine operation. It ensures that the fuel is delivered to the engine at the correct rate for combustion.
The Range Rover is a high-end SUV that can handle rough terrain while providing a comfortable ride. It's known for its luxury features and strong performance.
The Range Rover is a luxury SUV known for its off-road capabilities and comfort. It has been a popular choice among enthusiasts and those looking for a versatile vehicle.
"...it was a voltage issue. It wasn't getting enough voltage at that distributor in the coil..."
A voltage issue means there's a problem with the electrical power going to a part of the car. If a part doesn't get enough power, it might not work right, which can cause the car to run poorly.
A voltage issue refers to a problem with the electrical supply in a vehicle, which can affect various components, including the ignition system. In this context, it indicates that the ignition system wasn't receiving the necessary voltage to function properly, leading to performance issues.
"...if you don't have enough voltage there because you have an ignition switch..."
The ignition switch is what you turn to start the car. If it's broken or worn out, it might not send enough power to the parts that help the car start, which can cause problems.
The ignition switch is a key component in a vehicle's electrical system that controls the power to the ignition system. If it's worn out, it can lead to insufficient voltage reaching the ignition components, causing starting or running issues.
"...or a ballast resistor built into that wire, which I believe that one did with the points..."
A ballast resistor is a part that helps control the amount of electricity going to the ignition system. It makes sure the system doesn't get too much power, which can help prevent damage.
A ballast resistor is a component used in some ignition systems to limit the current and provide a stable voltage to the ignition coil. It helps protect the ignition system from excessive current that can cause damage.
A 400 engine is a bigger type of car engine that is 400 cubic inches in size. It's usually more powerful than smaller engines like the 350.
The 400 engine is a larger engine option (400 cubic inches) that was available in some muscle cars, providing more power compared to smaller engines like the 350. It was often associated with higher performance models.
"...you could buy a standard 350 car with no spoiler on the back..."
A 350 engine is a type of car engine that is 350 cubic inches in size. It's often used in muscle cars and is known for being powerful.
The 350 engine refers to a specific engine size (350 cubic inches) commonly used in various American muscle cars, including the Pontiac Firebird. It is known for providing a good balance of power and efficiency.
"Did they make an esprit in 1970? And we had to think about it for a little bit."
The Lotus Esprit is a type of sports car that was made by a company called Lotus. It became famous for its unique design and appeared in movies.
The Lotus Esprit is a sports car that was produced by Lotus Cars from 1976 to 2004. It is known for its distinctive wedge shape and was popularized in films like 'The Spy Who Loved Me.'
Carbon fiber is a material that's very strong but also very light. It's often used in sports cars to help them go faster and use less fuel because it doesn't add much weight.
Carbon fiber is a lightweight and strong material commonly used in high-performance vehicles. It provides excellent rigidity and strength while being much lighter than traditional metals, contributing to improved performance and fuel efficiency.
"...or 3d printed AI content generated vehicle..."
3D printing is a way to make objects by stacking layers of material, like plastic or metal, based on a computer design. It's used in cars to create parts that are lighter and can be made faster than traditional methods.
3D printing is a manufacturing process that creates three-dimensional objects by layering materials based on digital models. In the automotive industry, it's used to produce parts quickly and efficiently, often allowing for complex designs that traditional methods can't achieve.
The BCM is like a computer in your car that helps control things like the lights and locks. If it's not working properly, it can cause various electrical issues.
BCM stands for Body Control Module, which is an electronic component in vehicles that controls various functions such as lighting, windows, and security systems. It plays a crucial role in managing the electrical systems of a car.
"...I had a dual alternator that he said that that was shot..."
A dual alternator means there are two parts in the car that make electricity. This is useful for cars that need a lot of power for things like lights and other electronics.
A dual alternator system uses two alternators to generate electrical power for the vehicle. This setup is often used in vehicles that require a lot of electrical power, such as those with additional accessories or equipment.
"...working on that 99 Mercedes ml 320. Okay. It's almost identical uses the same brand of electronic components..."
The Mercedes-Benz ML320 is a luxury SUV from 1999. It's known for being comfortable and having good off-road abilities, making it a popular choice for families.
The Mercedes-Benz ML320 is a luxury midsize SUV that was part of the first generation of the M-Class, known for its blend of comfort, off-road capability, and advanced technology for its time.
"...h tr 7 and I finally learned how to fix those the DeLorean They were awful and then came along the promeste..."
The DeLorean DMC-12 is a unique car from the 1980s that has shiny metal doors that open upwards. It's famous for being in the 'Back to the Future' movies, but it wasn't very reliable and had a lot of problems when it was made.
The DeLorean DMC-12 is a sports car that was produced by the DeLorean Motor Company in the early 1980s. It is best known for its distinctive stainless steel body and gullwing doors, as well as its iconic status in popular culture, particularly due to its role in the 'Back to the Future' movie franchise. Despite its futuristic design, the DeLorean faced numerous production and quality issues, making it a topic of discussion among car enthusiasts.
"...the triumph tr 7 and I finally learned how to fix those the DeLorean..."
The Triumph TR7 is a sporty car made in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It has a unique triangular shape and was aimed at younger drivers.
The Triumph TR7 is a sports car produced by the British automaker Triumph from 1975 to 1981. It is known for its distinctive wedge shape and was designed to appeal to a younger audience.
"...the DeLorean They were awful and then came along the promester..."
The DeLorean is a unique car from the early 1980s, famous for its shiny metal body and doors that open upwards. It became really popular because of a movie called 'Back to the Future.'
The DeLorean is a sports car manufactured by the DeLorean Motor Company from 1981 to 1983. It is best known for its distinctive stainless steel body and gull-wing doors, and it gained fame from its appearance in the 'Back to the Future' films.
"...lock here as you've got it If you've got it at a promaster pro That's fixed a lot of these that's the best ..."
The Ram ProMaster is a big van that businesses use to transport goods or tools. It's designed to be easy to load and drive, making it a favorite for people who need a reliable work vehicle.
The Ram ProMaster is a versatile commercial van designed for businesses and tradespeople, offering a spacious cargo area and various configurations to suit different needs. Its front-wheel-drive layout and low floor make it easy to load and unload, while its efficient engine options provide good fuel economy for a vehicle of its size. The ProMaster is often discussed for its practicality and utility in the commercial vehicle market.
"...we were talking to somebody about the catalytic converter she had the problem with that so she couldn't use her remote start..."
The catalytic converter is a part of your car that helps clean up the exhaust gases before they leave the vehicle. It makes the car less polluting and helps it pass emissions tests.
A catalytic converter is an essential component of a vehicle's exhaust system that reduces harmful emissions by converting toxic gases into less harmful substances before they exit the exhaust system. It plays a crucial role in meeting environmental regulations and improving air quality.
"As long as you keep the oil changed in these vehicles, I don't foresee that as a problem and I"
An oil change is when you replace the old oil in your car's engine with new oil. This helps keep the engine running smoothly and prevents damage.
An oil change is the process of replacing old oil in an engine with fresh oil to ensure proper lubrication and functioning. Regular oil changes are crucial for maintaining engine health and longevity.
Honda is a car brand that makes many different models. They are known for making cars that last a long time and are easy to take care of.
Honda is a well-known automotive manufacturer recognized for producing reliable and efficient vehicles. They have a reputation for longevity and low maintenance costs, making them popular among drivers.
"But it works, you know, it's a synthetic oil. It's factory 020 is what they call for and it's fine"
Synthetic oil is a special kind of oil for cars that helps the engine run better and last longer. It's made from man-made materials instead of just natural oil, which makes it work more effectively.
Synthetic oil is a type of motor oil made from chemical compounds that provide better performance and protection compared to conventional oils. It offers advantages like improved engine cleanliness, better temperature stability, and longer oil change intervals.
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Help you tune a piano. We can help Chris can do that. I can help you tune a car, but we can't help you
Tune a fish exactly John in indiana. You're on the under the hood show. What can we do for you?
I've got a
1970 fiber to spree
And it was running fine perfect, you know frame off restoration been in the family since 1976 and all of a sudden it started
loading up
And dumping a lot of gas into the system
So I if you got a minute, I'll tell you what I've done to this thing
I I think we're going to build we're we're we're we are interested. Yes
Sure
Okay, so you want me to go ahead and oh, yeah, absolutely. We got to know a little more about this firebird in general
So you you keep going
Okay, I rebuilt a little two barrel carburetor on it that didn't help so I had another one
Rebuilt it plopped it on did the same thing
So now I said, all right, so I checked the vacuum the timing
Made sure it was top dead center number one piston. So, you know the timing chain or something hadn't jumped everything was perfect
I had an electronic distributor on it
So I had another one swapped out the guts that didn't help either
Then I put the original distributor back on it the one with the points
Again, nothing
So I bought a new carburetor saying maybe I screwed up all the new rebuilt professionally rebuilt carburetor and that changed nothing either
the strangest thing is it idles perfectly and
I even took an old mechanic in town
It's very hard to find someone that works in carburetors these days are carbureted cars
And he took and he revved it did exactly the same thing and he power brake didn't start boiling the tires
No loss of power loading up. We took it back out in the road
It just loses power went under load and blows smoke like smoke
He was the throttle but couldn't look at it for four weeks. He is completely covered up
So he said go change the plugs. I did wires
Change them to just for the heck of it did a compression check while they were out and all cylinders are good
Turned it on and just like before it ran idle smoothly and all of a sudden it just died sitting there now. I'm freaking out
So a friend of mine happened by me says well
Have you checked your fuel pump and I kind of looked at him like he was stupid
I said it was just running dude. He said what is it getting gas now?
So I checked the pump because it wasn't getting gas. So okay. I said, all right. It's the fuel pump
Ordered a fuel pump. I went on vacation. I came home put the fuel pump on
And it did exactly the same thing. So the thing I decided then to start from stem to stern
I dropped the tank blew out the lines
And put it all back together and it does exactly the same thing
So I have no clue and I'm hoping you all might know something different
Well that was a lot, huh? Yeah, we got to do we got to do some basic checks
We need to get a vacuum gauge and look and see what the vacuum is of that engine
It's still got a stock cam in it for a 70
It's got a slightly hot cam in it. Okay, what that put it in years ago
Okay, let's find out what the vacuum is make sure we've got enough vacuum to run that that engine
What motor is it by the way?
350 okay, what year is it 70 70 1970
So
And that's got you just got a dual exhaust on that right with just two mufflers
Correct. Yep
No, actually we ran it into one muffler into we wanted a I had an original muffler
That dad had bought years ago. I mean this thing's that part for like 20 25 years
so uh
You got the one over the axle in the back that sits sideways with the two pipes coming out of it
Yeah, okay, got you. I just yeah, sir. All right. So you got don't we don't have to worry about the exhaust
Unless there's a you know a big rat stuck in there or something, but um, that'd be right or potato. Yeah, exactly
Or a banana banana in the tailpipe. Well, he is in california, right? Yeah, you never know who's yeah, right?
He might be run around
Yeah, so exhaust good check your vacuum see what you got there
That fuel pressure you got a new pump running in the normal
Yeah, I was running the normal range about what 20
That's a lot of inches of vacuum. Yeah, if you're if you've got over 13 you should be fine for that
Um, especially with a k.m. In there
Um, I would also check your voltage at your distributor find out what check the positive side of the coil coming in
And see what the voltage is see if you have battery voltage there while the car is running because if you have low voltage
it's it's gonna pop and bang and and
Miss fire and not go
Um, and in fact, I ran into that with Shannon's
Range Rover
And we're not sure because he hasn't talked to him
Did you get to talk to him and ask him about the failure of that thing when you went to Minneapolis?
No, okay
Because he was gonna ask and find out if that's why he originally sold it because he we knew something was going on
He got tired of work completely did a beautiful. It looks like a frame off restoration type thing on it
But some reason he sold it and we believe it may have been because of this problem because it was
Just had some issues
And it was a voltage issue
It wasn't getting enough voltage at that distributor in the coil
And was causing it to run and it was it was a simple mistake
But it was it was such a simple mistake that we were looking for something more serious
It just looked right over the top of it and there it was
So if you don't have enough voltage there because you have a an ignition switch
It's worn out or a ballast resistor built into that wire, which I believe that one did with the points
It could be
Failed it could have high resistance in it and given you
Eight volts there and that won't be enough to run it at higher p.m
And it would
Fall on its face because you wouldn't have enough spark
But you'd have plenty of fuel and it would suck that fuel in there and it wouldn't burn it and it would
It would load up
I would I would look at those things
Okay, and it's possible too that you know that so the carburetor is usually
If they work at because it i'm thinking voltage issues because at at idle if it works good
A bad carburetor usually runs worse at idle
Because it it's loading up if it's loading up above at a higher rpm
That's just not normal because it wants the extra fuel at the higher rpm, but if it doesn't have enough spark to go
It's really not gonna go
so does this uh, okay, does this firebird is pre have the the
Dual snorkel snorkel 400 hood option on it
No, no that it did not come with the 400 engine. So it's just a standard old it was
Dad bought it for my mom. Okay back in 1976 and you could buy that hood option
Really, so you could buy a standard 350 car with no spoiler on the back
And a 400 hood and still have a 350 engine it just would say 350 on the side of the hood
Instead of 400 on the hood
Um, but i'm sure this one doesn't have a tail on it either, right?
Uh, you tell about the spoiler. Yeah, no, okay. Yeah, those were kind of cool
On the on the newer ones
I I always like that spoiler like in the the 78 77 and newer
But you know some of those older ones that didn't have a tail on them actually had a they just had a different look to them
The way they kind of cut off it was kind of neat with the smaller
Lights that they had in the 70s when producer dug came in and said that john had a 70 firebird a spree
And he didn't he didn't type a spree on the on the board here because he just wasn't sure how to spell it
Maybe or something, but
Well, you said something like that. Thanks a lot. Yeah, no, but just he goes a spree spirit. What was it?
but uh
Russ and I both looked at each other and said
Did they make an esprit in 1970?
And we had to think about it for a little bit
I I didn't think they started making those until like 76 or something like that. It was a that was something
I i've got a fair amount of firebird and trans am knowledge, but I did I did not
I did not know that so I know somebody who had a a silver
70
firebird
And and i'm trying to picture it really hard right now because it did not say formula down the side of it
It may have been the esprit. It had a 400 in it
With the 400 hood on it, but it had no tail on it. It was just the standard
The biggest thing I had was it had 15 inch wheels on it, which was like, oh, that's huge back then
You know most of them were or be a 14
But I I think that could have been an esprit
All right, this is a berkeley one classic for sure our partner at berkeley one classic
Uh
Get your agreed value insurance and take care of that thing
Um, I think the color of this car is white white
Russ you're going with the only color of the one I can picture in my head
And that was the one she had and it would be silver like a grayish silver. I'm going gold
I cannot believe after the last hour's performance that nobody said red. Oh my gosh, you know what and I just looked them up on the internet
And I told you the colors they were but okay, I'll say silver john. What color what color is your car?
Keyline green even more rare. Mm-hmm
And do you happen to know the production numbers on that on that car by chance?
No, I do not no berkeley one classic people want to buy their two
Yeah, they're two different kinds of people one of them looks i'd say that's the ugliest color i've ever seen
You know and I'll just say oh man, that's the most beautiful color
I've ever seen never anything in between for whatever reason so and it doesn't have a a vinyl top
Because I'm working here and it does
Yep. Yep. Does it have an eight track player?
Uh, no
It just had the standard old radio. I still have the radio, but I put something more high performance in it. Sure
Sure, john. Thanks very much for the call that is uh
That sounds fun. Good luck. Russ is showing us a picture on his phone or what though? Hey, we got to get him a hoodie or yes
Yeah, yeah, we'll get him
Stay right there, john
Get him set up with a hoodie from berkeley one classics eight six six five nine four four one five
Oh, that's the number to reach is here at the end of the hood show
What has caught your attention in the automotive world?
Well a friend of mine sent me a facebook link and I had looked at it twice because I was intrigued
And it was a production company out in los angeles
that has made a car
That looks like a super car
I believe it's called the zinger 21. I looked at it. It's on the cover of car and driver this month and it is a completely
well carbon or
3d printed
AI content generated vehicle
350 parts
That were AI masterminded and three and 3d printed on the vehicle car and driver this yeah
I didn't know it was on the front of driver, but there was someone doing a little reel on it on social media
and
The thing that kind of caught my attention was
Not that they built it
But they've already built 80 of them
Oh
And they've they the the comments were that
This vehicle might be the first breakthrough
on
The way production is done
differently
Than it has in the past the capacity is there to do some things, but the technology continues to evolve with
with AI, but the way cars are designed
And the way that cars are manufactured
Will be dramatically changed is what people are talking about because of the AI
engineering
And the speed at which they can bring things to concept
And it's 3d printed its instant and 3d printing they can they can create
And this was I think a lot of this was aluminum 3d printing that they were doing
And so it was very intriguing. I was going to look up more about it, but I didn't I didn't have time, but
Um, yeah, john had said that to johnny had sent that to me and I was like this is uh
This is definitely intriguing. Imagine a world not too far down the road
Where you walk in our front door to the counter and say I'd like a fender for a 1976 firebird
And they say all right, sir. We'll we'll print you one up. We'll have it in uh in a 30 minutes
you want to wait and
the 3d printer uses the AI and
prints one out of it probably be aluminum instead of steel, but here's your brand new fender
Any part it doesn't have to be obsolete anymore or
An ignition coil whatever it is it prints the housing and spins the wire there you go and then all that's that
scrap from the aluminum
Goes back in the bin and it recycles it and is used for the next
that technology
So many technologies with cars that we thought was
Never going to happen
Is here today, but that kind of stuff could be here not too far down the road
Well, and they do that on interior parts. Yeah, you can oh, there's so much more available now that was not I was
Shocked I get catalogs for like for my truck and I was like
That stuff wasn't available on on older ones
But now the older ones are available interesting to see how the how the whole manufacturing
Patent copyright issues come into play as this all develops
But I look at what rust does right now it used to be
That you would own a scanner and you'd have to buy this subscription and this subscription and this subscription
And now you pay a la carte
to the manufacturer
per vehicle
So I could see a model where yeah, you can print my fender
But it's going to cost you this much for the license and then yeah print print away
And so I mean there's going to be you look at
apple iTunes
You know the the the record industry had to
Adjust adjust on how that worked
We used to buy a record for 16 bucks
Then we had to buy songs for a dollar a piece not too many years ago and now we spend
What is it 16 dollars a month they raise it every six months. It seems like and then we get unlimited
And we just and I sit there when I do that unlimited thing. I'm like, okay unlimited. I got a family plan
How do they make money off of this?
Oh, they do because we never shut off the artists. Yeah, they don't yeah, that's that one's just that's why they're all back on tour
Yeah, yeah, that's why they they don't make it
The the company the the apple and Spotify are doing okay
Yeah, but that is record companies. They're doing pretty good. It's a crazy deal. Yeah, you watch that
I'm sure way closer than I do, but there's just certain things like that
I think you'll just there'll be models that will change over time here that will start to exempt
Example being what we've seen in some of those other spaces
8665944150 let's go to california and talk to josh. You're on the end of the hood show josh. What can we do for you?
Hey, yeah, um, so I have a ram pro master
uh
cargo van and I had it totally
Tripped out and made into like a little house and I traveled around the country for a few years
And the van was been fine until just a bit ago
I had all kinds of electrical issues where
All the gauges would start to go back and forth the start beeping saying the airbags are off the doors are open
All the stuff was going on
Um, and I couldn't figure it out. So I took it into a mechanic and they tried a bunch of different things
they tried to do the bcm the
Uh, the other thing the computer
Um, I had a dual alternator that he said that that was shot
So he replaced that he thought that there might have been some of like aftermarket wiring that might have gotten done
And we've done all kinds of stuff and the issue's still there
And I don't know if you guys had any knowledge or thought about kind of what it could be
What year is the pro master just just to get some context for our listeners? It doesn't matter a ton, but
Here it's a it's a 2020 it's the 159 inch wheelbase and is this a gas motor or diesel?
gas
Welcome to the world of owning a pro master
Yes, yes, it's been fine for like five years and then all of a sudden this is and the like the
The driving of the van like the
That is still fine like that. None of that has been it's just been the electrical issue that just keeps on beeping when I'm driving
Yeah, they camera doesn't work and like all that stuff. They can be a nightmare. There's
A lot of those that the dealers some certain dealers won't work on them unless they're under warranty
Because they don't have to because of this problem
A lot of aftermarket shops like us. We don't work on them because they're just they
They get crazy like this and then it's we own one
And we worked on that thing for I think six months eight months to finally get it going
And yeah, thankfully it's working and just let it keep working until I hope it burns to the ground one day with nobody in it
So we don't have to fix it if something weird electrical goes on again
because
Right, it was an absolute we had two of the best people I know
working on it and
It took forever to take and we were yeah
Yeah, it's it's been it's been like four or five months that's been in this in this guy's shop and and he's a pro master
And and can I cargo van pro master pro?
How much pro yeah, how much money have you spent to not fix the problem so far for what you just said?
It sounds like a few thousand dollars and he's got a lot of money in this van
How much yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I have I mean the the van like it was
Totally made into a house so like I have a bunch of money in there
But like just the the fixes from the mechanic is about five thousand from what we've what we've done and you still have a problem
Yes, it's the same thing like he was doing stuff
He removed some stuff and then the van wouldn't start at all and then he got the van starting again
And then the same issue is happening and he's frustrated and stumped and doesn't know what to kind of do next and
either do I and
I've never I've looked at all the different forms
I haven't seen really anything that is said about kind of the gauges flying back and forth
Then I get all the pain and and all that stuff
so Shannon
This thing is like working on that 99 Mercedes ml 320. Okay. It's almost identical uses the same brand of
Electronic components the same type of modules just newer
So you remember how that thing? Oh, yeah, where do we even look?
And how do you figure it out? I had a gateway to the gateway. Yeah, exactly. And this one has the same thing. So it's
it just
yeah, it's
This is crazy. I mean I've I've seen certain vehicles throughout my lifetime. Oh, they never did bring me that car
The fiat x19. Oh, it's sitting out on the hillside over here. Yeah, they said they're gonna bring it. So
That's one that had
Electrical crazy gremlins the triumph tr 7 and I finally learned how to fix those the DeLorean
They were awful and then came along the promester
Yuck, what do we tell him?
Good luck
I mean, I I don't I don't have any you've got it
I guess as we look at the clock here as you've got it
If you've got it at a promaster pro
That's fixed a lot of these that's the best place as he ran as he ran across one with crazy electrical problems like this before
Not this type of issue
Lots of different crazy. I would just tell him to just maybe go have a beer push reset
Start from scratch check the wiring diagrams and truthfully look for look for pinched wires or
Where screws have been ran in for the aftermarket housing addition of the van
Look for something that's not factory if his brain is is exhausted his resources
He's got to go back to scratch and look at the data make sure all the voltages and all the modules match
It'll say it'll say ignition voltage and the running voltage make sure they all match because if you got one module that has
Voltage that's one volt or a half volt off from the rest
That could be your problem. Josh. Thanks very much for the call and we apologize
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That's that was the first part universal. Did you say that?
Ah, I missed it. We could say it again. It goes back to our discussion at the break universal technical institute
That wasn't uh, it wasn't paying any attention to you at all because I got my part out and then I was like
Do you think uh, how long since we brought it up a little bit ago?
We talked about cnc and how
They're gonna be the music factor working on ai any minute down there at uti probably, huh?
Oh, yeah, I guarantee you they're doing it right now
And figure out I did uh, I had a fact when you talked about spotify and apple music
Oh, yeah, it was okay. What's the fact? There's here's a here's a
comparison
If you buy this is from a friend of mine in the music industry
If you buy if you go to a bar somewhere and see an artist that you like
If you buy a ten dollar cd from them
That is the equivalent of going to spotify
And listening to that album in its total the whole album
3,760 times wow, so if you wow
If you go to see an artist and you like them and they have cds for sale
Buy the cd even if you can't listen to cds and you want to support them don't go
You can then go to those but that was uh, and that's from a
A music industry person and performance. So that's why concert tickets are 176 dollars. Maybe yeah
And why they they yeah exactly wow earlier we were talking to somebody about the catalytic converter
She had the problem with that so she couldn't use her remote start and we had a listener right in and on our
Chat thing I said, uh, you know, well, can't you get a cheap remote start?
Well the cheap remote start
Still gonna cost you
A little bit, you know by the time you get the bypass and everything let's say at least 300 bucks
so
You might just go with looking to those used converter options that are of some of them are available
But I like the way they think because that's that's an option
You can always bypass
A factory remote start with an aftermarket and they're going to have a longer range than the than the factory one too
For sure you get a feedback remote. You can actually see what's going on. I like my feedback remotes
you know, they're they're
They're pretty cool because then you can see when it starts and for me it works good when I'm
Like in the mall or in a anywhere in a building and I just can't see the car right here
I can't see the car like at work at the end of the day. We got a number of our staff
They come into my office and they they set by the window to start their car
And they got to be able to visually see if the tail lights come on or not
And so the feedback remotes are great
So you can get that confirmation that everything worked like it was supposed to speaking of the chat
Uh, what are your thoughts? This comes from strat bear
What are your thoughts on vcm and a 23 ridge line? Should I install a vcm stopper?
I'd like to keep this vehicle for as long as possible smooth but concerned about long term wear
As long as you keep the oil changed in these vehicles, I don't
foresee that as a problem and I
Go by that off of what I see with our customers and I have some customers that are
10,000 mile a year customers and I have other ones that are
Almost 20,000 mile a month customers the ones I change the oil while they're more than that sometimes I change the oil on them once a week at 6000 miles
On these Hondas and they're not having problems
We put
One engine in out of all their vehicles that I can remember
And it it was well over 400,000 when we put one in it
I don't think we put any transmissions in them, but they're maintained
Now they are getting more miles on them and they're always on the highway only that's why we go with a 6000 mile oil change
But it works, you know, it's a synthetic oil. It's factory 020 is what they call for and it's fine
We are not seeing those problems. I have seen problems with those
vcm's
on some cars
And a lot of them were cars that were not maintained and I mean these are cars that are putting
They're putting 3000 miles on in three months and they've gone 9 000 miles on the oil change
Folks that's no good. That's just
That's too long. I get cars in
Our average oil change that's over, you know, like let's say we get
You know 10 cars and they're all done at three months 3000
But out of the cars that are pushing it and they're like, oh
Yours is over the 3000
The average on that is about 12 000 miles
Over
So we're yeah, so
15 000 miles on oil change and they're doing it regularly. Yeah, I didn't have time and what okay. Well
That's up to you. Will the car work?
Maybe you might get four or five years out of it, but then when it fails
You could have changed the oil more often, but there is a point too where you got to think
Do what is it?
Is it cheaper to just put an engine in it or to change the oil?
I'm gonna if it's costing me in some cars
It's 120 bucks in oil change. So if I change the oil
I say it's four times a year and I went eight years and I had to put an engine in it. Okay
But just the time you're saving by not having to tear it down and do that engine repair
That's worth something too
I would just say maintain it as far as this goes. I I wouldn't disable it. You can if you want
I don't think it's going to make a huge difference as long as you're I don't think so
I don't think it's going to change anything
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At the end of the hood show. Let's talk to gunner. You're on the end of the hood show gunner. What can we do for you?
Well, I got a
element that's got
301,000 miles on it
And I changed all the motor mounts because I had some vibration
I didn't like and after changing the the
The motor mounts I end up with a vibration that
When it's just been gear out of stop sign or something
I pick up this vibration. It's just abnormal is driving me crazy
And I don't know if there's something internal that's going on or there's some kind of a
Balancer or something that needs changing in that motor. I have no idea, but I'm just looking for ideas
Does it go away once you get moving
Once I'm moving it's it's gone and then
You know, if I put it in neutral, it's gone right away. It's not like that. It's when it's under load
That's when it's arrived. It's showing up
It sounds like the the mounts something seems binding up on one of the sides of one of the mounts when you bought the mounts
Did you buy factory mounts fluid filled mounts or did you just buy the aftermarket mounts?
I
Think those are fluid so mounts. I'm pretty sure I didn't install them. I had a front mechanic of mine do it
Check on that because they make they make a couple different mounts. They make
So the factory ones if they were fluid filled they're very expensive
They will make aftermarket ones that are also fluid filled which will
Cure the problem, but they also make solid mounts for those and if you get the solid mounts
There is going to be some vibration to be expected
But there is a huge cost difference one mount might cost 400 dollars and the other one might cost 60 bucks
Same mount, but one's fluid filled one's not
You can look at that also with aftermarket mounts some mounts are
Softer than others and isolate vibrations better than others
while other ones
Yep
Do not they're pretty stiff and some of those that are pretty stiff loosen up after you drive the car for a year
I've had people say i'm not paying 400 bucks. I'll pay the 60 bucks. Let's put that in
And there's a little vibration. They said well, I know what I did
I'll live with it and then a year later. They say oh, yeah that went away
It loosened up. It was fine. Sure could something be on the installation over tightened and bound up or it could be
They got enough sleeve on there. They usually don't allow that but sometimes we'll have a little vibration and once everything's bolted back together
We'll just take so we may have to take the exhaust off to take a motor mount off to jack the engine up
So then when we put it all back together we tighten up the mounts
Then we put the exhaust in the whole bit, but then once it's all installed
Then I'll loosen up the mounting nut on the mount
I can't get the whole mount out, but I can get the nut loose and sometimes it'll shift it'll go
And it'll move a quarter inch or a half inch
And it'll just I just let it I rock it around and I let it settle and then I tighten the bolts back up
And that may fix it find a happy place. Right. Yeah, but the other question the other question I had is
You know all these mounts wore out the old ones over time and then I I changed exhaust
The exhausts were fitted by a guy and with the fitting of the of the newer exhaust on there with the new mounts on there caused
a potential vibration point
Could be could be that if the new exhaust doesn't have a flex pipe in it
Oh, you'll get it. You'll get a vibration right the factory one had a flex pipe. I think it's straight pipe
I don't you don't think this was got it
It's the performance the performance pipes that were a deal that I got those are good
You can expect a vibration out of that because that's bolted right to the engine and right to the body
There's no without a flex pipe. It's going to do that. Yeah, you'd replaced yours, didn't you? Yeah
So you can live with it because of the cost or performance you can live with the performance, but you'll notice the change
That's why they put that flex pipe in there to cut the noise
Does that help you out there? I get it. I get it
That's perfect. I just need the confirmation on that exhaust question as that was a big one
Very good. Thank you so much. Thanks very much for the call eight six six five nine four
Four one five. Oh had someone asked we were talking about the vcm in the ridge line. What vcm means
Variable cylinder management like we talk about with the
GM cars have their version of it and
But everybody's got some version of that
Trying to help with their corporate average fuel economy to bring that
Down a half a point on a model over a bunch of models that are popular
They can help achieve some of their goals and so that's what they do is when there's not a load
It turns it off and so that person is asking should I disable that bugger?
And i'm sure there was other people out there wondering, you know
Where we were going with that so let's talk to mike. You're on the under the hood show mike. What can we do for you?
Yeah, I got a 2019 ucon denali got a little over a hundred thousand miles on it and
um, i'm worrying about replacing the shock struts whatever on it because uh
When I first bought it I bought it used to had about 50 000 on it and I really liked the way it rode
And it just seems like it doesn't ride as good as it used to
Kind of jarring and you know on on smaller bumps and then I noticed on the interstate
I don't even know how to explain it, but it kind of rolls
um
From side to side a little bit so I don't know if I got one bad
Shock or something in the front or in the rear maybe I don't know and then I was told to them kind of limited
To what I can put on that because it has a automatic
It automatically adjusts the rear when you put a load on like if I hook my boat on it you can hear it
you know raise and lower so
Uh, just wondering what you guys would recommend that can do with that
Well, I know that in the in the Denali's you're exactly right. They've got a damper control on them. That's electronic and
And um, they've got a level assist also
Um for you know, like you're noticing when you put the boat on and things like that
And over time they especially up in the upper midwest if you're from our climate
They really eat on those shocks up and down and we see a lot of failures of the shocks
Eventually they tear up the boots
They get moisture inside of them. They just start ruining them from the outside in basically
We see more problems in the northern climates
And you are limited on options. There was a time where I know we had a bunch of
Factory surplus ones and we were selling them like crazy online. We were selling them all over the place
but I think you know you run out of those eventually and the
Factory ones you can sometimes find a low mileage vehicle that's got a good
Set of those shocks on there. You got to match the codes so that everything matches but
Russ, uh, you know as far as making it work the way it worked from the factory
You're kind of limited, aren't you factory ones pretty much that they
They had a lot of those on those that body style that we've replaced the front ones will lock up
Sometimes the back ones so they bounce really hard which makes the other side dive
You know art your dad there shannon. He his was doing it. He's like
What do you mean? I'm like it shocks out and then we fixed the front
And it wasn't a few weeks later one of the back ones went out
So we ended up replacing all four was that before or after he ran over a spare tire in the road. That was then
So um with the rim in it. Yeah, yeah, so it it
Yeah, they do they go out especially if you have a load on them even just a bunch of kids and they're adults so
They just fail so you can expect
Five six years out of a set and then they're gonna be they get stiff and they don't bounce they get really stiff
Sometimes the front ones will blow up completely and they'll just kind of bounce up and down when you go down the road
And that's awful too, but we've so far our replacement has been
factory oem
And they'll vary a lot. I see some shops sell those aftermarket are the factory ones
For a ton of money and other ones that sell them pretty reasonable. It just depends on where you go. You've always
When you're looking at a purchase that big on something electronic like that
It pays to look around a little bit find out what's going to cost you
Let me even check with the dealer. They may be cheaper in some cases
I guess I've never asked you this on those but do any of the aftermarket vendors
Are you think like a big name like or not or somebody do they do they make a
A replacement for the oem they do for some vehicles
You've got to look it up per vehicle and per suspension type because you'll have
One that's just air ride in the rear
You'll have a basic one with no air ride all the way around
And then you'll have one with magna ride with electronic adjustable valved shocks on all four corner struts all
And that it's really expensive. Especially if you've got that magna ride with the airbags
I've done a little bit of research
Online and then I tacked a couple different mechanics
And they were what what I've been hearing is that the oem stuff
Uh, sometimes it doesn't last that long. It's not that great. It's about 3000 bucks to replace all four
Corners no matter what I do
uh, bilson and box were
Highly rated shocks, but that they're really I don't think they have
The ones for the rear because of that automatic adjustment
But there's another company. I think I can't remember now. I think it was called
Arnot or something like that. Yep. Arnot sells some. Yeah, they rebuild a lot of them
Yeah, they sell and
Uh, a couple of different mechanics recommend look at those. So yeah, give that a shot to see what's available
I don't think they're available on that one yet, but they will be at some point. They
They do a good job. They seem to cater to that market
They find out which ones are the trouble ones and they once they're off their patent. They build them
Yeah, and some of those they'll make a complete system to get rid of it
But like on some of you just kind of your hands are tight because it's so tied into the electronic system on the vehicle
It's tied into the computer network
Mike thanks very much for the call. Good luck eight six six five nine four four one five
Oh, let's talk to cliford in california cliford. You're on the end of the hood show. What can we do for you?
I have a 1949 shipping style line deluxe convertible
I have a throttle linkage problem
The nipple that comes up through the fuel when I step on it
The gas it slides from side to side. It's worn
And it eliminates me by gaming any full throttle
I know what you're talking about
You're gonna have to rebuild that and you're gonna have to build one yourself because you're not gonna find one
Unless you found one
Yeah in an old yard somewhere and it's probably gonna be rusted up
So what a lot of people do with those i'm familiar with that yoke that's on there you're gonna have to
You're gonna basically have to come find something that looks similar to it and
Make it
yourself, which is
Can be tricky
Sure, I don't I don't even think you're gonna find something like that. I don't eat anything
Well, I've been looking I've been looking for a whole year
But um, uh, if I if I pull it out and weld the nipple longer
Uh
You know it's gonna slide over but I'll at least you have to get full throttle. What do you think?
Would that would that work?
Yeah, I mean you you could do that the other
Choice you could do I've seen people on on that style design and on the trucks too. They would put a regular
Bolt a regular pedal to the floor with a cable on it
And you put the cable through the firewall and then run it up put a bracket on the engine and that'll eliminate all your problem
That would work too
So just just get your pedals all have three bolts the little triangle
Bolts to the firewall and then you just drill one little hole in the firewall where the cable comes through
And then you you drill it and then use a like a die grinder to cut a little
Make it square so that the cable will snap into it
Then you connect it to your pedal and then just run it up to the to the engine
And make yourself a little bracket and then then it's gonna fix
Uh, that'll fix it. The other thing you might be able to do is look online at a company called lowcar l o k a r
They make a lot of aftermarket pedals and brackets and things like that
They should have a throttle pedal with a cable and a bracket and everything to bolt to your engine
That you could put in as an aftermarket setup
And sometimes, you know, it's not going to look a hundred percent original, but it'll work a hundred percent good
That's all that matters, right
Clifford hold on a second don't go anywhere yet
We have to guess the color of this
Style line
It is a Berkeley one classic for sure sure
I'm gonna think that this is like, uh
I gotta say red we
You you yeah
I'm going maroon. I'm gonna go maroon. It's that robin egg blue blue. What color is the style line clifford?
Are you there
Can you hear us? We lost Clifford. I'm not I don't know what I just give it give it we give it
10 more seconds. It just fell off
It just came off. I think we had a connection problem. We don't get to find out. We'll just go with maroon
No, yeah, I was probably right. It's never happened to us before
What a poor what a poor timing too
I want it was kind of like callback
We're a little known fact normie. They only built that skyline in one color in that year and uh, yeah
So right one more question on chat. We got a couple minutes here. What color is the car?
2021 Chevy Traverse or Traverse? Yeah, because I like
Boom boom on Traverse city mission. Uh backup camera intermittently works and stops working
Yeah, that's intermittent like every other backup camera in the world. It's probably on a recall
Yeah
Call your dealer it might seriously it might be on a recall because there has been a
ton of recalls for
Backup cameras in the last how every manufacturers having problems, you know, they were federally mandated. It's got to be so frustrating for them
I bought my car and about day four
I backed up one time
Backup camera didn't work
I called the guy I was working with the salesman
I go. Hey, uh, just quick want to get it out. You know, let you know right away
I'm not too concerned about it yet, but the camera didn't work once out of the five times. He's like
Yeah, yeah, mine
Mine's the same and I said, oh and he goes, um
Everyone I've sold is the same. They just go out sometimes just they it's little when they first came out with these
For like the first seven or eight years they worked perfect and they didn't break
And what is it with the last eight years of backup cameras? They're all junk. I got one in my truck
That's 14 years old and it works just once you get comfortable with it
You start putting it elsewhere. You start running wires different ways and you go
Hey, this wire could run this and this too. So we're just gonna add on to it
It's gotta be something the way it's on the road in the other day and said something's wrong with my backup cam
I said, yeah, they're all broke. He goes. Yeah, mine keeps showing me horror films
It keeps showing somebody running over somebody with their truck
like what
Seriously, yeah, every time he puts in reverse it shows horror films of somebody getting run over by it by a truck
I don't know how to take this
That's a joke. We we do
I don't I'm not with it at all
Yeah, of course. We have is it a movie thing. We haven't run over it. It's good. So it's not what movie are we talking about here?
The backup cam movie he's saying his cameras broke because every time he reverses his car
It looks like someone's getting run over. Okay. I get it. There you go
The joke was he was yeah, he's ran over a lot of people just tells it better
That'll do it for this hour of the under the hood show until next
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Oh boy. Oh boy
That'll do it. I think do we have any we get uh
What uh, yeah, I can't believe I forgot to ask about that truck because we had just talked about it like a week before
When we were down at Toyota and we had Toyota there
We had we could have asked somebody that might have known something. I mean, we didn't have
They're only gonna tell us so much right
We yeah, we we did try to pry some things out of nick that he was not
That he knew that was not so cool that he was involved in the launch of this when they brought the super back
You know, that was that was pretty cool that he would been involved in that with the marketing launch for that
That had to be fun. So at the car show they had a cars set up by
Toyota on one side
Competition on the other competitors competitors. Sorry
And a home team
Visitor
I must be apartment. Maybe fake hair makes you feel blonde. I don't be because I was thinking that it was like
Competition type cars because they have like there was like drift cars over there
And but it makes no sense when I went back and looked at it
But you're you're you are right because no, I just tell me I'm not smart about it. That's fine. No, no, but when you said that
Here's here's what went through my head when you said that
I actually thought
Not really but when I looked at the sign from where we were sitting behind it were those like for
The the drag car and the motorcycles. They were right there
So it did look like behind that sign from where we were sitting behind that sign was
professional or or
Competition cars, but I'm yeah, but on the other side though is what screwed me up because we had
On the non there was Lamborghinis over there. There was because there was Toyota and then there was like an exotics
Yeah, that was a little further out
But but that wasn't a lot of Toyota's. Yeah
Yeah, I wasn't very smart about that but and I fought you I
Yeah twice. Yep. He I kind of tried I didn't back down
Uh, anything else? What else? Oh, uh, if you're
If you're here now, you're in kind of inside of course, but what uh, what's going on with our app?
I've had a couple questions about that. Well, this will be on the podcast as well as the youtube. Yeah
If you're listening here because you used our app before
That app is gone. We mentioned it several times before and you might have missed it somewhere. Maybe it got cut
I don't know but well and here's the thing. It's still there. I can still use it. It just doesn't work
It's now it's dead. They complete. They're completely shutting the whole thing and removing it. Well, that'll be good because it doesn't
Once it stops getting updated the the store app store for
Apple will remove it. It's going to be removed and that's because the we everybody has somebody that hosts their podcast
You send your info to them and then it's distributed from there to
We've got like 60 podcast sites that distributes to and then it checks to see
How many are coming from where so it's all
Central at one goes out. Well, they also had an app
They put the app out and then after a while apple said
You got to do this this and this they were always requiring more signatures and updates and upgrades for
the the people that actually own the the
stream which is us
and
It was we're working through a third party. So we had to work through them
So it they just said no, we're not going to do this anymore with anybody. So everybody that uses our host
They're just the apps are gone and the app we had
You know, we've got thousands of people that download the show every week
and out of those thousands. I think there were something like
2200 that
Exclusively used the app as a download portion. So it was a very small percentage. So we just said hey, we don't need the app
Sorry if you are using twice the size of our hometown
It might still be working
Good for you if it is go away because I mean, I'll go to a different
It's not going to be there. No because I got a whole bunch of emails said where'd the podcast go?
I haven't got it in weeks. It's like, um, it's not there. It's go. It'll be anywhere else. That's funny. How many said
Oh, well, I found it somewhere else
Okay, the app doesn't work. It's not working. It's not going to work
But the podcast is still everywhere itunes spotify
You know iHeart
google amazon
Keep going name. Keep going. These are
Um, it's on that one. It's on pod bean. It's on
pod.net. I mean, there's so many
YouTube youtube podcast you get right here on youtube podcast
No, that was the thing if you open your youtube app and you're watching a youtube watching us on video and you close the app
So there's no video the sound goes away
But if you go to the podcast on youtube and then close the screen it'll keep playing the sound
That's how you get of a of a video segment
If it's no if it's got to be on podcast so our show on podcast if you look at our library it says
live
videos
Shorts and podcasts if you're listening on podcast
It's a video podcast
But you can also turn the video off and just listen to the audio if you buy youtube premium it doesn't shut it off
No
Well, right on video either
But you don't have to buy anything if you're just watching regular youtube and watching the podcast version
Which is all still you know, I I was thinking about the other day that are we confused everybody with all the stuff
I'm just trying to tell them just now the uh, I think we I think you confuse people every week
Yeah, because you have a knowledge base that's
And I'm just trying to get it all out. I'm just trying to get it all
Dump it out. I remembered above average
Where we were and where I was when we first
Had the discussion. I used the word podcast
I remember specifically that conversation. I don't and I said we have one and you went where?
Yes, and I said you got to go to our web page and we got to download it
I was like, this is what a podcast is and you were like, yeah, we do that
Yeah, and you're like, well now they have a name for it
Yeah, because we were doing podcast before
Jeff stormen put it on right jeff stormen put it out there on itunes
But it was in a weird location that was my fault for not
Well, he says okay, it's up there, but you need to do more and I never do I saw that it was an anniversary of the ipod
And that came out after you had already started
Uploading what became podcasts. So you actually had you guys were doing podcasts before the ipod existed
It wasn't called a podcast, right? So that's kind of neat. Uh, it was yeah, it was a it was an apple audio stream
I do I yeah, I should have done more because we when we first put it out there
We were there weren't very many and when we started our youtube channel there weren't very many
I've just been hearing what we weren't doing it every week stories about people who are, you know, the innovators of podcasts
That's what made me think of it there. Oh, he's been doing a podcast since
This time and I'm like
We did our show on a platform called you stream, which was video and I used to bring the cameras into the studio
That was a long. Oh my gosh. It was before you. Well, yeah, and it was before that's before the that was
We did like a year's worth that was that kello though, right? Yeah, and we were we were getting about 30 views per
You know live views during the show and we'd get maybe
50 or 60 for the whole week and this is not going anywhere
This video stuff will never go anywhere. What I should have done was at that same time
I couldn't figure out how to get on to youtube with the the streaming software stuff. I don't think it existed yet
it was
You had to build your own basically uploading or or had the big expensive machine. That's why I went to you stream
That would have been great though because then we would have been one of the first people on
on uh youtube
And and I don't know there's probably if you could see those numbers
Probably a few of the people that started out in the beginning on youtube are uber rich right now and have had giant channels
But I bet a lot of them never really went anywhere
I don't think so
Our channel's been out there a long time, but it really didn't do anything till we posted content
Why would people go if you're not a good you don't have content right? Same with the radio just rob. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're good ready
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