A lively discussion kicks off with Chance and Todd diving into the latest automotive news, including Paul's new Porsche Cayman and the intriguing Corvette C9 concept from the UK design studio. They explore the current market dynamics of the Nissan Z and BMW's upcoming models, while also tackling listener questions about car choices and preferences. The episode features debates on various cars, including the Fiesta ST, Alfa Romeo Giulia, and more, providing insights into the joys and challenges of car ownership and the emotional connections that cars can evoke.
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"Paul, who had a Cayman, bought a Cayman. You need to watch the video to hear the whole discussion..."
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that sits low to the ground and is designed for great handling. It's popular among car enthusiasts for its performance.
The Porsche Cayman is a mid-engine sports car known for its excellent handling and performance. It is often praised for its driving dynamics and is available in various trims, including the GTS.
"He's been doing with his GTS, which, which we realized he's had almost nine years..."
GTS is a special version of a car that is designed to be faster and more fun to drive. It usually has better features than the regular model.
GTS stands for Gran Turismo Sport, a designation used by Porsche for higher-performance versions of their models. These variants typically feature enhanced performance and sporty features.
"It's got a big wing on the back. It's got a manual transmission this time. It has a 911 engine in it this time..."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time. It's known for its unique shape and powerful performance.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car known for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout. It has been in production since the 1960s and has numerous variants, including the GTS.
"One of the pieces of news that came out in the last week or so is that Corvette. Again, I want to be cautious here because we don't really talk about concept cars..."
The Corvette is a well-known sports car made by Chevrolet. The C9 is the next version that people are excited to see, especially because of its new and interesting design ideas.
The Corvette is a sports car produced by Chevrolet, known for its performance and distinctive design. The C9 refers to the upcoming generation that is currently in development, which has generated interest due to its innovative design concepts.
"They took the, well, Corvette has split window in its history. Let's do split front and rear..."
A split window is when a car's window is divided into two parts. This design was popular in older Corvette models and is considered a classic look.
A split window refers to a design feature where the windshield or rear window is divided into two sections, which was a notable characteristic of certain Corvette models in the past. This design is often seen as iconic and adds to the car's vintage appeal.
"Corvette needs to come out with a manual. Yeah. Just everybody has complained the entire generation of the C8."
A manual transmission is a type of car gearbox that you have to shift yourself, using a clutch pedal. Some drivers like it because it gives them more control over the car's speed and power.
A manual transmission is a type of vehicle transmission that requires the driver to manually shift gears using a clutch pedal and gear stick. Many driving enthusiasts prefer manual transmissions for the level of control they provide.
"With that that current center console that Corvette has. You can't put a manual in it."
The center console is the part of the car between the front seats where you find controls and storage. It can be important for how easy it is to use things like the gear shift.
The center console is the area in a vehicle that houses controls, storage, and sometimes infotainment systems, located between the driver and passenger seats. Its design can affect the usability of features like manual transmissions.
"Many of you have mentioned to us. We've been talking about a little bit why on earth can you now get a Z car for roughly the price of a loaded Miata?"
The Z car is a sporty vehicle made by Nissan, designed for people who love fast cars. It's popular for its performance and looks.
The Nissan Z car refers to a series of sports cars produced by Nissan, known for their performance and styling. The latest model aims to compete with other sports cars in a similar price range.
"Wouldn't you prefer a 400 horsepower Z-car to a loaded Miata and my answer to that is what kind of driving do you get?"
The Miata is a small sports car made by Mazda. It's loved for being light and fun to drive, especially on winding roads.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a lightweight two-seater sports car known for its agile handling and fun driving experience. It's often praised for its balance and is a popular choice among driving enthusiasts.
"Wouldn't you prefer a 400 horsepower Z-car to a loaded Miata and my answer to that is what kind of driving do you get?"
Horsepower measures how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
Horsepower is a unit of measurement for power, commonly used to quantify the power output of engines. It indicates how much work an engine can perform over time, influencing a car's acceleration and overall performance.
"But if you're going to commute every day, Z-car. Absolutely. And if you live somewhere like Houston, where you might have an opportunity to get into the throttle..."
Commuting is the daily travel you do to get to work or school. The type of car you choose can make a big difference in how comfortable that drive is.
Commuting refers to the regular travel between one's home and place of work or study. The choice of vehicle for commuting often depends on factors like comfort, fuel efficiency, and driving conditions.
"you have money to go and go to somewhere like Z-1 Performance and address the issues that I have with the car being suspension and steering..."
Z-1 Performance is a company that helps improve Nissan Z cars by providing parts and upgrades. They focus on making the cars handle and perform better.
Z-1 Performance is a company that specializes in aftermarket parts and performance upgrades for Nissan Z cars. They offer solutions to enhance handling and performance.
"There were like 12 beaver-tieft BMWs in a line at Carson Coffee this past weekend. Yeah. And there were so many people."
'Beaver-tieft' is a funny nickname for the way some BMW cars look, especially their big front grilles that some people don't like. It's a way for car fans to express their opinions about the design.
'Beaver-tieft' is a colloquial term used to describe the controversial design language of certain BMW models, particularly those with a prominent front grille that some find unattractive. This term reflects the opinions of enthusiasts regarding the aesthetic choices made by BMW.
"You don't see it and go, oh, now you see it's like, no, there's a new M4."
The BMW M4 is a fast and sporty car made by BMW. It's designed for performance and has a cool, aggressive look that many car fans appreciate.
The BMW M4 is a high-performance version of the 4 Series coupe, known for its powerful engines and sporty handling. It features aggressive styling and advanced technology, making it a popular choice among enthusiasts.
"they kind of has normal looking BMW kidney grills."
Kidney grills are the unique front grill design found on BMW cars. They help cool the engine and give the car its recognizable style.
Kidney grills are a signature design element of BMW vehicles, characterized by their distinctive shape. They serve both aesthetic and functional purposes, allowing airflow to the engine while contributing to the car's iconic look.
"...the IX3 is supposed to be the first one out. But they're talking about rolling through everything in the BMW lineup..."
The BMW IX3 is an electric version of BMW's popular SUV. It's designed to be environmentally friendly while still offering the features you expect from a BMW.
The BMW IX3 is an electric SUV that represents BMW's push towards electrification in their lineup. It combines the practicality of an SUV with electric vehicle technology.
"...they tried to spike her tires. They finally successfully spiked one of her tires. Okay. Love front goes down..."
Spike strips are tools that police use to stop cars by popping their tires. They are placed on the road to make it hard for the car to keep driving.
Spike strips are devices used by law enforcement to puncture the tires of a fleeing vehicle, effectively stopping it. They are laid across the road and can deflate tires quickly.
"A 2009 Hyundai Accent that he bought as a winter beater for $500."
The Hyundai Accent is a small, budget-friendly car that is easy to drive and maintain. The 2009 version is part of a series that was made for a few years.
The Hyundai Accent is a subcompact car known for its affordability and efficiency. The 2009 model is part of the third generation, which was produced from 2006 to 2011.
"Well, that is a, I don't know another person's written in with this a 2011 Volvo C30 T5 6 speed."
The Volvo C30 T5 is a small hatchback car that looks different from most cars on the road. The T5 version has a turbo engine, which makes it fun to drive.
The 2011 Volvo C30 T5 is a compact hatchback known for its distinctive styling and sporty performance. The T5 variant features a turbocharged five-cylinder engine, offering a balance of power and efficiency.
"So he's wanting a vehicle that gets really efficient and will allow him to profit from his mileage reimbursements. I mean, I don't blame you on that."
Fuel efficiency is how far a car can go on a certain amount of fuel. If a car is fuel efficient, it means you won't have to fill up the gas tank as often, saving you money.
Fuel efficiency refers to how well a vehicle uses fuel, typically measured in miles per gallon (MPG). Higher fuel efficiency means a car can travel further on a gallon of fuel, which is beneficial for reducing costs and environmental impact.
"But he's acknowledged that he's coming out of a $500 winter beater commute car. So anything above that is going to feel luxurious. We've got a wide swath here."
The Lexus LS is a very fancy car that is designed for comfort and luxury. It's one of the top models from Lexus, which is known for making high-quality vehicles.
The Lexus LS is a full-size luxury sedan known for its comfort, advanced technology, and smooth ride. It's often considered a flagship model for the Lexus brand, offering a high level of luxury and features.
"He'd like it to be dynamic, but he's accepting the fact that that's not what it's for. Obviously nothing's going to match the Fiesta ST, which is dynamics first and small package second."
When someone says a car is 'dynamic', they mean it's exciting to drive and handles well on the road. It feels responsive and fun, especially when turning or speeding up.
In automotive terms, 'dynamic' refers to how well a car handles and responds while driving. A dynamic car is typically fun to drive, with good steering feedback and cornering capabilities.
Miles per gallon tells you how far a car can go with one gallon of gas. The higher the number, the less gas you need to buy.
Miles per gallon (MPG) is a measure of how far a vehicle can travel on one gallon of fuel. Higher MPG indicates better fuel efficiency, which can save drivers money on gas.
"The newer turbo, not a speed 6, but the newer ones had turbo 2."
A turbo is a part of some car engines that helps them go faster by pushing more air into the engine. This makes the car more powerful and can improve how quickly it accelerates.
A turbo, or turbocharger, is a device that forces more air into the engine, allowing it to burn more fuel and produce more power. This can significantly enhance the performance of a vehicle.
"You mentioned Chevy Bolt. I thought Chevy Volt. Because then you don't have to worry about what is my range."
The Chevrolet Volt is a car that can run on electricity and gasoline. It has two versions, and the first one is often considered more stylish than the second one.
The Chevrolet Volt is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle that combines a gasoline engine with an electric motor, allowing for extended range and flexibility in fuel usage. It was produced in two generations, with the first generation being noted for its unique design and features.
The Honda Civic Si is a special version of the Honda Civic that is designed to be more fun to drive, with better performance and handling.
The Honda Civic Si is a sportier variant of the Honda Civic, known for its performance-oriented features and enhanced driving dynamics compared to the standard Civic models.
The Civic Hybrid is a type of Honda Civic that uses both gas and electricity to help it run, making it more fuel-efficient than regular gas-only cars.
The Civic Hybrid is a version of the Honda Civic that uses a hybrid powertrain, combining a gasoline engine with an electric motor for improved fuel efficiency.
"It'll have a great gearbox. Now you have a manual transmission that'll be good."
A gearbox is a part of the car that helps it change speeds. It connects the engine to the wheels and can be either automatic or manual.
A gearbox is a mechanical device that transmits power from the engine to the wheels, allowing the vehicle to change speeds and torque. It can be manual or automatic.
"of anything other than just, I've never done this step before. And we got there. Yeah, I'm also reminded of when you were selling your 9-2X. Yeah. You weren't taking it seriously. What I'm about to say, but you took it to CarMax just to see"
"Jeremy H asks on Facebook, what now retired models would you like to see return in a modern iteration? For him, it was always the Shelby Cobra. AC has tried to resurrect the car and they kind of have, but that car is so expensive, it's unobtainable. He'd also like to see Mustang or Ford"
"a Mustang that's shrank down like 20 percent. Sure, yeah. Think of a Mustang like super sized would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. But the Shelby is great. I think the Jaguar F-Type is actually a great, it's kind of a modernized e-type, but when it's got the V8, it's a modern Cobra too. Interesting,"
"would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. But the Shelby is great. I think the Jaguar F-Type is actually a great, it's kind of a modernized e-type, but when it's got the V8, it's a modern Cobra too. Interesting, okay. It's a small two-seat roadster, at least the convertibles were of course, and the V8,"
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Love the more hate them, everyone has an opinion on cars. But we believe we're all one great car away from being car enthusiast. So we're here to help you find a car you love. And let it take us to everything else in life. I'm Paul. I'm Todd, and this is the everyday driver car to me. Hello everybody, happy Friday, we are back in the podcast studio, but the Wii is different because Paul is actually out of town, so it's a chance here with me. How are you, man? Good, the Wii is me today. Yes it is. Bravo, bravo, bravo.
We had, we posted on Discord, we got some good questions from there as well from all of our patrons, which is really cool. So chances with me, and I don't know the last time you and I did a podcast. It's been a long time because you and Paul have done a few. So anyway, I'm excited to have you here. We have many things to talk about including the fact I should start here because Paul's not here. You and I can talk about the video that just dropped yesterday. Yes. Paul's new car. Yeah, he's got a new car. He's really excited about it. He's, he's giddy. He's a little child, and I have to
say new needs to be in air quotes. Yeah, it's, it's, it's blue. It's the same shape. It's, yes, basically, it's, it's the same car, but not the same car. He, Paul, who had a Cayman, bought a Cayman. You, you need to watch the video to hear the whole discussion because it's a playoff of the whole thing he's been doing with his GTS, which, which we realized he's had almost nine years. I guess it has been about nine years since he bought that 981 GTS. So he has moved on to the
different version of the same car. I'm trying, I'm trying not to give him too much trouble about it because he is so in love with this car. Yeah, well, I mean, it's got a big wing on the back. It's got a manual transmission this time. It has a 911 engine in it this time. I think he made a great choice. I really do. It's a gorgeous car, and I'm very excited for him. He is a little happy child about this car. Yeah. It's really cool. So you need to go to our original channel every day driver on YouTube and watch that piece,
where he explains himself kind of, and I say kind of because I have to keep giving him trouble for buying another Cayman, but it does make some level of sense. He's been talking about wanting one for how long now. He's had that car nine years, and he's kind of gone back and forth on upgrading anyway. So, and, and I also, I want to explain something here real carefully, Paul and I now have crazy cars, really crazy cars. Cars, frankly, beyond what I ever deserved in my life, but that's a whole separate thing. We, we are not like, woohoo, YouTube money is just
flowing. YouTube has gone down for everybody. I know an automotive. Yeah. We are struggling and fighting to have these cars. We're very excited about them. And we have also been joking about Paul and I both like, okay, we're done. This is as high as we're able to climb. We can hang on here. That'll be a victory.
Well, what's really funny is neither one of you are practicing your own, you know, and medicine here. You're getting a taste of it. Well, you have two clients and two low, right? You're right. You're right. Paul currently has three porches.
True. Yes. One of them's going away. Yes, he will sell the GTS. Yes, but currently he has three. Yes, it's fair point. Yes, which is funny. The discord. All of our patrons love to tease me on the fact that I have mainly because of my wife to black with 10 interior clients. Thank God. One of them has been lifted now.
slightly variation, slight variation. And my low tie are 20 years apart and quite different, but they are two Lotus badges. Who else any any of you listening? Who else do you know that owns two Lotus products? I think I might be the only one. Yeah, it's probably a very small group.
I'm not even sure that Lotus employees own two low tie. So yeah, that's going on. It's more interesting that the guy down the street from my house has two matching RAV fours.
Same color or parked out front. Every time I see him, I just roll my eyes. That's just we need two cars. And I grabbed a fob, which one lit up? That's all they have. I forget the other. They have another. Oh, it's a Sienna. They have a silver Sienna. The match to don't get crazy.
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Well, here we are with with chance. And I've got a couple of interesting pieces of news to talk about up front that have come across in the last week or so. And then we have a couple of card debates. Some great questions from you guys. So we're going to dive right in. I am going to talk about
styling, which I shouldn't do because Paul's not here, but maybe that's the fun. One of the pieces of news that came out in the last week or so is that
Corvette. Again, I want to be cautious here because we don't really talk about concept cars. Yeah, we don't know if they'll ever be like we're being talked about or not.
But they got a little bit of press because Corvette is kind of toying with what will the C9 Corvette be? Yeah.
Their UK based design studio released a phenomenal looking thing. It looks really fascinating. Looks really cool. Looks very hyper card. Also looks, let's be honest, very like designer is playing. It's a design study. Yeah, it's just like, it's a concept card. It'd be really cool. A couple of things going on here. One, not a V8, which I don't think is ever going to work for the Corvette buyer. There's that. It has a crazy gall wing doors that take the windshield with.
There's a lot of madness going on here, but I think it's a split window windshield. Yes, exactly. They took the, well, Corvette has split window in its history. Let's do split front and rear. And these these gall wing doors take the windshield with it, which is bizarre.
It is really cool looking thing. And it has gotten a lot of press. And I wanted to bring it up because it is very cool looking, but it is nowhere near reality at this point. And I'm very curious to see.
OK, here was my thought when I read this. Who else is playing? Well, so I was just going to say, you know what this reminds me of it reminds me of those grand tourism or vision concept cars.
You see all the time. That's exactly what this is. Totally. It's the kind of thing that would pop up in the game in an update. In fact, it may pop up by the game in an update. I don't know that will never actually be built.
But it does make me wonder if the UK design studio is playing. You know, they're not the only ones under the GM umbrella. So what's everybody else doing?
That's what makes me wonder. Did they do an in-house competition? And this is the one that one out? Or this is the one that's the first one out and they just are enjoying getting press about it.
I mean, again, we're talking about it. But it is it is a crazy looking thing. I don't think you really can put a Corvette out there and not have a V8 in it.
Yeah. So that's the big question mark. But it is. It's it's nutty looking. And I'm going to say it again.
Corvette needs to come out with a manual. Yeah. Just everybody has complained the entire generation of the C8. Now the C8 of course clearly was designed to not have a manual.
And I'm not taking away from its driving dynamics. But the the number of people that continue to tell us on any Corvette piece we release any time we bring it up.
I would have bought one if it had a manual. I don't know how many of you were just saying that into the air. But it is a thing that we're talking about.
But so many automakers have proven that people still want internal combustion engines and manual transmissions.
So I think Corvette is missing a section of their market. That's the biggest thing I hope shows up on the nine.
With that that current center console that Corvette has. You can't put a manual in it. It's just not it's not at all thought for it.
I've seen I think it was a couple of weeks ago now. There was a C8 refresh spy photo that came out of the interior and it's missing that button wall.
I saw that it was for the the ZR1 or whatever one wasn't it. Maybe that's what it was. Yeah, I didn't look at it too close. But maybe a ref its cycle refresh could potentially have a manual because it has the wall gone.
So you have room to actually put a shift or there such a crazy throwdown idea if they actually go that far in the C8. I personally can't imagine it. But we'll see what happens.
But I really do think it's missing a manual. I actually had our C8 our shows C8 out this past weekend because my wife loves that car just really likes that car.
And so we just two of us took it out she drove it mostly and she had a great time in it. And she was noting I mean that that wall gets a lot of bad press.
But it makes sense when you sit in the car as a driver you understand all the controls. It's very driver centric. There's a lot of stuff about that car that is just amazing.
So the driver economics are awesome. Yeah, great. For the passenger it's a little harder to use because the versions are tilted towards the driver. That's true, yes.
But the whole focus of the car is a driver's car, right? Agreed. So that's the Corvette C9 concept. We'll see if that becomes anything reality.
Many of you have mentioned to us. We've been talking about a little bit why on earth can you now get a Z car for roughly the price of a loaded Miata?
That's a good question. I saw this too.
When you look into it though some of it is it's dealers slashing prices and there's dealer credits. It's very specific to certain dealers.
So if you have an in with that dealer then get in line. It's dealers. It's cash back. It's discounts. It's all kinds of stuff going on that actually gets it down in that area.
But I think this argues the thing we've been saying for a while and that is it came out too late, not amazing enough and too expensive.
And so now the prices are coming down. I also think I really do. I believe that we talked about this on last podcast.
I think dealers kind of ruined the market for that car because they were so excited to have a car people were talking about.
They spiked the prices with dealer markup and then everybody just decided to ignore the car.
Now we're seeing the other side. We have stock. We can't move them. Prices are coming down. I'm very curious.
It depends on what you're looking for in a car because we've had many of you ask this question.
Wouldn't you prefer a 400 horsepower Z-car to a loaded Miata and my answer to that is what kind of driving do you get?
Yeah, right. Right.
Because if you gave me a back road in spite of the fact I don't fit in the Miata well, I'd rather be in the Miata.
Agreed. Yeah.
But if you're going to commute every day, Z-car. Absolutely. And if you live somewhere like Houston, where you might have an opportunity to get into the throttle
but most of you're going straight lines, well, Z-car. Yeah.
I mean, where are you in the world? I think it's a big factor here, but this is the Z-re setting itself price-wise.
And it is a cool car. It's not the car I would choose necessarily, but I would love to start seeing them on the road. We just don't see them.
Yeah. I think I was just going to say I think since they've been out excluding the press cars we've had, it's been two. Yeah.
I think I can count on one hand how many I've seen in the wild because you'd never see them.
No, I agree. I mean, I saw one. I think there was one at Carson Coffee. I saw one over the weekend. It was black.
I was like, hey, look, there's a new Z. I got all excited.
Because there was a line of BMWs and a 9-11 on the planet. The fact that a Z was even there was a main. I agree with that.
I think they're a great looking car. It's not without problems, but a 40 grand. It's a lot more interesting.
And then you have, you know, if you're that guy, you have money to go and go to somewhere like Z-1 Performance
and address the issues that I have with the car being suspension and steering and stuff like that.
You totally could. I mean, it is a lot of car for the money at that point. I hope they sell some. I'd like to see more.
But that is a fascinating bit of news. Last bit of news going on that I actually posted a picture today from Carson Coffee.
I didn't get the full perspective. I'm sorry. There were like 12 beaver-tieft BMWs in a line at Carson Coffee this past weekend.
Yeah. And there were so many people. There was nobody get a clean shot of all of them, which is what I wanted.
So I posted a picture of just a few. And between the beaver-tieft and the bulbous brand new M2s, I just thought, what on earth is BMW doing?
I mean, not that they're not brilliant to drive because they are, but just looks wise. It's like, really?
Yeah. So then this week is this bit of news. And it's, okay, it's on gelapnik. It's on a few other places as well.
But I'm really curious, is this real? Okay? Because BMW is claiming they're going to crank out 40 new or refreshed cars in the next three years.
I mean, they're out of all those cars, minus the M2, I guess. They're all out about that time. They're about to be refreshed.
I agree. Their whole lineup deserves it. It's not like everything in their lineup was new last year. So I see that. But wow.
A lot of the comments on the post you made were it's about beaver-tieft and how you know it's grown on people.
I wouldn't say it's grown on me per se, but it's a lot. It's not as vulgar. It's not as like jarring.
Jarring? Yes, yeah. You don't see it and go, oh, now you see it's like, no, there's a new M4.
You know what? I do agree with you on that. I have gotten to the place where it doesn't shock me anymore, but I still don't like it.
I will say on the race car, it looks really cool. The GT3, especially, it's wider. It's got these huge flared fenders.
The nostril are wide open for cooling, and it makes sense in, that's what the four even on the street car. But it makes more sense.
And it actually kind of works on the race car. And there's a cross beam in the middle of it that could be body color.
That's been discussed. We've also discussed that when you put the Euro plate on it that splits that big monster teeth in the front.
It makes all kinds of difference. But what's interesting is BMW's been teasing this new design. They're calling the new class design.
And Paul has raved about it before. So even without him here, you can kind of hear his echo here of comic talking about the design.
But the new class is supposed to be the way forward. And if you look at it, it kind of has normal looking BMW kidney grills.
It's like size wise. It starts to be something that looks somewhat similar to what we've seen before.
And so I would love that to be the design language of a lot of this new stuff. We'll see as it rolls out, the IX3 is supposed to be the first one out.
But they're talking about rolling through everything in the BMW lineup. But I'm just curious to see what is the new version of BMW.
And are we getting away from the teeth? I think we are. But we have so enjoyed saying beaver teeth.
I think you helped us coined it years ago now. And I'm certain that it has been echoed in the halls of BMW, which makes me laugh.
I'm sure it has. I just love that. For sure. So we're curious to see where to go. But that is an interesting bit of news.
I've got one random piece of more local news I want to talk about because I saw the headline and I had grabbed my attention and I had to read it.
All right. There was a car chase here in Utah and I 70 just the other day.
Okay. Ladies, I don't know all the details of why she was running, but she was going 95 troopers that he went 130 to catch her and when she caught up to her, she took off.
Okay. And they tried to spike her tires. They finally successfully spiked one of her tires. Okay.
Love front goes down. She pulls over. And they which results in I think it was like an hour long standoff that they had on the side of the road.
They closed the freeway for this. And this is this is where it gets really funny.
She was ignoring all their their instructions. While they're talking to her, she calls AAA to come out to fix her tire.
I'm in the middle of a standoff. It'd be really great if you could just fight by location.
And I don't know how how AAA figured it out, but AAA ended up forwarding the call to Utah Highway Patrol and they forwarded the call to the state trooper that was on site.
That's amazing. And they talked her out of the car and arrested her and all that.
But it was just I saw the AAA part and just I laughed.
Well, you know, that membership is important. So maybe, you know, maybe they really will help you anywhere.
That is fantastic. I had not seen that and I'm not even sure.
Can you imagine the AAA operator putting that together?
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Alrighty, we got a couple of good car debates. We're going to dive in on those.
First off, we've got Ben writing in from Ontario and the connective tissue on both of these car debates.
Paul will be trying to do that, but I'm trying to figure it out is actually Fiesta ST love in both of these.
It's true. We're going to write in from Ben here and he's talking about his first time writing in and he's excited to make a change.
He thinks because he's changing departments at work requires him to drive his own vehicle significantly further than what he currently does.
And that's where the question comes in because he has a 2014 Fiesta ST that's currently for sale because it's not quite right.
A 2009 Hyundai Accent that he bought as a winter beater for $500.
Plans of getting rid of that as well.
What car is he keeping while he figures out this new commuter?
Well, that is a, I don't know another person's written in with this a 2011 Volvo C30 T5 6 speed.
He plans on keeping as his summer car and continuing to modify it.
That is unique.
Yeah, I'm curious why keep that one to modify and not the Fiesta, but at the same time.
Are those the five cylinder cars?
I think so. I believe it is.
That's the thing about styling is worth keeping either way because you never see those.
But he's talking about his commute and expecting to have to drive upwards of 30,000 miles a year.
So he's wanting a vehicle that gets really efficient and will allow him to profit from his mileage reimbursements.
I mean, I don't blame you on that.
Yeah, for sure.
He's looking for something fuel efficient but doesn't want something like a Lexus LS.
He doesn't need that kind of comfort level.
But he's acknowledged that he's coming out of a $500 winter beater commute car.
So anything above that is going to feel luxurious.
We've got a wide swath here.
It's not just like I need a really luxurious car. That's the whole point about the LS.
He's also adding a motorcycle to his fleet soon.
But because of this work change, he's delaying that for a year.
He's currently looking at the third or fourth gen Mazda 3's.
He used to own a 2007 Mazda Speed 3 and adored the car.
So another 3 would be more fuel efficient with the sky active engines.
You can get them in a manual and they seem like a pretty good fuel efficient car.
And I have a first and third gen I've got two right now.
Welcome to exactly the reason I laid this at your feet because I was like,
the chance should talk about Mazda 3's.
And the first gen I have is the bigger engine and it is a manual.
The other one is the two leaders.
So it's the smaller engine and it's an auto.
Curiously, they both get about 32 miles to the gallon.
So they're right. They're pretty decent fuel efficient.
They do the job and the manual at least in mine.
I haven't driven the newer manual. I don't know if you have either.
Not a more recent one than yours. No, I haven't driven a manual in that car in a long time.
I don't feel like I gain anything by having a manual in that car.
However, I do imagine the auto of the first gen was probably not very interesting.
Well, but in general, I mean, I think, you know, if you like that engagement,
you're going to appreciate having the engagement versus not having it.
But we are talking about a commute car here.
Right. Now he did say there's an outlier here and that is the possibly the end of the Mazda 6 line.
He knows that it has kind of some of the same underpinnings as the Mazda 3
but it's a little more interesting and new to him.
Maybe that works, but he's a little confused here because he's just wondering what other cars he isn't thinking of.
He is going to drive as much as 30,000 miles a year for work.
So what we're talking about here is reliable, comfortable fuel efficient.
Those are really the requirements.
He'd like it to be dynamic, but he's accepting the fact that that's not what it's for.
Obviously nothing's going to match the Fiesta ST, which is dynamics first and small package second.
That's what it's great at. He is saying maybe 15,000 Canadian.
And then it's like you can feel it in the middle of him typing.
He could go 20 and then he realizes he's riding to us and he's expecting that Paul would take it to 20 or even 30.
So he's kind of going, all right, so maybe we've got 30 as an outlier for this commuter for Ben.
He also did add that some of his commute will be a lot of back roads.
And knowing the part of Canada he's in, he's in London, Ontario.
There are some sweeping, windy, kind of hilly areas.
They're not like Canyon roads, but they do have some some fun to them.
So something that is dynamic is not a requirement, but given the roads, he'll be driving.
He kind of hopes for something that is at least you can see fun from.
Sure. Yeah, I get that. I totally get that. So where'd you go with this?
Well, you could do, I mean, if you want to want to really work on your getting your miles, miles back, your reimbursement back.
You could go to two obvious routes, and that is a Prius.
I mean, you're not going to, it's not a fun car, but this is what it's for.
It's what it's for. Yes. If you had amazing gas mileage. Totally agree.
Or you can go even further. And I mean, I don't, you don't say how far it is to work.
Just that you'll be driving 30,000 miles a year.
But you could get a used Chevy Bolt for under 15 grand.
I even looked in Canadian. You can get them for 12,000 Canadian.
Okay.
They're kind of interesting, more interesting, more interesting to drive than a Prius.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll, you know, it's what 220 something-ish miles range.
22, 250 range. Yeah, I see that. Yeah.
So kind of kind of fun and interesting.
But yeah, those were the top two choices I had.
But you could also, if you want a little bit more fun and still have fuel efficiency, what about a cheap GTI?
How much GTI can you get for your money?
Sure. I mean, I wonder if you get, here's my concern with the GTI.
Once you get into, if you really want to get less than 20 or less than 15,000
or you're going to get a GTI that's reliable.
Now, if you're spending more, sure, what's the, what, it may be really good for a while.
But I'd be concerned about you buying 130 or 150,000 miles.
Oh, yeah. Really old GTI and just go, okay, when does that break?
Right.
But if you got a newer one, I could totally see that. All right.
So that's kind of where I landed. I kind of kept with the hatchback-ish nature of his garage.
I see that. I see that.
I don't know that the GTI is the right choice.
My concern is how old a GTI you're getting.
A newer one would be great. I actually liked the Mazda 3 for you a lot.
Then I think that's a good call.
I've always felt like the Mazda 6 is an under-appreciated car.
I agree. I love that Mazda 6.
Anytime I've driven that Mazda 6 sedan in any form, I always felt like it was more dynamic
than people gave it credit for.
So in that regard, I think you should at least drive the Mazda 6
and have a real conversation about, is it dynamic and efficient enough?
I don't have an answer for you about what's the, you know, don't give me like a magic number
of, this is what the Mazda 4 gallon needs to be.
So is that enough?
Because since you're coming out of that accent and you kind of want dynamics,
I think the Mazda 6 gives you all of the stuff you're intrigued by in the Lexus ES,
but it still maintains a dynamic character.
And I think you're going to end up with a lot of car for your money.
So the Mazda 6, I really do think is interesting.
I would even suggest with the 6, since you don't need it to be a fast car,
just look for a non-turbo.
You don't need the extra power.
You get better miles per gallon that way.
Sure.
Sure, yeah.
There's no reason to go with the Mazda 6.
That's all we'll drive and have other issues.
And I think you just get one of the late model ones.
It's really nice.
Well, that's what I mean.
The newer turbo, not a speed 6, but the newer ones had turbo 2.
Oh, that's true.
You don't need that.
You can get a normal 2.5 or whatever.
Fair point. Yeah.
I think there's a lot of car there available for you.
So I think that could really work.
You already mentioned the Prius chance, and I think you can't avoid it.
You mentioned Chevy Bolt.
I thought Chevy Volt.
Because then you don't have to worry about what is my range.
Then you don't have to think about the electric equation.
But the Volt look in both generations.
The first gen, I think, looked more interesting than the second gen.
The second gen could have been a cobalt.
You have no idea that the second gen Volt is the Volt.
And that could be good or bad.
But the Volt is one of those cars that I think is consistently overlooked.
Because it did everything it was asked to do.
And it did it well.
Is it interesting?
Not really.
Does it drive well?
It drives fine.
Compared to some other stuff we're talking about here, it's fine.
It's nothing about it.
It's like, wow, did you drive the Volt?
It drives awesome.
No.
But it does absolutely everything it was asked to do well.
And they've been reliable.
And they are cheap used.
That's true.
So Chevy Volt as an alt to the Volt.
I think that is an option.
I've got a couple of others for you.
First off, what about an older Honda Civic SI?
I wonder if it's about a hybrid.
I did wonder about the Civic Hybrid.
You could do hybrid.
But I'm just wondering about the miles per gallon on the actual older SI is going to be good.
True.
Yeah.
And then you still get some dynamics.
You get something a little more normal a little bit than the Fiesta ST.
Probably a little more modern.
It's a Honda.
It'll have a great gearbox.
Now you have a manual transmission that'll be good.
That'll be reliable.
That'll get decent gas mileage.
You kind of mix the flavor of the two cars you own.
I feel like.
That's kind of the accent and the Fiesta ST in a blender.
And you kind of get out this thing that gets better gas mileage.
Is it a little more normal for a car?
Not really.
But anyway.
But that's kind of the sense of it.
So that's why I like that one for you.
And then I have an other wild card.
I don't know that it makes sense.
But that's the fun of the wild card, isn't it?
Because you talked about this is a work car.
And you don't really need back seats.
And you'd like to be efficient in these kind of things.
You know, they sold that thing called the Honda CRZ.
Who's CRZ?
Yeah.
Look, this is not a dynamic powerhouse.
But it handles better than you ever think it will when you climb into it.
And compared to a Prius, it's an F1 car.
Okay.
It's just because it's tiny.
It's tiny.
It's a two passenger car.
It's got like a partial shelf in the back.
It's actually got a decent amount of storage because they had seats overseas.
And here it was just like, we carpeted the back for you.
But you never see them.
They get great gas mileage.
They have a good manual transmission.
And every time I drove one, which was a few times, every time I drove one,
they were more fun than they deserve to be.
But in like the grants, it's no Fiesta ST.
No.
It's not a Civic SI either.
But it's close.
Yeah.
So I think I haven't recommended a CRZ in a while.
But I think a manual transmission CRZ could totally get this done.
And it is the rare hybrid manual.
Well, here's another wild card.
You mentioned the Volt and now the CRZ.
You put those 200 Blender.
And you get the Cadillac ELR.
Remember that thing?
Yes, I do.
To the door.
You know, you may be onto something there because those have plummeted.
Uh-huh.
And they're stylish.
They look cool.
They're still too early.
They're hybrid, the plug and hybrid.
I like that even better.
That's really good.
I mean, good finding one.
They're probably out there.
I'm sure they're out there.
That's really good, actually, because that really is the hybrid version of what you're looking for.
That's pretty cool.
I like that quite a bit.
Well done on the ELR.
I just came to me.
Yeah, that's well done.
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John C. North Carolina writes to us for our second car debate.
He is actually one of our Patreon members.
And on Discord, he's right on rooftop.
He's first time writer, like a lot of people.
He's recently bought his Fiesta ST in 2003 and has loved it.
You bought it with 100,000 miles on it from the original owner who had a detailing company and used his fist as his...
I love how everyone says that.
That is.
He's lost the force.
Oh my god.
Yes.
Once you get into the forums of all of these little Ford STs, then they all have their little nomenclature.
And the fist, capital F, little I, big ST.
The fist is the Fiesta ST.
Anyway, moving on, yes.
Anyway, it was used as a detailing company as his business car.
It was probably wrapped or it was...
And the guy's name was a Ford mechanic.
So the car was pristine at 100,000 miles.
And that reminds me, not that long ago, a couple of years ago when the GR Corolla came out, we went looking for a Focus RS to put it with.
And we found one locally in Utah.
The guy had bought it like two months before we borrowed it with 100,000 miles on it.
He took it and got normal maintenance done.
And it drove like it was new.
It was great.
I couldn't believe how just tight and proper it drove.
So this 100,000 mile Fiesta ST that you bought.
Again, it's a 2016.
You just bought it a little over two years ago or right about two years ago.
And you are totally in love with it.
And it sounds like it's been awesome.
You took it down to tail of the dragon in 2024.
And you're talking about joining us again.
We go down to Coda.
I gotta tell you, we go down to Coda.
I've started looking at logistics of this trip.
And I am simultaneously excited and horrified.
Yeah.
Because we are leaving from Utah.
We're taking four days to get down to Austin for our circuit of the Americas days.
That's May 31st and June 1st two awesome track days.
But again, we will have done four days of road trip and filming to get there.
Yeah.
Two days on track.
I can't sell this enough.
Six days after that, we are then going all the way to Knoxville in a very circuitous.
Oh, there's a cool back road kind of route.
And John and his Fiesta are probably joining us, which is very cool.
We hope others of you will join us.
If you want to have more information about this, it's everydaydriver.com, the Adventures tab.
There's info right there on Coda.
Come to the track even if you're not driving on track, but you really want to be driving on track.
I'll tell you right now, I'm not going to hide it from you.
Coda is expensive.
Yeah.
It's an expensive place to rent.
Oh, my lord.
It's an expensive place to drive.
Anybody that goes to Coda.
There's two categories.
It's somewhat affordable.
And you're driving in commute traffic because that's the only way they make the numbers work.
You're bumper to bumper with somebody else.
Or it's expensive.
And I can't believe how cool this track is.
We're in the expensive column.
But just put it right out there.
It's an expensive day to go as any of our competition that has decent days.
But you really ought to get on track.
It's one of those once in a lifetime things you have to do.
You get to drive the F1 track purpose built in the US.
I mean, Vegas is cool.
And Miami is fine with their fake Marina thing.
But this is an actual purpose built track.
It's really cool.
See where we're going down there.
I'd love to have you with us.
And we're expecting John to be with us.
Anyway, I'm off on a tangent because I'm really excited about it.
But this Fiest ST has had everything.
He's been down to tail of the dragon more than once.
He's since then upgraded the brakes, the tires, the radiator.
He put in a catch can.
His regular commute takes him on a fantastic group of backroads,
including a 20 second description that he has of every day.
He has a 20 second auto cross available to him each morning.
It was really cool.
There's a few problems.
Problem one is the fact that his wife hates it.
But problem two is that he's in North Carolina.
And it is fixed the road season, or maybe era.
Let's put it that way.
It's bigger than season.
He is realizing that it has turned his commute into a bumper
to bumper disaster that is destroying his left knee because of the
manual transmission.
So sometimes when he looks at Google Maps and his description now,
it looks like a plate of red spaghetti getting to work.
He promptly borrows his wife's Acura RTX.
He just takes the automatic and just drifts through traffic
because he doesn't want to deal with it.
It's supposed to continue up until sometime in 2027.
And if you're listening to this live,
that's roughly two years out from now.
If you're listening to it in 2027, maybe check.
See if there's still road work in North Carolina right now because
there potentially still is in John's area.
So we're talking about getting a car that he can have
to get through this stop and go commute.
But I get the sense.
Do you get the same sense?
I get the sense that it's part of the fact that his wife hates it.
And he doesn't want to drive it in commute traffic.
He's going to keep it.
He's just going to put it away for a bit.
That's the way this reads to me.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he ever explicitly said
he's going to sell it.
It's just I have to put it away while I get something else to commute
and so I'm just kind of going,
okay, so it's not going going.
It's just like put to rest until times are better
because the other part of it is he thinks that for summer
driving season they're going to do less actual work on the road.
So he's kind of thinking he's got to October when they get serious again
about cones and madness.
He's got till then to actually do drive homework.
So he's looking for a can it still be fun
and can I commute and stop and go car?
He's got a budget of $40,000 and a pall
limiter of $43,000.
He leads off though in very bold all caps.
No BMWs.
He's had three BMWs and we're on a break right now.
They're on a break.
I see.
I'm sure we'll find each other again one day,
but right now me and BMW are enjoying new experiences
and living our best lives.
Okay.
I sense backstory, John.
I would love to hear the backstory.
There is a story about you and BMWs, but anyway.
Maybe put that on a discord.
His top contenders for his list are the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifolio.
That is a great choice.
I love that.
The Veloster Inn.
That would mean the Veloster you can get with the DCT, right?
The later ones?
The later ones you can, yes.
The Volvo V60 Polestar.
Hey, we know a couple people of those.
We do, yes.
The Cadillac CT4V Blackwing.
He said it feels wrong to buy that as an auto,
but you do what you got to do.
Yeah.
And the Mark VIII Golf R.
So it's great.
He's Turro DM the Mark VII and a half in the Mark VIII
and taking them on a spare to drive.
His wife loves it, but it's not that special.
It's not that special.
And I have to ask, John, are you okay
with the completely obtuse infotainment?
Are you okay with all of the haptic disaster going on in that car,
and the little touch screens and the sliders for volume
and for temperature?
I mean, accidentally hitting the steering wheel.
Totally.
They're so hated that Volkswagen is pulling back.
I know there are those of you that have bought the Mark VIII
and have said, I got used to it, which is the standard comment.
And I understand you can get used to lots of things in a car,
and then you just, you don't think about it.
Lexus for decades has had the worst infotainment on the planet,
and my mother-in-law swears by, she's not even all that
technologically savvy, but she's like, I get it.
Of course you do, because you like Lexus and you figure it out.
So, I understand that the Mark VIII you might have gotten used to it,
but that is still just not a good system.
But I understand, compared to the Fiesta ST,
you put your wife in a Golf R, she's going to love the Golf R.
And it is still dynamic, and they have good transmissions.
That would be a great commute car.
I can't argue that. Keep going.
He also, earlier in the email, talks about his area is pretty affluent,
and so he sees a lot of cool stuff at the gym.
Yes.
And he posts, I've seen his pictures.
He posts a lot of car spotting pictures in our discord
of the crazy things he spots.
And he says, regularly, regular cars at the gym include two rules,
rice's, an MC20, all the 911's, all the plaids.
Got it.
Chevy SS, McLaren's, Lamborghini's, an R8 V10 manual that he describes
as being driven by the most badass old lady you'll ever meet.
What I love is that she goes to the gym in our R8 manual transmission,
that's a V10.
I like everything about this woman.
What's funny is this sounds like some of the people we see here in Park City.
When I moved here 15 years ago, and I can't believe that I quickly realized
I'd moved from Los Angeles where people were thin to Park City
where people were actually in shape.
And there is a difference.
It's true.
And you will be random places in this town,
and it doesn't matter what age I am, somebody 20 years older than me
will absolutely kick my ass in whatever sport of choice.
It doesn't matter if it's skiing or biking or whatever,
how are you able to do that?
It sounds like this woman is one of those people she just doesn't live here.
So bravo to her.
So I came up with three cars.
I'm not going to rule out anything you've already put on your list.
I'm just going to put three more on.
Okay, great. Love it.
So the first one I thought of, it's not a sporty sedan,
but I do really like them.
What about a Kia Stinger GT?
I think it's a great choice.
Why not?
Great daily.
They're automatic.
They're quick.
Yep.
They're not the most dynamic car in the planet.
But they're around.
But they're better than you expect.
That's the thing every Stinger ever driven on like this actually handles really great.
Well, I think there's simultaneously better than you expect
if you're expecting it to drive like a camera, which it very much doesn't.
That's a great point.
But if you're expecting it to drive like a Chevy SS or an M3, it's not there.
It's not quite there, but it's on that pathway.
Yeah, it's a good middle ground.
If you're expecting a Chevy SS, you can get an automatic Chevy SS with Maggeride.
Absolutely.
Yes, you can.
Lots of power, more space, comfortable.
It would be great in traffic.
I think it'd be perfectly good in traffic.
And everybody would just think you're a Malibu, so you're going to blend.
But then when that road opens up, the rare time that they took down the cones
and are doing construction today, you're not going to be disappointed
that you're in a Chevy SS.
Yeah.
It's going to surprise you.
Good bye, everyone behind me.
That's a really good one.
Yeah.
But I think the winner I have here is the, you can get a couple years old Audi RS3.
It's basically the Golf R with the 5 cylinder.
We're going back to 5 cylinders.
But the 5 cylinder turbo, so it sounds cooler.
They have a little more personality than a Golf R, I feel like.
I like them more.
They're nicer inside so your wife will love the car inside as well.
I think that's a great daily commute.
It's kind of the perfect daily commute car, really.
What's funny is I was all excited about myself over here
because I thought when's the last time I've recommended an RS3
or even the Audi S3 and I have it on my list.
You stole it right away from me, but that tells you how much
maybe you need one John because I had it on here as well
because I do agree with Chance Fully.
Even the S3, I think, is more interesting than the Golf R.
It's just different.
It just has that little pocket rocket sedan thing
that is really interesting.
If you could do RS3 even better, that gets all of the Golf R stuff done
in a cooler package.
I think that's a great choice.
It'll fit in at your gym parking lot too.
There you go.
Looks more upscale in a Golf R.
Not bad.
And it stands out.
You see, look, you're going to see how many Golfs on your commute.
How many S3s are RS3s you ever going to see?
Or even A3s.
That's true.
While we're talking about it, you're right.
Those aren't having it.
That's really good. Well done.
I had a few, I want to talk through that you already had
on your list, but we've already stolen my best one.
Sorry, man.
Well, hey, look.
I want to applaud you because the fact that we both went there
does say something.
Anyway, John, so here's the thing.
I still am of the impression that the fiesta is staying.
So I'm just going to assume that over there in the corner,
waiting for somebody to come have fun
because the back roads are great.
I, you're all over the map here on the things you've thought of,
but it is hard for me to ever think about the Alpha Julia quadrifolio
and the Veloster in the same list.
That was a hard one to punch for me.
Yeah.
And I like both those cars a lot.
But your first three, if the QV, the Veloster in
and the Volvo V60 Polestar, I was just having Whiplash back here
going, I see the merit in all three and they were wildly different.
So anyway, if you could get a QV, I think that is way up there
and I think that is a great competitor to the Chevy SS
that Chance brought up.
Either one of those would be a great choice.
I think you could get one of those easier than you could
the Cadillac CT4 black wing.
I like the black wing for you.
There's nothing wrong with it.
Yes, you could get it in an auto.
I agree you kind of be a little disappointed.
But okay, that is life.
But you could get more car for your money.
I think going with Chevy SS maybe have money left over to,
I don't know, put more stuff on the Fiesta.
Who knows?
Or the SS?
That's true.
All of that is good.
So I think that would work.
You mentioned the Veloster in and I like the Veloster in
but for your choice because you talked about that it's you and your wife
and the little goblin.
You did mention the little goblin in your life.
So since you do have a family that you're having to worry about,
I love the three year old pocket goblin description here is hysterical.
You know what you need is more space in the Veloster in the same kind of package
and with your budget,
couldn't you go out and get yourself a brand new
Elantra N?
Good.
You get the DCT Elantra N and the thing about the Elantra N
besides the fact that it's four doors for seats but it has the really cool
seats that are thinner than normal which gives you extra back seat space.
True.
Yeah.
So that is the more usable thing and that is just a snorty little monster
and I think both the Veloster N and the Elantra N
they drive surprisingly close to your Fiesta ST.
But I don't think your wife's going to have the what is this car problem
she does in the Fiesta ST and by the way my wife has those same issues.
Every time I see one on the road I'm like those are so cool.
She's like that thing.
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
Especially if you said a crazy color.
And you sit in one and you just go this is this any corner box car.
Absolutely.
There's nothing special inside.
They're moring, they're cheap.
And the Hyundai stuff they're they're actually
leather.
They're nice materials.
It looks a lot more luxurious.
Significantly more upscale.
And the Elantra is genuinely fun.
I think a new Elantra N should be very near the top of your list.
The V60 poll starts cool but I don't think it competes with the dynamics
of the other stuff we're talking about which is why it's off the list here for me.
I have two others for you one.
If you're going to drive that Kia which chance brought up and I like that.
You should also drive a Genesis G70.
What's the one of those in your budget?
Get a used one with the V6 which is a fantastic engine.
It is the shorter wheelbase same chassis as the Stinger.
But you can get it rear wheel drive and it is a surprisingly fun sedan.
Now I will say the quadrifolio is still better.
So is the SS.
But the G70 is a very nice place to be.
Your wife's going to be like this is a very luxurious car.
It might be too luxurious for your child.
Anyway, that's a separate thing.
I can almost argue that it looks better than the other two.
It definitely looks better than Chevy SS.
Oh, without question.
And better than the Kia Stinger.
It feels like an upscale car for sure.
And then if you want to go wild card, I do have a wild card for you.
Again, I have to mention because it was on my list, the Audi's.
The RS3 or S3, you may as well.
If you're going to shop golf or shop those.
But my wild card is a used Panamera.
That's a little bit of a dice roll.
Compared to some of these others, I don't know what your maintenance is going to be on a $40,000 Panamera that concerns me a smidge.
I was looking at those yesterday.
Where are you?
Tell me.
You can get early four S's for $15,000.
Yes, because the very early four S's, you don't want that car.
But you can get $15,000 Panamera.
They've been around long enough now that they're starting to get into.
Shouldn't I buy that kind of prices?
So used Panamera is my wild card for you, John.
But there's a lot of good stuff to think about.
And I still want to know is the fiesta staying.
That reminds me, though.
I did have one other.
I forgot to put on my list.
I thought of earlier.
I even looked them up.
Okay.
We have some haircuts for $35 grand.
Clean titles.
Lock your doors, everyone.
Less than $100,000 miles.
Shocker, hellcat, for $35 grand.
You can find them all day along at $40.
They're harder to find it under $35.
That's a lot of expected.
That's the opposite experience of the fiesta ST.
Thank you.
That's where my brain was going to.
John, if you really want to reset your wife's expectations, it's charge your hellcat.
Look at this, honey.
Park that next to the fiesta ST.
I just want a photo of that car.
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I want to start there. Roadrunner has asked most laborious car purchasing experience. What do you
have here? Chance anything? I've got two actually. Oh good. Please. I'll start with a simpler one.
When I was in college, my then wife, we were buying our first car together and we had test-driven
a couple of Mazda 6's. It was the first gen. Sure. We had found a gray one and we went to go buy it
and next to it was a blue one. It was a little bit more money. It had better options. The V6 and it
was the hatchback. The liftback one. They parked them there like that on purpose. But anyway,
moving on. That car was not listed on the website because they had just got it. We went in and we
test drove it. We started going through all the process and the next day we were going to Kentucky
for I think it was the holidays or maybe it was in between a semester. I don't remember. We
were going back east to visit my in-laws. Sure. They kept the car for us. I think we put down
a deposit so that we can just keep it rolling. It was just this non-stop back and forth thing for
a week. The whole week we were there just trying to get the numbers to line up. We ended up getting
my stepfather-in-law to co-sign but because it was an out-of-state thing we had some issues
getting that figured out and we came back. We went back to the dealer and we were there all day
going back and forth with their finance guy figuring out with stepfather-in-law. By the way, when it
goes smoothly, you're still not the dealer all day. This was going on for a week. You guys
have got a week prepared car and that's craziness. Again, this was several years ago now. 15 years ago
I think. I don't remember all the details but we ended up going to dinner while they were still
figuring things out. We came back and we were there another hour signing papers. We ended up getting
the car but then with that same car because there's a local car insurance brand here. It's Utah
only. They've got all kinds of restrictions. If one of them was, this is why they ended up dropping
us. They dropped us three months in because they discovered that the co-signor lived out a state.
Oh my gosh. It was just a headache. Oh my gosh. Anyway, that was real fun. My other one was
the 9-11 blew up the first time and I bought my Mazda 3. That process was a nightmare too but in a
different way. That was because it was the height of COVID. It was 2021. I was working part time,
not part time, was working retail full-time. My shifts were all over the place. You can't get
out of work just to go test drive a car. I was trying to schedule them on my lunch break or after
I got off. I'd schedule a test drive in the morning. By the time I'd get there, the car
would be sold that same afternoon. This was happening daily. It went on for three or four weeks. I
was borrowing a friend's car and he was finally like, are you done with my car yet?
Then I was up against the deadline too. I was going down to Arizona for vacation and I ended up
buying a car and driving it from the dealer lot to Arizona. That's how tight it was.
Can we get this done? I have to go out of state. It was so great. That dealer experience
that was great. I walked in. I threw the car and signed papers and it was a couple of hours tops.
Interesting. I have two. I don't think either of them is good as that but I have two. First off
was when I bought my orange FRS. First bought an FRS. I bought that car. The guy that was
working at the dealer had just started working as a car salesman. He'd been in sales elsewhere
and it was clear that somebody had told him, here are the tactics we use in this process.
So while I knew I wanted the car and I knew I could afford the car and I knew we were going to get
to a price somewhat close to what was on the windshield. We had to do the entire dance.
We even did the slip of paper where I write this on a random piece of paper on my desk and I write
this number and I circle it and I'll take it to my boss if you'll sign by that. I was like,
are we really, at one point I said to him, I said, are we really going to do all the steps?
Because it felt like he was working off a playbook. He was new to it. It was like, okay, so we got it,
okay, so we checked that box. Again, I was there all day for a process that ultimately was straight
forward but he just kept me in like, so who's remodeling now? Okay, I'll go over there. There was that one,
the second one. I want to remind people as well. I've said this before. Never
avoid buying a car because the dealer experiences bad. It's like a bad first date on a marriage that
will be happy, okay? So don't judge the car by the dealer experience. Just expect it may be bad
and you'll get through it and that's just today and it's a terrible Saturday and we'll move on.
The other one I had was actually getting the Amira, which I have to give credit to Gator Motorsports
in Indiana because they worked really hard to get me that car and I have to give credit to the person
that originally owned ordered it and was going to own it and actually asked if I wanted to take it
over. The reason that was difficult is because you're not supposed to do these steps. That's why I was
hard. So I had the car originally offered to me almost a year before I got it. It was that long.
It was. It was crazy and I was like, oh, that's cool. Let's do this and I was like, what on earth
is going on here? Can we afford it? All these kind of things. But then when we got to
competition with the dealer, the dealer was like, nope, can't do it because Lotus, if we do that,
if we let anybody take anybody else's order slot, they're going to not give us any allotment.
And Gator Motorsports is a really well-known US Lotus dealer. So they were like, we cannot take a risk,
which I totally understand. I respect him for it, but they were like, no, cannot do it. Fast forward
to the beginning of last year, when they made these cars, shipped them, but because of the car
regulations, they hadn't released a single one to anybody that was a buyer. So the cars now exist.
They have come into being and they have vins, but they're just sitting on a warehouse collecting
dust. So the process changes. I get in on that process. The back and forth of just paperwork
and what are we doing was just extensive because we're doing this weird, you hand off to me thing
because the original guy that was going to buy it had a deposit. So now I have to do a deposit,
but we have to connect it to a vign that already exists, which maybe connected to him. It was just,
it was just like, let's move papers around the desk, okay, and it was all digital.
And then when it was, I can't express this to you well enough, when it was, it was done.
Everything was done. I got a call from the dealer who said, by the way, your financing fell
through. And I was like, how on earth? Because I'd had perfectly normal conversations about all
the financing. There'd been no problems. I was like, pre-approved when we got there.
So to get a call two days later, we were in the middle of a press launch, by the way. We were out of
town on a press launch and I'm on the phone and I get this call. And the great guy that dealer was
like, yeah, your financing fell through. And I said, why? Excuse me now. And he said, I'm not sure yet.
I was like, what? So I was like, well, call me back when you know. So we, because I even talked
through again on everything he needed. He asked me some more questions. He's like, I'll get back to you.
Next time he called me, he's like, no, no, we're fine. I was like, so what was that two hours?
So anyway, so that thank God the car showed up. I actually drove it today. It is brilliant and
there'll be much more content coming on that car. But it was just that one was weird not because
of anything other than just, I've never done this step before. And we got there.
Yeah, I'm also reminded of when you were selling your 9-2X. Yeah.
You weren't taking it seriously. What I'm about to say, but you took it to CarMax just to see
what it would give you. I did. Yes. And it was hilariously low number. I don't remember what it was.
It was less than a thousand dollars. It was scrap metal prices. It was like what?
And I'm leaving. Yes, exactly. Another one from our discord. Thank you guys so much for being
Patrons. Mark the Watchman says, is a car ever made you emotional while driving it?
Yeah. Yeah. The one for me. And here's, look, I also have to think about this. I've had a lot of
moments when I've been very emotional in the car. Some of them on camera. Let's be honest, because
we've done some amazing life experiences. And I'm always thrilled when A touches me or B I can
share that. That's really cool. And I can't believe the stuff that cars have let us do
on this show. And I'm thankful for you guys for watching, for listening. I'm very, very thankful
of that. And I hold it very tenderly. I feel like a better way to put it because I value it a lot.
And I'm amazed by it. But the car itself doing it is different. Because I've had a lot of moments
when the car was cool, but this whole experience is the thing. I have to say that any time I drive a
Jaguar E type, it is so connected to the core of the beginning of my understanding of cars.
And my father, who's not really a car guy, that's the place where he was a car person. It's a place
that affected me so much. I don't ever drive those cars and think, I want to push this as much as I
can. I just, I just want to be here. Yeah. It's very cool. I actually have two that came to my mind.
And one of them was, it wasn't the E type, but it was on that same trip. The 914 we had from
Rio. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That same trip. Day two. So it was the day after we had our van broken into
and we lost everything. It was a very emotional time. It was an emotional tense weekend for sure. Yeah.
We had just reshot everything we had shot the day prior. Standing at the same place. In the same
exact place. It was the, it was such days of view. It was unbelievable. It might as well have been
groundhog day. Yes, for sure. Keep going. Anyway, I was riding back in the town with Paul in the 914.
And we were at the, the bridge, the toll booth at the bridge. Sure. Yeah. And Paul just blasted
through it, rolled through the gears. We got through like fourth gear. Love it. And that the noise
that car made and the induction and just, just the experience of, okay, this, this has made it all
worth it. That was, that was a really cool, just, you know, flip of the moment of the, of the
scenario that we've been put in. Yeah. That's cool. That trip. And the other one was, you know,
I worked at Kirkham for a while. I've always liked Cobras and Daytona Coups. And those are,
those have been my favorite cars for a long time. Cobras were my dad's favorite car for a long time.
They probably, I think they still are. When we got to drive the Haggerty Daytona Coup, the factory
five of PCH, it was, I had a double, double whammy in one. I always wanted to drive PCH and big,
shirt, big sir. Uh-huh. And I'm doing it in a Daytona Coup. Ooh. And it was just at sunset driving
back in the town, the noise, the, the views. It was, we weren't going fast. Yeah. But it was just,
this is just an amazing like pinch me kind of moment. That's one of those. It was just really,
really cool. That's awesome. That's very cool. Jumping to Facebook questions, Daniel has multiple.
I'm going to answer one of me says, what is our favorite shift pattern or number of gears for
a manual? It's got to be a six speed. Six, yeah. On five, I'm always waiting for more. On seven,
I'm like, what is this doing here? It's, it's got to be six. And four is, four is a joke, four is
old cars. So I'm not going with four. But, but the end to the other half of that question,
favorite shift pattern. I mean, eight, of course, for manuals. Yeah. But for, if it's like a sequential
or a paddle shift car, when it's, you know, on the floor still, it's got to be pulled back for
upshift and forward for downshift. It has to be that way, not sideways, not forward for upshift.
It has to be that way. There's a lot of oddities going on there. There's a lot of what were you
thinking? Oh, we'll get to do it better. No, you're not. Stop it. Yeah. I get that.
Seth Kleinman on Facebook says, generally speaking, GoPro driving footage taken from the windshield
does not accurately reflect the speed involved. What's the best amount to speed it up if any,
so that the video recently conveys the speed without looking too fake? Well, Seth, first off,
I am a big believer in anything sped up looks fake. I have to say that. Having said it, you can
probably get away with about a 20% ramp and probably get away with it. Now, if you know what to look
for, you're going to see frames jump as it tries to recalculate that in post, but 20% seems to hold up
okay, but I'll give you another trick. Shoot wider on the GoPro. That's what I was just going to say.
Shoot wider. Yeah, because we, we find to be shoot super wide and Matt Fair approved this with his
one takes, but we see it a lot when we do our rear cam that looks past us in the front seats. If
you're in a small-ish car and you shoot really wide with a rear cam, what you'll notice is the
edges of the frame on the wide angle. That's what shows you speed. The center never seems to,
but the way how fast stuff is going by on the extreme edges, you can actually be like, well,
they're gone pretty quick, but you have to have that wide angle. Yeah, you can really see it on
rally car footage. Those cars aren't going, I mean, they're going fast. Don't get me wrong. They're
not going as fast as you think they are, but they're on this tight, windy, one lane road,
and things are just flying past the camera because it's such a wide angle. Sure, that's a great point.
Jeremy H asks on Facebook, what now retired models would you like to see return in a modern
iteration? For him, it was always the Shelby Cobra. AC has tried to resurrect the car and they kind
of have, but that car is so expensive, it's unobtainable. He'd also like to see Mustang or Ford
try to make a modern roadster with classic cues kind of like a Mustang. So I've always liked to see
a Mustang that's shrank down like 20 percent. Sure, yeah. Think of a Mustang like super sized
would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. But the Shelby is great. I think the Jaguar F-Type is actually a great,
it's kind of a modernized e-type, but when it's got the V8, it's a modern Cobra too. Interesting,
okay. It's a small two-seat roadster, at least the convertibles were of course, and the V8,
I mean, it's automatic only with a V8, but it's 500 horsepower, and it's just a scream and monster.
Excellent. That's good. Teeth and cars on Instagram says, and I'm probably going to get hate mail
for this, but I'm going to tackle it anyway. Enter any better handling 2 plus 2s than a 991.1
under $60,000, and my short answer is, yes, $60,000, you can do a 997 911, which I would rather drive
than a 991. You can do a Evora, which I'd rather drive than a 991, but that's also 2 plus 2.
I don't know how much you want to use the seats, and here's my brief caveat. The 991 is the first 9-11
where the back seats got like, oh, I could sit there. Yeah. Because the car got bigger. Now,
the fact that the car got bigger is the reason I don't like it as much. Okay, so there's that,
but so I don't know how much you need to use the 2 plus 2 back seats, but yeah, Evora does it.
The 997 911 does it. You could go back to 996. You could go classic 911s, but the truth is all
of those are more than 60 grand. The M2, you should at least drive. I'll consider the M2.
Yeah, M2. I don't know that you're going to like it more, but it's totally agree, totally agree,
but it's worth the conversation and it's worth the drive. And then I also have to say it,
the 86 or the BRZ better handling 86 or BRZ. I was going to add either the GT350 or Mach
1. I think that's bigger. Yeah, I think that's a judgment car on what you like in handling.
It depends on how you like handling. The GT350, if you want to go back to
Motor Trend's best driver's car competition they used to do. That car took second to a McLaren.
So excellent car. Very fun to drive. And at that point, you have to start talking about some of
the one LE models of the Camaro, because they handled really well as well. Now, you're talking
about bad visibility, but also, I do wonder if part of what you're liking about the 9-11
is the lighter front end. And so you might not get that out of those muscle cars, but you're
right chance. You can't argue with the actual sheer handling of them, but I do think you've got
options there for sure. The last one for me, Bullwacker on Discord asks, is there ever been a car
where you thought one thing about it in the first 15 minutes and then completely changed
your mind with more seat time? For me, I think the the a launcher end was one that did it for me.
I've always kind of had the we when we first reviewed that car, we put it with the Civic Type R.
Sure. Yeah. And the Civic Type R is such a race car of a car. It can be calmed down,
but it is such a race car of a car. It's sharp. It's direct. It breaks. Yeah. I mean, all the stuff
that I want, but then the launcher end compared to the Type R, I mean, it had it had
all the steering. What do you call it? Torx steer. It had more torque steer than I thought I'd
want. It had, it's a Hyundai. So you've got kind of badge perception and you've got the snortiness
and it's fine. But then the more you drive it, it's like, this was actually a really good car,
especially for the money. And the torque steer kind of goes away after a minute or so and it's just
the way the car moves around under you. It's just a really great value proposition of a front-wheel drive
sporty car. That's excellent. I really like that. I'm going to jump right here. We've got
drivers DNA wants to do an off-road track daily crush. The Porsche 911 Dakar, you know, where this
is going, the Lamborghini Storado, and because we just reviewed it, the Ram R-H-O track daily crush.
Those don't really compete. Well, two of them compete like they go together. And based on that
reality, I think I'm actually going to say that I'm crushing the Ram. I like the Ram. It is my guilty
pleasure track. What kind of track are we on here, though? Are we on a road course? I'm assuming
that it's going to have to be a dirt course of some kind just because of the things that we're
comparing. Yeah. But I would daily the 911 and I would dirt track the Storado. Yeah. Okay,
let's flip a switch, though. If it was the speed Vegas off-road course. See, I still think I
do that. I still think I trust the R-H-O. Absolutely. Why not? Let's jump the Storado. Let's get out
there. Let's get that done. I love it. Nice. Thank you guys for joining us.
Chance, thank you for joining me, man. Of course. Yeah. I really appreciate having you here.
Paul will be back next time. We've got a lot more podcast as we count down our way to the 1,000th
end-in-case. You didn't catch it. We're doing that at Coda. That is May 31st. That night Saturday
night, we're going to do our 1,000th podcasting from Vidon. We're going to be once a week and video
between now and then we are counting down toward that by posting our old live video episodes on our
Everyday Driver YouTube channel. That's why those are dropping every Tuesday right now.
Also, be sure you watched Paul's car reveal. I hate to say reveal. It's the same car, just different.
Anyway, the reveal video is out. He has a lot of fun with that car. It is gorgeous. I'm excited
to see that more. That will also be at Coda if you'd like to see that car. It is really, really awesome.
So we're really thankful to have you guys. Again, Everyday Driver TV, a Gmail is the place to write
us with anything that's on your mind. We'd love to hear it. We'd love to have you on our adventures.
We have besides Coda, we have a Park City drive days happening in late June. Sorry, late July.
That's coming up very soon. It's going to all be Park City based drive days. We're going to have
some nice hangout, some cool stuff that's not in the car plus we're going to do all of our greatest hits
roads that we film on. That's coming. Again, late July. So look for that sign up. Then in mid September,
we're going to go back to Beartooth Highway. That's going to be another incredible thing. That's just
the Everyday Driver stuff. Let alone hooked on driving is doing a few track days nationwide. We'd
love to have you somewhere. We're traveling all over this year. We'd love to see you and thank
you guys for being with us. I have to say it because Paul always says it. We're looking forward
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