AAH #789 - Remanufacturing Unlocks Profits and Slashes Carbon Footprints
About this episode
The conversation centers on remanufacturing as a profitable, standardized industrial process that can cut costs and carbon while extending the life of complex parts. The guests contrast reman with basic rebuilding, explain how core returns and reverse logistics support the business, and argue that designing for remanufacturing should start early in development. The discussion also widens to OEM strategy, with examples from Stellantis, GM, and Ford, plus a warning that Chinese competition and weak long-term planning could reshape the industry.
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engines
"...steering with a break, helpers things at that. But of course engines, transmissions, a lot of dry train axles..."
Engines are one of the major categories of remanufactured components discussed. Remanufactured engines are rebuilt to restore internal wear items (like bearings and cylinder surfaces) so the unit can perform like a new engine.
rotating
"Yeah, traditionally you know, rotating what you go like if you go back in history, auderators and water pumps and things that that were very popular..."
In this context, “rotating” refers to rotating components that are commonly remanufactured, such as alternators and water pumps. These parts wear internally but can be rebuilt and rebalanced to restore proper operation.
water pumps
"...rotating what you go like if you go back in history, auderators and water pumps and things that that were very popular..."
A water pump moves coolant around the engine so it doesn’t overheat. Since it wears out over time, it can often be rebuilt and sold as a remanufactured part.
A water pump circulates coolant through the engine to control temperature. Because it’s a wear-and-service component, it’s commonly remanufactured by rebuilding internal seals, bearings, and impellers to restore cooling performance.
transmissions
"...But of course engines, transmissions, a lot of dry train axles, a lot of those parts are rebuilt today and re manufactured."
A transmission transfers power from the engine to the drivetrain and manages gear ratios. The episode notes that transmissions are rebuilt via remanufacturing, typically replacing worn internal components to restore shifting and durability.
axles
"...transmissions, a lot of dry train axles, a lot of those parts are rebuilt today and re manufactured."
Axles transmit torque from the drivetrain to the wheels. The episode mentions that axle components are among the drivetrain parts that can be rebuilt through remanufacturing to restore strength and proper operation.
end of the Second World War
"And you were saying that the whole remanned business really came out of the end of the Second World War. So yeah, so if you think about at the end of the Second."
They’re saying remanufacturing became common after World War II. When new parts were scarce, rebuilding used parts was a practical solution.
The episode claims the remanufacturing business “came out of” the end of World War II. Historically, post-war shortages encouraged rebuilding used parts instead of producing everything new, which helped normalize remanufacturing.
remanufactured
"So when as cars at the end of the World War two, when cars are shorting age, they're starting to fail, they remnufactured kind of was born at that point to try to take cars and you remnufacture rebuild them, they called at that time, and so they can get their cars running again because new new parts weren't available."
Remanufacturing means a company takes an old part, takes it apart, fixes or replaces what’s worn out, and puts it back together so it works like new. It’s often cheaper and can be more sustainable than making a brand-new part.
Remanufacturing is the process of taking a used automotive part, disassembling it, inspecting it, replacing worn components, and rebuilding it to meet performance/spec targets. In this episode, it’s described as a way to keep vehicles running when brand-new parts aren’t available.
ZF
"So I mean, so does ZF have like a factory or I mean where do you do this? Yeah, so globally, you know, we have twenty factories that are involved with remanufacturing all over the world."
ZF is a company that supplies parts to carmakers—especially drivetrain components like transmissions. In this segment, they’re talking about where ZF rebuilds/remakes used parts.
ZF is a major automotive supplier that makes transmissions and other driveline components. Here, the host asks where ZF remanufactures parts, and the guest explains they operate multiple remanufacturing factories worldwide.
remanufacturing over the world
"So so general, that's what we're spread out where our customers are, and that's why we're remnufacturing over the world."
They’re saying remanufacturing isn’t just one factory—it’s done in multiple places around the world. The goal is to be closer to customers so shipping and waste are reduced.
The guest frames remanufacturing as a global network of facilities designed to be close to customers. This is presented as both a business strategy and a sustainability approach.
dealer networks
"...so that one of the remnufactured parts go through the dealer networks, whether that's on the road that could be you know, even our off highway so or it could be commercial vehicles."
A dealer network is the chain of car dealerships that sell parts and do service for a brand. The episode is saying remanufactured parts can be sold through those same dealership channels.
Dealer networks are the network of authorized dealerships that sell and service vehicles and parts. The guest explains that remanufactured parts can flow through these dealer channels for on-road vehicles and other categories.
service customers
"So like we have we have service, so our our OI customers or we call our O service customers, like the primary vehicle manufacturers is one of our biggest customers..."
Here, “service customers” means businesses that supply parts for fixing and maintaining vehicles. It’s not about building new cars—it’s about repairing cars already on the road.
In this context, “service customers” refers to customers who need parts for vehicle service and repair rather than for original assembly. The guest says remanufactured parts go through dealer networks for these service channels.
gaskets
"...I mean strip the whole thing down. All the gaskets, all the seals get replaced."
Gaskets are sealing components used to prevent leaks between engine/transmission housing surfaces. The guest says remanufacturing replaces gaskets and seals as part of restoring the unit to proper sealing performance.
seals
"...All the gaskets, all the seals get replaced. If there's been updated parts since it was first manufactured, engineering updates against the updated parts."
Seals are components that keep fluids (like transmission fluid) from leaking out of moving or pressurized areas. The episode notes that remanufacturing replaces seals to address wear and restore leak-free operation.
engineering updates
"If there's been updated parts since it was first manufactured, engineering updates against the updated parts. Put it all back together..."
Engineering updates are design or parts revisions made after the original manufacturing date to improve durability, performance, or reliability. The guest explains that if updated parts exist, the remanufacturing process incorporates those revisions.
seven and a half minute test
"...Put it all back together, you go through what a seven and a half minute test. Is not what the factory does when they build them new, right, they don't have the time to do a seven and a half minute test."
After a remanufactured transmission is rebuilt, it gets run through a longer check to make sure it works properly. New parts can be tested faster because the manufacturer assumes components are already within spec.
This describes a specific end-of-line functional test duration used during remanufacturing to verify the rebuilt unit performs correctly. The guest contrasts it with the shorter testing time used for brand-new builds.
disassemble completely clean this somewhere you saw some of our washing machines and our beat blasting machines
"...To go through a full re manufacturing, you know, disassemble completely clean this somewhere you saw some of our washing machines and our beat blasting machines right to make it look like new."
The guest describes remanufacturing steps that include full disassembly and cleaning using equipment like washing machines and blast blasting (media blasting). These processes help remove contaminants and old residue before inspection and reassembly.
salvage
"But we try. You know, the goal is the salvage as much material as possible... In re manufacturing, though, we salvage a lot more embedded energy..."
In this context, “salvage” means recovering usable material and components from a used core during remanufacturing. The episode emphasizes salvaging both the material itself and the manufacturing work already done (like casting, forming, and machining).
embedded energy
"Yeah, going to that a little bit more detail, what you call the embedded energy... In re manufacturing, though, we salvage a lot more embedded energy..."
Embedded energy is the energy that already went into making a part—like mining the materials and processing them. Remanufacturing can save a lot of that energy because it reuses the original part instead of melting everything down.
Embedded energy is the total energy used to make a product in the first place, including upstream steps like extracting raw materials and manufacturing processes. The episode argues remanufacturing preserves more of that “already spent” energy than recycling, because it doesn’t require fully breaking the material down and starting over.
recycling
"So the advantage of like if you look compared with just say, everybody knows where recycling is right. Recycling is you you turn your popcins or whatever at your curb..."
Recycling usually means you take used materials and process them so they can be remade into something else. The hosts are saying remanufacturing can be better for carbon savings because it keeps more of the original part intact.
Recycling typically means collecting used materials and processing them into a raw or “base” form before making something new. In the segment, recycling is contrasted with remanufacturing to show why remanufacturing can retain more of the original manufacturing energy and materials.
Class eight trucks
"...you reman an error compressor for Class eight trucks that had..."
Class eight trucks are the biggest, heaviest-duty trucks on the road—think long-haul or heavy work. The hosts are saying the remanufactured part they discussed is for that kind of truck.
“Class eight” refers to the heaviest category in the U.S. truck weight classification system (typically heavy-duty tractors and vocational trucks). The segment uses it to describe the type of vehicle that remanufactured components are intended for.
CO2 equivalent
"It's preciually sixty percent less Sea two equivalent, we call it."
CO2 equivalent is a way to put different greenhouse gases on the same scale by converting their impact into “how much CO2 they’re like.” It helps you compare emissions fairly across different gases.
CO2 equivalent (often written as “CO2e”) is a way to compare the climate impact of different greenhouse gases using a common baseline of carbon dioxide. The episode uses it to quantify how much total warming impact is avoided by remanufacturing versus producing new.
alternator
"Well, a properly re manufactured part is essentially new because if you look at a transmission or alternator, the case never wears out right, it's the stuff inside..."
An alternator is the electrical generator in a vehicle that charges the battery and powers the car’s electrical systems. The episode’s point is that in a properly remanufactured alternator, the case can often be reused while internal components are replaced.
rebuilt
"Rebuilt is something you know, lower than Reman re manufacturing. You know, they'll take it apart, like clean it, they'll measure everything, they'll put it that, all the wear parts will be replaced..."
In this context, “rebuilt” describes a less comprehensive repair standard than remanufacturing. The speaker contrasts it with reman by noting rebuilt work often replaces only certain wear items and may not include full teardown, measurement of every component, or updated design changes.
limited replacement
"So you know, in a rebuild there's typically there's we'll say limited replacement. You're if you go to an engine, you replaced the piston rings. You're looking to pistons, probably try to keep those."
“Limited replacement” means they only swap out the parts that are most worn. Instead of rebuilding everything from scratch, they keep some major components and replace the smaller wear items.
“Limited replacement” describes a rebuild approach where only certain components are replaced based on wear, rather than replacing everything that could be worn. The speaker gives the example of replacing piston rings while trying to keep pistons, and only replacing some seals, gaskets, and bearings.
piston rings
"...if you go to an engine, you replaced the piston rings. You're looking to pistons, probably try to keep those."
Piston rings are small metal rings on the piston that help seal the engine. If they wear out, the engine can lose compression and start burning oil, so rebuilds often replace them.
Piston rings are sealing components on an engine’s pistons that help control oil and combustion gases. During an engine rebuild, replacing piston rings is a common way to restore compression and reduce oil consumption.
tearing it all the way down
"...but you're not stripping it all the way apart. You're not tearing it all the way down like you saw our plant."
This phrase means taking the whole unit apart completely. The idea is that a full teardown lets the shop measure and replace more worn parts than a partial repair.
“Tearing it all the way down” describes a full teardown rebuild process where the unit is disassembled completely for inspection. The speaker uses it to contrast remanufacturing (complete teardown and measurement) with more limited rebuilds.
standardized industrial process
"...versus going into a plant like a standardized industrial process, where you're taking that completely. You're looking at every single part. We measure every single part."
This means the remanufacturing is done with a consistent, factory-like method. Instead of a one-off repair, they follow the same steps every time to check parts and rebuild them reliably.
A “standardized industrial process” refers to a repeatable, factory-style remanufacturing workflow. The speaker emphasizes that it includes measuring every part, replacing rubber components/seals, and using consistent quality controls rather than one-off garage rebuilding.
rubber parts
"Of course, we get rid of all the rubber parts, typically all the seals and things, but we reduse a wide of materials also and then introduce new..."
“Rubber parts” are things like seals and other flexible components. They wear out over time, so remanufacturing usually replaces them to reduce the chance of future leaks.
In remanufacturing, “rubber parts” typically refers to seals, hoses, and other elastomer components that degrade with heat and time. The speaker notes these are usually removed/replaced as part of the reman process to improve long-term durability.
carbon footprints
"AAH #789 - Remanufacturing Unlocks Profits and Slashes Carbon Footprints"
A carbon footprint is basically how much pollution (greenhouse gases) is created by making something. Rebuilding old parts can lower that because you don’t have to make everything from scratch.
A carbon footprint is a measure of greenhouse-gas emissions associated with a product or process. Remanufacturing can reduce emissions by reusing materials and avoiding the energy-intensive steps of producing brand-new parts.
end of life
"It's really really important for end of life because the biggest problem we have is trying to maintain building parts our customers... between ten and fifteen years after production ends, but our highway customers... twenty five years."
“End of life” refers to the period after a vehicle or component is no longer in production. For parts supply, it’s challenging because demand continues for years, but original manufacturing capacity and supplier availability may disappear.
specialized computer chips
"And if you get in electronics, it's impossible issue because you does a lot of those specialized computer chips aren't available..."
These are the unique computer parts inside modern vehicles and machines. If they stop being made, it becomes hard to build replacement electronics years later.
Specialized computer chips are electronic components designed for specific functions in vehicles and industrial equipment. The episode highlights that these chips can be unavailable long after production ends, making new-part manufacturing difficult or impossible.
salvaging
"Remail electronics, where you're basically your electronics, you could be... Savaging ninety eight nine nine percent of the material... You're only going after the parts... either the effective or need to be replaced."
In this context, “salvaging” means recovering usable material or components from returned cores rather than discarding everything. The speaker emphasizes high salvage rates as a key driver of both cost and sustainability outcomes.
rare earth minerals
"So you're literally on salvaging chips... you're salvaging rare earth minerals out of magnets in the. Light exactly exactly..."
Rare earth minerals are special materials used in things like magnets and electronics. If a remanufacturer can recover them from old parts, it reduces waste and helps secure supply.
Rare earth minerals are a group of elements used in high-performance electronics and magnets. In remanufacturing/recycling, they’re valuable because they can be recovered from components like magnet assemblies when new supply is constrained.
remanufacturing vs recyclers
"we compete a over with the recyclers, and that's sometimes the trick is that the recyclers won't my core is also because they're trying to sell that stuff. And I'm like, I always tell the guys, just wait your turn..."
They talk about how rebuilding parts and recycling parts can overlap. Sometimes the same old parts get diverted to recycling instead of being rebuilt.
The hosts discuss how remanufacturers compete with recyclers for returned parts and materials. The key tension is that recyclers may extract and sell materials, while remanufacturers need cores in a condition that can be rebuilt multiple times.
cores
"Speaker 6: “...the cores we work with our customers back. So like in a lot of stuff, there's two places that cores are coming through...”"
A “core” is the old, used part you bring back so it can be rebuilt. Think of it like returning the old transmission casing so the shop can reuse what’s still good and replace what’s worn out.
In remanufacturing, a “core” is the used transmission (or other major component) that’s returned for rebuilding. The core is the raw material for the remanufacturing process—its housing and many parts may be reused after inspection and refurbishment.
remnufacturing service
"Speaker 6: “...they provide the course to us to re manufacture, and then we give them back. So in theory we're providing kind of a remnufacturing service.”"
Remanufacturing means taking a used part, taking it apart, fixing or replacing the worn pieces, and putting it back together to work like a replacement. It’s usually cheaper and can be more environmentally friendly than making a brand-new part.
Remanufacturing is the process of rebuilding a worn component to meet specifications, typically by disassembling it, inspecting it, replacing worn parts, and reassembling it. In this episode, the remanufacturing service is centered on transmissions, where the returned cores are rebuilt and then sent back to customers.
replacement components
"Speaker 6: “...in some cases the parts may come from the original that we supplier if it's not our design parts. So it's important to have a source for those replacement components.”"
Replacement components are the individual pieces inside the transmission that get replaced during rebuilding. They’re important because the remanufacturer needs the right parts to make the rebuilt unit work properly.
Replacement components are the specific internal parts that are swapped during remanufacturing when the original parts are worn, damaged, or not reusable. The episode emphasizes the need for reliable sourcing of these replacement parts.
reverse logistics
"Speaker 6: “Generally, the reverse logistics is pretty complicated, but we try to make it as easy as possible get the parts back.”"
Reverse logistics is the “return process” for parts—getting the old core back to the company that rebuilds it. It can be complicated because the company has to receive, sort, and process the returned parts.
Reverse logistics is the system for moving products and materials back the other way—here, getting returned cores from customers back to the remanufacturer. It’s often more complex than normal shipping because it involves returns, tracking, inspection, and timing.
core charges
"Speaker 6: “You've heard of court charges like as buying a remap part. You always have a court charge and when you give the used part back, you get your money back.”"
A core charge is a deposit-like fee you pay when you buy a rebuilt part. If you send your old part back, you get that money back.
A core charge is an extra fee added when you buy a remanufactured part, intended to ensure you return the old core. When the used core is returned in acceptable condition, the core charge is refunded—similar to a deposit.
torque converter
"...which is four hp, twenty two of ZF one hundred and fifty bucks and that's with the TORQ converter."
A torque converter is part of an automatic transmission that uses fluid to transfer power from the engine to the gearbox. It’s included in the transmission package they’re talking about.
A torque converter is a fluid coupling in many automatic transmissions that transfers engine power to the transmission while allowing the engine to keep running smoothly at low speeds. The episode notes the used transmission price “with the TORQ converter,” meaning the converter is included in the package.
repair kits
"...some of our parts are available. We sell summer parts as repair kits, so that is available for people to buy and do their own things."
Repair kits are pre-packaged sets of components sold for fixing a specific part, often allowing a shop or DIY customer to rebuild a unit without buying a complete remanufactured assembly. The episode says some parts are sold as repair kits for people to do their own work.
spray and pray guys
"By the way, they say, you know, we we call these guys spray and pray guys, so they just spray water on them and clean it off and then pray that it works for the next guy."
“Spray and pray” is a joking insult for sloppy rebuilding—basically cleaning things quickly and hoping they’ll work. It implies the work isn’t thorough enough to be reliable.
“Spray and pray” is a derogatory phrase for low-quality reman/rebuild practices where someone does minimal cleaning or inspection and hopes the part works. The speaker contrasts this with proper remanufacturing that should be based on inspection and rebuilding to standards.
four speeds
"So my old those old four speeds went out the production in like the late nineties and were replaced by sixes and now there's eight and nines."
“Four speeds” means the transmission has four forward gears. Newer cars often use more gears (like 6, 8, or 9) to improve smoothness and efficiency.
“Four speeds” refers to an automatic transmission with four forward gear ratios. The speaker is contrasting older four-speed designs with newer six-, eight-, and nine-speed transmissions, which can keep the engine operating closer to its most efficient range.
eight and nines
"...were replaced by sixes and now there's eight and nines."
“Eight and nines” means the transmission has 8 or 9 forward gears. More gears can help the car feel smoother and use fuel more efficiently, but the transmission is more complex.
“Eight and nines” refers to eight-speed and nine-speed transmissions. These higher-gear-count designs can improve drivability and efficiency by offering finer steps between gear ratios, though they can be more complex to service.
sixes
"So my old those old four speeds went out the production in like the late nineties and were replaced by sixes and now there's eight and nines."
“Sixes” means the transmission has six forward gears. With more gears, the car can usually match engine speed to driving conditions more smoothly.
“Sixes” refers to six-speed transmissions, which add more gear ratios than four-speed units. More gears can help the transmission keep the engine in a better operating zone for both acceleration and fuel economy.
bench builds
"...and then you saw almost what looks like bench builds or very low volume like we're doing maybe three or four a year..."
“Bench builds” means rebuilding rare units in smaller numbers, more like careful hands-on assembly than a factory line. It’s used when there aren’t enough cars to justify mass production.
“Bench builds” describes low-volume, more custom rebuild work done on a bench rather than through high-throughput production lines. It’s often used for rare or specialty transmissions where demand doesn’t justify full-scale automation.
high volume
"You saw in our shop like Sammy Lines for the high volume stuff, and then you saw almost what looks like bench builds or very low volume..."
“High volume” means they rebuild a lot of the same type of transmission. Doing it repeatedly helps them streamline the work and keep costs down.
“High volume” refers to remanufacturing at scale, where many units of the same transmission model are rebuilt. Scale can make it easier to source parts, standardize processes, and reduce per-unit cost.
specialized remnufacturing plants in Germany
"I think we have specialized remnufacturing plants in Germany to handle specialty stuff like you're talking about."
They’re saying there are specialized rebuild facilities in Germany that focus on harder-to-find or specialty transmission parts. Instead of trying to do everything everywhere, they send the work to the experts.
The speaker describes specialized remanufacturing facilities in Germany that handle older or specialty components. The key idea is that some parts supply chains and expertise are maintained through dedicated plants rather than general in-house operations.
DFMA design for manufacturing and assembly
"...They're very good at DFMA design for manufacturing and assembly, but not for disassembly or Remand..."
DFMA is a design method that helps engineers make parts easier to build and easier to assemble. The point here is that it’s great for making cars, but it doesn’t automatically help when you need to take parts apart later.
DFMA stands for “Design for Manufacturing and Assembly.” It’s an engineering approach that reduces cost and complexity by making parts easier and cheaper to produce and put together. The speaker contrasts it with the need for similar thinking for disassembly and remanufacturing.
designing for disassembly
"...especially in engineering, talk about designing for disassembly and remanufacture. They're very good at DFMA design for manufacturing and assembly, but not for disassembly or Remand..."
It means building a car part so it can be taken apart easily later. That makes it simpler to reuse good pieces instead of throwing everything away.
“Designing for disassembly” means engineering products so they can be taken apart efficiently at end-of-life or for repair. In automotive terms, it helps remanufacturing by making it easier to separate reusable parts from worn ones.
designed for remanufacturing
"ZAPF has to be designed for remanufacturing... Because what we found is that when you look at design for environment..."
This means designing a part so it’s practical to rebuild later. If it’s easier to take apart and repair, remanufactured parts can be cheaper and better for the environment.
“Designed for remanufacturing” means engineering parts so they can be efficiently rebuilt—typically by enabling disassembly, using materials and fasteners that can be reused, and planning for inspection and replacement. The speaker frames it as a requirement that automakers can push onto suppliers to reduce costs and improve sustainability.
design for environment
"...when you look at design for environment, which would could design for sustainable design for remnufacturing..."
This means engineers consider environmental impact while designing a part, not just after it’s built. Here, they’re saying the best time to think about it is during the design stage.
“Design for environment” refers to designing products with environmental impacts in mind across their lifecycle—materials, energy use, and end-of-life handling. In this segment, it’s used to argue that environmental benefits should be tied to remanufacturing-friendly design early in the design process.
life cycle
"...like eighty percent of the of the inputs of that occurre at to begin the life cycle the design cycles..."
Life cycle just means the whole timeline of the product—from making it to using it and eventually getting rid of it. The point is that early design choices have big effects later.
A product’s “life cycle” is the full timeline from raw materials and manufacturing through use, maintenance, and end-of-life. The speaker argues that many inputs affecting sustainability are determined early in the design cycle, so remanufacturing considerations must be built in up front.
OE engineering
"...What that forces my OE engineering guys to do..."
OE engineering is the team at the car company that designs the original parts for new vehicles. The point is that if remanufacturing is required, they have to design with future rebuilding in mind.
“OE engineering” refers to original equipment (OE) engineering—the automaker’s engineering group responsible for the parts as they’re first designed for production. In the segment, the speaker says remanufacturing requirements force OE engineers to consider end-of-life reuse.
service parts business
"...the service parts business is extraordinarily profitable for the car companies..."
Service parts are the replacement parts sold for repairs after a car is already on the road. The discussion is about how important (and profitable) that business is for car companies.
The “service parts business” is the aftermarket/after-sales supply of replacement components used for repairs and maintenance. The segment highlights how profitable it can be for automakers, and why designing parts for disassembly/remanufacture could reduce costs.
EBIT
"...one of the automakers in town makes twenty percent of their EBIT on service parts. Two billion dollars a year..."
EBIT is a way to measure how profitable a business is from its core operations. It’s like “profit before the extra stuff” like interest and taxes.
EBIT stands for “Earnings Before Interest and Taxes.” It’s a profitability metric that shows operating earnings before financing costs and tax effects. The speaker uses it to quantify how much profit automakers can make from service parts.
insurance costs
"...which means that dealerships could offer lower priced components, i e. Repair costs go down, brings insurance costs down..."
They’re saying if repairs cost less, insurance claims may cost less too. That can help keep insurance prices down.
The segment links lower repair component costs to “insurance costs,” implying that cheaper parts and repairs can reduce claims payouts. It’s presented as a downstream benefit of designing parts for disassembly and remanufacture.
design cycle
"Yeah, it's for surely the earlier you had tackle this in the design cycle, the west cost it is to the point that it may be west costa."
The “design cycle” is the timeline and steps engineers follow to create a car part. Changing things early is usually cheaper than changing them after the design is locked in.
The “design cycle” is the sequence of steps automakers go through to develop a vehicle or component—concept, engineering, testing, and production readiness. The point here is that decisions made earlier are cheaper to change, so planning for remanufacturing early can reduce cost impact later.
warranty production
"So I for warranty production. I mean a lot of the automakers do it for warranty production."
“Warranty production” refers to making replacement parts intended to be used when customers’ vehicles are covered under warranty. The speaker’s claim is that many automakers already do this, and that reman parts can be staged so returned failures feed the warranty and engineering loops.
failure mode data
"You can go through your process. You can collect all that failure mode data and get it back to your design community and help them reduce a warranty."
Failure mode data is information about how and why parts fail (the “mode” of failure). Here, the speaker says that collecting returned reman parts from warranty returns lets the company analyze failures and share findings with the design team to reduce future warranty claims.
electronics program
"My former company, we had an electronics program by monitoring Reman. With that program, we were able to reduce waranty by eight hundred send in the first year."
An “electronics program” is an organized project to track problems with electronic parts. The speaker is using it to show how collecting return data can help engineers improve future designs.
An “electronics program” here likely means a structured internal effort to track electronics failures and feed that information back into engineering decisions. The speaker uses it as an example of how monitoring reman returns can improve design outcomes.
real-world data
"Speaker 2: You know, the data come back on the real use parts. Speaker 6: Because I think the struggle with vehicles have turned pretty quickly... And if you can get data back on that, you can get it right to the design community."
Real-world data is what happens when cars are driven normally by real people. It helps engineers understand how parts hold up outside of lab tests.
“Real-world data” refers to information gathered from actual vehicles in everyday use, as opposed to controlled testing. In design and remanufacturing decisions, real-world data can reveal how parts perform under real heat, load, driving patterns, and aging.
filter
"Speaker 6: More often, you've got to make sure you replace the filter and stuff. And we have like for example, for a speed HP kid, you can buy the pan. The pan comes with the building and filter and anything like that, so when you change you you're changing the filter and all that."
The transmission filter is like a screen that catches dirt and metal particles in the fluid. If the transmission is “sealed,” you may not be able to change that filter easily.
In an automatic transmission, the filter helps trap debris and wear particles so the fluid can keep lubricating and operating internal hydraulic components. If the transmission is “sealed,” the filter may be difficult or not intended to be replaced during ownership.
sealed for life
"Speaker 5: We're seeing transmissions that are sealed for life and you don't even change the filter."
“Sealed for life” means the manufacturer says you don’t need to change the transmission fluid. Some owners and mechanics disagree and believe the fluid still wears out and should be serviced.
“Sealed for life” is a marketing/maintenance claim that a transmission (or other drivetrain component) doesn’t need fluid service for the life of the vehicle or at least for the warranty period. The controversy is whether the fluid and internal wear still benefit from periodic service as the vehicle ages.
Great Core facility
"Speaker 6: It's if you saw, like in as Sbay at our Great Core facility or one of our owe plants, how they control dirt and all that stuff. It's it's amazing,"
They’re talking about a facility where they take special care to keep things clean. The goal is to prevent dirt from causing problems in rebuilt parts.
The speaker references a “Great Core facility” as an example of how a remanufacturing operation controls dirt and contamination. This is more about the manufacturing process environment than a specific car part or technology.
contamination
"Speaker 6: And I think that contamination is the biggest killer for transmissions, so they worry and in the Bow bodies, right, The vow bodies is the megatrinic spark."
Contamination just means “dirt where it shouldn’t be.” In cars, tiny particles can get into parts and make them wear out faster or fail.
In this context, contamination means unwanted particles or debris (like dust, metal shavings, or other microscopic material) inside manufacturing or service processes. It can accelerate wear and failure in precision components such as transmissions and related assemblies.
clutches
"Speaker 6: It's it's amazing, and they worry about microscopic anything, and they worry about that. And I think that contamination is the biggest killer for transmissions, so they worry and in the Bow bodies, right, The vow bodies is the megatrinic spark. That's really where they do the damage. Not to clutches, but the vow bodies that gets it."
A clutch is what lets the car smoothly start moving and change gears by connecting or disconnecting power. If parts inside the drivetrain get dirty, it can cause problems.
A clutch is the friction device used to connect and disconnect the engine’s power to the drivetrain, commonly in manual transmissions and some automated/manual systems. The speaker notes contamination damage is more about other transmission-related components than the clutch itself.
Renault
"Speaker 4: Yeah. So you mentioned earlier that you know, z has been doing this since the end of World War Two, and I discovered that Renault has been doing it since nineteen forty nine. They actually operate a factory in France and they do gearboxes, tribo chargers, injectors the automaker."
Renault is a car company. The speaker says Renault has been doing this kind of work for a long time and even runs facilities in France to make or rebuild drivetrain components.
Renault is an automaker that, according to the speaker, has been involved in remanufacturing-related operations since 1949 and runs a factory in France. The point is that some automakers operate their own gearbox-related production rather than only outsourcing.
gearboxes
"Speaker 4: ...Renault has been doing it since nineteen forty nine. They actually operate a factory in France and they do gearboxes, tribo chargers, injectors the automaker."
A gearbox is the set of gears inside the transmission. It helps the car use the engine’s power in different driving situations.
A gearbox is the transmission’s gear set that provides different gear ratios for acceleration, cruising, and engine-speed control. Remanufacturing gearboxes often focuses on wear surfaces, precise clearances, and contamination control.
tribo chargers
"Speaker 4: ...They actually operate a factory in France and they do gearboxes, tribo chargers, injectors the automaker."
This sounds like the speaker meant turbochargers. A turbocharger uses exhaust gases to spin a fan that pushes more air into the engine, which helps it make more power.
“Tribo chargers” appears to be a transcription error for “turbochargers,” which are forced-induction devices that use exhaust energy to spin a compressor. That compressor increases the amount of air entering the engine, improving power and efficiency.
injectors
"Speaker 4: ...They actually operate a factory in France and they do gearboxes, tribo chargers, injectors the automaker."
Fuel injectors are the parts that deliver fuel into the engine. If they’re dirty or not working right, the engine can run poorly.
Fuel injectors are components that spray fuel into the engine in precise amounts and timing. In remanufacturing contexts, injectors are often cleaned, tested, and rebuilt because clogged or leaking injectors can cause poor combustion and drivability issues.
remanufacturer
"Speaker 6: I'd say the US is bigger for sure, the remanufacturer in Europe, and but Europe there's parts of Europe that are really into it, right, I mean the sustainability side of Europe today."
A remanufacturer takes an old car part, breaks it down, replaces worn pieces, and rebuilds it so it works like it should again. It can be cheaper than buying brand-new and can reduce waste.
A remanufacturer rebuilds used components to restore them to like-new or specified performance, typically by disassembling, inspecting, replacing worn parts, and reassembling under controlled quality standards. The episode frames remanufacturing as both a profit opportunity and a sustainability strategy.
Reman Industries Council
"So I was a past chairman of Reman Industries Council and we have members from all those those sectors..."
This sounds like an industry organization for companies that rebuild and remanufacture parts. The speaker is saying they used to lead it and it includes members from different areas.
The Reman Industries Council is referenced as an industry group representing remanufacturing across multiple sectors. The speaker’s role as past chairman suggests they’re discussing remanufacturing practices and policy/industry coordination.
retread tires
"We didn't talk about retreading, right... it was a phenomenal process to watch these guys retread tires..."
Retreading is rebuilding a tire by replacing the worn tread surface while reusing the tire’s casing (the body). It’s common in commercial fleets because it can reduce cost and waste compared with buying entirely new tires.
commercial vehicle tires
"A typical uh we say, a typical commercial vehicle tires retreaded three times..."
Commercial tires are made for work trucks and other heavy-duty vehicles. Because they’re used so hard, companies often plan for multiple rounds of repair or rebuilding to keep costs down.
Commercial vehicle tires are built for heavy-duty use—higher loads, longer mileage, and frequent service cycles—so their economics often favor retreading and remanufacturing. The speaker notes that decision-making includes multiple “life cycles,” not just the first purchase.
Chinese tire
"...the influence of some of the Chinese products coming into our market. A Chinese tire cannot be remnufactured because the core itself is not very good."
The point here is that some cheaper tires may not be good enough to rebuild. If the old tire body is damaged or low quality, you can’t retread it reliably.
The speaker claims that certain Chinese tires can’t be remanufactured because the core quality is poor. In remanufacturing/retreading, core quality is crucial—if the casing or internal structure is too degraded, it can’t be safely rebuilt.
TRW
"Really, would you have ever consider remanufacturing parts from BOSH or TRW or any of the compensation."
TRW is a company that makes automotive parts. They’re using it as an example of brands you might consider for remanufactured components.
TRW is referenced as another automotive supplier whose parts could be remanufactured. In the conversation, it’s used to frame the idea of rebuilding components from well-known manufacturers.
BOSH
"Really, would you have ever consider remanufacturing parts from BOSH or TRW or any of the compensation."
They’re talking about Bosch as a parts supplier. The question is whether you’d trust remanufactured parts from a big brand like that.
“BOSH” appears to be a mis-transcription of “Bosch,” a major automotive supplier. The speakers are asking whether remanufactured parts from Bosch (and similar suppliers) would be considered.
electric motors
"...with electric products very much, they're very easy... electric motors and verters ECUs..."
Electric motors are what actually turn the wheels in an electric car. The host is saying these motors can be rebuilt instead of replaced every time they wear out.
Electric motors are the power units in battery-electric vehicles that convert electrical energy into mechanical motion. The podcast notes that motors can be remanufactured, implying they’re designed and serviced in a way that supports rebuilding.
inverters
"...electric motors and verters ECUs, and then they still have some gearing gears, right, We're still going to remainufacture those..."
An inverter is an electronic box that changes the battery’s power into the right type for the electric motor. The episode is saying these can be remanufactured too, if they’re designed for it.
An inverter is an electronic device that converts DC battery power into AC power for the electric motor. The podcast groups inverters with other EV components that may be remanufactured, highlighting that these parts need to be built in a way that allows safe, repeatable rebuilding.
design for remanufacturing
"...it's important we consider it... getting the message out to the auto makers to design for Reman..."
Design for remanufacturing means designing parts so they can be taken apart and rebuilt later. The podcast’s point is that if manufacturers don’t plan for that, recycling and rebuilding may not actually happen.
Design for remanufacturing means engineers build products so they can be efficiently disassembled, inspected, repaired, and rebuilt at end-of-life. The episode warns that if EV and other components aren’t designed with remanufacturing in mind, the “green” goal can backfire because parts may become too difficult or expensive to reuse.
GM
"Thanks got GM, was it GMM, was first Stalantis or not FCA or Diamond Chrysler whatever it was called back then they went for something Chris. Forty two days later they were out. Yeah, so it was a and yes chapter eleven."
GM is General Motors, a big car company. The hosts are talking about GM during a serious financial crisis and how it was handled.
“GM” refers to General Motors, one of the largest U.S. automakers. In this segment, they’re discussed in the context of a major financial crisis and restructuring that affected both GM and other automakers.
Chrysler
"Thanks got GM, was it GMM, was first Stalantis or not FCA or Diamond Chrysler whatever it was called back then they went for something Chris. Forty two days later they were out. Yeah, so it was a and yes chapter eleven."
Chrysler is another big car company. The hosts are talking about how it went through a major financial rescue/restructuring period so it could keep operating.
Chrysler is a major U.S. automaker that, along with GM, went through a severe restructuring during the late-2000s financial crisis. The discussion frames it as a fast-paced bankruptcy process that helped the companies avoid total collapse.
chapter eleven
"It was a and yes chapter eleven. Yeah, and it was Jay Alex of Alex Partners who figured out how to do this very fast paced bankruptcy for both GM and Chrysler probably saved them."
“Chapter 11” is a U.S. bankruptcy process that lets a struggling company reorganize instead of shutting down immediately. The idea is to keep the business running while it fixes its finances.
“Chapter eleven” refers to Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the U.S., a legal process where a company reorganizes to keep operating while it restructures debts and operations. In the episode, it’s used to describe a rapid bankruptcy/reorganization approach for GM and Chrysler.
Detroit
"Well, I tell you you you mentioned that, and then it it makes me think of a trip I took not too long ago. I think Detroit is in the worst shape it's ever. Been in an auto industry."
Detroit is a major hub for car manufacturing in the U.S. The conversation uses it as a way to talk about how strong (or weak) the auto industry feels right now.
Detroit is discussed as the center of the U.S. auto industry and manufacturing ecosystem. The hosts talk about the city’s current condition and connect it to the broader health of automaking and supplier activity.
Keya's West Point, Georgia plant
"I went down to the Keya's West Point, Georgia plant, and one of the most impressive plants I've ever seen."
They’re talking about a specific car factory in West Point, Georgia. The point is to show what modern auto manufacturing looks like on the ground.
The segment highlights a specific manufacturing site: the West Point, Georgia plant associated with the speaker’s visit. This is relevant because it’s used as an example of real-world production capacity and operations.
Hyundai Genesis
"... the car park and everything was ke or Hyundai or Genesis. That whole area is lost to the Detroit three. An..."
Hyundai Genesis is a line of more upscale cars made by Hyundai. It’s meant to feel more premium than Hyundai’s basic models. The podcast mentions it to talk about how brands were represented in a particular setting.
Hyundai Genesis refers to Hyundai’s premium lineup, positioned to compete in the higher-end segment. The podcast mentions Genesis in the context of where certain brands were located and how that area changed over time. It’s used to illustrate brand presence and market positioning rather than a specific model’s technical details.
tariffs
"Chinese owned or controlled vehicles, regardless of where they're assembled, must not be permitted to enter our market through US MCA or any other mechanism. Allowing such circumvention would undermine existing tariffs."
Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. The segment suggests that rules about Chinese vehicles matter because they affect how well those import taxes are enforced.
Tariffs are taxes a country charges on imported goods. Here, the speaker argues that allowing certain Chinese-owned or controlled vehicles to enter the U.S. could undermine tariff enforcement meant to protect domestic manufacturing.
US MCA
"Chinese owned or controlled vehicles... must not be permitted to enter our market through US MCA or any other mechanism. Allowing such circumvention would undermine existing tariffs."
“US MCA” is a trade agreement framework the U.S. uses with North American partners. The point being made is that vehicles might be able to enter the U.S. through trade rules in a way that avoids the intended protections.
“US MCA” appears to refer to the U.S.-Canada-Mexico trade framework (often discussed as USMCA). The speaker is concerned about vehicles entering the U.S. market via trade mechanisms that could bypass tariff protections.
connected, capable of collecting and transmitting sensitive data
"There are real national security implications as today's [2210.0s] vehicles are increasingly connected, capable of collecting and transmitting sensitive data about drivers, infrastructure, and surrounding environments."
Modern cars can be “connected,” meaning they can send information over networks. The concern here is that this data could include sensitive details about drivers and infrastructure.
This refers to modern vehicles’ telematics and connectivity—systems that can gather data (like location, driving behavior, and vehicle status) and send it to networks or services. The segment frames this as a national security concern when vehicles are increasingly networked.
teslas
"So this is essentially nothing new because the Chinese don't let teslas get near and they're sensitive military installations or whatnot."
Tesla is a company that makes electric cars. The speaker mentions it to illustrate that connected cars can be treated differently around sensitive locations.
Tesla is an electric-vehicle brand known for software-driven, connected cars. The speaker uses Tesla as an example of how authorities restrict certain vehicles near sensitive sites, tying it to the broader data/security argument.
government subsidies
"I just think that they should come in, you know, on equal footing, in other words, not be opped up by government subsidies and have any unfair advantagers."
Government subsidies are financial support provided to businesses or industries, which can lower costs and distort competition. The segment argues Chinese vehicles should compete without being “upped up” by subsidies that create an unfair advantage.
economies of scale
"They've also done the hard work too. They've figured out economies of scale on things. They've done a great job with design."
It means the more a company builds, the cheaper each unit tends to become. For carmakers, making lots of the same parts can reduce costs.
Economies of scale means the average cost per unit drops as a company makes more of something. In autos, that can lower the cost of components like batteries, electronics, or powertrain parts when production volumes rise.
self priduc stuff
"They they're when it comes to electronics and self priduc stuff there like leading the world and all this stuff. They've done the hardware too."
This sounds like they’re making more of their own technology instead of buying it from other companies. That can help them control quality and timing.
“Self priduc stuff” is likely referring to self-produced or in-house technology—meaning the company makes key components or software internally rather than relying on outside suppliers. In autos, that can improve integration and reduce supply-chain risk.
Toyota production system
"They taught the industry and there were study groups that went to Japan, studied the Toyota production system. They learned about Kaizan, they learned about just in time production..."
This is Toyota’s way of building cars efficiently—reducing wasted time, materials, and mistakes. The goal is to make the production line smoother and more reliable.
The Toyota Production System (TPS) is Toyota’s manufacturing approach focused on eliminating waste and improving flow and quality. It’s closely associated with lean practices like continuous improvement and producing only what’s needed.
just in time production
"They learned about Kaizan, they learned about just in time production, they learned about quick guye change. They applied that here and they came roaring back..."
It’s a “make and deliver right when needed” approach. Instead of stockpiling parts, the factory tries to get them at the last responsible moment.
Just in time (JIT) production is a scheduling strategy where parts arrive right when they’re needed for assembly, rather than sitting in inventory. It reduces storage costs and can speed up response to demand changes, but it requires reliable suppliers and logistics.
Kaizan
"They learned about Kaizan, they learned about just in time production, they learned about quick guye change. They applied that here..."
Kaizen means constantly making small improvements instead of waiting for one big change. In factories, it’s how teams keep tweaking the process to reduce problems.
Kaizen (often spelled “Kaizen”) is continuous improvement—small, ongoing changes to processes to make them better over time. In manufacturing, it’s used to systematically reduce defects and waste.
quick guye change
"They learned about Kaizan, they learned about just in time production, they learned about quick guye change. They applied that here and they came roaring back..."
This is about speeding up how quickly a factory can switch from making one part to making another. The faster the switch, the less time and inventory you need.
“Quick guye change” appears to refer to quick-changeover (often discussed as SMED—single-minute exchange of dies), which is the practice of reducing the time needed to switch production setups. In manufacturing, faster changeovers help factories run smaller batches without losing efficiency.
moving together in tandem
"Another advantage they have is that the Chinese government and the Chinese industry are moving together in tandem, working together."
It means the government and the car industry are working closely together. When they coordinate, it can be easier to plan and build new things faster.
“Moving together in tandem” describes coordinated action between government and industry—aligning policy, investment, and execution toward shared goals. In manufacturing sectors, that coordination can speed up adoption of new technologies and expansion plans.
industrial policy
"That we have to be aware of exactly, but so great point. So when you say industrial policy, a lot of especially conservatives, get their hackles up."
Industrial policy means the government tries to guide which industries succeed. Instead of just letting the market decide, it may set goals or rules that push companies in certain directions.
Industrial policy is when a government uses rules, incentives, or targets to steer which industries grow and how they compete. In this discussion, it’s framed as the government potentially influencing “winners” and “losers” in areas like autos, fuel economy, and emissions.
political whip saw
"That's why I say we need a strategy and so part of that strategy would be we can't have this political whip saw and going back and forth when it comes to fuel economy and emissions regulations."
It means the rules keep flipping back and forth quickly. That makes it hard for businesses to plan because they may have to change course repeatedly.
“Political whip saw” describes rapid, back-and-forth policy changes that force industries to constantly adjust. Here it’s used to explain why automakers struggle to plan investments when fuel economy, emissions, and possibly safety rules swing with politics.
fuel economy and emissions regulations
"That's why I say we need a strategy and so part of that strategy would be we can't have this political whip saw and going back and forth when it comes to fuel economy and emissions regulations."
These are government rules that control how much gas cars use and how much pollution they put out. If the rules keep changing, car companies have a harder time planning what to build.
Fuel economy and emissions regulations are government requirements that limit how much fuel vehicles can use and how much pollution they can produce. The hosts argue that frequent changes to these rules create planning risk for automakers because they must redesign products to meet the latest standards.
EV investments
"And so you've got this industry that has just wasted how many tens of billions of dollars on ev investments, and now you've got tens of billions of dollars of tariffs on top of that."
EV investments are the resources car companies put into making electric cars. That includes building the technology and factories needed to sell them.
EV investments refers to the money automakers spend to develop and scale electric vehicles—like new platforms, batteries, power electronics, and manufacturing capacity. The segment argues that large EV spending followed by further policy uncertainty makes long-term planning difficult.
GM engineers
"But you know, I think that and talk to some GM engineers for a story I'm working on, and they are working sort of in a vacuum now with policy because what they're focusing on is just making improvements."
This is about engineers at General Motors. They’re describing how the company’s teams respond when government rules and priorities keep changing.
“GM engineers” refers to engineers at General Motors (GM). The hosts use their perspective to illustrate how automakers respond when policy changes create uncertainty—focusing on incremental improvements rather than big bets.
internal combustion nagers
"But you know, I think that and talk to some GM engineers for a story I'm working on, and they are working sort of in a vacuum now with policy because what they're focusing on is just making improvements. And I'm talking about internal combustion nagers."
This is talking about regular gas/diesel engines. The point is that, while EVs get a lot of attention, engineers still have to keep improving the traditional engine cars too.
“Internal combustion nagers” appears to be a transcription error for “internal combustion engines” (ICE). ICE refers to engines that burn fuel to create power, as opposed to electric drivetrains, and the hosts discuss how engineers are working on incremental improvements under policy uncertainty.
Stilantis
"So we were talking about Chrysler earlier. So Stilantis has announced that they're going to have four key brands that this is going to be where they're going to focus the product development, Ram, Jeep, Pougeo and Fiat."
Stilantis is the big car company behind brands like Jeep and Ram. Here they’re talking about how the company is focusing its effort on a few main brands because it needs to manage costs.
Stilantis refers to Stellantis, the multinational automaker formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group. In this segment, the speaker discusses Stellantis’ strategy to concentrate product development around a smaller set of core brands.
Jeep
"So Stilantis has announced that they're going to have four key brands that this is going to be where they're going to focus the product development, Ram, Jeep, Pougeo and Fiat."
Jeep is the brand famous for SUVs and off-road style vehicles. In this discussion, it’s listed as a top priority brand for Stellantis.
Jeep is a Stellantis brand known for SUVs and off-road vehicles. The speaker lists Jeep as one of the four key brands Stellantis will concentrate product development on.
Fiat
"So Stilantis has announced that they're going to have four key brands that this is going to be where they're going to focus the product development, Ram, Jeep, Pougeo and Fiat."
Fiat is a car brand (especially known for smaller cars). The hosts mention Fiat as one of the main brands Stellantis plans to focus on.
Fiat is a Stellantis brand associated with compact cars and small vehicles, especially in Europe and Latin America. In the segment, Fiat is named as one of the four key brands Stellantis will prioritize for product development.
Pougeo
"So Stilantis has announced that they're going to have four key brands that this is going to be where they're going to focus the product development, Ram, Jeep, Pougeo and Fiat."
“Pougeo” is referring to Peugeot, a well-known European car brand. The point here is that Stellantis wants to focus development around a few major brands, including Peugeot.
“Pougeo” is almost certainly a transcription error for Peugeot, the French automaker brand within Stellantis. The speaker is naming Peugeot as one of the core brands for future product development focus.
derivatives of those four key brands
"...they're going to have these four and my guess is all the other brands that are left, you know, whether it's Citroan and uh Daci or Lancia and Chrysler and Popel and uh, they're going to get derivatives of those four key brands, and it all comes down to dollars and cents."
The idea is to make new cars that are closely related to the same main models, instead of designing everything from scratch. That helps a company save money while still offering different-looking cars.
“Derivatives” here means new models built from shared platforms, designs, or engineering packages that are variations of the same core brand strategy. The speaker’s point is that Stellantis can stretch limited engineering and marketing budgets by reusing the same underlying work across multiple nameplates.
Volkswagen
"Previously, I would have said, look at Volkswagen, they can do a great. Job at that, but lately not anymore. For a long time though, Volkswagen did do a pretty good job with all those brands."
Volkswagen is a big car company that also owns other car brands. The hosts are saying Volkswagen used to be very strong, but the market has shifted recently.
Volkswagen is a major automaker (the Volkswagen Group) that owns multiple brands and has historically been strong in Europe and globally. In this segment, it’s referenced as having done well “with all those brands,” before competitive pressures changed the industry.
Pugeot
"Okay, so she's got Ram Okay truck company. You got Jeep off road vehicle company, Pougeo in Fiat. Now, at first I thought, well, Pougeou would be like larger sedans and Fiat would be smaller vehicles."
Peugeot is a French car brand. The conversation is basically saying that even if cars share the same underlying engineering, the brand name still matters for politics and marketing.
Peugeot (transcribed here as “Pugeot”) is a French automaker brand under Stellantis. The hosts discuss how Peugeot is expected to keep its identity for political reasons, even if platforms and parts are shared across brands.
Stellantis
"Yeah, remember the French and Italian governments still have big say in what goes on in Stilantis. And if you said, oh, Fiat, we're not gonna kind, there would be bloody hell to pay."
Stellantis is a large car company that was created by combining two big groups. The discussion here is about how different countries still have influence over which brands and models get prioritized.
Stellantis is the multinational automaker formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group. The hosts discuss how national governments (especially French and Italian) still influence what happens inside Stellantis and how that affects brand strategy.
platforms Stella small, Stella Medium, Stella large
"But you know they've got what four platforms Stella small, Stella Medium, Stella large, and body on frame. I think those are the four platform build it all off that get your volume with the four key ones..."
A platform is the shared “base” that multiple cars are built on. If a company uses the same platform for different models, it can build them cheaper and faster.
The hosts refer to Stellantis “platforms” (here transcribed as “Stella small/medium/large”), meaning shared vehicle architectures used to build multiple models. Using a small number of platforms helps reduce engineering cost and manufacturing complexity across many brands.
body on frame
"But you know they've got what four platforms Stella small, Stella Medium, Stella large, and body on frame. I think those are the four platform build it all off..."
Body-on-frame means the car has a sturdy “skeleton” frame, and the body is attached on top. Trucks often use this because it’s strong and can handle tougher work.
Body-on-frame is a vehicle construction method where the body mounts to a separate ladder-like frame. It’s commonly used for trucks and some off-road vehicles because it can handle heavy loads and rough conditions, and it’s easier to adapt across different body styles.
leap motor
"Okay, So how do oh leap motor? Yeah yeah, yeah, Sean's timing in from the control room and then there's you know, they're turning to leap motor to develop lower cost stuff."
Leapmotor is a company that makes electric cars. The hosts are saying Stellantis (or the industry) may work with companies like this to build cheaper EVs.
Leapmotor (transcribed here as “leap motor”) is an EV-focused automaker discussed as a partner for developing lower-cost vehicles. In this segment, it’s brought up as a way to expand affordable electrification within the broader industry shift.
e revs
"So what happens to lower cost electric stuff? Lower cost electric for now? I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it spread to e revs, pehabs and ice."
“E-revs” here means a kind of electrified car that isn’t necessarily a pure plug-in electric. The idea is that cheaper electrified tech could show up in more kinds of cars over time.
“E-revs” is used here as shorthand for electric-vehicle-related powertrains that aren’t full battery-electric (BEV) cars. The context suggests a spectrum of electrification options that could spread beyond current EVs to other drivetrains.
pehabs
"I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it spread to e revs, pehabs and ice."
PHEV means plug-in hybrid. It’s a car that can run on electricity for some driving, but it also has a gas engine for longer trips.
“Pehabs” appears to be a transcription of “PHEVs,” which stands for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. PHEVs use both an electric motor (with a battery you can charge) and a gasoline engine, allowing short trips on electricity and longer trips with the engine.
Dodge
"No, clearly Chrysler's going [2821.6s] to have to have more than a PACIFICA, but Dodge is the performance brand. If they had three or four, [2827.7s] you know, I think an untapped area is what if one of those really hot European hatchbacks that they have over there came over here as a Dodge, you know something."
Dodge is a car brand known for sportier, performance-oriented models. The hosts are discussing whether Dodge should bring in more exciting cars to attract buyers.
Dodge is a performance-focused American automaker brand. Here, it’s framed as the “performance brand” that could carry additional models (including a hypothetical hot European hatchback) to strengthen sales.
Dodge Hornet
"...eaker 4: But one thing I did is that spost be the Hornet though remember that it's going to be the Alpha, ..."
The Dodge Hornet is a small crossover vehicle name associated with Dodge. A crossover is a car type that blends the feel of a car with the higher seating and space of an SUV. The podcast mentions it as a model Dodge planned to bring out and connect to a shared platform.
The Dodge Hornet is a compact crossover concept/nameplate associated with Dodge’s push into smaller, more mainstream segments. In the podcast context, it’s tied to the idea that it would be the “Alpha,” suggesting a platform or underlying architecture used for that vehicle. It comes up as part of a discussion about what Dodge might introduce to broaden its lineup.
Alfa Romeo
"[2858.1s] much because if you don't have those three brands, then you maybe can allocate some resources to dodge Chrysler and Ram the vehicles that the brands that are more likely to sell in higher numbers. [2867.6s] Speaker 3: Here. Look, I've said it before, I'll say it again. [2870.0s] Fiat's a dead brand in the US market. It's dead."
Alfa Romeo is a sporty car brand from Italy. The discussion is about whether it can realistically sell enough cars in the US to justify keeping the brand and its dealer network.
Alfa Romeo is an Italian automaker brand known for sporty cars. The speaker claims Alfa Romeo’s US sales are “abysmal” and suggests the company may let dealers close rather than formally shut the brand down.
Maserati
"[2853.8s] Speaker 5: I think the real tough discussion that they have to have is does Fiat Alpha, Romeo and Maserati really have a place in the US? Do they really? Are they [2854.5s] going to break through? [2854.5s] Speaker 2: Are they absolutely?"
Maserati is a luxury car brand from Italy. The hosts are debating whether it can attract enough buyers in the US to be financially worthwhile.
Maserati is an Italian luxury/performance automaker brand. The speaker groups Maserati with Fiat and Alfa Romeo when questioning whether these brands can “break through” in the US market.
Dodge Ram
"...can allocate some resources to dodge Chrysler and Ram the vehicles that the brands that are more likely..."
The Dodge Ram is a pickup truck made by Dodge. It’s designed for hauling and everyday utility, like carrying cargo or towing. The podcast brings it up because it’s one of the brands that could get more attention or investment.
The Dodge Ram is a pickup truck line known for work-focused capability and large-vehicle practicality. In the podcast, it’s mentioned alongside Dodge and Chrysler, in the context of which brands might receive more resources. That makes it relevant to discussions about product planning and brand strategy.
dealer buyout
"so that they don't have to buy them out. So that rather than [2887.1s] declare we're shutting the brand down, then you got to buy out all the dealers. [2890.6s] Speaker 5: Now, you know, if there's any lawyers watching you right now, they're taking notes."
A dealer buyout is when a manufacturer pays to take over or compensate a dealership network, typically when a brand is being discontinued. The speaker suggests a strategy of letting dealers close gradually to avoid the cost of buying them out.
Chrysler Pacifica
"you said that that Chrysler has a PACIFICA. Okay, and they keep saying, oh, we're going to have something, We're going to have something, and they keep having the PACIFICA, right, and that's it."
The Chrysler Pacifica is a minivan. The hosts are basically saying Chrysler might be depending on just this one main vehicle to keep the brand going.
The Chrysler Pacifica is a Chrysler minivan. In this discussion, it’s used as an example of how Chrysler’s brand lineup may be too narrow if it’s mostly relying on one model.
brand going
"How long can they keep that brand going? Well, they have said that I think May eleventh is their investors day... Can an entire brand be predicated on two vehicles?"
They’re debating whether a car brand can survive if it doesn’t have enough different models to sell. If there are only one or two cars, it may be hard to keep the brand strong.
The discussion is about whether a car brand can remain viable with too few models. They question whether Chrysler can keep the brand alive if it’s mostly supported by just one or two vehicles.
investors day
"Well, they have said that I think May eleventh is their investors day. Mid May is their Investor's day, and that they have a big announcement for Chrysler, and that what they have said, product is coming."
An investors day is when a company updates investors about what it plans to do next. Here, they’re saying Chrysler’s big product news may come around that event.
An “investors day” is an event where a company presents plans and updates to shareholders and analysts. In this segment, it’s referenced as the likely timing for a Chrysler announcement about upcoming products.
Chrysler minivan
"So you just have a spot in the showroom and that's the Chrysler minivan. So you don't need a whole brand structure."
A minivan is a family vehicle built for lots of people and easy access. The hosts are using the Chrysler minivan as the main example of what Chrysler has to sell right now.
A minivan is a family-focused vehicle with sliding doors and seating designed for passengers and cargo. Here, “Chrysler minivan” refers to the brand’s core product category—especially tied to the Pacifica—used to argue whether the brand can survive with a very limited lineup.
electric or not
"Speaker 3: No, I think you're a spot on spot on now whether it'll be electric or not, probably not. Maybe that was the original plan, but now they're like an electrics aren't selling in the volume when we need so yeah, I think you're I agree with what you said."
They’re debating whether the next sedan will be electric. That matters because electric cars use a different power system than gas cars, and sales numbers can change what companies decide to build.
The hosts discuss whether a future sedan will be electric, which affects powertrain choice, pricing, and demand. In the context of the episode, they’re contrasting planned electrification with the reality that EV sales volume may not meet targets.
bringing back sedans
"Speaker 5: And GM has been talking about bringing back sedans too correct. What do you think, Ery, What will it be for Chrysler or for different Chrysler."
They’re talking about whether car companies are going to start making more sedans again. It’s about what fits the brand and what people are buying.
This is a discussion topic about automakers returning to sedans as a product strategy. The conversation frames sedans as part of brand identity and market positioning rather than just a body style.
tooling
"And so even though the body design was ancient, there was no tooling. The tooling had been paid off all long time ago."
“Tooling” means the factory equipment used to make a car’s parts. If that equipment is already paid for, the automaker can update the car’s look without having to buy brand-new factory gear.
In manufacturing, “tooling” refers to the specialized equipment and molds used to build parts—especially body panels and assembly processes. The hosts’ point is that if tooling is already paid off, the company can keep producing an older body design while spending less to refresh the product.
Dodge Durango
"If you look at the Dodge Durango, it's the same story. And in fact, I think Automotive News is the one that pointed this out to be selling pretty good."
The Dodge Durango is an SUV model that’s been sold for a long time. The discussion is basically saying you can keep selling a familiar vehicle by updating its look often, instead of building everything from scratch each time.
The Dodge Durango is a midsize SUV that’s been around for many years, and the hosts use it as an example of how an older platform can still sell well. The key point is that automakers can keep demand up with frequent visible updates without paying for brand-new tooling every time.
warranty costs
"...the tariff costs, the incredible cost explosion and warranty costs. This is an industry that's got to be very, very frugal with its capital spending."
Warranty costs are the money a car company spends to fix problems that are covered by the warranty. The hosts are saying these costs can be a big part of why companies watch spending closely.
“Warranty costs” are the expenses a manufacturer pays when vehicles need repairs under the warranty terms. The hosts mention them as part of the broader cost pressures that influence how aggressively automakers invest in new programs.
capital spending
"This is an industry that's got to be very, very frugal with its capital spending. So why not take a car like the Charger and the Challenger."
“Capital spending” is big spending on long-term stuff—like factory equipment and major upgrades. The hosts are saying automakers need to be careful because these costs add up.
“Capital spending” (capex) is money spent to buy or upgrade long-term assets like factories, tooling, and major equipment. The segment frames it as something automakers must manage tightly, especially after costly investments and rising costs.
tariff costs
"...getting right written off, the tariff costs, the incredible cost explosion and warranty costs."
Tariff costs are extra charges that can apply when parts or cars cross borders. The hosts are saying these added costs make it harder for automakers to spend freely.
“Tariff costs” are extra expenses caused by taxes on imported goods. In the segment, they’re cited as another factor raising overall costs, contributing to a more cautious approach to spending and product planning.
Dodge Charger
"So why not take a car like the Charger and the Challenger. Why not do it like with their Durango."
The Dodge Charger is a well-known Dodge model. The hosts are using it as an example of how a company might update the car’s appearance regularly without spending the money to redesign everything from the ground up.
The Dodge Charger is used here as an example of a car model that could benefit from the same strategy as the Durango—keeping an existing body/platform while making frequent refreshes. The hosts are contrasting this with the cost of retooling for a completely new design.
Dodge Challenger
"So why not take a car like the Charger and the Challenger. Why not do it like with their Durango."
The Dodge Challenger is another popular Dodge model. In this segment, it’s brought up to illustrate the same money-saving approach: update the car so it looks current, but don’t pay for a total manufacturing reset.
The Dodge Challenger is mentioned alongside the Charger as another example of a model that could be refreshed frequently while avoiding the expense of new tooling. The underlying idea is to manage capital spending by reusing existing manufacturing assets.
refreshes
"But you got to do refreshes every single year that you know, to the public is visibly different, even though you're spending saving all this money by not retooling it."
A “refresh” is a mid-cycle update to a car. It usually means changes to the look and features so it feels newer, without completely redesigning the whole vehicle.
“Refreshes” are periodic updates to a vehicle’s styling and features—like new exterior looks, interior changes, or updated tech—without a full redesign. The hosts emphasize that frequent refreshes can keep a long-running model feeling current even when the underlying body design is older.
white space for that brand
"Does the world need any more SUVs? I think they got to go for white space for that brand. I mean, if they if they put another SUV in the Chrysler showroom..."
“White space” means a gap in the market where a brand can do something different and stand out. The host is saying Chrysler shouldn’t add another SUV if it would just compete with other SUVs already in the same brand family.
“White space” is a marketing concept meaning an unmet niche or opportunity where a brand can stand out rather than compete directly with its own lineup. Here, the host argues Chrysler should avoid adding another SUV that would cannibalize sales from existing Jeep/Dodge SUV offerings.
Ralph Shield
"...and you know, Ralph Shield, he's gonna if he's in charge of styling, it's gonna look pretty cool."
Ralph Shield is mentioned as the styling leader—basically the person responsible for how the vehicles look. The host is suggesting his influence could make a future Chrysler product more appealing.
Ralph Shield is mentioned as the person “in charge of styling,” implying he leads the design direction for the brand’s vehicles. In this context, it’s a personnel/creative-leadership reference tied to how a future vehicle could look and attract buyers.
pass cars
"[3286.6s] Speaker 3: No, I like what you're saying about getting back into pass cars because the Detroit three dropped essentially out of it. Okay, [3327.6s] To your point, get into the white space, which for the Detroit three is getting back into passengers."
“Passenger cars” are regular cars like sedans and coupes, not trucks. The conversation is about automakers shifting back toward selling more of these cars.
“Passenger cars” are non-truck vehicles—typically sedans and coupes—distinct from pickups and SUVs. The hosts discuss the Detroit three “getting back into passengers,” meaning focusing on this segment rather than relying mainly on trucks/SUVs.
Ford Mustang
"...Okay, Cadillac's got the CT five for it's got the Mustang blah blah. But they're not volume players, and so..."
The Ford Mustang is a sports car made by Ford. It’s popular because it’s designed for performance and driving enjoyment. The podcast mentions it when talking about which sports cars sell in large numbers.
The Ford Mustang is a long-standing American sports car that’s often used as a benchmark for mainstream performance. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in a comparison about volume players and how other brands’ sports cars fit into the market. That makes it a natural topic when discussing who sells in high numbers and who doesn’t.
Cadillac
"[3293.6s] Speaker 3: Cadillac's got the CT five for it's got the Mustang blah blah. But they're not volume players, and so they [3300.2s] have surrendered twenty percent of the US market to the import brand."
Cadillac is a luxury car brand. The hosts mention it to illustrate how some American brands sell certain models, but not in big enough numbers to fully beat import brands.
Cadillac is a luxury brand within General Motors. In the segment, it’s used as an example of a domestic automaker offering a model that competes with imports, but not at the volume level needed to dominate the market.
product development time
"[3343.6s] Speaker 5: Could they do it with an existing Stella platform from overseas that's built here and you save all that product development time? [3350.8s] Speaker 3: And basically that would help, That would definitely help."
Product development time is how long it takes to create a new car from scratch. The hosts are saying that if you reuse an existing design, you can build faster and spend less.
“Product development time” is the time and effort required to design, engineer, and validate a new vehicle. The segment argues that using an existing platform can reduce this timeline and lower costs.
remanned car
"[3404.9s] Speaker 3: Right, And it gets back to why do not do a remanned car? There might be a market for that? [3413.1s] All right? [3413.5s] Speaker 4: So I got to ask you, John, here's question. So"
A remanufactured car is a used car that gets rebuilt and restored, often with parts replaced or refurbished, so it can be sold again. They’re asking whether enough people would want that instead of buying a brand-new car.
A “remanufactured” (often shortened to “reman”) car or vehicle is rebuilt using previously used components, typically to restore it to a like-new or specified standard. The hosts are discussing whether there’s a market for remanufactured vehicles when new-car sales are slowing and customers keep cars longer.
EV losses
"there's there's something I don't understand, and you mentioned the EV losses, and you can explain this to me that I don't. I don't get this, Okay. So they lost"
They’re talking about how much money the company is losing on its electric cars. Even if the company sells some EVs, the costs can be higher than the revenue, so the “losses” show up in the earnings report.
“EV losses” refers to the financial loss a company reports specifically from its electric-vehicle business. In this segment, the hosts break down how losses change quarter to quarter as sales volume and costs shift.
loss per unit
"So if I divide the losses, I come up with In twenty twenty five Q one they lost thirty seven thousand, six hundred and forty dollars per EV, but in Q one twenty twenty six they lost one hundred and thirteen thousand, two hundred and sixty dollars."
They’re figuring out how much money the company loses on average for each EV it sells. If the company’s costs don’t drop but sales do, the loss per car gets worse.
“Loss per unit” is the average amount of money lost for each vehicle sold. Here, the speaker divides total EV losses by the number of EVs sold in each quarter, showing that selling fewer vehicles spreads fixed costs over less volume, so the loss per car increases.
fixed costs
"probably what that reflects I'm guessing I haven't had a chance to really look into the numbers. Your overhead fixed costs have not changed."
Fixed costs are bills the company still has to pay even if it sells fewer cars. So if sales drop but those costs stay, each car has to “cover” more of the remaining expenses.
“Fixed costs” are expenses that don’t change much with how many vehicles you sell—like overhead and certain ongoing investments. The speaker argues these costs remain even if EV sales volume drops, which is why losses per vehicle rise.
amortizing that cost over less volume
"You're still paying on that, and now you're amortizing that cost over less volume. So the loss per unit goes up dramatically."
They’re describing how big upfront costs get spread out over time and over the number of cars made. If fewer cars are sold, the cost per car goes up.
“Amortizing” spreads a large upfront investment (like tooling, plants, or development) across future production. If the company produces or sells fewer vehicles than planned, that same investment gets spread over less output, increasing the cost burden per car.
beyond compliance cars
"I mean, I'll cut forward a little bit of slack. I mean, these are they're not first gen evs. But they're beyond compliance cars."
They mean the cars are built to meet rules, and then some. The speaker is suggesting later EVs are designed with better planning than the earlier ones.
“Beyond compliance cars” implies vehicles designed to meet regulations but also exceed them, often in efficiency, emissions, or safety requirements. In context, the speaker contrasts earlier EVs with later ones designed with more advanced architecture and manufacturing knowledge.
software defined vehicle
"they were not designed with the knowledge that Ford has since learned that it's got to be a software defined vehicle, that it needs zonal centralized electronic architecture,"
It means the car’s behavior is controlled more by software than by hardwired parts. That can make it easier to add features or improve the car over time.
A “software defined vehicle” is an EV (or modern car) where key functions are controlled primarily by software rather than fixed hardware. This enables faster updates, feature changes, and more centralized control strategies as the vehicle evolves.
giga castings
"that it should use mega castings or giga castings, whatever you to eliminate one hundred and thirty different stampings and all the welding that goes over."
Giga castings are extremely large metal cast parts used in the car’s structure. The idea is to build the body with fewer pieces, which can simplify manufacturing.
“Giga castings” are an even larger scale of mega castings—very large structural castings intended to replace many stamped and welded components. The manufacturing benefit is reduced part count and potentially lower cost, but it also changes how the body is engineered and repaired.
zonal centralized electronic architecture
"that it needs zonal centralized electronic architecture, that it should use mega castings or giga castings, whatever you to eliminate one hundred and thirty different stampings"
It’s how the car’s computers and wiring are organized. Instead of everything being controlled separately, the car is split into areas (“zones”) and managed in a more centralized way to simplify the system.
“Zonal centralized electronic architecture” is a vehicle electrical design where computing is centralized, but the car is divided into zones (front, rear, cabin, etc.) for controlling systems. The goal is to reduce wiring complexity and improve how features are managed across the vehicle.
mega castings
"that it should use mega castings or giga castings, whatever you to eliminate one hundred and thirty different stampings and all the welding that goes over."
Mega castings are big metal pieces made in one shot instead of many smaller parts. That can make the car easier and cheaper to build.
“Mega castings” are very large cast metal parts used in vehicle body structures to reduce the number of separate pieces. Fewer parts can mean less welding and assembly time, which can lower manufacturing cost and weight.
stampings
"whatever you to eliminate one hundred and thirty different stampings and all the welding that goes over."
Stampings are metal parts made by pressing sheet metal into shape. The speaker is saying the newer car design uses fewer of these separate metal pieces.
In manufacturing, “stampings” are sheet-metal parts made by pressing metal into a specific shape using dies. The speaker claims the newer design approach reduces the number of different stampings needed, along with associated welding.
Rivian
"I would say that that's not unusual because Rivian hasn't made a dime on anything that they start. But the"
Rivian is an electric-car company. The point here is that even EV startups can take a long time to make money.
Rivian is an electric-vehicle brand known for producing EVs and building its own vehicle platform. The speaker uses Rivian as an example of a company that has not yet been profitable on its EV program.
learning curve
"...they made a bunch of mistakes. And you know, when you have enough of a learning curve, all of a sudden, you hit that hockey stick inflection where it's like boom..."
It means “getting better with practice.” Early on, companies make mistakes, then they learn from them and improve the next version.
A learning curve is the idea that performance improves over time as a team gains experience. In EV manufacturing, early attempts often reveal problems, and later generations get better because those lessons are applied.
hockey stick inflection
"...when you have enough of a learning curve, all of a sudden, you hit that hockey stick inflection where it's like boom, we got most of the problems nailed, we can really start to ramp up."
It’s a way to describe “things suddenly take off.” After a slow period of figuring things out, progress speeds up a lot.
“Hockey stick inflection” describes a point where growth suddenly accelerates after a slow start. In the EV context, it suggests that once manufacturing and engineering issues are solved, production and adoption can ramp up quickly.
GM EV1
"...we had the EV one. [3685.1s] Yeah. EV one was brilliant. Ye, it was a terrible mistake for GM to kill it."
Tesla Roadster
"And we had the Tesla Roadster. [3695.7s]"
The Tesla Roadster was one of Tesla’s first electric cars. People bring it up because it was an early test of how to build a real, fun EV—before the bigger models came.
The Tesla Roadster was Tesla’s early electric sports car that helped prove EVs could be exciting and practical enough to build a brand around. It’s often referenced as a key “learning step” for Tesla’s later EV programs.
zonal architecture
"[3711.6s] Speaker 3: ...that to all the legacies, and I think the legacies this is just me reading the tea leaves. They didn't [3718.8s] know about software to find vehicle, they didn't know about zonal architecture."
Zonal architecture is a way of organizing the car’s electronics by different areas, like front, middle, and rear. The goal is to simplify wiring and make the car’s computer systems easier to manage and update.
Zonal architecture is an electrical/electronic vehicle design approach where the car’s wiring and control functions are organized by zones (regions of the vehicle). This can reduce wiring complexity and improve how software updates and diagnostics are handled across the vehicle.
software to find vehicle
"[3718.8s] Speaker 3: ...They didn't know about software to find vehicle, they didn't know about zonal architecture."
This phrase is about using the car’s software and connectivity to help you locate or manage the vehicle remotely. The hosts are saying traditional automakers weren’t as focused on that kind of software early on.
“Software to find vehicle” likely refers to connected-vehicle features that use software and data services to locate or interact with the car (e.g., remote location/monitoring). The point in the conversation is that legacy automakers lagged in software-centric vehicle capabilities.
Tesla Model S
"[3744.8s] Speaker 4: I mean, when the Model S comes out and it's the first production vehicle by a company that had existed for a handful of years and becomes Motor Trend Car of the Year like that, and Motor tren couldn't say enough about that car."
The Tesla Model S is an electric car (no gas engine). It was one of the first big, successful EVs that made people pay attention to Tesla and electric cars in general.
The Tesla Model S is an all-electric sedan that helped establish Tesla as a serious automaker. It was widely recognized early on for its technology and helped push other brands to take EVs more seriously.
five year plans, ten year plans
"[3848.8s] Speaker 5: ...Look at [3848.8s] the next quarter, the next Yeah, the term is the end of the year, right, and everyone else plays well not everyone, but many others play the long game, right, five year plans, ten year plans..."
They’re talking about how some companies plan for the long haul—like 5 or 10 years—while others focus on shorter-term results. Building new car technology often takes years, so the long-term approach can pay off.
The hosts contrast long-term product and technology roadmaps (multi-year planning) with shorter-term decision-making. In automotive, long development cycles are common for new platforms, powertrains, and manufacturing processes, so patience can matter for results.
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