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Welcome to the Under the Hood show. We are glad to have you with us. Russ Evans is here to answer

your automotive questions. Thanks for joining us under the hood. Shannon Nordstrom is here to do

the same. Welcome, hoodies. Thanks for tuning in so we can help you tune up. I'm Chris Carter

here to answer your calls at 866-594-4150. 866-594-4150. We've got some calls lined up coming in on

the long distance so we'll get right to those. Are we gonna get into this again? Do you have a

long distance phone bill now at all? Your 800 numbers, your 866 numbers. We still have some

different charges from our local telecom. But as a rule, they've got us on a set rate per call.

The whole world has changed in that regard. Really has. I have some information for you guys later

that was interesting to me. We'll see if it is to you. But now let's go to New Hampshire

and talk to Jonathan. Jonathan, you're on the under the hood show. What can we do for you?

Yesterday, I was driving home from work in my Mustang, not driving home, driving to work,

and the check engine light started flashing at me and the engine sounded a little off.

Now, the previous owner, I had learned from him, had replaced one of the coil packs.

So my current thought is that it might need a new set of coil packs, but currently I don't have

a OBD2 port reader. I have one coming on Saturday, but I'm kind of wondering whether it's a good

idea to just buy the parts now because that's 99% like the possibility or if I should wait

to get the reader to diagnose that. Well, it's an 04, so at 20 years old,

it's definitely time for coil packs on there for a tune up item. Coil packs and spark plugs,

we replace so many of those because they're failing and sometimes they look great on the

outside when you pull them out, but sure enough, they're burning through the side. And if you get

a code read on it, Saturday's not that far, right? It's almost like today. So yeah, just

you could take them on and take a look at it, but I think you're going to be buying the coil

packs anyways for it. It's just a tune up item issue. At the most 10 years is a long time

for any component on an engine that gets hot and cold and subject to all the wear and tear

under there. So it's like a tune up items. If we think about spark plug wires, we'd leave those on

a car for real long. No, we change those out and coil packs will go a lot longer because they're a

lot smaller item and they're a lot tougher, but yeah, they'll fail. I'd say coils and spark plugs

on that thing for sure. And one thing for other hoodies that are listening, and we've said this

many times, but we got new listeners all the time, that the flashing check engine light is a

indication that most of the time that this engine is running lean and that it is going to be

engine damage could occur if you don't get it taken care of. So do not continue to drive this car

with that flashing check engine light. And I think you already know that, but I just want to make

sure and say that for other people. And when I was at SEMA this year, one of the things that I

thought that the good representative, I can't think of his name right now from NGK and TK

that I was talking to at the booth had showed me that they're starting to sell a kit with all the

coils in one kit. And it's like a complete like you used to buy a spark plug set. And they're

selling a coil kit. And that's something that they've got available. They're going to start promoting.

And that sounded to me like a really good deal. They're going to make it a value for buying all

them at once. And they are there. They are a better deal when they do it like that, because

you get a good quality part. Plus you get, they do offer a substantial discount when you're buying

them that way. So that's something to consider. So I just, he was quick to show me that I go,

Hey, what's new? And he told me, Hey, they were pretty excited about this. So

So you think the spark plugs as well, because I pulled those out and tested them and they seem

to work great. Well, you've got to look at spark plugs by where look at the condition of them.

And if they're fairly clean yet, if they're not completely covered up in soot and carbon and

oil, whatever could be on them, look at the gap, measure that because they're not supposed to

be reset. They go in, they're already pre gap, they're ready to go. And as that gap widens,

it means that the electrodes are burning on them and it's time to replace them. So you can measure

it and compare it to what it's supposed to be. And if it's much larger than it means it's worn

and should be replaced. Otherwise you can leave them in there as long as, as long as you want.

Would you? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If a spark plugs clean and it doesn't, it hasn't burned,

there's no reason to replace it. Aren't they like 69 cents? Not anymore. Okay. 69 bucks.

The highest price spark plug I've seen that I paid my cost for so far was $24.

Oh, wow. My cost for the spark plug. For a single spark plug. Yeah. For a single spark plug.

Oh, okay. Yeah. And that's your cost. So that was probably a retail of 30 some dollars. Like 37

bucks. I think it was something like that. It was just, it was what they suggested anyways. It's,

it's insane what some of these things are going for. And it's the material in the plug that's

making that expensive. Yeah, they're using a rydium and ruthenium. Yeah, ruthenium. Sounds like

an answer or something. Jonathan, thanks very much for the call. Pray your car starts.

Let's go to Missouri and talk to Tony. Tony, you're on the end of the hood show. What can we do

for you? Hey guys, how's it going today? How are you doing today? Fantastic, Tony.

Hey, hey, uh, first, I just want to say that, uh, I really enjoy your guys' show. I'm actually

hooked on your show every day. I listen to it, uh, and, and if I'm driving, I'm a truck driver for

a living. So I always, I just go back on a loop on all your guys' shows and just listen to everything,

learn, learn about it all. Tell you guys everybody about yourself show. But it's a, it's a good thing

you got, uh, good thing going what you guys got going on. Thanks, man.

But, uh, so, uh, basically my, uh, several issues, just a question. My dad, uh, passed away

five years ago and he had a brand new F-150 that he bought about a year before he passed

and he left it to me. So I treated as a Sunday driver. Um, and in the wintertime from like,

you know, down here in Kansas City around December to like April, I just stored in my, uh,

climate control garage. Um, what I usually do and just correct me if I'm wrong,

I changed the oil in the wintertime. I use full synthetic mobile one. Um, I have a battery tender

on it and the questions I have, uh, this past fall, I changed the transfer case fluid. It's got

about 21,000 miles on it and I might only put maybe two or three thousand miles on it a year.

But like next year, I plan on doing the coolant and then probably on the transmission,

I've heard both pros and cons on the transmission flush. So I thought about just

dropping the pan, changing the filter and topping it off. I was just one that could get your guys's

input. Oh, uh, the other thing in the wintertime, I pulled out like once a month and started, uh,

kind of running up and down the street and just like let it run for about an hour.

You get up to operating temperature. Is that something you guys would recommend or, um,

I mean, is there anything I'm doing wrong? An hour's good. Well, I'm going to kind of back up here

again because I was trying to get Chris's attention about something and I didn't, what kind of vehicle

is this? It's a, uh, 2017 F-150, uh, with the 50 V8. All right. And you're, and you're, and you're

putting this thing down in a climate controlled building. When you say that, is it heated and

air conditioned or just heated or what's, what's climate? Well, it's not really heated,

but I got a, my garage is a three car garage and, uh, and it's got the, I got a dehumidifier in there

so it, so it maintains around 45, 50% humidity. Okay. So your, your, your storage conditions are

like way better than average. Yeah. Yeah. Way better than average. Yeah. That's good. And so this,

and it, at most it's sitting there for six months. Five months. Yeah. Yeah. Five, six months.

To me, that's a whole different question than people that are storing something long-term

and, or people that are storing something, um, in a non-controlled environment.

It doesn't hurt. The rules do change. Get it out and drive it. If you're going to drive it a whole

hour, that's great. If you're going to drive it for 10 minutes, don't, don't do that. Exactly.

Just get it good and hot, drive it. But Russ, I mean, in all seriousness, no, in that short

a period of time, if he's got that thing fresh, fluids in it, climate control, there's no reason

to go out and even do that hour. Is there? No, he doesn't have to. As long as it's got a battery

tender on it, you know, maintainer on the battery so you can start it up in the spring. But hey,

if it's a nice day in Kansas city in February, it could be 72 degrees. It might be a nice day.

You want to get out and drive that thing. Um, so, but if he's driving it just because he thinks he

has to, no, you don't need to. Don't drive it because you think you have to. But if you do take

it out, Russ makes a point that we, we hear, we need to correct this for people. Don't just go

out there and start it, let it run for 10 minutes and shut it off in the garage because you think

it's good for it. That's not right. You know, Chris asks us the same question every year

about putting his car away, but I want to come back to that. Cause that was an interesting,

but I mean, we basically tell him the same thing we tell you is that if your fluid is fresh and

you know, you got the, the fluid changed recently. So the chemical pack is good in it.

You're using the recommended fluids. The fluids are at the levels they're supposed to be a 2017

F 150. You typically aren't going to have fluid problems. If everything's working correctly,

take it out, enjoy it, drive it, make sure it's good and warm, pull it where you're going to park

it and shut it off and keep listening to the end of the hood. Yep. Thanks Tony. Good luck.

866-594-4150. Now let's go to Colorado and talk to Dave. You're on the end of the hood.

So Dave, what can we do for you? Hi guys, I'm working on a 5.2 Chevy Suburban and 05

and my, my insulin cluster shortened out. If I pull it out and move it around, I can get it

working and put it back in a mounted, then it goes short again. Is that more likely going to be in

the plug or is it, I checked all the wires. I can't find any place for it to be eaten through

by a rat or something. I'm wondering if it's the plug or what, what do you think? The module,

since it works off and on, would, would it indicate one way or the other to you as far as what's bad?

It's almost always the instrument cluster itself, the whole thing. I, you know, so many times,

I don't think I've ever seen it be anything but the instrument cluster. And we put in over 100

of these things at our shop in, in these trucks. They just, they just have an inherent failure in

it. And there's some people will say, just take it apart and solder this and solder that and put

it back in. It'll be fine or, or change all the, the motors out and it's just as easy to buy a complete

doorman, pre-programmed, ready to go cluster, drop them in. I, you know, I, I think they're

around a couple hundred bucks, maybe just a slightly more, but that's, it's just so much

less hassle just to buy it, put it in, walk away. You're done. You don't have those problems

anymore and they're fixed. How many miles are on this truck? This suburban? How many miles? Right

about 200,000. Okay. Well, I'm just going to throw this out as another idea too. It depends on,

you know, your market that you live in, but Chris is wondering what I'm going to say.

Sometimes I don't even know what I'm going to say. I know what he's going to say, but if it's

got a bunch of miles on it and you're not concerned about the actual mileage piece of it,

why would you be with an O5 with 200,000? Well, maybe it's the cleanest O5 200,000 miles suburban

ever, but it probably is okay that it's got 200,000 miles. And if somebody's going to buy it from you

at 250,000 miles, it's not a lot of difference in value. You might find a self-service yard that

you could go out and pull a cluster out of another vehicle and buy it for not a lot of money and try

it. The mileage will be different. And you'll have to put a sticker on there that says not actual

miles and answer your title is not actual miles, but it doesn't matter at that age. You may get

lucky and get one that works just great and you can spend way less money. Right. And if it doesn't

work and you know, there's a couple out there, you can return it and grab another one. But there's

a year range there where they fit quite a bit of stuff and they are very popular to have problems.

And I just throw that out as an idea. So, but the majority of people that have a, I would say,

a vehicle that is in really good condition or low mileage, they want to go down the road of the

remanufactured cluster because that also comes with a bonded certificate to be able to set the

miles at what your miles are when you send it in so you can keep it accurate and moving forward

without having to declare not actual miles. Does that make sense? Does that make sense?

What? Yes, it certainly does and I appreciate your time. Hey, I have one more question. We've

got a bunch of calls, but I've got to ask this question. Why did you choose a rat as your rodent

of choice when you told your story? Well, I was up in the woods, you know, I'm really heavy duty

woods up here and there's a lot to rat. So, okay. Some people choose mouse, some people choose

squirrel, but he chose rat and I want to know why rat. I mean, that sounds huge under the dash.

Dave, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. What I was thinking about was it

wasn't too many years ago when this fellow over here said, oh, I just, you can do it. You just

pull, it's got 40, little over 40 solder points. It's a piece of cake. And I said, what are you

talking about? And he was like, oh, that's nothing. Now he's all about just going and getting a different

one. YouTube videos, you can do it. Yeah. If you want to try, you can do it. 866-594-4150.

5-0. Let's talk to Brian. You're on the end of the hood show. Brian, what can we do for you?

Hey guys, I bought a 2020 Chevy Silverado LTZ in March of this year. There's 71,000 miles on it.

And this has happened to me twice. I was coming home from Duluth last month, came back,

probably South of Marshall on Highway 23. The adaptive cruise terminates and isn't available.

And I kept going down Highway 23, got close to I-90, and I started playing with it again. It

did engage and hold. I did not at that time shut down the adaptive cruise and tried just the

regular cruise. Last week I went to Huron and just ran the normal cruise. And going up 29,

I was at 80, but as soon as I put it on, it would run at 80 and it would run down to 77-76

and back up to 80 and up and down again. So I just shut it off. And I turned the adaptive cruise

on and then it would work normally. A couple of times in my work parking lot and at home in the

garage, when I put it in driver and I back up, it seems like it's stuck, like a brake is on.

So I'm assuming that the cruise control module and what's ever running the adaptive cruise

and all the sensors is probably the problem. Does that seem reasonable?

Well, maybe. The first time this thing quit and started acting up, was it raining outside or

snowy or anything like that? Dirty, did you? No, I wasn't. The only thing I've read so far

looking online is it was a bright sunny day and I was headed southwest. So the sun could have been

hitting. Is there some type of a sensor in the windshield? There is. And if that sensor gets,

if the sun hits it just right or reflects off another car, it just depends on which direction

you're going. That'll affect it. If it's dirty, if there's bugs on it, if it's raining, a bug can

land, you know, get splattered on there and then the sun can reflect off of that and cause a problem.

They get shiny sometimes, especially those pretty little green ones. Maybe a lightning bug.

Mine has that problem. I've had it where I'm driving on vacation and it doesn't work right.

And I just get out there and wipe it off and then it's fine. Especially nice. I get a coating of ice

and it won't work. It was overnight in Duluth, so there was frost. Well, one thing,

three, four o'clock in the afternoon. So to say it was dirty was possibly an accurate statement,

but it wasn't raining at that time. It was a clear day again. I was headed southwest and the sun was

hitting that. To just kind of give the realism check though, the engineers that made that stuff,

they made it knowing it was going to go into some harsher environments. They knew that truck

country is the middle of the country. It doesn't mean they always work though, right?

They're going to get, you're going to get that butterfly that splats right in the right place

that can cause problems. But some of this, is that system Russ? I always thought, and I'm not trying to

play correct here or anything, but I thought the windshield one had to do with the lane

side to side. And the radar cruise, I always thought was a sensor up in the front behind

the grille or the bumper. Well, you've got one. I know. And that's why I think my sensor is behind

the grille or the bumper when you have that adaptive cruise. If you've got right below the grille

emblem, if it's got the little round sensor, that's where it is. If it does not have that,

it's in the windshield. I do not have that on mine. Mine's in the windshield. Yours is in the

windshield. It's like my dad got a new truck and he was trying to get the adaptive cruise to work.

And of course, reading the owner's manual, I'm like, I don't think it has it because they've

got different buttons on the steering wheel. And he goes, well, yeah, it's supposed to have it.

I don't think it does. And that was what we found out is his truck just simply didn't have adaptive

cruise. I mean, they can pile these options in and out so easy now with the way the can bus

network set up. They can put an option in a truck and like during the supply chain shortages,

they're like, okay, we're pulling that option because we don't have the piece for it. And

they just would pull it out. But if you think that everything seemed reasonable and normal,

I would take a trip to the dealer and let them reprogram the system and just make sure that

everything is up to date on the software. And it could be that and check that because it is

unusual for those systems to not work, but it does happen. Brian, thanks very much for the call.

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It's time to get back under the hood with our motor medics. 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Carter.

You're on the under the hood show Carter. What can we do for you? I am dealing with some lighting

issues on my 2005 Chevy Silverado. These are the daytime running lights

and I had a couple issues with the pigtails or the connectors. They burned out so I

replaced them once and swapped to LED daytime running lights. I can't recall the light bulb

number but I ran those for about four or five months. The lights quit working so I pulled the

lights out. I got the warranty that's a part store put them back in and now I don't have any power to

my daytime running lights at all. I pulled the relay under the in the fuse box under the hood.

I found some slight burning on like the side of the relay on the case. I tested the relay put the

relay back in the fuse box still having no lights for the daytime running lights. I was just curious

if you guys could point me in the right direction. Down. I think you need to take the fuse box out

and look on the underside of it and see if your wire on the backside is burnt mostly off if not

completely off of that daytime running relay because it's pretty heavy duty but if you load

those things enough like with a shorted LED driver or something like that it'll burn that off. I

switched on mine. I switched to those LEDs five six years ago because I was still on the same ones.

Yeah because I was putting bulbs in every six seven months. And every truck you meet on the

interstate has got one or the other out. Right. It seems like they can't burn both out. No it's

using one or the other. Yeah and they stay that way forever it seems like. Does a pediddle count

for a running light? I don't think so. They say. Rules not been written yet. Replace the

harness the last 12 inches of it and the bulb and that'll fix your problem. That's GM's fix

and it doesn't work. It may last about a year with that instead of every six months. So I said I

give up and I put the new connectors on because they were melted and I hooked them to some cheap

LED. I bought the whole LED housing and I think they were 39 bucks for the pair of them. I got an

LED turn signal and an LED marker light. The running light was way brighter than the factory

bulb that was in it and it has not failed since. And it's got a little different look to it.

And it's you know it's not annoying. It's just a nice looking light. Yeah your truck looks great.

The lights. Oh not that one. That's on the Tahoe. Those are homemade. This is on the Tahoe.

Oh okay. Those on my truck weren't $39. Yeah no they're a little more money than that. The Tahoe

though is the same generation as the pickup he's describing and that's very relevant. Mine

required a hot knife and an oven and about $600 worth of parts. Not something that everybody

would do or anybody would do. But I agree. I had fun building it. One or the other. Yeah just get

the LED for it but you're gonna have to get in there and find out what's going on the bottom

of that fuse box and it may just be as simple as the bolt on connector has come loose on the

bottom of it. A lot of them weren't tight from the factory. Okay in those fuse boxes those are

pretty easy to pull out and get to the underside of them. I bet you could get that thing out of

there in three minutes. Okay. Alrighty thank you much guys. I appreciate it. That helps. Thanks

Carter. Thanks for listening. Can we play a game called name that repair and instead of name that

tune I could pull that out in two minutes. See we could race. I could have I could do that in one

minute. 866-594-4150. Let's go to Florida and talk to Nigel. You're on the under the hood show.

Nigel what can we do for you? Hey how you guys doing? Fantastic. I got a 2017 Cadillac ATS. I

recently purchased it maybe like two weeks ago. It's used. It's got 40,000 miles on it's one owner.

I was really calling to get some tips on what I should do at 40,000 miles to

you know keep it long lasting like is there any maintenance maybe I should do.

Which motor is in that one? Is that the little turbo or what motor you got in that one?

Oh it's got a 3.6. Okay all right. 3.6 it's a Florida car probably been a Florida car its whole

life so it hasn't had the one owner. It was purchased out of Boca. Okay so it doesn't have the

extreme cold that we deal with which causes a lot of oil system problems.

The friends I have that are down south compared to the people that are up here and us in our shop

they when I tell them how we got another 3.6 in with timing chains they say what?

And I'm like well yeah the timing chains went out of this 3.6 is another one. It's like well how

many of them do you do? I'm like well how many can you count like all of them?

They're all going bad. How many do we want to schedule? Yeah they're either bad or they're

going bad but down there they're like I've never put timing chains in a 3.6. What are you talking

about? And a lot of it has to do with the oils that they make today and the temperatures when

you combine them in climates that get below freezing sludge builds up where happens and

things wear out. They just have a harder time in the colder climate so you're more apt to

have a 3.6 that has a much longer life without that kind of maintenance down there. The only

problem we've ever seen with the 3.6 is the the failure in the timing chains which can

cause bigger problems but that's the only failure we've seen in one so far. I mean they're really

tough engine and even when you do replace timing chains we've seen some of them. I've got a couple

of them with over 200,000 that have had chains put in them once or twice but with yours if you

keep that oil changed on a pretty regular schedule and I like to see our customers do it three months,

three thousand miles because of our climate. If you're on the highway more in the bigger cities

where you have to get on and drive on the highway and it's completely warmed up every time you

drive it you might be able to go you know 4,000 miles on it but keep an eye on that and keep your

filters changed of course. The transmission in that car you should not have to change the fluid

and yet I'd be looking about that 80,000 mile range before I had it completely flush but I would

do it there at 80 and because of the year you know about three more years from now if you're

getting up around that 80-90,000 miles and it's 10 years old when you hit that 10 years unless you

had 100,000 before the 10 years I would probably flush the coolant in it and then just go I think

that car will last you a pretty long time. That's good to hear. I think one of my biggest concerns

at the moment because I'm still getting used to the car I noticed that the miles per gallon on the

dashboard it's only showing like average 13 and of course the car's advertised at like 19 and 20

um you know when it was new and then like when I filled the tank up I was always under the assumption

that cars pretty much no matter the size they pretty much make the tank based on the size to go 350

maybe 400 miles to a full tank but this one is like a full tank is getting like 240.

That sounds like a that sounds like a fuel economy concern to me. It does yeah because he's right

they make the cars typically they want to get over 300 miles on a range in a tank

and Russ mentioned this in his uh dissertation there on what to do what is the typical use for

your what's your drive typically? So this car was purchased as kind of like a toy it's not my primary

car I got a Toyota that I drive daily this car is something that I kind of like uh just go sporting

and I guess you could say um so it is local driven not a lot of highway use if it is I mean

I'm in a big city so if I do get on the highways just to go to like two exits up you know what I

mean it's something quick um if you're doing short trips and just kind of playing around having some

fun date car that kind of thing you're going to definitely see a much lower miles per gallon but

that still seems like a lot less than advertised. It's way less unless it's got a fuel over it.

I'm wondering if I should change like spark plugs or something. I think I Russ is about to say.

If it was my car I'm going to plug a scanner into it and look and see what it shows for fuel

trims because if it shows it's adding a whole bunch of fuel or taking away a whole bunch of fuel

then I need to go looking other directions like maybe for a vacuum leak or something

or even a mass airflow sensor that's that's really dirty because that car if it's one owner and you

somebody didn't drive it a whole lot it's possible that mass airflow sensor is dirty and it's not

letting the car read the fuel that is the primary source of the fuel trim on that car and if it's

just dirty it will throw your miles per gallon way off I've seen cars go from and if it's doing that

it can cause other problems by dumping more fuel and for sure besides just dumping more fuel so

if he's handy he could clean that himself of course as just a preemptive strike.

Barrenman B12 Chemtool it's a great product our partner makes and if you take that sensor out

and you spray it and you can just let it air dry or just blow on it don't use compressed air just

Chris says what do you do Chris? Yeah just like that. It's a Nintendo cartridge. Yeah just be gentle

with it. Not that hard. Nintendo yeah some of these people don't know what Nintendo they're not.

You know that's old guys like us know. Right. Atari 2600? Oh wait what's a Nintendo that I

saw on TV the Switch? That's even kind of old. But do they still have that cartridge? Yeah oh I

don't know if they have cartridges. They have little plug-in cartridges. Everything was downloaded

no. No no there's actual little yeah. Okay. All right. No the switch actually went to no

cartridges. My kids have got them yeah. That's what I'm thinking. What was the one before that?

Was it the crystal set? Did you make your own crystal set to pull in KDK? 2600 Atari? All right so

you do need to have somebody spend it if you don't have it yourself spend a buck or two and

have somebody do a scan on it for the fuel trims and no check engine lights right? Okay.

No check engine lights. The car is beautiful. It's super clean. Underneath the car is super clean.

The engine bay this car is definitely one owner. I don't know who owned it. I found a car under the

seat. It's like cardiovascular or something. But it might have been an older person.

Or a doctor. Could be a young doctor and dropped his own car. Or like me just likes a lot of

burgers. Just getting out there. Just so many stories we get to get. But Nigel your

instinct there is right that you'd need to get that checked out. I don't know what his driving

if it's sporting up and down and hitting the low range hitting the manual shift and playing around

a little bit on a couple streets as you're driving on you could easily bring that thing down to a

low mileage per gallon. But it would even out eventually. I'm kind of curious about these

drives he's talking about. When he said two exits I thought oh he's jumping on it.

Nigel thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. That's the number to reach us here

at the Under the Hood Show. Let's talk to Jonathan. You're on the Under the Hood Show. Jonathan what

can we do for you? Hey I have a 2000 Buick Le Sabre Limited and just recently the backlighting

core digital display on the instrument cluster went dark on me so I can't see what what the

shifter's seeing. The odometer, all of the mileage stuff that you can pull up on the

driver information center. None of that is readable. Is that going to be a fuse or am I

looking to replace the cluster for that problem? Is all of your other lighting I say all but is

your radio temp control is that stuff still seem pretty normal? Yes the the lighting the lighting

for the gauges and and so on the radio everything like that is is is still working all with the

all of the analog looking gauges. I believe they're still digital driven but you know the

analog looking gauges the speedometer is working correctly. All right well we just wanted to make

sure it wasn't like an ambient light sensor issue if this car had the different lighting packages

because sometimes that can get screwed up and shut down lighting during the day that normally

you would have and call or at night but it sounds to me that's not a cluster that they

used to have if you've ever took one apart in an old vehicle where you had bulbs you replaced in

the back. That's an integrated assembly with printed circuit boards that have diodes and

LEDs and everything that create that allure the background effect and if it's not working it's

typically a problem with that cluster. It's not a separate fuse for that or anything or you'd have

more systems down I believe and so our is this the GM cluster or is this a different this isn't a

well-known one to have problems but we we bring up the GM cluster we're kind of hard on them

because they've got a run of them in very popular trucks they've got a run of them in very popular

cars in polys and Monte Carlos and stuff that were bad and every manufacturer's got some that go bad

so right but we just talk about the other ones quite a bit because there there's so many of them.

I just read an article that said less than one percent of this vehicle has this issue but that

is more than some vehicles have in their entire run so it was kind of a it was what it was an

article about that how that can be misleading but. Russ was there ever a big run on the saber

clusters being bad? No we had a couple of them because the odometer wouldn't light up and the

shift indicator but just like a couple of them ever compared to a couple hundred of the Chevy

trucks yeah so in this particular instance is this a I'll ask the same question I asked earlier

in the show is this a super low mileage vehicle or is it something that is a work car or what's

the condition of the car? It hit a deer last year still has a wrinkled fender and hood and

I replaced the headlight that it took out but other than that last oil change was at 220 or 225

all right you've walked me right into my answer then if the car's got 200 miles on it it's not

something you're trying to maintain and preserve as a low mileage you know this is what I'm going

to use as a sales pitch when I get rid of it you are probably best served just to pick up a used

instrument cluster with a warranty and you know maybe you can find something close to your same

miles but pick one up and you can do that either through one of our partners like car dash part

and find one that has one maybe already on the shelf that they dismantled or they have a vehicle

that has one in it or in some areas you can go to a self-service yard and like at our particular

place we have a a kiosk where you can look up fitment to figure out what fits what and you

could probably get a cluster for less than 30 bucks that you can stick in there yourself if you're

handy and try it and see if the problem goes away and that's a pretty cheap remedy at that

point for that age and era of a car now once again if you are have a vehicle that you're

concerned about mileage on once you change that cluster unless you send it in through a remand

program you then have to declare that vehicle as not actual miles because you've switched the miles

but it just doesn't affect the value when they're that old that's what I want to get across to

one that you can read the mileage with an OBD2 sensor with that okay you might be able to get a

flashlight and shine in there and look and sometimes you can see the remainder of those LCDs and

also on those dimmer switches that you know try your dimmer switch that's good that's good like

move it around a little bit and see if you can play with and see if it'll because sometimes it's

that switch that goes bad that's a good point because the lighting for those instrument clusters

is separate from the LCD so when you put power to the LCD the more power the dimmer it gets

and then it works kind of opposite the more power the brighter the LEDs get so

you know the backlight in there so it's possible that there's something going on with the

with the dimming circuit which would mean if you turned all the headlights completely off the

auto lights and everything if they come on it's in that dimming circuit if you know how much you

drive I'm just trying to figure out if he would even need to replace it that's what I'm hoping

for like you can just ignore that part and oh you can feel if it's in drive reverse you know

where that you know neutral and then one gear okay we're in drive and as far as miles go if you

don't care what the miles are you can you can kind of figure that up change oil every so often

so often keep track of that though because that's so often goes goes quick really it's been three

years Jonathan thanks very much for the call 866-594-4150 back to Colorado let's talk to Chris

you're on the under the hood show Chris what can we do for you well a couple things I have a 22 year

old Ford S-cord and the S-cord I gotta get it replaced for the daughter and I'm not sure I'm not

car techie but I'm pretty sure I'm listening to that cluster problem and this one has got some

electrical issues but I can't get the headlights even though I've used the kit to uh be brighter

and then she said that the uh put the cup and go to put the charger into the cigarette thing

it's not working and yesterday we had a snowstorm a couple days ago and turned on the defrost and

it wasn't working so this car is on its way out it's been a reliable car or whatever we've needed

but we need to get it by and I'm a single mom so it's you know a lot of us out there don't

know about what's the best car because we can't necessarily buy a very expensive car for our kids

so we're trying to find something that you would recommend um you don't want to go lithium or

Prius or anything like that because um the instability of not having even an electrical

plug and state of Colorado is to forget it if you want to try to charge something so we're just

like okay we need to find out uh where exactly or what exactly you gentlemen would proffer as

what would be a good car for a 22 year old she wants a six shift she does excuse me a regular

power automatic instead of a six shift and uh I just need your help

oh boy there there are so many things out there to find a car that's fairly reliable with a manual

transmission you're gonna have to go to something a little older because they've stopped making manual

transmissions and most everything but Honda's Honda Civics were very reliable uh you go back a few

years when they still made a stick shift in one they're going to be a little more affordable

because they're a little older but they're still really reliable they've got a timing chain instead

of a timing belt so you don't have to worry about the maintenance of that overall they're very low

maintenance you basically just drive them and they have really good headlights so if I was looking

for a car and I say this I've got a couple nephews who have the Honda Civics and they are

like 2014, 2015 models and I've driven them they've got great lighting and they were fairly

affordable I remember their parents both called me and asked me about the cars when they were

getting them because you know it's like we're not car people what do we what do we do here for a car

is it a good car or not so that's one one place to look you know um otherwise you can ask if you

got a local mechanic you use now and then for some car repairs you can ask them the same question

they could probably go into a little more detail on the easy answer is the Corolla in the Civic right

I mean that's the Corolla you're not going to find with a manual trans you get back a little bit older

for that yeah but if you want to look at you know at an automatic trans if you can get over that say

let's go with automatic then definitely a Honda Accord a Honda Civic Toyota Corolla a well maintained

high mileage car you don't have to be scared of as often right for the for a price point that works

Chris thanks very much for the call hope that helps you out a little bit that'll do it for this

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