Are Off-Road Trims for SUVs Worth the Extra Money?
About this episode
“Soft rotor” is the hosts’ term for SUV trims that look and feel more off-road without adding hardcore hardware. They contrast these packages with true capability like low-range gearing, and share impressions from press vehicles driven on muddy and rocky terrain in Connecticut. The big question is whether the extra money pays off: they note tradeoffs like higher road noise from all-terrain tires, slightly worse EPA mpg (e.g., RAV4 Woodland 41 to 38), and added drag from exterior accessories. For a RAV4 Prime, they recommend charging as much as possible.
On this episode of Talking Cars, we discuss our recent evaluation of popular rugged SUV trims, sometimes called "soft roader" SUVs—including the Subaru Forester Wilderness, Honda Passport TrailSport, Toyota RAV4 Woodland, Ford Explorer Tremor, and more—to see whether they add real capability or mostly rugged styling. Plus, we answer a viewer's question about whether roof crossbars hurt fuel economy on SUVs like the Toyota RAV4 Prime.
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SHOW NOTES
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00:00 Intro
00:16 Soft Roaders Explained
00:47 What Makes an SUV a "Soft Roader"
01:44 Why CR Doesn't Do Formal Off-Road Ratings
03:56 Building and Driving the Off-Road Evaluation Course
04:56 Vehicles Evaluated
06:13 On-Road Compromises
10:26 Off-Road Impressions
12:44 The Big Role Tires Play
16:28 Should You Buy an Off-Road Trim?
20:06 Can You Add All-Terrain Tires Yourself?
21:14 Should CR Fully Test These Off-Road Trims?
21:58 Audience Question: Do Roof Crossbars Hurt Fuel Economy?
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soft rotor
"[20.5s] rotors. And you're going to tell us all about what that is. But essentially this is one of the biggest trends... [42.5s] Well, this, yeah, so a soft rotor is sort of an industry term... Basically it's an off road trim or version of a car that exists."
They’re using “soft rotor” to mean a “light off-road” version of an SUV. It’s not built for serious rock crawling, but it gets styling and a few upgrades so it looks tougher and can handle mild dirt or rough roads.
“Soft rotor” is a podcast term for an industry trend: an SUV (or crossover) off-road trim that’s meant to look and feel more rugged, without being a true hardcore off-road machine. The hosts describe it as an “off roadify” package that typically includes small ride-height changes, more aggressive tires, and rugged-looking exterior trim.
Toyota RAV4 Woodland
"[46.6s] Yeah. Yeah. Basically it's an off road trim or version of a car that exists. So [53.4s] Toyota RAV4 Woodland would be like their soft road version. Right. A normally on road oriented SUV."
The Toyota RAV4 Woodland is a RAV4 with a tougher-looking package. It’s meant to handle light off-road stuff and look more rugged, mainly through styling and a few practical tweaks.
The Toyota RAV4 Woodland is an example of a “soft rotor” style trim: a normally on-road RAV4 that’s made to look and act more rugged. The hosts say it’s “off roadified” with changes like a slightly higher stance, more aggressive tires, and rugged exterior plastics/trim.
off roadify
"[60.0s] SUV. And they kind of off roadify it a little bit. Yeah. So they're, you know, they might raise it up a tiny bit, put more altering tires on it and give it some plastics... [98.1s] Yeah. That's a new word too. Yeah. That's what this is about."
“Off roadify” just means “make it more off-road-ish.” In this context, it’s mostly small upgrades and styling changes that help the SUV look tougher and handle rougher roads a bit better.
“Off roadify” is the hosts’ shorthand for turning a regular on-road SUV into a more rugged-looking, light off-road-oriented version. In their description, it usually means small lift/ride-height changes, more aggressive tires, and added rugged exterior elements like plastics and trim.
buy on frame stuff
"[123.8s] and we take a bunch of cars through it off roadish vehicles that could go, you know, four wheel drive, [126.9s] buy on frame stuff. This is going back... [131.06s] we would drive through,"
“Body-on-frame” is a way of building a vehicle where the main structure is a separate frame, and the body sits on top. It’s often used on trucks and some rugged SUVs because it can be tougher for rough conditions.
The phrase appears to be a transcription error for “body-on-frame,” a traditional vehicle construction where the body mounts to a separate ladder-like frame. The hosts contrast this with more typical unibody/on-road SUV construction when discussing what kinds of vehicles could handle their old mud pit.
four wheel drive
"[119.3s] I can remember years ago, we had like this mud pit... [123.8s] and we take a bunch of cars through it off roadish vehicles that could go, you know, four wheel drive, [126.9s] buy on frame stuff."
Four-wheel drive means the car can send power to all four wheels. That can help it grip better on slippery surfaces like mud or dirt.
Four-wheel drive (4WD) is a drivetrain setup where power can be sent to both the front and rear axles to improve traction. The hosts mention it as one of the capabilities that older “off-roadish” vehicles on their property could have when they drove through a mud pit.
Land Rover Range Rover
"...nd we'll comment on that. If it's like, you know, Range Rover, something that has a low range, off roady thing...."
The Range Rover is a large SUV made for both regular driving and rough roads. Some versions are built to handle off-road conditions better than typical SUVs. It’s mentioned because it can be set up for more serious trail driving.
The Land Rover Range Rover is a luxury SUV known for strong off-road ability and a comfortable ride. It’s often discussed because it blends “go anywhere” capability with high-end features, which makes it a popular topic when people talk about off-road trims and “low range” driving modes. In the podcast context, it’s referenced as an example of an off-road-oriented Range Rover setup.
low range
"And we'll comment on that. If it's like, you know, Range Rover, something that has a low range, off roady thing."
“Low range” means the SUV can gear down so it moves slowly with more pulling power. That helps when you’re climbing, crawling, or driving over tough terrain.
“Low range” refers to a low-ratio gear setting (usually via a transfer case) that multiplies torque for slow, controlled crawling over obstacles. It’s a key hardware feature for serious off-road driving, not just a styling or tire change.
hill of descent
"I mean, again, they're literally the same, almost the same exact RAV4, but it might have like a motor to inside of it that has a hill of descent."
“Hill descent” is a feature that helps you go downhill slowly and smoothly. It uses the car’s systems to control speed, but it’s not the same as having true low-range off-road gearing.
“Hill descent” refers to hill-descent control, a system that helps maintain a slow, steady speed when going downhill by automatically managing braking. It improves confidence on slopes, but it doesn’t replace low-range gearing for crawling over very rough terrain.
off road trend
"And I mean, this off road trend, whichever avenue you want to take in the industry has been going on for quite some time now, right?"
The “off road trend” is when car brands add off-road styling and a few features to regular SUVs to make them seem more capable. The hosts are saying that sometimes it’s not the same as a vehicle that’s truly built for tough trails.
The “off road trend” here means automakers offering SUV trims marketed as off-road-capable, even when the changes are mostly cosmetic or limited to tires and driving aids. The hosts’ point is that some of these packages don’t deliver the core capability you get from true low-range gearing and more serious off-road hardware.
Broncos
"I mean, Wranglers are more popular than ever. The Broncos come back, the four runner sells a ton, right?"
The Ford Bronco is an SUV that’s designed for off-roading. The hosts mention it to show how popular real off-road SUVs have become, and how that demand influences other models.
The Ford Bronco is an SUV built around off-road capability and trail use, which is why it’s used here as an example of the “off-road trend.” The hosts contrast it with softer off-road trims that may look capable but lack the core hardware.
four runner
"The Broncos come back, the four runner sells a ton, right? And so it's kind of just a way to, I guess, latch on to that part of the trend too."
The Toyota 4Runner is a Toyota SUV known for being able to handle rough roads. The hosts list it as one of the popular models that makes people want more off-road capability in other SUVs too.
The Toyota 4Runner is a midsize SUV with a long reputation for off-road readiness, often associated with features like low-range gearing depending on trim. In this segment, it’s part of the list of vehicles that have helped drive mainstream interest in off-road capability.
off-road trims
"So we wanted a variety, a brand's capability, all that sizes too. Some of these are literally just slap all-terrain tires on them and call it a day."
These are special versions of SUVs that are advertised as being better for trails and rough roads. The hosts are trying to figure out whether the extra cost buys real upgrades or just looks and tires.
“Off-road trims” are factory trim packages marketed as more capable for dirt roads and rough terrain, often bundling tires, styling, and sometimes mechanical upgrades. The episode’s core idea is to separate what’s genuinely different (like suspension/drive system changes) from what’s mostly cosmetic or tire-only.
evaluated them on our course
"And what we did is basically explored that property. We created a course that spanned the perimeter of our fence line on various different types of terrain."
They set up a rough driving route with different surfaces and had several people drive the SUVs while taking notes. It’s their way of comparing which trims really handle off-road use better.
The hosts describe building a test course around a fenced property and running multiple drivers through it to compare different SUVs. This is the practical method behind the episode’s “are off-road trims worth it?” question.
Passport Trail Sport
"...e got the RAV4 Woodland, the CRV Trail Sport, the Passport Trail Sport, the Forester Wilderness, the Sportage X Pro, the..."
The Passport is a mid-size SUV made for everyday driving and family use. Some versions are set up for more rugged, outdoor-style trips than a basic model. The podcast lists it with other SUVs that have trail-focused trims.
The Honda Passport is a mid-size SUV that’s often discussed as a practical alternative for people who want more capability than a smaller crossover. In the podcast context, it’s mentioned alongside other trail-oriented trims like the CR-V Trail Sport and Forester Wilderness, which suggests the Passport Trail Sport is part of the “adventure package” conversation. It’s relevant because it’s positioned for weekend outdoor use without going fully into heavy-duty off-roading.
Explorer Tremor
"So we've got the RAV4 Woodland, the CRV Trail Sport, the Passport Trail Sport, the Forester Wilderness, the Sportage X Pro, the Explorer Tremor, and the Palisade XRT Pro."
This is a Ford Explorer trim that’s designed to handle rougher conditions better. The hosts are comparing trims to see what you really get for the extra money.
The Ford Explorer Tremor is a rugged-focused trim that’s meant to improve the Explorer’s off-road manners compared with a standard model. In this episode, it’s part of the “off-road trim” comparison to determine whether the upgrades are mostly cosmetic or actually change how the SUV behaves on muddy/rocky terrain.
Palisade XRT Pro
"So we've got the RAV4 Woodland, the CRV Trail Sport, the Passport Trail Sport, the Forester Wilderness, the Sportage X Pro, the Explorer Tremor, and the Palisade XRT Pro."
This is a Hyundai Palisade trim meant to feel more “adventure-ready.” The hosts are testing whether that means real off-road capability or mostly appearance and tire changes.
The Hyundai Palisade XRT Pro is a more rugged-styled version of the Palisade aimed at buyers who want an SUV that looks and feels more capable off pavement. The episode uses it as one of many examples where manufacturers may differentiate trims with tires and branding more than with major off-road hardware.
all-terrain tires
"Some of these are literally just slap all-terrain tires on them and call it a day. You get some fancy decals and badging here and there, but functionally, they're just tires."
These are tires made to handle more than just clean pavement. They’re usually a compromise: better traction on dirt and rough roads than regular tires, but not as specialized as true off-road tires.
All-terrain tires are designed to work on a mix of surfaces—pavement plus dirt, gravel, and light mud—using tread patterns that balance grip and durability. In the episode, the hosts argue that some “off-road trims” are essentially just all-terrain tires plus branding, which may not equal true off-road capability.
on-road department
"Generally, if you take [388.3s] a vehicle that's optimized for on-road and you make it off-road, more off-road capable, [393.7s] it's going to suffer in the on-road department."
They mean how the SUV drives in everyday street conditions. The idea is that if you build it for off-road, you might lose some of the smoothness or efficiency you’d get from a version tuned mainly for regular driving.
“On-road department” here means how well the vehicle performs and feels during normal street driving. The hosts are discussing the common expectation that making a vehicle more off-road capable (tires, gearing, suspension tuning, etc.) can hurt everyday on-road behavior and efficiency.
CR angle
"Before we go into the details of it, that's an important [414.8s] point because you were saying, Ryan, is we're really, our testing is very on-road focused. [419.6s] So when we look at something like this, CR angle, if you will, is to see what are you giving up"
“CR angle” means the way Consumer Reports looks at cars. They’re saying their tests are mostly about how vehicles do on regular roads, so the comparison is about the tradeoff for daily driving.
“CR angle” refers to Consumer Reports’ approach to testing and evaluation. The hosts explain that their testing is primarily on-road focused, so their comparison is about what you give up on-road by choosing an off-road trim rather than proving maximum off-road capability.
Honda CR-V Trail Sport
"Yeah, absolutely. So just a couple examples, these are EPA numbers only. So [490.9s] CRV Trail Sport, you go from 35 overall. I'm sorry, you go from 37 overall with the non-off-road trim to 35 overall."
The Honda CR-V Trail Sport is a CR-V version meant for rougher roads than the regular one. Here they’re pointing out that choosing this off-road trim can lower gas mileage compared with the regular CR-V.
The Honda CR-V Trail Sport is an off-road-oriented trim of the CR-V crossover, aimed at buyers who want more capability than the standard on-road setup. In this segment, it’s used to show how off-road trims can reduce fuel economy versus the non-off-road CR-V.
Honda Passport Trail Sport
"CRV Trail Sport, you go from 35 overall. I'm sorry, you go from 37 overall with the non-off-road trim to 35 overall. [498.1s] Passport Trail Sport, you go from 21 to 20."
The Honda Passport Trail Sport is a tougher, off-road-leaning version of the Passport SUV. In this discussion, it’s an example of how the off-road trim can reduce gas mileage compared with the regular Passport.
The Honda Passport Trail Sport is an off-road-focused trim of the Passport SUV, positioned as a more rugged alternative to the standard Passport. The hosts cite EPA fuel-economy differences to illustrate the tradeoff: the Trail Sport can come with lower overall mpg than the non-off-road version.
EPA difference
"You know, you see 123 miles per gallon EPA difference. So that can add up over time [517.9s] and definitely something to consider, right?"
“EPA difference” means the government-rated fuel economy numbers for different cars/trim levels. If the off-road setup lowers miles per gallon, you’ll spend more on gas over time.
“EPA difference” refers to differences in fuel economy ratings measured under U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) test procedures. The hosts use it to argue that off-road trims can cost extra money over time if they reduce miles-per-gallon.
ground clearance
"Ground clearance, again, sometimes it's just the tires, and those are what [605.8s] are giving you the higher ground clearance."
Ground clearance is how much space there is between the ground and the bottom of the car. More clearance helps the vehicle avoid scraping on bumps or uneven terrain.
Ground clearance is the distance between the road and the lowest part of the vehicle. The hosts connect it to off-road trims by explaining that sometimes clearance comes from taller tires (bigger outside diameter), and other times from a lifted suspension.
lifted suspensions
"but some of the other ones do actually have lifted suspensions. So, the Subaru, [620.6s] Subaru Wildernesses, they have that."
A lifted suspension means the car sits higher than usual. That can help it handle rough terrain, but it can also change how the vehicle feels when turning and driving normally.
A lifted suspension raises the vehicle’s ride height by changing suspension components or geometry. Here, the hosts use it to explain why some off-road trims (like Subaru Wilderness) can gain ground clearance through suspension lift rather than just larger tires.
Subaru Wildernesses
"but some of the other ones do actually have lifted suspensions. So, the Subaru, [620.6s] Subaru Wildernesses, they have that."
Subaru Wilderness is an off-road version of a Subaru. They’re saying it usually uses a raised suspension, not just bigger tires, to help with ground clearance.
Subaru Wilderness is an off-road trim line that typically includes a suspension lift compared with standard models. In this segment, the hosts contrast it with tire-only clearance increases, noting that Wilderness models “do actually have lifted suspensions.”
Outback Subaru Wildernesses
"...actually have lifted suspensions. So, the Subaru, Subaru Wildernesses, they have that. Yeah, so again, if we do buy som..."
The Outback is a Subaru vehicle that’s built like a car but with SUV-style height and capability. Some versions, like the Wilderness, are designed to go over rougher ground by raising the suspension. The podcast mentions it because those lifted setups matter if you plan to drive off the pavement.
The Subaru Outback is a wagon-based SUV known for its rugged styling and capability, including versions with off-road-oriented suspension setups. The podcast specifically mentions “Wilderness” models and lifted suspensions, which are designed to improve ground clearance for rough roads. That’s why it’s brought up in a discussion about buying SUVs that can handle trails and uneven terrain.
avoidance maneuver
"we will be able [625.8s] to actually put them through all those tests, right? The avoidance maneuver, see how the speed [630.0s] changes through that test"
An avoidance maneuver is a test where the car has to swerve to avoid an obstacle. They’re using it to compare how different off-road setups affect control and speed during the maneuver.
An avoidance maneuver is a controlled test meant to see how quickly and safely a vehicle can react when you need to swerve around something. The hosts say they’ll measure how speed changes during this test to evaluate handling differences between trims.
Subaru Forester Wilderness
"out to you guys? The Wilderness. Yeah, the Subaru, it was the Forester Wilderness. Yeah, [644.6s] I mean, the Subaru, they have a great all-wheel-drive system."
The Subaru Forester Wilderness is a special version of the Forester made for dirt roads and muddy conditions. In the discussion, it’s described as feeling more sure-footed—like it has better grip—when the trail gets wet and rutted.
The Subaru Forester Wilderness is an off-road–oriented trim of the Forester that’s meant to handle rough forest roads and muddy trails more confidently than a standard Forester. In this segment, the hosts connect that “Wilderness” setup to better traction and grip when driving on wet, rutted surfaces.
all-wheel-drive system
"[644.6s] I mean, the Subaru, they have a great all-wheel-drive system. We know that from previous snow testing [650.8s] stuff we've done and whatnot."
All-wheel drive means power goes to all four wheels, not just the front or rear. That helps the tires grip better on slippery or messy roads, which is why the hosts think it matters on muddy trails.
An all-wheel-drive (AWD) system sends power to all four wheels to improve traction when roads are slippery or uneven. The hosts specifically credit Subaru’s AWD for performing well in snow testing and for helping the Forester feel stable on wet, muddy, rutted surfaces.
muddy and whatnot
"I mean, they all did [667.0s] pretty well though. Some of the spots we drove through are pretty muddy and whatnot. Yeah, [671.8s] yeah."
“Mud pits” and rutted muddy sections are a traction challenge because the tires can lose contact with the ground and start sliding side-to-side. The hosts describe how the Wilderness felt like it had more grip in wet, rutted areas, which is exactly the kind of situation where tire grip and AWD behavior matter.
confidence
"It's [704.4s] just, you know, but even still, I think what a lot of it is, is confidence, right? How confident do [710.8s] you feel taking this vehicle through the thing, whether it can, a different vehicle could do it [714.9s] or not."
“Confidence” here means how safe and in-control the car feels when the trail gets rough. The hosts think the off-road trim helps you feel steadier, even if other versions can make it through too.
In off-road driving, “confidence” is the driver’s sense that the vehicle will maintain traction and control when conditions get rough. The hosts argue that the Wilderness trim’s real value is how secure it feels—whether or not a different vehicle could technically do the same route.
Forester Hybrid
"...o bad either. Yeah, yeah, like we took the Subaru Forester hybrid and I just remember being up on some of the mudde..."
The Forester is a compact SUV that’s meant to be useful in different driving conditions. Some versions, like the Wilderness, are built to handle rougher roads better. The podcast brings it up because it’s associated with mud and trail-style driving.
The Subaru Forester is a compact SUV known for versatility and a strong reputation for handling varied road conditions. In the podcast, it’s specifically referenced in connection with a “Forester Wilderness” and even a hybrid mention, which points to trims aimed at off-road or outdoor use. That’s why it comes up in a conversation about lifted suspensions and trail-ready setups.
BF Goodrich all-terrain KO
"Yeah, I mean, they impact this more than any of the tire experts... a real all-terrain tire, a real aggressive, like an original BF Goodrich all-terrain KO, like that's like an all-terrain, like a real all-terrain tire."
That BFGoodrich KO is a more serious off-road style all-terrain tire. It’s built for traction on rough ground, and it tends to be louder on regular roads than gentler all-terrain tires.
The BFGoodrich all-terrain KO is an example of a more aggressive, true off-road-focused all-terrain tire. Compared with milder “rugged” variants, it’s known for louder operation and a more rugged tread design aimed at durability and traction off pavement.
rugged terrain
"They call them rugged terrain, and this, that, and the other thing, or they'll call them on-road all-terrain."
“Rugged terrain” usually means a tire that looks off-road but is tuned to be easier to live with on regular roads. It’s meant to be less harsh and less noisy than the most aggressive off-road tires.
“Rugged terrain” is a marketing-style tire label used for milder all-terrain designs. The idea is to keep a more road-friendly tread and behavior while still giving the tire a tougher, more off-road-looking sidewall and appearance.
on-road all-terrain
"or they'll call them on-road all-terrain. Yeah, I've seen that term. I think Tyraq actually classifies them as."
“On-road all-terrain” tires are basically all-terrain tires that are tuned to behave better on pavement. They’re often quieter and more stable than the most aggressive off-road versions.
“On-road all-terrain” refers to a tire category that blends all-terrain styling with more road-oriented tread design. The goal is to improve highway manners (like noise and stability) while still offering some off-road capability and an aggressive look.
sidewalls
"They make them look more aggressive, They put like the sidewalls have like zigzags and chunky rubber on them."
The sidewall is the part of the tire that you see on the outside of the wheel. Some tires are made to look tougher by changing the sidewall design, even if the tread is more road-friendly.
The sidewall is the tire’s outer wall between the tread and the bead that mounts to the wheel. In these milder all-terrain tires, manufacturers may add styling cues—like zigzags and thicker-looking rubber—to make the tire look more rugged even if the tread itself is less aggressive.
shoulder
"They sometimes will close the shoulder in, meaning the tread along the shoulders isn't blocks, broken up blocks, like a normal all-terrain tire."
The shoulder is the outer edge of the tire tread. If that edge is designed differently—like having fewer, smaller tread blocks—it can make the tire feel more stable in turns and often quieter.
The shoulder is the outer edge area of a tire’s tread where it transitions toward the sidewall. The host explains that some milder all-terrain tires “close the shoulder in,” meaning the shoulder tread blocks are reduced or reshaped, which can improve stability in turns and reduce noise.
rotate your tires
"And what that does is give you more stability in turning and noise... this is why it's super important to rotate your tires no matter what, all-terrain especially."
Rotating your tires means swapping them to different corners of the car. It helps them wear more evenly, which is especially important with all-terrain tires that can start wearing in odd patterns.
Tire rotation is the practice of moving tires to different wheel positions to even out wear. The host notes that all-terrain tires can develop unusual wear patterns as they age, so rotation helps prevent uneven tread wear that can affect grip and noise.
contact pads
"because now the tread's deeper too, so these lugs are standing on their own, and as they roll through those contact pads, they start to wear on a weird angle"
The contact pads are the parts of the tread that touch the road. As the tire wears down, those areas can start wearing unevenly, especially on all-terrain tread designs.
Contact pads are the tread areas that actually touch the road surface. As all-terrain tires wear, the tread depth and lug shape change, which can cause the contact patch to load differently and lead to angled or uneven wear.
OE fitment
"Now, from the tire testing we do, replacement tires, so these are OE fitment tires, so some of these are tuned for these cars, so it's a little different, but in general,"
“OE fitment” means the tire is the one the car maker designed for that specific SUV and wheel setup. It can be chosen to match how the vehicle drives, not just to look right.
“OE fitment” means the tire size and model are specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that exact trim and wheel setup. That can include tuning for ride/handling characteristics, so an off-road trim may come with tires that behave a bit differently than generic replacements.
all-season tires
"Some of the top-rated all-terrains are very close to some of the higher or best-rated all-season tires. In terms of dry grip, wet grip, handling,"
All-season tires are meant to be a “do most things” tire for most weather. They’re usually better on smooth roads than all-terrain tires, but they may not match the traction of deeper-tread tires in rougher conditions.
All-season tires are built to balance dry-road grip, wet traction, and light winter performance without being specialized for off-road use. The segment compares them directly to all-terrain tires, noting how tread depth and tread design affect grip in different conditions.
deeper tread
"snow traction sometimes, a lot of times are better because they have that deeper tread with, you know, the more aggressive lugs and whatnot."
Deeper tread means the tire has more rubber grooves to work with. That can help it grip better in rain and snow and can keep traction longer as the tire wears down.
“Deeper tread” refers to the amount of rubber and grooves available on the tire’s surface. More tread depth generally helps maintain traction as the tire wears and can improve grip in wet and snowy conditions because there’s more material to bite and channel water/slush.
aggressive lugs
"snow traction sometimes, a lot of times are better because they have that deeper tread with, you know, the more aggressive lugs and whatnot."
Lugs are the chunky parts of the tire tread. More aggressive lugs are designed to dig in for better grip on dirt, gravel, or snow, but they can make the tire noisier on pavement.
“Lugs” are the raised tread blocks on a tire, and “aggressive lugs” means larger, more pronounced tread blocks. That tread geometry is intended to improve traction on loose or slippery surfaces, but it can also affect ride comfort and increase road noise.
continental terrain contact
"And that top-rated, or one of anyway, is that continental terrain contact, right? And while it could be tuned for the cars, we did see some of them had that, that model on them, right?"
Continental’s Terrain Contact is a particular tire model the hosts call out as doing well. They also point out it’s not meant to be the most extreme off-road tire, which is why it can work nicely on regular roads.
Continental’s “Terrain Contact” is a specific all-terrain tire model referenced as a top performer in the segment. The hosts note it’s been a strong option for a long time, but it’s not positioned as a hardcore off-road tire—helping explain why it can feel good on-road too.
tire rotation
"So, if someone's buying one of these off-road trims, do they need to worry more about tire rotation than an on-road trim? Personally, I would say you should rotate them"
Tire rotation means swapping tires to different wheel positions so they wear more evenly. That helps the tires last longer and keeps the car driving the way it should.
Tire rotation is the practice of moving tires between positions (front-to-rear and sometimes side-to-side) to even out wear. Because off-road-oriented tires can wear differently than road-focused ones, the segment suggests paying closer attention to rotation intervals to keep handling consistent.
R4s
"“...These are, you know, like those R4s are quiet car. The more you rotate them...”"
“R4s” means a four-cylinder engine. They’re talking about how the engine and the tires affect how loud the car feels in everyday driving.
“R4s” is shorthand for inline four-cylinder engines (a four-cylinder layout). The host is linking engine choice to cabin noise character, arguing that these vehicles can be “quiet” and that tire choice and rotation still matter for overall sound.
OE tires
"“...but again, that's a replacement market. OE tires, the tires that come on these vehicles from the factory...”"
OE tires are the tires that come on the car when it’s new from the factory. The hosts are saying those factory tires can be expensive too, and all-terrain replacements may cost a bit more.
OE tires means “original equipment” tires—the ones a vehicle comes with from the factory. The hosts are contrasting OE tires with all-terrain replacements, noting that OE tires can already be pricey and that off-road-oriented replacements may add a bit more cost.
miles per gallon
"“...if you like the way it looks and you're okay losing a few miles per gallon, go for it.”"
Miles per gallon (MPG) tells you how efficiently the car uses fuel. The hosts are saying off-road trims can reduce MPG a bit, often because the tires are built for grip off-road and can be less efficient on pavement.
Miles per gallon (MPG) is the fuel-economy measure of how far a vehicle can travel on one gallon of fuel. The hosts mention that off-road trims can cost you “a few miles per gallon,” likely due to more aggressive tires and added rolling resistance.
Honda Accords
"“...my sister had Honda Accords and then she had a pat...”"
A Honda Accord is a regular Honda sedan. They mention it to explain the sister’s background and why she’s interested in a Honda SUV now.
The Honda Accord is a mainstream midsize sedan, mentioned here as part of the sister’s prior vehicle history. It’s not the focus of the off-road trim discussion, but it provides context for why she’s a “Honda fan” and is now shopping for a small SUV.
pilot
"“...and then she had a pat, she had a pilot back when like the pilot was a smaller car...”"
The Honda Pilot is a larger Honda SUV. They mention it because the sister has owned Hondas before and is now looking for another SUV.
The Honda Pilot is a three-row midsize SUV, referenced as another vehicle the sister owned in the past. The host uses it to show her long-time Honda ownership and interest in buying a newer small SUV.
rolling resistance
"because people actually the rolling resistance, rolling resistance wise, pound for pound, like the same exact all terrain size and all season size and rolling resistance wise can actually be not that much different at all."
Rolling resistance is how hard it is for the tires to roll along the road. Higher rolling resistance usually means the engine has to work harder, which can reduce gas mileage.
Rolling resistance is the energy a tire needs to keep rolling, which directly impacts fuel economy. The host notes that, pound-for-pound, similarly sized all-terrain and all-season tires can have comparable rolling resistance, but other tire factors (like width) can still hurt efficiency.
aerodynamic aspect to tires
"But these tires are wider and there's actually an aerodynamic aspect to tires that can cost effect fuel economy."
Even though tires look simple, their shape affects how air flows around the car. Wider off-road tires can make the car less efficient at highway speeds.
Tire aerodynamics refers to how tire shape, tread, and especially tire width affect airflow around the vehicle. The host says wider off-road tires can reduce fuel economy even if rolling resistance isn’t dramatically different.
Wrangler
"She looking for a new SUV wants something a little off roady. If she was looking at the passport and her other option was like, Oh, I might buy a Wrangler or something."
The Jeep Wrangler is a very off-road-focused SUV. The host is saying that if someone won’t actually go off-roading much, a Wrangler might be more than they need.
The Jeep Wrangler is a Jeep SUV known for its off-road heritage and reputation for serious trail capability. In this segment, it’s used as a comparison point to show that some buyers may want a more off-road-looking SUV without giving up as much as they would with a Wrangler.
load and speed rating
"As long as you satisfy the load and [1210.1s] speed rating, size requirements, all that stuff, the safety stuff."
Tires have limits: they’re rated for how much weight they can support and how fast they’re designed to go. If you swap tires, you need to make sure the new tires meet the same safety limits as the original ones.
A tire’s load and speed rating are the maximum weight it can safely carry and the highest speed it’s engineered to handle. If you change tire sizes or types, you must keep these ratings within what the vehicle manufacturer specifies for safe operation.
stability control
"And we don't necessarily know how the manufacturers are tuning stability control and [1230.3s] traction control and stuff for the tire."
Stability control is the car’s electronic safety system that helps keep you from losing control when the tires start to slip. If you change tire types, the car may not “match” the new grip as perfectly as it does with the original tires.
Stability control is an electronic system that helps prevent a car from sliding out of its intended path by applying brakes and adjusting engine output. The hosts point out that manufacturers calibrate stability control around the tires the car originally came with, so changing tire type can affect how well the system matches the new grip characteristics.
traction control
"And we don't necessarily know how the manufacturers are tuning stability control and [1230.3s] traction control and stuff for the tire."
Traction control helps stop the wheels from spinning uselessly when you accelerate on slippery surfaces. If you put different tires on the car, the system may react differently because the tires grip differently than stock.
Traction control reduces wheel spin by modulating engine power and/or braking individual wheels when the tires lose grip. Like stability control, it’s calibrated based on expected tire behavior, so aftermarket tire changes can alter how the system intervenes.
OE
"I mean, they always tune for the tires that are OE on [1236.2s] that vehicle, right?"
OE means the original parts the car came with from the factory. The car’s safety electronics are often set up to work best with those original tires.
OE means “original equipment,” i.e., the tires (and other parts) the vehicle manufacturer specified for the car when it was built. The hosts argue that stability/traction systems are tuned for those OE tires, so swapping to different aftermarket tires can change the car’s behavior.
Kia Sportage
"But I mean, I think the least off-road of all of them was either the CRV or the [1253.7s] Kia Sportage, right? Whereas tires were the biggest part."
The Kia Sportage is a popular SUV model. In this segment it’s used as a comparison point, and the hosts say the tires you choose are usually the biggest reason the car feels more or less off-road.
The Kia Sportage is a mainstream compact SUV, mentioned here alongside the Honda CR-V as one of the least off-road-leaning vehicles in the group. The discussion centers on how tire choice drives real-world differences more than the presence of off-road modes or trim badges.
2023 RAV4 Prime
"Ozzy from Los Angeles. He writes in and says, [1320.7s] everyone's concerned about fuel efficiency right now. My 2023 RAV4 Prime came installed with [1326.8s] crossbars. Should I take them off for more efficiency?"
The 2023 Toyota RAV4 Prime is a hybrid SUV you can plug in to charge the battery. The question here is whether taking off the roof racks/crossbars helps it use less fuel, because those parts can create extra wind resistance.
The Toyota RAV4 Prime is a plug-in hybrid version of the RAV4, combining an electric drive system with a gasoline engine. In the question, the host is asking whether removing roof crossbars would improve fuel efficiency, which is mainly about reducing aerodynamic drag.
crossbars
"everyone's concerned about fuel efficiency right now. My 2023 RAV4 Prime came installed with [1326.8s] crossbars. Should I take them off for more efficiency?"
Crossbars are the bars on top of the car that you use to mount a roof rack or cargo. They can make the car less efficient because they create extra wind resistance.
Crossbars are the roof-mounted bars used to attach items like roof racks or cargo carriers. They can slightly hurt fuel economy because they add aerodynamic drag, which is why the question asks whether removing them would improve efficiency.
fuel economy
"Yeah. Good question. The minute you put anything on the outside of your car, you're going to take some fuel economy away."
Fuel economy is basically how many miles you can drive on a gallon of gas (or how much fuel you use per distance). The discussion is about how adding things on the outside can make the car less efficient because it has to fight the air more.
Fuel economy is how efficiently a vehicle converts fuel into distance, commonly expressed as miles per gallon (MPG) or liters per 100 km. The speaker’s point is that external accessories can reduce fuel economy by increasing aerodynamic drag (“pushing wind”).
roof bars
"Now, these are the, I'm assuming these are the factory bars that come out. It sounds like it. They're designed to not be like these, you know, you put aftermarket ones on that are big chunky mounts."
Roof bars are the bars that sit on top of a car to hold things like bike racks or cargo. They can slightly reduce gas mileage and sometimes add wind noise because they affect how air moves over the roof.
Roof bars are crossbars mounted on a vehicle’s roof that support accessories like bike racks or cargo boxes. Even when they’re factory-installed, they can affect fuel economy and noise because they change airflow and can create wind noise.
bike racks
"We've done some testing, but we didn't do testing with just the bars. We put like bike racks without bikes on them and certain things like that."
Bike racks are the mounts you use to carry bicycles. They can hurt mileage a bit even when they’re empty, because they still change the airflow around the vehicle.
Bike racks are roof- or hitch-mounted carriers used to transport bicycles. The speaker mentions testing with bike racks (without bikes) to isolate how much the rack hardware itself contributes to fuel-economy loss and wind resistance.
aerodynamic drag
"And we did notice it takes a little bit of fuel economy away because you're, it's just, you're pushing wind."
Aerodynamic drag is the “air resistance” that slows your car down. If you add things on the outside (like roof bars), the air doesn’t flow as smoothly, so the car has to work harder and may get worse gas mileage.
Aerodynamic drag is the resistance a vehicle experiences as it moves through air, and it rises with features that disrupt airflow. The speaker connects roof bars and racks to drag: they “push wind,” which can slightly reduce fuel economy.
Ford F150
"but yeah. I mean, I, when they do the EPA numbers for this, I'm sure they don't put, you know, they take the version without a bar on it and make it, because they're probably at the awareness to all the accessory and all that stuff, right?"
They mention the Ford F-150 as an example of a less fuel-efficient vehicle. The point is that when you add extra gear that makes the truck work harder against the air, the mileage drop can be more noticeable than on a smaller, more efficient SUV.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck, and the speaker uses it as a comparison point for fuel-economy impact. The claim is that aerodynamic add-ons can cost more fuel on less-efficient vehicles, so the same accessory penalty feels bigger on an F-150 than on a compact SUV.
EPA numbers
"I mean, I, when they do the EPA numbers for this, I'm sure they don't put, you know, they take the version without a bar on it and make it, because they're probably at the awareness to all the accessory and all that stuff, right?"
EPA numbers are the official fuel-mileage ratings you see for cars in the U.S. They’re measured using standardized tests, so your real mileage can differ—especially if you add extra gear on the outside.
EPA numbers refer to fuel-economy ratings published by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) based on standardized test procedures. The speaker argues that the test may not perfectly match real-world accessory configurations, which is why you can see differences when you add items like roof bars or racks.
fuel efficiency
"but if you really are concerned about fuel efficiency, certainly if you have a RAV4 Prime"
Fuel efficiency is basically how many miles you get for the amount of gas (or energy) you use. For plug-in hybrids, it changes a lot depending on whether you’re driving on electricity or gas. Charging and driving smoothly can help you get better numbers.
Fuel efficiency is how effectively a vehicle converts fuel energy into distance traveled, often reflected in miles per gallon (or equivalent for hybrids). For plug-in hybrids, it depends heavily on how much you drive on electricity versus gasoline. Charging strategy and driving style can noticeably change the outcome.
electric portion of the drivetrain
"make sure you're charging it as much as you can. Yeah. Just to use the electric portion of the drivetrain there"
“Electric portion of the drivetrain” refers to the time the vehicle is powered primarily by its electric motor(s) rather than the gasoline engine. In a plug-in hybrid like the RAV4 Prime, charging determines how much of your trip can be done electrically. Using more electric power generally improves fuel economy.
stretch your fuel tank
"essentially how to like stretch your fuel tank, right? So go check that out and"
It means trying to get more miles out of each tank of gas. You do that by driving in a way that uses less energy and, for plug-in hybrids, by using electricity when you can. The goal is fewer trips to the pump.
“Stretch your fuel tank” is an enthusiast way of saying you want to maximize the distance you can drive before refueling. It typically comes from combining efficient driving habits (smooth acceleration, steady speeds) with managing how the vehicle uses its power sources. In plug-in hybrids, it also means using more electric driving when possible.
sound meter
"Get a sound meter maybe, or use your tuned ear."
A sound meter is a device that measures how loud something is. It can help you compare how noisy the car is in a fair, number-based way. That’s useful when you’re trying to tell whether changes actually make the car quieter.
A “sound meter” measures noise level in decibels, which can help quantify how loud a vehicle is under certain conditions. That matters when comparing trims or setups where noise (like tire or wind noise) might change. The host suggests using one to track differences objectively.
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