BMW's hydrogen breakthrough, £3k sports cars and the most disappointing cars
About this episode
Sam Sheehan and Cam bounce between big automotive themes: two departing performance icons (Alpine A110 GTS going electric and Audi RS6 Avant GT being replaced by a plug-in hybrid) and what it’s like to drive them in brutal weather. They then dig into Honda’s new Prelude hybrid’s “faux gear” gimmick and why it’s fun but not quick. BMW’s hydrogen iX5 update takes center stage—compact carbon-fiber storage, ~385-mile range, ~5-minute fills, and the uphill battle versus fast-charging EVs. The episode ends with a PH-style “most disappointing cars” debate and a £3k sports-car buying challenge.
Thought hydrogen cars were a thing of the past? Think again. BMW’s pressing on with its hydrogen fuel cell iX5, and has found a clever way to package the tanks while upping the range. But BMW isn’t the only manufacturer still putting its eggs into the hydrogen basket, with Toyota and Alpine also going big on H2. Who will join them next?
As ever, there’s a buying challenge to get stuck in to, with one PHer looking for a fun drop top sports car fro £3,000, before diving in to the most disappointing cars you’ve ever driven.
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0:00 Intro
0:18 Alpine A110 GTS and Audi RS6 GT
5:44 Honda Prelude UK Review
10:42 BMW iX5 Hydrogen's clever tanks
23:17 Toyota GR Corolla Hydrogen and GR LH2 Racing Concept
26:49 Alpenglow Hy6
31:13 £3k sports cars
33:01 Toyota MR2, BMW 325ti, Peugeot RCZ
39:37 Mercedes SLK, Mini Coupe JCW, Ford StreetKa
48:40 The most disappointing cars
TOPICSBMW iX5 Hydrogen: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/new-bmw-ix5-hydrogen-primed-for-385-mile-range/51072£3k sports cars: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=255&t=2140274The most disappointing cars: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=2139346CARSSam's BMW 325ti: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19712442Cam's Ford StreetKa: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13584645FOLLOW US: 🗣 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pistonheads 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pistonheads 🐦 X: https://twitter.com/pistonheads
Alpine A110
"Sam, you've been driving an A110 GTS. [19.4s] Yes."
The Alpine A110 GTS is a small, sporty car made to feel fun and agile. The hosts are saying it’s being phased out and replaced with an electric version, which changes what the car is “about.”
The Alpine A110 GTS is a performance version of Alpine’s lightweight sports car, known for sharp handling and a driver-focused feel. In this episode it’s discussed as a model that’s “bowing out” and moving toward an all-electric future, which is a big deal for fans of the current formula.
RS6 GT
"And an RS6 GT. [22.5s] Yeah, very different."
The Audi RS6 GT is a very fast, performance-focused version of the RS6 wagon. The episode notes it’s being replaced by a plug-in hybrid, meaning the next one won’t be the same type of car.
The Audi RS6 GT is a high-performance variant of the RS6, typically aimed at buyers who want fast acceleration and everyday usability in one package. Here it’s described as being replaced by a plug-in hybrid successor, highlighting how regulations and electrification are reshaping even big, powerful wagons.
Porsche Cayman
"you know, me, I'd instinctively say four, five, eight, speciale and a Cayman GT4 or something,"
The Porsche Cayman GT4 is a track-focused sports car variant known for its sharp handling and enthusiast-oriented setup. The hosts mention it as an example of a “traditional” pick for a two-car driveway, but note it wouldn’t be practical—showing how their criteria balances fun with real-world usability.
B roads
"one's really entertaining and great for B roads."
B roads are the smaller country roads with lots of curves. They’re great for driving because the road itself tests how good the car feels in turns.
“B roads” are smaller, often twistier routes than major highways, typically with lots of bends and elevation changes. They’re a favorite for enthusiasts because they reward chassis balance, steering response, and power delivery—exactly the kind of driving the hosts are describing for their two-car garage idea.
plug-in hybrid successor
"In fact, the RS6 Avant GT already bowed out to be replaced by a plug-in hybrid successor."
A plug-in hybrid is a car that can run on electricity, but it also has a regular engine as backup. Charging it from a plug helps it use less fuel, but it can change how the car drives compared with a traditional setup.
A plug-in hybrid (PHEV) uses both an electric motor and an internal-combustion engine, and you can charge it from an external power source. When a performance model is replaced by a plug-in hybrid successor, it often means the driving character and packaging change—sometimes trading some “pure” feel for lower emissions and better efficiency.
Audi RS6 Avant
"...overed, both of them are bowing out. In fact, the RS6 Avant GT already bowed out to be replaced by a plug-in ..."
The Audi RS6 Avant is a fast version of a wagon. It’s meant to carry people and stuff, but still drive very quickly. The podcast brings it up because there’s a newer direction coming for the model.
The Audi RS6 Avant is a high-performance wagon that combines everyday practicality with serious power. The podcast notes the RS6 Avant GT and also mentions a shift toward a plug-in replacement, indicating how the model line is evolving. It’s discussed because it’s a standout example of a “fast family” car and because its future direction is changing.
488 GTB
"and be totally different and benchmarked against the 488 GTB."
The Ferrari 488 GTB is a famous fast supercar. Saying the next Alpine will be benchmarked against it means they’re aiming for similar “how it feels to drive” performance, even if the technology is different.
The Ferrari 488 GTB is a mid-engine supercar that’s often used as a benchmark for performance and driving feel. The episode claims the upcoming electric Alpine A110 will be “benchmarked against the 488 GTB,” implying the new car aims to match that level of performance/engagement despite a different powertrain.
summer tires
"So two or three degrees, both on summer tires. Obviously the RS6 actually was okay because it's quite weighty."
Summer tires work best when it’s warm. In cold, wet weather they don’t grip as well, so the car can feel less predictable.
Summer tires are designed for warm temperatures and can lose grip in cold weather, especially on wet roads. The host highlights that both cars were on summer tires at around 0–2°C, which helps explain the “skittish” behavior and scary moments.
all-wheel drive
"Obviously the RS6 actually was okay because it's quite weighty. It presses down to the tarmac and all-wheel drive, of course."
All-wheel drive means the car can send power to more wheels for better grip. That helps when the road is wet or cold so the car feels more controlled.
All-wheel drive (AWD) sends power to more than just the front or rear wheels, improving traction when roads are slippery. In the segment, the host credits the RS6’s AWD and weight for keeping it stable on cold, wet roads.
under steering moments
"Not power over steering moments, under steering moments. It has a lot of sideways."
Understeer is when you turn the wheel but the car keeps going more straight than you want. It usually means the front tires aren’t gripping enough.
Understeer (often felt as “under steering”) happens when the front tires lose grip and the car turns less than the driver expects. The host contrasts this with power oversteer, saying their scary moments were more about the car not rotating as intended.
power over steering
"But yeah, on that day, I did have a few scary moments. Not power over steering moments, under steering moments. It has a lot of sideways."
This is when you press the gas and the back of the car starts to slide outward. It can be fun, but it’s also something you need to catch quickly.
Power oversteer is when adding throttle causes the rear of the car to step out, leading to oversteer. The host mentions “power over steering moments” as something they were watching for, implying the car could become lively under acceleration.
630 horsepower
"That's the thing I took away from that car the most was I thought it was going to be, obviously very quick, 630 horsepower. I knew it was going to be rapid, but I thought it was going to feel weighty."
Horsepower is how much power the engine makes. More horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder, which is why they expected it to feel a certain way.
Horsepower is a measure of engine output, and higher numbers generally mean stronger acceleration potential. The host references “630 horsepower” to set expectations for how the RS6 GT would feel, then notes it surprised them by not feeling heavy and pendulum-like.
pendulomy
"I thought it was going to feel weighty. It was going to be a bit pendulomy. You know, you get the tail around. It's going to be a bit like, I can't hang on to this."
They’re describing a feeling where the car seems to swing around and you can’t easily keep it settled. They expected that, but the car didn’t behave that way.
“Pendulomy” is a descriptive way to say the car feels like it swings or pivots around its center—often associated with a heavy, rotating feel where the tail can feel hard to control. The host says they expected that kind of behavior but found the car felt the opposite.
aquaplane
"[222.5s] it's so heavy that it just, it doesn't feel like it could aquaplane in any way. [230.6s] I am always gripping, always gripping, but also it has that wonderful thing."
Aquaplaning is when water builds up under the tires and they can’t grip the road well. When that happens, the car can feel like it’s sliding and steering becomes less reliable.
Aquaplaning (hydroplaning) happens when tires lose contact with the road due to a layer of water, causing reduced steering and braking control. Tire grip and vehicle dynamics—like suspension setup and tire loading—affect how likely it is.
negative camber
"[234.7s] because of the coilovers and the geometry has got a bit of negative camber. [242.8s] sort of like lethargic on the nose and a bit heavy, but actually I guess it's all geometry and those coilovers,"
Negative camber is when the tires lean slightly inward at the top. It can make the tire contact patch work better when you’re turning, so the car feels more grippy and responsive.
Negative camber means the top of the tire tilts inward toward the car body. Under cornering load, it can help the tire stay more square to the road, improving grip and steering feel.
coilovers
"[234.7s] because of the coilovers and the geometry has got a bit of negative camber. [238.6s] The engine in these Audi's, even these modern ones are still right over the nose."
Coilovers are suspension parts you can adjust. They help the car sit and react more precisely when you turn, so the tires stay planted instead of feeling floaty.
Coilovers are adjustable suspension units that combine a spring and shock absorber. Changing their setup (ride height and damping) can sharpen steering response and help the car maintain tire contact during cornering.
weight and steering feel (lost in the weight vs reactivity)
"[259.4s] direction of travel or the correction you make. [264.0s] Some cars, especially bigger and heavier cars, [267.1s] you can put some corrective lock in and there's a little bit of like it gets lost a little bit in all the weight, I guess. [273.0s] But in this it's not, it's got that kind of reactivity of a much lighter car"
Heavier cars can sometimes feel slower to respond when you turn. This car apparently uses suspension tuning so it still reacts quickly, without feeling nervous.
He’s describing how heavier cars can feel less immediate because inertia can “dampen” the driver’s inputs. Here, suspension geometry and damping make the car feel reactive like a lighter car while still feeling stable and secure.
Audi Rs3
"...d then to see what they've also done with the new RS3, competition limited, which is going to be, which..."
The Audi RS 3 is a high-performance version of a small Audi car. It’s made to be quick and fun to drive, not just practical. The podcast mentions a limited “competition” version of the newer RS3.
The Audi RS 3 is a performance compact car built for quick acceleration and sharp handling, based on the A3 platform. The podcast mentions the “new RS3” and specifically notes “competition limited,” pointing to a special version or restricted production. It’s discussed because it represents Audi’s high-performance approach in a smaller, more usable package.
Honda Prelude
"...it was enough to get very familiar with the new Honda Prelude. We'd actually driven it in Europe somewhere... So I just did a little catch up to see what it was like on the UK roads."
They’re talking about the new Honda Prelude and what it’s like to drive. Even though it’s a hybrid, they’re judging whether it still feels “sporty” in day-to-day driving.
The hosts are discussing the new Honda Prelude and how it feels on UK roads after earlier drives in Europe. They focus on its hybrid layout and how that affects driving character, sound, and engagement.
Atkinson Cycle combustion engine hybrid
"...it's a Atkinson Cycle combustion engine hybrid. So it sounds very sensible... it's a combustion engine, two-litre petrol engine that basically charges an electric motor."
This refers to a special type of gasoline engine (Atkinson Cycle) that’s tuned more for efficiency than raw power. In a hybrid, the car can use the electric motor too, so it doesn’t have to rely on the engine all the time.
An Atkinson Cycle engine is designed to improve efficiency by using a longer expansion stroke than compression stroke. In a hybrid setup, that efficiency-focused engine works alongside an electric motor to provide propulsion while reducing fuel use.
hybrid setup
"...it's a sporty-ish coupé with this hybrid setup... because it's kind of set up like a civic hybrid..."
They’re talking about the car’s hybrid system—how the gas engine and electric motor team up. Depending on how it’s programmed, it can feel sporty or it can feel a bit disconnected.
The hosts describe the Prelude as a sporty-ish coupe built around a hybrid system, where a petrol engine and electric motor work together. How that system is calibrated can strongly influence throttle response, smoothness, and whether the car feels engaging.
hidden door handles on the back door
"...there's this constant like the minuscule hidden door handles on the back door. So Honda's gone about it... giving you an affordable-ish, sporty-ish coupé."
These are door handles that are tucked into the body so the car looks sleeker. The trade-off is that they can be a little less convenient than normal handles when you’re trying to get in quickly.
Hidden (or flush) rear door handles are a styling choice often used to preserve a clean, coupe-like silhouette. They can also affect usability and how quickly occupants can access the rear seats, especially compared with conventional handles.
Honda Civic
"...e, well, because it's, it's kind of set up like a civic hybrid, it's not brimming with engagement initial..."
The Honda Civic is a small, everyday car made by Honda. Some versions are designed to use fuel more efficiently, including hybrid-style setups. People talk about it because it’s a common benchmark for how a normal car drives.
The Honda Civic is a compact car known for being practical and efficient, with versions that can be set up for hybrid-style driving. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in the context of how it feels and how engaging it is (or isn’t) right away. That makes it a common reference point when discussing everyday performance versus “fun.”
faux gears
"...you've got this sport... S plus button... where the faux gears... but instead of an electric powertrain... you're actually... controlling... the amount of revs coming from the engine."
Faux gears are fake “gear changes” that make the car act a bit more like a normal gearbox. But instead of changing how power is transmitted, it mainly changes engine revs, so it can feel odd or less smooth.
Faux gears are simulated gear steps used in some hybrid/EVs to mimic a traditional manual or automatic shift feel. In this case, the “gear” changes are tied to engine rev behavior rather than actually changing drivetrain ratios, which can make the response feel disconnected.
Hyundai Ioniq 5N
"...you get faux gears like you would on a, say an IONIQ 5N, but instead of an electric powertrain that you're controlling..."
They mention the Hyundai IONIQ 5N to compare how “fake gears” are used in different cars. The key point is that the Prelude’s system doesn’t translate to the same kind of driving feel.
The hosts reference the Hyundai IONIQ 5N as an example of a car that uses a “faux gear” style driving mode. They’re using it as a comparison point to explain why the Prelude’s faux-gear behavior feels different—because the Prelude’s revs are being manipulated rather than an EV’s torque delivery.
engine noise
"You can easily, if you've got a passenger in and didn't tell you you didn't have an engine... Whereas this sounds like everyone could tell. Both are fake. Yeah. It's just, it does have an engine, but it's not powering the wheels."
Some cars play engine sounds through the speakers. That way it feels more normal, even if the engine isn’t actually doing the work to move the car.
The hosts are describing a car that produces simulated or “fake” engine sound. In some hybrids/EVs, the sound is played through speakers to mimic combustion-engine noise even when the engine isn’t driving the wheels.
EV/engine not connected to the wheels (power delivery decoupling)
"...it's just, it does have an engine, but it's not powering the wheels. It's not connected to the front axle. It's not actually powering."
They’re saying the car has an engine, but it isn’t actually turning the wheels. Instead, the wheels are driven by another source (like an electric motor).
They describe a setup where the car has an engine, but it isn’t directly powering the front axle. That’s a key difference between traditional cars and certain hybrid/EV architectures: the engine may run for charging or auxiliary purposes while the wheels are driven electrically.
hybrid powertrain (engine + electric motor working together)
"It's not actually powering. Unless you're in, unless you're kind of at higher speeds, and that's where the combustion engine then works in tandem with the electric motor to give you the full 184 horsepower."
In a hybrid, the car can use electricity, the engine, or both. At certain speeds or situations, the engine and electric motor team up to give stronger performance.
They explain that the combustion engine and electric motor can work together at higher speeds. That’s a typical hybrid strategy: the electric motor handles some driving conditions, while the engine joins in to provide additional power and efficiency.
184 horsepower
"...the combustion engine then works in tandem with the electric motor to give you the full 184 horsepower. I think."
They’re talking about how much power the car can make overall. In a hybrid, that number usually includes both the engine and the electric motor working together.
They reference the car’s combined output as “184 horsepower,” which is the total power available from the hybrid system (engine plus electric motor). Combined ratings matter because the car’s real-world feel depends on how and when that power is delivered.
0 to 62
"...it's not especially quick either. It's, you know, the official figure is not to 62 in north of eight seconds."
“0 to 62” is how fast the car accelerates from a stop to 62 mph. It’s a simple way to compare performance between cars.
“0 to 62” is shorthand for acceleration from 0 mph (or 0 km/h) to 62 mph (100 km/h). It’s a common performance metric used to compare how quickly cars feel in everyday driving and overtakes.
Civic Type R
"However, it's got some hardware from the Civic Type R. So brakes are from the Civic Type R, suspensions from the Civic Type R."
They say the car uses some parts from the Honda Civic Type R. Those parts are designed for sharper handling and stronger braking, which can make the car feel more fun to drive.
The hosts claim this car borrows performance hardware from the Honda Civic Type R—specifically brakes and suspension. That kind of parts sharing can improve steering feel, braking confidence, and overall chassis balance, even if the powertrain isn’t the quickest.
adaptive suspension
"So brakes are from the Civic Type R, suspensions from the Civic Type R. So the adaptive as well. Adaptive suspension."
Adaptive suspension adjusts how stiff the car feels while you drive. It can make the ride smoother on bad roads and more stable when you’re driving hard.
Adaptive suspension automatically changes damping/ride stiffness based on driving conditions. The goal is to balance comfort with control—softening for rough roads and firming up for sharper handling.
"layered" powertrain and chassis
"...it is genuinely a real joy. And it's so much going on. The powertrain's so layered and the chassis is so layered that it's, it's a fantastic little thing."
They mean the car feels like it has multiple levels of response. As you drive faster or slower, the way power and handling come in feels smooth and well matched.
“Layered” suggests the car’s behavior changes smoothly across modes and speeds—power delivery and chassis response feel coordinated rather than abrupt. Listeners may benefit from understanding that hybrid systems can feel “layered” because electric torque and engine power overlap differently depending on conditions.
VTEC engines
"...the meteggies, the screaming 8000 RPM VTech engines. Whereas really when I was driving it, I was like, this feels like a modern interpretation..."
VTEC is Honda’s technology that helps the engine breathe better at different speeds. It’s why some Hondas feel especially exciting when you rev them higher.
VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) is Honda’s system for changing valve timing and lift to improve performance and efficiency. The “screaming 8000 RPM” description highlights how VTEC can make an engine feel like it comes alive at higher revs.
BMW iX5 hydrogen
"...BMW has come out with an update on its IX5 hydrogen... come 2028... we can expect the first production cars to arrive that being at the moment, the IX5 hydrogen."
The BMW iX5 hydrogen is BMW’s hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle concept/program discussed in the segment. The hosts say BMW is working on improved hydrogen storage technology to boost range and aims to have hydrogen infrastructure ready by around 2028, with production cars expected to arrive then.
hydrogen fuel cell storage
"...if you have a hydrogen car, this being a hydrogen fuel cell, obviously you need to store the hydrogen somewhere. It has to be pressurized to an extremely high rate... a massive tank to store it in... huge amount of boot space..."
Hydrogen cars have to keep hydrogen somewhere safe, and it’s not easy to store. Because of that, the storage system can take up a lot of space and affect how practical the car feels.
Hydrogen fuel-cell cars must store hydrogen at very high pressure, and the storage approach strongly affects packaging and range. The segment explains why hydrogen is difficult to store (including the need for extreme conditions if using liquid hydrogen), and why earlier designs used large tanks that take up boot space.
boot space
"...normally what you've had in the past is a massive tank to store it in. That can take up a huge amount of boot space or rear space."
Boot space is the trunk/cargo area, and for hydrogen cars it can be affected by where the hydrogen tanks or canisters are placed. The segment notes that earlier storage approaches could take up a huge amount of rear space, reducing practicality.
Toyota Mirai
"What Toyota did with the second generation Mirai is they split it into three canisters, kind of where the transmission tunnel would be."
The Toyota Mirai (second generation) is referenced as an example of how to package hydrogen storage more efficiently. The hosts say Toyota split the hydrogen storage into multiple canisters (around the transmission tunnel area) to reduce the amount of space taken from the cabin and rear.
carbon fiber reinforced polymer
"create seven much more compact, long and thin cylinders out of carbon fiber reinforced polymer. They look like the sausages you get in Germany."
Carbon fiber reinforced polymer is a strong but lightweight material. BMW uses it to build hydrogen storage cylinders that can fit better in the car.
Carbon fiber reinforced polymer (CFRP) is a lightweight, strong composite material. In this hydrogen setup, BMW uses CFRP to make the storage cylinders smaller and more space-efficient than traditional tank designs.
hydrogen storage
"So actually BMW says that it doesn't have any effect or any compromise on space as what they would in a battery car. So that is one of the major problems that you'd get with a hydrogen car is storing the damn thing."
Hydrogen storage is one of the biggest challenges for hydrogen cars because hydrogen takes up a lot of volume. The transcript highlights how BMW’s compact cylinder layout aims to reduce the space penalty compared with earlier hydrogen packaging.
valve-controlled hydrogen tanks
"before you would have tanks that were individually valved... This one though, they're all interconnected and controlled by one valve, which BMW said is better at providing consistent performance..."
This is about how the car controls the flow of hydrogen from its tanks. Instead of managing each tank separately, BMW connects them and controls them with one valve to keep the delivery steadier.
The transcript describes a design change in how hydrogen tanks are managed: earlier systems used individual valves per tank, while BMW uses interconnected cylinders controlled by a single valve. The claim is that this improves consistent performance by regulating flow more uniformly.
range vs EV real-world driving
"you'll get a range of 385 miles... which coming to think of it is actually a little bit rubbish because you've got EVs these days that can do well north of... claimed my real world during my test was for 20 ish, but it's still good."
The episode compares claimed hydrogen range (up to about 385 miles) with how EVs can achieve much longer distances in practice. It also notes that real-world results can differ from claims, using an example where the speaker’s test showed a lower real-world figure.
charging/infrastructure advantage for EVs
"EV will do well more the infrastructure is there. And, you know, what's what's the point? Well, charging essentially or filling. So if"
The discussion argues that EVs have an advantage because charging infrastructure is more widely available than hydrogen fueling. That makes “filling” practical for more drivers, which can matter as much as vehicle range.
fast charging
"...you'll be able to fill up in around five minutes... considerably faster than what you would do in an electric car... But now EVs are charging rapidly, genuinely."
Fast charging refers to higher-power EV charging that reduces the time needed to add energy. The hosts argue that EV charging has improved dramatically in recent years, narrowing the refueling-time advantage that hydrogen claims. They also mention that even a ~20-minute stop is acceptable for many drivers compared with older EV charging experiences.
hydrogen car
"So presently, yeah, five minutes is way quicker... But the interesting thing is... hydrogen really has to... look at the price... accessibility to a fuel station... But there is also the safety aspect."
A hydrogen car makes electricity from hydrogen to move the car. Refueling can be quick, but you may have fewer places to fill up compared with electric charging. The discussion also brings up that safety and rescue procedures can be more complicated than with gasoline.
A hydrogen car uses hydrogen stored onboard and converts it to electricity in a fuel cell to drive the wheels. The big selling point is fast refueling—often discussed as “around five minutes”—but the real-world challenge is hydrogen station availability and overall cost. The segment also contrasts hydrogen’s refueling speed with improving EV charging times and highlights safety/complexity considerations.
1000 kilowatt charges
"...AMG GTXX drive last year, and they were charging that electric concept up with 1000 kilowatt charges, and it was taking like three minutes."
This means charging an EV using a super-powerful charger. In theory, it can add a lot of energy in just a few minutes. The hosts also point out it’s not widely available yet.
“1000 kilowatt charges” refers to extremely high-power EV charging (1 MW class), which can dramatically shorten charging time under the right conditions. The hosts frame it as prototype/near-future tech and note it’s currently limited in rollout geography. This is used to argue that EVs are catching up quickly to hydrogen’s refueling-time advantage.
charging up
"...they were charging that electric concept up with 1000 kilowatt charges, and it was taking like three minutes... But now EVs are charging rapidly... the 20 minute break to get a coffee while it's charging up."
“Charging up” just means plugging in and charging the battery. The hosts compare how long that takes versus filling a hydrogen car. They suggest that even if it takes a bit, you can use the time while you wait.
“Charging up” is the everyday phrasing for topping up an EV’s battery at a charger. The segment uses it to compare typical EV charging durations (including a coffee break) with hydrogen refueling time. It’s also used to describe how quickly high-power charging can happen in near-future scenarios.
fuel station accessibility
"...you're going to look at the price. You're going to look at the accessibility to a fuel station... Even if I have to travel 20 minutes to fill up..."
Fuel station accessibility is how easy it is to find places to refuel or recharge, and it strongly affects real-world usability. The host argues that hydrogen’s limited station network could make it hard to compete even if refueling is fast. This is contrasted with EV charging becoming more common and faster.
safety aspect
"...before it was a case of... hydrogen car benefits from filling up much faster. But there is also the safety aspect... if you crush an EV, you know, it could catch fire."
The “safety aspect” is about what happens after a crash and how hard it is to deal with. The host points out that EVs can also catch fire, and the challenge is how to handle it safely. The same kind of concerns apply to hydrogen vehicles too.
The “safety aspect” refers to how hydrogen and EV systems can behave in crashes and how emergency responders handle them. The host notes that EVs can catch fire, but the real issue is putting it out and managing the situation safely. This frames hydrogen’s safety/complexity as part of the trade-off versus EVs as charging improves.
EVs catching fire vs petrol/diesel (collision fire risk)
"safer now EVs when it comes to collisions, there's so much work and fire... you're five times more likely to catch fire... The car is more likely to catch fire with its petrol diesel... of course, EVs."
They’re talking about which type of car is more likely to catch fire after a crash. EVs don’t have gasoline onboard, so the fire risk can be lower, while gas/diesel cars have fuel that can ignite.
The hosts are discussing how collision-related fire risk differs between EVs and internal-combustion cars. They cite data suggesting EVs are less likely to catch fire in crashes, while petrol/diesel cars have a higher likelihood due to the presence of fuel and fuel-system design.
Ford Pinto
"remember the Ford Pinto, it was during the 70s, there was the crisis of where, you know, like that in the booth, anyone. Yes, let's put the fuel tank in the boot... burned explosions."
They’re bringing up the Ford Pinto as a cautionary tale from the 1970s. The concern was that in certain crashes, the fuel system could fail in a way that made fires much more likely.
The Ford Pinto is referenced as an infamous 1970s example of fuel-tank placement and crash-fire risk. The story is often summarized as the fuel tank being located in a way that could lead to catastrophic fires when rear-ended.
Hydrogen high-pressure tank safety
"There is a concern with hydrogen is that obviously you've got an immensely high pressure tank..."
Hydrogen cars carry fuel in a very high-pressure tank. The safety challenge is making sure that tank stays intact and doesn’t leak dangerously if there’s a crash.
Hydrogen vehicles store fuel in an extremely high-pressure tank, which changes the safety conversation compared with gasoline. The key issues are containment, leak behavior, and how the fuel system responds under impact or failure.
Hydrogen infrastructure (and why it matters)
"If the people that are persevering with it are making advancements with it, and that's going to be the case with, you know, we talk about infrastructure a lot."
They mention infrastructure because hydrogen cars only work well if there’s somewhere to refuel them. So progress isn’t just about the car—it’s also about the fueling network.
The discussion ties hydrogen vehicle progress to infrastructure availability—meaning fueling networks, storage, and delivery systems. Even if the vehicle is well-engineered, adoption depends on whether hydrogen can be produced and delivered reliably where drivers live and travel.
Formula One
"the big driver this year is Formula One. And if the Formula One teams are, more importantly, fuel suppliers are developing it, then there are going to be advancements."
They’re saying racing—specifically Formula One—helps push new fuel ideas forward. Because teams test and develop them intensely, the technology can improve faster than it would otherwise.
Formula One is mentioned as a major driver of fuel and energy technology development. When F1 teams (and their fuel suppliers) work on new fuels, it can accelerate improvements that later trickle down to road cars.
EV charging infrastructure
"You've seen it in the EV world. Do you remember when EVs were starting to become a thing and it's like, you've got to charge them up at home on a three-pin flight... And then if you did go out and you find... fast charges were like 50 kilowatts."
The hosts compare early EV adoption challenges with today’s faster, more widespread charging. Charging infrastructure matters because it determines whether EVs are convenient for daily use, especially for drivers who can’t always charge at home.
fast charges
"I remember when fast charges were like 50 kilowatts. Yeah. And, you know, now they are so unbelievably quick and they're everywhere."
Fast charging is when an EV can recharge much quicker than normal. They’re pointing out that charging used to be slower (around 50 kW) and is now much quicker.
“Fast charges” refers to higher-power EV charging that significantly reduces charging time compared with basic home charging. The mention of 50 kilowatts highlights how charging speeds have increased, which directly affects real-world EV usability.
50 kilowatts
"I remember when fast charges were like 50 kilowatts. Yeah. And, you know, now they are so unbelievably quick and they're everywhere."
50 kilowatts is how strong the charger is. Higher kW usually means you can add energy to the battery faster.
50 kW is a charging power level that was common earlier in EV adoption, delivering meaningfully faster charging than basic outlets but still not as quick as today’s high-power DC fast chargers. Charging power (kW) is a key factor in how long you’ll spend at a station.
Tesla
"I ran a Tesla as a company car a few years ago, and that was great because the Tesla charging network... the charging network is fantastic. And over four years of running a car, I had zero issues with charging..."
They’re talking about Tesla because of how easy it is to charge. The point is that Tesla’s charging network made their day-to-day driving much less stressful.
Tesla is discussed in the context of EV charging convenience, specifically the Tesla charging network. The host credits the network’s reliability and coverage for having “zero issues” over four years, contrasting it with the general anxiety of finding charging while on the road.
charging anxiety
"I'm on the road a lot. So I almost always nearly pee myself when I get to a service station... because I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so desperate... Three times a week, you'll see me sprinting at a service station to the thing..."
Charging anxiety is the worry that you won’t find a charger in time. It’s especially stressful if you’re on the road a lot and can’t charge easily at home.
“Charging anxiety” describes the stress and planning burden of finding a charger when you’re driving frequently or don’t have reliable access to charging at home. The hosts’ “service station sprint” story illustrates how infrastructure reliability changes driver confidence.
hydrogen fueling infrastructure
"Obviously, it's going to require a huge amount of investment in the infrastructure of which I don't know how many brands be it car manufacturers or fuel suppliers that really give a damn."
They’re saying hydrogen cars only work well if the hydrogen stations are reliable. If stations are broken or nobody is maintaining them, it becomes annoying and people won’t switch. The goal is to make refueling feel as easy as gas.
The hosts emphasize that hydrogen’s success depends on fueling infrastructure—reliable stations, uptime, and consistent user experience. Even if the vehicles are good, broken or unmonitored stations undermine convenience and adoption.
hydrogen combustion engine
"BMW is big on hydrogen fuel cell. Yeah. Although if you remember, they made a hydrogen combustion engine with a V12."
This is when hydrogen is used like gasoline—burned inside an engine to make power. It’s not the same as a fuel cell, which makes electricity instead. It can work, but it still has emissions and engineering hurdles.
A hydrogen combustion engine burns hydrogen in a cylinder like a traditional internal-combustion engine, rather than using a fuel cell to generate electricity. It can be an engineering bridge, but it still depends on combustion-related challenges like NOx emissions control and fuel delivery.
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
"They ran a hydrogen powered V8 Vantage at the ring. They did. I think for one lap."
They mention a hydrogen-powered Aston Martin Vantage doing laps at Nürburgring. The point is to test the car in demanding real-world conditions, not just on a test bench. It’s a way to see if hydrogen power can handle racing stress.
The segment mentions a hydrogen-powered Aston Martin V8 Vantage running at “the ring,” referring to the Nürburgring. This is an example of hydrogen being tested in real motorsport conditions, which helps validate performance and drivability.
Super Taikyu
"So in Japan, they've got a series called super taiku, which is, I wish we had something like that over here because it's pretty much opening credits."
They bring up a Japanese racing series called Super Taikyu. The point is that racing can help new technologies get tested and become more mainstream. They’re wishing for a similar platform locally.
Super Taikyu is referenced as a Japanese racing series, and the hosts wish for something similar in their market. The mention is relevant because motorsport series can accelerate development and public visibility for new powertrains like hydrogen.
Toyota GR Corolla
"In the endurance series, Toyota has been running in the last few years a hydrogen combustion GR Corolla."
Toyota took a GR Corolla and tried running it on hydrogen. Instead of using hydrogen to make electricity, it burns the hydrogen like a fuel, then races it to see if it can be practical and fast for long events.
The Toyota hydrogen combustion GR Corolla is a hydrogen-fueled version of the GR Corolla, using hydrogen combustion rather than storing hydrogen to run an electric drivetrain. In endurance racing, it’s a way to test whether hydrogen can work as a competitive fuel under long, repeatable race conditions.
pit stop time / hydrogen filling time
"They've then managed to get that filling time down from around five minutes to about a minute and a half... which is what close to a normal."
In endurance races, every minute spent refueling costs you. They’re saying Toyota improved hydrogen refueling so it takes closer to normal stop times instead of being a big disadvantage.
The segment focuses on hydrogen refueling time as a key performance constraint in endurance racing. Reducing filling time from roughly five minutes to about one to one-and-a-half minutes helps hydrogen cars avoid losing too much track position during stops.
GR LH2 racing concept
"They also they announced last year a the GR LH2 racing concept, which was a Le Mans prototype built on hydrogen, built around hydrogen combustion."
The GR LH2 is Toyota’s hydrogen race concept. It’s designed like a Le Mans prototype and uses hydrogen combustion to explore whether hydrogen can compete at the highest level.
The GR LH2 is Toyota’s hydrogen-focused racing concept built for endurance-style performance. It’s described here as a Le Mans prototype using hydrogen combustion, showing Toyota’s push to make hydrogen viable in top-level racing.
Le Mans hydrogen class (from 2028)
"And from 2028, the plan is at Le Mans that hydrogen combustion or hydrogen fuel cell prototypes would be allowed to to compete potentially in their own class."
They’re talking about Le Mans rules starting in 2028 that could allow hydrogen race cars to compete together. If the rules make it worthwhile, more teams might join and develop the tech.
This is about a proposed rule change at Le Mans starting in 2028, where hydrogen combustion and hydrogen fuel-cell prototypes could compete, potentially in their own class. The topic matters because class structure affects whether teams will invest in hydrogen development.
hydrogen fuel cell prototypes
"From 2028, the plan is at Le Mans that hydrogen combustion or hydrogen fuel cell prototypes would be allowed to compete potentially in their own class."
A hydrogen fuel cell makes electricity from hydrogen while you drive. That electricity then powers the car’s electric motor, which is why it’s different from burning hydrogen in an engine.
Hydrogen fuel cell prototypes use a fuel cell to convert hydrogen into electricity, which then powers an electric drivetrain. In endurance racing, allowing both hydrogen combustion and fuel-cell cars can accelerate development of different hydrogen pathways.
motorsport as technology development
"But as we've spoken about before, motorsport is such a great way of developing and accelerating technologies."
The idea here is that racing helps new technology get better faster. Because cars have to run hard for a long time, engineers learn quickly what works and what doesn’t.
The hosts argue that motorsport accelerates technology development by forcing real-world testing under extreme conditions. Endurance racing is especially useful because it stresses reliability, thermal management, and repeatable performance over long stints.
fuel of joy
"I love this idea of Le Mans being almost like the what was the motor race that essentially cemented petrol as the fuel of joy."
“Fuel of joy” is basically a way of saying petrol feels fun and exciting to drive. The hosts are talking about how different fuels can change the vibe of cars.
“Fuel of joy” is a phrase used to describe petrol’s cultural and driving appeal, not just its technical properties. The hosts use it to contrast how different fuels (petrol, diesel, hydrogen) can shape what enthusiasts consider exciting.
EV is obviously everywhere now
"EV is obviously are everywhere now. Petrol is still a thing. Imagine if you had, I can't see anybody wanting to do diesel again."
The hosts are saying electric cars are very common right now. That makes them wonder what it would take for hydrogen to become a big deal again.
This is a discussion about the current dominance of EVs and how that affects the perceived relevance of other powertrains like petrol, diesel, and hydrogen. It sets up the idea of a “fuel arms race” where hydrogen could become a new competitive focus.
Alpenglow
"Alpine has also show Alpenglow. Sounds like a lovely breakfast drink... they took the Alpenglow concept to spa, drove it around... They then showed it at Le Mans."
Alpenglow is presented as Alpine’s hydrogen concept, designed to demonstrate what hydrogen power can feel and sound like in a real vehicle. The hosts mention it being shown at Le Mans and tested at Spa, emphasizing it as a technology demonstration rather than a mass-market product.
Renault Sport
"... He was the one who gave me the first snippets of Renault sport. The Renault sport might be coming back and then ..."
The Renault Sport Spider is a small sports car with an open-top design. It’s connected to Renault’s performance-focused division. The podcast brings it up because it’s part of Renault Sport’s history and people hope that spirit comes back.
The Renault Sport Spider is a lightweight, open-top sports car associated with Renault Sport’s performance heritage. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in the context of Renault Sport possibly returning, with the speaker recalling early “Renault sport” snippets. It comes up because it’s tied to the brand’s past performance identity.
Renault Twingo
"...coming back and then Renault again said it at the Twingo event. So I'm like, Oh my God, it's gonna happen...."
The Renault Twingo is a small car made for city driving. It’s easy to maneuver and park. The podcast mentions it because there’s talk about it coming back or continuing.
The Renault Twingo is a small city car designed for easy driving and parking in tight spaces. The podcast references a “Twingo event” and suggests excitement about the model’s return or continuation. It’s discussed because it’s a recognizable, compact Renault that often comes up when talking about what the brand is planning next.
charging networks
"...the stuff around it, you know, charging networks are growing at rapid rates but hydrogen networks... it's going to take massive investment."
Charging networks are the places you can plug in and charge an electric car. The point here is that EV charging is getting easier to find, while hydrogen stations are still much harder to build.
Charging networks are the network of public (and private) charging stations that determine how practical EV ownership is. The hosts argue that charging infrastructure is expanding quickly, while hydrogen fueling requires massive investment to reach similar coverage.
700 bar hydrogen
"700 bar was what the the hydrogen was pressurized to... So 700 times the pressure... roughly of a turbocharger. Yeah, good to know."
“700 bar” refers to the pressure used to store hydrogen in a high-pressure tank. Because hydrogen is stored as a compressed gas, the tank must be engineered to safely handle extremely high pressures. The hosts compare it to turbocharger boost pressure to give listeners a sense of scale.
turbocharged engine
"...but what's that in bar 1.3 bar is your base operation for a turbocharged BMW..."
A turbocharged engine uses a device that squeezes more air into the engine. More air usually means more power. The hosts bring it up to compare pressure levels to the hydrogen storage pressure.
A turbocharged engine uses a turbocharger to force more air into the engine, allowing more fuel to be burned for higher power. The hosts use turbo boost pressure as a reference point when talking about hydrogen tank pressure. This helps connect a familiar performance concept (boost) to the unfamiliar hydrogen storage numbers.
BMW Z3
"...an NC MX five, an MGF slash TF and a BMW Z three. Any advice greatly received."
The BMW Z3 is a small two-seat roadster from BMW. People look at it as a fun used sports car option when they want something more “classic BMW” than the newer stuff.
The BMW Z3 is a compact BMW roadster that’s often considered when shopping for affordable classic-style sports cars. Here it’s listed alongside the MR2 and MX-5 as an option within a tight budget.
£3k sports cars
"...can you actually get cars, get decent cars for three grand anymore? And I was pleasantly surprised... This is as pretty much as cheap as it gets actually from a reputable seller with a nice car, two and a half grand."
They’re talking about trying to buy a fun sports car for about £3,000. The point is that you have to compromise on condition and sometimes choose the right model year to avoid expensive problems.
This segment is about the “£3k sports car” challenge—finding a decent, usable sports car for roughly three thousand pounds. The hosts discuss how pricing, condition, and model-year choices affect what’s realistically available, and they compare different small sports cars in that budget bracket.
mid-engine sports car
"...their buckets. It's a mid-engine sports car that is tiny. It's under a ton, 140 ish horsepower, Revi 1.8, lovely six speed manual."
A mid-engine car puts the engine closer to the middle of the car. That usually makes the car feel more balanced and easier to handle when you drive it hard.
A mid-engine sports car places the engine near the center of the vehicle, improving weight distribution and helping the car feel balanced in corners. The hosts use this to describe why the MR2 is such a fun, compact package.
six-speed manual
"...140 ish horsepower, Revi 1.8, lovely six speed manual. These are great."
A six-speed manual means you shift gears yourself using a clutch. More gears can help the car feel smoother and more responsive.
A six-speed manual transmission gives the driver more gear ratios to keep the engine in its power band. In this segment it’s part of the MR2’s appeal as a low-cost, engaging sports car.
facelift vs pre-facelift (model-year change)
"The most important thing is that being a 2002 model means it's one of the facelifts. Because the pre-facelifts had a problem... Not so much on the facelift though."
They’re saying that later versions of the same car (a facelift) can be safer to buy than earlier ones. The facelift often fixes problems that showed up in the first years.
The hosts stress that a 2002 “facelift” matters because it changed the car’s engineering enough to avoid a serious pre-facelift engine problem. This is a common used-car strategy: identify running changes (like facelifts) that correlate with improved reliability.
full service history
"years been well maintained full service history. Full service history on a car that age is very, very good."
“Full service history” means the car was regularly maintained and there’s proof of it. If a car has that, it’s usually less likely to have neglected problems that show up later.
A “full service history” means the car has been serviced at the recommended intervals, typically documented by receipts or dealer records. For used-car buyers, it’s a strong indicator that maintenance hasn’t been deferred, which can reduce the risk of hidden wear and expensive surprises.
Out of the Box fun
"Really good. So that bodes exceptionally well for Out of the Box fun. Talking about Out of the Box fun, a colleague of ours, Mr Matt Bird, would definitely approve of."
It means “fun in a surprising way,” usually from a car that isn’t the obvious pick. The idea here is that a well-maintained, slightly unusual BMW can still be genuinely enjoyable to drive.
“Out of the Box fun” is a phrase for enjoying a car that isn’t the obvious, mainstream choice—often something older, less flashy, or overlooked. In this context, it’s tied to buying a well-kept example with service history so it can deliver real driving enjoyment without the usual “premium” expectations.
2001 BMW 325 Ti
"It's a 2001 BMW 325 Ti. Now, I love these. I know Matt loves these having had one... This is the E46 facelift."
This BMW is a smaller, sportier version of the 3 Series. The “Ti” version is meant to feel a bit more fun to drive than a standard trim, mainly through suspension and handling tweaks. It’s not an all-out M car, but it’s still designed to be more driver-focused.
This is a 2001 BMW 325 Ti, a compact “Ti” variant of the 3 Series that uses the E46-generation platform. The “Ti” trim typically adds a sportier setup than a base model, including driver-focused tweaks that make it feel more engaging without being a full M-car.
E46 facelift
"I mean, I actually drove one funnily enough on ice... look, this is the E46 facelift. So it's got the bug eyes, slightly controversial face."
BMW updated the E46 3 Series partway through its life, and that refreshed version is called the “facelift.” It changed the look of the front lights, and while some people don’t love the styling, they say it drives really well.
The E46 facelift refers to the mid-cycle refresh of the BMW 3 Series (E46 generation), which changed the front-end styling—often nicknamed “bug eyes.” The hosts mention it as slightly controversial visually, but they emphasize the driving feel as the real strength.
ice on a tyre launch
"I mean, I actually drove one funnily enough on ice on a tyre launch about eight years ago. And they were trying to demonstrate this new..."
A “tyre launch” on ice is a controlled demonstration of tire grip and vehicle stability on low-friction surfaces. It’s relevant because it highlights how chassis balance and tire choice interact—especially for a car described as having “beautiful balance” and predictable rotation.
190 horsepower
"Such beautiful balance, easily manageable power, 190 horsepower, and also, yeah, just sort of rotates around you in the middle."
Horsepower is basically how strong the engine is. In this case, they’re saying the power level is enough to feel fun, but not so much that it’s hard to control.
Horsepower is a measure of how much power the engine produces, and it strongly influences how quickly a car accelerates and how it feels under load. Here, the hosts use the figure to describe the 325 Ti’s “easily manageable” performance—enough to feel lively without being overwhelming.
rotates around you in the middle
"190 horsepower, and also, yeah, just sort of rotates around you in the middle. So as a sports car feeling, you know, coupé, it's really good."
They mean the car feels like it “turns and pivots” nicely through a corner. Instead of feeling like it’s fighting you, it feels balanced and controllable mid-corner.
This is a driving-feel description that points to predictable balance and rotation during cornering—often associated with how the chassis and tires share grip. Listeners may want context on how a car can feel like it “turns in” and rotates smoothly rather than pushing wide.
BMW 135I
"...e car rides nicely. Yeah, basically the 235 slash 135i before they even existed. I just, I love how ther..."
The BMW 1 Series is a small BMW car. The podcast is talking about a specific performance version from the 235i/135i family and how it rides well. People mention it because it’s a compact car that can still feel comfortable.
The BMW 1 Series is a compact car, and the podcast references the 235i/135i era as a key point in the lineup’s development. It’s mentioned in relation to ride quality and overall feel, suggesting it’s comfortable for its class. That makes it relevant when discussing which compact BMWs are most enjoyable to live with.
TI driver focused additions
"But they did a TI on that, didn't they? If I'm not mistaken. So you still got, because the TI I forgot to mention actually gets a few driver focused additions, Tweaks to the suspension and stuff."
They’re saying the “Ti” version adds small upgrades aimed at making the car feel better to drive. Most of those changes are about the suspension, which affects how the car handles and how smooth or controlled it feels.
The “Ti” trim is described as having driver-focused additions such as tweaks to the suspension. This matters because suspension tuning changes how the car responds to steering inputs, how it grips mid-corner, and how it feels over bumps—often the biggest difference between trims that share the same basic engine family.
M model
"So it's not extreme. It's not like an M model, of course, but it's got a few little things."
BMW’s “M” cars are the high-performance versions. They usually have more serious upgrades than regular models. Here, they’re saying the Ti is sporty, but it’s not the full-on M-car experience.
An “M model” refers to BMW’s performance sub-brand (BMW M), which typically brings more aggressive tuning, stronger brakes, and more track-oriented chassis setups than standard trims. The hosts clarify that the Ti is sportier, but not as extreme as an M car.
M135i
"which actually was a better to drive car than the M135i. ... Because it was front-wheel drive. It basically just drove like a Mini Cooper S."
The BMW M135i is referenced as the benchmark for driving feel. In this discussion, the hosts contrast it with a front-wheel-drive BMW 1 Series era, implying the M135i’s layout and dynamics feel different even if both are performance-oriented.
Mini Cooper S
"Because it was front-wheel drive. It basically just drove like a Mini Cooper S. ... Which was, you know, front-wheel drive hot hatch, good fun."
They’re comparing the BMW’s driving feel to a Mini Cooper S. The idea is that front-wheel-drive hot hatches tend to feel nimble and fun, and that’s what they’re noticing here.
Mini Cooper S is used as a reference point for how the BMW feels when it’s front-wheel drive. The hosts are essentially saying the BMW 1 Series in question has a similar “hot hatch” character—quick, playful, and easy to drive—because of its traction and packaging.
THP
"Anyway, RCZ, Peugeot, but it's the THP GT. ... it's the one with the punchier engine. It's 160 horsepower turbocharged."
THP is Peugeot’s label for a turbo petrol engine. In this context, it means the RCZ is the stronger, turbocharged version rather than the weaker trim.
THP is Peugeot’s naming for its turbocharged petrol engine family (often associated with the Prince engine line used across PSA brands). In the segment, THP is used to distinguish the RCZ THP GT as the more performance-focused variant.
160 horsepower turbocharged
"it's the one with the punchier engine. It's 160 horsepower turbocharged. Same motor, I think they put in the DS3 performance as well."
They’re saying the car has about 160 horsepower and it’s turbocharged. A turbo engine usually feels stronger in everyday driving because it can build boost quickly.
The hosts call out the RCZ THP GT’s output as “160 horsepower” and emphasize that it’s turbocharged. This matters because turbocharging typically improves low-to-midrange punch compared with a naturally aspirated engine of similar size.
Peugeot RCZ
"I mean, there's a lot of car, 53,000 miles and 2,490. That's a lot of car for the money. They look, and remember when these came out, they were properly cool little things, because they had double bubble roof that was glass, if I'm correct in saying that."
The Peugeot RCZ is a small Peugeot coupe that looks really distinctive, especially because of its curved “double-bubble” roof. The hosts are saying it was stylish and fun-looking, but it wasn’t as exciting to drive as some rivals because it was front-wheel drive.
The Peugeot RCZ is a compact, stylish coupe from Peugeot that became known for its distinctive “double-bubble” roof design. In this segment, the hosts discuss how cool it looked when new, but also point out its front-wheel-drive layout as a key limitation.
double bubble roof
"They look, and remember when these came out, they were properly cool little things, because they had double bubble roof that was glass, if I'm correct in saying that."
A “double bubble” roof is a roof shape with two rounded bumps. It’s mostly about looks—making the car’s roofline stand out and feel more sporty.
A “double bubble” roof is a styling feature where the roofline rises into two rounded bulges, creating a distinctive silhouette. On cars like the Peugeot RCZ, it’s often described as glass or a glass-like panel to emphasize the shape and give a more dramatic, sporty look.
homologation special version
"An all-wheel drive homologation special version. Yeah, they would have been really cool."
A homologation special is a special road car made so a company can race a similar version in competition. Racing rules often require the race car to be based on a real street car.
A homologation special is a road car built (or modified) to meet the rules required for racing—so the manufacturer can enter a competition class. The idea is that the race car needs a certain number of similar street cars to be eligible, which is why you sometimes see “all-wheel drive homologation” talk around rally or touring-car programs.
Volkswagen Scirocco
"I mean, it was a pretty big seller at the time. It did sell quite well at some point. It was like the Scirocco, wasn't it?"
The Volkswagen Scirocco is a sporty-looking Volkswagen that was popular with people who wanted a fun small car. The hosts are comparing the RCZ to it to talk about how well the RCZ sold and who it was trying to attract.
The Volkswagen Scirocco is a compact sporty hatchback/coupe that became a benchmark for the “small, stylish, fun” market. The hosts compare the RCZ’s sales and positioning to the Scirocco, implying the RCZ was aiming for similar buyer appeal.
electrical faults
"[2329.5s] I did, when I ran the DS with that motor, [2331.4s] it did have a few electrical faults, [2333.0s] but that was unrelated to the engine."
Electrical faults mean something in the car’s electronics isn’t working right—like sensors, wiring, or control units. It’s usually not a simple “replace one part” situation, because the problem can be intermittent.
Electrical faults are problems caused by wiring, sensors, modules, or other electronics rather than mechanical parts like the engine. In modern cars, these can be intermittent and frustrating, and they often require diagnostic tools to pinpoint the failing component.
torque
"[2340.6s] It felt quick and it had enough torque [2342.4s] that it was usable, [2343.3s] but it still had that surge of turbo charge impact"
Torque is the engine’s pulling power. More torque usually means the car feels easier to drive and accelerates well without needing to rev the engine all the time.
Torque is the twisting force an engine produces, and it strongly affects how quickly a car feels like it accelerates, especially at lower speeds. The host notes the car had enough torque to be "usable," meaning it didn’t require constant high revs to feel responsive.
turbo charge impact
"[2340.6s] It felt quick and it had enough torque [2342.4s] that it was usable, [2343.3s] but it still had that surge of turbo charge impact"
A turbocharger can make power come in suddenly once it’s spinning fast enough. That “surge” is what the host is calling the turbo charge impact—it’s why the car can feel exciting when you accelerate.
"Turbo charge impact" describes the noticeable push you feel when a turbocharger spools up and starts delivering boost. Even when a car is described as "usable" and torquey, the turbo’s boost onset can create a surge that makes acceleration feel more exciting.
Mercedes SLK 200 Compressor
"But it's a smart little sports car. It's a 2005 Mercedes SLK 200 Compressor. 165 horsepower, 1.8 liter engine. It's not going to... It's a manual."
This is a Mercedes-Benz roadster called the SLK 200. “Compressor” means it uses forced induction (a supercharger) to help the engine make power. They’re saying it’s a smart, budget-adjacent sports car and that it’s a manual.
The Mercedes-Benz SLK 200 Compressor is a compact roadster from the mid-2000s. The “Compressor” indicates a supercharged setup, and the model is known for being relatively fun and light compared with many contemporaries. In this segment, they’re also contrasting it against other picks by price, mileage, and whether it’s a manual.
supercharged (Compressor)
"It's a 2005 Mercedes SLK 200 Compressor. 165 horsepower, 1.8 liter engine. It's not going to..."
In this context, “Compressor” means the engine is supercharged. A supercharger pushes extra air into the engine so it can make more power, especially when you’re driving normally. It’s one way manufacturers get performance without using a huge engine.
“Compressor” on Mercedes models typically refers to a supercharger, which forces extra air into the engine. That can improve low-to-midrange response and make smaller engines feel stronger. It’s different from turbocharging, which uses exhaust gas energy and often has different boost behavior.
165 horsepower
"It's a 2005 Mercedes SLK 200 Compressor. 165 horsepower, 1.8 liter engine. It's not going to..."
Horsepower is a way of describing how much power the engine can make. Higher horsepower usually means stronger acceleration, but it’s not the only factor. The host is using this number to explain what kind of performance to expect.
Horsepower is a measure of an engine’s power output, which influences how quickly a car can accelerate. In the segment, the host uses the figure to set expectations for performance from the SLK’s small engine. It’s most meaningful when paired with weight and gearing, not just the number alone.
1.8 liter engine
"165 horsepower, 1.8 liter engine. It's not going to..."
A “1.8 liter” engine means the engine is relatively small in size. Smaller engines can still be quick, especially if they’re boosted with a supercharger. The host is basically saying this is a compact, not-a-big-V8 kind of sports car.
Engine displacement (here, 1.8 liters) is the total volume of the engine’s cylinders. Smaller displacement engines often rely on forced induction (like the “Compressor” supercharger) to make power efficiently. The host is using it to frame the SLK as a small-engine sports car.
MX-5
"and much more luxury than what you would get on an MX-5. And definitely a heck of a lot more than what you're getting in an MR2."
The Mazda MX-5 is a small, lightweight roadster that’s popular because it’s fun to drive without costing a fortune. Here it’s being used as the “budget” comparison for luxury.
The Mazda MX-5 is a lightweight, affordable two-seat roadster known for being fun and relatively easy to live with. The hosts use it as a baseline for “less luxury” compared with the Mercedes-Benz roadster they’re discussing.
MR2
"And definitely a heck of a lot more than what you're getting in an MR2. ... far more palatable as a daily driver versus a Mark III MR2."
The Toyota MR2 is a sports car that’s more about driving feel than comfort. They’re saying the Mercedes is easier to use every day than a Mark III MR2.
The Toyota MR2 is a mid-engine sports car that’s often discussed as a more performance-focused, less luxurious alternative to mainstream roadsters. The hosts specifically compare daily-driver palatability against a “Mark III MR2,” which refers to the third-generation MR2 (MR2 Mk3).
daily driver
"they did say in whatever ... that they'll be using it as a daily, this is going to be far more palatable as a daily driver versus a Mark III MR2."
A “daily driver” is the car you use most days for normal errands and commuting. They’re saying one car is easier to live with every day than another.
A “daily driver” is a vehicle you use regularly for everyday commuting and errands, not just for occasional fun. The hosts are weighing how livable the cars are day-to-day, implying that some sports cars can be less comfortable or more demanding to live with.
McLaren Mercedes SLR
"it looks like a McLaren Mercedes SLR. It does. That was the thing when it came out."
The McLaren Mercedes SLR is a famous, very expensive supercar. The hosts are joking that the car they’re discussing has styling that reminds them of the SLR if you don’t look too closely.
The McLaren Mercedes SLR is a high-performance supercar jointly developed by McLaren and Mercedes-Benz. The hosts are making a visual comparison, saying the roadster “looks like” an SLR when you squint, which highlights the SLR’s distinctive nose and styling cues.
"squint" visual comparison
"it looks like a McLaren Mercedes SLR. It does. That was the thing when it came out."
The hosts use a “squint” comparison to describe how one car’s styling can resemble another more expensive model from a distance or angle. This is common in car talk because certain design elements—like the nose shape—can strongly influence perceived similarity.
SLK55
"Maybe it's the generation that we grew up in. But there's a friend of the pod has an SLK55 and she loves it."
The Mercedes-Benz SLK55 is a sportier, AMG version of the SLK roadster. The host’s friend likes it because it delivers more excitement than a typical luxury roadster.
The Mercedes-Benz SLK55 is an AMG-tuned version of the SLK roadster, known for pairing a more powerful V8 with the SLK’s compact, open-top layout. In the segment, it’s used as a personal endorsement (“a friend of the pod has an SLK55 and she loves it”).
Short wheelbase
"[2466.2s] It hits her absolute pride and joy. [2468.1s] Short wheelbase, super powerful VA. [2470.1s] Exactly."
Wheelbase is how far apart the front and rear wheels are. A shorter wheelbase usually makes the car feel quicker to turn, but it can also feel less stable, especially when you’re pushing it.
A short wheelbase means the distance between the front and rear axles is smaller. That typically makes a car feel more agile and responsive, but it can also make it twitchier at speed and more prone to instability if power is high or traction is limited.
VA
"[2466.2s] It hits her absolute pride and joy. [2468.1s] Short wheelbase, super powerful VA. [2470.1s] Exactly."
“VA” sounds like a shorthand for something about the car’s powertrain, but the clip doesn’t say what it means. Without more context, we can’t reliably translate it into a specific engine or tech term.
“VA” here appears to be a shorthand reference to engine type or a specific performance designation, but the transcript doesn’t provide enough context to identify what “VA” stands for. Because it’s ambiguous, it’s best treated as an unclear acronym in this segment.
recipe for disaster
"[2470.6s] It's a recipe for disaster, which is why it's so cool. [2472.9s] Which is... [2473.4s] And this will be far less disastrous"
It’s an expression for “this situation is likely to go wrong.” In cars, it usually means the car’s setup or power/handling balance could make it hard to drive safely or predictably.
“Recipe for disaster” is a phrase meaning a combination of factors that makes failure or bad outcomes likely. In car talk, it often points to a mismatch—like too much power, poor traction, or an unbalanced setup—where the car becomes difficult to control.
over budget
"[2486.0s] Yeah. [2486.0s] The second one on my list is a car that is, again, [2491.0s] a little bit over budget, but is, again,"
“Over budget” just means the car costs more than you wanted to spend. When people talk about it in car shopping, they’re usually deciding whether the extra money is worth it.
“Over budget” in car shopping usually means the vehicle’s purchase price (or total cost of ownership) exceeds what the buyer planned to spend. It often comes up when weighing desirability versus affordability, especially for enthusiast cars where options, insurance, and maintenance can add up.
2012 Mini John Cooper Works Coupe
"[2496.4s] one of the more modern, more refined cars. [2498.7s] 2012 Mini John Cooper Works Coupe. [2502.9s] I have a soft spot for these."
This is a Mini with the “John Cooper Works” performance package. It’s basically the sporty version of the Mini, and “Coupe” just means it’s the two-door body style. The hosts are talking about why they like its design and character.
The Mini John Cooper Works (JCW) is Mini’s performance trim, and the “Coupe” refers to the two-door body style. In 2012, the JCW Coupe was known for a more aggressive look and a tuned engine aimed at making the small Mini feel genuinely quick rather than just sporty in appearance.
Mini John
"one of the more modern, more refined cars. 2012 Mini John Cooper Works Coupe. I have a soft spot for these."
The Mini John Cooper Works GP is a high-performance version of the Mini. It’s meant to be more exciting to drive than a regular Mini. The podcast talks about a 2012 model and how it feels more modern and refined.
The Mini John Cooper Works GP is a track-oriented, high-performance Mini built to feel more focused and special than standard models. The podcast mentions a 2012 Mini John Cooper Works Coupe, describing it as modern and refined, with a personal soft spot. It’s discussed because it represents a more serious performance direction within the Mini lineup.
210 horsepower
"However, 210 horsepower for 3495, yes, it's got 101,000 miles on the clock, but it does look like it's been really well looked after."
Horsepower is a number that tells you how strong the engine is. Higher horsepower usually means quicker acceleration, but it’s not the whole story. The car’s weight and gearing also matter.
“Horsepower” is a measure of engine power—how much work the engine can do. In buying discussions, horsepower is often used as a quick proxy for performance, but it doesn’t tell you everything about real-world speed or drivability. You still need to consider weight, gearing, and drivetrain.
101,000 miles
"However, 210 horsepower for 3495, yes, it's got 101,000 miles on the clock, but it does look like it's been really well looked after."
Mileage is a major factor in used-car value and expected wear. At around 100,000 miles, maintenance history becomes especially important—things like tires, brakes, suspension components, and service items can be due or already replaced. Two cars with the same mileage can have very different conditions depending on how they were maintained.
three-month warranty
"It comes with a three-month warranty. It's shucked full of... Good tires. ...JCW bits on the listing."
A three-month warranty means the seller is promising to fix certain problems for a short time after you buy it. It’s helpful, but it doesn’t cover you for the long term. You should check what’s actually included before relying on it.
A short warranty like “three-month warranty” is a limited safety net for a used purchase. It can help cover early failures, but it usually isn’t long enough to protect you from issues that show up later. When evaluating a deal, you’d want to know what’s covered, any exclusions, and whether it’s backed by the seller or a third party.
Good tires
"It's shucked full of... Good tires. ...JCW bits on the listing."
Tires are what connect the car to the road, so they matter for grip and safety. If the tires are in good shape, you may not need to replace them right away. It’s still smart to check how old they are and whether they’re worn evenly.
Tires are a major part of how a car feels and performs, especially on a sporty Mini where grip affects acceleration, braking, and cornering. “Good tires” in a listing is often shorthand for tread depth and condition, which can save money and improve safety immediately after purchase. Still, you’d want to check tire age (DOT date) and whether they match across axles.
JCW
"...Good tires. ...JCW bits on the listing. It's that kind of whitey cream with black stripes."
JCW stands for John Cooper Works, Mini’s performance sub-brand. When a listing says it has “JCW bits,” it typically means performance-oriented trim or upgrades (often including styling and sometimes drivetrain/brake/suspension components depending on the exact car). It’s a clue that the car may be closer to a factory hot-variant than a standard model, but you should verify what’s actually installed.
least powerful
"[2589.7s] The car I'm choosing, however, Sam, [2591.9s] is one that is the least powerful [2594.6s] by some considerable margin."
They’re saying the car they picked doesn’t have much power compared to the others. That doesn’t automatically make it bad—sometimes a smaller, lighter car can still feel fun.
When the hosts say the car they’re choosing is “the least powerful,” they’re framing the selection around performance-perception rather than outright speed. In enthusiast discussions, lower power can still be desirable if the car is light, fun to drive, or has a characterful design.
roadster
"[2597.6s] It's not a coupe. [2598.3s] It's a roadster and image-wise, [2603.4s] I think can be a bit of a mixed bag,"
A roadster is a two-seat car with the roof down (usually a soft top). The hosts are saying the open-top style affects how the car looks, and that can divide opinions.
A roadster is an open-top car style, typically with two seats and no fixed roof (often a folding soft top). The hosts connect the body style to how the car looks and how it can be a “mixed bag” visually, even if they personally like it.
96 horsepower
"...the Streetcar offers you the same power, a full 96 horsepower. Oh, yeah."
They’re quoting a power number for the car. It’s meant to tell you what kind of performance you should expect.
This is the stated power figure for the Streetcar in the transcript. It’s used as a benchmark to argue that the roadster variant offers the same power as the Sportcar.
brake horsepower
"Oh, yeah. 94 brake horsepower. But it weighs like a shoe."
Brake horsepower is a way of measuring how much power the engine makes. It’s measured on a test rig before the power gets “spent” moving through the rest of the drivetrain.
Brake horsepower (bhp) is engine power measured at the crankshaft using a dynamometer, before drivetrain losses like friction in the transmission and differential. It’s often used in the UK and can differ from other power ratings depending on testing standards.
54,000 miles
"This one's got 54,000 miles on the clock, 2999 in black with a black roof."
Mileage tells you how much the car has been driven. Higher mileage usually means more wear, so maintenance history becomes extra important.
Mileage is a key ownership metric because it correlates with wear items, maintenance history, and how much life remains in components like tires, brakes, and suspension. In the transcript, it’s used to describe the specific example being discussed.
valves
"And can I just clarify, this has eight times the valves of a iX5 hydrogen, by the way."
Valves are components in an engine’s cylinder head that control airflow—how air and fuel enter and exhaust gases leave. The number of valves per engine (and per cylinder) can affect breathing efficiency, which influences power and how the engine responds.
KA
"I did race these at the Piston Eds team. And I mean, it wasn't a street KA. It wasn't a drop top. It was a regular KA with even less power, but obviously coilovers and racing brake pads roll cage."
They’re talking about a Ford KA they raced. It wasn’t the fancy/convertible version—more like the basic model—but they modified it for track use.
The speaker is talking about a Ford KA that they raced with the Piston Eds team. They clarify it wasn’t a street KA or a drop-top, but a more basic KA with less power—then they list track-focused upgrades.
roll cage
"It was a regular KA with even less power, but obviously coilovers and racing brake pads roll cage."
A roll cage is a safety frame inside the car. It helps protect you if the car rolls or crashes, and it’s common on track cars.
A roll cage is a reinforced metal frame installed inside the cabin to protect occupants during rollovers or impacts. In motorsport, it’s also part of safety compliance and can add structural rigidity depending on how it’s tied into the chassis.
racing brake pads
"It was a regular KA with even less power, but obviously coilovers and racing brake pads roll cage."
Racing brake pads are designed to stop better, especially when you brake hard over and over. They usually work best once they’re warmed up.
Racing brake pads are performance pads formulated to work at higher temperatures and provide stronger bite under repeated hard braking. They can improve stopping power and fade resistance, but may be noisier and require heat to work well.
Steering fill
"I think I've mentioned this on early episodes of this pod. ... Steering fill. They're hydraulically assisted steering fill"
They’re talking about the fluid used for power steering. If the steering is “hydraulically assisted,” it needs the right fluid level to work properly.
“Steering fill” appears to refer to steering fluid/top-up (often discussed as “power steering fluid” in everyday terms). The speaker then clarifies it’s hydraulically assisted, which points to a hydraulic power steering system that relies on fluid pressure.
hydraulically assisted steering
"Steering fill. They're hydraulically assisted steering fill"
Hydraulically assisted steering uses fluid pressure to make turning the wheel easier. If the fluid is low or there’s a leak, steering can feel heavy or start acting weird.
Hydraulically assisted steering uses a pump and hydraulic pressure to reduce the driver’s effort at the steering wheel. It’s different from electric power steering, and fluid condition (and leaks) can strongly affect feel and reliability.
Mercedes-Benz SLK
"You definitely have more fun than the SLK. I mean, it's a drop top KA."
The Mercedes-Benz SLK is a small luxury convertible from Mercedes. They’re saying the car they picked might be more fun to drive than this one.
Mercedes-Benz SLK refers to a compact premium roadster/convertible from Mercedes-Benz. The comparison here is about fun factor—suggesting the other car they’re discussing is more entertaining than the SLK.
street car
"I'm going to put it back and I'm going to say street car. Do you know what? This is one of those things where you could roll around."
A “street car” just means a car meant for everyday roads, not a track-only machine. They’re saying this one fits that vibe—easy to live with and fun to drive around town.
A “street car” is a vehicle intended for normal public-road use rather than track-only driving. In this context, they’re positioning the convertible as something you can enjoy casually—commuting, errands, and cruising—while still being fun.
BMW 325i
"...so you can vote either for the street car or the 325i. Let us know which one you think is the best option..."
A BMW 325i is a BMW 3 Series car. “325” is the model name and “i” usually means it has fuel injection. They’re comparing it to a Ford street car and asking listeners which one is the better pick.
The BMW 325i is a 3 Series model (the “i” typically indicates a fuel-injected engine). In this segment, it’s being compared against a Ford “street car,” so the hosts are essentially debating which car makes the better choice for the kind of driving they’re talking about.
Piston Heads homepage
"If you think, however, that we've done an absolutely terrible job, go onto the Piston Heads homepage, click on this story of this podcast..."
PistonHeads is a car website for enthusiasts. They’re telling listeners to go there if they think the podcast didn’t do a good job and want the original story.
PistonHeads is a UK car enthusiast website where stories, classifieds, and community discussions are hosted. The hosts reference it as a place to find the original topic linked from the podcast page.
Piston Heads auctions
"So normally what we would do is we'd also look through the Piston Heads auctions for this kind of thing."
They’re using PistonHeads as a place to look for cars. It helps them estimate what different sports cars usually cost based on what’s been listed or sold there.
PistonHeads is a UK automotive classifieds and community site, and the hosts reference its auction/listing ecosystem as a place to find cars. They use it as a benchmark for typical prices in the sports-car market.
Mercedes-Benz 500 SL
"Some of the ones that have recently sold, we've had an absolutely stunning Mercedes-Benz 500 SL cell for, I mean it was 28544,"
The Mercedes-Benz 500 SL is a classic Mercedes roadster. The hosts mention it as one of the standout cars that recently sold in their search.
The Mercedes-Benz 500 SL is a classic SL-class roadster/grand tourer, typically known for its V8 power and comfortable, stylish cruising. In the segment, it’s cited as an example of a recent auction sale the hosts found while shopping for sports cars.
Mercedes-Benz Mercedesbenz 500
"we've had an absolutely stunning Mercedes-Benz 500 SL cell for, I mean it was 28544,"
The Mercedes-Benz G-Class is a luxury SUV that’s also built to handle rough roads. It’s known for its strong, boxy shape. The podcast brings it up as a notable Mercedes model.
The Mercedes-Benz G-Class is a rugged luxury SUV known for its distinctive, boxy design and off-road capability. The podcast mentions a “Mercedes-Benz 500 SL” specifically, but the G-Class reference in the list suggests the conversation is centered on Mercedes performance and luxury models. It’s discussed because the G-Class is a recognizable status-and-capability vehicle.
CSL wheels
"Also had a Zeb 4M coupe, [2866.1s] that 43,000 miles, [2868.6s] it's got the CSL wheels on it as well."
They’re talking about a specific style of BMW wheels associated with the CSL. People like these wheels because they’re usually lighter and make the car look more track-focused.
“CSL wheels” refers to wheels associated with BMW’s CSL models, which are typically lightweight, performance-oriented fitments. Enthusiasts often look for CSL-style wheels because they can improve the car’s look and sometimes unsprung weight, helping response and ride quality.
Ford Fiesta
"...I'll be there, probably not in the Fiesta because its suspension is still naked."
The Ford Fiesta is a small car that’s common in the UK and Europe. They’re basically saying they might not drive it because the suspension isn’t protected/finished and it could get damaged, especially with salty coastal air.
The Ford Fiesta is a small, popular European hatchback known for being fun and easy to drive. In this segment, the hosts mention it as the likely car for an event, but note its suspension condition as a reason it may not be suitable for certain conditions.
suspension is still naked
"...I'll be there, probably not in the Fiesta because its suspension is still naked."
They’re saying the suspension parts are exposed and not fully protected. That makes it easier for dirt and salt to damage things, especially on salty roads near the sea.
“Naked” suspension usually means the car’s suspension components are exposed—often because protective covers are missing or the car is mid-build/undergoing work. Exposed suspension is more vulnerable to road spray, debris, and corrosion, which matters a lot near the coast.
salt in the air
"Don't take it into any of the sea, there's too much salt in the air."
Salt from the sea speeds up rust. If you drive near the coast, you usually need extra cleaning and protection so the car doesn’t start corroding.
Coastal “salt in the air” accelerates corrosion by promoting rust on exposed metal and underbody components. That’s why cars that are driven near the sea often need more frequent washing and underbody protection to prevent long-term rust issues.
rust problems
"...and it's got rust problems as well. I'll just get the BMW rusty instead."
“Rust problems” refers to corrosion of the car’s body or underbody, which can become structural over time if left untreated. In the segment, rust is specifically tied to coastal conditions, implying the car is already showing corrosion risk.
1st Gen Mercedes-A Class W168
"And they've listed 1st Gen Mercedes-A Class W168, the 1.2 Fiat 500 that their wife actually owned at one point, and the original Range Rover Vogue."
This is the first Mercedes-Benz A-Class (the W168). People sometimes didn’t love how it drove or felt for the money. Here, the hosts are using it as an example of a car that sounded promising but didn’t deliver.
This refers to the first-generation Mercedes-Benz A-Class, internal code W168. It’s often remembered as an early attempt to bring a small, practical Mercedes to a wider audience, but early models gained a reputation for being awkward or underwhelming to drive. In this episode, it’s being cited as a “disappointing” car rather than just a bad one.
Fiat 500
"1st Gen Mercedes-A Class W168, the 1.2 Fiat 500 that their wife actually owned at one point, and the original Range Rover Vogue."
They’re talking about a small Fiat 500 with a 1.2-liter engine. Even though the car is cute and easy to drive in town, it can still feel slow or disappointing depending on the engine. The episode uses it as an example of a car that didn’t live up to what you’d hope.
This is a Fiat 500 with a 1.2-liter engine. The Fiat 500 is known for its small size and city-friendly packaging, but the specific engine choice can affect how lively it feels in real driving. The hosts mention it because someone’s personal ownership experience didn’t match expectations.
original Range Rover Vogue
"the 1.2 Fiat 500 that their wife actually owned at one point, and the original Range Rover Vogue. They've gone into quite a lot of detail on that, but we will be here all day"
They mean the early Range Rover in the Vogue trim, which was the nicer, more comfort-oriented version. Even though it was supposed to feel premium, the hosts say it didn’t impress. It’s included as an example of a car that sounded great on paper but felt disappointing in practice.
This refers to the early Range Rover Vogue trim—“Vogue” being a higher-end, more comfort-focused version of the Range Rover. The original generation is often discussed in terms of how well it balanced luxury, off-road ability, and day-to-day drivability. Here it’s being listed as a “disappointing” car despite its premium positioning.
rubbish cars versus disappointing cars
"I think the important thing to differentiate here is rubbish cars versus disappointing cars. So some people have come in and said, oh, this is a rubbish car."
They’re separating “bad” cars from “letdown” cars. A car can be technically okay but still feel disappointing because it didn’t meet what you expected. That’s what they’re getting at with this comparison.
The hosts draw a distinction between cars that are simply “rubbish” (bad by most measures) and cars that are “disappointing” (they had promise—maybe from reputation, marketing, or expectations—but fall short in real driving). This is a useful way to evaluate reviews because a car can be objectively competent yet still feel wrong or underwhelming. It also explains why personal impressions matter alongside specs.
Porsche Boxster
"So with that in mind, HJG has said the first generation Porsche Boxster, the 986. It had done some miles, but it didn't impress me in any way whatsoever."
They’re talking about the first Porsche Boxster generation (the 986). It’s Porsche’s entry-level roadster from that era. The host is saying that even though it’s a famous model, it still felt disappointing to them.
The “986” is the internal code for the first-generation Porsche Boxster. It’s a key model in Porsche’s modern roadster lineup, but opinions vary on how it feels compared to later Boxsters and the 911. In this segment, the host says it didn’t impress them despite having some mileage.
disappointing cars vs expectations
"What some people find disappointing, other things are fantastic. And that's the whole point of a disappointing car. Other people think it's great, and then you get in it and go, oh, it doesn't live up to the hype."
They’re talking about why one person’s “disappointing” car can be another person’s favorite. A lot of it comes down to what you expected to feel when you drove it.
This segment is about how “disappointing” is subjective: different drivers want different things from a car. The hosts frame disappointment as an expectations problem—some people love what others find underwhelming.
doesn't live up to the hype
"And then you get in it and go, oh, it doesn't live up to the hype. Alex Nine says, for them, it'd be the DB11 that they drove on one of those airfield days."
Sometimes a car gets talked about so much that you expect it to be amazing. But when you drive it, it can feel less exciting than you thought, so it doesn’t match the hype.
“Doesn’t live up to the hype” is a common car-experience mismatch: a vehicle’s reputation (from reviews, social media, or brand image) sets expectations that the driver doesn’t feel once they’re behind the wheel. It often comes down to how the car delivers excitement—feel, drama, steering/response, and how engaging it is at the speeds you’re actually driving.
so much grip that it was almost boring
"It had so much grip that it was almost boring to drive at the relatively slow speeds they were driving around the track."
If a car sticks to the road really well, it can feel too easy—like you don’t have to work the car much. At slower track-day speeds, that can make it feel less exciting, even though it’s performing well.
When a car has “so much grip,” it can keep traction so consistently that it reduces the need for driver corrections and makes the car feel calm and predictable. On track days—especially at relatively slow speeds—this can make the experience feel less dramatic, even if the car is objectively fast and capable.
Aston Martin DB11
"whereas some people think, oh, I'm driving an Aston Martin. It's a DB11, it's got so much power, and you drive it and you go, oh, it's just a Wafthee GT that's not that fun to drive."
Aston Martin’s DB11 is a luxury “cruiser” car meant to feel smooth and effortless. Sometimes those cars have plenty of power, but they don’t feel as exciting to drive as you’d hope.
The Aston Martin DB11 is a grand tourer (GT) from Aston Martin, known for its smooth power delivery and comfort. In the segment, the host contrasts the DB11’s headline “power” with how it can feel less engaging than expected on real roads.
Volkswagen Corrado VR6
"Last of the classic shape, it couldn't see which way my Corado VR6 went on a twisty country road."
The Corado VR6 is a Volkswagen sports coupe with a distinctive engine design. In this story, it’s the car that handled the twisty road better than the Subaru.
The Volkswagen Corado VR6 is a late-1990s/early-2000s sporty coupe known for its VR6 engine layout, which combines compact packaging with strong torque. Here it’s used as a benchmark for how well the car can follow a line on a twisty road compared with the Impreza.
four-wheel-line
"I had it four-wheel-line more than once to try and improve things to no avail. Then it was an M5 V10, epic engine, although the way all the torque was at the top of the rev range was a bit pointless."
This sounds like getting a four-wheel alignment, where the shop adjusts the angles of the tires. The goal is to make the car track and turn more predictably.
“Four-wheel-line” appears to refer to a four-wheel alignment (alignment on all wheels) to correct handling issues like understeer. Adjusting camber/toe can change how the car grips and how it responds in corners.
gutless
"It's the kind of point of it, but it was like really gutless. Yeah. Really gutless unless you're right up in the rev range."
“Gutless” just means the car doesn’t feel quick or eager. In this case, it only feels strong when you rev it high, not when you’re cruising around normally.
“Gutless” is slang for a car that feels like it lacks acceleration or responsiveness. Here, they’re saying the EP3 Civic Type R doesn’t deliver satisfying power at low speeds unless the driver keeps it spinning near the top of the rev range.
rev range
"Yeah. Really gutless unless you're right up in the rev range. I don't want to be tearing away from the traffic lights every time..."
“Rev range” means how fast the engine is spinning. Some sporty cars feel slow unless you keep the RPMs up.
The “rev range” is the engine speed band (RPM) where it makes its best power and response. The hosts are pointing out that the EP3 Civic Type R’s character depends heavily on staying near the upper part of its rev range to feel properly quick.
Nissan R35 Gtr
"...mild amount of enjoyment. They also mentioned the R35 GTR. Oh, that's because I'm not driven in early one t..."
The Nissan GT-R (R35) is a very fast sports car. The podcast is talking about how enjoyable it was to drive, especially compared to other experiences. It’s mentioned because it’s a famous performance model.
The Nissan GT-R (R35) is a performance sports car known for fast acceleration and strong overall capability. The podcast mentions the R35 GT-R in the context of how much enjoyment it delivered during driving experiences. It’s discussed because the R35 is one of the most widely recognized modern “supercar-like” cars that’s still usable day to day.
Nissan Gtr
"The GTR would have been miles quicker, you know. It should have beaten. Yeah. But I think it probably requires quite different driving styles, GTR versus an EVO."
“GTR” means the Nissan GT-R, a very fast all-wheel-drive performance car. They’re saying it should be quicker, but you have to drive it differently than an EVO to get the best results.
“GTR” refers to the Nissan GT-R, Nissan’s high-performance all-wheel-drive supercar/track car. The hosts are arguing that the GT-R would be quicker than the EVO, but that it may demand a different driving style to extract its advantage.
driving styles
"But I think it probably requires quite different driving styles, GTR versus an EVO. Yeah."
Not every fast car likes the same way of being driven. Two cars can have similar potential, but the one you’re driving may only feel truly quick if you use the right technique for it.
The hosts are highlighting that different performance cars can “reward” different techniques. A car like the GT-R may feel quickest when driven in a particular way (e.g., how you manage throttle and traction), while an EVO can shine with a different approach.
standard tune
"but when you just left it in standard tune, it was marvelous. So, but that's the whole point."
A “standard tune” is the car’s normal settings, not a more extreme performance setup. They’re saying the car can still feel amazing even without turning it up.
“Standard tune” means the car is kept in its baseline calibration rather than being modified for more aggressive performance. The speaker’s point is that even without the extra tuning, the car’s character and drivability can still be excellent.
drummed up
"Cars that are really drummed up, you drive them and you go, it's just not as good as I thought it would be."
“Drummed up” here means hype-built expectations—cars that get talked up so much that they’re expected to be better than they actually feel in real driving. The speaker is describing the disappointment that can happen when a car doesn’t match its reputation.
expectations vs real-world driving feel
"everyone was like, this was the best sports car... I was really disappointed... Lotus Lan... ah, this is a proper sports car... having played Gran Turismo,"
The host is talking about how what you expect from a car (from stories, reputation, or games) doesn’t always match what it feels like to drive. Some cars feel sporty because of how they handle, not just because they’re famous.
This segment is essentially about how hype and nostalgia can shape expectations, and how older or “legendary” cars may not feel the way people imagine. It also touches on how different cars can be “sports cars” in different ways—some prioritize comfort or power, while others prioritize steering response and chassis balance.
MGB
"I remember when I first had to go in an MGB, everyone was like, this was the best sports car. You know, when you drive that, you're going to experience the true British sports car. I was really disappointed."
The MG MGB is a classic British sports roadster from the 1960s. It’s famous for being a fun “entry” classic, but it can feel old-fashioned compared to modern cars—especially in comfort and refinement.
The MG MGB is a classic British roadster from the 1960s, known for being affordable and fun to drive. In the segment, the host describes it as feeling dated compared with the hype, which is a common reaction when modern expectations meet older car design.
Mitsubishi 3000 GT
"I think it was about the same time, was a Mitsubishi 3000 GT. I got into it, having played Gran Turismo,"
The Mitsubishi 3000 GT is a sporty Japanese car from the late ’80s and ’90s. It’s known for being a “serious” performance grand tourer, but the host is saying it didn’t live up to the hype for them.
The Mitsubishi 3000 GT is a late-1980s/1990s Japanese grand tourer that’s often remembered for its performance tech and big-car presence. The host mentions it as a more recent (relative) experience that felt similar to the disappointment they had with the older sports cars—suggesting expectations versus real-world feel.
V6 manual version
"But a car that I thought was going to be the most exciting car ever, because I loved the V6 manual version"
“V6 manual” means the car has a six-cylinder engine and you shift gears yourself. The host expected that combination to be really fun, but it wasn’t.
A “V6 manual” describes a car with a V6 engine (six cylinders in a V layout) paired to a manual transmission. The speaker is highlighting that they expected big excitement specifically from the manual V6 setup, implying the driving feel didn’t match their expectations.
four-cylinder
"wait till you drive the four-cylinder because it's lighter over the..."
A four-cylinder engine has four cylinders that work together to make power. In a sports car, a smaller engine can help the car feel lighter and more nimble.
A four-cylinder engine is an engine with four combustion cylinders. In sports cars, the four-cylinder layout is often chosen for weight and packaging advantages, which can improve balance and responsiveness compared with larger engines.
weight distribution (lighter on the rear because of the engine being lighter)
"it's lighter over the... You know, it's got a... It's lighter on the rear because of the engine being lighter."
Where the heavy parts sit in the car matters a lot. If the engine is lighter, the car’s balance changes, and that can make it handle better.
Moving mass around the car—especially where the engine sits—changes weight distribution and balance. A lighter engine can shift the center of gravity and reduce rear/front weight bias, which can improve turn-in and overall feel.
same on-paper performance, but faster overall
"More torque, same on-paper performance, but in reality, it's actually a faster overall car."
Sometimes two cars look similar on the spec sheet, but one feels faster in real driving. That’s because the car’s balance, traction, and how it delivers power in everyday conditions matter more than just the headline numbers.
“On-paper performance” refers to published metrics like horsepower, torque, and 0–60 times. Real-world “overall” speed depends heavily on vehicle weight, traction, gearing, and how quickly the car can put power down through corners and acceleration.
Lotus Emira
"And that was the Emira, the Lotus Emira four-cylinder. Not heard any good things about those at all. Yeah, because, I mean, it looks spectacular."
The Lotus Emira is a sports car from Lotus. This “four-cylinder” version uses a smaller, lighter engine than the bigger option, which can make the car feel quicker and more agile even if the spec-sheet numbers aren’t wildly different.
The Lotus Emira is a mid-engine sports car, and the “four-cylinder” version uses a lighter engine than the V6 variant. In this segment, the host argues that the lighter front/rear weight balance makes it feel quicker in real driving, even if published performance figures look similar.
automatic
"Because it's an automatic. And I just, if I wanted to go far with low-rear seats, I'd get an Emira four-cylinder by as advice there."
An automatic transmission changes gears for you. In a sports car, it can make the driving feel easier and smoother, especially if you’re not trying to shift yourself.
An automatic transmission shifts gears without the driver manually selecting them. In a sports car, the choice between automatic and manual can change how quickly the car responds and how consistently it keeps the engine in its best power band.
chassis tuning mismatch
"and then the fact that it wasn't kind of in tune with the chassis made it all the more frustrating. It felt like when you drive an aftermarket car..."
They’re saying the car’s “feel” doesn’t match what the chassis is set up to do. If the suspension/steering and the way the powertrain delivers power aren’t coordinated, the car can feel out of sync.
The hosts describe a “chassis” that isn’t tuned to work with the rest of the car, leading to a lack of cohesion. In practice, this can come from mismatched suspension/steering calibration, power delivery characteristics, or software settings that don’t complement the vehicle’s balance.
engine swap
"They've gone, we've done an engine swap. We've put this in this car and you go, okay, it's quick, but it doesn't feel..."
An engine swap means putting a different engine into a car than the one it was designed for. It can still be quick, but if the rest of the car isn’t adjusted to work with it, the driving experience can feel weird or unfinished.
An “engine swap” is when a car is modified to use a different engine than it originally came with. The point the hosts are making is that even if the swapped car is fast, it can feel disconnected if the rest of the car (mounts, electronics, drivetrain calibration, and chassis tuning) isn’t fully sorted to match.
BMW M3
"E30 M3. I drove a Roberto Revanglia edition last year."
The BMW E30 M3 is a classic BMW performance car from the 1980s. People love it because it has a special straight-six engine and it feels very “old-school” compared with modern cars. It may not be super fast today, but it’s a big deal historically and driving-wise.
The BMW E30 M3 is the iconic 3 Series-based M3 from the E30 generation. It’s especially famous for its high-revving straight-six engine and for being a homologation-era performance car. Even when they’re not the quickest by modern standards, they’re prized for feel, sound, and historical significance.
straight six
"Yeah. I love a straight six. I think I would want a straight six in there."
A straight six is an engine with six cylinders in a single line. People like it because it tends to run smoothly and has a distinctive driving feel. The host is saying they’d want that classic BMW-style engine in the car.
A straight six is an inline engine with six cylinders arranged in a single row. Inline-six engines are known for smoothness and strong character, and many enthusiasts associate them with classic BMW performance. In the transcript, the host specifically prefers the E30 M3’s traditional straight-six layout for the feel and driving experience.
naturally aspirated
"But it's a naturally aspirated 200 and a bit horsepower four pot from the 80s."
Naturally aspirated means the engine doesn’t use a turbo or supercharger. Instead, it makes power by breathing normally, which often makes the car feel more responsive as you rev it.
Naturally aspirated (NA) means the engine makes power without a turbocharger or supercharger; it relies on atmospheric pressure and engine design. NA engines often have a more linear throttle response and a stronger “rev to make power” character, which can affect how quickly a car feels like it’s accelerating.
four pot
"But it's a naturally aspirated 200 and a bit horsepower four pot from the 80s."
“Four pot” just means the engine has four cylinders. They’re saying that with an older four-cylinder, you often have to rev it and push it more to get the performance you expect.
“Four pot” is slang for a four-cylinder engine (a “pot” being a cylinder). The hosts are describing the engine as a naturally aspirated four-cylinder from the 1980s, and implying that it needs to be worked hard to feel quick.
F90 M5 competition
"Additionally, another BMW, the F90 M5 competition. One of those cars where driving the G80 M3 and M2s and stuff, you'd go, oh, these are really, very, very good. And then you get in the M5 and you go, it just is a little bit."
The BMW F90 M5 Competition is a very powerful modern BMW M5. The speakers are saying that after enjoying the feel of the M3 and M2, the M5 can feel a bit disappointing—like it’s not as fun or sharp to drive as you hoped.
The BMW F90 M5 Competition is the high-performance version of the F90-generation M5, built to be a fast, usable super-sedan. Here, the hosts compare it to the BMW G80 M3 and M2, suggesting the M5 feels less satisfying than you’d expect—often a sign that the driving feel (balance, throttle response, steering/traction behavior) doesn’t match the hype.
BMW M550
"...y muted. And so it was like, well, I feel like an M550 would be better in pretty much every single way v..."
The BMW 5 Series is a mid-size luxury car. The podcast is comparing it to a more powerful M550 version and suggesting the stronger model would be better. It comes up because the 5 Series is the starting point for performance upgrades.
The BMW 5 Series is a mid-size luxury sedan that’s designed to balance comfort with driving ability. The podcast contrasts it with the idea of an M550, implying that the performance version would be better in most ways. It’s discussed because the 5 Series is often the base platform people consider when stepping up to higher-performance trims.
M5 CS
"And then at the other opposite end of the spectrum was the M5 CS... they just fixed everything and it was unbelievable. It handled better obviously, but the important thing is it rode considerably better... Better quality damping."
The BMW M5 CS is a track-leaning, comfort-improved special edition within the M5 family. Here, the hosts emphasize that it “fixed everything,” especially ride quality—better damping and a more composed, comfortable ride compared with the earlier car they drove.
quality damping
"So much better riding. Better quality damping. But the one I'm going to get so much hate for this."
Damping refers to how the suspension’s shock absorbers control spring movement over bumps and during body motion. “Better quality damping” means the car absorbs impacts more smoothly and keeps the ride settled without feeling overly stiff.
long gear ratios
"I think the long gear ratios in the manual do really let it down. [3572.1s] Because you can be on a twisty winding road, [3574.0s] wanting to use this excellent gearbox"
Long gear ratios mean the car is set up so each gear goes farther before you need to shift. That can be annoying on twisty roads if you want to change gears more often.
“Long gear ratios” means the transmission is geared so each gear covers more speed range, so the engine doesn’t need to rev as often. On a manual, that can make you stay in one gear longer—exactly what the speaker describes as being stuck using “third the whole way,” which reduces the urge to shift.
flat six
"wanting to use this excellent gearbox [3575.9s] and exercise that beautiful sounding flat six. [3578.5s] And actually just find yourself using third the whole way."
A “flat six” is Porsche’s six-cylinder engine design where the cylinders sit opposite each other. The speaker likes how it sounds, but the car’s gearing makes it harder to enjoy that sound by shifting more.
A “flat six” is Porsche’s horizontally opposed six-cylinder engine layout (often called a boxer engine). The speaker praises its sound and wants to use it more actively, but the gearing makes them stay in one gear instead of shifting up and down to keep the engine in the sweet spot.
Porsche 911
"[3615.6s] But it doesn't sound interesting, the four cylinder in the mirror. [3620.2s] But the flat six sounds, I mean, it sounds like you in a 911. [3622.9s] It's fantastic."
They’re saying the engine sounds like a Porsche 911—one of the most iconic sports-car sounds. The takeaway is that the six-cylinder has a more exciting, “special” sound than a four-cylinder.
The speaker compares the “flat six” sound to the Porsche 911, which is famous for its air-cooled/flat-six heritage (depending on generation). The point is that the engine note and character feel more exotic and engaging than a typical four-cylinder.
"didn't gel" with a car
"And I've had it some days when you jump in a car and you just don't gel with it. They cut the roads, don't suit them up."
Sometimes you get into a car and it just doesn’t feel right to you. That can happen because of your mood, the road, or the timing—so it’s not always a problem with the car itself.
“Didn’t gel” is a driving-enthusiast way of saying the car’s character didn’t match the driver’s expectations or mood that day. Even a great car can feel off if you’re not in the right headspace, or if the route/conditions don’t highlight its strengths.
ROP
"Sam, anything you'd like to end on? [3719.0s] I want to touch on on the next episode [3720.6s] on a racetrack that's being torn up. [3722.8s] Oh yeah, ROP. [3724.6s] Yeah, really sad news."
They mention “ROP” as a racetrack that’s being changed or removed. The point is that it’s a bummer for racing fans because the track won’t be the same.
“ROP” in this context appears to refer to a specific racetrack being torn up. It’s likely shorthand used by the hosts for the track name, and the segment is about the sadness of losing or altering racing infrastructure.
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