The hosts share their experiences sailing a Leopard 46 catamaran in the British Virgin Islands, discussing the challenges of boat handling, mooring, and the local sailing culture. They reflect on the impact of hurricanes, the rise of charter boats, and the appeal of both catamarans and monohulls. The conversation shifts to car topics, including California cracking down on Montana-registered supercars to prevent tax evasion, and a charitable giveaway of a modified Porsche 911 Turbo S. They also answer listener questions about car and boat advice, watch recommendations, and automotive trends.
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"Yeah, the throttle like the throttle you have two engines on this boat And one of them really you said responds very quickly to your the stick the other one doesn't that yeah ... Well and the reason it really comes into play in a catamaran is because when you are"
Twin engines mean the boat has two engines instead of one. You have to control both engines carefully so the boat moves straight and works well.
Twin engines refer to a boat or vehicle powered by two separate engines, often requiring careful synchronization of controls like throttles to ensure balanced and efficient operation.
"Yeah, the throttle like the throttle you have two engines on this boat And one of them really you said responds very quickly to your the stick the other one doesn't that yeah"
The throttle is like a gas pedal that controls how fast the engine runs. On boats with two engines, you have two throttles to control, and they need to work together so the boat moves smoothly.
The throttle controls the engine's power output by regulating the amount of fuel and air entering the engine. In boats with twin engines, each engine has its own throttle, which must be synchronized for smooth operation.
"There's a company now since the last time we've gone boating called Boatty Ball which is a privately owned mooring company and they drop moorings in public popular places"
A mooring is like a parking spot in the water where boats can tie up safely instead of dropping an anchor. It helps keep boats in place and organized.
A mooring is a fixed anchor point in the water where boats can be tied up instead of anchoring. Moorings are often used in popular boating areas to provide a secure and designated spot for boats to stay.
"It's actually pretty amazing how Useful Google Earth has become for boating because you can see where the sandy spot is in the in the in the anchorage"
Google Earth is a tool that shows pictures from above, so boaters can see where good spots to anchor or stop are before they get there.
Google Earth provides satellite imagery that can help boaters identify features like sandy spots in anchorages, making it a useful tool for navigation and anchoring decisions.
"they had these maxi class, you know racing sailboats there and they're about to have like maxi Race week or something with 12 of these things I mean imagine seeing 12 of these things racing like, you know, head to head across an ocean"
Maxi class racing sailboats are big, fast sailboats used for racing on the ocean. They are made from strong, light materials and have many people working together to sail them quickly.
Maxi class racing sailboats are very large, high-performance racing yachts typically around 75 to 100 feet long. They are built with advanced materials like carbon fiber and crewed by skilled sailors to compete in ocean races, often reaching speeds of 25 to 30 knots.
"These books these boats are 75 to 100 feet long all carbon fiber all carbon everything carbon fiber big open decks crews of like, you know 25 people"
Carbon fiber is a very light and strong material used to make things like boats and cars. It helps them go faster because it weighs less but is still very tough.
Carbon fiber is a lightweight and extremely strong material commonly used in high-performance boats and cars. Its use allows for lighter structures that maintain strength and durability, improving speed and efficiency.
"and they can go 25 30 knots Huge boat going really fast, which we didn't calculate is like 50 60 miles per hour. Just no, it's 1.2 That was 1.85 Knots to miles an hour. Oh, that was knots kilometers knots to kilometers. Yeah. Yeah. No knots to miles an hour is 1.2."
Knots are how fast boats and planes go, like miles per hour but for water and air. One knot is a bit faster than one mile per hour.
Knots are a unit of speed used in maritime and aviation contexts, equal to one nautical mile per hour. One knot is approximately 1.15 miles per hour, so 25 to 30 knots translates to about 29 to 35 mph.
"It's I mean, I get you know, you can own a race team and they just and there's always like the team principal and they run the team And they're they're on the boat effectively, you know the car analogy."
A team principal is like the boss of a racing team. They make big decisions and help run the team during races.
A team principal is the person responsible for managing a racing team, overseeing operations, strategy, and often acting as the public face of the team.
"So now you've got you've got these like what are called j-class yachts, which if you've um, which is like Old america's cup from like 1910 where the boat is huge and it looks like a big like Schooner like a fucking it's got like, you know, 19 sails on it."
J-Class yachts are very big and fancy old sailboats used in famous boat races a long time ago. They have lots of sails and look really cool.
J-Class yachts are large sailing yachts originally built for the America's Cup races in the early 20th century, around 1910. They are known for their impressive size, multiple sails, and classic design, making them highly valuable and beautiful sailing vessels.
"Deep seven figures a year just to keep fucking floating right just to keep the varnish on the world"
Varnish is a shiny coating put on wood to keep it safe from water and damage. It also makes the wood look nice and shiny.
Varnish is a clear protective finish applied to wood surfaces to protect them from moisture and damage while enhancing their appearance. On boats, varnish is essential for maintaining the wood's durability and shine.
"That's the goodwood replica of the ferrari 250 lm"
The Ferrari 250 LM is an old and special sports car made by Ferrari. It was built to race and is very valuable today.
The Ferrari 250 LM is a rare mid-engine sports car produced in the 1960s, known for its racing pedigree and classic design. It is highly prized by collectors and often replicated in homage projects.
"But if you have even a half these I could if I could sell 80 of the cars And keep daily and like kuntosh and have a fucking sick boat and be on it every day"
A daily driver is the car you use every day to get around, like going to work or running errands. It's usually easy to drive and dependable.
A daily driver is a vehicle that is used regularly for everyday transportation, emphasizing reliability and practicality over performance or rarity.
"And keep daily and like kuntosh and have a fucking sick boat and be on it every day Boat life in south florida is what's up. Yeah, if you're in that club"
Boat life means spending a lot of time on a boat, either for fun or as a way of living. People who enjoy boat life often go sailing or hang out on the water.
Boat life refers to the lifestyle of spending significant time on a boat, often involving leisure activities such as sailing, fishing, or cruising, and sometimes living aboard.
"I don't know if I can own one of these catamarans though. I think I'd have to have a mono hull"
A mono hull is a boat that has just one main body or hull. It's the usual kind of boat shape you see, different from boats with two or more hulls.
A mono hull is a boat with a single hull, the traditional design for most boats, offering a balance of stability and speed. It contrasts with multi-hull boats like catamarans.
"That's how you because you can't register them in california like those the back of the skyline whatever"
The Nissan Skyline is a sporty car from Japan that was mostly sold there, so it can be hard to register in places like California.
The Nissan Skyline is a famous Japanese sports car, especially known for its high-performance variants like the GT-R. Many Skyline models were originally sold only in Japan, making them classic examples of JDM cars.
"I wish they had avenues so that people like who had jdm cars could register them"
JDM means cars that were originally sold only in Japan. People like them because they can be special or different from cars sold in other countries.
JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market, referring to vehicles and parts made specifically for the Japanese market. Enthusiasts outside Japan often seek JDM cars for their unique specifications and performance.
"We're giving away a 9 11 turbo s. This is crazy from a boat... We're giving away this is 25 9 11 turbo s"
The Porsche 911 Turbo S is a very fast and fancy sports car made by Porsche. It has a strong engine with turbochargers that help it go really fast.
The Porsche 911 Turbo S is a high-performance variant of the iconic 911 sports car, known for its powerful turbocharged engine, advanced technology, and exceptional driving dynamics.
"Uh, and it is a it is a charitable giveaway charitable adjacent
And uh, they've done a good thing. We're partnered with dream giveaways."
A charitable giveaway is when a car is given away to help raise money for a good cause, like a charity. People usually donate money to enter the contest.
A charitable giveaway is a promotion where a car or other prize is given away to raise funds for charity, often involving donations instead of purchases.
""do we think manual transmission consumer level cars will hold their value better than automatic counterparts? For example, this person drives a 2019 cross-track with a manual and love that. Yeah, that will for sure.""
A manual transmission means you change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal called the clutch. Many people like it because it makes driving more fun and gives you more control.
A manual transmission is a type of vehicle transmission that requires the driver to manually shift gears using a clutch and gear stick. It is often favored by driving enthusiasts for the greater control and engagement it offers compared to automatic transmissions.
"Whereas like a $15,000 corvette is a sledgehammer. It's got a good dynamics too. Like you can put good suspension on it"
The Corvette is a fast and sporty car from Chevrolet that people like to improve with better parts to make it handle even better.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a classic American sports car known for its powerful performance and dynamic handling. It is often praised for its potential to be upgraded with better suspension and other performance parts.
"For around 45 grand. I can get a Mustang mach 1 or a boss 302 that has 10 grand in upgrades
Will the upgrades be that much more worth it over a better interior ride?
The key word is chicagoland
shitty roads man
I know if you live somewhere with smooth roads the boss 302 is really a gem
but it is the end of the solid axle cars and
There's a lot you can do"
The Boss 302 is a special Mustang made for racing and driving on tracks. It uses an older type of suspension that can be tough on bumpy roads.
The Ford Mustang Boss 302 is a high-performance Mustang variant known for its track-focused setup and solid rear axle suspension. It represents the end of the solid axle era for Mustangs before independent rear suspension became standard.
"I know if you live somewhere with smooth roads the boss 302 is really a gem
but it is the end of the solid axle cars and
There's a lot you can do"
A solid axle means the back wheels are connected together on one strong bar. This can make the ride bumpier on rough roads.
A solid axle is a type of rear suspension where both wheels are connected by a single rigid beam. It is durable and simple but can be less comfortable and less effective on rough or uneven roads compared to independent rear suspension.
"But you really can't make them like better on bad tarmac compared to an irs and the mach 1 is like
Settled great car like mag ride"
Independent rear suspension means the back wheels can move up and down separately, making the car smoother and easier to control on bumpy roads.
Independent rear suspension (IRS) allows each rear wheel to move independently, improving ride comfort and handling on uneven surfaces compared to solid axle setups.
"But you really can't make them like better on bad tarmac compared to an irs and the mach 1 is like
Settled great car like mag ride
Settled, you know, like it's basically the Shelby without the engine"
MagRide is a special kind of car suspension that can change how soft or hard the shocks feel while you drive, making the ride smoother and the car handle better.
Magnetorheological suspension, branded as MagRide, is an adaptive damping system that uses magnetically controlled fluid to adjust shock absorber stiffness in real time, improving ride quality and handling.
"Yeah, um and with the Tremac, right? I don't think correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a boss 302
I think a boss 302 got a got the get drag. I don't think it got a Tremac. I don't I don't think
Any Mustang of that era
outside of the gt 500 got a Tremac"
A Tremec transmission is a type of manual gearbox that is strong and used in fast cars to help change gears smoothly.
Tremec is a brand of manual transmissions known for durability and performance, often used in high-performance cars like the Mustang Shelby GT500.
"I think a boss 302 got a got the get drag. I don't think it got a Tremac. I don't I don't think
Any Mustang of that era
outside of the gt 500 got a Tremac"
The Shelby GT500 is a very fast Mustang with a strong engine and a special manual gearbox called a Tremec.
The Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is a high-performance Mustang variant equipped with a Tremec manual transmission and a powerful engine, representing the top-tier Shelby model in the Mustang lineup.
"Uh, david ruddock. Um, we've seen the news that honda is basically throwing in the towel on evs at least in the us"
Honda is a big company that makes cars and motorcycles. They are trying different types of engines, including electric ones.
Honda is a major Japanese automotive manufacturer known for producing cars, motorcycles, and power equipment. They have been investing in various powertrain technologies including internal combustion engines, hybrids, and electric vehicles.
"Uh, david ruddock. Um, we've seen the news that honda is basically throwing in the towel on evs at least in the us"
An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. It uses batteries to power the motor and doesn't make pollution when you drive it.
An electric vehicle (EV) is a car powered entirely or primarily by electric motors using energy stored in batteries, rather than an internal combustion engine. EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions and are considered key to reducing environmental impact.
"Do we think the japanese oems are better off focusing on ice and uh parallel hybrids right now and waiting to see how the ev market shakes out"
An ICE is the regular engine in most cars that burns gas to make the car move.
An internal combustion engine (ICE) is a traditional engine that burns fuel such as gasoline or diesel inside cylinders to create power. ICE vehicles have been the dominant automotive technology for over a century.
"Do we think the japanese oems are better off focusing on ice and uh parallel hybrids right now and waiting to see how the ev market shakes out"
A parallel hybrid is a car that uses both a gas engine and an electric motor to help it run better and save fuel.
A parallel hybrid is a type of hybrid vehicle where both the internal combustion engine and electric motor can independently or together power the vehicle. This setup improves fuel efficiency and reduces emissions compared to traditional ICE vehicles.
"The honda one and the zdx are both the gm ev platform, right same as catalac lyric and the"
An EV platform is the basic design that electric cars are built on, including where the batteries and motors go.
An EV platform is a vehicle architecture designed specifically for electric vehicles, including battery placement, electric motors, and associated systems. Sharing EV platforms allows manufacturers to reduce costs and speed development.
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The Envenitos welcome aboard as it were boy indeed welcome aboard ahoy pick your
Naval word. We're on a boat bitches the floating tire podcast
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But this is the smoke tire podcast to break from vacation podcast
We are at Marina key right now in the British Virgin Islands
and it doesn't look like it if you're watching us on video because I think that today has really this whole week has
Really made me appreciate the aerodynamics of yachts
Not just for the sailing and stuff like that
But like as it pertains to people's comfort cooling them and whatever using the wind because like if you go
Here it's like 20 miles an hour wind and actually it's it's relatively rough out there for this area
But this shot doesn't really show it because right here where we're sitting. It's very nice
Yeah, but getting here was a pretty windy experience. It was kicked up to like 20 to 25. Yeah, something like that
So forget forget today, you know, Zach and I went we went we went yachting
2017 with the Thailand
2020 went to Tahiti
We didn't get to do it last year but 2026. We're in the British Virgin Islands, which is where I went to camp the whitest shit ever
Um, you could say I colonized no
No, we went to camp
You know sailing camp down here and you and you lived and learned and sailed these 50-foot yachts that you rented
You didn't rent the camp rented from a place called the moorings and it's on tortola
and it's where we now rent these sailboats from and
I was like, what if let's go back and see it because there was a hurricane here Irma
There's still evidence of it. Yeah, just a couple years ago
I mean, yeah cause huge flooding buildings got knocked down, of course boats
I mean we we yesterday where we moored there was a beach
Yeah, desolate beach and we walked, you know 50 feet away into the the mangroves and there was a boat
Yeah, just a boat that was a large sailboat beach that had been
Harvested engine gone like sure all the useful stuff had been taken out of that boat
And it was just the carcass and on the on the beach was the mast
That's true. We saw the mast. I was like, I wonder what belongs to this
You know, we thought it washed up on shore
But the boat was there too and a lot of the old places that I went to as a youngster
Like the Bitter End Yacht Club and the Marina where this boat came from and this place
Marina Key and like a whole bunch of other places that just got completely wiped out and were rebuilt
To varying degrees of sort of modernity, you know, and now
It's it's very pop. There's way more boats here than there ever were
It's very popular. There's a ton of mooring balls places rather than open anchoring like there used to be
Places like the baths, which were pretty
Open 25 years ago are now very kind of amusement parky
Well, it's a lot more cruise ships. I was reading and that's contributing to some of some of the coral death. We've seen
Unfortunately, and that's not to say it's not cool. Like it's lovely here and the wind has been very strong
So actually we've gotten some really nice sailing
In the boat, which was this is called a leopard 46. It's a it's a big catamaran the I mean as far as like quality of sailing
They sort of suck. I mean, it's effectively like driving
To RVs side-by-side strapped like a cab over van, you know
Yeah, or yeah to RVs just it catches all the wind not the sails catch the wind
But also like this frontal area, but yeah, the coefficient of drag would be a hundred
It's like driving two buses at once basically
But it is very nice to live on
And if you're watching the video, you know, you can see the background, you know going back and forth
It's way better on this than it would be on a monohull boat even though those boats would sail better
Oh in terms of the rocking. Yeah, yeah, definitely like if you look at well those lean over, you know
When they when they say oh, yeah, do a little bit, but not that much
Yeah, you don't have to make sure that your dishes are all like locked up, you know on this boat most of the time
Which is cool. Yeah, it's an amazing way to see any area like this. Yeah. Oh, it's so special any I mean almost anywhere
Even countries that are like
Not all that amazing usually have pretty nice coastlines
You know like you can see you know like the thing about boating is it makes a pretty small place feel pretty big
You know like this with the sail we did that was like three hours today. It was like 20 miles. Oh, wow
Yeah, it's like not it's not far, but you go past three islands. Yeah, you know each one of them feels like their own world and
We tuck into this place we try to go to another place. It was too busy to get out of the wind
I mean, you know, we're kind of looking for parking spots
a perfect example of how how not far you go when sailing boats like this is
we first we left Tortolla we sailed to Norman Island
overnight and
Is our first stop in the middle of the night to the two o'clock in the morning our generator dies
Zach and I and Tim wake up and we poke around the generator like very sleepy, you know and
Quickly disarm that it's actually thrown its belt like there's like there's a shroud over it
So you can't see it immediately, but if you peek around enough you can see the belt is like shredded so
Alright, so no generator in the morning
I call like the moorings customer service and actually pretty good endorsement of them and they're like all right
Well, where are you gonna be for the next, you know 12 hours?
I'm gonna leave here, and I'm gonna go here great great. We'll meet you there and the guy comes over, you know
And and looks at it has a bunch of generator belts. So clearly this is a thing
Realize as he doesn't have the one we need was I gotta go back to base. I'll be back in 45 minutes, and I'm like
Bullshit and but like no he was he had a really fast fast, but we don't want took off
So he's you know he's the distance that we're sailing in days this guy's you know our entire week sailing distance is probably the service techs
Day their route. Yeah, that's right. Hey, whereas, you know if we did we've done any of our
Road trip stuff or off road trips. We often cover hundreds of miles multiple states and stuff like that hardly covering anywhere
Yeah, we're basically doing a lap around
Tortoll the islands the islands around tortola, which is a is a nice way to see the Caribbean gorgeous
Yeah, I've never been here before so it's nice. It's great stunning. Yeah. Yeah, the islands scapes are really fun
This the sunsets are really amazing
This boat is a nice place to live
But but you know when you get on a new boat that you haven't you know operated before
The first day it's like getting a new car like we get a new cars all the time
And if I'm in I if like man like normally you get in if press cars dropped off
You look sitting it for ten minutes and like set up your phone
Set your mirrors there
You ever get in a you ever have a car press car delivered and like you had to be somewhere
You just like how to get in it
Sure, you just jump in start going and then you don't know where the volume control is yeah
It's actually harder to do that like I'm in a rush press cars been delivered
I got somewhere to be got get in it put it in D
go
Like and now I'm like trying to like navigate through traffic
While setting up this other shit, you know what I mean and while do and it's like kind of like
Panicky, but with sailing you you can't do that like you can't figure out
How is the sail gonna go up until you put the sail up?
You can't figure out how it's gonna do certain things just like on the dock what's like what is the rate?
That this will steer yeah a car would steer you know
And so is the sail gonna go up smoothly and easily or not and is the I don't know so so many systems here
Yeah, the throttle like the throttle you have two engines on this boat
And one of them really you said responds very quickly to your the stick the other one doesn't that yeah
That's so if you have a great boat the two throttles will be exactly the same if you have a rental boat or an older boat or a
You know crappier boat if they may not be right and it's you could anyone can adjust like
Just like my dad's whaler there's the to have even acceleration with the two engines
The the the throttles have to be about an inch apart thumb
It's nice because your thumb if you put if you wrap your your right two knuckles around the right one
Operate the left one by pushing it with your thumb. It keeps it roughly in the right spread
It took me a while to learn that to get my hand set up to this one. It's fucking
This makes me never want to own one of the Z car minis
You know they had those twin engines in the back and that's great when it's perfectly tuned
Sure the day that it goes out a little bit out of sync
Yeah, and you can't have two feet on the gas sure
Well and the reason it really comes into play in a catamaran is because when you are
Docking when you're mooring or anchoring or whatever you're not steering with the wheel at all your ex the wheel is in fact locked
You're driving it like a like a tank and so if the engines don't respond the same
It's gonna take you a minute to figure that out and it came it came into play
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both the learning how to get the sales up correctly and and and
learning how to set up our mooring lines correctly and
Learning how to act effectively steer it tank style happened in like a 20 knot wind
the first night trying to anchor it's like
incredibly
tricky and
and and we had to
Get a little reinforcements from our buddy Nats captain. Oh, that's true
To help set up the mooring lines so we knew how to fucking do it, right? Yeah, it's all by fire for sure
They set up mooring lines on this boat differently than our last boat
Like we had we had like one big cleat on the last boat that you just threw the thing on and here you have to like
Make a bridle and like we just hadn't prepared for that
So we were trying to like figure out how to make this bridle while I'm trying to like keep it was just in real time
It was actually yeah, fortunately it's gone much better since then
As I said, we learned quickly because since then we've been perfect because we were so we're so paranoid about being that bad
Yeah, yeah, and now we're perfect and now like today coming over here
like we were coming we were going for a different anchorage and
We dawdled a bit and and the moorings that we wanted were gone
They're first come first serve and those were taken so we couldn't get that so this is a backup and
While that happened the wind really really really kicked up and we were like, oh, no like we don't we don't want to have
Not have a good safe spot when it's like really windy like this and
you know
I've never anchored this particular boat in
25 not wins. It's probably fine, but do I want to risk it's unnerving not early so
there's there's a
There's a company now since the last time we've gone boating called Boatty Ball
Which is a privately owned
mooring company and they drop moorings in public
popular places and
You reserve them online
I suppose like you would an Airbnb or something like that. I mean it's pretty easy
It's a pretty easy app other than it's not an app. It's a website that you do from your phone and
It's easy to book one
But but on the map that shows where the moorings are
It doesn't you I'm not on that map
There's no me overlay, right? So like as I approach the mooring field. It's like okay. Well your moorings here
But I don't know where you where you are, you know, so that so you it you can get an idea
But like for us we have we had to be like look at all these and every other boat who's come in here
It's been like is that number 19? I don't know
It's like if you use Google Maps to go to a restaurant, but I just told you the city block
It's on yeah and say in front of this door this door this door just kind of general area
It seems like for an app that's used exclusively for people on yachts
They should invest in a GPS over yeah
It's actually pretty amazing how
Useful Google Earth has become
for boating because you can see where the sandy spot is in the in the in the anchorage you can actually see
Your location versus like coral and sometimes even better than like the boat GPS
Yeah, it's really detailed in satellite imagery as long as it's up to date enough that like there hasn't been them, you know
Hurricane thing made a new beach or made a new sandbar or something like that right right right
But it man, this is this is the way to travel and and when you're captaining the boat yourself and doing yourself
It keeps your brain just enough engaged. I think like it you it does require
Like thinking and problem-solving and like real decision-making a lot
Speed that's kind of relaxing
Yeah, and then there's always like a 10-minute pocket of decisions where it's like
You know that your processor speeds up a lot, right? It's like just enough something and just enough nothing. Yes perfectly said
This is interesting because like right now the wind and the current are not at the same
Angle and that's why the boat was sort of going side to side
Sort of wish the boat would stay a little more straight into the current wind is shifting right now
Yeah, we're behind a coral reef, so it's breaking up the swells, but it's not stopping the wind
Screen went to sleep, but but we elected to
Be on a mooring here where it's windy
Rather than attempt an anchor in a strange place where it's a little less windy, but still really fucking windy
So safety first sometimes you know why safety first because our boat came off anchor in fucking Thailand
That's why that's why safety. It's really called safety deposit first
deposit first
No deposit no problem, right? The deposits on the TST MX that still exists
MX the did you see my did I you've seen my mirror MX? I'm very happy
Yeah, yeah, you really get to call them and ask for it, right? Oh look
There's that gold boat of bros we saw this morning the black and gold. Yeah, yeah
There's a tattoos and tans. Yeah, I'm calling that book dude. There's some really cool boats down here
I mean, there's obviously 80% of the boats are just these big fat charter catamarans like ours full of big fat
Americans like me in fact in most cases
Bigger bigger and faster
But some of the privately owned boats that are down here
I mean if your boat is like big enough for you to sail it down here for somewhere else
You know if it's a big yacht or a big catamaran or something that it's it's pretty sick
And you can tell when someone's like been from far away
Well, I talked to those people that sailed the Atlantic in their cat and their cat was only a little bigger than this one
Was that the one with the fabric? Yes, they sailed
No way. Yeah, that's pretty boss. You probably got to choose the right season. Oh for sure
Yeah, you can't take this in a big, you know winter ocean
Well, but there's there are a lot of people that do that like it's it's it's a very cool thing to do
But it's not that uncommon and with prep people can do it on Ebola like member was it
Wasn't it in Thailand where on the very last day we returned the boat
There was like a couple in their 60s on a boat like ours
It was a couple down the dock and they had like a bunch of fuel drums here
And we were like, oh, what's up with that? And she was like, oh, we just shuttled this boat
To to heat to Thailand from the British Virgin Islands. I was like, I'm sorry. What she's like
Yeah, we sailed it through the Panama Canal
Across the Pacific Ocean to Thailand carry 600 gallons of fuel. Yeah, and I was like and
What did you what like it was a her and her husband and they she was like we read all the books and
And we she said they motor sailed. She said they they ran the engines at
2000 rpm and for a month when there was yeah for a month and they had like, I don't know whatever it was
800 gallons of fuel and one of you know, one of the state rooms was like totally full of
canned goods and shit
And you know, they that and that was her job. Oh, you said they're gonna sell it. Yeah, no for the moorings
Yeah
Like because there's seasonal like, you know, you rent a boat six months in advance
They go someone's gotta someone's got to get one of these things over there
Sure
I thought they would just put a bunch of these on like a larger container ship and just
Well, they probably to the shipment. I bet whenever they come from because these are built in South Africa
I bet they come to wherever the Caribbean 20 30 at a time probably but like
You know, wow. Yeah, I see things, you know
It's like people that buy expensive van life vans and yeah when they're 60 and they just want to tour the national parks
Do it with a boat. Yeah, I get it. But yeah, I think they said it was a month
I would do that once but I want to be on a bigger boat for sure
Yeah, with someone who like really knows what they're doing and has done it 10 times. Yeah, that's what I would do
Yeah, but we saw it speaking of bigger boats, you know, we were at the bitter end yacht club, which is a cool spot
that's rebuilt after the
Hurricanes and they had these maxi class, you know racing sailboats there and they're about to have like maxi
Race week or something with 12 of these things
I mean imagine seeing 12 of these things racing like, you know, head to head across an ocean
Pretty cool. These books these boats are 75 to 100 feet long all carbon fiber all carbon everything carbon fiber big open decks
crews of like, you know 25 people and and they can go 25 30 knots
Huge boat going really fast, which we didn't calculate is like 50 60 miles per hour. Just no, it's 1.2
That was 1.85
Knots to miles an hour. Oh, that was knots kilometers knots to kilometers. Yeah. Yeah. No knots to miles an hour is 1.2. So
It was amazing to see them up close and
I guess the racing is probably going to be happening while this it's like now, right? It's like this weekend
Yeah, we left a couple days ago, but it's like pretty much now and uh, really cool stuff huge money
You can see it
You can the amount of carbon fiber on that thing the size of the boat itself the mass the
The you know two steering wheels and they had the big toolboxes like a race toolboxes are made of carbon fiber
Rolled out on the dock like almost like, uh, you know, like an MCA team or something has the toolboxes
Like all the things they could need. Yeah, it's like that
Awesome. Oh, there's the wind again
You're tax dollars at work
It's yeah
Sale boat racing in the bvi, right? Oh, man. Nothing says I'm like outside of like what I'm starting a space company or something
Like I'm I'm racing
Huge yachts
But wait didn't someone say that only one boat owner races their own yacht
The other ones just have keep them like race horses and they're like, yes
Yeah, win and then they get to hold the trophy and not only that they come down on their own
Super yacht to go out and watch the race from their yacht
While watching their other yacht
It's yeah, you thought I mean dude
You think you live you think you're rich. I don't
You're probably
Even you are probably global five percent or something
Oh, that's probably true, but you know, when you see that point
You know the point
One you're like what the fuck
It's I mean, I get you know, you can own a race team and they just and there's always like the team principal and they run the team
And they're they're on the boat effectively, you know the car analogy. Yeah
But I don't know it just seems like if you're so interested in the sport
And you don't have to be in the car driving it you could be on the boat
Oh, yeah, there's so many jobs on the boat
So like why not be there while it's happening and just let the Indians do the stuff
So like when I worked when I worked at footlocker back in the day
I was a really good worker. I was I was great at sales great with people. I put up numbers
I was like really good at selling fucking shoes
But it was always a little weird
Because I wasn't quite like the other people, right?
Whatever fine
So I've been trying to outwork that for a while. I can imagine what that's like
What that might be like if you're the team owner
But you're also like I want to be there, but I'm not good enough to skip or this thing
So I'm going to hire someone else to run it
And I'm going to be like a grinder or
Whatever, but there's going to be like two people in charge over me
But I'm also writing their checks like and you're not going to be as good at any of those like grinder
Whatever it's called deckhand thing because you don't do it that you only do it for your races. Yeah, they probably do it all the time
Yeah, so you're holding the team back while this 26 year olds like no good. Good job. Mr. Stevens. Yeah, that no
We we loop it the other way. There you go. Yeah, no, it's good
And then you gotta just go get his cash check
You're bad
Then you're back at the nice your yacht because you're sleeping on your yacht
Right and then they're sleeping in the belly of the racing boat on like ugly bunks, you know
Going
We could have fucking won that right. Yeah, if mr
If count von, you know
Count von coxman didn't need to fucking be a part of the team. We would have had a shot
Yeah, that's a tough thing. It's like with car stuff. There's a certain point the owner goes. I'm not going to race the car anymore
I'm not fast enough, but we could win this thing. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
At a certain point, you know
Ray Hall letterman racings hires other drivers
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But uh, I see both sides of it. But like no if you're if you're racing yachts and you're
Skippering the race yacht and it's your fucking boat
That's pretty boss. That is like I kind of I kind of respect that definitely, you know
That I respect that more than owning a race yacht that you're not
on
Same as if you were chief engineer of a race team, whatever series and so it doesn't even matter if it's imsa, you know
Gtd gt pro then like if you are the owner but also head engineer or team principal and like you have to orchestrate that entire team
From beginning to end and the effort that goes into it to then win something is enormous. Yeah, so pretty cool. Yeah
Uh, but I just the visual
Of watching the maybe the maybe they have a youtube channel. It's like, uh, it's like, uh north sound maxi week or something like that virgin gorda maxi week
2026 wait a minute dude. Look
Is that oh, I thought I saw like a dozen black sails, but it was just like a dark part of an island
See over there where that could be
It's the drugs. It's just the drugs. I'm just loose. All right
Uh, you know what I'm saying? Let's look like that. Huh? That does look like a sail
Doesn't that look like a whole bunch of tall black sails? I see one of them
There's also a lot of rocks, but there is one tall black sail over there
They're they're the boats are all carbon and the can these sails are kevlar and they're normally, um black or you know
Kind of gray. I'm not sure why there is a film called north sound maxi regatta 2025. Yeah, what fucking go check that out
I bet it's sick. That would be what a gig that would be to film master was the first race
It used to be cold. I mean they've raised to be the codex 24
And then they sold it
Yes, and then it was the tampax nationals, right?
That'd be so funny
Yeah, talk about a fucking the dope dopest class of boat with the with the weirdest
Sam name
Yeah maxi sounds it implies things that it's not
Not necessarily if they're big from the boats though
They're sweet
Huge, but it's like a crew of
You've got if you've got a big
Big giant yacht like of course you have a crew of 25 because there's like serving you food and all this stuff
You got one of these things you got a crew of 25. They do nothing but sail
Like they keep the boat clean and they sail it, but like they're not serving you, you know what I mean?
That's not like a luxury yacht crew. That's a racing crew. So the amount you have to employ the same number of people or more
And then you have to employ them other people on your other also like that dude
That's now you've got you got like 80 people just for essentially for you to jack off. What's like, uh
That's like a commercial jet, you know, let's a 380
So you've got pilot co-pilot. Maybe one of the person up there and then they've got I don't know staff of 10
Let's just say yeah, but you could be flying like one of those air force radar planes
Something we're basically the focus of the aircraft is so scientific or so
Ballistic that it requires lots of people just to fly the plane and operate the systems versus serving 400 people food sure
Fuck it's just like
But like just for yourself not for like government or science like just for you your own private
Yeah, just for you to jack off to my racing yacht, you know, that's crazy
Uh, but you know what's even crazier than that shit though
You really want to get down there is classic maxi yacht racing like, you know, like oh, yeah
You think it's expensive to race them all like try running a portion 917 for a season, right irreplaceable vehicle
So now you've got you've got these like what are called j-class yachts, which if you've um, which is like
Old america's cup from like 1910 where the boat is huge and it looks like a big like
Schooner like a fucking it's got like, you know, 19 sails on it. It would yes
And if you see one in a harbor like we saw them at newport, there's a couple of them in newport
They'll stop you in your tracks if you see one because they're nothing more beautiful has ever been built
To for purposes of sailing they're the the prettiest things ever made they probably cost
You know
Deep seven figures a year just to keep fucking floating right just to keep the varnish on the world
Oh my god polish and seal polish, but it's like at that point you're talking about like
Maintaining what is effectively irreplaceable art. Yeah
Well, we with the boat we saw the crazy pirate schooner in the bay yesterday two days ago like it's a it's a six year old
Right. No, it was a replica of a pirate ship. Yeah, it's a steel hull. Yes, but then has all the supermass all the big sails
Uh, it's called the some stod Amsterdam right? Yeah, and you could apparently charter it
You can like rent it and stuff, but that's the remake fucking black pearl. I mean, it's like it is a big pirate ship
That's the goodwood replica of the ferrari 250 lm
But they you you could go on their website. They had like adventures or something
They're sailing it across the ocean
That like you could sign up to do an atlantic crossing on that that would actually be kind of the shit
I would because then you get to watch these people sail a pirate ship across the atlantic
Yeah, but it's presumably safely. Yeah, that's a good point because a lot of those boats it sink
It's got it. It's got an engine. It's steel hull network. So it's not going to break apart. Yeah
um, but like this
I I I totally understand if if if cars become super sucky
I could get real heavy into boats
And it wouldn't be that hard. Well, someone asked the question not to jump ahead
But if we if we lived in a place like this
Would we keep our car enthusiasm going by owning a car? We just kind of move on to a different hobby
How absolute shit was the drive from the airport to to the marina? Yeah
It would not it was a twisty very bumpy road with lots of houses. So it was everything we don't like about a driving road
Yeah, um, I think if we lived in a place like this and I mean the islands literally the islands
We'd have to have like a couple dirt bikes and find a couple trails
Maybe do that and a sim racer. Yeah, that's that's that'll be my motor vehicle
Yeah, there's nowhere to drive. Um
If I lived I I was thinking like if I had to move to florida like if if hannah got some amazing job in miami
Or you know, whatever south florida. We had to move to florida
Obviously, it's very difficult to enjoy cars in florida
But if you have even a half these I could if I could sell 80 of the cars
And keep daily and like kuntosh and have a fucking sick boat and be on it every day
Boat life in south florida is what's up. Yeah, if you're in that club
Whole different stories. See you go sailboat though. Not super power boat. Not in miami. Yeah, miami. You don't want sailboat, but in here
Oh boy, that's scaring me
We're good. Okay, uh, but uh, but uh
Yeah here. Oh sailboat. Absolutely sailboat
I don't know if I can own one of these catamarans though. I think I'd have to have a mono hull
They're just too they're just much prettier. If you want to host people, this is the way to do it
Um, but I think to sail like the mono hull slips through the water and this is kind of like
It's twisting and moving and doing a lot of this stuff
There are you know in fairness the only catamarans I've sailed have been these rental ones. I've never sailed like a great
There there's a couple of these like like tim's obsessed with these performance catamarans
Uh, which I to me a performance catamaran is like the x5m
You know, it's like why yeah, it's fast for a catamaran. Yeah, like accept your fucking fate. Habibi. It's you know, but
I'm told that they can be they can be quite fast. I know and I know like, you know
There are some racing catamarans are insanely fast
But the market will always try to offer us everything so you go well
I like the mono hull because it's quicker
But the cat has all the space and someone goes and they build the thing and they go it's both
And you know asterisk. I just I the the aesthetic of a mono hull sailboat. It's just it's just too pretty for me
I would have to have one that really had
Uh, well thought out
Spacious deck because what the cat has
Is the the top, you know top deck
You know that that's kind of space that you don't really get on a lot of the mono hulls because they're just there's
Lines and then there's the pilot house or whatever. It's just yeah, you can't like use it
Right, so like but a really well designed one that has a big spacious deck is like about that
Uh, should we talk about cars?
Uh, yeah, everybody wants us to wow. This is a big plane. We should hold for aircraft aircraft
Everybody wants us to talk about the montana thing, right?
That's a big that's a heavy boy prop plane a heavy boy
Most of our anchorages and are not within
Ear shot of the airport, but no today was a beggars campy choosers day
Which I mean look where we are like if we have to listen to a plane every 20 minutes
Until sunset I can live with myself last few days. We felt so remote that when I heard a plane I got confused
Last night when dark
I was hoping tonight would be even darker, but no not here. No, not here
That was it turns out that is going to be the darkest and then tomorrow night. We're going to yostavon dyke
Which is not uh, not an edm dj
But an island that has a uh a lot of beach bars
It's party island. So
Uh, anyway cars
The montana thing right right everyone like like so many people sent me this finally finally
About about once every what two three years
uh some
politician or
Uh criminal justice employee
Does a little something about this
And uh, and it becomes news right in this case. It was some dealers that were
registering
Cars in montana for people that clearly did not live there, right?
So I mean the headline in rodentrack is that the california attorney general cracking down on montana registered super cars
They indicted 14 on tax fraud charges
The cars in this example are a 1918 spider a ferrari f12 tdf a mclaren elva
Among the vehicles that were you know illegally registered elsewhere, but only driven in california and all cars that could be registered here
That's the big thing because we've had
We've had some people dm us and say like well
It's probably because the cars can't be registered in cali you go no no no no no like that that's some of them
But I would bet the majority are people who are just skipping taxes
I saw the list of cars and I went oh no these are all
limited production but but but from big oems where the cars could be sold in california. Yes, absolutely so
Yeah, I mean so at the dealer level and because i'm a car dealer
I know this like you're you're responsible for collecting that sales tax if you know that car is going to be sold in in you know
in california
This came into play for me
With with my um
With my jdm cars as well because my jdm cars couldn't be sold in california. So I had to
Ship them to south carolina and to ship them back because like
That's how you because you can't register them in california like those the back of the skyline whatever
And that was the only way that the dealer would sell them to me
They would not sell them to me
To stay in california because they couldn't because it's on the dealer. So if the it's very difficult to prosecute a person
For driving a montana registered car. Why because the car is not registered to them
It's registered to some fucking llc
And you pull someone over on a montana tag and they go
Well, they can go. Well, it's not my car and if they're smart their name won't be on the insurance card
You know, it'll just be some business and not their fucking name
But like you it's hard to get someone on that unless you
Repeatedly the same cop repeatedly sees the same dude
So it's very difficult to prosecute that whereas if there are dealers that have a habit
are known for
Set registering cars in montana that they know aren't going there
Well, yeah, fucking start with them. That's it. That's a good place to start if you're gonna do enforcement
Sure, it's the bigger fish. Yeah, you know in california once the money like the tax revenue
They would get from these cars. Yeah, and then
And I don't know I get mad. It's for me. It's like a fairness thing
You see expensive cars the person clearly has the money to buy the car wants to live in california
Like pay the cost to be the boss. You know, uh, we see and then we see like new
Regularly complain about the shittiness of california one of my
And like look, I know that the amount of money that is probably being you know siphoned off or you know saved
Is not enough to fix all of california's problems
But if all you're doing is dodging taxes and then you complain about problems that could possibly be solved with money
Yeah, then like it just frustrates me frust that frustrates me to know it. Yeah. Yeah, so like
It'll be interesting to see if that if this is a sustained right push or you get your headline
Maybe they you know, maybe they scare a few dealers in line that weren't you know operating above board
And then we don't hear about it again for two years, which is what's happened by the way for the last 10 15 years
Oh, they're gonna crack down and then they and then fucking nothing nothing
Well, it's like, you know speed patrol by radar signs
So it works and it and it it works. It's the nudge. So it if you go after the dealers individuals who are doing this
Michael, oh, I should probably switch my into cali. I'll pay the taxes
Because I don't want to get in trouble and taken to court by the ag
So it works on the individual level through the knock-on effect
But they don't have to get prosecuted to have that effect right and
Hey, look if
If you've got an expensive car that can't cannot be registered in california like I I
Understand your plight. I really do
And like I'm not gonna individ you know, everyone's everyone's on their own adventure in life. You know what I mean, but like
I just you know, so I I
Okay, good. Yes. Finally. Someone's doing something. We'll see if it's sustained. I wish california
California has to recognize its place in the car world. I mean all these design studios are in so cal
manufacturers offices of all kinds like the influence of california and car culture
is huge, but I wish they had
avenues so that people like who had jdm cars could register them
You know if the new lentils law went forward like things that would help up people bring their cars to cali and then
If you also have a new ferrari that can absolutely be registered here like then, you know, go after them too. So
Just keep like build the systems to help people bring the cars here and then enforce the systems. Yeah, that should be enforced
Yeah, because you could
It's it's effectively the itunes model, right? Like oh people are pirating music
We'll make it easy for them to buy it
And they just will right right right if people are bringing gtrs here anyway
Help them do it get some money for the state. They're only like, you know 200 gtrs in the state like r34 is in earlier
Yeah, so, I mean obviously we support this
But we are taking a real wait and see one story and one big bust is not not enough of a of a change
Um, do you want to go to the patreon?
Is that it?
That's all we had. Oh, and then I mean this is a new a developing story
Dude, you didn't talk about the fucking 9 11 yet
Oh, yeah
We should move this to the front. We're so yeah, we should we'll take this to the front
We'll take the third part last. Uh, we don't have to do that. That's okay. Um, yeah, dude 9 11
We're giving away a 9 11 turbo s. This is crazy from a boat
From a boat. We're giving away this is 25 9 11 turbo s
optioned to hell. Oh, yeah to the heaven really. Yeah
Uh, very pretty car
Uh, and it is a it is a charitable giveaway charitable adjacent
And uh, they've done a good thing. We're partnered with dream giveaways. They've been around for a long time
They've done a ton of giveaways. They list like the
Uh, the registration numbers and everything for the charities. So you know that they're like legit
Um, it's it's not it's uh, it's it's a good thing. So it's very simple
There's not a lot of merch you have to buy. It's uh, it's a donation to the charity
And all the terms and conditions the eligibility all that stuff is on the website
But we basically took this car stock and we tweaked it a little bit
Not in a bunch of warranty voiding ways because it's a 275 thousand dollar brand new car
But in ways that make it like a little more to our liking
Set up for canyon driving
For fast touring. So uh, over the next three months, you're gonna see a series of videos on the youtube channel
Detailing what we've done with the car
And you can you can take it home plus to throw it in 75 k for the taxes
Not the state sales taxes the the income tax offset like right so you can uh, you know, if you if you win
The car it counts as income and they give you money to pay the taxes against them
So you can keep the car if you want you don't have to you
You're not like, holy shit. I got to sell the car to pay the taxes like you could probably keep the car
You figure this one out. Uh, but it's uh
Ridiculously fast. Oh my god. It's very pretty. Yeah, uh, it's very comfortable 18 ways
All the turbo s goodies glass roof glass roof
18 ways rear wiper, right? I love the rear wiper painted engine louvers
Very rare option look really nice gray metallic looks fabulous
Um, plus not to give it away, but
Some wheels some suspension, right? We did some things. We did a few things
Uh, so the link will be in in the show
Um, you know, obviously we we do earn some money from this so you're helping to support us
Um, and uh, and you could win with a car. I mean bread like an awesome car like
Extremely sick car like a car. You could drive for the rest of your life. Yeah, and in four seasons. Absolutely. Yeah
Magnus was just in the show. He's got a 200,000 mile one of these. Yeah, he bought it with 165
Yeah, now he's got over 200 on it. You could you could win this car and you could daily drive it for 20 years
Like easily people do that in 9 11 turbos like pretty regularly actually
I mean Magnus is a great example when I saw his car when he bought it
I went this is such a good idea and then he's got 40,000 more miles on it
Like you like I would truly love to just live with a turbo s for a very very long time
I'm very impressed at how in Magnus's car the leather is held up
You see how much fucking metal that dude wears on him?
He's got like studs. That's true. He's got like a skull
Buckle and all this all this all this stuff
His leather ain't tore up. That's crazy when he first bought the car. The passenger seat was pristine
Because no one sat in it. Yeah, the guy owned it. Just like what would he commute back and forth to vegas or something every week
Yeah, he was like a sort of traveling long, you know salesman who just drove long distance all the time
So his seat was like worn in but not torn or anything and his seat looked brand new
Fabulous. Yeah, I mean I love that life. I'm not sure
I mean if anyone could do it Porsche could do it and I didn't sit in that seat, but like
I their their seats tend like the mod of the 18 ways like they tend to hold up pretty well over time
I think anyway, I mean my
Tycon seat like doesn't feel like worn in all weird even it was only 25,000 miles
Can we just can we talk yet about what where we took the car or should we save that?
Like where we drove it
Oh, okay
Save that. All right. Make them fucking wait dude. You build the suspense
Roll it out along with the videos. There's gonna be four videos about the car
So watch for those shots of the car what we did with it where we took it etc etc
And uh, there'll be a link in the description of this show
To enter to win some and then also the about page from dream giveaway
If you want to see the charities they work with and all the other stuff the how it works, etc
I am I'm pretty stoked for this one. Someone's gonna win a fucking narshty car
And we've been the only watch I brought on this trip is the
Uh, bros and ferry think I call it. Uh, it's very good. Very good. Uh notice canyon. I've gone to the ocean with it
Saltwater every single day. It's great. The new clasp has not uh, not come off not come loose
It's very very comfortable and uh, these are going to be going on sale really soon
But it has passed. Uh, it's past the ocean earring test. Yeah so far. So i'm very excited about that
Your clasp outlasted my whoops clasp
Oh, Zach lost his Zach lost his whoops
They sell a uh, like a diving version of that clasp of that brace that get it. Yeah, lose your whoop. Yeah, that's a bummer
We're gonna have to get another one of those. Oh, is our is our neighbor coming in?
Another catamaran coming in pretty hot that person must be anchored right that guy's anchored. Yeah, I'm not I did
I mean respect, but I'm not anchoring just make your own parking spot sometime
I mean that you can and and
Someone out there who was a very experienced yachtsman is gonna be like you fucking pussy
You won't anchor and fuck you won't anchor in 25. Just do it seven to one, bro. You're fine with seven to one, but like
Uh, it's a rented boat man. Like I don't know it's like we last time we did this was six years ago
Last time we did before that was three years before that
Yeah, so if we took that person on racetrack and they never been on a racetrack
We're just like just break at the two board, dude
You can do it break trail break off. Just make sure you roll on perfectly. Otherwise you hit the wall
They're gonna be like what? No, I'm breaking it to five. So no, you're totally right. Yeah, you're totally right
Although I mean we did we did see some speed in this thing on day one
In like 20 18 to 20 knots of wind on a broad reach. We saw 9.4 at one point
And then today a lot of wind it was like 20 to 25 miles an hour
Flying dead downwind with just the jib. We were going six and a half to seven pretty steady
Which is like pretty for a fat 46 foot boat like this. This is good
Um, should we get to the questions? Sure
Before we get to the questions
Should we judge our neighbors uh more in parking jump? Yeah
I'm sure everybody was judging us. First of all, the poll is not extended yet
Oh, boy. It's not really ready mooring 29. Oh, they're going further in. No, they're no, they're probably going here
This dude's coming in hot dude. This guy's so hot. It's gonna stretch down
Wow. Wow. Wow. You can overshoot this buddy so far
Oh, oh my god, he's gonna. Oh, he just he slams on on the brakes
All right, they got it. Did he really? Yeah
Wow, dude hockey stopped that. He did he really did. Wow. They went from like five to zero and like 50 feet
That is
So
aggressive, right
Maybe we have something to learn
I like our method. I I like to I'd rather approach slowly
I like to approach docks because if they had overshot it if that guy hadn't hooked it right then
Then the you know the ball's in the middle. This guy is he's using he's using a lot of
Is he on by the way or did he miss?
Uh, they're on but only with one
Oh, oh, you know what? Fuck this. Fuck this. We gave this guy a lot of credit for some move
And by the way, what has he done? He's cocked it right up hasn't he?
We put yeah for people listening
He's supposed to get two different ropes on the mooring ball and they've got one on but now the ball is
But now the ball is like way off the side and behind them and now they're watch your fingers. This guy's
What do you think is oh boy
What you're gonna let go sir let go sir let go. Yeah
I've learned that too. I'm like, I'm not strong enough to hold this giant book
I only judge other people because I
Know for a fact that they're judging me because we had that our first night was in front of a crowd
And it wasn't great. I was gonna wipe your uh camera off a little bit, but I was it's much I'm tethered
I think slightly but only slightly. Let's fix it. Give it a little give it a little what have yous?
Is it humidity a little bit of the old houses you're following
Was it gotten worse? Oh, it's okay. Oh, you know what you have the mat
What's it called? Oh, that is better. Is it okay?
Anyway
Here we go. How's our how's our neighbor doing are they they're on oh, they're on there. Okay, cool. All right
We were better
Not our first day
Not our first day, but I didn't come in at five knots right that was humming dude
You got to approach that shit slow. It's a big boy sneak up on it. That's a 54 dude
He captain ron that thing
Captain ron's by the way his docking technique
This is very difficult very ballsy, but was
I haven't seen that movie since it came out. Oh, I watched it last week in preparation. You were training. Yeah
Um, all right, they'll get out of your way learn that driving the saratoga
All right, let's go to our patreon question
Yeah, let's do it if you want to ask questions on the podcast get your question answered get card advice all those things
Go to patreon.com. Look at you this whole entire podcast. Look at you. Well, you have boat adhd right now
It's good though. You're relaxed. I just want to I just want to
Judge others like I feel I've been judged
It's not too much to ask clap. I was nice. I was so happy that when the captain came to help us
He was just like let me give you a hint. He wasn't like you fucking moron
So no it's really funny because like we get down here
And we're in the lobby waiting for our boat to be ready and who walks in
My friend nat mundi who I've known for 20 years
He runs hk motor cars in canada get they sell race cars and weird cars glicking houses and ssc's and random cars
You can't buy and not random in a bad way, but like exotic cars. You can't buy in regular dealerships
He sells the new stuff nick cage would buy
in uh gone 60 seconds, right? Yeah the chimeras
Stuff like that. So he just walks in with his wife
They were getting on a boat same day. They got a captain
And so we don't have a captain and so we end up
Doing our terrible fucking mooring job the first day right in front of him and his captain
And uh, they were like, uh, you need a little need a little assist and I was like a little assist is okay
So they he got us right set us up with our with a bridal technique that served us very well
Yes, since that we've used his techniques since but like these fucking jimmy buffett ass mother fuckers next to us
We're cackling dude a straight cackling and so now I I don't feel bad
About cackling myself. I just it's like I didn't I wasn't that into hazing the next round of people in the fraternity
Some people after having been hazed. Yeah, we're like they're really into it. Oh, dude
Nobody abuses like the abused nobody
That's so dark and true
And so some people just couldn't wait. I was like, this is this is a little sadistic
Yeah, they were like really excited to have the power trip and for a lot of them
They were like, I'll never win a fist fight so I can tell these people what to do
But when it comes to anchoring and mooring and things like that, I will judge. You know what interesting fraternity story
One guy was an ass to all the pledges
But the one he didn't give shit to is my friend my dear friend chris bosward who was in the wedding party with you
Because tris knows jujitsu and knew it in 2001 and everybody knew that and they're like, no, we're not gonna
Not gonna make fun of him
Yeah, that shows you how uh weak that particular fraternity guy was. Yeah, uh, all right to the people enough about us
All right yawning run gmc says
Would you rather have an air conditioning system that keeps the car cool enough just below the level of uncomfortable?
Or a gas gauge that never reads properly
And an uncalibrated odometer so you always run out of gas half a mile from a gas station. Oh, I go ac
Yeah, ac I can live I've had cars with no ac that I'll live I don't want to push the car half a mile every week
We had the the the the the copper cobra
The copper cobra had no odometer and no fuel gauge and a five gallon fuel tank
How is that it's like a drag race car it's not even a road race car. No, it was uh for one lap of america
Oh, so they make it but well
All right, so for the track time you have the lightest tank. No, I think they swapped the tank after one lap of america
It was I think for just like a track days and autocross and shit very brief track day. Yeah
In a cobra you're getting what five miles per gallon. Yeah, let's say seven and be nice. I mean
Yeah, I couldn't tell you I still couldn't tell you that's wild it might have got 25 miles a gallon. I don't know
I couldn't tell you
Six speed weighs 100 pounds. Yeah, absolutely. All right, good point 200 pounds. All right
I don't I have no idea what the fuel economy was. I never ran out
Um, all right. Jay Leno's clapped out kia amanti is planning a road trip with his friends and wants to know what tips you have
To create a multi-day enjoyable drive. He knows how to find roads. That's not the question
But what other elements do you look for when you're planning a route?
Well
Once you've found the roads
Then it's about finding shit to do in the places that you stop
Which is usually Hannah's job, but
Yeah, I mean making sure that like you're giving yourself time to like find shit
Like oh, there's oh, I see a thing that looks interesting
Well, yes, I have time to stop and check that out. Oh, there's a
You know, uh, when you you know, I've got to the hotel at two o'clock
What do I do with the rest of my day? You know, maybe it's a hike. Maybe it's a whatever like
Like if you're just in the car 12 hours a day, you're not going to do anything else
But we don't like to drive more than 200 miles a day anymore
Because we like to have like at least part of a day doing something a walk
Shopping like we eat whatever the fuck, you know, so it's like once you found your roads that it's about
Making sure that you have like things to engage you once you're like no longer in the car, right?
Um the swinging tire
If we had a second podcast that was around a specific theme yaw thing it would be about yawks. All right
Yeah, would it be yawts?
It would be such a great excuse to just go out on people's yawts
So how did you afford your yacht? What is your next yacht?
That's how you maximize vacation right off. Oh, we could be such assholes. Yeah. Yeah
I mean politics is attractive, but so complicated and perilous like you need to be really like
You need a research team like john oliver cell. I think we're so dangerous to get pulled into the different pools
so that would be interesting but
um
I don't know. I think I could do on on extreme sports stuff. That's like that would interest me again
Uh, all right randy you're out. At what point does a boat get too big for it to be reasonably fun to sail?
And what's the largest boat you've sailed
Largest boat i've ever sailed was a
Mono hull was a 54
I've never sailed anything bigger than that
uh
Length doesn't necessarily make a boat less fun to sail
with ken
When a boat can point close to the wind
That's usually what makes it nice to sail and if it like
If you can steer it without a bunch of like effort and like kickback like it like boats have steering feel like cars
And good steering like I bet those racing boats have amazing steering feel
Um, wow, this has absolute garbage the steering feeling this is a heinous
Uh, this is like jeep wrangler. Just lots of lots of turns, but not a lot of response
Wrangler steering. It's terrible
um
What was the question about fun boat? How big can it be before it stops being fun? I mean anything over like
50 55 it starts to become real tricky to take out by yourself
Yeah, and I I don't want a boat that's so big. I can't take it out by myself
And then you can't relax for a bit while you're out by yourself. Yeah, yeah
Um from head gas gets unworthy. By the way, this is a that's a real like how how big is use your boat when it's too big
Like that's a real 20 20 question. You need a team
Um, do we think manual transmission consumer level cars will hold their value better than automatic counterparts?
For example, this person drives a 2019 cross-track with a manual and love that. Yeah, that will for sure. Yeah
I think stuff that has
Some kind of enthusiasm behind it cross-track does it does so when you have that and you add the manual
It's like the uh, what was it the honda element the manuals. Yeah, you all drive like hard to find
Good systems capable of a lot of stuff. Those were popular
Um, all right, this is a long one remember the supercharged element
They made that stock. I thought that was like something made for sima wasn't that it sc wasn't supercharged sc
Or was that just uh, did I make up that that was a thing? I thought that was a thing pretty sure that question's too long
um
Have we considered having james pump free on we've I've dm'd him. I don't have a relationship with him, but I don't I
I would ask him. I don't know him that tag him on his instagram tell him to come on the show
Do do
Matt what car would your cats drive based on their personalities from zen?
Well, that's interesting cricket would drive a garbage truck
cricket cricket is
Is the most food motivated cat ever she's like she's a garbage dumpster. So she would drive a garbage truck
Nikki would be like a white is a real white jet a girl
Finn is like a bronc would be a bronco using a meathead
Monty would ride would be hitchhiking on in the back of a pickup truck. Nice, which which he did which he did
Um, this is pumpernickel country day school
That's great
Does the appeal of mid-engine dynamics carry through to lower end offerings like the mr2 the 96 etc
Yes, when now is it better one can can compare to similar money in corvette z's stuff like that
Like you get more power from a front engine car, you know, well from from for the same money
Right, but well, they just they're not, you know, you know this they're not comparable
Um, I mean the for the 96 is a much nicer thing to drive the interior is nicer
It feels more solid in every way like it's got better curb appeal. I think the corvette's just faster and louder
Yeah, but the interior looks like it's made of plate from like play school play sets. Yeah now corvette dynamics are good too
But they're like a specific kind
um, I do think mid-engine
cars are
worth
The premium for their mid-engine is most of the time
Um
The higher performance the car the more it's worth it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I agree
If it's a real like the third gen mr2 if it's kind of slow like you can feel
You have to be more tuned into the dynamic to really feel the benefits. I think yeah to be excited by the car
How much is one of those now? I don't know what an mr2 cost, but it was $15,000. It's like it's not expensive, right?
Probably less probably less, right?
That's like your cheapest mid-engine car
And they're still pretty good
Like their baseline of of like where what is the jumping in point to this is pretty good
I think the the lower cost mid-engine cars are going to be finesse machines
Whereas like a $15,000 corvette is a sledgehammer. It's got a good dynamics too. Like you can put good suspension on it
But yeah, the the initial experience when it's stock is loud fast and kind of brash
Yeah, and that's what you get from Mustangs for the same price
um
My leaky valve gasket, uh, I want to purchase a second car to take the tracks around the chicagoland area
For around 45 grand. I can get a Mustang mach 1 or a boss 302 that has 10 grand in upgrades
Will the upgrades be that much more worth it over a better interior ride?
To and from the track in the mach 1. All right, so modified boss 302 versus stock Mustang mach 1
The key word is chicagoland
shitty roads man
I know if you live somewhere with smooth roads the boss 302 is really a gem
but it is the end of the solid axle cars and
There's a lot you can do
To make them really amazing
But you really can't make them like better on bad tarmac compared to an irs and the mach 1 is like
Settled great car like mag ride
Settled, you know, like it's basically the Shelby without the engine
Yeah, um and with the Tremac, right? I don't think correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a boss 302
I think a boss 302 got a got the get drag. I don't think it got a Tremac. I don't I don't think
Any Mustang of that era
outside of the gt 500 got a Tremac
Uh, right? I'm looking
We have very shit internet here. I mean, we I can't believe we have internet at all, but we have it's slow
Um asking Zach to look things up for the show is a
potentially
I mean, I think either way this person needs to be very honest about how often you're tracking your cars
If it's primarily a track car, I'd probably go boss 302 because
What I'm what I want from the car starts when I get to the gate of the track
Sure, and I deal with what the roads on the way there seems like a gt3 rs owner, but if you're really
You know if patreon person their patrons really just going to go to the track three times a year
And spend the rest of the time in the back roads or driving around you want you didn't want the muck one sure
Um, it's the death of the american sedan a hindrance to organized mob killings
It becomes much harder to hide a body in a trash bag in the back of an outback or a similar crossover
Given the decline. What is the best reasonably priced car with a spacious trunk available? But doesn't the
It's the tonneau covers though, you know you've are the what do you call it the luggage covers the things that you know
I mean they're attached to the hatch and they go up like
They're optional, but they're there
You could still hide a body in the back of a wagon or an suv or a crossover as long as it's got the
Luggage cover option and as long as it's not smelling too much
You can get pulled over
Oh, I was not gonna hide the smell that's a good point
But if that shit is like smelling you're gonna have you got a couple of problems
So what is the biggest car biggest trunk of a sedan on sale effectively? Is that the question? Yeah, probably an ls, right?
probably the
Alexis es maybe that that's like a fucking that's a car meant for hoobers, you know nes is where it's at
uh
Uh
How about
I mean you could say a very base like s class Mercedes maybe it doesn't have any of the fridges or non hybrid stuff
Yeah, non high a tall trunk, right?
Uh, I haven't measured the trunks of sedans to be honest with you
That question to me can be answered is just like what are the largest sedans on the market? Sure
But it's a fun way to ask but I don't I but I don't uh, I mean I I agree the mob is going to have some problems
With that. Yeah
Um, bmw blinker delete. I'm interested in a bronze diving watch
Other than the Tudor black bay. What other brands would you recommend?
Bronze is interesting, uh, oris makes a bronze. That's pretty cool. I think it's a black, uh oris diver 65. I think in bronze
Uh, the Tudor is is really kind of the best one unless you wanted to
Unless you could find yourself a panorai bronzo
Um, if you wanted something cheaper than the Tudor
Um, the aftermarket, uh does have you sorted. I uh, there's you can get a bronze
Case for a seiko. You could do a seiko turtle or a seiko
dive watch in bronze
Um custom. I mean aftermarket, but yeah, carl had one like that. It was pretty cool. Um
Who else does a good bronze that I know of? Hmm
I'm sure somebody does bronze is really interesting because like it it like tarnishes
Like it turns colors and gets like crusty and like that's not for everybody
You know like and you kind of
When you can sell it, but like not a lot of people are like trying to get
Your your your tarnished bronze later
Um, I thought I liked the bronze for a minute, but it's heavy shit and like
If you got a full bronze bracelet, it's really heavy
But if you don't get that it becomes very top heavy. Oh, so it's a lot
I thought I wanted the the panorai bronze which was carl had that shit and I put it on it was like
Like all my wrists were just like boom and just flopping down always
That was why I made a big deal with this watch for having the weight be very even around the wrist
It's very important to like not be like tweaking your wrist one way or the other. Um
but like
Yeah, I for me if you're gonna go bronze, it's the tutor or the panorai
But the oris diver 65 is pretty cool. Also. Yeah oris makes a nice one. That's uh
Uh, james may was wearing the oris pointer date when he came to to visit us lovely much
Uh, david ruddock. Um, we've seen the news that honda is basically throwing in the towel on evs at least in the us
Do we think the japanese oems are better off focusing on ice and uh parallel hybrids right now and waiting to see how the ev market shakes out
Or is this something where we look back
As uh, the end of the sorry we look back on as the beginning of the end for japanese oems
We're in all the honda evs on market and accurate evs on the market
Really other platforms like gms
Oh, um, that's true. The honda one and the zdx are both the gm ev platform, right same as catalac lyric and the
Yeah, they
Leased gms tech right yeah ltm stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So
No disrespect, huh? Yeah, it's a good point people coming back. No, no, that's a great point
No, yeah, maybe they had to sunset their ev program. I mean like
Yeah, or maybe like I mean they just
Yeah, they maybe they were trying to like
You know
Maybe they pulled a very smart move
Or not smart, but but but definitely like a move that paid off where they
Leased this tech and did a wait and see before investing huge amounts of their own money
To see which way the wind blows and the wind has blown the other way. Yeah, our patron missed a uh an important detail
Which is that yes kia honda and hunday are canceling their
Us ev models, but so is gm. Yeah, and so if you're getting your your tech from gm and gm cancels it
You know, I guess I'm canceling the plan too. Yeah
that uh
That all
Lines up just like a 46 foot cat heading in a mooring
Where's this dude going?
It's caught in it tight on the reef is a little very
Um ram cini says I live in montana and I blew a tire my way home from the ice race
I have a Volkswagen all-track I put on 19 inch wheels with tiny tires
My question is do I keep the cool wheels and risk blowing another one or swap to a smaller rim bigger tire combo?
And the roads there were pretty smooth like the tarmac in montana is pretty good, but I always like more sidewall
I mean 19's on an all-track is a lot of rim, but wait, but
Did he did he say that he blew the tire because of sidewall?
I think they I think this person blew the wheel
They didn't say how it happened
But based on the context the wheel or or blew a tire blew a tire blue tire
Probably because the sidewall's too small and they need something possible
Uh, I mean, yeah, look, I'm I'm I have a tycon cross turismo and I went from 20s to 21
So I am not going to throw stones in a glass house of putting bigger rims on a car that's meant for
Whatever gravel or something, you know, but
Depends on your environment, you know, yeah, no, I mean given the fact that you're in montana
I mean, maybe you do want to go back to the oe size, you know
Came in
Oh, yeah came in my sock says this pen question
What would you recommend for a left-handed person in need of a pen that doesn't cause annoying friction you get from a ballpoint?
When the ball rolls into the edges of the pen point
Which is some real
enthusiast stuff
So I don't like your left-handed pens. There are I've never paid attention to them
um
Which like sometimes the clip or whatever is like a different on a different way around
um
I've never used a left-handed pen intentionally
I probably couldn't really tell you what what was about
but
Okay, then reduce the friction of the ball in the ballpoint
Is that what I'm talking about?
Mm-hmm
So like
You could start by maybe not using a ballpoint pen. Is that I don't know if that's a like a dick move
But to say something like that, but like a like a gel pen
Or a different type of a cartridge based fountain pen, which is what I like a lot
Cartridge based fountain pens have like no friction. They're so they're so light
Um, and gel pens are lighter to me than ballpoint though
Has that died? Yep. Oh, no
Oh, no using audio processing software. Oh, no, really?
These were full batteries too brand new brand new full batteries you
Know that's fucking terrible. I'm gonna be using more battery. Well, all right. Well, well, it doesn't feel hot
All right. Well, we'll have to wind this one down. Okay, we'll just wind it down at the the very end of the program
Thanks for listening for our our vacation show the as you can see the audio recorder
Is off
It died at some point and we will have to see when that is but you will know before we do
Um, we'll be back in the studio next week. Thanks for joining us from our floaty boaty here and uh
Go enter to win this Porsche do that in the meantime
The link will be in the show notes and uh, we'll talk to you soon. Bye
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