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Carvana Just WARNED the Car Market | Episode 1062

Carvana Just WARNED the Car Market | Episode 1062

CarEdge Live Apr 30, 2026 32 min
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About this episode

Carvana’s latest earnings are being read as a warning sign for the used-car market: wholesale prices are rising faster than retail, and the hosts think retail will have to catch up. They point to live listings showing Toyota RAV4s still priced at or above original MSRP, even with mileage and minor damage. The broader takeaway is blunt: supply remains tight, especially for one- to three-year-old vehicles, so buyers may need to act carefully and compare new versus used value.

Cars: Toyota RAV4
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Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Concept

hidden fees

"We'll contact dealers, remove hidden fees, and handle every step of the car buying process for you."

Hidden fees are extra charges that can show up at the end of a purchase. In car buying, they can make the final total cost higher than what you expected.

Company

Carvana

"Carvana, Dad, is sending some warnings to the used car market. Used car market's been crazy so far this year."

Carvana is a company that sells used cars online. Instead of going to a dealership, you buy through their website/app, and they handle the process end-to-end. Here, they’re basically saying something about how the used-car market is changing.

Concept

used car market

"Carvana, Dad, is sending some warnings to the used car market. Used car market's been crazy so far this year."

The used car market is just the world of buying and selling pre-owned cars. If a big player like Carvana changes what it’s doing, it can affect prices and how easy it is to find a good deal.

Concept

year over year

"They're selling more cars, 40% more cars than they had a year over a year."

“Year over year” means comparing this year’s numbers to last year’s numbers. It’s a common way companies show whether they’re growing or shrinking.

Concept

gross profit per unit

"Dad, are some pieces of information around gross profit per unit, and that's where I wanna turn our attention."

This is a way to measure how much profit a company makes on each car it sells. It’s useful because it can show whether profits are coming from pricing or from running the business more efficiently.

Concept

wholesale or retail

"so depending on where they're selling it, wholesale or retail, help us understand, kinda when you peel this back..."

Wholesale is usually selling cars to other sellers, while retail is selling directly to regular customers. Those two paths often have different profit margins and different pricing dynamics.

Concept

profit per vehicle sold

"Well, their overall profit per vehicle sold is down, okay?"

This means, on average, how much money the company makes for each car it sells. If it goes down, it can be a sign that selling cars is getting harder or less profitable.

Concept

wholesale values

"because the wholesale values of these used cars that they've been selling have gone up so rapidly in the first quarter of this year,"

Wholesale value is what dealers pay for a used car before they sell it to you. If those prices jump, dealers have to either accept lower profit or raise retail prices.

Concept

compressing their margins

"it's actually compressing their margins. They haven't been able to, at least at this point, increase the retail asking price as much as the wholesale cost price has gone up."

Margin compression means the difference between what a dealer pays for a car and what they can sell it for is getting smaller. Even if sales volume stays strong, smaller margins can make the business less profitable and more sensitive to price swings.

Concept

retail asking price

"increase the retail asking price as much as the wholesale cost price has gone up."

This is the price the dealer puts on the car for customers to buy. If it doesn’t rise as fast as the dealer’s costs, the dealer makes less money on each sale.

Concept

60 to 90 days between what they pay for it

"since it's usually 60 to 90 days between what they pay for it, we'll see it on the retail side 60 to 90 days later,"

Dealers don’t buy and immediately sell every car the same day. There’s usually a delay—often a couple months—so wholesale price changes can take time to show up in the prices you see.

Concept

used car prices continue to go up

"we're gonna see, I would think, use car prices continue to go up, not go down, but go up, and that, that's the real hidden fear here."

They’re predicting that used-car prices will keep rising. The idea is that when dealers pay more for cars, those higher costs eventually show up in the prices customers see.

Concept

total gross profit

"total gross profit over at Carvana for the quarter [274.6s] was $6,911. [276.5s] That's actually down from where they were recently,"

Gross profit is basically the profit from selling cars after paying the direct costs to get the cars ready and sell them. The hosts are using it to compare how Carvana did in one quarter versus another.

Concept

retail customer

"Carvana sells cars not only to people like us, [285.5s] you, me, and everyone in our community, [287.0s] they also sell many of their vehicles at auction. [289.8s] And the amount of money they made at auction"

A retail customer is the person who buys the car for themselves. The hosts are saying Carvana makes much more money when it sells directly to that end buyer than when it sells through auctions.

Concept

retail use car prices

"and 90 days, retail use car prices are gonna go up even more, which is shocking to me because retail use car prices are already sky high."

This is the sticker price you’d see when buying a used car from a dealer. It tends to rise when dealers have to pay more for the cars they buy and when there aren’t many used cars available.

Concept

trade-ins

"either via trade-ins that perhaps they appraise them for more money than they would have liked to, or when they go to auctions, wherever they're getting their cars, they're paying more for them."

A trade-in is when you turn in your old car to the dealer and it counts toward the price of the next car. The dealer can then sell that car again, which affects how many used cars are available.

Concept

auctions

"or when they go to auctions, wherever they're getting their cars, they're paying more for them. And the reason for that is because there's few of them available."

Dealers sometimes buy used cars at auction events instead of finding them one-by-one. If auction prices go up, dealers usually have to charge more when they resell those cars.

Concept

used car inventory levels

"And the reason for that is because there's few of them available. We know that used car inventory levels are below two million vehicles on a monthly basis."

This is basically how many used cars are sitting on lots (or available to dealers) at the moment. If there aren’t many cars to choose from, prices usually rise because everyone wants the limited supply.

Concept

chip shortage

"because there's nowhere to find the additional used cars that are needed because of the 10 to 15 million new cars that were scheduled to have been built globally during COVID that weren't built because there was a chip shortage"

Modern cars rely on computer chips. When there weren’t enough chips, car companies couldn’t build as many cars, so fewer cars ended up on the road—and that shortage can keep used prices high later.

Concept

inventory can catch up

"it's something that could last for several more years so inventory can catch up. Let's do a little bit, you know, we always do this, a live experiment."

This means there will be more cars available for sale. When there are more cars to choose from, prices often stop rising as quickly.

Concept

finance and insurance component

"And even when you take out the finance and insurance component, which is like, I think it was 2,600 bucks, that suggests that Carvana is making over $4,000 just from the cost of buying the car and then the price of selling the car to you."

When you buy a car, the deal can include extra money from financing and insurance. The hosts are trying to separate that extra profit from the profit that comes purely from the car’s price.

Concept

retail used car prices

"we actually think that retail used car prices are gonna go up even more. That was essentially the quote, that is the views from their CFO."

Retail used-car prices are what regular buyers pay for used cars at dealerships or online listings. If someone says these prices will go up, it means used cars may cost more soon.

Company

CFO

"That was essentially the quote, that is the views from their CFO. Let's spend a second here, dad."

CFO means “Chief Financial Officer.” It’s the top finance leader at a company who looks at numbers and forecasts what prices and sales might do next.

Brand

Toyota

"Should we do a Toyota? Should we do a Ford? Where do you wanna go?"

Toyota is a car brand. They’re suggesting we look at Toyota options because Toyota models tend to be popular.

Brand

Ford

"Should we do a Toyota? Should we do a Ford? Where do you wanna go?"

Ford is a car brand. They’re considering looking at Ford cars too, alongside Toyota.

Topic

under $20,000

"We can explore cars that they say all love, under $20,000, need it fast. What do you think?"

They’re talking about looking for cars that cost less than $20,000. It’s basically a budget limit for finding options.

Topic

need it fast

"We can explore cars that they say all love, under $20,000, need it fast. What do you think?"

“Need it fast” indicates urgency in the buying process, which can affect what inventory is available and how quickly a buyer can complete paperwork and delivery. In used-car marketplaces, speed often correlates with in-stock vehicles rather than special orders.

Company

CarMax

"[529.0s] You know, it was like a week and a half ago [531.2s] or two weeks ago where we did a story about CarMax. [535.1s] And their situation was, [537.7s] that they believe they need to lower prices [542.0s] because they're losing sales. [544.7s] Carvana, they're saying straight out,"

CarMax is another major used-car retailer, and the hosts reference it as having a different pricing strategy. The idea is that CarMax may hold prices steady while Carvana expects prices to increase, creating a market “disconnect.”

Car

Toyota RAV4

"Yeah, you're onto something here, Dad. [583.6s] Let's look at this one. [584.6s] Let's do a little bit of analysis. [585.8s] This is a 2025 Toyota RAV4. [588.7s] It's got 20,000 miles on it. [591.2s] And Carvana is offering a,"

They’re talking about a specific used car example: a 2025 Toyota RAV4. It’s a fairly low-mileage SUV, and they’re using it to explain pricing strategy.

Concept

price drop

"what is this, $400 price drop just today. It looks like it just got a price drop."

A price drop means the seller lowered the asking price. It often happens because other similar cars are cheaper or because the market is cooling off.

Term

VIN number

"There's the VIN number. You'll love this. You only get one key with this thing."

VIN is like a car’s fingerprint number. It helps you make sure you’re checking the exact same car, not a similar one.

Term

one key

"You'll love this. You only get one key with this thing. So keep that in mind as well."

Only having one key can be a problem because many cars need a programmed key fob to start and stay secure. If you need a second one later, it can cost money to replace and program.

Term

high mileage

"So we've got this, yeah, high mileage for 2025. It is, yes."

High mileage means the car has been driven a lot for its year. More miles can mean more wear, so it can change what a fair price is.

Concept

overpay

"[694.1s] if you want a one-year-old RAV4, [699.0s] and you insist that that's what it has to be, [702.7s] you are going to significantly overpay for it [707.2s] and do it graciously because Carvana, you can't negotiate."

They mean paying more than you’d like for the car. In this case, it’s because the buyer is being very specific about the car they want, and that makes it harder (and more expensive) to find a good deal.

Term

MSRP

"...to find out what that damn car's MSRP was when it was brand new with no miles."

MSRP is the price the car maker originally suggested for the car when it was brand-new. When you’re shopping used, people compare today’s price to MSRP to see if the deal is fair.

Term

Carfax

"Do they offer a look at the car fax by chance? Yeah, we've got the car fax right here."

Carfax is a report that tells you some of a used car’s history, like whether it’s been in an accident. Buyers use it to help decide if the car is a good deal or a risk.

Concept

registered as a rental vehicle

"I'm just curious as if it was registered as a rental vehicle one time."

When a car is “registered as a rental vehicle,” it typically means it was used by a rental company and may have higher wear from frequent use, short trips, and more drivers. It can also affect how the car was maintained and how it’s valued.

Concept

minor accident

"Ooh, must've been a drug runner. It had a minor accident."

A minor accident means the car wasn’t written off, but it still may have needed repairs. You’ll want to check what was fixed and whether it was repaired properly.

Concept

wholesale prices appreciated more than retail prices

"The CFO of Carvana, again, the quote... Mark Jenkins, CFO of Carvana. He said, quote, wholesale prices appreciated more than retail prices, and quote, expected to catch up"

Wholesale price is the price cars trade for before they reach you. Retail price is the price you see when you’re actually shopping. If wholesale prices go up faster, it can make it harder for sellers to profit when they sell to you.

Term

days on market

"Two things I was looking for, days on market. They've only had eight days, but they've already discounted the price."

“Days on market” means how many days the car has been advertised for sale. If it’s been listed a long time, it often means the price may be too high or demand is weaker.

Term

minor damage reported

"They've just given you a $400 price drop. And they're on the car fax, has been minor damage reported. That is the current state of the used car market."

“Minor damage reported” means the car’s history includes a smaller crash or damage event. It might still be fine, but it’s worth checking closely to make sure it was repaired properly.

Concept

used car prices are going to go up

"Their CFO thinks that used car prices are going to go up more. I agree with him."

They’re talking about a prediction that used cars will get more expensive. That can happen when fewer cars are available or when demand stays strong.

Term

dealer markups

"You shouldn't be paying additional dealer markups and things like that. But if you desperately need a new RAV4, your best bet is to pay over original NSRP..."

A dealer markup is an extra amount the dealership adds to the price of the car. If a car is hard to get, the dealer may charge more than the normal price.

Concept

pay over original NSRP with the one that has an accident on it

"But if you desperately need a new RAV4, your best bet is to pay over original NSRP with the one that has an accident on it. And 20,000 miles. Now, here's what I want you to do."

They’re saying that if you can’t wait for a brand-new car, you might consider one that’s been in an accident. But even then, it may still cost more than you’d expect because supply is tight.

Term

20,000 miles

"And 20,000 miles. Now, here's what I want you to do."

Miles are how far the car has been driven. Higher mileage usually means more wear, and it can change the price and what maintenance might be coming up.

Brand

CarEdge used

"All right, I'm back on CarEdge used. Yep, $34,998. Which is, and the other one was $39,450,"

They’re talking about CarEdge’s used-car listings—basically the page where they’re looking at a specific used vehicle and its price.

Term

XLE premium

"Oh yeah, this was an XLE premium. Okay. Okay. So wait a second, let's go back. There was- And find an XLE premium."

“XLE Premium” is the car’s trim level—think of it like a specific package of features. Two cars can be the same model, but different trims can have different equipment and cost.

Concept

year old vehicles with 20 or 21,000 miles

"...the people are willing to pay more than they should for year old vehicles with 20 or 21,000 miles on them."

That’s a used car that’s only about a year old and has low mileage. Normally you’d expect it to cost less than a brand-new one, so the point here is that the price is staying too high.

Term

Q1

"It was, quote, wholesale prices appreciated more than retail prices in Q1 and retail is expected to catch up."

Q1 is the first three months of the year. They’re using it to say when the price changes happened.

Concept

one to three year old vehicles

"...wholesale values, especially in the one to three year old vehicles, used vehicles. Those have appreciated more quickly or depreciated less than historically they would have."

This means cars that are still pretty new—about 1 to 3 years old. They can change in price differently than older used cars.

Concept

depreciated less than historically

"Those have appreciated more quickly or depreciated less than historically they would have."

Depreciation is how much the car loses value as time passes. “Less than historically” means it’s holding value better than it normally would.

Concept

financing it

"If you find a used vehicle and a price that you like that will, and if you're not paying cash and you're financing it, and it will provide you with a monthly payment..."

Financing is when you borrow money to buy the car and pay it back over time. Your monthly payment depends on the loan terms.

Concept

monthly payment

"...and you're financing it, and it will provide you with a monthly payment at a reasonable interest rate for a reasonable length of time..."

Your monthly payment is what you pay each month to pay off the car loan. Longer or shorter loan terms can change that number.

Concept

60 or 72 months

"...please folks, not more than 60 or 72 months, don't go 84 months. But if you find that vehicle today..."

This is how many months the loan lasts. A shorter loan term usually costs less overall, while a longer one can cost more in interest.

Concept

84 months

"please folks, not more than 60 or 72 months, don't go 84 months. But if you find that vehicle today..."

84 months is a very long car loan—about 7 years. It can make the monthly payment smaller, but you usually pay more overall.

Concept

used car values

"...buy it because it's gonna be cheaper today than it is tomorrow the way things have been going for the last six or seven months. There is nothing on the horizon that would indicate used car values are going to significantly drop."

Used car values are what used cars are selling for. The point here is that prices don’t look like they’re about to fall soon.

Concept

cash or finance

"So if there's something you like and it fits your budget, whether it be cash or finance, it's gonna be cheaper to buy it today than it is to wait."

You can either pay for the car all at once (cash) or borrow the money and pay it back over time (finance). The choice can change what the car really costs you.

Concept

shortage of available used cars

"There's just such a shortage of available used cars, especially one to three-year-old ones, that there's nothing that's gonna cause those prices to drop."

If there aren’t many used cars for sale, sellers can charge more. When the supply is tight—especially for newer used cars—prices usually don’t fall.

Concept

one to three-year-old ones

"There's just such a shortage of available used cars, especially one to three-year-old ones, that there's nothing that's gonna cause those prices to drop."

This means cars that are still fairly new—about 1 to 3 years old. People usually want them because they’re newer than older used cars, so they can cost more.

Concept

recession

"And every time we say, oh my God, there could be a recession, well, that doesn't appear to be."

A recession is when the economy slows down and people spend less. The host is saying that even if people worry about a recession, car prices aren’t dropping yet.

Concept

value analysis of new versus used

"Now I will, throw one caveat in there. Do your analysis of new versus used. Unlike prior car shopping experiences you may have had five years ago, 10 years ago, you wanted a better value."

This is basically comparing the real cost of buying new versus buying used. The point here is that used cars aren’t always cheaper anymore, especially when you factor in warranty coverage and overall risk.

Concept

depreciated 20%

"Unlike prior car shopping experiences you may have had five years ago, 10 years ago, you wanted a better value. It was obvious, you'd go for the used one, the one that's already depreciated 20% when it drove off the lot."

Depreciation is how quickly a car loses value over time. If a used car is “already depreciated 20%,” it means you’re buying it after it has already taken a big chunk of that value drop.

Term

manufacturer warranty

"it may be that you have to go for the new option that has full manufacturer warranty from a dealer who's not playing games."

A manufacturer warranty is the official promise from the car company to pay for certain repairs for a limited period. It can save you money if problems show up soon after you buy the car.

Concept

new option

"In today's market, if you're looking for a value, it may be that you have to go for the new option that has full manufacturer warranty from a dealer who's not playing games."

“New option” just means buying a brand-new car instead of a used one. They’re saying that depending on prices, a new car can sometimes make more sense than you’d expect.

Brand

Lego Joe

"We had a thoughtful contribution come in from Lego Joe and the earlier in the show, Dad. Thank you. Yes, Lego Joe."

“Lego Joe” is the name of a listener who sent in a comment. It’s not a car brand—just someone participating in the podcast.

Concept

floor plan interest

"naking up their floor plan interest [1569.5s] by higher profit margin used vehicles,"

Car dealerships usually borrow money to keep cars on their lot. They pay interest on that borrowing, and that cost is called floor plan interest.

Concept

profit margin

"[1569.5s] by higher profit margin used vehicles, [1572.0s] which then shows a buyer more upside down"

Profit margin is how much money a dealer keeps as profit after costs. The speaker is saying dealers may make more profit on used cars to cover other expenses.

Concept

upside down

"which then shows a buyer more upside down [1574.2s] in their current note because the dealer offers less"

“Upside down” means you owe more money on the car than it’s worth today. If you try to trade it in, you may still have money left to pay off.

Brand

Mazda

"[1578.3s] We had Joe from J.C. Lewis on yesterday. [1581.3s] He said, what, I have 176 new Mazda's."

Mazda is the car brand mentioned here. The speaker is talking about how many new Mazdas and used cars a dealer has in stock.

Concept

used cars side of things

"right now on the used cars side of things. Obviously, there's money to be made there..."

“Used cars” means cars that have already been owned before. The hosts are talking about how companies make money when they buy and resell those cars.

Concept

accounting magic

"Obviously, there's money to be made there and nobody, whether there's accounting magic going on or not, nobody seems to have figured it out better than Carvana has."

“Accounting magic” is a casual way to suggest that a company’s reported results may be influenced by aggressive accounting choices rather than purely by operational performance. Here, it’s used as a question about how Carvana achieved unusually strong profitability.

Concept

negotiating

"...spend perhaps a few dollars more than they should for the convenience of A, not having to go through the hassle of negotiating in the back and forth..."

In car retail, “negotiating” refers to the back-and-forth process between buyer and seller to agree on price and terms. The hosts contrast that with Carvana’s more direct, convenience-focused purchase flow.

Concept

delivered directly to them

"...and to have a vehicle delivered directly to them if they so desire."

“Delivered directly” describes a direct-to-consumer delivery model where the vehicle is brought to the buyer rather than requiring an in-person pickup. This is part of the convenience pitch the hosts attribute to Carvana’s business approach.

Concept

depreciation analysis

"please folks, use the depreciation analysis we have for used cars back on the CarEdge website. [1713.4s] When you search for cars under shop cars ... we have depreciation analysis for all used cars"

Depreciation analysis is a way to estimate how much a car’s price will fall as it gets older. It helps you understand whether a used car is losing value normally or holding value better than you’d expect.

Concept

not depreciating

"to understand the dynamics of what's going on [1727.0s] for used cars and how they in many cases [1729.3s] are not depreciating."

“Not depreciating” means the car’s price isn’t dropping much over time. Sometimes that happens when lots of people want the same type of car, but there aren’t many available.

Concept

trading value

"Want to come here, Dan, from LROB2Q. [1785.8s] Does this mean that you would get [1788.0s] a more favorable trading value?"

“Trading value” is what a dealer says your current car is worth if you use it as part of the deal. It’s usually not the same as the price you might get if you sold it yourself.

Concept

used car dealer

"Right now is a great time if you're a used car dealer [1798.0s] to steal someone's trade and make a boatload of money,"

A used car dealer is a business that buys vehicles from consumers and resells them, typically after inspection and reconditioning. In this segment, the discussion is about how dealers can profit from trade-ins when market conditions shift quickly.

Concept

market value

"You need to know what the market value is of your vehicle. [1815.5s] And how do you do that? [1816.6s] You can even go to our website and get offers"

Market value is the going price your vehicle can realistically fetch in today’s buying environment. The host emphasizes checking market value so you don’t accept a low trade offer based on a dealer’s pricing strategy.

Concept

cash offers

"Once you put the information of your vehicle into the website, we can get you cash offers. Yeah, used car managers want to buy their used car inventory"

A “cash offer” is when someone offers to buy your car and pay you directly, instead of using it as a trade toward another vehicle. It’s useful because you can compare it to what a dealer offers you as a trade-in.

Concept

inordinately low amount

"so that that used car manager that's trying to get your vehicle for an inordinately low amount doesn't succeed."

This means “way too low” compared to what your car should be worth. It’s a reminder to check the market value so you don’t accept an unfair trade offer.

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