Carvana SHOCKS The Auto Industry | Episode 1084
About this episode
CarEdge Live digs into why Carvana is rattling the auto industry, starting with a Wall Street Journal report on Carvana’s used-car growth and its new-car push that “has dealers rattled.” The hosts connect Carvana’s expansion to Jeff Bezos’ direct-to-consumer “Slate” effort, including Slate’s $650 million series C and Carvana warrants. They also discuss how online, AI-driven shopping and shipping could reshape dealer models—while used-car prices stay elevated amid a shortage of low-mileage late-model inventory.
FTC
"The other wake-up call for the industry is what we spoke about yesterday with what the FTC is doing. This feels different and deeper, though, Deb, because they're now partnering to a degree."
FTC is a U.S. government agency that looks out for consumers and tries to prevent unfair business practices. If the FTC is involved, it can mean rules or investigations that change how car companies sell and market vehicles.
FTC stands for the Federal Trade Commission, a U.S. government agency that enforces consumer protection and anti-trust rules. In the context of auto retail, FTC actions can affect how companies advertise, price, or structure deals—especially if regulators believe consumers aren’t being treated fairly.
equity
"This feels different and deeper, though, Deb, because they're now partnering to a degree. I mean, they're going to have equity, or at least the option to get equity, in one of these companies that is incredibly, it has a ton of interest."
Equity means owning part of a company. If you get equity, you can make money if the company becomes more valuable over time.
Equity is ownership in a company. The segment says Carvana (or a partner) may get equity—or the option to get it—in another company, meaning they could benefit financially if that company grows or succeeds.
Slate
"I mean, they're going to have equity, or at least the option to get equity, in one of these companies that is incredibly, it has a ton of interest. I mean, Slate has a ton of interest. Jeff Bezos is backing it."
Slate is a company being talked about as an EV-related product that’s getting a lot of attention. The hosts are suggesting Carvana might partner with it to help it grow faster.
Slate is referenced here as an EV company/product that has drawn significant market attention and headlines. The discussion frames Slate as something Carvana could partner with, potentially accelerating growth if Slate succeeds.
Jeff Bezos
"I mean, Slate has a ton of interest. Jeff Bezos is backing it. The product that they've presented to the market has garnered tons of headlines."
Jeff Bezos is a famous tech entrepreneur and investor. In this segment, he’s mentioned because his backing is seen as a vote of confidence for the EV company being discussed.
Jeff Bezos is the founder of Amazon and a major tech investor. Here, he’s cited as backing the EV-related effort, which the hosts treat as a signal that the project could scale faster than typical startups.
Lordstown Motors
"What were some of those EV companies that went out of business really quick? This is not Lordstown Motors. This has a different feel to it, and this is not related to the FTC."
Lordstown Motors is mentioned as an example of an EV company that failed quickly. The point is to contrast it with the current situation being discussed, implying this new effort may be different in structure or prospects.
Carvana
"It is a little bit related, obviously, to your point, around 2 million use car sold, but they could be selling 2 million new cars soon if Slate blows up and Carvana is part of the reason why. Well, I almost am amazed that Jeff Bezos would get in bed with Ernie Garcia III and Carvana, but perhaps he sees it as a way to more quickly scale Slate."
Carvana is a company that sells cars online, especially used cars. The hosts are saying Carvana could help another company grow faster by partnering with it.
Carvana is an online used-car retailer known for selling vehicles through a digital sales process and large “vending machine” style delivery/branding. In this segment, it’s discussed as a scale player that could help grow another company’s reach if it partners with them.
use car
"It is a little bit related, obviously, to your point, around 2 million use car sold, but they could be selling 2 million new cars soon if Slate blows up and Carvana is part of the reason why."
A used car is a car that someone owned before you. The hosts are talking about how many used cars Carvana sells and whether it could sell lots of new cars too.
A “use car” here clearly means a used car—vehicles that have been previously owned and are resold. The hosts use it to discuss Carvana’s scale in the used-car market and the possibility of moving more volume into new-car sales.
Ernie Garcia III
"Well, I almost am amazed that Jeff Bezos would get in bed with Ernie Garcia III and Carvana, but perhaps he sees it as a way to more quickly scale Slate."
Ernie Garcia III is a business leader associated with Carvana. The hosts are basically saying this is a big-name, high-stakes partnership.
Ernie Garcia III is referenced as a key figure connected to Carvana. The hosts mention him alongside Bezos to frame the partnership as a high-profile move that could accelerate growth.
CDJR
"Carvana took what was it, eight Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram dealerships and became some of the top volume CDJR dealerships in the country."
CDJR is a shorthand for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram. A “CDJR dealership” is a car store that sells cars from those brands.
CDJR is an industry shorthand for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram—brands under Stellantis. Dealership groups often bundle these brands together, so “CDJR dealerships” refers to stores that sell multiple Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram models.
publicly traded dealer group
"So, do you think, then, that perhaps every large publicly traded dealer group will become its own manufacturer of product as well? No, I think that's what's unique here to Carvana."
This means a big dealership company that’s owned by investors and listed on the stock market. The host is asking whether those large groups might start making cars themselves instead of only selling them.
A publicly traded dealer group is a company that owns multiple car dealerships and whose shares trade on public markets. The host is using the term to discuss whether these large, investor-owned dealer businesses might try to move upstream into manufacturing their own products.
manufacturer of product
"So, do you think, then, that perhaps every large publicly traded dealer group will become its own manufacturer of product as well? No, I think that's what's unique here to Carvana."
The host is talking about a dealership company going beyond selling cars and trying to make cars (or its own branded offerings). It’s a big business-model change, not just a new way to advertise.
“Manufacturer of product” here means a dealer group moving beyond selling cars to actually producing vehicles or vehicle-branded offerings. The host frames it as a strategic shift that could happen if disruptive retailers like Carvana change customer expectations and pricing power.
Penske
"No, I don't think Penske is going to come out and say, now we're selling what's another Slate Auto, you know, I don't think that's... Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that because when Saturn went under, Penske was in negotiations to take over Saturn and become the manufacturer of Saturn. So, this is something that Penske explored in the early 2000s when Saturn was shuttered."
Penske is a big business in the auto world. The host is bringing up Penske’s history to suggest that large companies sometimes look at making their own products, not just selling cars.
Penske is referenced here as a major automotive-related business group that has explored manufacturing-related moves in the past. The host uses Penske’s historical involvement with Saturn negotiations to argue that big players may consider becoming manufacturers when market conditions change.
Saturn
"Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that because when Saturn went under, Penske was in negotiations to take over Saturn and become the manufacturer of Saturn. So, this is something that Penske explored in the early 2000s when Saturn was shuttered."
Saturn was a car brand that eventually got shut down. The host is using it as an example of how big companies sometimes try to step in when a brand collapses.
Saturn was a GM brand that was discontinued (“shuttered”) after financial and market pressures. The host mentions Saturn to illustrate that major companies have previously negotiated to take over a failing automaker and continue it as a manufacturer.
buying public
"Manufacturers, for the most part, have gotten out of hand when it comes to what it is they've decided to build and how it is they've decided to price it. And they have taken the vast majority of the buying public out of being buyers. So, I mean, we talk about it all the time, you know, they're selling vehicles to 13 to 15% of the population out there."
This just means the general group of people who might want to buy cars. The host is saying current pricing and choices make it so most people feel like they can’t realistically buy.
“Buying public” refers to the overall population of potential car shoppers. The host argues that traditional manufacturers have priced and packaged vehicles in a way that excludes most people from being able to buy, leaving only a small fraction actively purchasing.
13 to 15% of the population
"So, I mean, we talk about it all the time, you know, they're selling vehicles to 13 to 15% of the population out there. Slate would appeal to the other 87 to 85% of the population that feels as if they can't participate."
The host is throwing out a rough number: they claim only a small slice of people (around 13–15%) are actually buying cars. The argument is that the rest feel left out, so a new approach could capture that bigger group.
The host provides a market-participation estimate, claiming manufacturers sell vehicles to only about 13–15% of the population. This is used to argue that most people are priced out or otherwise excluded, and that a different retail approach could reach the remaining majority.
General Motors
"you could take Stalantis, General Motors, you could take Ford, you can combine their market values and it still won't add up to Carvana's market value..."
General Motors is a major old-line car manufacturer. In this clip, it’s mentioned because the hosts are comparing company sizes and market values.
General Motors (GM) is one of the largest legacy automakers in the U.S. The segment cites GM’s market value as part of a comparison meant to show how Carvana’s valuation stands out versus traditional manufacturers.
Stalantis
"Yes, but my suspicion would be is that you could take Stalantis, General Motors, you could take Ford, you can combine their market values and it still won't add up to Carvana's market value..."
This sounds like the speaker is talking about Stellantis, a big car company. They’re comparing the size of traditional automakers to Carvana’s influence in the car-buying market.
The speaker appears to mean Stellantis, the automaker formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group. Here, it’s referenced alongside other legacy automakers to argue that even the combined scale of traditional manufacturers still doesn’t match Carvana’s market valuation.
Ford
"you could take Stalantis, General Motors, you could take Ford, you can combine their market values and it still won't add up to Carvana's market value..."
Ford is a big car company. The hosts bring it up to compare how valuable traditional automakers are versus Carvana.
Ford is a major legacy automaker referenced here as part of the comparison against Carvana. The hosts use Ford’s market value to argue that even large traditional automakers may need to rethink how they sell cars.
direct to consumer
"There's legislation in many states for manufacturers to sell direct to consumer. There are companies like Carvana, which have historically been just used car dealers..."
“Direct to consumer” means the car is sold straight to you, not through a traditional dealer network. The hosts say laws in some states are making this easier, which can change how car buying works.
“Direct to consumer” (DTC) means manufacturers sell cars straight to buyers rather than routing sales through independent dealer networks. The segment ties this to state legislation, arguing it enables new business models like Carvana’s to grow and pressure legacy dealer-based systems.
Amazon
"You've got Amazon playing a role in the auto space, not doing a ton and nothing necessarily that innovative to you and I, but it's Amazon for goodness sake."
Amazon is referenced as a non-traditional player trying to influence the auto space. The segment suggests Amazon has a role in car buying, but not necessarily as innovative as Carvana’s approach.
root insurance
"Carvana also plays already in the insurance space with the root insurance. So like, I don't know, I can just see the whole world of car buying changing materially here."
Root Insurance is an insurance company mentioned as part of Carvana’s business. The hosts are saying Carvana is expanding beyond selling cars into related services like insurance.
Root Insurance is an insurance brand referenced as part of Carvana’s broader ecosystem. The point is that Carvana isn’t only selling cars—it’s also involved in related services like insurance, which can make the overall buying experience more integrated.
AI agent
"think you forgot to mention one other company. And that would be CarEdge with their AI agent ability [572.7s] to be able to shop on behalf of people."
An AI agent is like a smart assistant that can do tasks for you. In this case, it’s meant to help with car shopping—finding options and helping you move through the process.
An AI agent is software that can take actions toward a goal, not just answer questions. Here, it’s described as being able to “shop on behalf of people,” meaning it would search, compare, and potentially coordinate steps in the buying process.
CarEdge
"think you forgot to mention one other company. And that would be CarEdge with their AI agent ability [572.7s] to be able to shop on behalf of people."
CarEdge is a company that’s trying to use AI to help you shop for a car. Instead of you doing all the searching and comparing, the AI agent helps do that work for you.
CarEdge is discussed as a company using an AI agent to shop on behalf of customers. In this context, the key idea is automating parts of the car-shopping workflow (finding and comparing vehicles) rather than just listing inventory.
disruptors
"So yes, Carvana and Slate could be disruptors or disruptors. [603.5s] Yeah, yeah, they are."
A “disruptor” is something new that shakes up an industry. In this segment, it means companies that could change the usual dealership-style way of buying cars.
A “disruptor” is a company or technology that changes an industry by offering a new way to do something. Here, the host uses it to describe Carvana and Slate as potentially changing how cars are bought and sold.
deposit
"it's talking about this guy, Josh, [635.2s] who swore off ever buying a Dodge product again because he lost his $500 deposit and had a few [642.3s] bad experiences at their franchise dealership."
A deposit is money you pay upfront to hold something or start a deal. In car shopping, it can be used to reserve a car, and losing it can be a big deal for buyers.
A deposit is money paid upfront to reserve a purchase or secure a deal. In car buying, deposits can be tied to a specific vehicle or transaction, and the host’s anecdote highlights how losing a deposit can sour a buyer’s trust.
franchise dealership
"it's talking about this guy, Josh, [635.2s] who swore off ever buying a Dodge product again because he lost his $500 deposit and had a few [642.3s] bad experiences at their franchise dealership."
A franchise dealership is a traditional car store that sells a specific brand’s cars under an agreement with the manufacturer. The segment uses it to explain why some buyers may be unhappy with the usual dealership experience.
A franchise dealership is a retailer that sells vehicles under a manufacturer’s brand agreement. The host contrasts these traditional dealer experiences with Carvana’s online model, using a customer story about bad experiences at a franchise dealership.
Dodge
"it's talking about this guy, Josh, [635.2s] who swore off ever buying a Dodge product again because he lost his $500 deposit and had a few [642.3s] bad experiences at their franchise dealership."
Dodge is a car brand. In this story, the host mentions it because the buyer had a bad experience related to trying to buy a Dodge.
Dodge is an American automotive brand referenced in the Wall Street Journal anecdote. The host uses it to illustrate a buyer’s negative experience after losing a deposit tied to a Dodge purchase attempt.
Jeep
"He then bought a Jeep from a Carvana dealership [649.4s] a thousand miles away."
Jeep is a car brand. In the segment, the buyer switches to a Jeep after a bad experience with a different brand and ends up buying through Carvana.
Jeep is a vehicle brand referenced as the model line the buyer ultimately purchased from Carvana. The anecdote is used to show how online retailers can win customers even after prior brand-specific or dealer-specific disappointments.
Toyota
"and are those vehicles going to be similar, Dad, [676.9s] to what Toyota did when they first came to this country in the 60s? Simple vehicles, [682.3s] get you from point A to point B."
Toyota is a major car brand. The host is using it as an example from the 1960s to compare how a new approach can start simple and still change the market.
Toyota is referenced as an example of a brand that entered the U.S. market with simpler, straightforward vehicles. The host uses this as an analogy for how a new shopping model could start with “simple vehicles” and still have big disruptive impact.
customizing
"And then you, as the customer, can start adding things and customizing it any way you want. But the initial pricing of it is going to be so relatively inexpensive to its competitors..."
Here, “customizing” just means choosing options or changes for the car to match what you want. The point being made is that the base car stays affordable, but you can still personalize it.
In this context, “customizing” means adding options or changing the vehicle’s configuration after the base product is offered. The host frames it as a way to let buyers personalize the car while keeping the initial purchase price low.
Ford Bronco
"... It's not like you're going to start and become a Bronco Philson, okay? If you can run a slate vehicle up ..."
The Ford Bronco is a type of SUV designed to handle rough roads and off-road trails. It’s made for drivers who want a vehicle that can go beyond normal pavement. It may be mentioned in the context of how much it costs or how capable it is.
The Ford Bronco is a rugged SUV built for off-road driving, with a focus on capability and trail-ready features. It’s often discussed because it’s a modern throwback to classic off-road styling while still being practical for everyday use. In a podcast, it may come up when talking about pricing, availability, or how well it performs for people who actually use it beyond city streets.
Mini
"And when I was at Mini, the whole concept about Mini is that you can make Mini yours in the sense that there's like a million different ways to build a Mini between an interior, paint colors, this and that."
Mini is used as an example of a brand that leans into personalization—offering many choices for things like interior and paint so buyers can “make Mini yours.” The host contrasts that approach with most manufacturers’ more fixed option sets.
mass market
"shows, at least in my mind, that this system, as we know it, is broken, which is something we've been screaming about forever for, I don't know, like six years, as to how do you change the system so that it isn't broken and it's more appealing to the mass market out there."
Mass market just means regular, everyday car buyers—not a small group of enthusiasts. The hosts are saying the current system doesn’t work well for those mainstream shoppers.
The mass market refers to mainstream buyers rather than niche enthusiasts or luxury customers. The hosts argue the current dealership/distribution system is “broken” because it doesn’t serve mainstream shoppers well, and that Carvana/Slate may offer a better path sooner.
Blackbook data
"Yeah, I do think that's part of the equation here, but it is interesting. I know the Blackbook data [1301.5s] shows the Slate decline and use car prices. Yeah, but the Cox Automotive Mannheim data [1307.0s] shows prices up just a little bit."
Black Book is a company that provides pricing information for cars. In this discussion, they’re used to support claims about whether used-car prices are changing.
Black Book is an automotive pricing and valuation data provider used by dealers and industry professionals. The segment references its data to argue about trends in used-car prices and inventory behavior.
Cox Automotive Mannheim data
"Yeah, I do think that's part of the equation here, but it is interesting. I know the Blackbook data [1301.5s] shows the Slate decline and use car prices. Yeah, but the Cox Automotive Mannheim data [1307.0s] shows prices up just a little bit."
Cox Automotive is a company that tracks car-market data. Here, they’re being cited to show what’s happening to car prices and inventory levels.
Cox Automotive is a major auto-industry data and services company, and the "Mannheim" reference points to its vehicle pricing and inventory analytics. In this segment, the host uses it as evidence about whether used-car prices are actually rising or falling.
market day supply
"Even the Blackbook data shows that the market day supply [1315.5s] and days to turn. I think days to turn, which is how long it takes an average dealer to turn [1322.9s] their inventory, is 33 days, which is nothing."
"Market day supply" is a way to measure how many cars are available compared to how fast they’re selling. If there are lots of cars sitting around, it can push prices down; if cars are scarce, prices tend to stay higher.
"Market day supply" is an estimate of how many days of inventory the market has relative to current sales pace. More supply than demand can pressure prices downward, while tight supply can keep prices elevated.
days to turn
"Even the Blackbook data shows that the market day supply [1315.5s] and days to turn. I think days to turn, which is how long it takes an average dealer to turn [1322.9s] their inventory, is 33 days, which is nothing."
"Days to turn" is basically how many days it takes a car dealer to sell the cars sitting on their lot. If it takes a long time, it usually means sales are slower and dealers may have to adjust prices.
"Days to turn" is a dealer-inventory metric that estimates how long it takes an average dealership to sell through its current stock. If cars take longer to sell (higher days to turn), it can signal weaker demand or inventory imbalances that affect pricing.
buy here, pay here
"Carvana is not in the business selling cars. They're in the business of selling loans. [1359.6s] They're aiming to be the ultimate buy here, pay here of the internet. [1363.6s] Well, yes. I've said it before, pun intended, the vehicle that they use to be able to sell [1370.2s] loans is well-selling vehicles."
"Buy here, pay here" (often abbreviated as BHPH) is a financing model where the seller finances the purchase directly and collects payments from the buyer. It’s commonly used for customers who may not qualify for traditional bank or credit-union auto loans.
on the lot for 165 days
"Talked to my local Mazda dealer. They have a car that's been on the lot for 165 days and would only budge 300 bucks off the price I laughed."
“Days on the lot” means how long a car has been sitting at the dealership without being sold. If it’s been there a long time, it often means the price or demand isn’t great, and that can open the door to a better deal.
“Days on the lot” is a measure of how long a specific vehicle sits unsold at a dealership. Longer days on the lot can indicate weaker demand, pricing that’s too high, or simply timing—dealers may eventually become more flexible to move inventory.
budge 300 bucks off the price
"They have a car that's been on the lot for 165 days and would only budge 300 bucks off the price I laughed."
They’re talking about how much the dealer would lower the price. Even though the car had been sitting for a long time, the discount was only about $300.
“Budge” here refers to how much a dealer is willing to reduce the asking price during negotiation. The host is highlighting that even after months of inventory, the dealer’s discount is small, which can frustrate shoppers trying to leverage time-on-lot as bargaining power.
not more negotiable
"I do think it's surprising that there are these vehicles that sit for months on months and not more negotiable. I will. Seemingly."
They mean the dealer wasn’t willing to lower the price much, even though the car had been sitting. Sometimes you’d expect a bigger discount, but the dealer still won’t move.
This is about dealership pricing behavior—specifically, the idea that some cars remain “not more negotiable” even when they’ve been sitting for months. It suggests that inventory aging alone doesn’t always translate into bigger discounts, because dealers may have other pricing constraints or demand signals.
Unsold 25 days and over 200 days
"The best used cars are Unsold 25. Unsold 25 days and over 200 days. Wait, here we go."
This is a way of grouping cars by how long they’ve been sitting unsold. The longer a car sits, the more likely it is the dealer may eventually offer a better price to get it sold.
“Unsold 25” and “over 200 days” are inventory-age cutoffs used to categorize vehicles that have been sitting without selling. The implication is that older unsold inventory can create more opportunity for discounts, because the dealer wants to reduce stale stock.
2025 Bronco Sport Top Trim
"2026 is currently you can buy a 2025 Bronco Sport Top Trim for the price of a 2026 BS lowest trim. That would be Bronco Sport lowest trim. Bronco Sport lowest trim."
The Ford Bronco Sport is a small SUV. Here they’re saying you can sometimes pay the price of a cheaper version of a newer model, but get a higher trim on the previous year.
The Ford Bronco Sport is a compact SUV built for off-road capability and rugged styling, but it’s also a practical daily driver. In this segment, the host is talking about a pricing comparison where a 2025 Bronco Sport “top trim” is being sold for the price of a lower-trim 2026 model.
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