Cheap Cars are Going Extinct. Doug Calls Out the Purists! CyberTruck Success?

hello and welcome to this car pod I'm

back in the studio along with Nick and

fifo Ken is out of town Ken has gone to

Ohio and and to prove that yesterday he

texted me a picture of a Dodge Viper

which is what they have in Ohio and so

we are here and we are going to carry on

the podcast without him let's start with

the

news there's an auto Zam

okay this was a topic over the summer

the state of Massachusetts the

Commonwealth of Massachusetts uh it

right said that K cars were no longer

legal to register Massachusetts isn't

the only state that's done this North

Carolina did it Texas did it main

Georgia it's been a problem it's been an

issue and there was an outcry in

Massachusetts and they have reversed

their position K cars are now Rel legal

to register but they say that they've

reversed their position temporarily

while they take a look at it the K car

ban is interesting I think because

they're just trying to protect people

from themselves right the K cars don't

cause any potential harm to others right

quite quite a quite the opposite in fact

yeah the the rationale is that they're

not safe enough of course every C in

massachusett that's more than 10 years

old is Rusted through and it's therefore

also not not safe well they have a

pretty strict safety inspection I I it's

an interesting thing that has that has

happened this whole Banning of K cars

thing which has really kind of swept

what happened was the American

Association of Motor Vehicle

administrators issued a guidance that

DMVs should start Banning K cars not

imported cars just K cars they're too

small the problem the DMVs are not

sophisticated enough to understand what

is a k car and what isn't a k car and

adding the step of having like the RMV

in this case worker go outside with you

and like examine the spe the sizing a

lot of them are just like if it's a

short Vin Japanese Vin we're just not

going to accept it and so that's what a

lot of them have done but Massachusetts

has reversed it stand and that was the

the fears that it was a slippery slope

all JDM Cars and the skylines also

getting shot I think some of us and I'm

not going to name names but some of us

were kind of like K

cars but it is a slippery slope because

then Massachusetts apparently refused to

register at Skyline thinking that it had

a short bin it's a Japanese car it's

part of the edict that makes you kind of

worried but was also interesting like in

Georgia they revoked titles they revoked

titles which which is interesting did

that too like okay you had a car you

imported legally you got it titled in

the state legally and then all of a

sudden you can't legally drive it was it

was concerning from typical government

you know that everybody a bunch of BS

red tape that and they and a lack of

understanding on their part um but there

is I think a reasonable argument that

Kars are kind of scary things but the

people are taking on the the the risk

themselves unless maybe it's a passenger

who doesn't realiz I mean that's the

argument I guess they would make it it

doesn't make any sense to me what about

motorcycles what about three-wheelers

like it's no less are they going to ban

uh what is it called KTM Expos now what

are those ridiculous fre wheelers that

you like the polar slingshot polar

slingshot I'm more of a Morgan guy but

point taken right he likes the automatic

slingshot go back to your 60s cars

people are allowed to drive those on the

road like good Lu you get in an accident

that's a great point and and so it's

kind of silly to just make an arbitrary

decision especially because the federal

government has already made a decision

which is the cars can't come over until

they're 25 years old that's a safety

requirement um is it I well this this is

a whole other topic that I don't that we

don't need to get into right now safety

it is for it is it is for it is it is a

protectionist thing for automakers not

just one automaker but many automakers

but it's in theory it's a safety thing

like the car once they're 25 years old

it's a collectible car you can import it

cuz you're Enthusiast um as opposed to

importing a non-conforming car from

Indonesia that it is also true when you

look at it this is all recent right 10

years ago nobody was really importing

that many cars from and now there's a

lot we we sell a lot on cars and bids

there's a lot that are kind of flowing

in yeah as cheap cars right save the

small cars we want to bring an Asmar

signate to the states ASAP that is true

and this is a thre how many years do you

have to wait 10 uh came out something

that and then you have to import it from

mono the documents will be in French H

they're all in mon does Disney make

Massachusetts your favorite Commonwealth

uh no Kentucky remains my favorite

Commonwealth okay next topic Jaguar

speaking of commonwealths Jaguar our

favorite luxury brand and by that I mean

I think we mean our least favorite

luxury brand what's worse Mazerati EXs

hey hey hey hey hey Jaguar has decided

to take a a year off of car sales like a

like a kid who's just finished grueling

four years at Harvard they wanted to

build houses in Costa Rica take a year

off before they entering the job market

where where's Jaguar building houses

Jaguar is not going to build houses

they're just going to take a bit of a

sabatical now this is odd because this

is a company that employs

people they didn't say they were going

to take a year off that's been distorted

they said they were going to take some

some time off and they also said that

they were basically it's in recognition

of they have a lot of new car in theory

they have a lot of new cars that are

coming that are in development they're

taking a year off of sales cuz their

inventory's aged do we know what these

new cars are they're all electric

because Jaguar wants to go completely

electric now I do want to say one thing

the real reason they're taking the year

off is because they have built up so

much inventory of dealers that nobody

wants to buy it's going to take them

that long to sell the remaining ey Paces

even though they're offering half off to

buy one get one free ipce it's going to

be thrilling in 2026 to buy a 2023 ipace

brand new y

upy punched two and a half years

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ago I mean like it's good to just be

honest if you don't have any of cars to

sell you have nothing new your dealers

hate you

already is definitely the most tarnished

brand currently like they're in really

tough shape go out and talk to some

Chrysler dealers Chrysler mini there's

some tough Brands but Jaguar the fpace

was the only desirable car even though

even then they only leased them at good

lease deals every time you saw one you

knew it was someone leasing at 20 2.0T

model for whatever they could get it at

the door I believe it was 200t but it's

okay so they're trying to 25t they're

trying to Rebrand and refigure this

whole thing out now the good thing for

Jaguar dealers is that they also have

Land Rover and therefore they make a lot

of money on service claims virtually all

Jaguar dealers though not all but almost

all have a Land Rover dealer as well and

so that brand has been doing

fantastically and continues to do

fantastically they can't they can't get

them out the door fast enough they still

are Supply constrainted and so one could

make the argument maybe we don't need

Jaguar Jaguar's got to be the brand with

the highest and most desirable name

recognition and the least people who

actually like the the gulf between name

recognition and Des like purchasing it's

like Aston Martin and jaguar are the two

right like everybody thinks they're cool

nobody really is going to buy one yeah

so true I'm trying to think of what

would it take like what lease deal would

I need to get on an eace to buy an eace

eace yeah which is not the electric one

right just so you know an ipace it would

have to be like free is ipace for sale

that's a good I mean there's still used

or new ipac are there still I don't know

if there were oh there's phip I mean

that car is going to be a dealer lots

for the next decade the fleet sales

manager is going to have a good good

quarter yeah the next time I go start to

local governments for parking meter re

enforcement be good light CED vehicle do

you know San Diego is using Mustang ma

for parking re enforcements I'm excited

to the next time I go to Enterprise or

Herz to rent a an fpace for the cost of

a new it is the the brand Prestige they

had the xj2 20 the E type which is

arguably one of the most beautiful cars

in the world xk110

the Jaguar XKR personal favorite they

had a lot of good things going for them

but you just it's they're at a price

point where it's very competitive and

and cars cars kind of turned on them

right like their their whole brand was

based in these luxury cars Y and the

market switched to SUVs which

fortunately they had in Land Rover and

so they were able to kind of make it

make it up there but like the XJ which

was our whole lives has been full one of

the most yeah totally and now it's it's

gone I it canceled it years ago and

there's just not a lot of demand I

actually think that the F Type the SUV

like was good looking when it came out

it whatever F something well there's

your problem fair point though but I

mean it should have been a Cayenne

competitor I think they could have done

something with it so it's a beautiful

SUV yeah but it kind of languished it

languished every Jaguar product and in

theory there we see a lot of new ones

and in a year from now they'll be in a

great position to sell new inventory

know I wish they would come out with

some of those electric uh concept cars

they used to Jaguar every year or two

would come out with a concept car that

didn't have like seats that's what I'm

looking for feels it feels very much

like the British Cadillac that's just

kind of lost it

way was really that but now it's CAC

British C or British Lincoln maybe

either one either one is a good has any

brand ever done this and come back Tak a

year off oh no it's not a common uh

tactic so they don't have the odds in

their favor I would was the last Jaguar

press C that you've had like like what

was the last C that was new enough that

they could convince you to accept their

press car I don't know that Jag ever

sent me a press car that's a good

question XE I I had no I never had an XE

I I went to Jag dealers I think that was

it cuz I did the IP and well the best

Jag of all time XF shooting break no

although I saw one of those I do love

those I saw those rural middle of

Country driving on the freeway the best

Jag ever recent car

XE Project 8 remember that yes yes yes a

car had 9,000 horsepower the side of it

was a leaping cat it didn't have back

seats and it had a wing the size of

these bookcases it looked like it was

ready to go race imsa like did it was so

cool and I don't know where they all

went I've never seen one except for the

one I

reviewed yeah sad well I don't think

they made money no cuz there was no

interest or demand rest in peace Jaguar

rip Jaguar they'll be back they're just

taking we're taking it's an

interesting company window crank window

crank for the users for people that are

watching that are under the age of 15

you don't you've never seen one of these

before no no Nick well no they they have

if they have a Jeep Wrangler there oh

nice although I was before you get into

that there are great like memes of like

vines or I guess reals now of like what

do different Generations do for

different Motions like for picking up a

phone it's no longer the it's like

swiping on an iPhone and for rolling

down a window it's like holding down a

button for all of us it's it was

cranking CR anyway the reason this comes

up is because the very last crank window

car is gone the jeeper Wrangler I was

actually thinking about this because I'm

in a Nissan kicks press car right now

and it has four automatic down Windows

wow and that used to be like a big

selling point right like rear Auto down

only the lexuses had that not the

Toyotas um but like power wind probably

the cost to make a crank window version

of the door panel and a power window

version of the door panel has just

gotten it's just stupid it's so cheap

and it's so uqu 7 years ago I had a Fiat

Panda press car or not a rental car that

still had rear uh in Europe there are

definitely still window cars but in the

US you've lost your chance you lost your

chance except for of course the many you

know what I find funny about this

everybody complains about the death of

the manual transmission nobody is

standing up about the manual window

where are the purists where are the

purists I'm surprised that the uh 9911

STS and the lightweight versions of cars

they have your little Loop because the

door handle would be too heavy but a

power window bring them back that's one

of my all time favorite things about

those cars the enthusiasts oh we have a

door Loop cuz we're trying to save

weight but you have a navigation system

you have dual zone automatic climate

control and all those guys go around

talking about how hard core they are

meanwhile cuz I got a door Loop

meanwhile they're the bucket seats

meanwhile they got a they got a nav

system they got Auto up window yeah and

then a power and a power window of

course it's probably lighter to have a

power window than the like a nice heavy

crank yeah but we're talking about

Simplicity here we're purists about this

should we pick it I will say I have a

car which we'll talk about later that

has a broken window regulator and I

wouldn't have minded if it's manual cuz

right now I got to use two hands yes and

shimmy it back up every time it falls

down that's right that's the thing

manual window that never broke in the

words of lotus and their their $200,000

SUV let's simplify and add lightness

bring back the manual CR this is a new

story we didn't put on our thing what we

should do so the elotus elri elra rral

yeah uh

is one of these cars that is subject to

this China EV Tariff of 100% so it's it

cost 200 Grand now right 200 when I

reviewed it and I thought it was a

pretty good vehicle it wasn't a Lotus

really but it was like a good SUV

honestly and it looks good and it drives

well and it has it had a 105 base they

just came out with the first edition

which they're calling like the carbon

Edition and it's got like a 195 base or

something o well it's when you double

the price started goodbye Lotus isn't

that wild so they're screwed

yeah but they were always screwed so

it's like but maybe they'll be really

successful with the the European market

does Tesla build EVS in China for the US

market probably only for the Chinese

market it is such a shame kenan's not

here to do a a China Trump impression

right now on this such great TR

Impressions yeah but he's in Ohio where

everybody feels that way okay next next

one wait can I say one other thing about

the Jeep Wrangler yeah could bue

automatic V6 Wrangler so are they all

four cylinders now no so you you can get

a manual V6 Wrangler still yeah I know

that you can get the V8 for one more

year I think think the

V8 the 392 and you can get the uh 4X the

V8 Wrangler is the subtlest flex in the

car business yep like he is he didn't

know until 2 minutes ago that they made

one no you when you it giant 392 badge

and he knew where on the side it's dual

exhaust that's the only way you can tell

it's also loud and it rumbles it does

Rumble I think there's also a regular

Forest owner that's not 4 by but I can't

remember you know what's weird about the

4 by Wranglers cuz they're all over n

and I was listening to Blue uh to to you

know what's weird they make this whistle

sound that is unbelievably

annoying it's it's different than other

EV sounds it's like a whistle and it's

like shut

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next news story which is a big one this

is a big deal Nick I want to hear your

thoughts you want another news story or

you got it it's a Mitsubishi correct if

I had to guess it's it's it's orange on

orange which is one of the problems with

this vehicle the the the the the the

interior is certainly black no it's gray

they only did one the wheels have orange

this is a Mitsubishi Mirage yeah or if

you wanted the sedan version The Mirage

G4 G uh it will not exist in 2025 the

2024 is the final year of the Missi

Mirage and you know what that means

there's only one new car under 20K one

more new car under 20K you know what it

is because this was the cheapest car on

sale it was now to be fair do you know

what that one new car is uh Nissan Versa

of course although you can get a leaf I

bet

for with the with the MSRP is under 20K

okay and leaf msrps are not as cheap as

they should be yeah but like you go into

a Nissan you got a pulse you're walking

out at 14 you can also get an ARA which

is their midsize electric car for

probably 20 um so the Mirage is gone now

the Mirage you know I I had a review of

it that was not particularly positive

about seven years ago and nothing has

changed nothing has changed you know

people are going to blame me for the

death of this car and they already have

I've gotten some angry tweets really

yeah but the thing is it was the car has

been on the market 10 years like that's

a product life cycle and they didn't

want to update it and I'm sure there's

changing regulations that are like kill

it can I tell you a very interesting

thing in some markets the Mitsubishi

Mirage is sold as the Dodge attitude did

you know that no but that's phenomenal

here's the best part I swear to God what

I'm about to tell you is true in some

other

markets the Mitsubishi Mirage the Dodge

attitude the Mitsubishi version is sold

as the

atrage Google it the atrage a

combination of attitude and Mirage in

one word I swear to

you I am not making this up and I assume

the car is not going away in like

Southeast like I

another Market just in the US it'll be

gone and maybe Canada I drove one of

these to the highest point in Thailand

how about that um out of curiosity do do

2024 models still have the Hideous

backup camera yeah of course well the

car is ready to be dead it's ready to be

dead it was a trash car it is sad that

there's nothing under 20 grand but it's

not surprising no I mean it's very

difficult in today's like Regulatory and

um production cost environment it's very

difficult to make a profit on a carice

what we should be talking about is

there's been a few cars in the last last

year that are in the low 20s that are

surprising the Buick and Vista the

Nissan kicks that just came out which

seems good which I assume is low 20s the

Chevy tracks yep there's bad options

it's been surprising to me that

especially General Motors has kind of

gone back into this because Ford kind of

pulled out of this seg P out en and was

like we can't make money on street cars

which I think is reasonable I mean Honda

the Honda Fit was popular and Honda was

still like doing this for practice Grand

in 2012 well the only way you do make

money is through volume and the volume

couldn't have been here for this so do

we feel bad for Mitsubishi dealers they

they only can sell the

Outlander I actually think the Outlander

looks nice and is like a good price

point it's quite popular in other

markets like you go to Europe and there

are some European markets that must

heavily incentivize and like it's one of

the only plugin SUVs I would buy an

Outlander yeah me too you walk around

Amsterdam it's like all Outlanders and

like' 70s Cadillac but it's the only

Mitsubishi for sale in the US I think um

what about the eclipse cross oh I'm I

legitimately forgot about the eclipse

cross well done um well done all right

goodbye Mirage we will Nick aren't you

sad about this as a

purist no okay all right move on to the

next um cyber this I'm sad about that it

exists just the the existence of the

cybertruck makes me sad cyber truck is a

new story because it's been selling

selling well so the a lot of

Manufacturers no longer report out sales

on a monthly basis so we're a little bit

delayed in this news story CU not

because not everybody reports at the

same time we don't have final numbers

but there was analysis done recently

that showed that Tesla sold something

like 5,000 cyber trucks in July alone

which is approximately the same as a

total number of other EV pickup trucks

so if you combine the riban r t the four

lightning the Sado EV that has sold zero

especially in July uh I saw Wasing had a

Silverado e nice nice and the Hummer e

pickup sold fewer combined than the

Cyber truck okay look there's only one

impressive thing in this but go ahead

here's my analysis yep

okay

um this is new those are all Next Top

also the biggest surprise here is not

that it's sold that many although 5,000

cyber trucks is not a small number of

cyber trucks it's that they built that

many yeah and also they were all

Foundation series which was in theory

limited to the first I love this

thousand the foundation

series is still it's it's now all of

2024 regular production it's all 204

model year maybe more we we've got a lot

of we sell a fair number of cyber trucks

and for a long time we would put like

Foundation series in the like subtitle

and like limited edition or whatever and

we would also refer to the exoskeleton

cuz Tesla did every like couple weeks

they update their website and they

remove references so it used to be that

the foundation series on their website

was limited edition first xunit they've

removed that to be limited to the 2024

model year and I think now it says

something even vaguer what uh what do we

think about the wiland diesel cybertruck

uh durability T oh wow we're going back

months of news here I got to tell you it

was the greatest thing I saw this whole

summer yeah

part two is coming soon apparently what

did you think about that uh I mean the

whole bumper issue was like pretty

interesting I thought he was brilliant

to compare it against the F-150

Lightning regular regular F150 but

either way like I

I it's really hard to like the Cyber Tru

and like that to me like like was just

another nail in the coffin for the Cyber

truck in terms of like actual people who

are on the internet and thought it was

cool initially the Tesla Twitter people

freaked out you didn't do this right you

didn't do that right it was like

laughable but some I think they're

really concerning like if you don't hook

up your toeb bar I'm I'm going to go out

on a Lim here I'm going to go out on Lim

here I think the Cyber truck's stupid I

think I think the Cyber truck's kind of

cool I think a lot of the people who buy

them are kind of edit get ready to cut

this please as it Forest short so we can

publicize it but um the the bum the

thing that was with the with the steel

and the it didn't really bother me it it

it's it's only concerning cuz it could a

legitimate safety hazard and there are

standards for how happen I mean like

this is one of my when the video came

out there were other people that said I

was Towing once or twice but customers

will do anything like there is nothing a

person people can't do once the public

has a vehicle that's what we learned at

por I but like you you need if you say

it's rated to tow a certain amount you

need to be able to actually with no

one's towing with an EV pickup that's a

bad choice I but he didn't break it

while Towing that's the thing he broke

no but he broke it in a way that is

realistic to recreate you mean dropping

it on a steel I on on a cement block

you're towing something you go over a

large pothole like it needs to be

connected with it's a specific way and I

think that the FAE has recommendations

around how like what kind there's a lot

of problems with the Cy truck the towing

thing is a Min being able to peel off

the the pillar trim the window trim what

you think with the situation it's

supposed to be this indestructible like

Ro truck and then like whatever like a

Lego cat so laughable the people who

drive them think they're the coolest

roughest and you can yeah it's it's like

a child going back to the news story

don't you feel like them cherry picking

June to say it was good they had a stop

sale the month before because of the

pedals and they had three years of

reservations like of course it had a

good month you might be right that

there's some cherry picking there but

the point still stands I mean rivan is

just out there trying to sell trucks and

they ain't selling at this level and the

lightning which was the hottest thing in

the world when it came out what happened

to that and the hum V they they're

moving to a month anyway the point is

the Cyber truck regardless whether it's

CHP picking or not is selling I'm

curious to see like a year or the first

24 months or something that'll kind of

be a real indicator and we'll have

better data at the end of the quarter so

end of September when other

manufacturers also report out I'll tell

you something when rivan was hot it also

out sold all the other EV trucks that

weren't light when lightning was hot so

we just got to figure out you know is

this early people who are excited

Tesla's real problem is going to be are

there still going to be excited people

right after 2 years of this truck when

you can buy used ones for 75 60 prices

have

plummeted to their credit they're

delivering trucks which is what they

need to be doing have you noticed that

most that you see are wrapped well

they're wrapped because it's impossible

to take care of the stainless Ste yeah

so it's cool I think the stainless steel

is the coolest look I think when it's

wrapped it doesn't really look all that

cool anymore you kind of lose a lot of

the appeal um there's a guy that wrapped

it stainless steel yeah so that it was

easier to maintain while retaining the

look but my my question is I feel like

EV pickups in general have had a bad rap

like hovies review of towing with the

lightning that made the rounds on the

the new Cycles this besides the the

damage it's doing to the Tesla brand

might be also spoiling EV pickups in

general cuz everyone's just going to say

I don't want I need a pickup and the

Cyber truck is yet another example that

the EV pickups aren't capable of being

actual I agree with you and and and I

was thinking about that with Fisker like

I've talked to people a bunch of people

my neighbors a sumai were asking me

about rivan and they're like but I'm I'm

worried that it might fail like Fisker

and that's the same thing that you're

talking about like oh this this EV

pickup truck is stupid aren't they all

stupid um one EV that gets in people's

Minds you start to it starts to like

permeate the other one so I think it's a

loss I agree with you I think it's a

loss for all the EVS when one of them

looks like it's poorly built and trashy

and do what it's supposed to do that's

why I feel bad that Toyota has sold any

bz Forex it's really setting a bad

foundation for on the road today I was

in the Countach I knew that person

wouldn't look over at the

Countach all right all right next one

Nick what do you got all right it's a

resident Pro modification uh guy here on

the the podcast uh cob tuning got a

pretty big fine like close to 3 million

bucks for helping hundreds of thousands

of people quote unquote cheat diesel

regulations through their Tunes um it

apparently made it so that they could

get through Smog or whatever their

equivalent was through their like access

port yeah everyone saying it's it's well

it's a big fine to like you or I like

that' be a lot of money to Cobb it's not

enough that it's going to end them but

it is interesting

that diesel the the EPA has really

cracked down on diesel I have a question

about this cheating is diesel just done

then because it seems to me like

Volkswagen we all knew Volkswagen was

the was the big one right and they got

hit with this thing it was a big part of

their whole brand identity en they had

gone away from hybrids and electrics and

focus on diesels um and then they sto

right um the ram that had a diesel the

Mercedes with diesels they have all gone

away because they were all using defeat

dices let's be honest yeah

um no I mean other ones got if weren

penalized here they were penalized in

Europe for that same thing is diesel

just done the only cars used in diesel

like the the big SUVs and the big

full-size trucks but I'm not sure

they're subject to the same regulations

a lot of over are generally not subject

to any like the Yukon has a diesel and

like the Ram 3500 and stuff you can oh

yeah you can still get that you can

still get but but that's the same kind

of thing right it's such a big vehicle

that I'm not sure it has to deal with so

like is the rest of it done is there a

diesel Wrangler anymore like is this is

this over I I think it's over and

primarily I think it's over because the

EU changed a lot yeah a lot of diesel uh

reaching people was because the EU had

like there was a bunch of incentives

that fundamentally incentivized it yeah

that ended a few years ago place and

that ended a few years ago they decided

to like no longer focus on electric yeah

um but this really is people taking

their Silverado diesel and removing

additional restrictions removing things

that made

it vaguely better to me it's another

nail in the coffin of diesel not only is

it harder to buy one now you can't t one

now can't roll coal you can't roll call

the government's going to come after you

they're not Tak they're taking this

quite seriously as they should Diesel's

over let's just hope that the tuning

industry in general survives I want to

be able to unlock an extra 30 horsepower

and do some cool stuff so he want he

wants you got to assume that a lot of

the tunes yeah um have a bad effect on

emissions so why is the government

focusing on diesel right cuz they just

so much more egregious yeah the the the

effect is much more significant than

like an APR stage one on a GTI yeah and

probably some of it isn't right a boost

turning up turbo boost or something

probably doesn't have much of a not

enough to make a big deal the California

is apparently now checking for tunes and

will fail you on smog now how widely

that's being enforced is another

question quite but you know how to avoid

it don't modify your cars guys your

manufa knew what they're doing I can't

share my smog secrets in a public venue

but uh there's there's ways do do they

have to do with the

Billings Helena Helena is how you

pronounce it thank you to whoever

corrected me on the last helina for like

months we never bothered to

correct um but no I mean even within

California there's there's ways around

but it's interesting every new car comes

out the manufacturer says oh this is

untunable It's uncrackable eventually

they find ways yeah cuz there's so many

controls in the ECU that locks you are

they proud of the F General Motors is

like a special leag some cars that you

might expect to have been able to tune

10 years ago you can't as much anymore

yeah ah okay we got to move on from news

but then you can get buy from Ford the

performance kit that gives you 100 extra

still allows it henness primarily only

Tunes Fords now because of that

interesting I I think it's good that

honestly that the EPA is really cracking

down on a bunch of really egregious

emissions

stuff cob will be fine you can't let

these people just continue to do it

especially if they're specifically

flouting the law by creating a device

that literally knows when it's on a dyo

or whatever and changes the emissions

profile the government you can't get mad

at the government they got to they got

to enforce that all the the back the

blue folks ought to be ought to be

supportive of this I have a suspicion

though that there's a little bit of a of

a distressing overlap here my takea away

from the new segments is I want to get a

cob tune K car with a diesel motor and

I'm going to drive it to a Jaguar

dealership and ask for a trade in crank

Windows crank window you know I one of

the great I always felt that one of the

great videos would be taking an xjay 220

to a Jaguar dealer and asking for an oil

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talking about cars there are two major

topics that we have to cover this week

two and we'll start with Nick well I

have a little

announcement for the

viewers we have determined our next car

and for those listening I bought a

Maserati branded Polo that when you pop

the collar it says Maserati so so very

on brand keep it po I I you got got to

suit theage even I have more shame than

to actually wear it this way uh for

longer than a second or two this is the

most tasteless thing I've ever seen in

my life turn show us again show us the

combination to it's actually made in

collaboration with North sales so it's

for sailing people that have Maseratis

which you just have to imagine what that

dinner table conversation is like right

right right I bought a quatra pte uh I'm

super excited it was wait wait wait you

didn't buy just any Quadro portrait you

bought the the 2012 so the m139

basically the

Ferrari F430 derived engine quatra Port

that's what we're going to hang our as

as we call it qp5 so tell us about the

car um it was the sketchiest transaction

I've ever been involved in and that's

saying something as someone who

intentionally seeks out to lowball the

sketchiest sellers I can find I and our

producer Sean and Kenan and Doug have

all cringed independently a different

moment of these stories I may or may not

technically own it right now cuz there

was a problem with the title that

insurance it's insured now you have the

car in your possession are you aware of

the clear coat situation yeah I thought

I I might have removed some while he was

doing a DIY ppf removal job he pulled uh

the clear off and pulled off he pulled

the PBF off and also a SP of clear about

the size of a license play on we're

going to do another YouTube series for

cars and beds and I was worried the car

was too nice and we wouldn't have

content I've had the car 4 days and I've

already got two episodes worth of

content so well the biggest episode is

buying the car the sales process was

truly the sketchiest thing from the

sketchiest individual in the history of

West Texas and

yeah and I think you should do a full

video on just what happened with D's

face in the corner reacting are you

aware that at one point the guy said to

him um I don't know why this is a

problem for you to send money or me to

because I have more money in my bank

account than you anyway so whatever when

when I send proof of funds it it quickly

devolved into a uh contest to see who is

richer or not and I I wanted to explain

to him that he didn't keep all of my net

worth in my checking account but I was

just like forget it this is going to be

too complicated my favorite part is that

he was willing to send you the title but

not a bill of sale yes oh yes he was

terrified I would take the bill of sale

to the police and like somehow steal his

car you he sent you the title yes signed

well incorrectly signed but the bill of

sale is more important and valuable than

the title but you you'll talk about all

this in a video yes

it was it was a long journey but the car

is I'm I'm over the moon about so the

QPS were about $150,000 car new today

you can buy them from like maybe let's

call it 10 to 20 depending on mileage

and condition but towards the end of the

run you know they fixed the transmission

it was known for having the F1 trans or

Duo select Maserati called it they

switched to a ZF transmission and then

it was known for having cam variator

problems which was a $6 to $8,000 fix on

a car worth 10 yeah so the resale value

has got to be at the bottom but his car

is late enough in the production run

that it's past both of those prods it's

a gorgeous color it's a gorgeous color

it's this beautiful blue blue

Mediterraneo with the MC Sport Line

package it is perfect but towards the

end of the run because it had such a bad

reputation like jaguar Maserati probably

should have taken its year off to find

itself but they produced a handful for

the final model year it was really hard

to find them because of that can you

define the MC Sport Line you'd be

stunned fipo it's incredibly that's

where I'm getting at it's incredibly

used there's carbon fiber all over but

was that part of MC sport I thought you

couldn't find anything like from

Maserati that defines MC sport it might

be an aftermarket badge we don't know I

was trying to research this cuz I was

hoping it was like a paint to sample

thing so I called the Maserati

dealership locally they go oh we no

longer sell Maserati only Ferrari try

this other dealership so I call another

dealership they're like oh I I think it

just means carbon fiber trim but I'm not

really sure so then I called Maserati

corporate in North America and say oh

we're not really willing to share

anything with you unless your name's on

the title so I I'm going to try them

again but it it does seem to be more

like an interior trim but dude it looks

amazing oh it's here today I didn't

realize that it's blue it's really

gorgeous car you're going to see it in a

YouTube series where Nick documents all

of the problems with it and then he

fixes it up and makes it great like the

P38 Rover my goal is to own it for free

because it's known for being bad

maintenance so we'll see if the

maintenance exceeds the point of where I

could sell it does have 90,000 miles

89,000 and change yeah but the fact that

it even got to that point I think is a

testament to the reality that these cars

aren't as unreliable as some people say

particularly if you get a late one that

has some of these issues solved I did

the oil change yesterday and it was

really clean underneath it didn't really

have any leaks compared to my P38 this

car is like Cherry yeah yeah so it's I

love it I think it's great I worked at a

Ferrari dealership when these cars were

new and I remember driving them and

thinking they were so much so great

handling they were just so much fun we

also sold Bentley and it was literally a

night and day difference between a

flying spurn they were both new at the

same time and that Quadro Port like it

was so fun to drive sounds great I was

worried the suspension was broken

because it was so firm but I think it's

just a sporty car it's a sporty car it

really was it was a great handling great

steering car um that depreciated heavily

we sold one the other day for like 10 it

was 11 is or 10 and change but yeah and

that one had the ZF transmission that

was a great buy I was actually egging my

friend to buy it because I was like I

already bought one but this is a good

car to buy you could have two H and Har

I could well the best thing I mean you

kind of maybe he'll need to yeah let's

hope not I'm thrilled for your purchase

and that the car showed up I have

actually always want I have a 118 scale

die cast that I bought literally when it

was new like 15 years ago so the

purchase was so sketchy you know the

dude who sold him the car it wasn't his

name on the title it was a man and a

woman who he claimed was his cousin and

the cousin's mom or wife right with a

different name with a completely

different name first and last totally

different only Nick would be willing to

purchase and at some point Nick text us

right our group chat and he's like hey

so many problems have been this

transaction is cursed and I'm like Nick

it's cursed because you've gone after

the sketchiest car from the sketchiest

seller like if you just were buying a

car from a dealer it wouldn't be cursed

it would just be a normal trans it's

cursed because you pursued that if

you're the seller and you're listening

to this just sign the title first I just

started thinking that I'm like he has

the title right now and I need him to

return it sign the title first and then

he's not going to hear any of this he

doesn't care he doesn't know about cars

that's one of the things that I find to

be so C like if he had Nick he would

know cuz Nick held his tongue for a lot

of the craziness cuz he wanted the car

for the content which is what a lot of

us do when we're buying content cars

like we know and the seller's like oh

I'm slipping one under you know they

don't know we always know we just need

the videos yeah and that's what's

happening I did eventually explain to

I'm like hey you can Google me and also

like here's a picture of my Lamborghini

like I promise I'm not trying to oh my

God so after he said the bank account

thing you showed a picture of your

Lamborghini so you got into like a like

a pissing match with this guy a little

bit WR wrong with

you he was selling a $1,500 water slide

all right I wanted to just his other

stuff on Facebook Marketplace was like a

used water slide this is in El Paso a

used water slide the QP there was one

other insane thing some sort of

gardening kind of water slide oh it was

no it was a plot of land for like 85

Grand on Facebook

marketpl I wonder that was titled too

but it that it's part of the fun it's

part of the chase for sure so I I think

I scored pretty well I can't wait for

the videos I checked out the car the

other day I think it looks great uh Oka

really seriously I think looks great I

love those cars I really do I've just

always been afraid to to pursue one

we're thrilled that you're not too

afraid and I got to say the next gen QP

lost a lot of the like specialness that

the the one you have is sort of like the

it feels like a real exotic car like the

the Stitch leather and like it's just

really the newer one is more accessible

probably more reliable but not as

special the the whenever someone claims

a Ferrari derived engine you have to

kind of take it with a grain of salt but

it did have the sticky buttons from

Ferrari it had a lot of the Italian not

only did it have a Ferrari drived engine

it had Ferrari DED Sticky Butt that's

right that's how you know it's real uh

the other to car segment is I drove my

toyoto SEO across country and had a flat

tire now I posted that I had a flat tire

on my Instagram and people uh became

enraged that it's not a flat tire they

said that is a just destroyed I mean

they're not wrong here's what happened

okay I was driving along just down the

road down the interstate and the tire uh

the car started to sway the rear of the

car started to sway and I thought it was

just the Lan keep assist because that

can happen sometimes uh that it's like

does some we weird makes weird decisions

or whatever uh but it turned out that uh

uh after a little bit more aggressive

Swang I looked down and I saw the tire

pressure light was on okay so filipo has

pulled up the picture this is the tire

it really had was a bad situation uh

this tire is demolished so anyway okay

sorry let's just talk about this a tire

goes flat yeah flat you have to drive on

a little bit to get off the highway

that car start swaying in the back and I

realized I look down the tire pressure

monitor's on and SE has one of those

things that has each each tire pressure

is actually printed there so I I scroll

over to that and I see back right is

zero okay so I know it's gone and it's

not going to be like a slow little leak

it's like gone gone I immediately pull

over and it it looks bad it doesn't look

like this but it looks bad it had blown

out it was not a flat it had blown out

it had fully blown out and uh so I knew

I wasn't going to be able to patch it or

anything but I was I was I was in a

danger you're not best to that my gosh I

was in a dangerous spot I'm not a big

fan of parking on the shoulder of the

freeway I think it's really dangerous

some people do it change the tire there

whatever some people like pee I it's not

my thing I think it's really really

dangerous so I got off the freeway with

it I had to drive about 3/4 a mile uh on

the tire and then when I finished

driving the 3/4 of the mile then it

looked like that which is even worse but

it didn't look that different at right

right when I pulled over like

immediately um I don't know we just

driving in the shoulder for 3 like well

what actually happened was there was the

next exit was 5 mil ahead but the other

direction had an exit behind me so I did

a u-turn on the freeway I waited till

there was no one coming I pulled into

one of those emergency turn to it was an

emergency situation and then I waited on

until no cars were coming the other way

it was really dangerous but I felt like

it was less dangerous than the

alternative which was just sitting there

on the freeway so anyway uh the we we

changed the tire I called triaa you know

triaa is I was going to do it myself and

I had already started the process but

the AA dude comes with a floor jack an

impact driver and a compressed air and

in literally 18 seconds he's got the

tire off the car and change it's like a

che was the tire underneath the SP was

underneath but the problem is thankfully

for you the problem is so the back was

completely full of stuff all the tools

were in compartments in the truck so it

took me the the longest part of this

entire tire changing process was just

getting the tools out I had to

completely unpack the back of the car

and got the tools out and the this

fullsize spare under the car drove 22 m

home on the on the spare and we're still

waiting for the new tire the Falcon wild

Peak oo AT3 you had the factory tires on

the car factory tires and they did fine

off-roading and all summer great it was

amazing it was the best off-roader it

was fantastic was really good but you do

have to wonder about a a factory a new

tire that blows out uh at 6,000 Mi it

it's defense it had a hard life well the

other tires didn't blow out you wonder

if there was like a bubble in the

sidewall or something for the sidewall

blow it and not the I'm going to give

Falcon a little bit of credit here I

drive on the beach every day and so you

in order to drive on soft sand you have

to be at 15 psi and so I actually drive

around all summer for 90 days and about

1,000 miles on 15 psi so and that car is

really just going from your house to the

beach onto the beach like it makes sense

for your use case I'm not yeah no I have

no regrets about doing it I would I

would replace a tire every year if it

meant that I could drive at 15 psi like

airing up and airing down every time you

go on the beach is insane and so maybe

that costus it

so we're not going to really blame

Falcon for this no but it is a little

concerning I'm glad guys safely I I got

lucky and this man named Jason came and

helped me change the tire and then you

parked on the wrong side of the street

of the whole thing well this is actually

some sort of weird turn L you know I

could tell you exactly where it is

Kingsport Tennessee some exit okay we

got to move on to our next topic we're

going to do a short market report a

short market report cuz we got a lot of

questions and they're good this week oh

good they're good every week so I want

to talk market report um yes f80 wagon

tell us

about did you think about bidding I I

did other than I literally had a quatra

Porte on a truck but um and you all had

that beautiful B7 RS4 Wagon in the past

you've had some great

E39 this I've never seen one before and

it is just so well done for who can't

see we sold a 328i BMW 328i station

wagon but it had been hit and instead of

just fixing it someone decided to make

it into an M3 conversion but the best

part is they did it right they didn't

stupidly modify it they put on M3

fenders M3 Wheels a manual transmission

which the wagons weren't offered with M3

powert Trin so it had the s55 like it

was a if BMW had made the M3 wagon this

is exactly what it looked like and the a

handsome color like a lot of times when

you do the wagon conversions you just

you can't help but get a little carried

away people do you put it Pepto bismo

pink with some h lower it and do some

extra light and stupid perfect looks

Factory and as a result he got all the

72 Grand has to be a record for a 325

yeah for a 325 with a bad title yeah how

many miles did it have it doesn't matter

yeah 675 but tmu so yeah rebuilt title

like I don't know if they got the money

back or not like i''d be curious what a

build like that cost 72 Grand bet he got

the money back an f80 M3 doesn't cost

that much and a rebuilt title F31

doesn't cost that much especially if you

got insurance to chip in for what the

normal rebuild would cost yeah it was it

was a fantastic build we've seen a lot

of cool Builds on the site this is

honestly one of the very best builds

I've ever seen when this came through

cuz I see all the listings before they

go live I thought to myself damn I want

that I wish this dud had just privately

messaged me and offered to me for

40 cuz I knew once it went live that it

was going to bring all the money but

like it's worth that money cuz you don't

want to build it yourself you do not

want to build it yourself it looks

really well done yep that's just so cool

I've looked extensively into doing this

with the B7 RS4 we we posted a B7 RS

yeah you had a beautiful one that I know

well and yeah it's sold for 75 based on

everything I looked into you would spend

at least 75 trying to recreate this and

it would take 6 to 12 months if

everything goes to plan like it it's at

least a year and a lot of headache so if

someone's already done it and it even

costs just what it cost them to do it

like that's a bargain and I mean this

was just perfect it was exactly what I

would have done and by the way it's

worth pointing out BMW didn't actually

make this car even in Europe there was

no M3 tour and so like this was it I was

actually even kind of curious about that

because like rear fenders I'm not even I

don't even really quite understand they

must have just like done it and figured

it out do we know they say anything

about

that uh quarter Rear Front bumper

quarter panel and they they must have

custom made some you can often graft

like you just cut out sort of the rear

too hard to figure out what you would

have done they did a great job so cool

the shop in Michigan did a great job and

hopefully they build more I know I would

give

anything well that result should give

them a little confidence

especially if they take a clean title

car like you know there's always going

to be that question about it but I bet

they could get more money if they took a

neat color like they made a stor 328 ey

wagon doing a storo blue conversion of

this with a clean title with low miles

and I bet you could get 100 Grand you're

right on the clean title at the same

time if you buy that you know the car's

been completely rebuilt so like

effectively it doesn't make a big differ

although I agree with you I'm not sure I

could make sell my wife on that it it

depends on like how messed up the

chassis was if there was frame damage

maybe but like I generally agree with

your point but but I do think taking a

clean car and saying hey we started with

a car that was totally fine would give

you a little bit more credibility um can

we talk about a car that just went live

that I think you're going to be excited

about yeah I this wasn't on the list I

know you see this this just went live

today I've been trying to talk him into

getting Diablo this is a 1992

Lamborghini

Diablo car uh and it's beautiful it's

red can I I'm going to log in in bid

real quick do it hey you're allowed to

I've been going back and forth on a

mercy versus a

Diablo it's oh that's even better what's

the title

State I've always wanted a popup car I

think they're significantly undervalued

I mean Doug you can probably educate us

all on that more but um it's it's hard

to say no to this and you get a manual

all of them are man2 same power Trin as

your car y you said it's a US car it's

actually European market car though I

said it was a EUR car play the tape back

thank God we have it on tape finally I'm

able to play the tape back when fipo

attempts to correct EUR car car this

this thing is one of the coolest cars I

do think the Diablo Market is going up

it has not trended up fast I will say um

but I swear in 10 years these things are

going to be serious bid from boom $4500

credit card hold you cool that yeah

we'll be fine show it show it to the

Maserati guy prove Pro prove your true

worth here um we got an AMX it be like

hey man are you did you send the title

back and also by the way

I Grand on a DI rates are down half a

point so we're we're good this car is

basically 5% off I I want to mention one

other set of cars that are live which is

we have two cars that were part of a

throttle House Road Trip throttle house

is another car YouTube channel we we

love uh James and Thomas you don't have

to say what throttle house is everybody

knows what throttle house is for the

people they replaced

me yeah pretty much they they about a

year ago went on an awesome road trip

fun fact they went through my wife's

Hometown uh stopped at

there thank you uh and they had these

these two really cool cars uh a86

Corolla and a first gen GTI uh and

they're both for sale with no reserve on

cars and bids GTI look pretty cool

honestly yeah good old Schnitz you know

what my fun fact is I'm not actually

named after Nick Cage a lot of people

last week asked if that was true on my

uh podcast have you confirmed with your

parents the have you confirmed with your

parents that Santa

Claus we'll never know my parents don't

remember a lot from my early development

think they blacked it out um these cars

are both incredibly cool I'm thrilled

that throttle house is selling these

with

us they're super cool and they're live

now when are they end a couple days next

week uh they end next Thursday you going

to bit on the GTI do like a good rabbit

you were a Volkswagen guy for a long

time PW Vortex yeah Vortex yeah Cass

opas man uh those are some good cars

that are live we don't have a lot of

time for other market report stuff

although I do want to very quickly

mention if we sold a 991 911 yesterday

for under 40 W you see the sh 991 for

under 40 now this was a high mileage

automatic first your car it was like

kind of the least desirable version but

you get the point for years it was if

you wanted to spend 40 for a 911 you had

to get a 997 or 996 but a 997 was sort

of the best you could do yeah so it's

been hit a few times hit a few times

disabling damage had accident 19 it had

an accident 14 and had an accident 15

and had an accident so it's a four

accident car you know and only one of

them was disabling the point point is

though this is a great comp for for

buying other ones the point is though

can see where the 991 yeah that's right

when you want a low 991 you can see

where the market is headed and it's

interesting that these are that the the

rough ones are now hovering in the high

30s that this is a really special car

for high 30s Nick can't even tell it

apart from a brand new one yeah I think

a lot of people probably can it makes

early 997s stick coups and cabs are 30

now really 32 05s yeah 05s and 06s

actually are like the 30 so it makes

sense that that the least desirable 91s

are falling like getting to that point

there will be a floor but 996 are

showing that floor can be quite low

again yeah after a year or two of it

beinging yeah you could build a two-car

garage from 2012 with this and a quatra

Porte for 150 Grand that's

true it' be tight but yeah you can you

do it that's an idea okay we got to get

you questions questions questions

questions from our audience our audience

ask questions if you want to ask a

question go to carsen bids.com click on

the communities tab at the top

and there's a post there there's a post

there every week that says hey what do

you want to ask us and we will answer

the highest upvoted questions no matter

how bad they are because we want to hear

from you and we want to see what you're

saying and so first question from Lambo

13653 when is the app coming out soon

second question very soon from Alec Mets

2011 could you guys have Ryan from E39

Source on the podcast uh here's the

thing about Ryan Ryan is the most

wonderful person and he's he makes the

the BMW's tick or not tick as it were

but he is like a very detail oriented

like I don't I don't know that he would

be like a podcast person he's only way

to find out yeah he's like he'd be like

well actually the E39 has the quarter

window is 2 and2 in not 3 in um I we we

we might have to see whether he can

video we should bring him on and see

what he say he's done a daily Vlog for

like 5,000 days in a row but for those

who AR familiar with E39 Source go to

their YouTube channel maybe we'll link

it and check out the most recent build

they did a 60 actually I don't know they

did a 31 page receipt restoration on a

2005 someone showed this is Ryan Ryan is

so obsessively detail oriented someone

brings him this 200 M5 and says make it

perfect and he ordered he ordered you

should see the parts they're laid out in

this like he laid them out like they

would be in the car and it takes up his

whole shop yeah I mean it's incredible I

love the work they is incredible and

also Kenan being like Oh I spent 15

grand 9 they like that's a rounding

error on one of our receipts Ken tell us

the average ability 39 source is 20 yeah

but they're building the most pristine

it's like the singer ification of E39

without it being modded yeah yeah so

anyway Ryan probably would be a good

guest but we a talk about E39 e60s and

e46s that's like it like we think Nick's

period of car knowledge is been limited

to 95 to 2012 it is I I think we'll

bring them in for a market report on E39

we can have a couple

yes there you go okay next question this

is from Dark End I recently became

obsessed with BAC Mono watch Doug's old

review of it the way Doug spoke about

the mono is exactly like how he speaks

about the Countach it's an experience

Etc so my question is did the bacc mono

ever come across as a thought when Doug

was purchasing the Countach no but

that's an interesting question you know

I am not someone who

likes like ridiculous craziness like

that and I always whenever I'm going to

review a car like the B man I'm always

like oh this like I just want I just

want to sit in Comfort with a cooled

seat you know I do of course you have no

Comfort or cool seats in the but so or

any car but so but when then I drove the

B mono and the BAC Mono was so amazing

and I was this so and I had the same

experience with McLaren P1 GTR um and I

didn't consider a BAC Mono because one

of my big things when I buy cars is I I

specifically go after cars that I think

are kind of iconic that's like a major

major yeah pursuit of mine and I think

these three cars are the G wagon Cabrio

the kind of the opposite end of the

spectrum kind of the least iconic car

ever made um but the the Ford GT the CR

GT and the kach are very very special

cars the BC model just isn't and I would

also worry about like reliability and

ownership experience and frankly I think

it's just a little bit too compromised

but I do agree that the experience like

the physical experience of owning the

BAC Mono and driving it is just like a

total kick in the face and just like the

Countach it's one of the cars that I can

get in after a long day or I'm tired or

I'm in a bad mood and I could could

drive it and just feel like totally

exhilarated at the end of it and there's

not that many cars I think that can do

that and by the way I would have pursued

a P1 GTR if I could have afforded it I

think that that car even though it's not

necessarily quite the icon that AOS is

is like so insanely cool to drive plus

have you consider that in a BAC Mono

your face is forced into a

smile no I'd wear a full helmet if I had

if I owned one fair that is going back

to the first news story about the

Commonwealth of Massachusetts saying K

cars are too dangerous yeah where B

model fall into that guaranteed death

guaranteed death uh okay next question

from JM Katy here's a good one that

you'll love all right hey Doug what is

your opinion of what happened to CNC

Motors I know you used to review a lot

of cars before they were shut down due

to fraud and I was wondering what you

thought of the whole situation all right

I'm going to tell you the CNC motorist

story it's time it's time so CNC Motors

was this exotic car dealership east of

LA in a town called Upland which i' had

never heard of before and frankly don't

really know where that is even now I

just put it into the GPS and go there

and uh it was hot that's what I know and

it was across street from a quarry which

is insane and I would film and the

Quarry would all day long would be

quarrying anyway so what's that

interesting yeah it was so annoying and

so anyway CNC Motors uh there were some

red flags when I would go there like I

they would tell me how much they would

pay for some of the trades and I'd be

like what what how could that be but

whatever I mean they always had the

reason I filmed so many videos up there

was because especially during the period

where I filmed with them which was like

2018 through 2020 or whatever I was

still growing my channel hadn't done a

lot of reviews a lot of exotic cars and

they had everything I mean you would

walk in there and they had have an LFA

and a La Ferrari and five Ford GTs and a

career GT and a pts color they had

everything they I mean they sold the

lafar a pair to for eight and a half

when that was still a thing like they it

was crazy gold wings I mean old new it

didn't matter that everything right so

it was an obvious place to go cuz I

could show up there at 8:00 a.m. and

knock out two or three car reviews and

then go home and have like a week two

weeks worth content done on cars that

were going to be massive successes and

to this day some of my very biggest

reviews have been there including that

Ford F650 Super Truck your most video

ever really you mean biggest literally

like size of vehicle physically biggest

anyway uh eventually what happened was

they uh were stealing from people now I

want to make a point the stealing uh I I

wasn't like employed there or anything I

would just go up maybe once every 2 or 3

months to film The stealing I hadn't

been to the dealership in a year by the

time the stealing stuff came out I

didn't know what was going on I hadn't

heard about any of that I literally

hadn't even talked to the guys in a year

and um because I had kind of run out of

cars that they did like I had kind of

pivoted from the older Exotics which

they mostly had to like brand new cars

which they don't you know that was

getting press cars and so I hadn't

really been up there in a year and then

I started hearing these Rumblings I got

text messages hey did you hear about CNC

and then one thing led to another and

then clay you know was arrested and um

and so that happened but I think the

thing about see and and so my opinion of

what happened to them I I it it sounds

to me like they spent too much they they

they got a new building I think they

bought it and built it themselves which

is a mistake that a lot of these exotic

dealers make they they think that things

are going really well they have a little

bit of cash they want to leverage to

even more and then the market turns and

I think that's a mistake that a lot of

exotic car dealers make have made over

the years and I'm always wary of like

some of these specialized exotic car

dealers that are really flashy there

used to be companies that would

advertise in Dupont Registry when I was

a kid the toy store and the and auto

panach all these like places that were

like big deals and then eventually they

kind of go away and the next crop of

them shows up and then they kind of go

away and there's like a right way to do

it which I think a lot of our sellers do

which is kind of like keep overhead

minimal and be reasonable and don't be

insane and then there's like the other

way which is like add more leverage you

know take on even more debt to sell even

more cars and then you end up into this

situation and so um yeah I mean it's a

shame what happened to some of the

people I had not friends but friends of

friends who were kind of caught up in

some of their stuff um

but

I'm you got to be careful in the exotic

car business things can change and in

their situation what happened was Co hit

and even though the co car market became

really strong the first 6 months were

really tough and it was like a basically

a margin call for them and that was that

was the end of CNC and now I don't go

there anymore and I don't know what

happened to those people some of them

are in jail do you think based on what

happened like Consignment selling in

general is is is now a bad idea wouldn't

you kind of think twice about it yeah I

mean especially with cars and bids not

to like Hawk the product here but like

there are ways to sell a car now that

are much you don't need a dealer

necessarily um and and you avoid a lot

of the like I'm having title issues

right now with a qp5 like imagine doing

that on a La Ferrari like you just don't

need that when you have a third party

involved already that's an interesting

point um I I would still TR I mean I

want people everyone in the world to use

cars and bids I would still trust

legitimate dealers may be hard to figure

out CNC was viewed as very legi very

legitimate they sold cars to celebrities

they sold cars all over Southern

California if you wanted an exotic car

you showed up there and got I mean they

had this crazy inventory crazy building

out there and we we don't need to name

names but there was another prominent

car guy who sold to celebrities that was

recently had a wire fraud charge I mean

this keeps happening CNC is not an

outlier necessarily like that's the

thing and and and the the dealerships I

mentioned before that kind of went away

from when I was a kid I I don't know

that anything fraudulent happened but I

do think that

at some point the business doesn't keep

going like it did maybe the figurehead

has gone or whatever but these exotic

card dealers like seem to cycle the

really flashy showy on seem to cycle in

a way that you know just yeah it makes

me a little nervous I mean if it could

happen to FTX and the smartest genius in

the world then it could happen anywhere

right one way to what the next question

it is an interesting thing um I I was I

was surprised that it happened

considering the level they were at but

it is a really good lesson that no

matter how good somebody's reputation is

or how big you think they are you got to

be cautious you got to be cautious and

FTX is actually a good example remember

they had gone to some celebrities to add

market for them and and they did their

diligence and were like I'm out and some

less cautious celebrities did that and

now are being sued as part of it s know

same thing their board was impeccable

like but you can't just go on reput you

can't you can't just go on reputation

and that's you must do your own research

is what Nick is saying do your own D

yeah Nick is Nick is a great poster

child a good example of that go deep

into their water slides their cousins

the B figure out all the facts you know

next question from Daniel Gman in the

communities by model tab on cars and Bs

why is there not a section for the

aspark owl the reason is the reason is

it doesn't exist it doesn't exist we

only have cars that exist we only have

cars that exist I'm so sorry the real

answer is that we have cars where we

have generally hosted auctions or have

an auction in the

pipe because it doesn't exist so that

the Asar will never have a tab because

it will never exist okay the Asar Al now

everybody because of this podcast

everybody sends me aspark owl

information and there's information but

there was one at Pebble but it didn't

move apparently there was one in

roundabout I don't think that one moved

either they don't they don't move which

is weird because they're electric put

put the body on a Tesla and just move it

well you need to make a body they have

bodies

yeah uh okay that is the as barow

question the last thing I want to say

that we have been given a gift yes a

gift by our friend Mike Morano at Audi

Greenwich how kind of him Moreno Morano

we'll have to ask

Mike uh Mike is a seller on our site a

watcher of the podcast and he uh offered

to change my Toyota seoa oil when I was

driving cross country which I didn't

take him up on cuz I was in a hurry on

that day when I was driving but he sent

us a gift a consolation prize gift

instead of an oil change we now have wow

for those who can't see which I feel

terrible for you this is an Audi

robot that's the only way to describe it

like a stuffed animal robot yes I have

been making fun for weeks now of

Toyota's um when I bought my seoa they

sent me a list to all this merch and it

was the the crappiest stuff you'd never

want to buy in your life including a a

small goat and a small bee wearing a

Toyota shirt but I think Audi has out

insanedude24

robot's a quadric it has no arms and

legs he doesn't have arms or he a robot

here here's what he Wheels hello uh

let's talk about the B5

A4 no all all he wants to talk about is

the the q555 the Q the Q8 rron anyway

the robot's name is going to be Mike in

honor of the person who sent it to us um

and it's an a literal Audi robot he's

even got a little Audi tag here he

retails for $39.95 that's a dealer these

these were like 20 bucks each I'd rather

have the robot no offense to Toyota get

out of here Toyota things though you've

been replaced by the robot Mike the

robot has appeared instead have you ever

when you're buying a new car tried to

negotiate in some merch from I have done

that yeah I I if you throw in a pen I'll

do it at this number what what did you

get from Toyota for the tooa you paid

for those that that deal went was was

all done what other new vehicles have

you purchased uh I purched a Landover

Defender oh I forgot about that car and

I purched a Kia Stinger and the deal

there was do you remember the deal with

that Kia Stinger it was only that it was

a year old at that point I told them I

would buy what I would buy it at their

ask if they would deliver it to me you

remember this and they were in North

County they're in ESO and they said yes

and I said you also have to pick it up

for service and they said yes and they

did the car was did you get socks did

you get I should have I I do have a

friend who bought a very used Subaru

Outback from a Subaru dealer and got a

pair of Subaru socks as a little throwi

in gift hey what happened to those

Toyota socks did I give him to Kenan or

you I think kenon kenon okay so now we

have Mike the robot we have Nick the

insane Nick do you have any parting

thoughts for

us

no make you going to drive home in this

QP by the way one other thing about the

quatro party that you should know he

pressure washed the engine again as he

does no it was very specific hosed it

off and when he started the car after

the hose he told you about this every

warning light came on he turned it off

turn it back on then just the check

engine light came on better I I think it

it just stuttered a little bit but it

was fine I also blew it off with a leaf

blower to try to get all the water out

so it actually looks surprising it looks

very ni probably worth doing nicest 2012

qp5 on the planet except for the clear

failure the wheel damage the back window

doesn't go up or down the front bumper

is like I don't know what they

hit it's all it's also still the

nicest all of these can be true all

right thank you for watching or

listening to our wonderful podcast we'll

see you again next week we'll be back

with Kennon right indeed all right

goodbye everyone thanks for coming Nick

thank you

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