Dave Hall & Tyler Flaherty of Restore a Muscle Car

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I went down that road far enough with my Trans Am, because that was a clean original car.

And to be honest, I looked at a lot of stuff you did, because I'm like,

I think this guy probably knows his shit.

Like, you've done a lot of those cars.

Came home one day and told her I quit doing computers, and she's like,

what do you mean you quit?

And I'm like, well, I'm doing my own thing.

And she's like, what is that?

And basically ran into a little 1,500 square foot body shop that was vacant.

I heard a couple of guys away from a local collision shop, and we started working on

a couple of my Trans Ams that I had in my collection at the time.

And I wanted to get done because I didn't like the way other people were doing it

when I was outsourcing it.

So you went down there and said, this is the cool stuff that I went to school for?

This is what I went to school for.

And Dave's like, cool, yeah, maybe we'll think about it.

And I ended up having to come back the next week and be like, hey, did you think about it?

And finally one day he was like, sure, if you want to start, go ahead.

Gave me a job.

And I'm like, I'm not leaving until you say yes, or at least give me a shot.

You don't have anything you want to ask about.

You're such a big Purt Reynolds fan.

This is like such a good opportunity for you.

You don't go fishing in stockpons.

That's not even.

It's like, look at this five pound bass I just caught.

And you paid to fish there.

I mean, I can ask it.

You know the answer.

The thing that you've wondered about him like he knows him.

He's hung out with him.

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Welcome back to another episode of Boyle and Whiskey.

This week we have a twofer.

We have two.

We have both of you.

We got Dave Hall and Tyler Flaherty from Restore Muscle Car all the way from Nebraska.

Yes, sir.

Glad to have you guys.

Thanks for having us out.

Yeah, this is you've got a more diverse background in the traditional hot rod

builder that we have on here.

So we're interested in talking about how that happened.

And we started talking a little bit before off camera and you're trying to tell me,

you know, computer science.

I was like, well, save it.

I got I want to learn it in the real time.

Yeah, I just know he is having a badass shop and building killer transams because

I'm a trans am guy myself.

And I followed you guys forever.

I mean, you guys got a killer image.

Everything looks bitch and handle some really killer muscle cars.

Been doing some cool trucks.

So yeah, I'm curious what the story is.

You see the trans am done.

Start away.

I was gravitated.

I saw the parts you want to hit us afterwards.

No, no, no, actually, it's all looking good.

I think Jeremy was going to give me a little bit of insight at SEMA and stuff

this year is kind of telling me he's planning on finally getting that in working on it.

So yeah, we finally had a little window, which I think is about to be closed tomorrow

because these damn customer cars that have to get done, you know, so we slid it in.

And now it's going to go on the back burner for a little bit.

But maybe this is a week worth of work on it.

Maybe this summer we'll see it.

Well, we have some insight that we want to talk about on the on your car to that we

can help you with to help make make it move along a little bit quicker.

I've got a solution for that shaker.

Good, good.

The guys were saying because that's that one's uncharted waters for us.

You know, we've built plenty of Camaros, put a lot of chassis in the cars, never built

a trans am.

And yeah, there's a few loose ends like getting the shaker hood functional through the hood.

Obviously trial and error for a long time.

But I think we've came up with a pretty solid solution now.

Well, I'm going to take you up on that because that is surprisingly harder than it looks.

There's not a lot of space between the top of that manifold and where that shaker belongs

to keep it in proportion.

And you got to get air filtered air in there.

Sounds like it's solved now.

They solved it.

That's the best part about this community.

But he probably got the shit kicked out of them trying to find that solution.

I found it.

But we I mean, we wanted something where the shaker sat on the motor and I don't like

shakers mounted to hoods and everybody tends to go down that path because the easy approach.

Yes, it's the easy way.

And so he's always just said, make it work.

So and that's what I've had to do.

It doesn't matter what engine mounts I have.

It's always just been make it work.

But now we found you can mount the throttle body inside of the shaker base.

Cool.

And then we've got a really, really good air cleaner setup.

So nice because at 500 you start running out of air with that setup.

Yep.

So this should fix it.

Well, Casey Wagner built that motor.

So I'm sure it's good for at least 325.

Yeah, actual or published numbers at the crank.

Yeah, 250 of the wheels.

It ought to be a ripper.

Did 800 on the engine dyno?

You got to understand it goes through the trans.

There's that and the guy we're all scratching our head how to make the AC work.

Right.

It's funny where like for some people that is such a simple thing.

We look at it like that's trying to get a rocket ship powered up, you know, the factory air.

We're so used to everything's got a vintage air kit and integrate the factory air into it.

I'm like, dude, I have no idea.

Trying to make fire with a little boat.

Yeah, it's about what it feels like.

Orifice tube and charger, right?

The wiring side of it getting all the vacuum stuff.

I mean, it's the key to that is not taking it apart.

It's one of its like automatic transmission that thing can have 700,000 miles on it and just keep working.

As soon as you fuck with it.

Yeah, let me just drop that pan and see what's in there.

Oh, vacuum lines that go into that diaphragm or whatever that is.

It just you have to have all those right.

We have all the diagrams and stuff at the shop and they changed it every year.

It's not like they can just leave it alone.

Keep it.

That's a that's another point for we did possibly go to the moon.

If you dissect one of those, dude, it's not far fetch.

It's not hard to believe that we we landed on the 60s.

Yeah, I don't want to go down that road again.

No, I know.

It's just making it.

It is a it is a notch for the pro.

Yes, we did go to the middle.

Lincoln Continental, Lincoln Continental doors and the top.

And a GM 70s GM vacuum blend doors.

Oh, yeah, makes a good case for.

Well, how did this all get started?

You officially started what early 2000s, right?

2005, the shop started before that.

I basically grew up the oldest of five boys and my dad owned a dealership,

a rental car business and full service center and growing up.

I basically kind of got, I think from the age 11 or 12, throwing in and started

helping him at the shop.

I like to just play with the cars and stuff.

And I learned a lot of the mechanics and stuff as at a young age.

And so it came pretty natural to me because I was working with his

Texan and stuff at the time.

But what dealership on yet?

No, actually, it was just a used car dealership.

He actually was worked for a Ford dealership and ran their used car division

and then left them and started his own used car dealership and then kind of

grew that.

And so then, you know, over the years, going up through junior high

school and college, I basically worked for him full time or in between school

and stuff.

And then when I was getting ready to graduate, I always knew that I could fall

back on cars because it was very easy and natural for me.

And but I wanted to get into computer science.

I had some friends in the family that were into computers at the time and

developing software for law firms and stuff.

And so he was kind of guiding me to go and get my degree because they

needed programmers.

I couldn't find any at the time.

So I went to the University of Nebraska.

They weren't, they couldn't teach the new languages fast enough because it was

all developing so quick.

That was right kind of at the age of the Internet when it was starting in

American online and stuff.

And so I went to had to transfer to a tech school so I could actually

learn Turbo C and and a lot of the newer languages and stuff.

So I could actually develop software and then within two years graduated

from there, got hired on at Farm Bureau Insurance and within a few years took

over their IT department, managed the entire state of Nebraska's computer

network for Farm Bureau Insurance and was doing AS 400s and setting up

networking.

And then I got involved with a group of professors from the University

of Nebraska and I helped them spin off a company through our Nebraska

Technology Park.

And so we started developing software for Fortune 500 companies, Internet

based web applications, e-commerce for Omaha Stakes.

We started their first e-commerce system and managed that for years and then

eventually ended off to their programmers because it kept growing way too big.

And then my passion for cars kind of came back around.

Step back just a little bit in high school.

My last couple of years in high school, I bought a 72 TransAIM.

And it was a secondary car to my 75 Blazer that I would drive every day of school.

So those were nice line up.

My passions basically that kind of started where we ended up coming.

That's why the shop kind of came came back around because I you know,

I loved working with the cars.

I obviously love the TransAIMs and when I got into college, I ended up selling

my 72, bought a 79 smoking the Bandit TransAIM started playing with that

because I had teatops working there.

It was a little bit more fun to take out with friends and stuff like that.

And then the computer industry took over for me for about 15 years.

And so it was a hobby for me for while I was doing computer stuff.

So and when I met my wife, Michelle, we got married, started our family.

I think I came home one day and told her I quit doing computers.

And she's like, what do you mean you quit?

And I'm like, well, I'm going to go do my own thing.

And she's like, what is that?

And that's when I kind of started doing some computer consulting and and I started a shop

and basically rented a little 1500 square foot body shop that was vacant.

I hired a couple of guys away from a local collision shop and we started working on a couple of my TransAIMs

that I had in my collection at the time that I wanted to get done because I didn't like the way

other people were doing it when I was outsourcing it, trying to do stuff out of my house at the time.

So that shop was just to build a couple, finish a couple of the cars you wanted to do.

For my cars, I was still doing computer consulting at the time.

But we were actually when I went home and told her that, she told me, she said,

well, you quit your job and I'm pregnant with our second child.

So we had we have two girls.

Surprise.

And I'm like, everything will be fine.

We'll figure it out.

But I was just burned out on the whole computer industry.

It was I enjoy it and enjoyed it a lot and I still have some involvement in it,

especially with the shop stuff that we're doing that I'll get into later.

But it's a 24-7 job.

So when computers don't sleep and I was involved everything from sales to technical support to hardware.

And so when the sales team and the developers would go home, I'd be back at the shop,

ripping out equipment, hooking up hardware, getting networking going, working on the firewalls,

switching out rules and stuff.

I would program a lot of the rules and stuff for security and stuff like that.

So what percentage of tech support was solved by turning it off and turning it back on?

Oh, 90 percent.

Unplug it.

You got to unplug it.

Wait, 10 seconds though, too.

Yeah, exactly. Count to 10.

It's the universal.

But so when we started the shop, it was kind of one of those things that at the time there was like

what do you call it, groups on the internet where people would, you know, were talking about working on the...

Forums and stuff.

Yeah, forums.

So I didn't like controversy on forums, but I would just post pictures and say,

I'm building my car.

This is what I'm doing.

And at the time, you know, everybody, why would you restore a car unless it was exactly the way it was built from the factory?

The way GM did it or Pontiac whoever it was that you were building the car for.

It had to be the right nut with the right insignia on top of it.

Turn the right angle, all that stuff.

I didn't care as much about that.

I wanted to actually tweak it my way, customize it.

I mean, growing up as a kid, you want a little louder sound system, better exhaust, wheels and tires.

You know, you make the car your own.

You don't want to pull into a gas station and have somebody else pulling with the same car.

It's like that you don't get the same effect.

It's funny when you think about that.

Going to those lengths to restore a car when you got 70 Trans Am.

I mean, Ron was on the assembly line on a Friday zipping that fucking nut on with an impact or an air ratchet.

He didn't give a shit about it.

Maybe that one went on a little deeper, maybe marked it with a marker afterwards.

And here we are like 40, 50 years later, trying to replicate that.

Like it was some super passionate creation, like a piece of art.

Right.

And you had Friday drunk car come through.

And that's that, you know, you're talking about the controversy on the forums.

That's when it gets into, especially when it comes to like the shellboats stuff or whatever.

The guy's like, nope, I'm telling you right now, this thing's never been touched.

Red oxide goes all the way up to the tail light.

And then the 15 others like, nope, that never happened.

We've got documentation.

And like you said, drunk Ron, one Friday, he might have sprayed that red oxide up to the tail.

A little bit up the cowl that time.

And then to get it all done.

And like back to your point of, you know, you pull it up to the gas station, somebody's pull up to that one and it's got the correct red oxide.

At no point, you're like, check mine out.

I actually just got the right insignia on those bolts.

I can tell that you've replaced those great with grade eight.

It's not exactly how they used to.

I went down that road far enough with my trans am because that was a clean original car.

And to be honest, I looked at a lot of stuff you did because I'm like, I think this guy probably knows his shit.

Like you've done a lot of those cars.

Like he probably, he probably figured it out.

Right.

Looked at, you know, to see what the bottoms, the cars look like just some general cause I just mimicked.

It's certainly not an original car, but you know, the exhaust is seracoded to look original.

The floor was all original red oxide primer detail a few things, but by no means going to that length to.

No, to replicate everything.

That's just not.

And you're most of the time, like you said, when you're doing it, you're going to change the things that were sub bar.

Yeah, 100% and make it stop better over restore the car.

Basically.

And I mean, starting out, you feel like because that's what everybody's commenting about, you feel like you need to then go that direction.

So that's, you know, we would take the nuts and bolts off.

We'd tag everything we put it, you know, keep track of it.

I send it off to get plated the right color, bring it back, try and put it back together.

It just, it gets to a point where it's like, and I don't have a problem with that.

The people that want to do that, and we still do that to some extent, but at the same time, a majority of our business has grown towards the custom chassis, the custom motors, the modern suspension.

They want people want to be able to get in the car, turn the key and go and not worry about it.

And so that's where it's going.

Otherwise, there is the show pieces that have the right insignia bolts that sit in the corner or they put on a trailer and take it to the show.

Yep.

And so that's where the trophy is, and that is their own thing.

It's a skill set in and of its own.

It's just such a difference.

It's a difference.

Yeah, I don't want to like put it down because it's cool to look at a car that's done that way.

I can definitely appreciate a car that somebody's spent that kind of time, and it's a talent.

It's just not my talent.

It's the ADD in the hot rod industry that just, viewers are off of that.

I'm intrigued by the historical referencing and the archeological like dig of hunting that down, right?

Either the part or the figuring out the way it is or reading about why some of the things were done,

especially when something is held to such a high regard or standard of whether it be over spray, not to be a dead horse,

but over spray or something like that.

And then finding out that the reason that was done was because 73 and a half,

they started yanking these parts off of another line and doing that.

I find that intriguing of that part of it.

On the flip side, I hate the rules part of it because it's like the guidelines of saying,

no, it has to be done this way because you've started down this path and you have to follow the guidelines.

The only reason I ever, I think, was so intrigued with cars in general was the customizing aspect because it was anti-rules.

There was nobody, regardless, there's style and then there's not, there's personal taste and there's not,

but the fact that you could go out and customize your vehicle whatever way you possibly want to and make it work

was what I've always been drawn to.

So the flip side is like, that's so cool to go do that, but I hate the rules of having to follow like, well, you have to do it that way.

The high riding is a little counterculture, right? It's sort of rebellious.

Yeah, not doing the thing that is following the rules.

You know, and taking these cars along, you know, and you're dealing with clients and, you know, what they want and the direction they want to go,

every customer is different, a different set of goals and needs and wants and let alone a budget.

So figuring all that out can help guide that path on how you're going to finish out on the car.

On the budget side of things, modern days, like today's, and a guy does come in and say, I want this, you know,

we're going down the factory nut and bolt like all the way, concourse level restoration and fun.

How does the budget discussion get weighed in?

Because again, just like building anything when you do it right, takes what it takes.

That cost is going to be X.

Right.

And regardless of how good that is, you've gone down that path.

The market for a restored car is the market for a restored car.

It's not in a custom world.

If somebody just likes the way that was done or it's fast or whatever, it's, you know, a 69 Camaro custom could be a broad,

a range of multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars in difference.

Judging by the recent auction results, I mean, you got Coppo Camaros now bringing like seven figures.

When did that happen?

That must have happened overnight because I did not realize that they had hit that.

I mean, the 69 Camaros have now really risen up in value, which, I mean, I've had all those cars in my collection and stuff,

rotates in and out as I like and don't like or get bored with stuff.

But it's, yeah, it's never changing and everybody's, you know, wants and needs.

We all know how that evolves and especially with you guys now getting into the third and fourth generation cars, Camaros,

GTAs, stuff like that.

I mean, that's all we're seeing the same thing, you know, coming down the pike.

So it's just, you know, keeping up with the Joneses and what people want, what the younger generation wants.

Tyler's taught me a lot of the things that, you know, with him being younger than me and I have a lot of our staff is actually,

you know, his age, you know, I, you know, I like a lot of the things that they like,

but didn't realize that it was going to be something I really want to restore, you know.

Yeah, that's tough. I mean, I think we're all sort of getting to be the old guys, you know, at what point do we reach that stage where like,

He's rolling his eyes.

Yeah, we're in, you know, we just got to kind of come to grips with the fact that the younger guys know what's hip.

They do. The 80s and 90s stuff, though, we've been talking about it for at least five or six years of, you know,

as OBS started to creep in and it's like, what's the next thing? Well, it's going to be all the 80s and 90s stuff.

It's wild. Just in the last probably two or three weeks of talking to people that this is, it's just getting started.

It's 100% it's infancy right now.

You've got, you know, Alan Johnson debuted, you know, a rad trans-am, right? That's second gen, right?

But going down that style, he's talking about building something else that's obviously...

Yeah, that's just going to propel him to new heights. I mean, levels that haven't been achieved yet in this industry.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Levels, yeah.

Bobby Allaway is calling. He's building a Fox body, right? So, Bobby Allaway is going to build a Fox body.

Yeah, that's a little surprising.

It's surprising, right? Troy's building a third gen. Now, let's face it, he started building that when the third gen was still new.

He's been building it for that long.

He's off the dealer floor.

I think it was actually prototype.

But there's, I mean, that's levels. Obviously, there's so many other builders out there that are building Fox bodies right now.

I mean, on our chassis, doing some crazy stuff. There's Grand Nationals being built and stuff.

But when you see some of the... I'm talking about being old, right?

Some of the older than us, the guys that we looked up to that have been in the traditional hot rod world, right?

In the set trends there, putting their spin on the 80s and 90s stuff, it's going to be around for a while, right?

That adoption rate is faster than anything else on other stuff.

Right now, the way I see it, you remember being at a good guy's show probably, I don't know the exact...

Let's say 2005, 2006, and you'd see that was when pro touring wasn't really a thing yet, but people were just kind of street riding some muscle cars.

You'd see a muscle car with big wheels.

Remember that black 69 Camaro with the... I think it was red interior, 59 Chevy dash hammered on the ground.

It was a would-be car, I'm sure.

And none of us were messing with muscle cars to that level, and you saw that roll through.

And there's one of those, right?

Yes.

And fast forward 56 10 years, there's 69... I mean, modified badass 69 Camaro's everywhere you look to a high level.

It's the same thing. Right now, that's it.

So, you've got one guy rolling through that built a really bitching Fox body, and that's going to come through,

and people look at it and they're like, somebody's got to be the first to dance on the dance floor,

and then once that happens, everybody's going to start joining in.

And then it's a slow roll, and then all of a sudden you're going to realize that there's fucking Irox and Fox bodies and GTAs and stuff.

I thought it was going to be a slower roll from the bottom up, where it was going to be some pretty cool ones that you see,

and you're like, oh man, that's nice with some wheels on it, and then they get nicer and nicer, right?

And then you'd have some adoption.

I didn't realize it was going to basically be like, start from the top, and it's wild.

But I think everybody wants to make a splash.

You want to come out and do it wild.

Yeah, so they're going to try and build something that hasn't been done yet to make the splash.

And for us, we started building transams that were worth $20,000 done, but you'd have to spend $100,000 at the time to get them done.

Everybody's like, why would you do that?

That's stupid.

But that's what we started doing.

It's like the Smoky and the Bandit car for us, black and gold, was obviously the iconic transam.

If you talked to anybody of our generation and stuff, it's like, what do you remember from the transam?

You remember the car from the movie.

That's Rocky, right, when it was debuted first?

Yeah, that was the one Stallone drove, and Rocky won, I think, right there at the end, we got a little money in his pocket.

Yeah, I know he remembers that part of that movie.

But yeah, it's definitely a memorable car for sure.

So we were building those cars and we became basically...

Oh yeah, we need a drink.

We need a drink over here.

Yeah, go ahead.

A little parched.

Oh, sweet.

Little, little buck.

Wow.

That's a great shot.

That's a first ever on the podcast.

I don't know, I never had that.

I've never had it.

It's one of my favorites.

That's a hell of a bubble.

And we got lucky and we found one today.

Really?

Great job.

That's a rarity.

How's it come out of there?

Get a pry bar.

Yeah, well thanks for that guys.

That's awesome.

Absolutely.

After three years of doing this and probably four or 500 bottles.

I've listened to every podcast and I was like, what happened?

Yeah, good pull.

Really good pull.

Look, 118 proof.

Awesome.

The black box.

Yeah, that's really cool.

Thanks guys.

Welcome.

Very much.

Exciting.

Yeah, that'd be a fun one.

We're just talking something like that, rare stuff you can all of a sudden find in the

last couple of weeks or a couple of months now.

Yeah, the bourbon market's taking a little bit of a hit.

Yeah.

That's good.

That's good to find this.

What you want.

They had midwinter dram on the shelf too.

I was amazed.

Yeah, it's been popping up pretty good.

That's normally something I had to order in the past and then wait for it.

Yeah.

I think it's the perfect timing just like generally our luck is production has just got to an

all time high as demand has decreased.

This newer generation is not drinking like that they were.

You're coming off of the pandemic that was all time high of alcohol consumption.

True.

You also had forecaster demand eight, 10, 12 years ago to put it in barrels at that point

and then just hope that it's something.

That's got to be the worst forecasted.

100% the worst forecasted.

That's why you see a lot of like four years now.

How did that when I mean obviously that discussion with the cheers.

Cheers.

Thank you very much.

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And a majority of our business for restoring cars is a car that's been in the family that

they want to keep in the family and they want it to be the way they want it for themselves

and future generations.

You know a majority of the you know when you walk in our shop I can pretty much rattle

off at least 50% of those cars have probably been in that same family or were purchased

because of a car that was just like it.

Back when you just were doing the first two cars you know you hired a couple guys from

the body shop you're doing your own stuff.

What was the what was the first paying gig how did it transition into like

all right well these cars are wrapping up I gotta make money.

Yeah.

Building my own cars I you know would try and sell one or sell them to make some money

but then people would see on the forums that we were building cars and so then they'd reach

out and be like hey you know these cars we're not finding many shops that are doing trans

ams can we you know send our car out to you and so it was a whole new evolving learning

process for me coming from the computer world and knowing software development and I would

you know I learned how to walk into a company and basically sit down and learn everything

they did from A to Z with from a customer walking in the door to to them getting paid

and trying to figure that out so I basically took that same process I put myself through

paint shop class basically I got flown out to here in Chicago and got certified with

a speedsecker at the time to spray with them and and just know it so that I could hire

the right tech knew what they were doing you know how to do things the correct way and

we even learned you know water based you know paint back it wow so it was quite you know

within 20 years ago but anyway just started at first I thought I knew what it was going

to take to restore a car and you try and come up with an X price and take to build it which

is how we initially treated software development but then it ended up going to a time of materials

based thing which is ultimately what we do with all our projects now coming in because

there's on a 40-50 year old car there's just too many unknowns and then the customer's

going to change their mind every step of the way it can come in and maybe we would we're

going to get it running and driving and replace the clutch and fix the brakes put some tires

on it and next thing you know we're painting and the frames off and we're putting bushings

and everything so it's it just evolves and you're dealing with all kinds of different

aftermarket parts that yes don't interchange with each other and fit differently and require

a bunch of extra work and or you get that like we talked about it a couple podcasts

go that standard thing of customer comes in you're looking around the car and you know

you're halfway through and get you know it'd be cool and then when you say you know it'd

be cool all you're saying is you know you know how we could spend a lot more money that's

about a hundred grand that kind of just that comment you know it'd be cool and it's both

ways it's the builder it's the customer yeah yeah now I was thinking you know it'd be cool

if we oh yeah and then we also yeah and if we were doing that we might as well do this

oh yeah it just evolves yeah yes it's open up that can of worms that doesn't stop so

me and Scott have a great relationship with that it's a give and take oh you blame each other

well it's a give and take sometimes I go for it you know and I'll be like I'll give them

then you know it'd be cool and then on the next one I'm like dude let's just knock this one out

you're right that would be cool but it would be cool but let's just knock this one out yeah

for what you're wanting to do with it let's just yeah so we're just finishing one of those

now the next one's gonna be that you know be fucking cool which ones when we're knocking out

yeah well I wouldn't say we're knocking out in record time but the Mustang's kind of a

you know a little bit of a it's cool yeah it's very cool it's just not highly modified like

we didn't mess with the body it's beautiful paint work yeah but it's not like it's a

3000 miles on it so I think so my car you guys repaint yeah yeah yeah Dutch boys painted

for us not because I wanted Dutch boys to paint it just because I didn't have the heart to

repaint it just fucking kidding yeah so they did a killer job on it man Paul rocked this

thing out and he took a burgundy and gray two-tone 89 GT which hey that was me saying

dude I don't think we should do it and Scott said you know it's got like 3500 miles and

Scott took the bucket let's pay you know to be cool bro and I said okay dude so they took

it and bodies all stock but they did it's it is nice I mean oh looks way better paint

body hundred percent all white that was still the one that I was like I can't believe it's

definitely worth doing yeah it could have been worth doing on another

non-1800 mile original car yeah that's 3500 miles 35 what color is the interior on that

gray so we're putting all that back in it yeah anybody looking for the drive train though

out of a 3500 miles an auto which is not super desirable but yeah there is a whole front

suspension cradle with basically a brand new motor sitting in it and automatic trans and

rear suspension that somebody should have that it's just screaming for a GT 40 upper and

lower and some H-pipes and your next next build yeah there you go some trick flow heads I just

put that in the shop and it's running on an engine stand that's still probably the best

sounding oh yeah it's a set of flow masters and just a 5-0 yeah oh yeah fun motors how

I had a lot of those in my day that's the one small block that put in your

chest like a big block would they just you felt it coming down the road to this day something

could go by right now you know out on 83 and I would and I could tell you with hundred percent

certainly that that's a fox body with flow masters yeah because it sounded good it had

had flow masters it is the most unforgettable sign it sounds fucking awesome I don't know

what it is about the architecture of that motor think it's like a bazooka tube or something

like built it just 200 and 90 horse what were they 300 horse I don't think they were that

much yeah they sounded like a thousand such light cars though they that's the that's the

thing they had going for him is handling and being like yeah I mean way back in the day

like the big the big boys were doogan Mustang down in Atlanta so I just lived there and it

was you'd see that doogan sticker on the thing and I mean big built motor high compression

and all the things and even with like a vortex on it or whatever I mean I think I'm I'm

probably misremembering but I think that like the rumor of the one that was the baddest that

was like put the hundred dollar bill on the dashboard it was yeah but I think it everybody

I think it did like 501 to the tires or whatever and you know it was just like in

that time it might as well been 2,500 horsepower you know and that thing was not really even

streetable but now you're talking like 500's a lot don't get me wrong but in comparison

sure you know dodges dropping their new rams trucks whatever and every

single one of them is thousand horsepower whatever it's for a pickup truck what we got we got carried

away but that's hey that's what we do so for him people reaching out you think

you know how to bid it obviously how many cars did it take to learn that we got to go

to time and materials I actually had a friend of mine fly in from New York that he was restoring

some transams and did a lot of like stock builds and mostly like the rare cars the Ram Air

4's the super duties the cars that people were spending the money on to actually build and not

smoking the bandit car that was worth 20,000 when you were done but he you know basically

kind of told me he's like you need to just if they want it done they're going to have to pay to

get it done because it's no matter whether it's a gremlin or a transam or a Corvette or

some super rare car it's all going to take the same amount of time if they're similar car similar

condition similar process you got to go through for you know body paint interior drivetrain you name

it you know it's all going to add up to be very similar so you just got to keep track of the

but you know time materials and so it was an evolving process but it for us I had to develop

software to do it so it was easier to keep track of the guys you know working on the cars and

knowing exactly what they were getting done in a time in the day and and then at first we were

taking pictures with everybody had their own digital camera at the time little cards out and

take the cards and I had had somebody download the pictures and stuff the end of the day you know

and then it evolved into you know iPads and obviously their phones and it's you know to where it is today

it's a customer as a private link to where they can actually pull up see exactly where their cars at

today and not have to call and find out how many hours I worked on it what I did pictures of it

before and after just makes it a lot easier for them to be up to speed and not have to call every

day and ask what's going on yeah well it's a great skill set to have you know your prior experience to

help launch this properly because that's that's probably the that's that's the area where everybody

kind of loses it in the hot rod industry right it's a lot of very talented guys yeah great metal shapers

great builders and all that guys with your background that yeah even if you had the have the correct idea

of you should be tracking it and we need to charge for this and all that the the mindset to come up with the

way the most efficient way to track those things you know to where it doesn't become more more time

tracking it than you are even there's nothing to track because all you're doing is tracking yeah well for

us it all we had to do something because when we started our band the bandit run it was there was an event

that we came up with in 2007 that is still going today and it kind of catapulted us into getting a lot more

business a lot quicker faster and we had to basically kind of like you guys now split between two different

buildings and stuff immediately we had to buy another building move my assembly process to another facility

and you know eventually try and grow everything on the campus that we're at now so but the have the

having the software in place and stuff helped helped us tremendously grow and try and not you know lose

what you don't need to lose but also keep track of it to make it easier for our customer base to understand

what we're what we're doing and how long it's actually taking to get something done especially when you know

we first start working with certain vendors products and stuff to put them in the cars whether it be suspension

breaks whatever it is you know we want to know how long did it take on you know Bob's car when we did his car

so then we go back to do the next case car at least we have a rough idea doesn't mean it's going to be the same

thing because every was different every it's all they've all got their own challenges but we have a you're

building the whole database of times and tasks basically as best as possible to at least give us a somewhat of a

range as much as possible so like you know installing a vintage air system in this particular year making model

of a car but there again did have air when it started was it an on AC car in the cars that are you know from

dry states are completely different than cars that are from you know wet climate states rusty states you know you're

going to the whole process is different how what you're whether that car sat outside inside there's just so many variables

on these old cars that you don't know what you're going to get into you know how do you manage the different

text than if you're if you're looking at that because you know technician a he could probably install that vintage

air unit 12 hours technician be maybe it's a little less experience it could take him 24 hours you just sort of average

that does it give you like a benchmark to push guys to hold them accountable well for the most part for us we try and

streamline that part of the process to those texts so the guys that actually know it know how to do it are the ones

that are going to do the work so we found out right away that just like you say if they haven't done it before

maybe they're not going to learn as quick as the the last guy that did it sure but then also things get the parts can

change they're ever evolving the control system the wiring how the vents are going to work in this particular car it all

could be a little bit different and you know that's all evolved but we try and keep the same group of texts that are

doing that assembly doing that that actual fitment you know Tyler for the most part overseas the shop in general as

our foreman but he really focuses in on the pro touring builds and stuff so all the customization with you know the

modern motors modern drivetrains gauges wiring suspension all that stuff so and so he'll guide the texts accordingly to

you know and teach them hey you need to do this way and then they can they can rock right through it and get it

done and yeah just like anything once you've done it once or twice it's going to be way easier the next time it's been a

lot of times where I'll be building a car and there'll be another one coming up and I go you just follow me step by

step just keep up with what I did yesterday and match it just so they can get an idea of how these cars are supposed to go

together if they have questions I jump back over help them but great segue into Tyler when did you come on board

2010 so 16 years they're wow yeah I was 20 years old he was working at the local Chevy dealership and that was when Dave

was playing with the fifth gen Camaro's doing the Banshee Trans Am conversions oh yeah yeah they had sent one of the cars back

over for some warranty work or whatever it was and I'm like you just avoided the warranty no I go I go where's this shop

or like who built this and they're like oh they're like five miles down the road and like alright I'm going to lunch

because I had just graduated from Wiotek for motorsports chassis fab the dealership was just a Wiotek is going to have to

start paying us I was about to say I don't know if we got to reach out to Rick love to get the sponsorship from

vintage air for this episode or I'll hit him up I've always got quite a lot of Wiotek Rick always answers on my

off the wall questions he's quick to respond to emails so I'll give him that that one's free Rick Rick takes care of

yeah so you went down there and said this is the cool stuff that I went to school for I go this is what I went to school

for and Dave's like cool yeah maybe we'll think about it and I ended up having to come back the next week and be like

hey did you think about it and finally one day he's like sure if you want to start go ahead gave me a job and I'm like

I'm not leaving until you say yes or at least give me a shot so persistence is I got thrown into Minitub 4 link on

first week yeah that was intimidating but learned that knocked out a lot of those learn the custom sheet metal side of it

always like the electrical so that was kind of easy for me but and then it just evolved into more and more processes until I was

kind of in the corner just putting stuff together by myself did you have at that point in time did you have things like

segmented out or is it just build shop because if you're doing you know the firebird conversions on the fifth gen

you know and then you've got you know rest oh my you know four link custom blah blah and then you've got like just

not bolt restoration stock stuff is it just all in the same shop running through yep pretty much yeah but that we had

certain texts that yeah we we try and have the you know the stock guy that does the stock restoration the stock builds

it's way easier if he just stays focused on that right and then Tyler pretty much stayed on the customization and stuff so

modern modernized drivetrain modernized suspension getting into the LS motors wiring gauges you name it so pretty much

stayed down that path with him and we're all in the same shop but doing our own thing separate things that plan that intentional

from the beginning or just kind of evolve into it is pretty a lot of hot rod shops it's like one guy kind of follows

the entire car start to finish and then others are a lot more departmentalized you have bringing more guys in there

specialized so we are still what I mean we have a body shop so we have a separate division that's going to do all

your metalwork your fab work your you know panel fitment painting and stuff like that but you know a majority of all

the assembly and stuff is going to go you know back over to the technicians or he is as much as we can we want him to

help disassemble and get the car apart and then know what parts we need to keep and what parts we need to disseminate

the parts have to get sent off to get redone that way he can't find it's on him like you're the one that took it apart

so as much as we can that's the goal on the majority of the builds and stuff through the shop but I like having guys that specialize

within a group of responsibilities for them it's hard I have you know texts that come in and they are like I can do it all and I want to do it all well

it's not necessarily how we do it here it doesn't mean that we might pull you over and have you help out if we are like in a crunch

something for a show client that just wants his car by Friday you know then we bring people over that can help knock it out and get things done

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we've got our assembly guys hanging panels we've got our guys that are installing windows and adjusting everything all the door seals that those two guys do that

can we borrow those guys sometimes the seals windows that's this guy's must be good we've got plenty of videos so we try to sound easy try to post videos for all the 7881 stuff so

those are tough windows to you there for they just that windows just like yeah flapping the breeze so yeah car comes over those parts go on then it goes to the mechanic he does all the all the wiring major major

mechanics back into a suspension then we'll hang front panels finalize wiring put the nose hood on so it gets passed back and forth a couple times just in different stages to where it's most convenient for both the mechanic and the assembly guy

but how many cars you are you working on any given time right now today in the shop 15 to 20

spread out between different processes or different stages has it been that number for a while

I would say that number is low

it might be low

it's including our south shop there's probably 30 yeah

so we we have another part of our shop that basically is

we'll have local guys that come in want oil change break job just my clutch itself in a chair

get the AC working whatever it is you know and help do that stuff but then they're great that also taken cars that that these guys have built and doing like some more test driving and checking over before something goes out the door to

because they're every you know working on different aspects and of different builds different type of processes and stuff even though punch list guys yeah and you know Tyler tries to do all his punch list but a lot of times you get tunnel vision when you're doing a punch list and you think you got everything covered

second set of eyes third somebody you something you didn't we do that shit all the time from steering brakes and ride quality and stuff some of those things are just objective right so you get a little bit of a

different perspective right so you there's not a definitive this is not right it's good to get different opinions for 949 inches is that too loud yeah right yeah some of the

stereo turned up yeah exactly yeah because they're making noise it's just how much how much right yes yeah that's a that's something that we we work through a lot I mean just recently I mean three of us all bounce back and forth and tell them to go hop in that car

hey man that car is out front take a look at it and I try not to you want to give your opinion ahead of time just tell me what you think

yeah get in the car tell me what you think yeah or be like Tim when I tell Tim like dude don't tell me just take it for right yeah it's pretty it's pretty fucking good man like yeah yeah dude just yeah yeah

all you do is go out and spin the tires didn't you Tim just come on

um these are the bandit run thing when that started how did that get started and why

well we were approaching I think it was the 30th anniversary of the movie and I had a gentleman a client of mine his name is David Hershey he actually worked for a news station out of Dallas he was up at our shop filming us

finishing some assembly on his black and gold 77 trans am tan interior four-speed car that I had found from the original family out of Arizona

we went and sat down over some Mexican and we were just kind of shooting the crap about hey well the anniversary is coming up what if we got in our cars and drove from Texas or Canada to Atlanta like Burt did the movie

yeah that'd be kind of fun so then all of a sudden my wheels start spinning I'm like I bet a lot of people would like to do this so I've registered a domain name put an ad in Hemings Motor News and in a couple of magazines that all it said was wanted you and your trans am and it had a phone number and it was my wife's cell phone

well it took off we were getting phone calls nonstop people that wanted to join in I didn't even know what we were in for when we got to the start of the event in Texarkana we started everything at their museum in Texarkana and we had hot rod TV DIY network

Hemings Motor News all different types of trade rags and stuff that just showed up I didn't even know they were coming they just wow they just and and Hemings actually bought a car off of probably through Hemings magazine

a black trans am sent it to a local mechanic and said get this car ready we're going to drive it to Texarkana well it ended up being the car that we worked on the most the whole way but but in general you know we had I think 40 some cars starting out 40 40 45 somewhere

and then by the time we hit Atlanta we were over 100 cars and I teamed up with year one because they were that you did some stuff in your one back in the day they were the big parts seller at the time Kevin King reached out to me and he's

working with Bert Reynolds and we'd like to be able to tie it into your band at run event and ultimately that's when they were getting ready to build the Bert Reynolds edition trans am so they had their first one done and chip foos was there

Bert was there we ended up basically going to road Atlanta is where we ended up and we had all the cars on the track and we ended up doing some a lot of slow mo video with all the black and gold trans ams leading all the rest of the cars and it was all it's all on hot rod TV and stuff

that's cool different episode so that that was a huge injection to our business and stuff at the time and the band at run was something that I worked a lot with with Kevin at the beginning because we always wanted to end in Atlanta but we would make different routes to get there and

Kevin had the big facility we could have a huge parking lot to park and there's plenty of stuff going on just on the outskirts of Atlanta and so it made nice but then as it evolved we kind of decided to start just doing completely different routes and having different

ending points and obviously I have car clubs from different parts of the country reaching out hey can you include our city include our club come to our you know town and here come through here whatever it is so it just evolved over the years and the only the only year we missed was the year of

COVID and otherwise we've done it every year since

2007 was the first year done it every year we are in pigeon for this year actually next week for the Pontiacs a pigeon forge teamed up with them they've been asking us for years to join their event so we're going to do something down there we're going to do

cruise down dragons tail with a bunch of the cars next week and and then just big car show and stuff so but it's fairly subdued compared to what we normally do in years past but next year is an anniversary year so every five years we'll go back to

Texas to Atlanta and it's going to be a pretty big event so we'll have over 150 cars this year will probably be somewhere in the three to 500 next year

that's a hell of a that wow so get you up that's cool

I've got a lot of pretty big stuff that's going to be happening we did were so in the 30th and the 40th anniversary for the bandit run we stretched over 15 miles long of cars mostly transams going down the highways and interstates we have to coordinate with

state patrol sheriff's department local PD everybody in the hallway because we are do you do that up front or do you just kind of pick them up as you go along and they pull you over

well we we do as much as we can up front but they actually will join us along the way and then they'll hand it off to the next

how does that work like that process who do you reach out to what kind of resistance are you met with or are they sort of is it like welcoming you with open arms

a majority of it's walking us welcoming us with open arms just because we're bringing a lot of business through their towns to their cities and it's something different that they just don't normally get I mean there's car shows that come

to towns and stuff but not a traveling car show like this that you're going to see a lot of the same you know types of vehicles and stuff and it's pretty neat to see a lot of transams firebirds and stuff going down the road even though we don't disseminate and you can drive a

Camaro Corvette I don't care what it is try just join us you know any fork and thing so we we it's it's it's fun and the police a lot of times will they just join in and be be a part of the the event where we're not it's not a race we're not trying to get get there as quick as possible we don't try and you know

get people to speed or anything obviously people can do they're going to do their own thing and if they do then they'll happen what happens they're all grown adults so say the events can happen either way the police are just happy to have a heads up and be able to staff a few extra people and be prepared for

yeah I know what's going on we all those cars coming through we try to just remind everybody that you know especially if it's during the day that hey there's local businesses people that need to get to work so on and so forth let them in let them do the thing because I mean we're like a traffic jam going down the road so and people don't like to get out of the out of line they don't like people cutting in front of them

yeah so but it's one of those things that once you've been on it before and you get used to the process and what it entails and it's it's actually helped spin off a lot of different types of events that are similar in others other cities and states and stuff to you know different names but at least it's getting people out in their cars to drive them and enjoy them and that's the main thing so

is that how you got hooked up with Richard Rawlings to the bandit stuff

um yeah actually his production agency the pilgrim reached out to me to get a hold of Bert

okay

and they were going to do the dream sequence for his dual show and so we helped provide the bandit cars the semi truck the cop cars we did all the filming at Bert's house with Bert and then I went on the road with them for two weeks and did all the filming in the Dallas area and then we ended up in Shreveport where we ended the

that and so then that's how I got teamed up with Richard and Dennis and then started doing different events with them over the years and including them and different things we had going on and whether it's different builds or different you know different things along the way so

or drinking beer

definitely drinking beer

you don't have anything you want to ask about or you're such a big Bert Reynolds fan this is like such a this is an opportunity for you

you don't go fishing in stock bonds that's not even

it's like go and look at this five pound bass I just caught and you paid to fish there

I mean I can ask it you know the answer

well no I just didn't know

oh that's not even

that's not even a question

if you want to know what the man

the man the man you know you have anything that you've wondered about him like he knows him he's hung out with us

he doesn't know him yeah I don't

well two things

I don't want to taint what I feel about Bert right because I don't want to know any kind of dip if you can be like yeah you know kind of a fucking hassle I don't want to know that right I don't want to know that

Bert is far from that

okay he is the most southern gentleman you'll you'll ever know and he's probably one of the smartest guys I've ever met

he could read a book this thick twice in a day and remember everything he read

wow and so and when he would watch a movie he would critique everything about it and go go back to square one and all the way through the guy when he would tell stories it was everybody was silent because he it was like this storytelling process

I bet he had stories

to the nth degree of things that you never even you know yes yeah and you know great stories the first time I actually got to hang out with him was in Las Vegas Kevin King and I flew out there it was when

Kevin was building the Bert Reynolds edition transams we were helping do some of the initial fab work paint work and then we'd send the car back and they'd do the assembly down at year one

Kevin and I went out and helped Bert at a signing he did in Caesar's Palace and so we kind of looked like big dude standing next to Bert while he's signing everybody's autographs but hanging out with him for dinner lunch and stuff like that but it was just

incredible the attention that he would get I mean we took him back to his room you know and he he was getting frail as the years went by I worked with them for over a decade

wow

and you know and obviously each year progressed accordingly but I mean at Caesar's we'd take him back to his room we'd open the door there'd be three sets of keys and notes

let underneath the door

perverts attention

my man

you got to understand though like

never stop laying it down

the difference I mean this is not drawing like a correlation stuff the you know Stallone was was

purposely

I'm not trying to make a difference

no I know that he was he was purposely more of a recluse and pulled away from your general Hollywood life but but Bert like early days Bert there he was for almost a decade if not a decade the biggest movie star on the face of the planet and owned Hollywood

owned Hollywood like if you if Bert especially with Burton Lonnie or if Bert was at your event or your grand opening or at your restaurant comedy club or at the thing that was the thing like he was president level of that's you got a black and white picture and it goes up in your establishment because

Bert was there it was a sign of accomplishment for your thing in Hollywood or all over the country like that was the thing that somebody talks about the good old days of any of these great places whatever the stories always like well so and so is there and Bert Reynolds was there one night

Bert Reynolds was there for the thing it it carried that type of weight for him now talk what you want to about all the different movies that he did in select that but he was a businessman and ran Hollywood for quite some time and it didn't hurt that was quite the ladies man

yeah he played some football he's south I mean there's so many things that was just like

so we helped with Bert obviously grew up in the in the Hollywood scene and around actors and stuff so at first trying to get him involved in the car community was very standoffish because he didn't know who to trust because it was that same way in Hollywood you know certain people he felt comfortable with certain people

burned him over the years but he would all you know but as time grew he got really liking the we would involve him in the different events obviously the bandit run he would show up at several different times we'd fly him in on a private jet and get him involved stuff going on

he'd even go on a short drive with us if you know to be included with all the cars and stuff which he enjoyed especially during the 30th we how long did it take him to realize that these are just car people that want to have fun and they

not they didn't want anything from it I don't know that it took him that long other than everybody wanted a picture and an autograph right and that's all they really wanted and maybe to ask him a few questions and stuff but you know they didn't really they want his money they

didn't want any of that kind of stuff they just wanted to get to meet the man so and he was always super nice and ready to do so and I mean we took him to Barrett Jackson and ran that car across the stage so that was one that a friend of mine ran across that car it was it needed to be restored we found out it was a car it was owned by Universal

Universal they wanted Bert involved so he got paid to be a part of the process and it was the first time and I don't know if it's the only time but I know it's the first time that they've ever had a complete standing ovation at Barrett Jackson

oh wow when he got out of that car on the stage I bet that was nuts to be up there it was crazy yeah but I mean we tried to explain to him the security that we were going to need for him and they didn't quite understand how how involved that was

so but it was it was fun and we talked about that a lot with with Craig and Carolyn and stuff and it was a very fun time and having him involved with you know different cars at their event and he was a car guy and we enjoyed you know bringing back some of the

history of the cars that he was involved with in the movies he was in so and whether it was not necessarily the car from the movie but at least a car that was recreated to be like it and then just to help help him relive some of that youth and things that he did with some of those

movies and then getting him involved with that and one of the very last events we did I think two months before he passed we actually took the bandit run down to Jupiter Florida we had it it was all in the area and we actually went to some different areas where they did some filming and stuff down there but we actually set up a

people could pay to be get their car at Bert's house in front of his house get a picture and have Bert sign their car right at Bert's place. Wow. And that was fun. That's cool.

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I wonder who has signed more dashboards Bert Reynolds and Shirley that's a great question.

So I know where you're going. You're trying to word this one better. What.

Go ahead. Just say it as it. No I like that question a lot. Who who signed the most. Now a similar but different question is how many of each of their signatures are on those things because how many of the Carol Shelby ones and probably the Burt ones do you think are real.

I don't know. Couldn't tell you. I'm sure there's letters of authenticity. Just like we always talk about how there's there's you know how many 32 fourths that they really build and how many are real.

There's a lot of Carol Shelby signatures that Carol never signed. Probably right because I'd say about 75 percent of the Cobras seem to have have.

They're like popping up now like just finished brand new. Carol Shelby's.

I think that's a water slide decal.

What was that comedy movie we used to always joke about. They had original bandit car movie or original movie car from the bandit.

Do you know what it was like early 2000s. They owned a car dealership and they had a bandit car up on a pedestal. Yes actually that was a car from that we built that was in that movie.

Yeah. Is it at odds. What is it. It's not the goods. The good. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. OK. So yeah. I remember the good. I didn't think it was from the good. Yeah that was it was sitting up on the David Hershey.

David Hershey. That helped me that helped me spin off the idea for the bandit run and he's still him and his wife Laurie are still involved in helping run the event every year and plan what we're doing.

They were living in California. They moved to California after they left Dallas and he was in California. I got a phone call from Hollywood because they were going to produce this movie and they needed a trans am for the show.

So I'm like hey David Hershey's got one of our cars. It's black and gold trans am it's out there. They put they used it and actually it was in that movie. That was his car. That's awesome.

That's that I'm surprised that movie hasn't been brought up on here. That's a phenomenal movie. I don't know the movie. Have you not seen it. No I've never seen it with Jeremy Piven. Yeah.

I played you the. He's the one for America. I get some of the reference. I have not watched that movie. It's so good. I think business cards. I sell cars. Motherfucker.

I forget I'm sending myself an email right now. I think that's got to be a little b-roll plugged in because anybody that hasn't heard $30.

$30.

Sir there's no smoking on airplanes. I know it's ridiculous isn't it. Don't worry about it. I'll be quick. And it starts with the ashrays and it ends with all of our precious freedoms being stripped away.

And now you can't do one damn thing without someone reporting you to the Department of Homeland Security. Am I right? Listen to Don.

I had to take my pants off and nibble my old spice down to three ounces just to get on the plane Stacy. They made me throw out my mouthwash. I had to give up my bath jellies. They made me breastfeed some old man.

That's what I'm talking about. But we don't have to take it Stacy. Like Henry David Thoreau and Rosa Parks and David Lee Roth when he left Van Halen we can say enough. Enough injustice.

And when you and I are old and gray we can look back on this and remember when we were 30,000 feet above God's green earth and we smoked one. We smoked one for America.

Heard him talking about selling the metal or the opening line where he lights the cigarette on the plane is unbelievable.

They have the Nigerian buyback.

Yeah a lot of gr...

Yes I've seen the references. I've never watched the entire movie.

It's very good.

All right. I just sent myself an email. I had to do that on air. But I'll forget if I don't.

It's been like the second or third time it's been brought up.

Where do you... how is the business of a restore a muscle car and everything you've got going on? But specifically the car build side of things. How is it different now than it was say 10 years ago?

I mean other than growing I think we're up to 25 plus technicians now and the cars are more evolving towards cars that people can drive on a regular basis to jump in, turn the key and go and take it on the bandit run, drive it to work every day, whatever it is.

They just want to use it more.

But I just... that's a big part of why we're here because obviously we have quite a few of your chassis and stuff in the shop now and it's not just for transams.

You know Camaros and Paulas trucks you name it. But it's just trying to build the best quality.

The best experience that we can give the customer.

Yeah.

It's all that matters.

Yeah, see the industry as a whole we've talked about this before that parts have gotten really good. The industry is just evolving and it's in such a good place that years ago you couldn't build a car like you can today.

You know you try your best. You couldn't really give a customer something that was that reliable or that enjoyable. You can make a car fast, make it look cool.

It wasn't that awful long ago we all remember that you couldn't really do power windows all that good. You couldn't give a customer a power window conversion that was really all that great.

It might move up and down and not have a failure but it's... there's a lot of things that come a long way.

The evolution has been great. Let's give Rick one more... one more little shout out. Gen 5.

Right? And you talk about when you get a technician that just now figured it out. And sure that kind of sucks right because we've been down that path we engineered things that the Gen 4 fits in.

We've got brackets and we're like damn this is now obsolete but a better product came out. So you got to grow with it and you decide it's great to see that.

I mean we were driving them way less back then however even when you were driving something and you'd get out maybe you're gone in it most of the day.

Hot summer day putting miles on something. The air condition just stayed on high cold and you might get some breeze off of it right?

You were using the fan.

You were using the fan. There's times in the last several years you know you're on a road trip doing something like that. You're turning the air off or way down.

You're like it's freezing it because you forget about it until you realize that your frost is coming out. Hey turn that down.

It's cold.

For the first eight years that we did this for a living I don't think we made one AC system work. We incorporated all sorts of...

You installed them.

Oh we installed them and all the motors ran. All sorts of 32-forced. But it was a common... maybe you got one to work but then it was on a V-belt that you couldn't get any traction on the compressor.

There was some element of it that just wouldn't work.

The condenser was that big too.

Right.

Or you decided to...

There was a road straight and you just recycling the humid air and it just started pissing water.

You had to hard line the whole thing to make it look cool and polish it all and then get a pinhole somewhere right?

Oh yeah.

Or God forbid you made one that actually worked but then you buried the AC controls up under the dash because you didn't want to see them.

So you couldn't get at them anyway. You'd be driving on the road.

Which way?

This way. Oh it's blowing. Oh it's hot hot hot.

That's... I think you're right though.

Given that experience and then with that is those customer expectations because of the demographics have changed.

The types of cars that they're into has changed.

The parts had to get better because there's expectations gotten higher and finding out what that...

We've talked about that. It's probably one of the most talked about topics is finding out what that customer wants to do.

Like I always talk about what's the dream that they're trying to recreate. What's the thing that you say?

Is it backwoods? You know, fast as you can go by yourself?

Is it cross country cruise?

Which is very rare anymore.

Right. Cross country cruise with you and your wife and your kids and you know which comes other creature comforts?

Is it once every couple of months? Is it just to have and look at?

None of this is right or wrong. It's like what's the thing? What's the dream?

Where do we need to focus to make this car the best suited for you?

If you tell me you want to go... You're going to drive it once and that's to do the Texas 2K.

We're going to build it a certain way for something like that.

Right? And if you tell me, hey, this is from my 17 year old daughter to drive back and forth to work.

But I've always wanted a thousand horsepower.

It's like... Let's have those discussions. Let's start asking those things.

We don't even talk about style until after.

But what's the story that you're trying to recreate? What's the dream? What's the thing?

The day you get it and you have the time, what's the first thing you go do with it?

You know?

Well, how do you approach that?

I'm really like a haul a dirt bike with it. All right. It's a Mustang. So let's figure out what...

How do you approach that with those customers? You talked about at the very beginning the sentimental value of these cars.

It's a car that's been in the family.

So maybe this is second, third generation, a 28 year old kid, 30 year old kid.

They inherited or they've acquired dads or grandpa's 70 trans am.

And they want to do something with it. Do you guys steer them into...

Maybe they're not big car guys. Maybe they don't fully understand.

Do you take the reins and do you steer them into something that's drivable, that's modified?

Or do you make that car exactly what it was? It's sort of your duty to...

It's kind of on a case by case basis on what's happened to the car over the years.

Is it still original? Is it low mileage? Should we leave it the way it's supposed to be?

Or is it not worth anything the way it is? So let's make it fun and make it usable.

I try and get a customer to step back and be like...

Just like you were saying before, how do you plan on using it when you get in that car for the first time?

What are your goals with it? And can we focus that build based on what those goals are?

It's like when we first started building cars and we started doing high performance motors, suspension and things like that.

It doesn't even matter. It could be a stock build too. I have a customer show up and we're used to...

We don't want to go out and blow up a car so we'll put some test miles on it but we're not going to spin the tires off of it.

But that customer is going to come in. That first thing he does is he's lighten it up through every gear going down the road out in front of the shop.

And it's like we didn't even try that. So if something is going to happen, it's going to happen.

So we had to start treating these cars.

Stepping up our game on the driving portion to make sure they were ready for the customers.

I understand that.

It's a different... You've got to learn...

There's so much to that conversation because we've been doing it all for so long.

We all learn every day by being a customer in different things and realizing you learn so much through that.

You're like, man, I've always approached it a certain way because you ask those same questions.

Like what are you planning on doing with it?

But there's so much more to that question because the guy's like, well I'm planning on driving it.

And I'm like, well I want big brakes.

We're down in Alabama. I went to a gun show and I was talking to a guy about thermal and night vision.

He's talking to the guy about the helmet and the night vision and all this stuff.

You're playing Army again.

Yeah, 100% of playing Army.

But I'm talking to him. I'm asking him all these different details and the differences between these different night vision and the white phosphor here and this stuff.

And he's asking us, what are you planning to do?

And I'm answering him like...

Did you answer him truthfully that you're going to lay in your yard with Army fatigues and pretend you're...

Oh, he's going to put them on a shelf.

Yeah, but...

What are you going to do with that?

That's the point of the story.

Okay, keep going. Sorry.

He's asking me like, hey, what optics do you have on your gun when you're planning on shooting this?

You're going to do passive aiming. You're going to do this kind of stuff.

And I'm telling him like, dude, honestly, I just want night vision.

I want to go out at night and be able to see that one or two times.

And then I'm going to have it in my space to have night vision.

I'm never going to train and shoot at night.

But if I ever have to shoot at night, I'm the guy that's got night vision.

He's like, that's all I need you to know. No problem.

Then you need to look at this.

The point to that is I was honest about saying what I wanted it for.

And that's sometimes you got to get to that on the customer thing of like, look,

you know the technical terminology about this stuff.

You know some of the cool things.

You got to have three, there's things that are set in stone in these cars,

especially on pro touring and muscle cars.

I got to have 355s, 345s on the back. I got to have 345s.

And anyway, we can get a 305 at least on the front, you know,

and then you start going and like, what are you wanting to do with it?

What do you want to do? Well, I mean, me and my wife, this is going to be our first road trip.

You know, I'm retiring or whatever we're going to do. We're going to do the coast.

305s are probably not the answer.

Let's make it a road tour vehicle.

You want it to grab every crack in the road.

But they get and it's not a bad thing.

It's not that they're, I'm putting myself in the shoes of like, well, these are the cool things.

I just want it. to have it.

But now I'm also wanting to have it and do something with it.

And the thing I'm wanting to do with it is counterproductive.

It's counterproductive or the things I'm wanting is counterproductive to the thing I'm trying to do with it.

And then getting to that. And it's not like you're trying to steer them in a bad direction.

It's not most of the time you're taking less money from them.

Most of the time it's like, you can have, look, we're going to make it where it's got power.

It's going to sound great. Right?

It's going to give you a little bit of a scare and stuff.

And there's times for the twin turbo Nelson, right?

There's times to call Tom, but there's getting to that root of it is often more difficult than you think it should be.

Because you think that the guy's just going to come in and be like, yeah, I've got this money.

This is exactly what I'm planning on doing with it.

These are the must haves. These are the nice to haves.

But they don't have, especially a 28 year old kid that he's recreating a dream that he's never even experienced before.

He's never driven that car stock or modified.

The oldest car he's ever driven is a 99 Honda Civic and he thought that was a piece of shit.

Right?

True.

And it's like, we've got a different bar here for that.

You don't need the 72 Trans Am completely stock. You'll hate it.

Have you ever had the ability to put somebody in an original muscle car that doesn't know what they're in for?

Like a bone stock and have them push the clutch and shift the gears on a four speed.

Like somebody that thinks they want an original muscle car that's maybe significantly younger than somebody that's ever experienced it.

What's the feedback? What's the response?

I mean, when they can't drive a stick.

Or when it takes two feet to push the clutch pedal down.

Yeah, I mean, I have a collection of cars that have as little as 16 miles in my collection to our full pro touring build card.

So I try and keep stuff around that if I need to, I can put somebody in something.

If we need to gauge a person.

Yeah, that's good.

And their abilities.

But you're the point. Yeah.

I was starting out, you know, we did a car for a gentleman out of Florida and, you know, he thought this was what he wanted.

And then when he got the car home, then it was a, well, actually, this is now what I want.

You know, you don't know until sometimes you have what you think you want.

And then all of a sudden you see something else or then all of a sudden you get in your driving and it's like, well, it's not done.

Feel the same as my new car or whatever it is.

And they're not used to the clutch, the stiffness, how the brakes are going to stop them different than their new modernized brakes and everything, you know, in between.

So, but it's.

That was the story of convertible chouvel, right?

It's the exact.

Yeah, we've got.

He's, you know, he's of the age that he probably experienced a car like that, but he bought a beautifully restored 72 chouvel.

I mean, perfect, not bull really well done.

I mean, surprisingly well done.

Nice, nice, nice.

And just found that the car was kind of useless to him.

It just he wasn't like a collector.

He wasn't looking for the showpiece, the trophy to put in his garage.

And he realized all it was just something that kind of smelled like gas, made the garage stink like gas and he couldn't really drive it.

So, you know, we took it.

He was sort of money ahead, even though it wasn't a cheap car to buy, but didn't have to do the paintwork or didn't have to do any of the detail work.

Pulled it right off that chassis that I mean that chassis, the drive shaft had the markings on it, everything on the frame was mint.

And then factory AC car, everything yarded it all off smooth the firewall on a fast track chassis, LT 4 10 speed.

And he's blown away.

He's blown away.

He's never experienced anything like that.

Picked it up, drove it for the first time just recently and mind blown as to how the car works.

People can't understand.

Number one, they don't fully understand how bad the cars are originally.

That's the biggest misconception, I think.

Yeah.

Number two, they oftentimes don't realize how good they can be.

But then you get that element too of like people want like, you know, there's some women who are like, I want like a cute old truck.

There's nothing cute about an old truck with a four speed in it.

I think it's going to be a monster to drive.

There's the visual of seeing the truck on the hills in Nashville, Tennessee, you know, like a little Mexican blanket on the seat.

And it's like, sure, that looks picturesque.

They all need no motor in it and a hitch.

You pull it up there with a tractor, take your pictures with your fall flowers or whatever and then let it roll back down the hill.

But things have changed.

Yeah, things have changed.

But it still has the look of the thing that drew him to it in the first place.

It still looks like this, you know, the 72 Chevelle and has the look.

It just, he's able to enjoy that.

Again, nothing wrong with the stock stuff.

It's finding out that customers want and need, right?

Right.

As if it's a collector or for nostalgic purposes of putting it back exactly like it was original, you know, for whatever reason, that's fine.

And the expectations are set appropriately at that point because they're getting what they truly want.

We're probably a 50-50 shop right now towards, you know, stock with some minor modifications to full pro touring type stuff, suspension chassis.

And when I started there, it was 70-30, like bone stock, nut and bolt.

And so it's been really nice transition to get away from that because that's honestly harder than the pro touring builds.

I mean, there's so much freedom with a pro touring build.

You can do what you want.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'll say I don't want to cast in too much doubt with people about driving those cars because I will say that driving that, I get that 70 Trans-MI was a 60,000 original mile car.

And the car was like pretty dialed when I mean, short of some patina.

Driving that car was probably one of the most impressive muscle cars that I've driven that's been through the shop.

Those cars drive pretty damn good.

Like sway bars, big sway bars front and rear.

Like that car was halfway pleasurable to drive.

It was a little worn out, right?

But for a muscle car, that's a pretty good car.

I mean, light years ahead of like a C2Vet, a lot nicer than driving any of the old Chevelles.

Like anybody, yes, anybody stuff that's front suspension was.

All over the place.

Yeah, not all bad.

How do you guys get into the four wheel drive market?

How did we?

Yeah.

So he's always loved the four wheel drives.

I mean, he's always had Blazers growing up.

Yeah, and it was kind of one of those things that I think definitely would have in Tyler on board and stuff.

I started dabbling in the off road trucks before they really got popular.

So probably 10 years ago.

So I had quite a few trucks when square bodies became popular.

And then between the two of us, we just started picking up every rest free one we could.

I mean, the first generation Blazers and trucks and I started buying them like everywhere I could find one.

I don't care what condition it was that we were getting it.

And we had a lot of them.

And we actually had too many at one point in time.

We ended up having two toys.

We ended up having an auction called the 100 square body auction we teamed up with Todd Carpenter, who's a big square body guy.

Big fish garage.

He really good friends with Tyler and stuff too and a lot of his buddies.

Anyway, we went to Grand Island.

We moved a majority of my truck and Blazer inventory and stuff out there with his and we put on this big auction and brought in people from all over the world.

And it was full online auction and sold a whole bunch of trucks.

But it was a daily lineup out front of 40 to 50, 68 to 72's and then into the square bodies.

I'm more of a square body guy, but Dave was always bigger into the 67 to 72 stuff.

In that realm, I think he's came around to the square bodies again.

Yeah, I mean, I've always liked them all, but I've had almost too many of the first generation.

So I kind of really overdid it.

It doesn't mean that I still don't have a soft spot for those vehicles.

But I'm definitely more involved into the square body stuff.

There were hundreds of them over the course of two years.

We had a lot.

Did you have a shit ton of matchbox cars when you were a kid?

Just when you find one.

Hot wheels.

Hot wheels, not matchbox.

Nobody had matchbox cars.

The K5 is the 67 to 70's, 72's.

They just feel like old trucks.

To me, a square body, I've grown up with them almost and they didn't really change.

They ran into 91 basically on the suburban.

So they don't feel, I mean, I drive one, I've got one.

They just don't feel like old trucks.

The K5, the 60's.

It's an older truck.

It's not an old truck.

Yeah, the earlier ones, the K5, they feel like.

They feel old.

Like a 67, 68, Camaro versus 69.

There's a lot of things that went plastic in the 69.

Those feel like old cars.

The 69 I grew up with, the 69 doesn't feel that much.

I mean, sure it does, but not to that level.

Those trucks will always be badass.

It's like, it's the, compared to the Bronco, it's like a man's truck.

Right, the Bronco.

Oh yeah.

Kind of buy a Bronco for your wife if you want one, you get a K5.

Making friends with old kids.

Am I wrong?

Oh no.

What am I wrong?

No, no, no you're not.

I just love the fact that you said it.

There's things we think and then there's things we say.

That's beauty editing.

No, we can either edit or we can turn it into a clip.

Yeah, whatever all you want us to do.

How do you feel in the 73 to 75 full roof blazers verse.

With a full chassis underneath them?

Probably okay.

The way they are in factory, still pretty soft.

I mean, they just, they didn't have the rigidity just like the 68 to 72s.

I just, I prefer the wind shield frame and pull it.

Yeah, just move it around.

You need to adjust door gaps.

You just push it as you go.

No, I prefer the full roof.

76 is probably my favorite year for the square body.

76 GMC grill is probably the best to me.

Yeah, we never had one of the early ones.

I like to look at them without the top on.

Hate them with the top on.

Yeah, short of building a jaws replica truck.

Yeah, just they don't do it for this.

The one air they're like a little something's a little off.

All right, we're coming to standard questions.

I want to give this it's due because we got a lot of them and we got two people.

So these get fun standard questions is brought to you by good guys, rod and custom.

First up, you mentioned two vehicles that you drove.

Were either of those your first vehicle, the blazer.

I know that obviously the Trans-Am wasn't, but was the blazer a first vehicle?

It was not like a first first vehicle.

Okay, then great.

We try to guess the first vehicle.

So I didn't know if that was given away.

What year did you graduate high school?

89.

In Nebraska.

Yep.

Your first vehicle was a gift or did you purchase it yourself?

A gift.

Dad only use car lot.

Yeah, let's say fix it up and give it to you type thing or I'm going Bronco to just firing because I've learned from my mistakes of not saying what comes to mind Bronco to little Bronco.

I like the call.

I like the call of rare Bronco to reference and citing the.

I'm still thinking we're going to ask Tyler the same questions and give multiple informations.

What year?

2002.

2002 graduation 2009.

Oh, shit.

2009.

It's tough.

That's the era that I said today, but I can drive it 14.

From Wisconsin.

No, I had farm permit.

Oh, damn it.

2009.

You drive it 14.

So that's 05.

Ish.

Same question.

Family hand me down vehicle something you acquired.

That was something that was on the farm.

Yeah.

14.

He just started driving.

It's a long beds single short cab, you know, single cab something.

Whether that, you know, he still has a square body sort of fetish after all these years.

Maybe it's a, it's probably 80s.

Now it's probably OBS because I'm seeing two wheel drive a little impractical given the climate,

but two wheel drive long bed.

Chevrolet Chevy OBE like 90.

Okay.

80 and 90 is what I'm going with.

Got a little two tone on her.

A factory two tone.

Shop new blink 2k video doorbells at Amazon.com slash blink.

This is a, I'm going just got, this is completely out of very similar, but this is going to be mid 80s dodge extended cab.

Long base.

Yeah.

That year dodge the one that you're like, Oh wow.

Not in the Midwest.

Those, those rusted away two years after they came out.

Farm truck.

A dodge.

No, no.

Just telling you.

No dodge farm trucks in the Midwest.

Just guessing.

And, uh, man, I want to say Fox body Mustang for some going with.

I mean, that's my guess.

Fox body Mustang.

Would have been basically brand new.

Yeah.

Well, it could have been like a square.

It did 70.

Yeah.

It started in 79.

Well, fire away.

What do we got?

I'm going to go, I'm going long bed square body hand me down.

So I technically had pretty much all of those things except for the dodge right off the bat.

But the first vehicle I drove on a regular basis was a 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

That was moms.

She got something else and I ended up with that because it was reliable to a green purple,

the dark black purple.

Yeah.

But there was a gold trim on it.

Didn't it?

No, it didn't.

Thankfully, it didn't have the gold trim.

Fire.

You said the purple one with the cold trim.

So that was the first one I drove on a regular basis.

There was a 88 extended cab long box GMC.

Okay.

That was dad's old truck that when it was really snowing, we took that.

And then shortly after there was about 10 Fox bodies.

Damn.

So Dave, what about you?

The first car was an 80 Cutlass Supreme 50 series tires on the back.

Crigger SS is jacked up in the back.

Deck shelf speakers.

Oh, yeah.

That's a main machine in blue with a blue vinyl top.

And then shortly after that, which was very quick, I went right into an 84 Transam,

five liter, five speed silver, I think gray interior.

And that that was a low mileage car that my dad got in on trade.

And so I bought it.

Wasn't that old either?

No, I was like brand new.

It was a really nice car.

And so then that's when I started on my blazer kick.

So then I started picking up different blazers.

I think before I even graduated from high school, I don't know.

I probably had at least a dozen blazers at one point in time.

But I had quite a few different ones over the years.

But I went from my 84 Transam to my 72 Lucy blue, white interior, four speed air car 455 HO.

And it had 23,000 original miles on it when I got it.

I bought it out of Hemmings Motor News.

I stayed in the garage.

I think my mom had to park outside if I remember.

And then I bought 73 or 4.

I think it was 74.

It was done in 56 Corvette yellow blazer, fully removable top.

Never had the top on.

So drove that to school all the time.

It had 33s, three inch exhausts straight out the side.

Off headers.

So it was loud.

But those were my high school cars.

And then I started playing with different stuff.

In college, I went from my 79 tram.

My 79 tram went from the 72 to the 79 and then to a 70 Transam, a blue, blue four speed car.

And I had an opportunity.

I had sold my blue car back to the guy that I had bought it from, my 72 high school car.

And he had it, kept it for like 10 years.

And then when my wife and I got married, we had just built our first house.

He reached out to me and said, I'm going to sell your car if you want it.

You can buy it.

I thought too long on it.

A buddy of mine was trying to talk me into buying a Corvette at the time.

He sold it to a guy in North Carolina.

I think it was a dealer at the time.

He did some paint work to it.

He ended up selling it and went back to its original state of Wisconsin where it was new.

And shortly after that was when I kind of got into the building of my shop and restored muscle car.

And I started going to the Transam Nationals and him and his wife actually that owned that 72

flew out to the Transam Nationals to come and find me, talk to me about fixing up this car that they owned

and come to find out it was my old high school car.

And then two years later, they had an unexpected baby at Christmas and I had a chance to buy the car back.

Wow.

I still have it.

That's awesome.

Favorite or most say favorites wrong way.

Most memorable law enforcement interaction story.

I know mine.

Oh, with all those Fox bodies, you probably have quite a few.

So you know, my parents were both dispatchers.

So I knew all the local police.

So there was very few interactions.

I knew where to do things and where not to.

But they were significant when they were.

No, there really wasn't anything.

I have zero tickets on my record.

So now.

But my most memorable was in Purple Jeep.

I was 17.

I was the farm kid worked at the local grocery store.

And so all those city people I worked with, they were having a big party out at the lake.

So I was in charge of getting all the beer.

So there is 11 cases of beer in the back of the Jeep.

And I'm driving to a lake that I've never been to cruising along the dam at like 35 miles an hour.

Sheriff coming towards me.

So I'm like, all right, just play it cool.

35 miles an hour.

He pulls me over.

Why were you going so slow?

Speed limits 45.

And I'm like, you've got to be shitting me.

So he's looking in the Jeep and he sees the corner of one case of beer.

And he goes pull over to those dumpsters and go dump it all up.

It starts pouring rain.

So I popped the trunk of it and I'm opening up cases, dumping.

And I get eight cases deep, dumping them into this trash can and he's just laughing with his window sitting there behind me.

It was nice about it.

What he didn't know is there were still three underneath the flip and fold seat up front.

We got back in the truck and left and went back into town and forgot about that party and went and had our own.

It's pretty good.

Never heard of anybody getting pulled over if we're going under the speed limit.

Yeah, me neither.

I'm like, this is ridiculous.

He's like, you look really suspicious.

Yeah.

Yeah, and he ends at 10 and two 35 miles an hour.

Um, for me, I don't know that there was anything other than just some typical speeding stuff, you know, when I was younger.

But I think my most memorable experience with a police officer was our first year of the Bandit run when we actually drove from Texark, Canada to, I think, Tupelo, Mississippi.

And that was our first stop.

When we first got out on the road and we had all these trans Ames going down the highway and that we didn't talk about speed and, and, you know, the law or anything like that.

We just all started started going so that as you get that many cars going, we started going faster and weren't really thinking about it.

Obviously, we're going to run into a cop at some point in time along the way.

Well, we ended up the first set of cops we ran across and I'm, I got a row of, you know, 40 some trans Ames with me and I'm pretty much leading the pack.

But we're going over 100 miles an hour down the highway with all these cars.

There's two cops in the median out of their cars filming us going by and not even worried about how fast we were going.

But that's good.

That was pretty fun.

It's a win.

We've got one coming.

There's going to be a good law enforcement interaction coming because the, we're on this, we've got this tax chain going.

It's called the road tour bros.

We did this road tour last year.

Great name for it.

I didn't make it with a bunch of customers.

And something that recently came up was like one of the guys posted a picture of a speedometer as these crews and in a car that's designed to go pretty fast.

It was like 80, right?

So then obviously the harassment and the peer pressure comes in.

You're like, dude, don't send that shit if that's going to like 80 miles.

Are you serious?

Well, then the ones started coming through at like 120, 130.

That's the thing that everybody's like posting pictures of speedometers that sort of record breaking speeds.

And at some point, a lot of chat GTP to make it probably I would assume right.

But at some point it's going to go itself.

It's going to be fun.

That's how these stories happen though.

You got it.

You need stuff to talk about.

Absolutely.

Next up, we have from a good guys, good guys question, good guys submitted question.

You have a road trip, 1500 mile road trips to be exact up the coast on the PCH of the coast of California.

There's going to be one single CD stuck in the CD player.

What CD are you hoping that is?

I love this question.

It's a really good one.

Def Leppard.

Okay, which one?

Mysterio.

Yep.

Great CD for that road and run it back, back.

Tough to beat.

Honestly, Def Leppard in a transient.

That's as bad as it gets.

Is that a Jean jacket over T-shirt or is that you just get a special Jean jacket T-shirt that just...

I wonder what it is about the trans-am that's just always been kind of like a little bad ass, you know, like versus the Camaro.

It's just a little more bad ass.

It's like a Camaro, just more bad ass.

It is.

It was at the start of with the Camaro, they made the trans-am better.

That's what Pontiac did.

You put a little more American in the Firebird.

Camaro was, you know, kind of European inspired, right?

That's a good one for the listeners.

That's a good question throughout there.

What is it about the Firebird?

Not the Firebird.

The trans-am that made it more bad ass.

The same way back in the day.

First Jean, second Jean.

Think about the WS6 in the fourth Jean.

WS6 coming up.

This was bad ass, but it was like more refined and sports car.

You see a WS6 and you're like, oh fuck.

First Jean Pontiac's little, you know, a little bit of a quark.

Yeah, not the most popular.

No, they're not popular as much.

Probably because it's ugly.

Yeah, that would be...

Not that good looking, right?

I would say that would be the reason.

It doesn't look good.

Who was it that sent one that we told him we're not building it?

Was it convertible?

Remember?

The customer sent one.

Yeah, it was like a candy apple red.

Yeah, sent one in and we're like, no, dude.

It was Lance, wasn't it?

No, it was somebody else.

It was someone who was going to build it for his wife.

Was that a dude with the 67 Chevelle de Mercury?

Yes.

William.

Yes, William Fox.

Yeah, we said...

No.

Candy Apple Red convertible 68 Firebird.

Yeah.

What CD?

I really have no idea.

I'm not much of a...

Music listener?

I mean, I listened to everything.

He was born after CDs.

And he could ask.

You've got that.

Yeah, you've got that.

Okay, well, you've got to listen to something on repeat the entire time.

So what is it?

Probably hunting podcasts.

Really?

Yeah.

Gun stuff.

Yeah.

Of why thermals are way better than night vision.

Yeah, I get it.

But you've got to have, like, when you're a collector, right?

I think you need to go hang out with them, play in the country a little bit, you know?

You're like...

What?

Like, I'll fish out of water here, you're in the wrong...

I am.

The wrong place.

I know.

I get out and roam around the neighborhood late at night just to try to...

But that'll go over great in your neighborhood.

The HOA will love that one.

There's a guy who takes you time to get like spatial awareness and walking down the driveway.

Trust me, I feel crazy walking around in this stuff at night out in the country, let alone

in the HOA.

Oh, don't get it.

Why would you feel crazy?

Nods hanging off the top of your head.

Yeah, just fine.

You never know.

You're like hog hunting coyotes.

Yeah, hogs, coyotes, mostly coyotes.

Hogs would be fun.

That's something I've always wanted to do.

I just went down to Texas and did some hog hunting, ended up shooting more bobcats than

we shot hogs.

Really?

There's a couple of people I've been talking to about a possible trip for us down there

on a ranch just to eradicate hogs.

Helicopter.

Yeah, mini-gun.

It's a tremendous amount of fun.

The bobcats are a little dangerous, aren't they?

Those things are like...

Mountain lions are dangerous.

Bobcats are 20 pounds.

Okay.

Fucking pocket knife that bitch.

I see you getting destroyed by a baby.

A bobcat?

Yeah, like a small adolescent bobcat scream running for your life.

I bet you they fuck you up.

That is the night vision comes off and you throw it.

We gotta go.

We gotta go now.

Turns out you should be a barn cat.

It's a tabby.

It's a little feral cat.

It's the only downside of thermalism.

You have no depth perception.

I know.

Fuck you guys.

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You guys put on a hell of a good one, so that's tough to...

You can climb your own.

I definitely enjoy the Bandit Run, but actually I really like road course driving.

Doing things, you know, we actually...

The Bandit Run, we would actually focus on finding tracks and doing road course driving,

or not much for drag racing and stuff every once in a while,

but some roundy round tracks, but I really like the road course stuff,

where you have the in and outs, the ups and downs, and stuff like that.

I actually have really enjoyed that.

I've actually spent some time at the track with Rich Rinky from Turnkey Automotive

and done some time with him on the track,

and also the Dodge guys, I know a lot of the Dodge guys really well,

and been down and actually got certified in the Demon 170 and the regular Demon,

and stuff with all the guys that designed and built those cars.

What about you?

Automotive event.

I'm not much of a car show person per se.

I mean, obviously, I go to SEMA, Barrett, those are the things I have to do,

but event, your party was fun.

SEMA party?

Yeah, that's a good one.

That's an event now.

You can claim that as an event.

It's quite the event.

That's true.

Based on the pictures, it looked like it was a good time.

It did look like it was a good time.

I don't think most people remember a lot.

Now the pictures are definitely helpful.

I'm glad you got it.

That's a fun one.

Again, this year, it's going to be good.

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The next one up, again, brought to you by Good Guys, Rod and Custom.

What builders are out there in the industry that you guys follow or think are setting the trends?

Oh, gosh.

Other than you guys?

We will accept that.

Yeah, we'll take it.

We will accept that as an answer.

I've been good friends with the Ring Brothers for years, done a lot with them.

A long, long time.

Yes.

Yeah, they've been around a long time.

Yes.

Because they're old.

You never know.

Listen, it's been a while.

We've taken it easy on them.

We have.

We've got a little soft with the work.

We've got a special one coming up.

Are we going to talk about that or is that just going to be a surprise?

Yes, we can tease the fact that it is being locked down as we speak.

Ring Brothers Round 2.

Offsite.

In person out of studio.

Yeah.

Extravaganza.

Mike versus the whiskey.

At a unique location.

Yeah.

Hey, you guys need to help with this bottle because I really like to sign it.

We also might be, it might be a ruse as an intervention to move one of them into a home.

Who do you think is going in the home?

I think Mike is long before Jim.

You think so?

Yeah.

Mike doesn't know how to use a phone.

No, recently.

I'll get like a random call.

When I get a 6-0-8, I usually know it's something to do with the ring.

We got a number of shops and I get friends and stuff up north, so I pick it up and it doesn't come up with spam.

And it'll be Mike.

He's got like a random fucking cell phone.

He buys burners.

It's the pay.

Oh, it's a phone.

Who do you think is more excited that you answered or that Mike made a phone call that went through?

Oh, shit, someone.

I don't know.

What's crazy though is Mike's not like an old man.

He's a stylish dude.

Like the fucking guy.

And the fact that he just decided to not embrace any technology is a little shocking.

I think it's a little cool.

It is.

He's probably doing it better than all of us, honestly.

He's doing it right.

Lot-less headache.

Yeah, it really is.

He gets everything done that he needs to get done.

Jim, on the other hand, I understand.

But he unfortunately has access to technology.

They should flip flop it.

Because Jim, you know, you get the fucking this motherfucker, this cock, fucking this fucking cock.

Fuck this fucking cock.

And Mike will be like, hey, man.

Ring brother's a good answer.

Really good answer.

All right.

You could do, this is the build.

This is the one that everybody really enjoys.

Yeah, this is a good one.

Unlimited budget.

All the money in the world.

Build anything you want.

You're not building it.

You are having somebody build it, a shop group of people build it.

What is it and who's building it?

I think I know what you want.

Maybe.

She'll be like Fox body.

I mean, it's a long the same route, but.

I like that a lot.

I don't know why that one got me.

You're thinking off road Porsche.

Oh, actually Mercedes, I think.

Oh, the Goldwing.

Yeah.

I think I'd have Morgan Clark build me a blazer of some sort.

I'm a Morgan Clark fan, big fan.

That's a good poll.

The SL is also up there, but that's if there's no budget, I'm going to make more money off that one.

What do you look?

Let's hear more about this.

Like you just say, just let him roll.

Yeah, let him do his thing.

No budget.

He looks like he's good at the no budget thing.

He's really good at the budget.

Yeah, that's where he thrives.

That's what I really wanted to do in the beginning was off road trucks.

Yeah.

So like through Wiotek, another plug for them.

I built a full tube chassis Ranger in the course of three months with two other guys that worked on my project.

So when I got out of school, that's where I thought I wanted to be was the off road world.

Baja 1000, terrible herbs somewhere in Vegas.

I got offers to places in Chicago, ended up back home.

It all worked out.

All worked out.

Is it a Ranger or a motherfucking Ford Ranger?

Motherfucking Ford Ranger.

Extended cab.

That had a 46 with whatever automatic came in the 2000 Mustang.

Oh, rowdy boy.

Been C six, wasn't it?

And then you pay for it.

I would have been a.

I don't even want to say numbers, letters and numbers because they're going to be wrong for our 70.

Yeah, what do you think of the Ranger of Ries doing right now?

It's beautiful.

I mean, I haven't gotten a chance in the last probably month to catch up on any of his YouTube shows.

But yeah, it's called all of his work is over the top.

About you, Dave.

I'd probably a 73.

Trans Am surprise, surprise ring brothers.

I've never seen them do one over the top.

I don't even know if I've ever seen him do a Trans Am.

I can think about it.

Second Gen Camaro.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, right?

Yeah, which I love that car too.

But it.

I don't know.

I think something crazy over the top.

Interesting to see their take on that.

Yeah, would you give him any guard rails, any direction or just say.

Go for it.

More track based road course.

He loves rampage.

Yeah, we're just sitting out here going.

I love that car.

I'm like, we can build something.

Yeah, it makes sense.

It would be a similar taste to that car.

And then not pick the people that built that car to build it.

And that makes complete sense.

It's like the people that come to us be like, hey, look at this ring brother's car.

It's awesome.

Isn't it?

I want you to build the exact same thing.

Well, man, fucking call the ring brothers then.

I'm just kidding.

What year was that red Trans Am that we started 75 76.

That was a cool ass car.

And then just yeah, yeah, I wish we could finish that.

That'd be a cool start.

I should show you that rendering is like a rampage light ish.

Okay.

I'd probably dig it.

It's somebody should.

I wish that car would surf.

The guy kind of bailed on it and then just tucked it away somewhere in California.

Yeah, I got pretty far on the full sheet metal front end.

It was like we were pretty far through sheet metal.

Like the body was all straight.

Now we didn't get into that doing like the fender mod and stuff that was on there.

But it's pretty far along.

What happened with it?

But it's cool.

Render drastically different views on budget.

Is that what it was?

His budget didn't align with the motor that he wanted to purchase to put in the car, let alone

build the whole car around the motor.

Oh, yeah.

You know, you got to get that money right.

It might be right by the time you get the motor.

I mean, honestly, what you show me, it's not that bad.

Not really that bad.

Good guys.

They've got some things coming up.

What do we got?

Two things.

This is this is the season for the big ones, right?

Des Moines in Columbus.

Yeah, I mean, we could just do that.

So good guys.

Des Moines Columbus is coming up.

Yeah, first up is good guys.

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That's July 3rd through 5th.

So that encompasses the July 4th weekend, that day, July 4th.

Iowa State Fairgrounds, America's Birthday, and America's favorite car show.

Over 5,000 Hot Rods, Muscle Cars, and Trucks on display.

Act 5,000.

That's a lot.

Tell anybody in the industry, Des Moines.

Des Moines.

Yeah, I know.

But there's things that they're, you know.

You got to read, yeah.

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That's good old American fun right there.

I would like to see the Pinup Girl do the watermelon eating contest.

Yeah, I'd like to see the Pinup Girl bake, pie bake, and eat the watermelon.

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Done in an afternoon.

Good guys out across featuring the Optima Batteries.

Dual in Des Moines, shoot out on Saturday afternoon, and the Builders Choice Awards

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Then, kind of one we've claimed as our home show.

We claim Columbus is our home show, right?

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

It feels like the home show to us.

We've claimed it.

I didn't say anybody else has said it.

We've claimed it's the home show for us.

We're back at our flag.

28th Summit Racing Nationals, July 10th through 12th.

You guys come down to Columbus?

Columbus is a good show to go to.

We got a lot.

A little hot, but it's a good show to go to.

It's the biggest for good guys all year long.

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They made a mistake.

It's not a muscle machine.

They pick a muscle machine.

They pick a muscle machine there, but there's also, they didn't even talk about it.

There's also Street Machine of the Year there, like everybody knows.

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You can see the unveiling of the 2026 slash 2027 grand prize giveaway.

That's going to be a 66 Chevelle built by Tim at Gap Industries.

Then you can also see the awesome 40 Ford Coupe that was built by Roosevelt and Ben York.

The moonshine inspired.

Good cars, man.

They're giving that one away.

Beautiful car.

Then you got the good guys AutoCross featuring the Forged Line Buckeye Shootout and then the Builders Choice Awards selected by

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I think that should be a package deal where we build the trophy and they paint it.

It's been working pretty well so far.

I got an idea.

They build the trophy and paint it.

We'll design it.

We'll make their picks for them.

That way they don't have to walk around and do the whole thing.

That's the hard part.

They build 20 trophies.

Just put our logo on 10 of them.

Then we'll do the picks.

Equally as much labor.

Just significantly less dollars.

It'll be fun, man.

It's always fun doing the picks.

You get to sit down with those guys and everybody hashes out.

Kind of their picks.

You got to overpick the restful things.

It really is.

You got to overpick them.

You'd be shocked, honestly, at the level of detail and the amount of work that goes into that.

I think when you go to a good guys show, you might think that somebody walks by and just sticks a sticker on your car.

There's a lot that goes into that.

And their picks.

They're not being judged.

It's like, damn, that was cool.

It's what's amazing to me is when you do the duel, especially at Columbus because you got the trance at early year and us picking.

You're having to overpick because of those four or five wild cards.

We're just like, dude, that's just fucking cool.

We got to pick that.

There's something you can walk by and from 20 feet, that's picking.

And there's other ones that you spend an hour going over the details and that's why you're picking it.

Yeah.

And then how many of those both parties pick?

And it's like, damn it, dude, you get the last one.

We're getting this one, right?

And that's, it's really a lot of fun.

Rock, paper, scissors.

Yeah.

Or I mean, depends on each year who wins the trance at a Paul's not that big of a dude.

No, I used to not know.

Paul's like a sweetheart to his nice guy.

Yeah.

No, super nice.

Yeah.

We're just going to say, no, Paul, we're taking this.

I think we're taking this.

I think we're taking, we're actually, we've declared it.

Roach, your shop's getting 15 picks.

Dutch boys getting five.

And they're building the trophy.

Yeah.

And they're building the trophies.

Dude, that's, uh, yeah.

What?

Bad ass.

Pretty cool.

Heard he's got a Bobcat though.

What's next for you guys?

What's the future hold for a store muscle car?

What's coming on the pipeline?

What's happening where you guys headed?

New drivetrains we're playing with L eight T's to replace the LT fours.

So that's, I don't even know what it is.

So it's the truck engine.

The six, the 66

Okay.

And then.

What blowers are you putting on us?

That's got the Edelbrock.

So right now we've got 10 of them to try out.

Um, turnkey motorsports built all the bottom ends, cam, supercharger.

We've got all the specs item.

I don't know all the specs off hand, but kind of horse power they making 830.

Oh, that's the only spec you need.

I think so.

That was kind of where we landed.

And that's pump gas.

And we said, shut her down there.

Damn.

So, yeah, basically put that in a Bronco for my daughter.

Yeah, when we.

When the LT fours ran out, we went, what are we going to do?

Everybody, they're coming back.

Hopefully they're trying.

Have you heard?

I've heard.

Yeah.

Like actual solid June, July.

What?

Where?

Who's the source on this one?

I got a guy.

Okay.

I've been her in that for a lot of Junes and July's.

This second June, third June, July, July, July that we've heard that.

Um, you might be right.

Um, I can double check on that too.

So, but for how long?

I don't know.

Another June or July.

So they do know that the next June or July.

Uh, I'm pretty close with the head of Cadillac, Brandon Vivian.

Um, what we do.

That's a shout out.

He's a.

That's how you do a shout out.

You do give a shout out to somebody of importance.

He's a huge, uh, Pontiac Trans Am guy.

Actually, he's got, he bought a 70 blue blue Trans Am for me and gave it to his wife.

Cool.

Um, pretty much a survivor car.

Um, and he's got several cars going at any one time that he loves to play with.

Anyway, um, I just know that they've been having trouble with the LT four and, uh, the Cadillacs,

you know, black wing division is having a tough time with, you know, getting the motor.

So I think that's a big part of why, you know, if you driven one of those.

Yeah.

Are they that good that everybody raves about them?

Yeah.

Isn't that what trouble he has?

Yeah.

And, uh, David C 10.

He was raving about them.

I have a 20th anniversary black wing.

It's, um, pretty much a one of one car out of, cause he knows the dude from Cadillac.

21 May.

You gave him a shout out earlier.

And I have a cure and I have a curated car being built right now that'll be a one of one car.

Um, so, but, um, yeah, they're in absolute once you get through the break in phase on those cars.

I mean, they're so much fun to drive.

It's a four door animal.

Yeah.

So Kyle Loftus is a good, was a good friend of mine.

Yeah.

Kyle, you know, obviously rest in peace.

Kyle, he was a, uh, was a part of our shop when we first started actually.

Really?

Um, he would help come down and shoot photos.

I never met him.

Of our cars.

And then obviously he was, he was growing his, uh, YouTube channel and, and that took off.

But being in the, he grew up in Lincoln, lived in Omaha and grew his, uh, 13, 20 channel there.

And, uh, we have a lot of mutual friends, you know, in the area and obviously in the industry and being close by.

We tried to do, you know, things together when we could.

Um, and, um, but, uh, he's huge, uh, Cadillac GM, you know, Corvette Blackwing, you know, he, he, he grew up in Lincoln.

Love those cars.

Anyway, we, we did a video with him, um, three months ago.

Two months ago.

Actually it was on, uh, December 30th, right before the end of this last year.

Um, and then, uh, um, time flies.

This year's over.

So he came through and, oh yeah, this year's crazy.

He did a shop tour.

We gave him the full, full suite of everything.

You know, we got going on to the cars that we had and we did some fun stuff in the, in the Blackwing.

Uh, we, I raced his car with mine going down the highway out in front of our shop, but.

In Mexico.

Correct.

Yes.

In the one of one, chartreuse green or whatever color that is.

Blackwing.

Did they just drop a new like F one edition that's, they did it coming out.

That's stupid horsepower.

Yeah.

They actually up the horsepower and the performance on the car.

So you don't think he knows.

I, that's why I was asking, didn't they do conferred when they do a curated one?

Can you have it painted any color you want?

Yes.

That's pretty cool.

You can do the interior.

Should it be Brewster green?

Maybe.

Yes.

Brewster green.

It 100% should be.

Is that what it's going?

Um, not my, my curated car is actually a shark skin gray is why actually what it is.

So it's a sad one.

When I, when you, how do you get one of the curated car?

You got to know somebody that knows somebody.

Yeah.

I know he knows somebody.

I said, but he, does anybody have to know somebody to get one?

I know he knows.

You just forget about it.

It's not happening for you.

I did ask him.

Maybe he'll hook you up, but.

I just asked him.

I'm asking the question.

There's people want to listen and hear the answers.

The listeners would probably be interested.

First of all, don't, don't tell me I can't do something.

I just did.

This is the worst thing to ever do is tell me I can't do something.

Okay.

It's not easy.

It's easier if you know people.

It is easier if you obviously know someone that'll actually at least get you on in the

list to get reviewed.

But I had to write, I think both of those cars, I had to pretty much present.

Present myself in front of them.

We got a car.

This is a huge podcast.

You know, the car.

This thing's everybody knows who we are.

Not screen, screenshot.

Oh, not.

I got my phone.

Different list that you're going to be.

I can present it however you would like.

Obviously that was successful.

They, you know, they identified who you were.

Yeah.

Cause he's got one coming.

He's already known the color of it.

Yeah.

I think they're painting it next week, if not this week.

So it'll be cool.

It's a car you obviously don't want to mess with, right?

Yeah.

I mean, I'm, I mean.

Put a fully on it.

It won't get driven.

Not much.

I mean, my chartreuse screen won my, my one, my 20th anniversary.

I got it through the thousand miles.

So I wanted to break it in.

So I want to fill out the car drove and it's a lot of fun to drive.

And it's, you know, getting, getting it past that point to me.

I mean, I like driving these cars, but then.

Then he stops driving.

Exactly.

He gets all the power, tries it out, parks it.

He's like, we can't put any more miles on it.

You think he's scared of all the power?

No.

Hey, smart.

Hey, it's a depreciation thing.

It's like, well, remember when you come across those things and it's the, it's the fourth

gen SS and it's got 11 miles on it.

Like who has one of the, that's the type of guy.

There was, there was also no break in period back then.

Yeah.

Yes.

Right.

Now everything's got to be a thousand, 500,000 and it's like, oh, this hurts.

We hit the 500 hit it wants.

It's like, all right, it's done.

Put it in the shed.

I don't think that's, I know that the new transactional stuff, they're real big on,

on some of that.

The break in.

Yeah.

Big, big.

I watched him one afternoon make hot laps up and down our highway.

Was that in one of the.

The orange cars.

The red eye.

That was in a red eye.

So this was in a red eye to hit 500 and then he pulled up in front of the shop,

burned it down, set off the fire alarm, fire department showed up.

I'm just like, we need to shut the doors before this.

That's key.

But it, but we hit 500.

We hit 500.

So, and now that body shop door is covered in rubber for the next year.

It's crazy how that smoke has a tendency to carry itself right in the overhead.

And straight to the fire alarm.

The negative pressure zone.

The fire, the fire department enjoyed watching the rest of the burnouts.

After we shut the doors, we were asked if they could be invited before the alarm goes

off.

That's probably the right idea.

I bought a fourth gen SS Camaro and I didn't buy the one at Rockinbox Chevrolet because

on the test drive, the salesman told me it has a hearse shifter and you don't need to

use the clutch.

You just grab it and rip gears.

Oh yeah, that's true.

Everybody knows that.

He had made some noises when he did that.

Bottle kill, bottle sign, a great bottle too.

Those fourth gens, you think those are coming on?

I see SW is a little bit of a kick right now.

Yeah, he called me five of them in the last two weeks ago and he's like, should I send

me all these pictures?

Like the guys are trying to talk me into it.

Is this going to, is this trend going to happen?

Just make the trend.

Yeah.

Someone's got to start it.

I'm like, yes, those cars are happening.

I already know that the value is going up.

Do you think you could get behind the wheel of one right now and it'd be just like a glove?

Yes.

Just know everything.

Effortlessly drop into that.

That was a pretty fast car.

The skipshift thing.

The WS6 Trans Am was always badass.

I always loved it.

You got to be licensed to the drive one of those though.

I mean, the hood was SS Camaro and anybody can buy it.

WS6 was you got to go to Bondurant and get like ready.

Yeah.

But I think they're coming around.

This car has been popular for a while.

They are.

Yeah.

The drag guys for a while.

It seems like the fourth gen Camaro's coming around faster than the fourth gen Trans Am right

now.

Yeah.

I think maybe because of some of the custom builds.

I don't think there's near the amount of those types of cars out there that anybody thinks.

Where do you think they went?

Low sales volume?

I think they went in the scrap yard.

I think it's the cash for clunkers.

There's so many of them.

They got ate up by the cash for clunkers thing.

I mean, 70% of the people I went to high school with wrecked theirs.

Yeah.

And they're all plastic and they're really low quality.

Like from a, you shut your mouth.

Well, I mean, they just didn't.

They didn't.

They regressed.

You talk about tough windows like, you know, look at a second gen Camaro, they regressed

on the window fitment on the fourth gen.

Like those cars were primitive.

They didn't get traded around.

It's not like they just, they went to this offsite place, you know, amongst it.

Yeah.

Once it got to a certain point, it just got crushed.

It just, it had no value at, you know, 10, 12, 15 years.

I've crushed plenty of them.

Same with Fox body.

Sorry.

Yeah.

But late Fox bodies, people held on to them for a little, there's more people that held

on for a little longer.

You know, there's the fourth gen stuff is just you don't come across them in the wild.

But I think that's when, once you start, once you start getting past 99, you start getting

into 2000, that happens with a lot of stuff.

That's when you had, you know, the cash for clunkers introduced and that stuff ate up.

That's where the G, that's where the G point.

Yeah.

Cash for clunkers.

$6,800.

That was well worth more than it was worth.

Yeah.

That ate up.

When third gear didn't work anymore.

It'd be interesting to see, I would, there's, we got some really smart listeners that send

us some stuff and do some digging and stuff.

It'd be interesting to see like units produced per decade and units registered in comparison.

Right.

I bet you once you start to get into the 2000s, that those vehicles left is, I mean, such

a single digit percentage possible in comparison.

Do you think most of it was the soft touch buttons that nobody wanted to deal with anymore?

The stickiness when it got to it.

Yeah.

Camaro didn't have that problem though.

There was all hard plastic stuff, but the Firebird had the rubber coated, the gray rubber

soft, soft touch stuff.

I don't remember that.

Firebird was big on it.

Pontiac was big on it.

You know, all your plastic GM buttons, like especially on the side of the console or the

gauge cluster, whatever was the gray soft touch stuff and that stuff would start to wear.

But the G.

It's like a jelly.

Yeah.

Some of the Chevrolet stuff, it was harder plastic.

Trying to make a little nicer.

This has been amazing.

Guys, I know you are a listener and a listener.

And thank you for that.

I hope that being on this side of it was as underwhelming as most people say it was.

I was nervous.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm not one for TV or video.

Most people that have listened before then come on there and be like, yeah, you know what?

This is cool.

I'm just going to keep listening.

It's way more fun on the other side.

I'd do it again.

Sweet.

We appreciate it.

Thank you for the bourbon.

That was an absolutely awesome bottle.

Great banger.

Yeah, we did.

Great flavor though.

Yeah.

Yeah, a ton of flavor, man.

That's a good one.

And you bring something that's never been had on here.

That's somebody that did their research.

You got a good one there.

20 has been there for 16 years.

We got through the good guys stuff.

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I'm surprised we're going to have more sponsors with that kind of delivery, honestly.

I tried to give a really good sponsor read and all you wanted to do was just say, yeah,

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Good morning.

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That's fine.

Let's keep going.

That's why we don't have it.

Good guys have been great.

I strongly suggest you guys coming down to Columbus.

Even if you just come down for a day, we have a great...

We've never been.

Oh man, if you guys have a thing at least, that's kind of sort of in your backyard.

We don't do cars.

We have a great parking lot party in the hotel.

It's a fun show.

You see, I mean, so many debuts for Street Machine, so many debuts for Hot Rod.

Great show.

See all kinds of cool shit.

And then, honestly, hanging out in the parking lot and drinking.

Yeah, absolutely.

We get here six hours early.

We walked around your shop for six hours today.

There's at least an hour and a half to see, and then you got like lunch and then...

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