Do Special Porsche Colors Really Increase Happiness and Value w/ Justin Roeser

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Welcome to Renthusius Radio. I'm Will and I'm Derek. I'm Justin. In today's episode, we're going to be discussing with an expert one of our favorite topics, Porsche Colors. I've talked a lot about this in my content for many years early on in my Porsche.

I was very much of a color chaser. I then began to find that I was really over-focusing on color and sacrificing quality. So I had kind of a phase where I was buying quality and maybe what I might call boring colors.

But now I'm back to being mesmerized by really fun, interesting, hard-to-find Porsche Colors. That brings me to today's guest, Justin Roser. So Justin is a student of an expert in Porsche Colors. He's also a filmmaker in a writer and in today's episode we'll be talking with Justin. So welcome Justin.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, that big time, man. So Derek, what you got to say before we jump into the main event here?

Well, I'm going to apologize to the entire audience. Up here in New Hampshire, it is below zero and I sound like a frog because my kids have a cold, which means you know like when your kids come home and that you know they have a cold and then you just look at your watch and you give yourself 36 hours and you're like, I'll be there.

So I'm on the bench and I'll try not to hack too loud into the microphone. But Justin, I am so unbelievably happy to have you here because we did an episode, I don't know, it was probably six months ago.

And we just kind of touched on what is it about Porsche Colors coming from the 70s into today? Why is Porsche stand alone really when you talk about these Skittles Colors and the importance when it comes to values?

And that did very well. We got a lot of interaction with that and actually will just today. I don't know if you noticed in some of the comments on our podcast from last week, but someone jumped in asking a lot of questions about what are what are the popular colors? What should I look for if I wanted to retain value?

And I find that colors and value really go hand in hand. And so we're going to talk about that, but what's really cool about Justin is outside of the fact that he helped me find my 1972 911, my Albert Blue Birdie, I know it is such a small world in this Porsche thing we do.

But outside of that, he has an amazing collection of Porsche and in some unbelievable colors. And we're going to talk about some colors that I guarantee most of you out there have never heard of.

And so on the YouTube side, I will absolutely edit in some pictures, but for all of you listening in the cars or on your lawn mowers, Justin, you didn't know this, but we're number one for folks mowing their lawns listening to Porsche content.

Hey, I'm going green. Yeah, maybe there are electric mowers. I don't even know, but, but I encourage everyone just to look up some of the colors we're going to be talking about today because they are fantastic.

And as always, we'll continue to put out amazing content lately on his 9997. And now that he has a back, he's driving the wheels off it and he's telling you all about it.

And on my side, 11 after 9, please check out my collection of videos. I have a new one coming out next week on a 986 base boxer and my thoughts on that in today's market.

And we're where you should put your money and check out a back catalog, everyone, we're up to I think this is getting close to 80 episodes.

So there's a lot of good stuff back there. Go back and listen to it and Justin, that's my sales pitch. Welcome to the podcast.

I know. I bet he will subscribe. Yeah. So, so so Justin again, really nice to have you, man. And I think we could.

Why don't we start with the color moon stone. And before you jump in there, I watched one of your one of your films on YouTube and we can put a link down in the description below this video.

And it is all about your passion for the color moon stone and your pursuit. And it also has some really interesting, interesting excuse me information about like, you know, the impetus of the color and how the folks of Porsche actually came up with it.

And I just found it all very fascinating. So why don't we start start with the discussion of moon stone and we will just go from there.

Great. Yeah. No, I mean, like no one, you know, getting to find out the origin of the creation of the color became a big pursuit for me.

And I think that's what I'm doing on these films now, like the moon stone was the first one, but I've got three more coming on 26 on different colors.

Different subjects, not just they're not about me, they're about other owners of different color cars.

And just to get to the origin of it, because it is something so important to the history of really a lot of car makers, but us being Porsche fans, a huge part of Porsche's success.

And really in the last, I'd say probably since the invention of social media color has become such a huge value to them.

But where does it come from? Where did it start? And so for me, moon stone was that color because it was just so rare and weird. And when I first saw it on that 930 turbo that Sloan Motors had, I just never saw a color like that on a car.

And maybe even today, like maybe there's some citron or something, or some of the other 60s colors that are kind of lilac-ish. I think Alfa Romeo had kind of a similar color on some of their 60s cars.

But this color with like, to me, it was just so soft and almost white, but it's purple. And it just, I don't know, it sparked something that, again, I still don't know why I'm like sitting here six plus years later.

Even on a podcast talking about it, but it's the passion and it's learning where it came from and also finding the cars and tracking them down because there was just very few that were ordered.

And it was a standard color, which for me is really the exciting thing. I'm really into the standard colors.

Which, you know, eventually become paint to sample at some point, like moon stone isn't been evolved to moon gem.

But these standard colors that during a period, I think the designers took a risk to see if this color would really resonate.

And moon stone did not. It was an absolute failure. But here we are, you know, 40 plus years later.

And it's like it's it's having its time and it's having a resurgence. And so I'm just fascinated by digging to the very bottom of something.

And this time or, you know, for this set of films, it happens to be about color.

So this is kind of a difficult exercise. I was hoping that you just for the audio audience, just using words, could you do your best to describe moon stone for people that are driving in their cars? What is that color? And how would you describe it?

That's funny because everyone sees it differently.

But, you know, me being around so many people and out and having these cars in moon stone and bringing them out to shows, I honestly think like if you closed your eyes and you put like a color in the middle of between your eyes that was light purple, gray, white, that would be the color.

And I think that everyone sees color differently. And also pink.

So someone might gravitate towards seeing it as a pink color. Most people say, I know that's not white, but they can't really figure out why it isn't white.

And so I would say it's like super core, like when it's really moon stone, which would be honestly a gray, rainy day, like almost like thunder clouds and you can see this car is so purple.

But when it's in the sun, it almost looks like the lightest chalk you can see, like the new chalk color or crayon in Europe, you know, from the last five or 10 years.

It's like so light. So it has it and actually the original name of the color was grow yola.

So, Glazer it when they developed the color, that was their name for it, lilac gray.

So, it really moves between those four spectrums. And if it really moves between those four spectrums or our eyes have a really hard time on this color because our eyes are moving within these four spectrums trying to figure out that it's not white.

And trying to define it for us. So, I think it's just a really fascinating color. And it might be underwhelming to some people.

You know, there's other colors that you can see at a show that just, you know, biper green or ruby stone that immediately tell you and communicate to you excitement and bright.

This car or this color, either one, it's very subdued. And honestly, I've seen very emotional experiences that people have around this color.

And in fact, since this movies come out, I've read some of the great comments on YouTube and people that have seen these cars of explain this type of thing.

And I recently found someone that posted a picture with the Moonstone 930 at a show. And it's the second time I've heard someone nearly cry seeing this color.

It just hits this emotional chord.

Yeah, it's interesting.

So, I only witnessed that one time. And I felt really touched by the person I was at, I think it was at Radwood some years ago.

And I brought my 924. And I was just sitting there and talking to this, like husband and wife. And his wife was just so enamored by the color in the car.

I think she was in love with it. And she had to like walk away because she was so touched. And that was awesome. I was like, wow, this is, this is what this color is capable of.

I mean, you clearly have so much passion for this specific color. And again, I mean, for anybody out there, you need to go look at the video on this.

This Moonstone concept. And I think then you'll really start to see what this is all about. But like, what is it about color in the world of Porsche that is just such a thing in your view?

Yeah, it's crazy. I know it's hard to really put it into like a nutshell because, you know, BMW had great colors.

Obviously in the 90s, 2000s. I mean, even in the 70s with the 2002s and 1600s, they had all of that. And Mopar had all of that stuff.

So, there's all these great manufacturers with colors. But I think it's also that Porsche people are crazy. They're just nuts.

Exactly. We're all here in the same room. So it's like, I think it's just, you know, exactly color on a car.

Yeah, I think that Porsche people just take it to the next level of passion. And it's also the community. I mean, look at, like, look at how much support there is for Porsche from like every generation.

There's, there's a lift. There's all these different shows that you can go celebrate, water cooled, air cooled.

I started a show here in San Antonio. I moved here three years ago. It's a cars and coffee. And I, you know, gravitated to the Porsche owners first. Is that's me?

And the Porsche guys showed up all the time. Rain, no matter what, they were there at the show.

So everyone else that started coming without a Porsche was like, this is a Porsche show. And I'm like, no, they're just the dudes that show up.

They drive their cars. Exactly. So I think, I think it's something unique to the fans of the cars. And then the social media thing, I think has a huge thing to do with it.

People getting allocations for all the special cars, the GT3s and everything. And then Porsche seeing that that's a huge money maker.

And then they're infusing, you know, $3,000 paint jobs now that are cool colors and $1,500 paint jobs that are cool colors.

And they did that in the past. They had standard zero charge colors. And then they had special colors that were, you know, frozen berry metallic was 650 bucks at some point and now it's $15,000 if you want it for paint sample.

I think that's kind of a thing. I think that's the magic recipe is that social media, I think broadcasting fun colors, taking great photos.

That has a lot to do with color being so big in our world now. And then I think the combination of Porsche having fanatical fans that are so loyal to the brand.

And are willing to go back into history and start to see where these things came from and which I would like to be a megaphone for to know these origins of Mexico blue and Ruby era blue and all of these cool colors that are that are still here today.

And honestly, that is the time, that is like the time machine of Porsche is, you know, you could have a mison blue 356 and a mison blue brand new GT3. And it's the same color in their 70 plus years apart.

So it's it's an awesome world we're living in. We're living in color.

But also what's so cool is that depending on the body style that the colors on the even though it's the same color, it can look so different.

And it could be so striking or maybe not want to ask you this, you were talking about moonstone and did a great job describing what that color is to a variety of eyes.

And it's really interesting because you're right like under certain lighting you'd swear it was kind of a dirty white like from a distance or sometimes a bright white or then in another light, it almost looks Barbie pink and to that like that much of a swing and then violet then lavender and then everywhere between Porsche does us with a bunch of colors.

I had a 95993 Justin that was in ocean blue metallic and that was a color that was a dark dark blue. But if you were in direct sunlight, it was purple.

And then sometimes in other lights, it almost looked black. It was so moody. And I found I find that Porsche does this with certain colors. They have these weird color shifting pallets that are two, three, four colors in one.

Have you noticed that too?

Oh, yeah. And I was going to say not to, you know, metallic, that's usually how you get that property is to by adding a metallic to it. And so moonstone not being a metallic in a flat color, that's what's super crazy. But 100%.

I mean, like zenith blue is another color like you talked about on a 993 that it can look like a beautiful soft blue or it can look super purple.

And I think that's a lot to do with the metallic colors, you know. So I think on a flat color, that's why moonstone was so intriguing to me.

And another thing that I, you know, if I lost a hat or she was the creator of the color and she was the creator of Pasha and she reigned in the color and trim department from 1976 to 2008.

That's like the greatest hits of Porsche. I mean, we had the very cool tartans, the Pasha's, the velures, we had all the cool colors, mint green, ruby stone.

A lot of stuff was under her. So I think, you know, her definition of that color being so special was a lot to do with the pigments that were available during that time.

And again, I also think it's the human perception of that color and where it miraculously landed in our mind that we see it in so many different ways.

I don't know, you know, I haven't observed it. There's a new flat color like that. That might be someone can write down the comments or questions and say, hey, this flat color does that for me, but, you know, like a new flat color that has this kind of shift.

Maybe maybe chalk plays with it. I don't probably chalk doesn't turn purple or pink, but maybe it gets very brown or light gray, depending on the light.

But yeah, it's just color shifting is awesome. It's a really cool part of the paint. And I'm sure it's designed into it.

So Justin, you have a business where you are helping folks import cool color cars out of Europe. Is that accurate?

Yeah, I've been doing that for the last while I started doing it on my own, you know, finding like moonstone cars. So yeah, it just became like it was my hobby and then just started getting a really great network to find some really exclusive rare cars. And that's my thing is really colors.

I'm finding the cool unique old and you know, I don't really get any newer than a 993.

You know, I'm definitely looking at 996's, but a lot of those cars are just here in the US.

But now that they're turning 25 years old, there was a lot more variety of colors on the 996 overseas, especially in the UK and Italy.

Personally, I'm not going to buy a right hand drive 996, but for some reason the UK had like really great colors on the 996 generation.

Engaging somebody to help find a car overseas and bring it into the United States like that's a commitment.

And I can say that, you know, firsthand because I was, you know, working on something like that for a while didn't really pan out.

But you know, talk to me about your clientele. I mean, these are people that have to be like pretty hell bent on a specific color.

So just, you know, talk to me a little bit about the people that come to you. You know, what do you observe? What are the trends you see?

Yeah, well, I primarily am working with like mostly dealerships and some of those dealers have their own collection.

So I've helped some dealership owners put together a collection like they like green cars and they're starting to put together a collection of green cars.

So it's really about finding obviously good cars, but unique cars and the older the cars get the harder they are to find.

I mean, anyone could go on any website today and find a plethora of paint a sample GT3s.

And you could find a handful probably of Ruby star, Ruby star Neo or Ruby stone or whatever.

But finding like a 964 in that color takes a while.

And it's funny, I've noticed this is so weird it has to be part of the universe.

Is that like once you find one, all of a sudden like two more pop up within the next couple months.

I've seen that happen like I just recently imported a summer yellow 964 turbo which is paint a sample.

And then all of a sudden a couple weeks later there's an offer for an 89 speedster paint a sample summer yellow.

And then there's a works turbo look career two that's in summer yellow.

And I have a magenta car of 76 911 and when I found that car, it took me years just to find one.

And then some years later all of a sudden there was two or three that were offered within a couple months of each other.

So it's like weird maybe maybe all the owners get some wind that something's happening and they all start selling at the same time.

But I think what people are really into is finding the rare colored stuff from, I'd say the hottest is the 964 and the 993s.

And I'd say the 964 is hotter than the 993.

But I start to see a lot of people now like I said earlier the 996.

They are 25 years old.

We never got a Mark 1 GT3 here in the US.

We never got a club sport.

Some of the turbos you know most of them were silver black.

So if you find the Zanzibar red turbo you know there was probably a couple that came to the US and maybe there's you know 10 that went to Europe.

So I think people will start bringing those cars over and I think it's I think again like we talked about the value.

Someone is willing to pay the back to import a car that's that color because there is barely any of them.

And so I think you have this group of collectors or dealers that it's also perfect for their social media.

I mean if you've got a 92 Carrera 2 and Ruby stone that you can blast out on Instagram that you don't see that every day.

Yeah and I can speak firsthand the power of color.

I've I've described many times in this podcast that I looked for years to find my Albert Blue 911 because that was the color that spoke to me the most.

And so and that is a fairly common color compared to some of the things we're talking about.

Sometimes what we like to do the audience for enthusiast radio was very varied.

But I do find that the common kind of through line for a lot of the folks that listen to us is that they're just regular folks that just want to enjoy their cars and maybe find something special.

And a lot of them reach out to Will and I and talk about specking out their new cars when it comes to color.

And paint the sample is quite simply overwhelming you know the process of it you know what that looks like sitting in a dealership trying to make a decision based off a couple plates.

What what advice would you give to someone who's speccing a car when it comes to I'm not necessarily going to ask color though I will ask about what colors you would suggest but like really more to the fact of.

Do you do you suggest to stay with the base colors or do you encourage people to look at a paint a sample or do you encourage them to shoot for the moon and what I think it's called like paint a sample plus or which is even a much greater investor chart in terms of car.

Well yeah so like for me I you know.

Like for example when's the last time you saw like a macadamia metallic nine and seven career not even an s just a career like that car doesn't exist or any demon blue metallic nine and seven base career.

Like there was one at Oklahoma city Porsche parade it was a craft for as a tip tronic but still like you never see that car so for me I think.

I personally gravitate towards what's on the palate not paint a sample what's available in that time that maybe I mean you have to like it just don't order a car just no one else is going to do it.

You know like for example for me now I really dig for myself if I were to order a 992 I'd probably go with provolous just because that colors also originated from moonstone or lilac and now it's a modern interpretation that was you know made for the macon EV.

But it's available and I think it's part of the dreams or something so I don't know if it's 1500 bucks or if it's 3000 but it's it's not paint a sample.

But I've not seen that color anywhere that I've been driving and I've not seen any 992s in that color.

So like that kind of works for me because it gives me something that's unique to myself but I'm not spending a ton of money.

If I were to do a paint a sample personally and spend the money I'd probably go frozen very metallic because I just think it's such a great color it's got a lot of champagne.

It's got a lot of champagne hues to it it's got some pink it's classy and I just love that color I think that's one of the greatest hits that porches put out in a long time that no one ordered and it was a standard color or at least a $650 option.

So I would and honestly I've also talked about that you know you have all this paint a sample cost you know it could cost you 15,000 or cost paint a sample plus could be like double or more.

And then you get in the chrome affair stuff so you're talking about it's a hundred thousand up like what about a white car with the cool dark green interior or getting a base color and spending your money on the inside of the car.

Because down the road in 20 30 years if it matters and it doesn't matter it's not a flex but like if you're at a car show and you've got a base career or a GT3 that's white silver wheels no ceramics but you spent money on getting a green interior that you're sitting in driving from experiencing the whole car that's like a one off.

You can make a one off by doing all of green and river or blue leather it doesn't look great so I think you know people can buy whatever they like but start to think about you know down the road in 20 years what if you if you hold on to this car the more you add to the car the more maintenance you'll add the more technology you add to the car the more

you'll add so I think if you're buying something new my opinion I love base like no options take a color the exclusive heritage posh as rad you're allowed to do that but I would I would probably spend I would try to keep in the standard color palette and pay for the interior because you're going to sit there all the time you're going to drive from there.

And down the road it's going to be rare I mean I think also you look at the GT3s now and although each paint a sample color is individual the overall percentage of paint a sample is greater than the standard color options a friend of mine just bought a GT3 Turing 991 and it's lava orange that was a standard color only three people ordered that color for the for the Turing so like you can do that now.

Just by kind of looking at the standard stuff and seeing what's available and what what people might not want to buy but again by what you love don't just buy something because no one else has it.

So imagine a world where I am conducting a personal search for a three to career in a very specific color an amazing color a rare color and I find one and it's underground so I don't have any competitive pressure you know it's just mean the seller more buddies.

And I'm really excited I'm over the moon I've been looking for ever.

And then I go visit the car and I carry my trusty paint meter with me and I start to meet the car and lo and behold I figure out that it's all sorts of of depth and I realize it's not original paint are my dreams dashed on the rocks just in or is this is this okay talk to me.

You know my first vintage Porsche I'd say like really vintage was a 75 line green Carrera and it was original paint car and it had some patina and I liked that some paint was missing here and there and that it was original but as I started to go farther into this world and find the rarest colored cars I'd say most of them all have some sort of history.

I personally wouldn't care if the car had paintwork you know if it has some like huge like you know 200 mill reading in the back quarter panel and there's a ton of bondo and you can see you know weld marks because the whole quarter panels have been replaced that might be very questionable.

But like if the cars had the hood done or some door or the you know the rear deck that or whatever these were all used cars at some point and none of us have a time machine to go back and time and create this perfect pristine example that we want and I know people search for that and they turn down a ton of cars that could come their way.

But when it gets into this rare stuff especially if it was like a standard color.

You know most of them are going to be painted and also in Europe a lot of these cars have paintwork because they've driven these cars and paint protection film was not a thing.

You know like you can order it new from the dealership now like paint protection was not a thing in the 90s and really even in the early 2000s so most of the cars just drove without any sort of protection and then they just repaint the hood.

And if there was some rock chips or if they couldn't match it they'd blend it you know blend the fenders into the doors and that's very common to see.

But is that enough to say no to like a Ruby stone turbo 964 that maybe there's like a handful of you know.

Take it a step further what about a what about a moonstone car that in the 90s was painted guards red or black because it was ugly and that was such an old color that no one wants anymore so.

Is it is it worth buying that and if it is do you do you do it has to be done I would I mean you're asking like the totally wrong person.

Would it make financial sense if you thought yeah with the leading thought leader and moonstone take a car back to moonstone that's a question there.

We're spending as much money as you can on every car.

If it was a 924 I'd probably say no unless it's like your total passion project and those people exist like I have a I brought in this really cool 944 Mauritius blue 82 which we didn't get the 944 to 83.

And so it's an 82 euro car really beautiful it's almost like donkelblow just a little bit lighter I'll give you a picture of the car full posh interior.

In that cars up in Seattle now and a guy reached out to him because this owner asked me well how many of these cars were there and I think there's only like one with this posh up but there's very few in this guy's restoring another one so like that's a passion project a guy found him said wow you own the car that I want to make my car.

And so if you can do it on your own or if you have all the money in the world go for it but like if you found a 911 SC and there was one that was repainted red it was years ago as a California car I don't know where that car went but it was totally red.

And the seller just painted the deck lid moonstone to show people like this is what the car look like any showed inside the sunroof it was the same color.

I think today you could easily you know get that car back to moonstone and you would have your money there for you.

And it's really what you want you know if you want to do that you want a perfect car and there's people that hit me up that are doing color changes on their car now.

They're doing like an 81 SC that they want to make custom in moonstone and they wanted to do a custom interior and posh like make their dream SC that they could have ordered you know new from the dealership.

People I think are doing that so yeah I think it's worth doing it on a historical side financially it doesn't always make sense that's for sure.

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So are you along the lines of trying to find something cool I mean are you looking for anything for yourself currently.

Yeah I've been looking for a while an ocean jade metallic nine nine six career a coupe and I found a couple.

There's no one's really wants to get rid of them at this point in that there's I think there was some that were sent here to the us are people ordered I'm like.

I think you can go on pelican or some old form and there was like one that was for sale with a nephrite green interior tip tronic unfortunately which I won't do on the nine nine six well maybe on a certain certain spec I've seen some really crazy tip tronic nine nine sixes.

But like you know a couple hundred thousand miles and you know just not not as exciting I think there's another one out there and funny enough I found another one in the this is funny there was one in the Netherlands and it had I saw this slate gray metallic nine nine six with nephrite interior and I was like wow I've never.

Seen this combo and then I translate the ad and it originally was an ocean jade metallic car that the owner didn't like the color and change it to actually like a fiat kind of slate gray metallic color so.

That did not make sense to bring that car back to ocean jade because it's a nine nine six into do that for that car would be like probably thirty or forty thousand dollars and then you're.

Into a seventy eighty thousand dollar nine nine six with miles and then the interior you know this this and those interiors war quite a bit on the nine and six generation so I don't think we're there yet with the nine and six is where you can dump thirty to forty thousand dollars into the car.

So that was a pass for sure but that color I love frozen berry metallic I love.

You think we'll find a time with the nine nine six will become worth it.

Oh you know it's interesting I think that was a funny oh it's interesting I think I couldn't tell if you're a bus you're actually thinking no yeah I wasn't I wasn't being sarcastic it's so funny like fine it's all good yeah I gotta I gotta communicate better I think that like the nine nine six is so funny because you know everybody's been saying for so long like you know the nine nine six the nine nine six and they're still.

And they're still such a great value amazingly good value there's really no nine eleven you can buy.

That's as good of a value as the nine nine six and the crazy part is there's this not a ton of unique ones so I think for sure I know unique nine nine sixes or trading hands privately for a lot of money now you know not not triple digits for a carara but you're getting

you know low mile arrow kit cars that are off market that could be doing 70 to 80 and you know C4 S's if they're in the right color in low miles I think those cars will probably could hit 100 you know the right buyer that wants that paint to sample car 100 is probably a number whereas

he still can get a great one for the 40 to 65 range probably you know I think for a C4 S and I think for a nine nine six you probably can get great cars for you know 25 is going to be like you're getting a

screaming deal and hopefully that thing doesn't need a bunch of work but I think you can get an amazingly good coupe for 40 40 grand that's

probably decent low miles in the good condition and is sorted so they drive great they're quicker than most air cooled naturally aspirated cars they have power kind of

everywhere they're AC works awesome and they're small if you've ever looked at a nine nine six next to a nine nine two I saw them park mixed each

and you can fit people on the side of the nine nine six to walk around looking the windows the nine nine two is coming right to the corners of the stall so I think we really gave that car such a hard time just like the nine six four and I think people I honestly would start looking at those cars and

stagging them and holding on to them for a while and also the boxers the first gen boxers I think are an amazing cool car and very few unique interior exterior colors and they saved Porsche so they have an extreme you know part in the history of the brand and they're awesome cars and they're not super expensive so you know when people ask me like what cars I'd be looking into I mean those would be the more modern

uh Porsche's and another side note I think and I own one but nine twenty fours are totally slept on forever name another Porsche for like twenty thousand or less or twenty five thousand or less that you can get like amazing colors amazing interiors on yeah they're not quick but go to a car show there's no other nine twenty four they're awesome they're like little me audis from the eighties so you know entry level people looking at Porsche's or younger people looking into

Porsche's that's where I would start my research for a good value a lot of times we say going back like oh man if I can only have a warehouse and stockpile these because in 15 years you know the values are going to skyrocket and it what I'm hearing from you is that generation of that grew up with the nine nine six it's going to come do because I mean really if you think about it right it's always in my mind it's like thirty five years

twenty five years is the trend where people look back when they finally have money they look back to the the cars of the childhood that were a monumental for them and then they want to buy them and then values jump up and nine nine threes continue to have their moment I think nine six fours have their do probably with some health with singer to get them in the spotlight but like nine nine six is you know they had a little bump over COVID they went back down but I'm seeing them start to creep up because all those people that grew up with nine nine six is that famous

commercial of that kid looking out of the window saying some day I'm going to have that car you know those kids are now forty something years old and they're like I'm going to buy that well and I also know honestly younger people buying these nine nine sixes I know quite a few people in their mid to late twenties buying these and also there and like they were like they weren't even born like I think there's something about that car that appeals to them a lot

and I should probably talk to him and ask a why but also you know I'm I'm like turning forty six actually this weekend so it's you know when you look back and you think like you know these are we we're all probably similar age and you know we've had nine to five jobs or worked in these different types of you know college and high school and all these things but like the younger generation I think is different and they're they've grown up different and they might

make different choices and I start and I've got to know some of them and some of these younger collectors that are really into nine and sixes and they have a they have a lot more freedom than I ever had when I was twenty six years old and it's interesting it would be interesting to find out like what it is about the nine nine six because they're not at all into air cool cars like I they're not at all they're like they started the nine nine six and then they're going like then to the nine nine seven obviously the

career GT is something of a crazy halo but like the nine nine six I know some very young collectors that are just buying all of the cool nine nine sixes and I should ask them why but it's it's very interesting because I think it it's a car that hits younger people than just the

people that you know were fifteen years old and saw it in nineteen ninety nine so it's it's it's interesting so Justin um Derek and I did it and I think our last no second

episode before last was about why the portion market is is toast or why it's broken and you know we were lamenting and sort of

growling about the fact that we can't seem to find cool cars and for me you know what's cool as I told you I'm kind of this now I'm back to color chasing you know I'm just not

into buying a guards or a black or a white car and you know for an every man buyer such as myself without tons of hookups like you know you go

to the usual spots and you just you don't see the cool colors yet when I hear you talking you're talking about

very neat interesting cars trading hands like where where does the average Joe who might be looking to buy his first

Porsche but he's really held bent on having a cool color like what advice do you give him slash us are we just great you have to

pray every night who let me tell you the killer God's name do good do good these well look at me I mean look at me I'm

bringing stuff over from Europe and like you said it's a bunch of work right that takes months and you have to be

very patient and you have to have kind of a network to make sure that you're buying a great a good car right you you get paint

meter readings you get it for a PPI and all of those things but like yeah it's tricky here in the US honestly and I think I mean honestly I'd

probably for the US I'd be hunting on Instagram or something like that you know no trade secret here but going and

type in your favorite color and see what hashtags pop up and see who's been posting pictures of their car and

send them a message and say hey I really love your car if you're ever interested in selling it one day I'd

love to learn more about it and you know a lot of the cars that I found like my 928 in Moonstone took me like

six years you know took me four years after the first time I saw that car to find out where it actually

went and then it took me two years of getting to know the owner and just showing them like I would love to be

the next custodian and I've made him proud because I fixed that car that car has been a lot of work and I think that if

you're genuine and you really show interest and you are respectful towards the owner of the car and they see your

passion then I think that they most people want to see something they love go to someone who would give it a

better home and I think that that's been my experience but yeah I know it's tricky because there was a lot of

conservative times here in the US in the 80s and the 90s and the 996 days so we had a lot of you know a lot of

lot of saturation of pretty standard color cars now the new stuff like I said you could go online and find

any color you want probably something like a GT3 but also you probably won't find any you know 997s that were

in like crazy colors you know because very few people were just kind of moving out of that

so yeah it's tricky I don't really have a whole lot of advice except for you know also Google images

you know you can go into Google images and type in the color and maybe the car and then just kind of

look at all the photos and see where they were the last one but you know once a car does public

then it's a feeding frenzy if it's a unique car yep yep yep well you know it's funny we've been

talking I'm looking at our timer here we've been talking about color for 43 minutes so I guess we

are demonstrating that indeed we are a strange bunch so yeah that goes without saying yeah

just wonder we're like a casual 911 person that trips over this podcast would think my god how can

these guys sit here and talk about this that long so yeah it's great I mean the rabbit hole

is it's real and everyone is about color with Porsche it's about color Justin is it stressful is

it super stressful to drive a rare colored car are you afraid to park it are you afraid to put it

places is it too rarefied let's be completely honest are you happy with your job the fact is a

huge number of people can't say yes to that too many of us are stuck in a job we've outgrown or

one we never really wanted in the first place but we stick it out and we give reasons like what if

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exactly no and I think if it got to that point like I would sell the car because I wouldn't be

having any fun in it but like all of the cars have their history and story like my magenta car

you know it came from Sweden and I brought it down to a car show in Portland organ I think

2019 it was when Magnus Walker came out with his 277 Nike shoes and my friend actually designed

those shoes and he did a show in Portland called donuts and drip I was living in Seattle I didn't

want to get up at four in the morning and drive to Portland to get there by seven so I stayed the

night Friday night and I put and I stayed at this hotel that I would always stay at when I was

traveling for business in Portland and put the car in the ballet and I just got the car and came out

in the morning the whole front end with keyed someone went into the ballet at night and just

keyed the whole front of my car circled the hood ornament and really just was not happy well

then the car got a full repaint you know at that point like that was the only really option to do so

that car has been painted and then I did a full ppf on the entire car so I take that car to the

hill country rally which is you know 800 miles and two days and driving really fun lots of great

drivers out there you know and if I'm driving I'm like I'm just really I went to defensive driving

school to I'm always looking in my mirrors I'm always looking around I'm always very cautious about

that I can't trust anybody but it doesn't add like a crazy level of anxiety to me that I'm like

that baby to about it because I've already repainted the car so it would suck if someone you know

hit my fender and I had to replace a body panel but it's just part of the history of the car there's

nothing I can do about that all of the let's see all of the moonstone cars minus the 924 have had

paintwork the 924 I put just some ppf on the hood because I'm not going to wrap the whole entire

car and I'm not taking the car and hill country rally it's not valid anyway it's not an air cool car

and I put around in that car so you know I think if you had a newer car maybe I'd feel that way

like I definitely do ppf on like the whole car if I bought something new and I recommend that for

anybody just is kind of an easy mental insurance but I think I'd probably be more scared of having

a brand new car that gets its first scratch than a 40 or 50 year old car that's seen 40 or 50

years of various owners in various life so I'm pretty cool with it and I like to drive them like

none of them are like my SC coupe that I just picked up moonstone is a low mile car it's only got like

36,000 miles which is crazy but most of them are all just like mild cars you know the 928 has got

200 some thousand kilometers on it and I've added 13,000 miles in like a year I've driven a car

so much so I love to drive I love to get out and show the cars to people like if they're interested

in them or want to learn about it I don't keep them for myself to diaper room and like hang out

in my garage and just geek out over in my I drive them all period all the time I love that I

love that and thank you for sharing that and Will's a driver I'm a driver Will is a huge fan of

PPFing and it really does protect especially if you are driving behind Will and at speed that is

something I'm 100% going to take up and make sure I do that next time yeah for sure and poor

skills I just can't seem to keep the rear tires on the road that's right hot dog and but there's

so many more questions we could ask you Justin and we're with your blessing going to have you

back on another time because we just really scratched the surface I'm very interested to find out

what kind of questions this is going to generate with the podcast on both video and audio because

it is such a it is such a topic that elicits a lot of emotional response and people will share

their favorite colors but also I'm sure they'll have a lot of questions for you as well so we'll

do another episode and follow up with this at some point in the near future but you just have my

most sincere thanks for joining us it was really such a pleasure you seem like a great dude and

you have one hell of a collection so you know thank you for spending the time yeah awesome I mean time

went by very fast and I think we could talk forever and I totally come back and I definitely also

look forward to hearing what the questions are and learning about what people love for their color

fantastic Will you good yes sir Justin thanks so much man you give me a lot of food for thought

like I've always been this original paint maniac and you know you've given me some food for

thought there and I'll tell you what else is cool and I had to I don't know why I've never

thought about this but like the idea of specking an interesting interior color on you know maybe

something not as outrageous so appreciate it man I look forward to having you back for sure

word sounds great all right I will see you next week my friend and thank you again

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1972 Porsche 911

Albert Blue Birdie

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Alfa Romeo

standard colors

Porsche 924

Mopar

Porsche 356

Porsche 959

flat color

color shifting

importing cool color cars out of Europe

Porsche 964 Turbo

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Macadamia Metallic 97

Lilac

standard color palette

Porsche Carrera 1975

bondo

paint protection film

Nissan 300ZX (996)

Tiptronic transmission

Citroën C4 S

air cooled naturally aspirated cars

Porsche 911 Boxster (986)

PPF

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