Does the Maserati MC20 GT2 Deliver on its Wings?

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All right on this episode of the podcast Zach and I are driving back from Willow Springs in the Maserati

GT2 Stradale, we give a thorough review of the car

Plus I did some very very nerdy things this weekend and I start pulling out my pens

If you know what I'm saying plus our ideas for the best way to get into a prestigious

vintage racing event for under

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Everybody welcome to road show smoking tire podcast in the car. You see Zach and I

are a master of efficiency

When you are in the gig economy for a long time you must be a master efficiency, so

One of the like door-dash while driving lift so you pick up people it smells delicious

But you're delivering food not to them and while reviewing the car for YouTube. Yeah, you know the whole thing and

Wasn't it Parker who did it and you're sponsored by the clothing you're wearing

Was it Parker who did the driving uber for you? I think but for YouTube. I think he did

Anyway, we're in the Maserati

GT2 Stradale, that's the tracky version of the MC 20

We are driving home from Willow Springs and what I was sort of getting at was that unpaid transit time

Unpaid unproductive transit time is one of the hardest parts of this gig

And so one of the best ways to work with that is by recording shows in the car

So I know it's not as optimized as shows in the studio, but we have exactly an hour and a half

From Willow Springs back to the studio, so why not use that time to do a thing that also takes exactly an hour and a half like

so

So

Should we just start with the Maserati? I guess yeah, let's you just spent the morning driving it on the track

Morning on driving a pretty fun time. You know the track to yourself like a fresh powder day

I drove this car at

Skari in Spain. Was it a year ago? I think it was like about a year ago

Yeah, it was like a bronze one. I drove it on the road also, but the roads are very different there of course from here

So people saw my video, you know my take but I was very curious to see what you think about this thing

I mean we ended up in sort of the same place didn't we? I think the thing about

The regular MC 20 is it's it's a supercar that's great up to like seven eight tenths

Not as good as like Porsche and Ferrari and McLaren when you really start pushing it, but nice to use every day

this car

Has more downforce little more horsepower less sound insulation these stupid bucket seats

Lighter wheels stickier tires better brakes, so it is an upgrade package better cooling

You know, it's an upgrade package that's designed to make the car work better on the track

Yeah, the thing is in my experience this morning. It's sort of mirrored

what

Yours was in a Skari although you're a much more limited because they had they had restrictions for yeah, and I could do it

I wanted yeah

the car is

very competent and

Objectively does things pretty well

except the brakes aren't where they should be given the

Given the the rest of the car honestly

And the fact that this is an upgrade package still the brakes should be better right didn't now

Do they feel like they didn't slow you down as much as they should have for the pedal?

They don't have the initial bite. Yeah, that you get out of almost any other set of ceramic brakes

I mean

They feel kind of like ceramic brakes from like 2008

You know where they're very soft on the tip in whereas if you drive a zero six or ZR one

If you drive, I mean, I recall on the MC 20 launch that with same track two years ago

Whatever it was three years ago. We made the mistake of driving a black wing to the launch

Oh, yeah, we did and we drove the MC 20 and got back in the black wing. We're like holy brakes

Yeah, and then in that review we only did on the road. Yeah, and that as a grand touring car

I think it's a pretty strong thing. Well, I and then we drove the spider one whatever convertible like in the Canyon and

Rides pretty well. It's got it's a long car kind of long wheelbase looks fantastic

I just love the shape of it before they add all the carbon to it

But I think they've changed the character a lot, but they haven't gotten it as far as

Where Porsche gets the you know the 9 11 to the RS or McLaren when you get into like the

I don't know 750 land

And also Maserati's racing version of this engine makes 740 horsepower

This only makes 10 more than the standard one. So yes, it's lighter. It's like 135 pounds lighter

It's a little sharper. It's louder

It's a lot less comfortable because the seats

but it's only like a

Little bit tuned up, you know

And it's a big price jump. You know the only spice that's added is a neat discomfort

You know like yeah during the drivebys the car is not that much louder outside. It's a not a very loud car

It's a very small v6 and it just sounds kind of like a vacuum

Which I have a turbo it doesn't sound like anything in the car either in fact like as you'll see in the video

You know on the track

It's like it's it's not

It's not setting any new standards, right? It's not blowing any minds if you if you're experienced

McLaren 750 or a zr1 or something like that is is much more explosive

And sharper as well

Um, but the real problem is if you're not going to hit those marks

If you're not going to be faster if you're not going to be sharper more explosive

I need I need a little more emotion

And particularly with a helmet on this engine just like doesn't sound like anything like if I go down

four gears from a like

It's

It's generally like pleasant, but it's definitely not exciting. I think it sounds so much

I'm just realizing this it's sound much like a mirror. Yeah, like you've got a v6 right here

That had a little blower wine

But that car costs a hundred thousand dollars, you know

So this car three times as much not three times the sound not even a little bit plus the turbo quiets things down a little bit

It just it just lacks like any of the verve and spice and kind of passion stuff

Where I think the road car is a totally good like art piece to drive around. Yeah, but this tries to be

This extruded like, you know extraverted track thing, but it can't like

It's someone on someone on steroids who can't fight. Yeah, that's what it is. We got wing

We got canards. We got air vents

But it's just like not that quick not that exciting and the regular one is a fast

fun

comfortable usable

daily supercar

And this one takes away a bunch of the usability of it

But it doesn't exchange it for like all that much more fizz, right?

Having let me look it's not not fun

But this car is three and a quarter

Like when when stuff starts when stuff starts talking about

Numbers that start with a three

I need my head blown off. You know what I mean? Like especially now that the zr1 is in the game. Yeah

because the zr1

Delivers the performance that you typically had to spend

400,000 on a 750 to get you can now get that for 220. Yeah

That type of speed and that type of like oh mark, you know like

Wants to tear the tires off the ground kind of thing

And I think like what is a 296 start at base?

Ford of course. Yeah, they're they're they're more expensive and

They're sharper, but that's the thing. Yeah

Yes, it's more expensive, but that is not it's not the 296 track version, right? No, it's a regular one. Yes

It's a regular one, but I think it's got a more exciting sound by a huge margin. Still it's also a small v6

Uh transmission's fantastic steering is sharper. Uh, it's just got like you get more sound in the car

I just think it's a better more exciting thing and it's not even yet the 296 cs

Right now if you yeah, if you're talking about the the speciale or uh, or whatever they're calling it

Yeah, I mean any of the piece to models like those were all turned up a notch. Yes

This is trying to be that but it doesn't it can't even compete with the one that is the entry level car

Yeah, which is like

a shame because

I actually like the car like I think it's very pretty

I think it looks I think at this price point and in this category looks really do matter

And I think it's

Prettier than anything Ferrari is making right now

I think the regular the regular one is this one

It might jump the shark a little bit and maybe

like

I haven't tried to build one

Maybe you could get one with a matching roof or like you could maybe like

But even let's call it e-ray it up a little bit where you where you you know what I mean

You know I'm talking about where you like paint match the stuff

I do right man

Maserati like what a comparison like if you could do make this a little more corvette

You know that would really help the aesthetics and also, you know, I've been spending hours crapping on these seats

And they are actually optional

So you can you can get oh, maybe you can get the gt2 stradale with the regular seats, which actually

might be the move I mean it would be the move because

Nothing about its

GT2 stradaliness makes it worse of a car every day, but the seats that's true. The ride is still pretty good

Yeah, like the marketing says the the press release I read for this. It's like

Barely street legal track car like bro

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Slash tire and now back to the show. I have been

Dailying this thing around la for six days like it's fine

Other than climbing in and out of it with these seats

Out of that you get absolutely daily this car

So I don't know I'm laughing at the you know thing the software

Simple, you know, you don't have to you're not going to get lost in it, which is good

um

And I haven't had anything about it fail

Or or or freeze, but it does take a minute to boot up

You know when you turn it on and get that that disclaimer and that accept button doesn't do anything for 30 45 seconds

That's that's a little slow to boot up

and then also

It makes a couple of beeps and boops

That I I did are not accompanied with any visual

Indicator of any kind and I cannot figure out what they mean

No clue what they mean and and I've turned off all of the eight ass beeps and boops

So it's not that they happen at random times and there's two different

chimes I've heard

Couldn't tell you what they do

No clue. I heard one. Yeah same

I was in the car today and it did a little bing and we looked around and we looked at the gauges and there was no

There was no visual. Nothing. Nothing. Usually the chime is a

Asshole your parking brakes on or so, you know something because there's the horn one

There's the little Italian horn, but that's like the forward collision one, right?

And it does it if you're if you don't have the blinker on to change lanes and you move lanes it kind of alerts you

Uh, but that one we identified, but yeah, there's a lot of other little big box

Boxed in by this. Got no cop holder also. No cup holders is tough

Sorry to say even in my

Even in my quote track day car

I would like a cup holder. I do because I'm having a coffee on the way to the track, right?

Um, how was uh transmission like on the track, you know, you you did a lot more laps than I was allowed to do

Yeah, so how was that upshift downshift speeds? It's fine. It's effectively the same as it is in the corvette. It's the same gearbox

Tremac

DCT and

You know in my opinion that that gearbox does what it's told

The the speed of the shifts and the response time from paddle to gear change is well within my tolerance of

Of not criticizing. It was fine. Uh, if you bang the red line, it stays there

It's got actually I think this

This may be the best implementation of shift lights on the steering wheel. I've seen

They're hidden

They're totally hidden in this carbon fiber top of the steering wheel, but they're just da-da-da-da and they come they're really nice

That's dope because they're just it's not this big. It's not like a screen

In there, right? Well, I mean ferrari has that too

But you can some you still to see the scene where they put the light in the wheel. Yeah, that's gone now now

You can't see you can't see or feel anything. So that's great

um

Yeah, no, there's like there's a good bit about this car to like there really is it's just that

at this price point

You gotta like you gotta wow the shit out of me, you know and at at least a couple of boxes

If there's 10 categories

And you're charging 300 gram

You need three or four those categories to be 10 out of 10, you know what I mean and the rest need to be like sevens

Like you can't you can't have a car that's

A bunch of eights or a bunch of sevens and then charge

That kind of money for it. Well because the competition yeah from mclaren Porsche

That corvette, I mean they're charging either the same money or less

And they're hitting those markers of like the transmission is perfect. The braking response is what you expect and want

You know getting in and out of all those cars is easier

Yeah, well without the roof you when you have butterfly doors and no roof cutouts and then carbon buckets

Uh, you you have a sort of worst-case scenario of having to crunch me and zack look like

So broke they were 70 years old broken ass people getting out of this car hold ourselves in here

Oh, it's not great. It's not as bad as that lotus last week, but it's close. Okay. Yeah, that was that was a smaller car

tough, yeah

So it's who you know, who is this car for?

I mean, I hate to say it because not a good reason, but it's really like someone who is

Unsatisfied with the other mainstream offerings and just sort of wants to be different

Well, if you don't want to wait and line at Ferrari and buy if you don't want to buy their suv's

Before you can get something. Azarotti will happily sell you. He'll happily sell you this. Yeah. Yeah, so

And I think if you you know if you

If you're fortunate enough to be in the kind of social circles where

Other a lot of other people have gt-free's or a lot of other people have

Lambos and

You know in the kind of circles where people drive this stuff like that's possible. Yeah

There is something to be said for being different. Yes

You know is this this this is different

You're going to be the only guy at the track day who's got one. You're going to be the only guy at the cars of coffee who's got one

Maserati does mean something the name

It's a carbon-tub car. I mean it's

It's very much a super car

And if you're not going to be pushing it beyond the limits

You know constantly and you really are honest with yourself. You'd be you're really just going to be driving it around

Then it's cool

I mean you definitely look it looks the part. Yeah, and then if it starts to

Play the part, you know, maybe uh, it's accent falls apart

You know here and there like throughout the scene because it's not perfect on the racetrack

You did some six slides though speaking of going over the limit. So was it talkative? Did you know what that was about to happen?

It's not very talkative on the entry

Uh, the the steering field does not have much the steering does not have much feel

Uh, having said that the chassis itself

Is extremely balanced and so once you get it loose

It's very easy to hold the angle and adjust the angle with the throttle nice

Uh, and it is well behaved on the unwind

For the most part

Um, but on the entry

It's not it you can't really pendulum it because it is very mid-engine. It's not a rear super rear bias

And the steering is it telling you what's going on like a McLaren you can you could

Slide it on the entry because your steering is so great that at this you kind of can't

Um, but it does hold some decent slides on going on the exit

Once you've got it crossed up. It's very easy to hold it there. It appeared so yeah

There's some good tire smoke

Uh, do these cup twos get smoky?

Yes, cool several times

Those are all second gear slides. They were not

Out coming onto the front straight. I banged the rev limiter in second the burnout on the launch

I did into three gears. Whoa. That was a three first one the first one you did late nice 11

Yeah, and I mean these tires don't smoke up like

I don't know third gear held cat like it's not billowing out but it is it is visible wisps

It is it was it I mean anything is fun to slide I will say that when you are when you are

Sliding it. It doesn't have any terrible habits

You just hold hold your throttle position

And gently wind and unwind the wheel and it will it'll stay balanced, which is very nice

Now for me like Maserati

I I love to love them and I want to love them and we drove that last Gran Turismo

And I was really impressed with it as like an eight tenths

Yeah long distance and then take a canyon between highways. Yeah, totally capable fun

Felt really balanced even like everything about it. I was really surprised pleasantly surprised

Despite how similar it was in appearance to the old one and then when we had it on the track for performance car of the year

What you really tried to drive it past the limit of grip and was very unhappy. Gotcha. That was all we'll drive also

So yeah, part of that is why but but it was it was not happy to be doing that stuff same as the

Mercedes

Sl's and gts now the hamg gts. They're fabulous

within

The left within grip. They're awesome. They're fast

very competent comfortable

great in the canyons

But if you start to want to do big slides, they they get very confused

And so but that's that's a very small number of people that are doing that. Oh, definitely

I just think Maserati like they've made such nice art and it's pretty good at looking good going pretty fast

But not just not the fastest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this seems like an example

And I'm not trying to disrespect the company constantly if it sounds like it

If they try to turn that volume knob from eight to ten to or to eleven

I don't know if they don't have the development. They don't have the budget for it

I don't know what happens. It's just like they can't or maybe it's just the car

You know the bones are not there to begin with like it's a fantastic gt car, but you can't make it a track car

Yeah, I mean, you know car and driver weighed

The regular mc 20 and even though it was a carbon tub

Without any hybrid stuff in or anything. It was like 3700

Like high 37s. So

They you know, if if they've shaved 135 pounds out of this

This is still over

3600 pounds with a carbon tub and no hybrids like that's a lot. That's heavy like so

It's it even though it's carbon. It's not

As efficient of a of a chassis or setup as it could be

Kind of wonder where the weight comes from because it's we got no cup holders

We got a lot of visible carbon. It's and I'm not trying to like it's a pretty spartan car. Yeah, but

I don't know. Maybe the doors are made of steel or something. Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, it's heavier than a lot of the

cars that it is competing against

So and and the ones that where the weight is the same they've got hybrid systems in them

And the hybrid systems are delivering that sort of special sauce

That make the cars feel just like insanely fast and responsive

You know, on the other hand, like there's people that absolutely do not want to buy a hybrid car

They're not buying a 296. They're not gonna do an artur. They're not doing lambos. They do not want the hybrid

so like

You know, this is like fairly traditional setup. It's got an internal combustion engine and a you know

And a light ish weight body. So

For most people

And truly for most people this would be a very very fast car. Yeah, very true

We're we're in pretty rarefied air in terms of being able to

Critique this thing and go. Well, it's it's eight tenths the vast majority. I scared the shit out of Hannah

On the 90 the other day

Nice, I mean it didn't it and it didn't take much, you know

Yeah, it's fast

When you get into it and like that boost kicks and it really goes. Yeah

We're just we're just we're nitpicking because we can compare it to its competition. Yeah, that's what you have to do

I but I still think that the road car and especially like the spider is

one of the most beautiful

And mid-engine cars made like pretty much of any air

I just think it's a fantastic shape great thing to drive around a great thing that park has tons of presents

fast enough

I wish it sounded like a little more

But maybe there's aftermarket exhaust from somebody although it is a a small v6

So you gotta be careful with that limited options there. You could make it sound terrible

You know what surprised me is

In my head, I went oh you just buy

Just buy the the regular one like used for half price

According to bat

You know, they they have to appreciate it more than some other supercars

But not as much as you think oh if you if you want like a low mile one

You're looking at 200 still wow like the cheapest one that sold was 155

And it was an early coop with like 18,000 miles on it. Not that 18,000 is is all that many but

You know that that was the cheapest one. So

They haven't appreciated in the first couple of years quite as fast as I thought they would so

So that's I mean that's good news. I guess if you own one

Bad news if you expected to buy one at half price so fast, you know, yeah, I thought they were going to drop faster than that

Yeah, me too me too

Um, so that's the the gt gt2 stradale. There will be a video up

Subtract driving some smoky slides and things like that

Uh, you'll that'll be up. I don't know in a couple of weeks because we gotta edit that shit

Uh, so on the way up to the track zack and I were talking about he went he went to a magic the gathering tournament

I did. Oh, yeah, I didn't go to a tournament. It wasn't a tournament

No, it was like a house party that had four or five tables also set up for funsies. Oh, okay

yeah, so so I was imagine the gathering tournament and

And you know, that's that's fairly dorky. No, I'm not hating I used to play magic the gathering that is fairly dorky

But yesterday I went to the california pen show

at the torrance marriott

Which was every bit as dorky as I hoped it could be

By the way, when I told our friends gen and our friends sara about this

They were both like in they couldn't wait. Oh everybody. I was about to ask

What the demographic of men and women was a dependant show?

Because I was curious if the magic the other party I went to it was like 50 50. Okay. No, it was um, this was this was

More women than you would have thought like it wasn't the pens at because also it's like

It's like, you know fountain pens, but also like calligraphy and artistry

pens and then there's the whole

subgenre of like the japanese

pens which are

Just a different like style of panda

Oh, like the kind of stuff you would see it like moji, you know, okay

So there's like those cheap pens which could be anywhere from

two dollars

To 10 or 15 dollars and those are a lot of your japanese pens

Uh and stuff like that and then you have yeah, what was the square footage of this convention?

Oh more than you would think I would say there were probably

Dozens or hundreds

Of booths square feet of square feet. Oh no, dude. There was probably

10,000 square feet

Wow, it was a big ballroom

And then a smaller ballroom at the torrents

marriott

Got it. Okay. There was probably like 100 to 120 vendors

Of pens papers journals

Things like that. What was the most expensive pen there that you know about the most expensive pen I saw

was

Uh

Like a hundred thousand dollars and it was literally like gold and rubies

I mean it was it was jewelry. It was a pen

It was like a fucking it was like it was like a new pen or was it was it from 400 years ago?

No, it was new, but it was it was new, but it was done by like

jake of the scribbler

Jake of the jeweler. Yeah, I know like like it's out

Yes, it was gold. It was like a scepter

That happened to right

Take the scepter shrink it it was put a little it was big and it was thick and it was covered in jewels

Okay, all right. Yeah. Yeah, but that was like that was like pretty unique. There was only

One or two vendors that were selling pens that were like

Actual jewelry and covered in like diamonds and shit everything else

ran the gamut from

Vintage pens, you know real estate

estate sale, you know type vintage pens

to

new pen manufacturers had their head stuff to sell and like independent art like there's like

small independent pen companies like that'll

That'll make pens out of like a resin or wood or different interesting materials and stuff. Okay, and so

The dorkiest people were the were the the vintage pen people these are like

These are the nerdiest people I've ever seen in my life talking about, you know

the the gold nibs from the 40s versus, you know all this and they've got

Just a crazy variety of stuff that is

It's different, but it like looks mostly, you know, it looks mostly the same like how many black and gold pens

Can there be you know, I mean like but they are depends what we are to cars like, you know for sure so they could talk about

The whatever the pen version is of like the brake doesn't engage early enough on the travel for sure, but it's it's with a car

Well, I'll tell you with a pen it's closer to a car than like a watch

Because you don't like you feel how a watch fits on your wrist, but you don't feel the machinery in there moving, you know

You don't work is it? Yeah, whereas how a pen

Physically meets the paper

Can feel a little different, you know and and the ink can flow different

Depending on if you're talking fountain pens like the actual nib or is it a gel or a roller ball or you know, whatever so

So like I like these fountain pens now because I don't have to press down

I just glide it on the page. I don't have to like grip it and press it in and I really like that

I can have such a loose

so

You know, we've talked about it before but it's always been like

I didn't want to just like go hard into this

Stupid collecting stuff

But I've like lose the pen or something. So I started with the

the pack of six

pilot

disposable fountain pens

I said, all right, if I get through these

I'll buy

A 25 dollar right so I got a 25 dollar pen. I liked it. I had it for like a year

And then and now I got like a the metal version of that one was like a 50 dollar pen

The lamby safari. So I've had that

for about a year

Haven't lost it gone through a couple of cartridges

So is this someone just spraying their windshield? Yeah, and uh

So I was like, all right the pen show

You know, if I could maybe I'll now bump up

To something that's like a hundred

All right, you know not like but what I found out is like watches. There's a really big gap

in between 50 and about

275 300

There's almost nothing that's good

In between that wow like for 50 you can get a basic pen

With a decent nib

That will just be one color of something and we'll just kind of look all right

It won't look like anything. It'll just be a pen

But if you want something that looks cool

Whether it's made of resin or wood or metal or like whatever

You're probably spending 250 to 300 and

I was very shocked at the number of people that were there

At the number of pens that were in the thousands

They were in the four figures between 1,000 and 10,000

There's a lot of pens where I picked it up and I went, well, that's a very nice pen

I'd like I'd like how much is that?

$4,500

Whoa

And what so what makes the cost that high is it the material it's made of it's it'll be it'll be like

It'll be made of some really nice material. It'll be made by hand

It'll be it won't just be a resin mold

They'll they'll have made a hundred resin molds and chosen the very best one

You know, it's it's

The little things that make you know, why why is it why is a

Think think 911 Carrera T versus GT3 touring

From 50 feet away. Why is one of these twice the price of the other? It's all it's all those things or a watch

Yeah, why is it Rolex five times the price of a notice canyon?

Well, you need it. You need to be up close and see

Small differences. So but but I I I was a all right. So if I'm gonna actually spend any money at this place

You know, I have to up my budget a little bit

But also there were so many vendors that unless I saw something that really spoke to me

I wasn't I didn't feel forced

So I I ended up buying two pens

And I will show them to you. I have them in my pocket. Oh, I took them out of the manbag before

I put them in my pocket

So, okay pen number one

Wow, it's like in a cigar case in a cigar case

It's from a small company in Philadelphia

And what's hilarious is I fucking forget the name of the company. It's just an attached to cardboard too

So this is an anodized aluminum that's been like color treated in sort of a fun way

This is uh, Sean's

Sean Oson, Sean Oson. Okay, sure

And uh, you unscrew it to take the to take the cap off

But I like that it's metal and I like the color profile

And this one has an extra fine nib on it, which is the very narrowest one

So that when I write in my notebook, it won't bleed through got it. Yeah

So

I haven't I like this pen this pen was uh, was $200 you could change the cartridges, right? Yeah different colors

This one has cartridges, but it also has um

There's a thing there's a thing it's called like an adapter or converter

It's called a converter and you can use it as a the pen that sucks the ink of the nib

Or you can just use interchangeable cartridges. I like interchangeable. So for people listening

It's like two different colors of gray kind of like splotchy paint with then yellow accents that crisscross on it sort of like

It's like uh, like any van Halen's guitar. Yeah pattern. Oh, it's like a lotus roof

Like the lotus it is like hold it up to the camera and then the uh, the nib has like

Some what's it called? Um engraving on it. Yeah, well the engraving says who made it and what kind of nib it is so

Uh, and and then by the way the nibs

They can be made of different stuff. So this company

Offered steel and titanium nibs. The titanium nib was a $200 premium

So this same pen with the titanium nib was four on print, right?

So I did not I elected to not the st

Because then it weighs just a little bit less. I just I wrote with both nibs and and I there was not a huge difference

Now there are some pens that use a gold nib and I really do like gold nibs and they are

Very expensive. They're like $400. Wow old nib

So so that's pen number one. This is the other one and this one is a little more expensive

All right, and a felt case the fit I put it in the case. Okay. It's got like a

bronze clip

Well, when you take it out, you'll know the whole whoa, so this pen is made of punk. It's it's steam punk

Oh, yeah, this is made of resin up your alley, but on the inside of the resin it has a knocked tin

Uh, uh surfacing with interspersed with watch gears

Yeah, so it's this total steam punk vibe

That I really like it's like you're looking at some really old school machinery

That's happening in there. Well, and it looks like it's it looks like there's a bunch of little squares riveted together to make the body of

You know like a torpedo. Yes that you made yourself and then it's got all the uh, the little gears kind of sprinkled about

Yeah, that's cool. So this company had this was called, uh

I believe it's called eagle pen company

Um, and they had some other stuff that was dope too

They had they had a couple of pens that were made of fully disassembled watches including the dial

But this uh, this steam punky guy really spoke to me

So I think this one this one was a little more expensive. This one was 325

Um, but it does have a slightly higher end dib on it

Um, and I I think they're both really cool

So hopefully I won't lose them. I was looking at that. I thought the handle length was different. They're slightly different

Yeah, um, you know and and these are you know, I'm not going to travel with them

I have my travel fountain pens the other pen my 50 dollar pen

That's now my travel fountain pen, right? So these can live on my desk. Yeah, that's cool

And this is a very stupid hobby. I mean it really is but like they kind of all are they're all all our hobbies are pretty stupid

My back. Oh, dude. I've hit the hourly limit of these seas are so dumb

Uh, where's my little felt case there? Oh, yeah

so, I mean

I at least I did it right. I didn't just start by

From going from nothing to going from you did that thing like a parent

Like you started with a goldfish because you wanted a dog and you know if you take care of this

Yes, you know prove that you're really into having a pet and you did that

That's very good. I I feel like I'm about at my because

The idea of spending over a thousand dollars on a pet to me is like a little sickening

You know, even though I like look I

I other people could go but you spent how much on a blank. So like I get it. I'm not throwing stones, but

it would just uh

You know, there's steps with watches too, right? Like you got it. There's jumps in in quality, right?

But with a pen once you get to

Something that feels nice in your hand and has a cool look and a gold nib

You're at the end of the functionality and then it's like jewels and shit

Well, but then you get it the thing the difference is the watch you wear in public

Right other people see it other watch people see it not not necessarily like you want to show off

But other people will recognize what you've purchased and it might be into it also

The pen if you mostly use it at your desk, no one sees it very much for you

So that slippery slope of now i'm getting past the gold nib and i'm just collecting to collect like yeah

That's what pulls people in and they just it's like people that have 50 different knives

Right, it's all the same and I think dudes dudes love to collect stuff

We get into a hobby and we get really like into the minutiae

We get a bunch of the things and then we move to the next one and whatever we all do it

If I I can imagine like

If I was like a lawyer in court, you know and my my pen was like part of my courtroom wardrobe, you know

Match it to my tie or whatever fuck you do that. That's a that's a thing

You know, I think but I think it's cool because it it's something that that makes you happy to use

Even if no one sees it. Yeah, it's dance like no one's watching. Yeah

Yeah, I do that's why I really liked

This the metal one was about supporting a small business from Philly

And the other one was like I I like I'll leave that sitting on my desk and I will enjoy seeing it there

every day

But if you've never ridden with a fountain pen

I really do like that. You just don't have to apply any pressure

To the page

That's really nice. My hands if I if I write a lot

Feel better afterwards. Yeah, because you're not pushing down. Yeah using all those muscles

Uh, do you want it? Were you looking at questions? I'm trying to pull it up. Yeah

Did I have I did have something else in my notebook that I wanted to discuss on this program?

And let's see if I can remember it

Um

What does that say? This thing sounds terrible right now. It's like cylinder. Oh, yeah, when you

It's like here like a little here. There's a clattery

I can't so what is um

It's it's it's pre-check open or closed right now. What did you hear about this? No, I hope this doesn't age poorly in the show

but

Yesterday they announced or two days ago that because of the dhs shutdown that they were closing pre-check in global entry

And then there was a huge backlash, obviously

They said no no no not not pre-check just global entry

Uh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. Oh, right because the shutdown they shut down dhs. Exactly

um, I don't know

and my guess is

That they're not shutting down like the bad things like

Ice raids they're shutting down the things that people find convenient

And they will demand will compromise

In order to have them reopened because they don't want to be a convenience. Yeah because like that's

The political strategy like I think the democrats right now are initiated shutdown because of ice and other stuff

Yeah, but they will you know the other party will try to make them look as bad as possible vice versa

But I've got four flights in the next week including an international

Oh, that's right. I'm going I'm coming back from ice race, and I'm going to spain

Straight turn around to spain. I mean if there's any reassurance the last time I flew in from a different country

I was I landed I went. Oh, I still haven't done the global entry thing

And then I walked up and they had the new eye scanners

And it was faster than the global entry line like I went through so quickly at lax

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in time for the summer and

Yeah, all right, yama habibi says what are our favorite subarus we've driven and why?

It pretty much starts and ends with the rsti swaps

Yeah, I mean that's really it

there's

JDM sti i've never driven a real 22b, but

The JDM 2 liter sti engine i like better than the us 2.5

And a 2.5 rs with a sti powertrain

Is about as good as it gets in the states, you know, yeah

small light

Fast enough. Yeah, I drove that japanese

Legacy that had the sequential turbos

Remember in connecticut we did that for two years

And that was neat a different and weird

If you want it to be neat and different and weird

But that's about it

My back is

Fucking hurting right now from this cot. What if I people listening the

My back is not the only part of my back that's contacting the seat is

From about the middle of my lats

About four inches down in my ribs. That's it nothing above nothing below

No lumbar like no lower part of my back is touching a seat right now. It is like

It's like your back is leading against two

I don't know like half cut watermelons. It's weird. Yeah, it's terrible

um

Uh

Peaches for free says I got a I received an i wc vulvo ocean race edition for a birthday

And I don't know anything about watches. Does this take wear and tear well?

Yes, i wcs are very tough watches

They you could beat the shit out of them

You know, don't get it wet unless you are sure the crown is screwed down

So you don't get water in there, but yes, all i wcs are tough watches particularly what which one they get ocean racing

Something vulvo ocean race edition. I mean

That's going to be a tough watch right ocean race. That's a that's a pretty

elemental thing sturdy. Yeah

um

Deuce alpha omers

Uh, I think it's two how two alpha homies

Do alpha omers says, uh, your man gets you parked next to bajillionaire cars

True, what would we buy to do a vintage rally?

Like the copper state 1000 so if we had 50 grand to spend on a pre 1974 car

Somebody and I want to say it was collin comer at hagerty

wrote a great article

Covering that exact thing. What is the cheapest way I can get into?

a prestigious vintage rally and

prestigious vintage rallies

prioritize

Story and heritage and historical significance over make model, right?

So you shouldn't try and get a shitty Porsche. You should try and get

Some fucking terrible car

that ran

in lemaw

In

1970 32 I think there was like an f-class. Yeah, like like I think in the article there was like

Some triumphs that were like junk

That ran in in there like a launcia full via or something like weird two box stuff that

That there were strange factory teams for

You know weird fiat's and stuff

Um, look up collin comers article, but like what would I what would we buy like I would be looking for

Something like that

You know, maybe there's a

Maybe there's like a corvette somewhere

That was uh, that was like an scca race car or something. That would be rad if I get you know, uh

Like a triumph. Um, the little spitfires are very cool

Uh

Mate, I don't know gg 350 is lame, but I would still want that's what I would want to drive

Is something loud and kind of fast from period

Yeah, but if I need to apply and get something weird and obscure like a bug-eye sprite race car from back in the day

Yeah, that that would be exciting and weird

um

Uh, what do we think about duck tail spoilers on 997 dot twos? I like I'm I'm pro

I think they're pro the existence. I like I like when you balance it out with the gt3 chin splitter though

Uh, I don't like when you when you do the duck tail, but leave the base

And oh, yeah, yeah, you got a balance. Yeah, you need that

Um, michael very simply named michael says why does buick still exist in gm's lineup?

Shouldn't it have gone the way of poniac saturn and voltmobile?

I mean

For a while the answer to that question was china, but I I don't think they're buying any buicks in china anymore

I think they're buying vyd's shit over there now

I don't know. I would have to look up

Uh

Their annual sales here in the globally. I feel like they sell a lot of rental cars

I do see their crossovers around a fair bit

But I don't know if that's enough to sustain them for the next 10 years. I I am also surprised. They still exist

I am too. I I don't know

I mean

What it would what it would take for me to buy a buick

Today, I I'm not really sure but I've never seen it

I mean, I think buick if if gm, you know performance really wanted to

To to try and do something interesting

I think a buick grand national that was like an like an electric drag car

Could be cool

Like if they got the design right and they made it, you know

The Cadillac iq motors or whatever in there like that could be cool

Yeah, I mean

They need something like that to rejuvenate

Yeah, you know the interest of anyone under 60 years old. Yeah, so I don't know

But I don't know if that would then if they have the money to do that to even try

um

Ali Dain Chevar Dain Chevar says do we think bit?

Do we think Mercedes BMW and Audi should keep their light high performance trims like the s3 s4

the 43 and 53 amg's and the blah blah bmw's

Given it seems like bmw is phased to those out on the five in the seven series

I mean, I think yes like the s3 is a good car

It's in they sell a lot of them. They didn't phase them out. They made them electric

Now with bmw, it's the m

Oh, the i5

m60 or whatever it's so they refocus those

And by the way those the ones I've driven the bmw's are not very good

Oh, I think I think the 53 amg is a good car. I think the engine works great smooth fast powerful

I think it's a great midpoint and the performance is enough where I think it justifies that name being on there

That wasn't the case always especially like I don't know 15 years ago

When they were just slapping those into the batches on everything

I don't I don't at all hate, you know

m performance and then m or

The s and then rs like that's fine

What I really don't love is when they do the s line

Which is where you basically get the wheels and the bumpers but with the base engine. Yeah

That I I don't love. I'm not like offended by it, but it seems like you're

Cashing in the equity you built

By building fast cars. Yeah, you're a spectator at at a football game wearing a jersey

You're like, oh, I'm I'm also an s out. You're like, no, you're not you don't have any of the horsepower

Do we actually talked about that already course we did

Uh your poorest patron says what is our take on the current Rolex ad environment?

And where would we buy on the gray market?

Uh

Well, I have heard

That it is easier to buy some watches now

That you know some of that hype balloon burst

Uh, you know people that

The thought that watches were an investment grade thing that would just keep going up

I think they've figured out that that's not the case entirely. So

There is stuff you can get, you know, you still have to do the the bullshit. I mean, you still got to jump through the oops

And my advice if you want to buy a Rolex from an authorized dealer brand new

Is to is has always been the same

pick an occasion

That's like a thing that's happening in your life

And you want to get the watch for that occasion go in there. Tell them about the occasion

Tell them why you want to match that watch whatever and then immediately start asking

You know, could I get this watch in time for this occasion? That's a few months down the road

Immediately start asking about getting the watch engraved

Uh

Because if you're going to get the watch engraved, you're not going to flip it

Nobody engraves a watch to flip it. So

In my opinion and experience that's the best way

To project to these folks

That you're not trying to make money on a flip

Oh

Well bottomed out, right? Yeah, we hit the bump right there

And they takes all the fucking damper out of it and it's actually possible to bottom it out. Wow

Oh my back too. Oh this sucks

Um, okay, so at gray market, I mean, you know bobs crowning caliber european watch

um

You know ebay with their authentication program

um

But uh, yeah, I think I think unless you want a fucking white dial Daytona or something

Or a pepsi gmt

I think you could sell it to an ad and I think you would get the hook up

All right, uh, listen and sometimes watch she says how much more special does a c806 feel compared to the stingray?

Does it feel more special when you're not in the canyon? Yes the engine the powertrain

Feels like a ferrari powertrain

Not like a fucking truck powertrain every time you start it every time you accelerate decelerate downshift

It will not sound like a camaro a truck a corvette like it'll just sound so special

Yeah, it's that the zero six sounds and revs and feels

And gives the vibes that are most commonly associated with the best ferrari's

Not not chevys

Uh, it kills me not to notice says with the epa no longer regulating tailpipe emissions and tax credits for evs gone

Do we think the market for evs will dry up in the united states?

Not entirely, but you know it will shrink. Yeah, but I think a lot of people

That let me let you're an example that have driven evs go. I'm never going back. Yeah, I daily

It's just there's too many benefits

But they've taken a bunch of money out of it. So or sorry a bunch of the financial incentives and that will definitely shrink the market

Um covered that

Let's see I blow horns have we driven high downforce cars where you have to ease off the brake pedal before breaking from high speed

As the downforce bleeds off or do we just let abs sort it out?

So if you're driving high downforce, yeah, I guess when you go to the brakes, do you release gas?

Let diesel kind of work its magic then brake or do you still go directly from gas to break? So go fast to break

I've never driven

I mean, I've driven a couple of slow prototype cars

You know like sub two thousand pound but like 200 horsepower cars where you do have downforce

But it's not like Le Mans grade downforce

And then I just drove the I spent the day with the Mustang GT3 which does have downforce

and

No, I've I've not done the thing that is described there. I go

I'm on my I'm left foot braking and I'm going from full gas to full brake

Pretty pretty hard. I think something they bring up though is if you're driving a really high speed if you're up at

160 70 80 or above you can't just come off the brakes or sorry come off gas and go right to brakes

If you're doing like a top speed event, you kind of want to like eat onto sure if you're going 200 miles

Yeah, yeah

Yeah, if you're going 200 miles an hour

You need to like come off the gas let the car settle then hit the brakes, right? Yeah. Yeah, you can't just go gas brake

uh

Most of the time if you really do have a ton of downforce you might be

More likely to do like when it's sketchy to do that

Is in a car like a McLaren 570 or the early Koenigsegg when you have no rear wing

And you transfer that weight forward without a stabilizing element in the back and the back wiggles all around, right?

That's like the uh the singer v maxed in that shin too

Howdy tt. Yeah, you know the back end getting light. Yeah, very dangerous at high

So I think if you have a balanced downforce package, you should be able to go

from gas to brake

As fast as one can

You know unless you're talking about like literal land speed cars or something

um temple of the unimog

With many cars coming back as flops parentheses like the prelude the eclipse cross blazer ev

What are some name plates that were resurrect resurrected and were better than the original?

That's tough because I feel like a lot of the cars that kept getting better. They they kept around

That's a good point. They just stuck around. They didn't kill them and then bring them back

Like I feel like the sixth gen Camaro is the best Camaro

But they never they never you know, they didn't son. They didn't put it to bed for 10 years

And it looked you know, the things go to bed for two years while they make the new one and then they bring out the next generation

Oh, that's so interesting. Um

But if they brought back a name from the Bronco

Oh, yeah Bronco is the is the obvious one. That's the best answer

Uh

That was gone. You could say Toyota fj

Maybe how about Corvette Stingray?

Just bringing back the names the name Stingray. Yeah

uh

How about have any of the

Oh Aston bringing back the vanquish

Oh, that was a good one. The new vanquish is epic. Yeah

uh

What other who else has got

That's did Toyota has Toyota hasn't brought back any dead names

Well, they the Supra took a long break the Supra. Oh, that's an interesting one that car got better in

Yeah, the the new one is better than I think the mark four

Mark four is the legend. Yeah, you could still get it

But now you can get a ton of power out of the b58 and it also handles way better. Yeah, so that's actually a better driver's car

It just doesn't have all the provenance

All right, good question. That's a good question

We have 15 minutes all right

Um send prelude says you're very vocal about being against adas, but

They can't help but think but for 95 percent of regular drivers

It probably helps prevent fender benders in small accidents

Do we think it is beneficial for the average non-enthusiast of driver?

I mean, I think it definitely is. Yes, I do

But I think if you're an enthusiast the tentative driver

You need to be able to fully disable it and it needs to stay in the settings where you left it

Like my problem with adas isn't that it exists

it's that

It's when it can't be disabled fully or when it if when it had you have to go through this process every time you start the car

and that process is very

obtuse and

and a waste of time and a waste of energy and it's in menus and and

Particularly in a luxury car. It's not a luxurious experience

Um, but yeah, I'm not against the my I I actually I mean rather than having

A quote self-driving car where you zone out and take a nap

I mean, I think we should have cars that you drive yourself, but are basically uncrashable

Um and adas is what's on the way to that

But some of the systems suck and if you can't turn them off every time and you want them off like that sticks

Uh

Steven j 24 k has a 20 29 92.1 career s, but it's pdk

Uh, enjoy it but thinking about swapping it out for a 9 11 with a manual maybe a cab

Something more fun more visceral under 150 grand

What what should they do? What should they buy?

Uh spider

Yeah, if you want convertible manual fun, I'd probably just get a spider

Yeah

But if you want a cab like a 9 11 cab

Dude a karara t cab with a stick would be fire

That's a lovely car. It's true the new one with the six speed

I you're just maybe getting in under 150

For one of those but if you can if you can swing a karara t cab

Light on the options that would be fabulous

Wow quadro folio face says they bought a brand new maserati grikale trofeo for a third off msrp

Nice would we buy an mc 20 for a similar discount?

A third off so that would be a hundred and ten thousand dollars off

So I would so this this would be that two

220 instead of 330

I

Still wouldn't buy this car, but I would buy the regular mc 20 for a third off in a second. Yeah, I would too. Yeah

Um, I love vag

Com or vagcom vagcom

Uh 20 27 purchased they want to spend 40 grand rural drive manual

No track use just a fun thing

I'm sorry. I was passing say that again

If you have if you're spending 40 grand for a fun rear wheel drive manual car that will ever see a track

That corvette, right? Corvette

Or sector gen ctsv or those still uh, sure or like a 996

You know, uh karara 4s

Wow, you usually able to get turbos for that money. That's nuts for 40 grand. Yeah

Uh, you'd get a terrible turbo with an automatic for that. No, you used to be able to I know

I know you still could you if you want an auto you can get one for 40 grand, but yeah

Um, I feel like we've covered that a lot

Thoughts on the mark a gti versus r for daily and occasional spirited road driving

Um, and where would we put the gr corolla in that mix?

If you can afford a golf r it's a better car than a gti

Yeah, I mean it's way faster

The gearbox is tuned better

The suspension is a bit more dialed in

you can't

Sort of oversteer it if you try hard any but even if you don't I you can feel the rear diff like pushing around turns

It just feels different dynamically and the resale is better. Yeah

Um

The gtis are fine though if you're just commuting around like and you don't need the extra performance like a gti is fine

A gr corolla will feel more motor sporty. Yeah

they're much sportier

tuned

than

Gtis or gr corollas are or golf r's are and I think the gr corolla has heavier steering on the golf r

It'll just fill your steering and a faster ratio youthful exciting

um

Do

Have we considered the defender octa as a towing vehicle?

No, I haven't does the defender octa have a good tow rating?

This person uses it for their open brian james trailer to tow stuff to the track. Oh

Um, I think they're really expensive

Yeah, I think they are I think that shit is well out of my price range and there's no such thing as a used one

Uh, yeah, they're all brand new so

Uh, I think I got a bow out on that the leader the the the top of the leaderboard is still like a two-year-old cayenne hybrid

Let's see with all the talk. Oh, this is a tickle your pickle for a trip triple nickel

With all the talk about the new grand tour cast. Do we think it's time for a top gear to come back?

Do we think the original formula should return or should they rework the entire program?

Uh top gear, I mean look if you if you go watch old top gears now, and I don't mean the specials

I mean like the studio shows

Eh

Look, it was great. It was influential. It was it was great, but like

I don't I don't think the that we need to go remake that. I mean

They tried to remake it like four times afterwards

I mean, I thought they did a good job when they had you know, rory chris and matt leblanc

I think they should have let that continue

But I think nowadays you can get so close to the car reviews online from so many channels like

They'd be really hard-pressed to fight for the attention of every guy and so you need the specials

But now you're gonna have the grand tour on amazon doing that stuff too. Yeah, so I don't know if they'd want to try to compete

uh

I also like

I don't I mean look with respect to to thomas and james who I love

Are great and are very good at their jobs like

They're some of the best, you know what I mean? So I'm not jealous or or matt. I'm happy for them

You know, we're getting this gig, right?

but like

To me like an iconic show

Is is so tied to the the cast of that show

That remaking the format with new people

Just doesn't interest me as a viewer like I don't want another top gear

Because top gear to me was those three guys

And like I was happy when chris got the gig. I was like I'm not

I'm not saying that it needs to die because those guys left but like

The reason that I watched that show when I go back and watch old episodes is because of the the chemistry and the writing between those guys

I think is is is unique in the space in the same way that there can't be

another

Bourdain or whatever like it's a it's a very specific it comes from a very specific

Perspective in place and is delivered in a very specific way that I really related to

And that it wasn't that oh you could plug somebody else

Even if they're a good writer into the format of the show

And have a show that's just as good or anywhere close really, you know what I mean?

I would go the other way because like I I watched the new naked gun

Which I think is hilarious and it's very much in a style of comedy that we don't see a lot these days

But I also like the old one so but I think you you have to plug in

You can't just plug people into the format. You need people that are as clever

Have the rapport of the old guy of the past trio. You need all that stuff

Yeah, to try to make something that is

Like I guess as good, you know, it has to be really entertaining funny insightful and witty

And it has to have all that stuff and a little bit of shit talking too

So you can't just say here's three people that are going to go on car adventures

They have to have the glue that was those folks, but I welcome the new entertainment

I mean I like throttle house and they're like

They're two funny dudes that are doing good car stuff and doing things in an entertaining way and yeah, so

Um, I think last one this is the end of our the end of our drive here

Flying monkey says with adas functions becoming more prevalent in the industry and requiring more steps to disable them

Do we think there will be a point where insurance companies will start denying claims if they discover that the driver

turned off adas

No, I

I don't

How I mean no, I mean

It's just I think the the the

The the precedent there

Is traction control or stability control. I mean if you you turn off traction control and you have a crash

I don't I'm pretty sure your insurance company cannot use that as a specific way to deny your claim

Uh, sounds like a train is coming. It's a break. It's a very very dirty

From the track it's squeaky. They need to be hosed off, but I don't

You know I'll have to we have we definitely have at least one listener that's in the insurance business

And if you are in the insurance business and you're out there and you've ever heard

Of claims being denied specifically because adas was turned off or you've even heard rumblings that that could be a thing

Please do let us know

We gotta go now

That is our program folks. We appreciate

Our patrons particularly for asking such good questions today and we will hold over the ones we didn't use for the next show

Uh, although next show i'm actually going to be in montana with mr. West silo. Yeah, so that'll be fun

live from my air bnb and bigsky

And uh, we'll see the rest of y'all after the motherfucking ice race peace

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