Driven Radio Show #334: Nick Ellis, David Phillips, and Brian Corey

Hey, all you gear heads and car fiends, welcome to Driven Radio Show, your weekly automotive happy

hour.

I am Brett Hatfield, here with my co-host and Thunderbird owner extraordinaire, Mr. Mark

Gross.

That's me.

We are coming to you from Driven Radio Studios, where we have had very thick, heavy London

fog all stinkin' day.

Oh, and I live, you know, on Raytona Beach, the lake over in Raytown.

Oh, yeah.

So you probably got lake effect.

Dude, it was wild.

It was so thick, and I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool.

Yeah.

I can't see my neighbors.

Awesome.

Yeah, well, and here's the other thing that's weird.

Everybody, you know, a lot of the country, they're having snow, because it's Christmas,

they're gonna have a white Christmas.

I'm for the second day on the row, walkin' around in khaki shorts.

Yeah, all I wore was this hoodie, outside, and I'm actually a little warm.

It's like, they're callin' for 70 degrees on Christmas.

I'm in.

You know what?

I'm good.

I've been drivin' both the Corvettes around with the top down.

See?

It's nice.

It's so weird.

Well, that's Midwest weather for ya.

Hey, uh, speaking of Thunderbird, uh, ongoing Thunderbird Chronicles, did you get it started?

Okay, Chronicles Part II, discoveries.

Uh, I did get it titled, uh, and I want to give a shout out to, uh, the, the

courthouse in, uh, Independence, here in, in Jackson County, where I live now.

Really?

We lost, uh, you know, the Chiefs, but, uh, when we lost in the Chiefs, we gained in some

pretty darn quick and friendly service, and, uh, the people down at the, um, DMV, uh, once

again in Lee's Summit, were super-fast, super-efficient, and, uh, just props to both

of you.

Okay, first of all, the Chiefs.

It was a very good experience.

The Chiefs lease isn't up until 2031.

They ain't goin' anywhere for a minute.

And secondly, Jackson County's saying, nah, man, three-eighths of a cent.

That's way, way, way too much.

And then our governor on the Kansas side's saying, oh, hey, come on, hey, over here.

Oh, yeah.

That's the amazing thing on the Kansas side.

It's pretty cool when you can go, you know what, hey, why don't we just have our

taxpayers pay for all your stuff?

Well, I, uh, I'm not impressed with the deal, to be bluntly honest, but, uh,

you know, people seem to really love paying corporations lots of money.

I must read that they're going to take some of the Jackson County money and use it to

build the Kansas City.

Oh, that wouldn't surprise me.

That wouldn't surprise me.

And, and I, I'm going to step back, I'm going to moonwalk back out of that whole mess

right now.

I have opinions.

Yeah.

Well, we both, we both do.

And it sounds like a really convoluted, jacked-up deal.

But about the Thunderbird, uh, uh, back to the bird, um, it's, it's been interested.

I've, I've got it started.

I've driven it probably, uh, at least 3,000 feet, all told.

Um, I've got my, you haven't left your cul-de-sac, have you?

No.

Uh, I, I'm not about to take it out on a road yet.

It's, uh, it, you know, that little hesitation the guy told me that it had is, is, it's

a little more hesitant than that.

Let's say it's a pregnant pause, um, the, I got, I got that, uh, Holly 4160 in.

So I need to, you know, bite the bullet and did it mount up to your, I have no

clue.

I am terrified, but I'm going to get it done.

Okay.

Uh, I've got that.

I got the new high beam or the new headlights that are basically old school

headlights instead of the, uh, uh, the weird ones that are on it now.

And we'll, we'll see what I can, uh, get together to at least be able to maybe drive

it to a place.

I had a couple of things that I didn't notice that I'm a little concerned about.

You know, I'd, I'd have a little bit of a whitish smoke and I figured it was,

you know, burning off liquid that's in the pipes because first started up and

there's some wet that comes out, so it's got to steam it out.

And it just has cherry, uh, cherry bombs on the back.

So, you know, I figured it's that I'm waiting for any of the other three guys

on the here to say, what the hell's wrong with this to step in.

But the, uh, continue, I, you know, I had it idling for about 20, 25 minutes.

And I did take it at least for a spend during that time.

And okay.

So it was, it was idling.

You don't have a clogged fuel filter anywhere.

You know, no filters have a bent fuel line.

No, I don't have any of that crap.

No, and, uh, but it did, uh, have a lot of quite a bit of, uh, vapor.

If you want to help smoke, uh, coming out of the, oh, what the hell's it called?

It's in the valve cover.

That's where the blow by shows.

Okay.

So I'm, uh, I'm a little concerned, but you know, I'm, I'm ignorant enough

to hang on to hope and, uh, you know, and stupid enough to buy parts.

So we will see.

We'll see, uh, we'll see what it is.

But you know what, it's very pretty.

Um, I, I was waiting for you to say that you hadn't taken it out on the road yet

because you didn't have crackers on it.

No, actually, okay.

Side note on that.

And then I got all shut up.

I talked to the guy that I sold civil to and, uh, uh, I bought some, um, a

weather stripping for the trunk, but it arrived after you'd already, you know,

taken the vehicle and I'm like, well, maybe I'll get something that this

will be good on.

It's not, it's not going to work on the T road.

It's useless.

So I've got 75 bucks of weather stripping.

And I was like, Hey, his wheels, uh, I want to get a pair of older or a set

of older wheels on it and just, you know, steel rims, because I don't want

those metal Kregor like spinner hubcaps to scratch the shit out of these.

The ones that were bought for it, those red ones were bought that way.

Yeah.

Uh, so they're in really nice condition.

And I'm like, you know what, instead of scratching those, get some

old just ones and I realized the bolt pattern for the ones that I, I sent off

with same as a Chrysler, same as it.

Yeah.

Oh, interesting.

I got hold of these like, man, I'm not using them.

Yeah.

Let's, let's do this.

So, uh, you're getting your Kregors back.

Well, no, not the Kregors.

I'm going to get those steel rims.

Oh, the ones that he's not using.

Are you kidding?

No, I thought it isn't going to get rid of those Kregors.

I sure as hell, I was thinking you weaseled that kid out of your

old wheels, I'm excited for you.

I don't suck quite that much for the kid.

Yeah.

Could you imagine simple 64 dodge with white walls?

Ew.

So, uh, uh, we'll see what happens.

So that's, that's the catch up on the Thunderbird.

Hey, man, I'm, I'm just hopeful for you.

I'm wanting you to be able to get everything done.

So, uh, yeah, I don't, I'm sure if that kid gives over his Kregors or not.

He's a good guy.

I don't know.

Good kid.

I don't care.

Okay.

Uh, first of all, gotta give a big thanks to the, to John and the

guys at classic collision on Metropolitan Avenue in Kansas City,

Kansas, for the wonderful job they did of repairing and repainting

the front bumper cover on Rhonda's little red Mercedes.

Oh, what happened?

It turned out beautifully and they were very reasonable about it.

So much so that I had them look over the shot and Freud express.

Yeah.

And, uh, they gave me an estimate and that thing is going to classic

collision January 19th, going to get that back corner fixed.

Going to get both of the bumper covers repainted.

Going to touch up a bunch of other little stuff.

She's going to be standing tall and back to her former glory.

So I'm very excited about that.

Now, are they able to figure out the original paint color?

I mean, is it fairly easy?

Or is it like, you know, golden cream, bronze?

I think as, uh, as Matt Farah accurately identified it, you look

up Jewish racing gold in the sickens pink color book.

Hey, I, I had to quote Matt.

I didn't call it that he did.

And, uh, that's his tribe.

So he's allowed to take cracks.

Let's go.

That's perfect.

But it is headed over there.

And we're going to get everything addressed and for considerably less

nice than I thought it was going to be.

You asked me about, uh, other stuff, um, you know, if, if everything was

okay, I think the 65 Corvette must have a split or a hole in the

filler neck up toward the top.

Cause when I, well, that can't be right.

Wait a second.

I'm just now thinking of it.

That can't be it.

I'll take a look at it and give you my professional opinion.

Damn thing's got a leak when it's full.

Huh.

And, and it, it's because it's old.

It pittles onto my very nicely done garage floor.

Oh, at any rate.

Yeah.

Well, it makes a garage stink like gas, but, uh, we got a lot of warm

weather coming up here pretty quick and miracle of miracles, Christmas miracle.

I am taking off from, uh, December 25th through January 5th.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

Well, I don't do vacations ever and ever.

Yeah.

And so I'm taking some time off and it happens to correspond with

this really warm weather we're having.

I'm going to detail every stinking thing.

Nice.

Uh, I'm even going to try to get all the bikes done.

So, uh, when was the last time, by the way, on the, uh, 60 that

you had that, uh, your gas thing looked at as a guy who's had

a monkey out with the gas tank like there's no tomorrow.

65, but I can get underneath that thing and drop the spare and pull out.

Uh, I think I have to pull out, uh, the upper shell on the spare

carrier to get a look at it.

Is the filling neck welded or does it have the grommet?

No, it's, see, that's what I was thinking about when I mentioned it.

You know that the cap is in the middle of the rear deck.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, that'll be fun to get to.

Well, no, it's easy.

Mark, it's, you can reach into the gas tank.

The stinkin, the, the hole is this big.

You could fit a baseball through it, um, because it's pre unleaded gas.

It doesn't have any kind of real filler neck.

It's just right there.

I'm just trying to, you know, now that I'm thinking about how the hell.

Okay.

After the show.

Yeah.

This is, this is another time.

Hey, our special guest this week are Nick Ellis, the executive

director of RPM foundation.

David Phillips of coach craft and precision services and Brian

Corey of America's automotive trust.

Nick formerly owned a restoration and sales shop with an emphasis on

prewar Ford's and Mercury's.

He believes like we do that collector vehicles are meant to be driven

and enjoyed and is thrilled to be part of ensuring that the next generation

of craftspeople are there to keep those rolling works of art on the road.

Nick joined the RPM foundation in 2018 and assumed the executive

director position in 2021.

David Phillips is a born tinker as I can attest from watching him revive a

carburetor float bowl or float on the deck of our rental house in Monterey

for car week.

I sat one morning and just watched him fiddle with this thing endlessly

until he had it just right.

And David specializes in brass era automobiles.

He's a McPherson college auto resto program alum like me.

And David is the operations director and curator for coach craft

and precision services based in the Chicago land area.

Brian Corey.

Man, this he done so much.

I had to really chop the crap out of his bio.

Brian Corey is the digital and social media coordinator for America's

automotive trust and has previously worked on shows for motor trend and

doughnut media.

Brian produces the endangered skill series and he's the creator of this

day in automotive history as well as the drive history podcast.

Gentlemen, welcome to Driven Radio show.

Thank you.

We no longer have time for anything.

We got to go.

But thanks for being here.

We'll see you next time.

This is already Nick.

It was great to see you in Monterey.

David, it was great to see you every morning in Monterey because

we're standing in the same stinking house.

We didn't get a hang out enough.

We were going to drink beer and shoot the breeze and we just kind of saw

each other and passing and at breakfast.

So I trust everyone's doing well.

Oh, yeah, we're making it.

We're making it that float that float bowl was desperately needed

so that we could complete the pebble tour.

So yeah, I was most of that that week.

Yeah, and I watched you for an hour and a half when I was supposed

to be getting ready to go to Radwood.

Just sit there and fill that thing and blow it back out and fill that thing

and blow it back out and fill it.

And after a while, I'm thinking, Jesus, is he ever going to get it done?

You just look like you were fighting it the whole way.

Molecules of fuel at a time.

So happy to sink.

Just a little teeny tiny pinhole in that thing.

Microscopic.

So yeah, a good couple hours clearing it out and it's been fine ever since.

Nick, how you doing?

I'm good.

I was going to I was going to jump in.

David, that's not the first time you've done field work in Monterey.

Didn't you do a journal bearing in?

Oh, yeah, yeah, that was that was that was an interesting one.

I got flown out and towards that 21.

It was a bit of an emergency rescue.

Our car annihilated a rod bearing, you know, two days before the tour.

Oh, Lord.

It was nothing we could control.

It was a bad bit failure.

Sometimes you just get a bad pour on your babbit.

It happens.

And in a matter of two days, I took the motor down, sourced a machine shop

willing to help me, drew up the design, built the part, and it drove

itself on and off the show field for its awards.

So we got away with it.

That's fantastic.

That wasn't an unparalleled.

I also got to watch David on the show field with an entire crowd around him

talking about the was it the 09 Renault?

Also a 10.

Yeah, OK, I don't know the town car preservation class.

So that that car had the most spectacular history attached to it.

And it was a crowd pleaser.

I mean, because the owner Peter Kumar, he was welcoming people to sit in it

and just have the whole experience and especially a pressure preservation car

where everything is original and largely untouched.

That's a pretty big deal.

You know, it really goes to show that some guys aren't scared to get people involved.

And that car with its historical significance was was a big deal.

It was formally owned by John Jacob Astor of Titanic fame.

So that spoke to a lot of people, too.

Because, of course, you know, who hasn't seen the movie and knows the story, right?

So that was a blast.

That's definitely my favorite part about the hobby is getting getting people involved.

As it happened, David and Ronda and I were eating lunch at a place

called the London Bridge Pub in Monterey.

And we ran into Nick and Deb Pollack.

And that's just funny who you see during car week.

And that's the first time you and I have met in person.

So I was pleased to see that you're not like computer generator or anything.

If I was computer generated, wouldn't you think they would have done a better job?

I would have expected much more.

Brian, what is this day in automotive history and had you come up with the idea?

Yeah, first of all, thank you so much for having me on here.

I'm excited to be here.

This day in automotive history is started out as just my blog that I started in 2013.

And it's where I would just do daily automotive history facts.

You know, June 30th, 1953, the first Corvette rolls off the assembly line.

Right. Something about that.

That sort of situation.

And I was inspired as a young man reading those little tidbits in the newspaper.

I would always have this day in history about this, that or the other thing

and being a car person and just seem natural to kind of expand on that.

And so it started as a blog turned into a relatively

handsome Facebook following and that turned into a book actually in 2017

that you are more than welcome to go out and buy to this day.

One of the original copies that that's a very subtle way of saying

no freebies, you jerks.

I might be able to hook you up a little bit.

Now, was there a specific vehicle that brought you to that, Brian,

or a specific brand?

Or was it just like you had a wide open interest and it all came together?

Yeah, you know, I studied journalism and history and a university.

And so I was just generally interested in the things that came before us.

And then I grew up around cars.

My grandpa was a mechanic and salesman at a Volkswagen dealership.

My uncle had a variety of classics, LaSalle's air flows and that kind of thing.

And so I was always exposed to it.

I don't consider myself to be like overtly mechanical necessarily.

I'm a tinker at best, but keep things running sort of guy.

But I've always been one with words and one with research.

And so I found my passion in the car industry through telling stories.

Nice. You know, if you look in the background over Brian's shoulder,

there, there's a drum kit too.

So he really is a glutton for punishment.

To Brian's credit, after meeting him, I followed his Facebook page almost immediately.

And the scope of everything he posts about is my favorite part.

I mean, one, one post is a Hispanic, an Art Deco era,

Espanol, Suiza and the next is a sob.

And it's like, I love it.

The diversity is spectacular.

And yeah, it's definitely one of my favorite pages already.

I appreciate that, David.

I will say this, it is hard to keep up with.

The content that people want to see, right?

So these days, it's a lot of 10, 15 second videos

just to the car with minimal information.

I used to write pages and pages and pages of stuff.

And so I have the attention span for that necessarily anymore,

at least not in the mediums that I work within mostly.

So you have to learn and adapt and keep publishing.

But that's one of the interesting things about blogs.

The average time that a person spends with a blog

across the United States, 58 seconds.

Oh, my God.

So yes, reading or writing, reading.

Yeah, no doubt.

OK, chat, GBT.

It, yeah, it's because I was going to say I spend almost twice that.

It's a hard, almost a heartbreaking statistic.

But you know that if they spend more than that,

then you've you've hooked them somehow.

Oh, well done.

Well, if you've hooked them, if they spend more than that,

you've either hooked them or they're incredibly slow readers.

Or they fall asleep.

I might be door number two and three.

So how much research do you have to do to keep up with that?

You know, a lot of that was front-loaded

over the first several years of it.

I have a massive library of just dates that I've pulled from books

and just general reading on the Internet and things like that.

Oh, so now you're just plucking stuff out and going,

have I shown this one before or how can I refresh it?

Yeah. I mean, I still try to keep up with it.

But it's it's it's a lot.

They haven't seen this crap in three years.

I'll run this again. Exactly.

So it's it's fun.

It stays fresh.

Can you tell us a little bit about the Drive History podcast?

Yeah, sure.

So that started born straight out of this day in automotive history.

A friend of mine who is a car guy, Jordan Stead,

we decided to just try what I was doing with the blog in a new medium.

So we started the Drive History podcast to just do weekly

kind of broadcasts about what happened in that week in history.

We are currently on a little bit of a hiatus.

We started out with 25 episodes, taking a little bit of time off

and we'll revamp and reformat.

And we should be back in the next few weeks or months.

Hopefully it was something that sounds pretty good.

All right, Nick, now you're on the spot for the uninitiated.

Tell us a bit about RPM Foundation.

What is it and what you do?

You know, thank you.

So it's it stands for restoration, preservation and mentorship.

It was formed about 20 years ago

before my time with the organization.

But it was it was created to combat the skilled trade shortage

that we're seeing specifically within vehicle restoration and preservation.

And you know, this is the national conversation

has really started to kind of turn this way where you hear,

you know, Mike Rowe talking about the need for skilled labor.

And, you know, I know that there was the big story

with Jim Farley recently with Ford talking about how the dealerships

all need people.

But specifically with vehicle restoration and preservation,

this is a real mixture of artistry and technical knowledge

that is very, very rare to find in a in a person who

you know, is going to be successful at this.

You can't just have one side of the brain working on this.

It's got to be both.

So we formed the foundation foundation was formed

originally to provide grant funding for existing automotive programs.

Like we've got obviously MacPherson alum here.

We've given over eight hundred thousand dollars over the years

to MacPherson College and scholarships to support young people

who want to learn this.

But most recently, we've looked at, you know, those outlets

and decided that there really aren't enough seats in those programs

to accommodate the need.

You know, we've got probably about about two thousand

worker need right now across the country.

So where we've shifted focus recently

is our apprenticeship program.

So we're trying to get young people directly into these shops

so they can learn directly from the masters of these skills.

And then we have supplementary programs that complement the

the apprenticeship program.

So, you know, you mentioned the endangered skills program.

That's a video series that we've created so that

when you have people who are one of the last few people

who know how to do a specific task on a car,

we combine them, we partner them up with an RPM apprentice

and then we record the process of the master teaching the apprentice.

So now we've got a new young person who knows how to do that.

But also for the apprenticeship program, we've got a teaching tool

that the apprentices can use to learn this vanishing skill.

So our focus right now is very heavily in workforce development.

We kind of moved away from that grant giving scholarship

giving model to direct involvement in workforce development.

And what do you do directly at RPM?

Me personally? Yes.

I just kind of wait around for guys like Brian and David.

He's not lying.

All right, he's absolutely lying.

He's absolutely lying.

Do shops contact you directly saying, hey, we need help?

Do you know of anybody?

Yeah, it's kind of remarkable because when we first started this shift

about five years ago to start moving away from giving grants

and into forming the apprenticeship program,

I did have conversations with shop owners who were skeptical about this,

that, you know, if you're familiar with the shops,

it's typically smaller staffs.

You know, the quality shops have worked that schedule two years out.

They're so busy and they've got so many clients that want their cars

drawn there to two years out before they can touch your car.

So when you present them with the proposal of, hey,

let's get a young person in here who doesn't really know a lot

and you've got to spend all this time teaching them.

They say, no way, man.

The last couple years, they've seen the success

that we've had piloting this program and they're starting to reach out

and saying, hey, let's let's see if we can get an apprentice into our shop.

We certainly have shops that are looking for people with that five years

plus experience or also it's very encouraging.

We're seeing shops get used to the idea of an apprenticeship program

and looking to adopt that program.

All right, we're going to take a quick break here coming up next.

We're going to be talking about America's automotive trust.

What is it? Where is it?

How does it work?

The Endangered Skills Program, YRPM is supporting it and a lot more.

That's all here in just a minute or so on Driven Radio Show.

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While we were talking to Nick a second ago, I was thinking about,

you know, we should put Nick together with Rick Hunter.

Oh. Oh, wait.

I was supposed to send Dad's truck to Rick's shop on Monday.

Crap. Did it get there?

No, dude. No.

No, which is probably an OK thing.

But, you know, Rick has nothing to do.

So you probably left him in a very sad state.

Well, I'm quite sure if his shop was empty, he would have given me a call.

Well, I talked to him, too.

And I was trying to browbeat him into getting the Thunderbird in.

That guy can very gently, but very firmly hold his line.

He's all right.

They are so stinking busy.

Oh, my God, yes.

And on top of that, I remember my sister and her husband were in town

and my dad probably needs that truck, too, because I'm guessing my sister

stole the Buick and took off. You know, stuff happens.

You know, that's that sort of thing.

Hey, guys, what is America's Automotive Trust?

Where is it based and how does it work?

Yeah, so the trust is a convener of like-minded nonprofits.

If you look at it as kind of an umbrella organization,

like if you look at General Motors underneath the individual brands,

America's Automotive Trust is over the RPM Foundation and LeMay America's Car

Museum in Hong Kong, Washington.

So one of the nice advantages of us being positioned this way is we share

our infrastructure with the museum and with the trust itself.

So we don't have to have our own separate accounting, human resources,

marketing departments.

It allows us to have all those services, but keep the costs low.

So more of the donated income can go directly towards the programs who support.

Is the trust. I'm sorry.

I don't I didn't mean to step on you there.

Is all right.

Is the trust based at RPM Foundation or LeMay?

It's based out of the museum at LeMay.

OK, all right. Yeah.

So Brian works within the marketing department at the trust doing our social

media and our digital digital content.

But he also has this production background.

So when we came up with the idea of the Endangered Skills Program,

Brian was the ideal person to run it.

OK, and that leads us to the next question.

What is the Endangered Skills Program?

I think we've already been touching on this along the way.

But let's go ahead and talk about that.

Yeah. So I mean, we've all kind of been there where you're at a car show

and you're looking at this, you know, maybe rare and unique car

and somebody makes the comment while so and so in Poughkeepsie

is the last person who knows how to properly braze the radiator on this car.

And you always hear the sentence and then when they're gone,

all that knowledge dies with them. Yeah.

So what we want to do is we want to combat that.

So the program, like I said before, finds people like this

and it connects them with our team of practices.

And then we're we actually come in with a full recording set up,

a full video production setup, and they record the process

of the master teaching the apprentice.

And how does it fit in with our PM's overall mission?

Yeah, so it's a complimentary program to the apprenticeship program.

When we're teaching these young people how to do

vehicle restoration and preservation properly, this can't just be,

you know, kind of a round peg into a square hole.

Let's grab a existing automotive technology apprenticeship program

and try to somehow apply it to vehicle restoration and preservation.

And David is a fantastic example

of somebody who inhabits this world where

you have artistic skill and you have technical skill.

And I even mentioned the part where he's presenting the car

on the show field at Pebble Beach.

You have to do all these different things.

And so these are very rare young people that we're trying to find

and we're trying to teach and we have to teach in a specific way.

So the content that we're creating through endangered skills

turns into a learning tool for our apprentices in this program.

It's available to really anybody who's going to want to view it.

We have the three initial episodes completed now and they're in editing.

And those are going to be on YouTube and anybody who wants to watch

them can watch them, but we created them specifically

to teach our apprentices how to do the proper restorations.

How does the application system for the endangered skills program work?

And are there age limits for applying?

Yeah, so the application system is really for our apprenticeship program.

We get young people into that program.

And then when we have an endangered skills episode, we want to record.

We use one of those apprentices for that process.

So we don't really have a age restriction on the apprentices.

I mean, we typically work with young people who are 17 to 25.

But we also want to keep this open to people who may be transitioning

out of a career in the military or somebody who's moving from one related

field to and then want to try out vehicle restoration or preservation.

So we don't really have an age limit, although I will tell you

I had a heartbreaking phone call about a year ago.

I had an 87 year old man call me and say he wanted to be an apprentice.

And I had to kind of say, you know, I'm kind of think we want somebody

who's going to be active in this a little bit longer.

So, Mark, you're just under that bar.

Maybe you can still get in.

Mark, let's talk.

I could be your poster child happily.

You know, you could start young or you could make this terrible mistake.

Me, Mark, yeah, that'll work great.

But I would I would be delighted to be an apprentice source or at least

to fly on the wall. That'd be great.

As an example, Nick, you mentioned that guys might want to come from

outside careers to to join this because it might be relatable.

And best example I have are both of my machinists were tool and

die makers in the manufacturing world.

So they and they were car guys.

But when they got older, they didn't want to be on a production

line anymore or doing that heavy duty machine work.

So they came to our world because now they're doing highly

specialized design and engineering for individual parts on rare cars.

It's a much it's a much more rewarding and slower paced

environment that I know a lot of people certainly find appealing.

Did they have a hard time transitioning from that previous

life into into the world that you're working in now?

I would say no, to be honest, they because again, both of them

are car guys, they're drag racers.

So they already had that knowledge.

Yeah, they already had what they were doing as their careers.

Well, now now I need brass era car parts built. No problem.

Right. Like David said, those guys are tool and die guys.

You're a bit of a tool. You might be.

I'm getting ready to die.

I'm sorry.

That's from the second he said to one guy.

You got a note next year.

Please, Jesus, let me get this in.

Well, David, what would you say are the top three things

that if a person is switching careers to get into one

that you would be able to appreciate and utilize?

What are what would you say are the three things

they really need to have in their suitcase?

Thirty five years in radio. Yeah.

We the biggest struggle with anyone that comes into the world

is and I this could start a whole separate conversation

but common sense and being able to actually think

through a problem on your own is a good example.

I could get the world's best dealer tech into my shop

and they are an excellent dealer tech.

They could be at Mercedes making six figures for all I know.

The problem with those guys very often

is they know how to change a part.

They don't know how to fix a part.

They cannot work themselves through repairing something

that cannot be replaced.

They sound like such similar things, but they're not.

And you got to know the difference.

You got to know the difference.

Like if you take something apart, you got to know

that if you break that coming apart,

you're not going to be able to replace it

by just running up to your parts.

So that that creates a totally different mentality

that I know a lot of these guys struggle with.

So that's definitely one major point.

Definitely not picking at you, Mark,

but you've taught yourself how to do enough stuff

working on that sixty four dodge

and just without knowing, without having the knowledge

beforehand, I think you might actually be good at this.

Well, you know, I would be absolutely stupidly educated.

But, you know, God bless YouTube

and the thirty eight hundred people who have completely

different opinions on how to change a spark plug.

You have. It works.

You have taught yourself how to do an awful lot of stuff.

A number of things.

And you are a reasonably sharp human being

and you're a problem solver. So well, that's one

of the things, David, that I was kind of leaning into,

because I work with a lot of young people at my current

my current job and, you know, the world that they're looking at,

especially with computers, etc., is a world of being replaced

because as I get smarter and better at what it does,

there's going to be a much smaller pool of future things

to be done in that arena.

And for how long, how many decades was it that computers

were, oh, my God, this is the ultimate goldmine.

We hit covid and it's like computers where your only way to

reach the world and get groceries.

And then now it's like F.U.

A.I. is coming in.

So you've got these kids that are coming out

with these degrees and educations and no way to apply them.

So understanding, in my humble opinion, and please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not so much that, OK, you've been you've been taught all this stuff.

That's all great. But did you learn?

Were you able to use reason and learning and then apply that?

And if you have that gathering ability at this young age,

when when brains are actually more elastic,

then then you might be able to sponge in the stuff that's necessary.

Now, how far are you willing to train, David?

If somebody comes in, it's like, my God, they're sharp,

but they don't know jack shit.

What am I going to do with them?

There's definitely a certain humility to learning.

Nick knows Nick and Brian heard this when we were filming.

There's a running joke in our shop that we hate the term expert.

There I could I could learn something new every day

and see something I've never seen before on this stuff.

And, you know, a guy that knows a ton versus a guy that knows nothing.

It's all the same if they're willing to ask the right questions

and stay engaged in that manner.

As an example, our apprentice, Ronnie Kaplan, he's just a kid

and his grandfather, Kaplan Senior, was a renowned racing engineer

and one of the best in the world.

So that's the family he comes from.

But Ronnie, his grandfather died when Ronnie was very young.

So Ronnie knows nothing, but he knows he likes cars.

So he kind of sort of started on that path.

He did welding school, but when he joined us

through that connection, knowing who his grandfather was,

he was a blank slate blank.

You don't have to learn bad habits, though.

Exactly. But at the same time, he didn't know good habits either.

Hey, I'm looking for the upside here.

He's he's a wonderful kid.

And we've kind of found him a direction

with the radiator program that was also a part

was episode two of the Endangered Skills series.

So he's taken to that very well.

And that's kind of going to become his bread and butter is building our brass

era radiators. Yeah, it's going to be a long road.

It's going to be a lifetime, but he's looking like he's pretty ready for that commitment.

I was going to ask, does he seem to have an aptitude for it?

He you guys can attest you saw him on camera.

He he seems pretty comfortable,

you know, having never touched a soldering torch before and never touched, you know,

any of that stuff he he took to it.

So I thank God in the baby Jesus, there was nobody filming me when I tried to weld.

That was that was a nightmare.

Hey, we can still give her a stab.

Yeah, you got something you need a whole burn into.

I'm the guy.

There's also the magic of editing.

Yeah.

Well, there's the magic of doing it right.

And I never mastered that.

Well, you've got, hey, I've got years.

Yeah, I got opportunities.

I'd like it if we both learned.

Speaking of editing, breaking news.

I just got the cut for the second episode.

Awesome.

Just before we came online.

So I have had a first look at it and it's really impressive.

David, I got to give you props like amazing job leading us into it,

getting us through that and being our caretaker throughout this entire episode

because we had a lot of different talent that was helping us out

while we were producing this episode.

So thank you to you and well, thank you.

We hope to do more for sure.

Yeah, same here.

Who all teaches in the program?

And David, it sounds like you taught the the radiator episode of it.

I wouldn't say I taught.

I was just kind of the host guiding you through.

And talking about some core concepts.

And then the way we structured it was there you'd move on to the shop

with our resident professional or or I don't want to say expert.

But that's kind of how it flowed.

And I thought it was really, really fun and smooth.

Well, your level of expertise kind of depends on whose perspective you're seeing it from.

If you're talking about your mom watching or my mom watching me write articles.

Yeah, I'm an expert.

If you're talking about the guys who are in this conversation,

hell, I ain't using that word.

I'll never call myself an expert.

No, no, learn new stuff all the time.

And screw up all the time, too.

It's just happened.

So you realize that.

When you you realize how much, you know, when you realize how little, you know.

And that you're you're never going to know it all.

It's just not possible.

I'm really good at forgetting, so I got to go.

You see the three guys sitting around in here that all have white hair

growing out of their faces.

Oh, God, it only gets worse as you go.

It went from a skill set to an art form.

So who else teaches in the program?

Do you have a cadre of experts for every every category?

First group of episodes, we had funding to do three episodes.

So in addition to the radiator episode that we did with Brian and CPS,

we did an initial kind of foundational episode

with Travis Levine at Levine Restorations in Indiana.

And when we were talking about the skill set around this

and what it takes to be successful in this,

there's a lot of philosophy behind this.

There's a lot of when is it appropriate to restore?

When is it appropriate to conserve?

When is it appropriate to preserve?

How do we advocate both for the vehicle and for the vehicle owner?

How do we properly plan a restoration?

So we enlisted Travis to come in and kind of kick things off

and give us that background.

And he just was phenomenal.

If you're not familiar with Travis,

he had an entire previous career as an attorney

and then came back to the family business

that his parents established Levine Restorations to come in and manage that.

So he's applied all of these

principles that he learned throughout his career as an attorney

towards vehicle restoration and preservation.

And he was just a machine. Brian, am I wrong here?

We put the camera on him and he was talking for hours

and not missing a step. Right.

I mean, it was very much like he had returned to the courtroom

and he was, you know, you know, so that was

that was a great launch point for this entire series

to do the foundations of restoration theory and creating a playbook

to how to go about preserving or restoring a car

because it launches us into the actual skill based

episodes that we are now into the now recording.

But Nick, if you want to continue on to who else has helped out with this,

who we've learned from.

Yeah, sure. So we then did the radiator episode,

but we actually came back to Levine for our third episode,

which which was multi carburetor engine tuning.

And we had Ryan.

Oh, I'm blanking on the expert name.

Ryan Paderouski, Paderouski.

Yeah, taught our apprentice at Levine on a 356 speedster

and also on a Ferrari, a 63 Ferrari.

So those are two very, very cool cars to work on,

but also the Ferrari relatively complex engine.

So very interesting episode to show the sinking process of those carburetors.

I'm a little surprised that there would be a crossover

between the legal world and auto restoration.

I honestly, I just because because Travis handles

a lot of their administrative and and and customer relations side of things.

And he just has that uncanny ability to know and to talk to people.

I don't know. It's one of those things.

And but his knowledge base, his his ability to research

and dig deep into a car's history is unlike anything I've ever seen.

Well, and if you look at the process of putting together a legal case,

so here's here, the case comes in the door, you have to do your discovery period

where we're going to lay out all the facts of the case.

And we're going to dissect this and make sure that we understand

everything about it inside and out.

And I don't think there's a better metaphor when you think about

applying that to vehicle restoration and preservation.

You've got to like David said before, you can do damage on these cars

if you even try to disassemble them without completely understanding them.

So the example that I always give is when I was doing this professionally,

I had a 1927 Falcon Knight and that's got a sleeve valve engine.

And at one point, I had to pull the head off of that

and pull the cylinder block off of it.

And getting that back on to align with all that that complex sleeve valve

technology was one of the most hair raising things.

And I went in like a moron and I didn't know what I was doing.

And I just yanked the cylinder block right off of this thing.

And all the mechanics just like collapsed outside of it.

Oh, no. So if I'd done my due diligence,

the way you do when you're approaching a court case and really did research

and understood this, I could have really avoid a lot of pitfalls.

That's the philosophy that Travis was talking about in terms of really,

really doing your research and really analyzing the situation

even before you touch the car.

That makes fantastic sense.

It really does.

I was just thinking more from the standpoint of preparing a case

to being able to work with your hands.

Yeah, the point.

But if you look at their website, oh, my goodness, that opening picture.

That is extraordinary.

It's beautiful.

They obviously do quality work.

So very, very cool.

What does our PMC is the future of car restoration say in 20 years?

How do you see the intersection of heritage with new technologies?

Yeah, that's an excellent question.

And I think it directly relates to the episode we did with CPS

where we were recording these radiators.

And I'm using the wrong terminology.

I'm going to ask David to correct me in a minute.

But we used modern technology in conjunction

with the classic old school methods

to bring these pre-war radiators back to life.

I think that's going to become integral in the future.

There's this kind of...

I hate to use this term because I think it's overused,

but I think it's definitely a gatekeeping mentality where you look at,

oh, you did this on your car.

Well, then you're not a real car person or this isn't a real restoration.

But when the options are, do I have the car sitting in the garage

and I don't have these parts?

These parts are unobtainium, so now it has to sit there forever.

Or do we employ CAD technology, 3D printing, epoxy resins,

and bring these cars actually back to functionality and usability?

I'm always going to be on the side of using the car and driving the car.

So that's what I think the future of it would be.

I know David has got some thoughts on this.

I'd love to get David's input on it as well.

No, I certainly agree.

So from the radiator side of things,

what we've learned very quickly is how much we didn't know.

But fundamentally, all these radiators were hand-built

and you could have, for example,

we've already done several Brass Era Packard units

and you could have three Model 18 Packards

with three identical radiators and dimensionally,

they will all be very different.

So what you can't even interchange them between cars.

So what do you do at that point?

Well, you're going to dimension it in CAD

and you're going to come up with precise numbers.

You're basically going to have a mock-up of the car's frame rail

or the car itself and design it off of that.

Now you can template it all.

You can laser cut out your pieces.

You can form them all and it'll all be identical

and it won't be a mess to try and assemble and make work.

So that's kind of where we've blended the two ideologies

and it's worked incredibly well so far.

We finished a couple of units, one of them shipped out.

Our first ever completed radiator was the 19,

I think it was the 12 lozier and that shipped out the other day

and the customer was absolutely thrilled

and the guys were super proud of that.

So here's hoping we do a lot more.

The other thing that is worth mentioning

and I'm almost hesitant to say it is AI.

We've actually used it for modeling on a number of parts

because of that hand-built aspect.

We had to make a run of Duesenberg door handles

and those were hand-carved.

So there is no dimensional number

that a regular computer can understand

when you try and draw or construct it, but an AI program can.

So we've ran these parts through AI-generated stuff

and came out with a CAD design

that a machine could actually follow and build the parts.

So there's some integration there too

that I know most of us here probably don't love AI

but I think there might be some useful futures for that.

Well, it does amazing things.

You know, it can make the photos of your grandma dance.

But actually, I think that's kind of amazing.

Now, what data did you feed the AI generator?

Was it just pictures or pictures?

And pretty much pictures

and it can dimension out the parts accordingly.

Now you'll have to do some scaling, right?

Just photos don't necessarily scale.

But what matters is all the sweeps and curves and radiuses.

Now there's actual numbers for it.

Is it possible to laser scan?

That's what we tried first.

And Mike could not get the computer to dimension

because typically when you're drawing or tracing off of

even a laser scan, the computer still needs

your CAD program still needs plot points, right?

So you try and plot that out and dimensionally,

none of the angles and none of the radiuses

were actual like real things.

Like, for example, you could have a perfect circle.

But if it's like a degree off or if there's like a face

that's got slightly different radius in that circle,

the computer freaks out, doesn't know what to do with that.

And if they were made by hand in the first place, then yeah,

that doesn't really work.

I could be getting the terminology and stuff wrong.

I'm not a designer.

But that to my understanding is was the struggle

my co-worker Mike was going through.

And that's when he decided to try the AI.

It's interesting that everybody thought

AI would replace all of the skilled jobs.

And people like Mark and I who write for a living

would be safe.

And it looks like AI is coming for our jobs first.

And all the tradespeople are the ones

who are going to be in demand.

I'm going to be the one saying, would you like fries with that?

Before you go back to the shop.

I'm going to try to write as much as I can as fast as I can.

Now, do you do you make the parts up with a metal 3D printer, David?

Or do you have them cut from aluminum, like laser cut or water cut?

It all depends.

I'm sure you guys have heard of send cut send.

They're kind of they're kind of like the name.

And you send them a model, you tell them what material.

And in a couple of days, they send you your parts.

They are the laser water, you know, kings.

In terms of 3D metal printing, unfortunately,

the number one solution we found is China.

So they'll send you a part back.

We really want to use manufacturers in the US.

But this can kind of segue into what our PM is doing.

There's we've run into way too much red tape with them not wanting

to touch our kind of work because it's too out of their wheelhouse.

And they want to if they're going to build a part, they want to build 10,000

of them because the only way is profitable.

Yeah. Well, guess what I want to.

Yeah. Tough to do.

Tough to do economies of scale when you're making Duesenberg door handles.

Yeah. But these Chinese firms that are doing it, they don't care.

If you send them a model, they don't care.

They'll make it and they'll get back and it'll be cheap and it'll be beautiful.

That's all right. They'll make 10,000 of them, just not for you.

Yeah. But hey, you got them.

So that's awesome.

We got a guy in DeSoto, a friend of the show, Kevin Dunne,

who works with the Castle Works Motorsports, who does a whole lot

of 3D printing, he does it in metal and in plastic

and is doing like cross rams for Pontiacs and this and that

through 3D printing.

Yeah, we may need to put you together with Kevin

because he does some really remarkable stuff.

Plus take any resources for that stuff you got for sure.

OK, we'll hook you up. He's a good guy.

So who have you worked with on the Endangered Skills Program

and sounds like you've got another episode ready.

What can we look forward to in the future?

So what we're going to be doing is constantly

kind of repolling the restoration world,

determining what the need is and then responding to that.

So right now we've got these three episodes.

We hope to do engine babbling soon.

We want to do glass curving.

But I will tell you, we can't find anybody

who is currently curving glass can actually properly curve glass.

So that's one we might have to go international for.

So, you know, we're we're reaching out to our shop owners

and constantly asking them what's what's next on the list.

What should we be putting together again?

Brian actually put together a terrific website for this.

We haven't gone live with it yet,

but it lists out all the different skills out there

that we're looking to stabilize and it gives our current status.

OK, are we, you know, do we have this one planned?

Do we have this one actually completed and stabilized?

Are we looking for experts on this particular one?

Right. So to step back when I was first introduced to this project

a couple of years ago, they had already done a ton of the legwork,

sending out surveys, reaching out to different shops,

learning what the actual skills were that were disappearing

and that were in danger and we use that data to kind of dictate

what kind of which episodes we wanted to create.

Obviously, we're somewhat limited to doing the episodes for shops

that have the services that we want to display.

Like he's saying, it's hard to find people that do certain things.

And I brought in a production company that I worked with

when I was working in Motor Trend with Motor Trend on Garage Squad.

And that's Lucky Kraken, Ted Legas, the director of Garage Squad

did all eight up eight seasons of that.

And so he came in, has been incredibly beneficial to the series

with his crew, both in terms of working with us financially.

It's not like we have a giant budget to do this, but also just

upping the level of professionality that we see in the end result

you know, from production through post-production.

It looks awesome.

This website that'll go up in the next hopefully a few weeks

we'll be able to continue to revise the skills that we can

capture and what we want to capture and learn what people want to see us capture.

But also like Nick was saying, take recommendations

or or learn who the experts are, experts

for lack of a better term are in these certain fields.

And so that'll help us find find the right people to talk to.

On the curving glass front, I think

maybe we could put you together with Will Posey, who owns Big Oak Garage.

I know that every piece of glass that was in Dirty Martini,

that 61 Impala, he did, it was all custom made.

Oh, yes, please.

So he obviously knows a source for it if they're not doing it.

And I don't think they're doing it in house, but he obviously knows somebody.

So why don't we talk after the show

and we'll start seeing who we can connect

to try and find you the skill sets you're looking for.

Excellent. Thank you.

Also, Dale Chihuly has donated a couple cars to the car museum.

World renowned glass artist, I'm sure he could figure out.

You might know some people.

Yeah, you think he might?

He may be who's doing stuff for Will.

Yeah.

It's worth mentioning to your listeners,

this is literally our world.

It's just phone calls and phone calls.

Oh, yeah.

It's it's amazing that the number calls I make a week trying to source one tiny thing.

Yeah. Well, that and that has been one of the huge benefits

of writing for Sports Car Market and writing for GM Authority.

And also just doing the show is how many connections we've gotten to make.

How many cool people we've gotten to meet?

How many people we get to talk to?

And I love it when I've spoken to somebody and somebody says,

you know what we're looking for?

And I'm thinking, well, I know that a guy who does that.

Here, why don't I give you a number?

I know a guy.

Yeah. Yeah.

No one a guy has been a lot of fun.

I was going to start a handyman business called I know a guy.

Whatever you if you're going to do that, call me first.

Done deal because I am that guy.

I love it.

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Nick, Brian, Dave, what do each of you have in your personal car collections?

And what do you hope and Santa brings you this year?

In my collection, I'm it's a little bittersweet.

My father passed away about two years ago now.

And he had a 1947 Ford convertible.

It looks exactly like the car at the end of Crotty Kid.

Yeah, yeah.

Mr. Miyagi gives to Daniel.

And then he had a 1960 Buick Le Sabre convertible.

I've got three brothers, none of them got the car sickness that I have.

So none of them were interested in taking them.

So I I brought those both on.

My dad was a real project guy.

He liked tinkering with cars and working on cars.

So both of them need a few things done to him.

So they'll keep me busy for a while.

But those are the ones that I've got in my collection now.

I've got a 68 Mercury Cougar that I've had just forever.

And that's just this loyal car that I abuse.

And it starts up every time I need to start it up.

And I drive that all over creation.

I actually actually took that on a 5,000 mile road trip a few years back.

Wow.

It it gave out the transmission as I was coasting into my driveway.

It's a very loyal car. Wow.

Yeah, yeah.

I in this is a departure, but oh, man, what I love a 9-11.

I would love a 9-11.

They're just so far out of my price range.

Well, yeah, that's your span.

Well, yeah, I'm starting to look at those

like if you can lower your standards to a 996.

Yeah, I I think those kind of do you think do we think they're at the bottom

of the depreciation curve or are they going to go even further?

No, I think they've turned and started to come back up.

But along with that, the ones that had deferred maintenance

and had been used, the IMS bearing, yeah, well, we could get into that

have the world's longest IMS bearing conversation.

Because I also have a thing for a 996 is I think a lot of them

that had been abused, people have found them and started to bring them back to life.

And you see an awful lot of really good 996 is out there.

Yeah, even some that got a bunch of miles, but don't show it.

And what is it? Keith Martin's birthday was today.

He treated himself to a 996, a Carrera 4.

So, you know, good enough for Keith Martin.

You guys are a bad influence.

We are enablers of the first order.

Absolutely. Brian, what have you got in your garage?

Oh, gosh. So my first car that I ever bought

was 13 years old, was a 1949 Plymouth that I still have to this day.

Oh, cool.

It's pretty much all original minus about 100 pounds of Bondo and a Maco paint job.

So it it moves it.

It's it's a good car to take out in the summers.

But I also have a 1974 Carmagia, like the little model behind me there.

And in the poster behind me, it's actually that exact car.

That's an advertisement for Seattle Times

classifieds from like the 80s or 90s.

It was my grandpa's car.

And so I bought it from him just a couple of years before he passed away.

It had been sitting for 20 years and just this past summer,

it got back on the road, took my 95 year old grandmother for a ride

for the first time. Oh, cool.

So is it clean all the way around from door seam to door seam?

It is a complete bucket right now.

No, I completely stripped it.

It was painted, but it was kind of a mad dash.

There's it's been a complete whirlwind getting that thing back together.

But I had a lot of a lot of help from House Iguia.

There's a guy in the town I live in. Oh, cool.

That runs House Iguia's Dan Stogard.

And he helped me do all the glass, get the electrical all sorted.

And yeah, I was able to chug along the road just enough to make Grandma smile.

So it still needs a lot of work, but I'm hoping to be cruising around

and in that this summer, if I'm not driving my latest acquisition,

which is the 1989 Dodge Dakota Sport.

Hey, there you go. Cool.

One of about 4,000 that came off the as well

was shipped out of the assembly line to.

And how many of you at the top off and how many of those do you think still exist?

That's a great question.

I mean, it ain't 4,000.

No, not at all.

They they do trade hands quite a bit, but this one was just parked outside

a mobile home park near where I live with the first sale sign on it.

And it was too good of a deal to pass up.

So very cool. David, what's in your garage, pal?

A lot of junk.

So for from my end, it's actually cars and boats.

I I know you're a boat guy, too.

So massively expensive.

Are you abused as a child?

Yeah, I grew up around boats.

And as as a kid that like to tinker, I grew very fond of antique

outboards, you know, just boat motors, because when you're a kid,

those are very affordable.

So and they kind of follow the styling of the cars that I loved.

For example, a 50s Johnson outboard has fins just like a 50s car.

Yeah, and I could pick one up for $75.

So I was I am still obsessed with those.

They're all over. They're littering my house.

There's just boat motors everywhere.

I have a dual cockpit racing run about

Mahogany kind of criss-crafty replica thing that was built in the 50s

by a farmer. It's a gorgeous boat that I'm working on restoring.

I bought that on the title.

Criss-crafty replica thing by a farmer.

It says, whole built.

And it's built in a hole.

It's a laugh every time, a whole built.

But I'd love to have that done in the next several decades.

We'll see the motor.

I bought that thing specifically for the motor, Nick.

It has a Mercury Marine conversion,

EAC, the Canadian 255 once.

So I saw that motor and I'm like, sold this boat's mine.

So cars, my Chevelle, that was my first ever.

I got that when I was 14.

And it was always a really, really nice original car.

It had 27,000 original miles when I got it.

It was my grocery getter, sedan.

And it still looks like a sedan,

but now it's a blown ethanol stroker.

Five hundred and sixty wheel horsepower on dog dish hubcaps.

So it looks completely stock, but will be everything I can attest to that.

It's what years that that's what David Fryeberger called a crew cab Chevelle.

Yeah, so that thing is horrifying as it is still my favorite.

And then my Somsons, the the thirty four British Somsons,

that's become quite a quite a quite a well known car across our hobby.

It's a it's a custom boat tail that was imported in the fifties

by a famous SCC a racer, Sandy MacArthur.

And I love the history that's attached to things.

And when this showed up at my work, my boss, Bob, found it.

And he has a habit of buying cars and not telling us.

So I'll just show up in the shop and this thing was sitting there.

I'm like, Bob, what what? Come on.

And so like that day, we made a deal and that's become my my baby

that I race with the pre-war guys.

And then I found its parts car took me two years of calling all over the country

to source the parts car it was imported with.

And, you know, I had a paper trail for my car,

but the parts car didn't have anything, right?

So it kind of just vanished to the winds and I found it in Pennsylvania

after a whole lot of digging.

So for the first time in about 50 years, they're sitting next to each other again.

Wow, pretty cool.

So I was able to look your car up online.

Yeah, it's pretty much the first one that pops up.

And there's a picture of you standing in front of it on the Wall Street Journal.

Yeah, me, me pre-beard.

I see that you look so baby faced.

It's had its own little

claim to fame, I would say.

So it's a wonderful car and it's a challenge.

Let me tell you something.

It's a rare twin cam hemi four cylinder that is

fragile and massively complex, as we've learned.

So, well, David, how old are you?

30. How many guys?

How many 30 year olds are into pre-war

race cars and, you know, know how to do this pre-war stuff?

I just love I just love the fact that we've got a guy this young

who knows how to do this stuff.

I was going to just I appreciate I'm still called the young guy.

Yeah, right.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, enjoy that while you can.

See how long that continues.

Something something all three of you dodged.

I asked you, what would you want Santa Claus to bring you?

What are you hoping to find?

I'll say this.

I was just recently outbid by a small margin on a 1988

Callaway Corvette, so was that the Blue 87 today?

No, it was a white one a week or so ago.

Yeah, that Blue 87 with the gray interior

went on, bring a trailer today.

I watched that all the way through.

It went for twenty two.

I thought that was a pretty good price.

Yeah. Yeah, that's about what the other one went for.

But it was a hair above what I wanted to spend.

They had a lot of miles on it, so I'll say.

So how about you, David?

What do you want to find find for your collection?

I did ask for a new roll around tool cart, work cart.

So we'll see.

That'd be nice.

Right now, my tools are centrally located.

So the more projects that come my way, the more I find myself

running around, hoping I could just cart my tools with me.

So that was on my list.

We'll see.

Hey, you should listen to our gift guide episode a few weeks ago.

There's a cool cart on there and you can find it on Amazon.

We'll see. I was really fortunate this year.

I got gifted a Harbor Freight 25 percent off everything in the store.

Oh, my. Well, I was there.

It was a shopping spree.

Well, as long as you're not buying jack stands, you'll be OK.

How about you, Nick?

What is it you'd like to have in your collection that you don't yet?

I, you know, mentioned the nine nine six.

I, you know, the forty seven forward in the sixty Buick,

not really fast performance type cars.

So it would be fun to have a car that was nimble and fast.

So I'm going to go with the nine nine six and the nine nine six.

You can daily. Yeah, there you go.

Well, you can daily everything, but the nine nine six as I see in it.

So when summer decides to beat down on you,

you could actually cool yourself down.

Right. You know, it doesn't work as well.

I I've tried dailying that sixty five Stingray.

Now I work from home, so it's not like I'm going that far.

But when I do, you know, go out, I try to take that until it rains.

That soft top doesn't keep rain out of that car just for nothing.

So yeah, it's daily to a point.

All right, Nick's already answered this question before.

So he's out from under the guillotine.

David and Brian, what's the dumbest thing

either of you has ever done in a car?

You know, I was thinking about this for a while,

and I think I've played it relatively safe, to be honest.

Boring. No, I know.

But I'll say this, I did get stuck.

On a dirt road in about three feet of snow,

20 miles from civilization, thinking my Subaru 15 years ago

could handle the conditions and I had nothing but a skateboard

to dig myself out with for a good three, four hours.

I was I was completely stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Eastern Washington and property that driven out there.

And the snow is just falling, falling, falling.

And it was it was it was scary.

By some miracle, a guy in a tractor drove by and was able to pull me out.

So because there's a lot of agriculture out there.

And I think he that's what he used to get around in the snow.

But I didn't even know there was other houses around.

So. So I'm sorry, I didn't mean to laugh for the background.

But I was just about to say, were you per chance in Washington?

Yeah. And you said, oh, holy shit.

Yeah, actually. Rock and roll over.

Are you asking that because you saw him on the road and passed by him?

Yeah, Subaru Ice and Skateboard.

And in my head, Washington. Got it. Nailed it.

Also say, though, transactionally, a really dumb thing that I did was

trade an 81 Jetta Coupe for a GM panel van that didn't run.

Like the Jetta Coupe, we'd put a GLI engine in it,

done all this work to it and essentially.

So what was the situation for a for a like old mail truck, basically?

What was he about to do that?

Were you hauling something or you just thought?

Well, I was probably 19 at the time.

And I'd mentioned the skateboard and I.

You're going to hold around to create a mobile skate shop.

You're going to haul ramps around is what you're going to do.

Yeah, I had a line cooler.

Never panned out and the guy wrecked the Jetta within two weeks.

Oh, man.

That sucks. Yeah.

All right, David, you're in the spotlight.

What's the dumbest thing you've ever done in the car?

Look at him. He's sitting there pulling on his beard.

Think about it. I'm thinking pretty hard about this

because I'm fortunate I've had great luck with customer cars,

which is, you know, no, no, no, no.

Go back to McPherson days.

You know, you did something stupid

while you were at school.

The biggest one I can think of at McPherson is all

we had what was called the Sheds.

Yes. And Sheds.

Yeah, the Sheds is, as you know, the rental property.

The Sheds are glorious.

It is the most glorious place in the world.

It is where all of the auto rats, as we call ourselves,

would rent booths or shops and have their own projects

so you could walk bay to bay to bay.

And it's it's everything from, you know,

Carmen Gia's to 50s Cadillacs to, you know, to early stuff, too.

And who was the guy in the Sheds who had the

the 283 powered Corvair?

I don't remember his name, but I do know what you're talking about.

Well, I have that problem.

I never remember your name, but I'll remember your car forever.

Cars I'll remember.

But so my friends and I were in one of the main hangers

and we had a customer job.

It was a think it was a Ford tilt back like farm truck.

It was a family's truck that had been on the farm since new and blah, blah, blah, blah.

Well, it had a hydraulic tilt back and huge,

like huge Baylor type box on it, probably way.

The whole truck was probably like a two and a half ton or something.

So big rig and they she wanted it all working.

So we're like, OK, so we pumped up these hydraulics

that had moved in probably 50 years and the bed went up.

It did not come down.

And so now we had this massive bed stuck up in the air

and we were idiots and we're unsure of what to do.

So let's try bleeding off line pressure.

Yeah, it didn't come down.

So it's now it's got no line pressure and still up in the air.

So I'm like, I got an idea.

So I went in there with a pry bar and pried up on the cylinder

and the whole thing swam and I got out of the way

from between the frame and that cab just, you know, the bed just in time

because the cylinder was war.

So the cylinder came up and then it did this.

Oh, yeah. Pinched.

But you couldn't even see it.

But tweaking it, tweaking it like half a degree or less

is what let the cylinder slide back into its bore. God.

And I should have died.

Yeah, you were almost.

You were almost David X Phillips.

Of course, you know, we were drinking

many unsanctioned beverages and yeah.

Just seemed to make sense at the time.

A couple of grand grenades never hurt anybody.

Almost. I got many more.

No, I think

when I was there, it was the yellow pantero with no brakes in it.

And everybody decided it'd be a really good idea to test drive it

and just use the parking brake to stop.

Yeah, it doesn't work real well.

It didn't work.

No, no, no, show you lots of ways to pucker your behind.

But almost killed myself with a with a crowbar

and a hydraulic ram on a two and a half ton truck.

That's pretty good. That's not bad.

That'll work. That's not bad.

Digging yourself out with a skateboard.

That's awesome.

Damn glad I wasn't me, man.

This is car will move again.

I don't like shoveling snow when I got a good shovel.

Now, was this was this an all wheel drive?

Super or was it just a two wheel drive?

No, it was a all wheel drive, like 96.

But you do understand the difference

between three feet of snow and there's only about a foot

that'll go under your bumper, right?

Kind of get that dynamic now.

I watched the commercial.

I know how these drive.

No, you said it's kind of like doing the

pioneer commercial, trying to get all the leaves

to kick up behind you in fall.

We've been speaking with Nick Ellis, David Phillips

and Brian Corey, gentlemen, please take turns

and tell us where we can find each of you online

and on social media.

Start with Nick.

You can find the RPM Foundation at rpm.foundation

for the website and then just RPM Foundation

on all social media.

How about you, David?

So our shop is CPSrestaurations.com

and then our social media is a little lax,

I must be honest, I got my personal

and then our metal shop has metal edge creations

on Facebook and Instagram to see all their metal

shaping and fabricating skill at work.

So that's me.

Brian?

Yeah, be sure to check out automotivehistory.org

and you can find the Facebook page

this day in automotive history.

If you wanna follow that or carsandcopymedia.com

if you wanna make some movies.

Now, Brian, I went and looked on Amazon.

Did not find any new versions of the book.

Where can we find versions that you get the most money?

To be honest, I don't think that there are any more.

This came out in about 2017.

There was a single run book,

so there's a good few thousand copies out there.

It's an egg one if you can find one

and I'll be happy to send you a stamp.

All right, that good one, but Kipsey's gonna get mine.

Perfect.

I'm in.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us.

We really appreciate you taking the time.

Thanks for having us.

This was so much fun.

You know what people don't know about

is we get done with the guests

and we talk about how great they were to have on

and it's really cool in the story

and oh, here's our website and let's look at that.

And then you and I look at 47 stinking cars

and bring a trailer in Facebook marketplace

and all that crap that people don't realize

there's a half hour between us wrapping up with the guests

and us coming in to do the show closing

because you and I are so distracted

looking at other crap.

And oh, by the way, while we're at it,

what a kick ass mug you gave me for Christmas.

That's really cool.

It's got the Driven Radio show logo on the front

and my name and I can't believe you got that made

in a drug store.

Yeah, Walgreens, by the way, for anybody who wants to know the

dude, that's really cool.

If you go to the photography section,

there's like these gifts and you can get mugs

and insulated thermoses and this and that.

I just, you know, I'm a coffee addict.

So I'm like, yeah, and they've got,

they have the smaller, you know, smaller coffee mugs.

They have that one.

And then like a couple of years ago

that I got you that gargantuan one.

Yeah, I'm so sad that thing had a crack in it.

Now all I can do is put pins in it.

I know, that may be sad.

I'm like, no, this needs to be usable.

Well, that was a big ass mug.

You could get two cups of coffee in it.

It's gotta be a daily drinker.

So, well, I'm going to go start

wearing this one out tonight.

And thank you for the Fiat Luxe.

Uh-huh.

While we were recording the show.

I notice you're trying to smell those

while we're on mic without making the sound of the package.

Yeah, don't make this too much.

I took a snort and I'm like, oh, listen.

Oh, the notes.

It's got that kind of a little bit of oak

and then it's also got some chocolate to it.

Yeah, I had one of those Sunday.

God, that was good.

I'm looking forward to that.

Professor Kinn and I were over at Ash and Anvil.

Free plug for Ash and Anvil.

Derek, if you're listening,

thank you for having us over there

and showing us around.

Now where's that, Gardner?

That was over in Gardner.

If you hang tight for just a split second,

I'll get you an address so we can plug them.

That they made a cigar shop,

a tobacco shop in an old blacksmiths brick building.

Oh, dude.

And it's so cool.

And you're really, man,

if you're in the Kansas City area,

and I know that's not much of our audience,

well, that's a good chunk of our audience.

If you're in the Kansas City area,

you really, really owe it to yourself.

Go to 204 East Park in Gardner.

They are closed right now.

Hey.

Oh, no, no, no, they're open.

They're open until 10.

Look at that.

913-558-8074 Ash and Anvil.

Coolest cigar shop you will ever see.

And they have a speakeasy that they're attached to

that's open Thursday, Friday, and Saturday,

and Derek showed us around in that,

because I hadn't seen it before.

I wonder if that's what I'm watching right now.

That was cool.

I'm on their Facebook page,

and also, by the way, their website

is ashandanvilcigars.com.

And there's a video running right now

that's got a three-piece jazz band,

kind of sax, keyboardist, and a percussionist.

I'm like, this looks cool.

Well, that's on the cigar side.

That's on the cigar side?

The cigar shop side?

Oh, my God.

But out back, they've got an open area,

and yeah, we're in winter,

even though it's not cold right this minute.

They've got those big plastic domes

with chairs inside and heaters and everything

so you can go outside.

The city was giving him a lot of grief

about building a big stage,

like he wanted to for live music.

Okay.

So he bought himself an old Chevy Farm flatbed

from the 40s.

Parked it there.

But here's the best part, it still runs.

Oh, that's fantastic.

He says you can throw a battery in her

and she fires right up.

So be sure to check out

Ash and Anvil Cigar Lounge over in Gardner, Kansas,

just the coolest place.

And fantastic history,

and they've got a speakeasy that's attached to it.

And really, really, really cool.

Make sure you say hi to Derek when you go over there.

Hi, Derek.

Man, thank you for the mug.

That is really, really super cool.

You're welcome.

I bought some for myself while I was over there too.

I will, I'll be honest,

I'll probably be having one of these tomorrow afternoon

as kind of the beginning of the Christmas Eve.

Christmas Eve, yeah.

For, you folks won't hear this till Saturday morning,

but we are recording this on Christmas Eve Eve.

So for everybody out there,

Merry Christmas and happy holidays.

We wish you all the very best.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, remember that?

Uh-huh.

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See.

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