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Driven Radio Show #357: John Klinger of The NB Center Part 2

Driven Radio Show #357: John Klinger of The NB Center Part 2

Driven Radio Show Jun 12, 2026 57 min
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About this episode

John Klinger’s second part digs into how the NB Center and related programs keep classic cars—and the people who restore them—moving. McPherson College’s restoration degree is framed as a true four-year bachelor’s path with business and history tracks, while the NB Center expands facilities and adds mechanical engineering to better solve classic-car problems. The conversation also tackles workforce shortages, parts supply challenges, and why experience never stops. Along the way, the show tours the NB Center’s drive-ready collection and shares vivid rain-and-rally stories.

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Concept

body work

"[649.5s] And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, body work or being able to do paint or upholstery, trimmers, it doesn't matter who it is."

Body work refers to repairing and shaping the car’s body panels—often to fix damage, rust, or misalignment. In the collector-car world, it’s frequently paired with paint and trim work to restore the car’s original appearance.

Concept

upholstery

"[649.5s] And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, body work or being able to do paint or upholstery, trimmers, it doesn't matter who it is."

Upholstery is the interior work—like redoing seats and other fabric or leather surfaces. For classic cars, it’s often about making it look authentic, not just new.

Concept

paint

"[649.5s] And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, body work or being able to do paint or upholstery, trimmers, it doesn't matter who it is."

Here, paint means the full process of preparing the surface and applying a high-quality finish. On collector cars, the goal is usually to match the original look and last a long time.

Concept

trimmers

"[649.5s] And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, body work or being able to do paint or upholstery, trimmers, it doesn't matter who it is."

Trimmers are the people who work on the car’s interior finishing pieces. They help make sure everything fits and looks right, especially on classic restorations.

Concept

collector car industry

"[672.0s] What do you think are some of the misconceptions people have about careers in the collector car industry that they're not there or that they wouldn't pay?"

This means the world of older “hobby” cars—places that fix them, restore them, and keep them running. It’s not just regular car repair; it’s specialized work for cars people collect.

Concept

automotive restoration

"[681.3s] I think for a younger person, and I was a little bit of a victim of this myself is you think that, okay, so I went to school, I now have this four year degree in automotive restoration from this respected institution."

Restoration is when someone brings an older car back to how it should be—working properly and looking right. It usually takes real practice, not just school.

Concept

experience

"[724.2s] But you don't have experience, right? [726.9s] You don't have the 15, 20, 30 years of experience that those who are admired and respected."

They’re saying that school helps, but real experience is what really teaches you how to handle problems. In car work, you learn a lot from doing the job and seeing what goes wrong.

Term

lubricated

"[753.6s] And, you know, one of our mechanics recently, who's very, very talented, but I witnessed, it was in one of his own cars, but I witnessed him experience a breakdown. [768.7s] And it was because he didn't fully understand exactly how that part was lubricated and or it should be lubricated."

Lubricated means putting the right kind of grease or oil on moving parts so they don’t grind and wear out. Getting it wrong can cause the part to fail.

Place

Allentown, Pennsylvania

"it is just amazing automotive, park-like 27 acres in Allentown, Pennsylvania, [1058.0s] which is Eastern Pennsylvania."

This is where the NB Center is located. It’s a big car-history facility in Pennsylvania with restoration work and a collection of older cars.

Concept

restoration staff

"27 acres, 23 employees, full-time restoration staff. [1079.1s] There's also two separate businesses in addition to the restoration side."

Restoration staff are the people dedicated to returning cars to an earlier, correct condition—often involving disassembly, repair, fabrication, and reassembly. The host frames the NB Center as having full-time restoration staff supporting its on-site vintage collection.

Concept

service and repair center

"There is a service and repair center. [1088.9s] Just think of your independent mechanic shop with specific vintage cars."

This is the shop where cars get fixed and maintained. The host is saying it’s like a regular mechanic shop, but focused on older/vintage cars.

Concept

engine rebuilding

"Then we also have a machine shop that does engine rebuilding. [1096.7s] There's also a collection of 200 cars."

Engine rebuilding means fixing an engine by taking it apart, replacing worn pieces, and putting it back together so it runs right again. It’s a key service for restoring older cars.

Brand

Bvlgari

"To take a step back, the name NB stands for Nicola Bvlgari. [1118.6s] Mr. Bvlgari is his third generation of the Italian jewelry company that bears that name, Bvlgari."

Bvlgari is an Italian jewelry company. The NB Center is named after Nicola Bvlgari, and the host says his passion for American cars helped create the place.

Concept

middle market

"These are not just any American car. These are specifically cars that were aimed at the middle market."

“Middle market” means cars aimed at regular buyers, not the ultra-luxury stuff. The host is saying the collection prioritizes these more common models because they influenced how cars were designed and built.

Car

37 Nash Lafayette Coupe

"Here's one example. This car always just kind of makes me smile when I look at it. 37 Nash Lafayette Coupe."

This is a specific 1937 Nash model called the Lafayette Coupe. The host is saying it’s a great-looking, fully restored example—and that restoring it can cost a lot more than most people would think for a car that isn’t a top-tier “headline” classic.

Concept

restoration and preservation

"So for the Envy Center, there's two sides of it. There's the collection, which is a constant effort of restoration and preservation, and it's shared with other people."

These are two ways collectors keep old cars from falling apart. Restoration is bringing the car back to a like-new or correct condition, while preservation is about keeping what’s already there and preventing further deterioration.

Term

engine building

"So again, the service center for people to have their cars serviced or repaired. So not body work, not a poster work, just mechanical repair and service, and then engine building."

Engine building means taking an engine apart and rebuilding it properly, usually with new or reconditioned internal parts. It’s more involved than routine service and is meant to make the engine run correctly again.

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machine shop

"And the reason that we invested in both of those businesses is because that's a growing shortage in this industry, both on the machine shop side, [1323.7s] as well as an independent repair shop, fewer and fewer of them have the appetite to work on an older car."

A machine shop is a specialized repair shop that uses precision tools to reshape and finish metal parts. For cars, they often work on engine parts so they fit and function correctly.

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independent repair shop

"And the reason that we invested in both of those businesses is because that's a growing shortage in this industry, both on the machine shop side, [1323.7s] as well as an independent repair shop, fewer and fewer of them have the appetite to work on an older car."

An independent repair shop is a regular auto repair business that isn’t tied to a specific car brand’s dealership. They diagnose problems and fix cars, but some shops avoid older cars.

Term

boring a cylinder

"But the fundamentals, it's not that a shop couldn't work on an older car, just like a machine shop couldn't rebuild an early engine. [1368.1s] Boring a cylinder is boring a cylinder."

Boring a cylinder means using a machine tool to enlarge and smooth the inside of an engine cylinder to the correct size. It’s usually part of an engine rebuild when the cylinder is worn out.

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parts supply chain

"Boring a cylinder is boring a cylinder. [1370.3s] The parts supply chain is very different when it comes."

The parts supply chain is how replacement parts get made and delivered to repair shops. For older cars, those parts may be harder to find or take longer to get.

Term

book time

"They've sent you a quote, and the quote is based on the known price for the parts and the book time that they call us for."

Book time is the estimated number of hours a repair guide says a job should take. Shops use it to estimate labor cost when they give you a quote.

Car

Dodge Charger

"... insured. They're hooked up to a battery maintain charger. The idea is you can hop in any one of them, driv..."

The Dodge Charger is a car made for performance, with a bigger engine and a sporty feel. In the podcast context, it sounds like the Charger is being kept ready to drive by using a battery charger so it starts reliably. That way, you can get in and drive without waiting for the battery to recover.

Car

1935 Dodge Coupe

"There's Mr. Bullinger and I have talked about this before. There's a 1935 Dodge Coupe, nothing special about it, but it, if you ever come out and visit either of you guys, we'll get that car out and drive it."

This is a very old Dodge from 1935. The host is saying it’s not the rarest or most famous car, but it’s restored to a high standard and is worth seeing in person.

Car

1950 Chrysler town and country

"Which a car we showed at Pebble last year, a 1950 Chrysler town and country that has 5,000 miles from new. No kidding. Paint, original wood."

They’re talking about a 1950 Chrysler Town & Country, a luxury-style classic from Chrysler. The big deal here is that it has extremely low mileage and still has original-looking materials like the paint and wood.

Term

5,000 miles from new

"Which a car we showed at Pebble last year, a 1950 Chrysler town and country that has 5,000 miles from new. No kidding."

It means how many miles the car has been driven since it was brand new. A very low number usually suggests less driving wear, but an older car that sat a lot still needs a careful check.

Term

original wood

"Paint, original wood. I know that was on the website. You can scroll down to that."

They mean the wood trim inside the car is still the original factory material. Keeping it intact is a big deal on older luxury cars because it’s part of what makes the interior look authentic.

Concept

numbers matching

"It has never been sold. We still have the original unassigned title to that car."

“Numbers matching” means the car’s important parts are still the original ones from the factory. Collectors like it because it suggests the car hasn’t been heavily swapped or rebuilt.

Car

Pontiac Streamliner 8 Woody station wagon

"We recently acquired a 46 Pontiac Streamliner 8 Woody station wagon, 14,000 miles from new."

This is a classic Pontiac station wagon with a “Woody” style, meaning it has wood-style panels on the outside. The interesting part here is that it’s very well preserved and has a clear history.

Term

independent front suspension

"And that was the first year that, that Buick introduced the independent front suspension, [1932.3s] called the action suspension."

Independent front suspension means the left and right front wheels can react to bumps separately. That usually makes the car feel smoother and helps it keep steering more consistently.

Term

action suspension

"called the action suspension. [1934.4s] And we've done this stick before because, you know, I say there's, I say that all the"

“Action suspension” is the name Buick used for its independent front suspension system on the 1934 model year. The term here matters because it’s a brand-specific label for a specific suspension design, not just a generic description of suspension.

Car

Cadillac V16

"...here's a couple of exceptions for that. We have a V16 Marmin, a DB three to two studs. Yeah."

The Cadillac V16 is an old luxury car made by Cadillac. It’s called “V16” because it has sixteen cylinders in its engine, which was unusual for its time. In the podcast, it’s brought up as a special exception because it doesn’t follow the more typical pattern being discussed.

Person

Miles Collier

"and then they hop at a 34 Buick and Miles Collier experiences. [1974.4s] And he wrote it in one of his books. [1976.1s] He goes, I would have never guessed that the best driving car from that day was a Buick."

Miles Collier is mentioned as a writer who described these cars and their driving feel. The host uses his book to back up the idea that the Buick surprised everyone as the best driver.

Term

limousines

"But, you know, these are Cadillacs, Buicks, couple of Packards, you know, all limousines, formal limousines that, yeah."

A limousine is a longer, more formal car usually driven by a chauffeur. Here, they’re saying these Vatican cars were official and ceremonial rather than meant to be fast.

Concept

cars from that era that did not get saved

"It's also, there's an awful lot of cars from that era that did not get saved."

They’re talking about old cars that never made it to today. Instead of being restored and kept, many get thrown away or rot, so fewer survive.

Car

1940 Nash Ambassador A convertible

"an example of one of the cars that has been restored by our team is a 1940 Nash Ambassador A convertible."

This is a very old Nash car—specifically a 1940 Nash Ambassador A convertible. The interesting part is that it’s so rare that the restoration group says they only know of one surviving example.

Term

body was incredibly rusty

"It was in pretty poor shape. The body was incredibly rusty."

Rust is a big problem on old cars. If the body is “incredibly rusty,” it usually means the metal is badly corroded and the restoration will require a lot of repair work.

Car

1934 Chrysler air flow coupes

"The current floor restoration project is a pair of 1934 Chrysler air flow coupes."

This is a 1934 Chrysler called the Airflow. They’re working on restoring a pair of these coupes, and the Airflow name is tied to Chrysler’s early push toward better aerodynamics.

Concept

extant

"So how many of these do you think are still extant? These are two of 15 known to live."

“Extant” just means “still around.” In car collecting, it’s a way to talk about how many surviving cars still exist today. The hosts use it to count how many Airflow coupes are left.

Term

rag top

"I keep going back to the Nash rag top. Man, is that thing good looking?"

“Rag top” means a convertible with a cloth roof. It’s just another way to say “soft-top convertible.”

Car

Chrysler C300

"I think this thing sexy is the 55 Chrysler C 300. Oh, that's beautiful. That thing is cool looking. I like that."

This is a 1955 Chrysler 300. It’s a classic, stylish car that’s known for having real power. The host also hints there’s something hidden about this one—things that aren’t obvious just by looking.

Concept

preserved state

"So out of more than 300 cars between Pennsylvania and Italy, all of them are in their, you know, maybe restored to original or they're maintained in a preserved state."

“Preserved” means the car is being kept in a more original, existing condition. Instead of making it look brand-new, the goal is to keep it authentic.

Concept

looks stock

"So that car was, you know, if you look at it and look stock inside and out very intentionally it looks stock. There's only two things that would give it away if you really know what you're looking at."

“Looks stock” means it looks like it’s still the way it came from the factory. The host is saying this car seems normal at first glance, even if there are subtle differences underneath.

Term

3D scan

"They pulled the body off the chassis, did a 3D scan of the underside of the body and [2417.6s] used that to build a custom race chassis and the drive train is out of a 2014 Hellcat."

A 3D scan is like taking a detailed “digital copy” of a real object. In this case, they scanned the underside so they could build a race chassis that matches the body.

Car

Challenger Hellcat

"They pulled the body off the chassis, did a 3D scan of the underside of the body and [2417.6s] used that to build a custom race chassis and the drive train is out of a 2014 Hellcat."

A “Hellcat” is a Dodge with a very strong V8 engine. Here, the builder used the engine and transmission setup from a 2014 Hellcat and put it into a custom race car.

Term

drive train

"used that to build a custom race chassis and the drive train is out of a 2014 Hellcat."

“Drivetrain” is the collection of components that send power from the engine to the wheels, typically including the transmission, driveshaft(s), differential, and related parts. In a custom race build, swapping in a drivetrain from another car is a major engineering decision because it affects weight, fitment, and how the car puts power down.

Term

fuel runners

"But if you look at the fuel runners. [2458.2s] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [2460.6s] I'll tell you what."

Fuel runners are the channels that move fuel from the fuel system into the engine. Better design helps the engine get fuel to the cylinders more evenly.

Term

horsepower

"And of course, massive amounts of horsepower."

Horsepower is a way to describe how much “power” the engine can make. More horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder, especially when paired with good handling.

Concept

speed distance endurance rally

"[2968.7s] speed distance endurance rally. [2970.7s] Five of those six years was in a 1917 peerless open cockpit speedster."

This sounds like a rally where you’re timed and expected to keep going for a long distance, not just do one fast run. The “endurance” part matters because you have to stay steady and handle tough conditions for the whole event.

Car

1917 peerless open cockpit speedster

"Five of those six years was in a 1917 peerless open cockpit speedster. [2976.6s] And love that car."

This is a very old (1917) Peerless car with an open cockpit, meaning you sit out in the open instead of being protected by a full windshield or roof. The host brings it up to show what it’s like to drive an early car in real rally conditions, especially in heavy rain.

Term

windshield

"And now this is a cockpit car speedster with no windshield. [3015.8s] I mean, it has a tiny little windscreen. [3019.5s] And there was one day and we were on the course."

A windshield is the front glass that helps keep wind and rain off you while you drive. In this story, the lack of a full windshield makes the rain feel much worse and more dangerous.

Term

on the clock

"And there was one day and we were on the course. [3022.8s] We were on the clock. [3024.9s] Maybe we were doing this phenomenon of calories."

“On the clock” means you’re being timed, like you have to hit certain checkpoints by certain times. It’s not just about finishing—it’s about how fast you do it.

Car

Buick Century

"...sed a kind of good deal on a little mile of Buick Century and wondered why it massively started rusting out..."

The Buick Century is a regular, mid-size sedan meant for everyday driving. The podcast mentions one that had low miles but still started rusting badly. Rust like that can be a big problem because it can affect the body and sometimes the car’s structure.

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