Driving School; Dodge Charger Review; 1981 Classifieds; Q&A
About this episode
Zach earns his Skip Barber Sonoma competition license (pass/fail open-book), sharing what it takes to push without crashing and how data-driven coaching differs from Spring Mountain’s Corvette setup. Matt reviews the new Dodge Charger 6-Pack after a 1,600-mile desert run, praising practicality and comfort but criticizing heavy-car feel, excessive ride/handling compromise, and especially the twin-turbo inline-six drone and “not-fun” character. The hosts also recap recent Driving School/Desert 600 events, Waymo highway oddities, and a 1981 Road & Track classifieds nostalgia segment with inflation math. Q&A covers watches, car-hobby burnout, and buying advice.
Matt Farah completed a Road & Track Experience of the Southwest and has things to say about the new Dodge Charger; Zack Klapman reviews Skip Barber's -day Advanced course AND now has a racing license; we look at classified ads from 1981; a Waymo was lane-hogging; and Patreon questions include:
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- The 911 GT3 Cabrio
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- Favorite M2 generation/spec
- Ecoboost Mustang vs GR86
- The Ford vs Porsche vs Chevy 'Ring battle
- Elantra N: '22 or stretch for the '26?
- The search for tactile feel
- How to deal with gatekeepers
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Skip Barber Sonoma
"Zach gets his competition racing license at Skip Barber Sonoma. I drive 1600 miles in the new Dodge Charger 6-Pack and give my review."
Skip Barber is a well-known racing school, and Sonoma refers to the Sonoma track in California. Getting a competition racing license there implies the host completed a structured track/racing curriculum and licensing process.
competition racing license
"Zach gets his competition racing license at Skip Barber Sonoma. I drive 1600 miles in the new Dodge Charger 6-Pack and give my review."
A competition racing license is permission to race in organized events. It usually means you’ve proven you can handle the car safely and follow track rules.
A competition racing license is the credential required to enter organized motorsport events. It typically involves passing classroom and on-track requirements, demonstrating control at speed, and meeting safety standards set by a sanctioning body.
Ssangyong Musso
"...e thing. I had this, I had last night, we were at Musso and Franks. Shout out to TST listener, Brian, wh..."
The Ssangyong Musso is a type of SUV that’s built for practical, everyday driving and tougher conditions. The podcast mentions it briefly in a conversation about what someone had or drove. It’s not a mainstream sports car, but it’s a real vehicle people use.
The Ssangyong Musso is a midsize SUV/pickup-based vehicle that’s typically associated with rugged, utilitarian use. The episode references it in a casual, listener-related mention, suggesting it came up as part of the show’s broader “what people drive” conversation. It’s relevant because it represents a more off-the-mainstream choice compared with the more commonly discussed performance cars.
Buick
"And Lynn drove her old Porsche. And Aaron drove like an old Buick."
They’re mentioning an older Buick. Buick is an American car brand that’s usually more about comfort than sharp sports-car handling.
The transcript says Aaron drove an old Buick. Buick is an American brand that’s often associated with comfortable, traditional styling and a softer ride than many European sports cars.
Heritage Invitational
"We got ahead because we were traveling. We did, we did the gig at the Heritage Invitational. I hope the people at home enjoyed that show."
They’re talking about an event called the Heritage Invitational. It’s a track day/race where different drivers compete, and the hosts got to take part in the Legends-car races.
The Heritage Invitational is described as a track event where the hosts got to drive “Legends cars.” It’s presented as a fun, driver-focused competition that also includes pro drivers and charity elements.
Legends cars
"That's a really fun event. We got to drive the Legends cars on the track. We saw a bunch of, a bunch of very, very, very famous and legendary racing drivers duke it out in similar cars."
Legends cars are a type of race car used in a spec racing series. Because the cars are similar, it’s easier to tell who’s driving the best.
“Legends cars” are a spec-style racing category designed to be affordable and competitive, often with standardized cars and rules. That’s why the hosts can compare drivers closely—small differences in driving and setup matter a lot.
Pro Am
"We saw like in the, in the Pro Am where they, they had a bunch of these pro drivers. I mean NASCAR Legends, they had Bill Elliott and Mark Martin."
Pro Am means pros and amateurs race together. In this case, the pros bring experience, and the amateurs get to compete too—often with different goals like learning, fundraising, or just racing.
“Pro Am” refers to a mixed field where professional drivers and amateur drivers compete together. The hosts describe pro drivers (including NASCAR figures) and wealthy amateurs buying seats to race, which changes the strategy and pacing.
NASCAR Legends
"I mean NASCAR Legends, they had Bill Elliott and Mark Martin. Jeff Gordon. Jeff Gordon."
They’re calling out that the pro drivers are NASCAR “legends,” meaning famous, accomplished NASCAR racers. It’s basically a way of saying the event has big-name talent.
“NASCAR Legends” is used here as a label for well-known NASCAR drivers participating in the event. It signals that the pro field includes major NASCAR names rather than anonymous racers.
podium
"So I drove his Legends car. Yeah, he's the track. He fucking got on the podium. He's third place."
“Podium” means you finished near the very front—usually top three. They’re highlighting that the guy they watched did really well.
The “podium” is shorthand for finishing in the top three positions of a race. The hosts use it to emphasize that the driver they’re talking about finished third and was competitive even in semifinals.
Sim stuff
"And Graham goes, no, he's like the facility's something, brother. So he just does Sim stuff and drives when he can. And he's really good."
“Sim stuff” means practicing in a racing video game simulator. They’re saying it can help you get better at real racing too.
“Sim stuff” refers to practicing in racing simulators (like PC/console racing sims). The hosts connect simulator practice to real-world performance, implying transferable skills like car control and racecraft.
competition license
"And then Zach went to get his competition license. [602.3s] I did. How'd that go? And I got it. You passed. I passed. I passed. It is past fail open book."
A competition license is basically a “you’re allowed to race” card. You usually have to show you can drive safely and follow rules, not just go fast.
A competition license is permission from a sanctioning body to race in organized events. The key idea is that passing isn’t just about speed—it’s also about demonstrating control and not causing incidents.
past fail open book
"I did. How'd that go? And I got it. You passed. I passed. I passed. It is past fail open book. [608.3s] It kind of is. Yeah. Yeah, it is."
“Pass/fail open book” describes an evaluation format where you can reference materials while completing the test. In racing schools, this often means the focus is on understanding procedures and safety rules, not memorizing everything under pressure.
sanctioning body
"And like, [619.7s] you'll, you know, they'll probably give you the license, but that's just like the actual race, [624.0s] by the way. That's the same rules, right? Like the sanctioning body gives no fucks. If you're fast or slow, they care if you're crashing into shit."
A sanctioning body is the group that officially runs the racing series. They care most about safety—like not crashing into people or barriers—more than just being fast.
A sanctioning body is the organization that governs racing events and sets the rules for licensing and competition. The transcript emphasizes that they prioritize incident-free driving over raw speed.
run short 11 / overshoot by eight feet
"I had, I had one off, but it was in it. [635.3s] I was just practicing like playing with deeper braking zones... [645.4s] And I overshot it by like eight feet. And they flag me anyway, because that's just protocol."
Even if you think you’ll be fine, going past the intended track area can still get you flagged. Track schools watch whether you’re staying in control and following the safety plan.
The transcript discusses track limits and how small deviations can still matter for safety and evaluation. Overshooting or “running short” a specific corner reference point can trigger flags even if the driver believes they had room to recover.
deeper braking zones
"I was just practicing like playing with deeper braking zones. [638.9s] And it was an area that was coned, not dirt. And I went, all right, if like, if I overshoot this, I have runway."
Braking later means you wait longer before slowing down for the turn. It can make you faster, but if you wait too long you can run wide.
“Deeper braking zones” means braking later than usual—closer to the corner—so you carry more speed into the turn. It’s a common track-learning technique, but it increases the risk of overshooting if you misjudge distance or grip.
corner seven / corner 11
"They were like, we like to do this in corner seven. [666.5s] And I was in 11. Oh yeah. But you, but it was short 11. They owned 11. If you run short 11, [672.6s] you've got, unless you're blowing that at 100 miles an hour, if you blow that by a few feet, that's a, so much room."
The transcript references specific track corners by number (corner seven and corner 11), which is how many circuits communicate locations for instruction and safety. It also highlights that some corners are bumpy or have limited margin, changing how you should approach them.
advanced two day skip barber class
"Yeah. [687.7s] Get out of here. Like he, he got on the gas too early coming out of it and 11's bumpy. Like you just, this [693.4s] class is, it was, so this was the advanced two day skip barber class. I had signed up for it months ago."
The Skip Barber Racing School offers structured driver training, and an “advanced two day” class implies higher-level instruction and on-track evaluation. The transcript also suggests the class can count toward SCCA licensing/requirements, making it more than just a casual track day.
advanced class
"competition license. If you get passed through in, in the advanced class. So they send a certification to SCCA..."
The “advanced class” refers to a higher-level training track that can qualify you for a competition license. The hosts are describing how the licensing process ties to completing specific training steps.
SCCA
"So they send a certification to SCCA and SCCA says, Oh, okay, here is your license. Spring Mountain also counts if you do the two day advanced class..."
SCCA is a big U.S. club that organizes amateur racing events. They also handle the paperwork side—like recognizing training so you can get a competition license.
SCCA is the Sports Car Club of America, which runs amateur road racing and autocross programs. In this segment, they’re involved in issuing or recognizing competition licenses after training.
Spring Mountain
"Spring Mountain also counts if you do the two day advanced class, which you've already done... But Spring Mountain took that off of their website..."
Spring Mountain is a driving school/training place for motorsports. The point here is that after you take their class, you still have to make sure the training counts for your racing license through SCCA.
Spring Mountain is a motorsports training facility that offers advanced driving classes. Here, the hosts discuss how Spring Mountain’s training used to be listed publicly and how you may need to verify it through SCCA.
2013 Mustangs
"So I did the skip bar for two day class. I was driving, you're doing a bad driving 2013 Mustangs at Sonoma. Weather was perfect..."
They’re using 2013 Ford Mustangs for the driving school. The idea is that you can learn track driving in a car that’s set up for the track without needing to worry about a super exotic machine.
The hosts say they were driving “2013 Mustangs” at Sonoma as part of a school/track program. These are typically track-prepped versions used for driver training, with simplified setups so the focus is on learning rather than performance heroics.
half cage harnesses
"The cars are pretty simple. They've got stop tech brakes, half cage harnesses. That's it."
A half cage is part of a roll-over safety frame, and harnesses are racing seat belts. They keep you securely in place and are safer than a normal seat belt on track.
“Half cage” usually means a partial roll cage for added safety, and “harnesses” are racing seat belts (often 4- or 5-point) used with the cage. Together, they reduce occupant movement during hard cornering and improve safety in track incidents.
stop tech brakes
"The cars are pretty simple. They've got stop tech brakes, half cage harnesses. That's it."
StopTech brakes are upgraded brake parts from a company that makes track-focused braking systems. For a driving school, better brakes help the car stop reliably lap after lap.
StopTech is an aftermarket brake brand known for track-capable brake systems. In this context, the cars have StopTech brakes, which helps with consistent stopping power and heat management during repeated laps.
Tremac six speed
"That's it. I mean, some of them have been swapped to the Tremac six speed. I think a few are still five speeds..."
They’re talking about the manual gearbox. Some of the school cars use a Tremec six-speed, which changes how you shift and how the car stays in the right power band.
“Tremac” is likely referring to a Tremec six-speed manual transmission used in some track-prepped Mustangs. The hosts mention some cars being swapped to a six-speed, while others remain on a five-speed.
Coyote motor
"And it's pretty much it. It's a real simple formula in square stance, I think. And you said it's a 13. So it's a coyote motor car, at least, right?"
“Coyote” is what people call Ford’s 5.0-liter V8 engine used in Mustangs. They’re saying the school cars use this kind of engine because it’s generally reliable and cost-effective.
“Coyote” refers to Ford’s 5.0L V8 engine family used in many Mustang models. The hosts are debating which specific displacement/engine variant the school car has, emphasizing that it’s intended to be reliable and inexpensive for a training fleet.
square stance
"It's pretty much it. It's a real simple formula in square stance, I think. And you said it's a 13..."
“Square stance” means the tires are set up the same front and rear. That can make the car feel more consistent and easier to manage during a school.
“Square stance” means the car runs the same tire size and overall setup front and rear, rather than staggered sizes. That can make the car’s handling more predictable for driver training and simplifies tire management.
90,000 miles
"Mine had 90,000 miles on it or something like that. Skippy is a skippy does. They're making it work..."
They mention their car had about 90,000 miles. The takeaway is that these track cars can be driven hard and still be fine if they’re kept in good shape.
The host notes their car had around 90,000 miles, highlighting that these training cars can rack up mileage yet still be used if they remain reliable. It’s a practical point about how “school cars” are maintained and operated.
Skippy
"Mine had 90,000 miles on it or something like that. Skippy is a skippy does. They're making it work. You know, that company went bankrupt a little bit and now they're back..."
“Skippy” sounds like the name of a company involved with these cars or the program. They’re saying it had financial trouble (bankruptcy) and later came back.
“Skippy” appears to be a company or program name tied to the school cars or parts supply, and the host mentions it went bankrupt and then returned. The context suggests it’s relevant to why some cars/parts may behave “weird.”
upshifting super early
"So I think one person was upshifting super early and they're like, the car bogs, you know, like, sure."
If you shift to a higher gear too soon, the engine can run at too low an RPM. Then it doesn’t have enough power and the car feels like it’s bogging down.
Upshifting super early can drop engine speed too low for the load, causing the engine to struggle and the car to feel like it “bogs.” On track, this can reduce acceleration out of corners and make the car less responsive.
car bogs
"So I think one person was upshifting super early and they're like, the car bogs, you know, like, sure."
“Bogs” means the car feels sluggish, like it’s not pulling. Usually it’s because the engine is spinning too slowly for the situation.
“Bogs” describes an engine that loses momentum because it’s operating below the RPM range where it can make enough torque. In a training context, it often happens when the driver upshifts too early or doesn’t keep enough throttle.
five speed
"sure oddities. Well, if it's that five speed. Yeah, I don't know which one. Mine was a Tremac. So it felt great."
“Five-speed” means the car has a stick shift with five forward gears. More gears can help the engine stay in the right power range, and the exact feel depends on the transmission.
A “five-speed” refers to a manual transmission with five forward gears. Gear ratios and shift feel can vary a lot between different five-speed designs, which is why it can noticeably change how a car drives.
Ford Ranchero
"...ure. Funny enough, this car felt so much like the ranchero I race in lemons. I swear to God, that is a comp..."
The Ford Ranchero is a classic vehicle that mixes a car and a pickup truck. The podcast mentions it because the host feels another car they drive feels similar to the Ranchero. It’s a unique type of vehicle that people remember for its unusual design.
The Ford Ranchero is a classic vehicle that blends the look and practicality of a pickup with the driving feel of a passenger car. The episode mentions it in a comparison to a race car the host drives, implying the Ranchero’s layout and feel are similar enough to be a reference point. It’s discussed because it’s a memorable, niche classic that stands out for its hybrid concept.
Chevrolet Corvette
"I could go to Skippy at Sonoma or I could go to Spring Mountain and drive Corvettes. How do you compare those two experiences?"
They’re comparing driving-school options that let you drive Corvettes. A Corvette is a sports car from Chevrolet, and it’s a popular choice for learning because it’s designed to handle spirited driving.
The hosts mention driving “Corvettes” as part of a driving-school experience. Chevrolet’s Corvette is a common track-capable sports car, so it’s often used for driver training because it’s predictable and has strong performance.
Mac tools
"Folks taking a quick break for Mac tools. You know, Mac tools. You've seen the Mac tools truck at shops before."
They’re talking about Mac Tools, a company that sells tools to mechanics. The host explains how their franchisees sell tools to local shops and build ongoing customer relationships.
Mac Tools is discussed as a franchise model for selling professional tools directly to shops and technicians. The episode uses it as an example of how automotive businesses can create repeat customer relationships.
data logging system
"because the new Corvettes have the data logging system built into it. And what we would do between"
Data logging means the car can record what it’s doing while you drive. Afterward, you can look at the numbers to understand how your runs went and what to adjust.
A data logging system records vehicle and driving metrics (like speed, throttle/brake inputs, and sometimes temperatures) so you can review performance after a run. In a track-day context, it helps drivers and instructors diagnose issues and track improvements over time.
break trace
"between sessions at Spring Mountain, they would pull up your video with all your break trace, your GPS trace. They would show your route and show where I was breaking too late, too much."
A brake trace is basically a lap-by-lap graph of your braking. It shows where you started braking and how hard, so you can see if you’re coming in too late or braking too much.
A “break trace” is a recorded pattern of when and how hard you brake along a lap. In driver coaching, it helps pinpoint exactly where braking is happening too late or too aggressively, which affects corner entry speed and balance.
GPS trace
"between sessions at Spring Mountain, they would pull up your video with all your break trace, your GPS trace. They would show your route and show where I was breaking too late, too much."
A GPS trace is a recorded map of where the car went on the track. It helps coaches see if your line and timing are off, even if you feel like you drove “fine.”
A GPS trace overlays your car’s path and timing around the track. When paired with video, it lets instructors compare your line and speed changes to the ideal reference, showing where you’re arriving at corners incorrectly.
Cosworth Toolbox
"Exactly. So it's that with a Cosworth software. Yeah, it's Cosworth Toolbox."
Cosworth Toolbox is a computer program that helps coaches review your driving. It lines up your data with what happened on video so you can see exactly what to change.
Cosworth Toolbox is software used to analyze track driving data alongside video. In this context, it’s being used to overlay braking and acceleration behavior so instructors can point out specific mistakes and improvements.
one or two changes
"And in between each session, you only want to make one or two changes. You don't need to overwhelm yourself and go, here's where I'm fucking up every corner."
Instead of trying to fix everything at once, you pick one or two things to work on. That way your brain learns the change and you don’t get confused or worse at the basics.
The “one or two changes” approach is a coaching strategy to avoid overloading your brain during practice. By focusing on a small, measurable adjustment per session, you can make it automatic before moving on to the next improvement.
rest your brain
"Cause one, you can analyze what you're doing to you need to rest your brain and kind of calm yourself down a bit and process."
Driving fast is also mentally exhausting. Taking a break helps you calm down and think clearly, so you can actually learn from what you did wrong.
The speaker emphasizes that track sessions aren’t just physical—they’re mental. Taking breaks helps you reset, then analyze what happened with clearer focus before the next run, which improves learning and decision-making.
driving energy vs speed
"They never use the word speed. They never say you're carrying good speed there. They say energy. I think that, and they wouldn't give people breaking markers."
Instead of telling you to go faster, coaches sometimes talk about “energy.” That means how much momentum you’re carrying—how hard you’re moving and how that affects braking and cornering. It helps because different drivers may need different brake points to carry the right momentum.
The hosts discuss how some driving coaches avoid the word “speed” and instead talk about “energy.” In racing instruction, “energy” is a more general way to describe how much momentum you carry into and through a corner, which affects braking, turn-in, and exit. It’s often used to prevent students from chasing a single number that may not translate between drivers or cars.
braking markers
"they wouldn't give people breaking markers. Cause it's like, they wouldn't say, Hey, you should break at the, at the three and a half... which does make sense."
Braking markers are track reference points that tell you when to start slowing down for a turn. The point here is that one marker can mean different things for different drivers, because everyone brakes a little differently. So coaches may focus on learning your own braking behavior rather than copying a number.
“Braking markers” are reference points on track used to decide when to start braking for a corner. The discussion highlights why coaches may avoid giving a single fixed marker: different drivers brake differently and may not reach the same pedal position or braking threshold. That means the same physical marker can correspond to very different braking performance and results.
self-coaching
"I came away, I learned a lot that I had to self coach myself through. And they do say like self coaching is a big thing of driving..."
Self-coaching means you don’t just listen to the instructor—you also watch what you did and figure out what to change. You compare your laps and try small adjustments. It’s how you turn practice into real improvement.
The hosts emphasize “self coaching” as a key part of learning to drive faster. Rather than relying only on instructor notes, the driver observes what happened, compares laps, and adjusts technique independently. This approach is especially important when skill levels vary within a class.
data is important (lap data comparison)
"having the data is just like so important. Like when we go to road America... we'll have his law, his data... and then... it's here's your line. Here's Tato's line. He does this much more break pressure."
They’re saying the numbers matter—lap data helps you see what you’re doing differently from a faster driver. After qualifying and practice, you compare things like braking and the racing line. Then you try a few specific changes instead of guessing.
The segment stresses that lap data is crucial for improving performance. They describe a workflow: qualify to generate baseline data, then practice, then compare the driver’s line and braking behavior to a reference driver’s data. The goal is to identify actionable changes (like braking pressure and timing) to close the gap lap-by-lap.
Road America qualifying day workflow
"Like when we go to road America, like the by far, the most important thing we're going to do is on the Friday, which is qualifying day... we'll have his law, his data, and then we will go practice the car..."
They describe how they run a track day at Road America: first qualify to get a baseline, then practice, and later review what the faster driver did. The idea is to use that feedback to improve your next laps. It’s basically a repeatable learning plan.
This is a track-day/road-course routine centered on Road America: qualify first to establish baseline performance, then practice multiple sessions, and finally review data at dinner. The hosts use this structure to explain how they translate coaching feedback into on-track adjustments. It’s a useful “how to learn a track” segment.
racing line
"at home, at dinner, that night, it's here's your line. Here's Tato's line. He does this much more break pressure."
The “racing line” is the path you choose through a corner. A better line can help the car stay more stable and get back to full throttle sooner. They’re comparing their line to a faster driver to learn what to change.
The hosts reference “your line” and “Tato’s line,” meaning the racing line—the path the car takes through corners to maximize speed and minimize time. They also connect line differences to braking pressure and lap consistency. This is a core concept in road-course driving because line choice affects traction, cornering load, and exit speed.
brake pressure differences
"He does this much more break pressure. He does this much less... And then you can, you know, throughout the race, try to go..."
They’re talking about how hard you press the brakes compared to another driver. Braking harder or softer changes how the car sets up for the corner and how much grip you have. It can make your laps more consistent.
The discussion includes comparing braking pressure between drivers (e.g., “more break pressure” vs “less”). This matters because braking force and timing directly influence how much grip is available at turn-in and how stable the car feels. Small changes in braking pressure can improve lap consistency even if the best lap doesn’t jump immediately.
lap consistency vs best lap
"my very best lap only got a tiny little bit faster, but all the rest of my laps got closer to my best lap... So I think like all, like either my slop got less..."
They’re saying their top lap didn’t get dramatically faster, but their other laps improved a lot. That means they were driving more consistently. In racing, consistency is huge because it reduces mistakes and keeps you closer to your potential every lap.
The host notes that their “very best lap” improved only slightly, but the rest of their laps got closer to that best lap. This highlights the difference between chasing a single peak lap and improving consistency. Consistency often comes from reducing “slop” (variability) by making repeatable inputs—especially braking and line choices.
planning those moves three corners out
"stuck, but like planning those moves three corners out so that you don't get stuck on the third corner. You just go by is something that I just have to learn."
That’s about thinking ahead while you drive. Instead of only focusing on the next turn, you plan a few turns in advance so you don’t end up trapped behind someone.
This describes multi-corner planning: setting up a pass or avoiding being stuck by thinking several turns ahead. On track, your speed and position in one corner strongly affect what you can do in the next few corners, so “where you’ll be” matters as much as “how fast you go.”
racecraft
"That's, and that's, they did cover some racecraft in the class. They covered a lot of stuff. I don't want to harp on them entirely, but the one other fast guy in the class was an old man"
Racecraft just means “how to drive smart” in a race. It’s about picking the right moments to set up corners and pass, not just going as fast as possible all the time.
Racecraft is the set of driving skills used to gain position on track—things like choosing when to brake, where to place the car in a corner, and how to time passes. It’s less about raw speed and more about reading traffic and managing your line lap after lap.
rear view
"And then I'm just, I'm going up like turn three at Sonoma and I look at my rear view and someone is up my ass."
Using the rear view (mirrors) while driving is a key track skill for situational awareness—knowing where faster cars are and adjusting your line to avoid being surprised or boxed in. It’s especially important when passing is allowed or when you’re being pressured from behind.
open passing time
"I go, my ego, I go, some instructor put on a regular helmet and he's fucking with us. This is open passing time. That's what's happening."
Open passing time means passing is allowed during that part of the session. It’s basically when the rules say you can try to overtake other cars.
“Open passing time” means the session rules allow drivers to pass each other on track, typically without the restrictions used during drills or controlled periods. Instructors sometimes use this to test whether students can execute passes safely and predictably.
engine braking
"have to break going into turn two. I can just downshift. And you break with the hill with the [1561.2s] elevation. I was doing like a light tap, but I just went, well, if I'm going to catch Charles, [1565.0s] I'm just going to go for it."
Engine braking is when your car slows down because the engine is resisting the wheels. It happens when you lift off the gas or shift to a lower gear. It can help you slow smoothly without riding the brakes.
Engine braking is deceleration created by the engine when you lift off the throttle or downshift. It’s especially useful on track because it can help stabilize the car and reduce brake use. The amount of engine braking depends on gear selection and throttle position.
downshift
"have to break going into turn two. I can just downshift. And you break with the hill with the [1561.2s] elevation."
Downshifting means you put the car in a lower gear. That makes the engine spin faster and helps slow the car a bit without using the brake as much. It can also make the car feel more responsive when you accelerate out of the turn.
Downshifting is when you select a lower gear to increase engine RPM and help the car slow down using engine braking. On track, it can also improve throttle response for corner exit. Used correctly, it reduces how much you rely on the brakes mid-corner.
Lime Rock
"and you can drive tracks you've dreamt about, like they do Laguna Seca and Lime Rock and Coda. [1609.1s] Like, so if you don't want to fly to Vegas, you don't have to."
Lime Rock is a race track in Connecticut. It’s known for being a smaller, twisty track where you have to be precise. The hosts are listing it as another “dream track” you can drive through a school.
Lime Rock Park is a historic short road course in Connecticut known for being fast, technical, and unforgiving. Mentioning it alongside Laguna Seca and Coda highlights how driving schools can give students exposure to different track styles. Short tracks like Lime Rock often emphasize braking and corner precision.
Laguna Seca
"and you can drive tracks you've dreamt about, like they do Laguna Seca and Lime Rock and Coda. [1609.1s] Like, so if you don't want to fly to Vegas, you don't have to."
Laguna Seca is a well-known race track in California. It’s famous for being tricky and fun to drive. The hosts are saying schools can help you get to tracks like this without having to plan a big trip.
Laguna Seca is a famous road course in California known for its challenging layout and iconic corners like the Corkscrew. The hosts mention it as one of the tracks driving schools can take you to, so you can experience “dream” circuits without traveling far. It’s a common reference point for track-day and racing culture.
Coda
"and you can drive tracks you've dreamt about, like they do Laguna Seca and Lime Rock and Coda. [1609.1s] Like, so if you don't want to fly to Vegas, you don't have to."
Coda is another race track the hosts mention as a place you can drive through a program. They’re basically saying you can get track time at famous circuits without traveling as far. If you’re curious, look up the track name to find the exact location.
Coda is a road course name referenced by the hosts as part of the set of tracks driving schools can take students to. It’s mentioned in the same breath as Laguna Seca and Lime Rock, implying a similar “bucket list” track experience. If you’re looking it up, confirm the exact venue name/spelling used in your region.
lift a little bit / back get light / settles back
"And these cars, my car was really balanced. Like, it was a good teacher. You just lift a little bit. You feel [1623.8s] the back get light. You add the gas a little bit. It settles back. I mean, it was, it was really"
They’re describing how small changes in throttle can change how the car sits and grips in a turn. Lift a bit and the car shifts weight; then add gas and it settles back down. The key is doing it smoothly so the car stays stable.
This describes a common track technique for managing balance: lifting slightly to transfer weight and reduce front grip demand, then adding throttle to settle the car back as traction returns. The “back get light” moment is a warning that the rear is unloading, which can lead to oversteer if overdone. It’s essentially throttle/brake balance and weight transfer in action.
steering feel
"No steering feel, but we're used to driving BMWs. And also when you're in a racing seat and [1652.0s] everything else is so locked down, like you get enough information that like I knew when I was [1656.7s] understeering for easily."
Steering feel is how much the steering wheel tells you what the tires are doing. Some cars feel very communicative, others feel vague. The point here is that you can still drive well even if the steering isn’t super talkative.
Steering feel is how clearly the steering system communicates grip and tire behavior to the driver. Some cars are praised for feedback, while others feel numb but still drive well with good tires and predictable balance. The hosts argue you can manage without “super steering feel” if you understand the car’s behavior and have seat time.
BMWs
"No steering feel, but we're used to driving BMWs. And also when you're in a racing seat and [1652.0s] everything else is so locked down, like you get enough information that like I knew when I was"
The hosts reference being “used to driving BMWs,” implying BMWs often have steering and chassis feedback that drivers learn to interpret. This is used as a comparison point for how much steering feel matters when learning track driving. It’s a brand-level driving-characteristic comment rather than a specific model review.
understeering
"like you get enough information that like I knew when I was [1656.7s] understeering for easily. Yeah. And you've driven enough cars, you know, you don't need [1662.9s] super, super steering feel to get through that kind of stuff."
Understeering means the car doesn’t turn as much as you want. The front tires are losing grip first, so the car feels like it wants to go straight. Learning to notice it helps you drive smoother and adjust your inputs.
Understeering (often called “push”) happens when the front tires lose grip before the rear, so the car turns less than you expect. On track, it’s a key feedback signal that helps you adjust braking, steering input, and throttle. The hosts mention recognizing understeer even without “super steering feel,” because the driver can feel the car’s balance changing.
pit stop strategy
"...this is like, you know, what happened to this and this and can like see and just knows like everything about pit stop strategy and how to like mentally fuck with other teams..."
In racing, teams have to stop to change tires. Pit stop strategy is deciding the best time to do that so you come out ahead of other cars.
Pit stop strategy is how a race team plans when to change tires and make other service stops during a race. Small timing choices—like when to pit relative to traffic and tire wear—can swing track position and race outcome.
road and track desert 600
"So while you were doing that, I went on the road and track desert 600 folks, one more break because support is coming in..."
That phrase sounds like a specific race event. It’s basically a motorsport event in a desert setting, and the host is saying they were out there driving.
“Road and Track Desert 600” refers to a motorsport event/series associated with Road & Track, typically involving endurance-style racing in a desert setting. The mention here is used to set the context of where the host was driving or racing.
drive with Jim Farley
"Very easy to find drive with Jim Farley. Check it out across. You can you can play that if you want to see all the cars."
They mention a podcast called “Drive with Jim Farley.” It’s basically interviews about cars—what people drive and why they care.
“Drive with Jim Farley” is referenced as a podcast where Ford’s CEO interviews people about what they drive and what motivates them. The host uses it as a jumping-off point before getting into his own driving experience.
Charger Six Pack
"...ute muted play it. So I was driving the new Dodge Charger six pack scat pack coupe. And I actually like was like pr..."
Here, “Charger” means the Dodge Charger that the host drove. They talk about how it feels and what they liked about it. It’s mentioned because it’s part of their real driving review.
In this episode, “Charger” refers to the Dodge Charger being driven and reviewed, specifically described as a “new Dodge Charger” in a “6-Pack scat pack coupe” context. The discussion focuses on how it feels to drive and what the host likes about it after spending time behind the wheel. It’s included because it’s the main subject of that segment’s driving impressions.
Scat Pack
"So I was driving the new Dodge Charger six pack scat pack coupe. And I actually like was like pretty excited to drive that car."
“Scat Pack” is Dodge’s name for a sportier, higher-performance version of a car. Think of it as the “enthusiast” trim level with more power and more aggressive character.
“Scat Pack” is a Dodge performance trim name used on models like the Charger and Challenger. It generally indicates a more powerful engine and sportier equipment than base trims, aimed at enthusiasts rather than everyday commuting.
Dodge Challenger
"...our door now. And I always thought, you know, the Challenger sort of looked like the old Challenger just bigg..."
The Dodge Challenger is a muscle car, meaning it’s designed to be powerful and exciting to drive. It has a bold, old-school look that newer models try to keep. The podcast mentions it because the shape and styling remind people of earlier Challengers.
The Dodge Challenger is a classic American muscle car that focuses on big power, a dramatic look, and a comfortable ride. The podcast compares its styling to older Challengers, highlighting how the modern car keeps the same visual identity. That’s why it comes up in enthusiast conversations: it’s both recognizable and performance-oriented.
68 to 70 charger
"This looks like a modernized version of the 68 to 70 charger. Yeah, basically, right? Is that the right years?"
The host says the modern Charger looks like a modernized version of the 1968–1970 Dodge Charger. That’s a specific styling era of the classic muscle-car look, and it helps listeners understand what design cues the new car is borrowing.
American GT coupe
"I was like, Oh, this is it's going to be we're doing the desert 600... It's like 1600 miles. I was like, this this is a big American GT coupe."
They describe it as an “American GT coupe,” meaning a car meant for comfortable long-distance driving with some performance. The trip they describe is basically the kind of use case GT cars are built for.
Calling it an “American GT coupe” frames the Charger as a grand-touring-style car: comfortable for long distances while still delivering performance. The host’s 1600-mile trip description supports that idea—emphasizing highway cruising and sustained speed rather than just track driving.
twin turbo six
"so I was like, give me some relax shit. It's got the twin turbo six. I thought that would be an interesting thing to experience."
It means the car has a six-cylinder engine with two turbochargers. Turbos help the engine make more power by forcing extra air into the cylinders.
“Twin turbo six” refers to a turbocharged inline-six engine using two turbochargers. Using two turbos can help reduce turbo lag and improve power delivery across a wider range of engine speeds.
Volkswagen Golf
"...kend bags. No problem for people and four sets of golf clubs. No problem. Like that's pretty unique in ..."
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car that’s meant for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it because it can fit normal things like golf clubs without being a big vehicle. It’s popular because it’s practical but still fun to drive.
The Volkswagen Golf is a compact car known for being practical while still offering an enthusiast-friendly driving experience. In the episode it’s mentioned in a “golf clubs” practicality context, which points to its everyday usability. That combination—daily comfort plus driving feel—is why the Golf often shows up in car discussions.
hatchback
"it doesn't look like it, but it's a hatchback. The whole rear window opens... they hide the seam is like hidden on the glass."
A hatchback is a car where the back opens like a door that lifts up, so loading stuff is easier. They’re saying this one hides that hatch design really well.
A hatchback is a body style where the rear cargo area is accessed via a door that lifts upward, often including the rear window. In this case, the hosts say the whole rear window opens, and the hatch seam is hidden for a cleaner look.
practical long range car
"So I mean, it's it's actually like as a practical long range car, not back. Okay. And and over that entire entire drive, I average like 19 miles per gallon..."
They’re basically saying this car works for long trips. It’s not just a pretty coupe—it has enough space and convenience to be useful.
The hosts are framing the car as a “practical long range car,” meaning it balances comfort, usable rear space, and cargo access with real-world drivability over distance. This is a concept of using a coupe-like body for everyday utility rather than treating it as a pure style/track machine.
miles per gallon
"And over that entire entire drive, I average like 19 miles per gallon, which for a 4,800 pound car... Not a hybrid."
Miles per gallon (MPG) is a measure of fuel efficiency—how far the car can travel on one gallon of fuel. The hosts cite an average MPG figure to evaluate how reasonable the car is for long-distance driving despite its weight and lack of hybrid assistance.
4,800 pound car
"I average like 19 miles per gallon, which for a 4,800 pound car, 4,800. Damn, not a hybrid."
They’re pointing out the car is pretty heavy. Heavier cars usually use more gas, so getting decent MPG in a heavy car is notable.
The hosts call out the car’s curb weight (about 4,800 pounds) to contextualize its fuel economy and performance expectations. Heavier vehicles typically require more energy to accelerate and maintain speed, which can hurt efficiency unless the powertrain is well-matched.
all wheel drive
"Gas powered. Yeah, front engine. It is all wheel drive. It's all wheel drive."
All-wheel drive means power goes to all four tires. That can help the car grip better and feel more stable, especially when the road is slippery.
All-wheel drive (AWD) sends power to all four wheels to improve traction and stability, especially in low-grip conditions. The hosts mention it alongside fuel economy and engine layout to characterize how the car behaves as a long-range, practical option.
front engine
"Gas powered. Yeah, front engine. It is all wheel drive."
Front engine just means the engine sits up front in the car. It’s a common layout and helps explain how the car is packaged and driven.
“Front engine” means the engine is mounted at the front of the vehicle, typically driving the front wheels or feeding a drivetrain for AWD. The hosts mention it to describe the car’s layout while discussing how it still manages efficiency and practicality.
heated and cooled seats
"It also has comfortable seats. In general, it is it is a comfortable place to spend time in in any seat, you know, heated and cooled seats with a nicely adjustable lumbar and"
Some cars can warm your seat up and also cool it down. That means you’re comfortable whether it’s cold or hot outside, especially on longer trips.
The car has both heated and cooled seat functions, which use temperature-controlled heating elements and a ventilation system. This helps maintain comfort across seasons and can reduce fatigue on long drives.
adjustable lumbar
"...heated and cooled seats with a nicely adjustable lumbar and maybe not as substantial as Porsche, but like an extendable thigh bolster like"
Lumbar support is the part of the seat that supports your lower back. If it’s adjustable, you can set it so your back feels better and you don’t get sore as fast.
Adjustable lumbar support lets you change how much support the lower back gets. It’s meant to improve posture and comfort, especially during highway driving.
extendable thigh bolster
"...maybe not as substantial as Porsche, but like an extendable thigh bolster like not bad. Not bad. Body. Body does not hurt."
The thigh bolster is the part of the seat that supports your upper legs. If it extends, it can help you feel more held in and comfortable, especially when driving for a while.
An extendable thigh bolster is a seat feature that moves to better support the upper legs. It can improve comfort and reduce fatigue by keeping your body positioned during acceleration and cornering.
Porsche
"...maybe not as substantial as Porsche, but like an extendable thigh bolster like not bad."
They mention Porsche because Porsche seats are often praised for good support. The host is comparing how comfortable the seats feel versus what they associate with Porsche.
Porsche is referenced as a benchmark for seat support quality, specifically comparing the host’s perceived lumbar/bolster comfort. It’s a brand known for well-bolstered sports seats in many models.
BMW M3
"I thought it sounded worse than an M3 competition until the very last fuel stop on the way home when an M3 competition pulled up next to me at the gas station."
The BMW M3 Competition is a high-performance BMW. The host is using it like a “sound benchmark” to judge whether the car he’s reviewing sounds good or not.
The BMW M3 Competition is a performance version of the M3, known for a strong engine and aggressive exhaust note. In this segment, it’s used as a reference point for how the other car’s sound compares.
dual exhaust
"...They are actually very similar sounding. Yeah, the whole time quite exhaust in the back as dual exhaust. Okay."
Dual exhaust means the car has two exhaust outlets instead of one. It can change the sound you hear from the engine and how the exhaust note “echoes” outside.
Dual exhaust means there are two exhaust outlets (typically one on each side) rather than a single system. The layout can affect how the engine note is tuned and how exhaust pulses reach the tailpipes.
inline six
"...I was trying to think of all the really good sounding in lines. I was like, why there's an inline six. It's not a V. It sounded like a fucking droney VQ. It droned."
An inline six is an engine with six cylinders in a straight line. People like them because they can run smoothly, but the exhaust setup can still make the sound annoying at certain speeds.
An inline six (I6) is an engine with six cylinders arranged in a single straight line. Inline-sixes are often praised for smoothness and character, but exhaust and intake tuning can still create drone or “droney” resonance.
drone
"...it droned. And I was like, what is wrong? Why does this drone and to their credit, it makes good power. It makes good torque. And if you keep it up high in the revs... But on the highway, drone, really?"
Drone is that annoying, steady “hum” or “buzz” you hear when you’re driving at a constant speed. It’s not usually the loudest part of the exhaust—just the most irritating.
Exhaust drone is a low-frequency, resonant sound that becomes especially noticeable at steady speeds, often on the highway. It can be caused by exhaust design, muffler tuning, and how sound reflects in the cabin.
Toyota Supra
"...the skylines, the RB, the Supras, the JZs and and and BMWs for the most part, right?"
They’re saying the Toyota Supra is one of the inline-six cars that sounds good. The point is that some engine/exhaust combinations just have a better note.
The host groups the Toyota Supra among the best-sounding inline-sixes, referencing its reputation for strong engine character. Depending on generation, the Supra’s engine family and exhaust tuning can strongly influence how it sounds.
RB
"...are going to be like this, the skylines, the RB, the Supras, the JZs and and and BMWs for the most part, right?"
“RB” is Nissan’s engine family that a lot of Skyline fans talk about. The host is basically saying those engines tend to sound great compared to the car he’s reviewing.
“RB” refers to Nissan’s RB-series inline-six engines (commonly associated with models like the Skyline). The host is using RB engines as an example of inline-six sound quality, implying exhaust note and tuning play a big role.
Nissan Skylines
"The best sounding inline six is that you know, yeah, are going to be like this, the skylines, the RB, the Supras, the JZs and and and BMWs for the most part, right?"
They’re saying Skylines are some of the best-sounding inline-six cars. The idea is that the engine/exhaust setup can make the sound more pleasing instead of droning.
The host mentions Nissan Skylines as an example of a “best sounding” inline-six. Many Skyline variants (especially performance models) are known for distinctive exhaust character, often tied to their engine and exhaust tuning.
JZs
"...the RB, the Supras, the JZs and and and BMWs for the most part, right?"
“JZ” is Toyota’s inline-six engine family. The host is saying these engines are known for a great-sounding exhaust note.
“JZ” refers to Toyota’s JZ-series inline-six engines (most famously the 2JZ/1JZ families). The host uses JZ engines as another example of inline-six sound that’s often considered more satisfying than what he’s hearing here.
one into two
"The ones that don't sound so great. Now, I haven't I don't know, does a new M3 have a one into two?"
“One into two” means the exhaust starts as one path and then splits into two. That split can change the exhaust sound and how it resonates while driving.
“One into two” describes an exhaust routing where a single pipe splits into two outlets. Exhaust split design can change pulse timing and how the sound travels, which may affect whether the car drones or sounds better at certain RPM.
headers
"Or is a new M3 a dual exhaust? I suspect you think the headers are two sets of three or is it one set?"
Headers are the exhaust manifolds that collect exhaust gases from the engine’s cylinders and route them into the exhaust system. The way headers are split (e.g., “two sets of three” on a six-cylinder) influences exhaust pulse timing and can change sound and performance.
overdamped / over sprung and over damped
"So it's probably overdamped. So it's over sprung and over damped to compensate. And it just it's got stiff springs."
If the suspension is “overdamped,” it’s like the shocks are too tight and don’t let the wheels move smoothly. That can make the ride feel stiff and can also hurt how well the car grips over uneven roads.
Overdamped suspension behavior happens when damping is too stiff relative to the spring rate, preventing the suspension from moving smoothly over bumps. The speaker argues the car is “over sprung and over damped” to compensate for its weight, which can lead to a harsh, less compliant ride and mediocre handling.
adaptive shocks
"...it probably has a very squishy ride, right for highway, the highway touring car. It rides like it's on cut springs. ... It does not have adaptive shocks."
Adaptive shocks are suspension parts that automatically get softer or firmer depending on the road. If a car doesn’t have them, it can feel either too bouncy or too stiff, depending on the situation.
Adaptive shocks (adaptive dampers) automatically change damping stiffness based on driving conditions. Without them, a car may struggle to balance ride comfort and handling—especially if it’s heavy—because the suspension can’t “tune itself” on the fly.
no man's land
"...without an adaptive shock, when your car is that heavy, you're going to end up in no man's land and it doesn't ride that well."
They mean the suspension can’t find the right balance. It ends up neither comfortable nor sporty, because the shocks can’t adjust to different road conditions.
“No man’s land” is a colloquial way to describe a suspension compromise where the car can’t simultaneously deliver good ride comfort and strong handling. In this context, the speaker suggests the setup falls into a middle ground because the car lacks adaptive damping.
control arms
"...You can have like crazy long control arms. Yeah, I think well, that's the answer."
Control arms are the parts that connect the wheels to the suspension. Longer or better-shaped control arms can help the wheels move in a more controlled way over bumps.
Control arms are suspension linkages that locate the wheels and control their motion through bumps and steering inputs. The speaker suggests Lucid can use “crazy long control arms,” which can improve suspension geometry and ride/handling without relying on adaptive shocks.
exhaust manifolds
"but so the BMW engine because it's twin turbo does have two exhaust manifolds. It looks like there's two sets of three that each one goes to a turbo that makes sense."
An exhaust manifold is the part that gathers exhaust gas from the engine cylinders and sends it onward. On turbo cars, manifold shape and routing can affect both performance and the way the car sounds.
Exhaust manifolds collect exhaust gases from the engine cylinders and route them to the turbochargers (or exhaust system). With twin-turbo engines, manifold design often determines how exhaust pulses reach each turbo, which can influence sound quality.
Charger 392
"Okay. Well, is this, is this replacing like the Charger 392? Is that what it's supposed to replace? Or is it just like the regular RT?"
The “392” is a performance Charger V8. The host is basically asking if the new model is supposed to take over for the Charger 392’s performance identity.
“Charger 392” refers to the Dodge Charger powered by a 392 cubic-inch V8 (commonly associated with the Scat Pack/392-era performance variants). The host is questioning whether a newer Charger model is meant to replace that more serious performance role.
GT car
"Because it may not be aimed at being a serious performance car. I mean, it's like, now, but the problem there is that if it's not a serious performance car, then it seems like it should be aimed directly at good GT car."
A “GT” is a car meant for comfortable long drives—more relaxing than track-focused. The host is saying the car feels like it’s trying to be something in-between, and that’s the problem.
A “GT car” (grand tourer) is typically designed for long-distance comfort and effortless cruising, often with strong performance but a focus on refinement. The host is arguing that if the car isn’t a serious performance car, it should target the GT audience instead.
Genesis GV60
"And I got the new Genesis GV60, which is the small electric crossover. Like it's about the same price as this."
The Genesis GV60 is an electric crossover. The host is saying that, for about the same money, it feels better in the ways that matter—comfort, interior feel, and how quickly it moves.
The Genesis GV60 is a compact electric crossover, and the host compares it directly to the car they rented earlier. They’re using the GV60 as a benchmark for interior quality, ride comfort, and acceleration at a similar price point.
Carplay
"the ride doesn't sound great. Carplay was glitchy that I send you the little video, the video, the flashing, I'm going to put it on my Instagram review, but it, carplay was glitchy a little bit."
CarPlay is a way to connect your iPhone to the car’s screen. If it’s glitchy, the connection or the display can act weird, like freezing or flashing.
CarPlay is Apple’s in-car interface that lets you use your iPhone through the car’s infotainment screen. When it’s described as “glitchy,” it usually means the connection or software display has lag, disconnects, or visual glitches.
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