Driving the 1,250HP Czinger 21C VMax

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that's some fighter plane shit. That's a new thing. It is extremely rare to

really get to try the new thing. And I think I think all of a sudden I realize

that at this, what, what, like, okay, when I went to the sphere to see you two, that was like my

moment of being like, there is a good use for this technology, like all this fucking processing power

and stuff, like, it really seemed like we, the consumer were getting bled dry by all this. But then I saw

this and I was like, oh, at least there's one like great use for this. And like, all these, like,

really expensive crazy hypercars are beautiful and interesting, but they're ultimately like upleveled

versions of like the normal, quote, supercars, right? It's like sort of the same formula, just like,

more of, of, of something.

One of them purpose. Okay. This one, I was like, oh, this is, this is some new shit right here. Like,

this is a different type of vehicle entirely. And I don't, I've never really driven anything like it

at all. And that made it very, very exciting. Well, it's very rare to have a single set, sorry,

center seat. You know, there's, there's speed tail. There's the other McLaren. Right. And then

there's BAC mono. But that's a rare configuration. But then also the construction of this is rare.

Yeah. Well, even the center drive car, like, is, like even the T50 is, is constructed with

roughly the same kind of footprint, like a speed tail or a T50 has roughly the same type of footprint

as if the two people, if it was two people next to each other, but they've made it three people,

which was efficient and cool and fucking awesome. This is designed from the ground up to be fighter jet.

Yeah. And like, that's what you get fighter jet. Like the first time I drove a Conex egg and

got in it and had this windshield that wrapped past my 180. Yeah. And it eliminated the a pillars.

I was like, oh, this is different. This, I don't have to be going fast. This immediately is different.

This is like, oh, this is even, this is the most different. Well, from the moment you see it,

it's different. And then you get in, close the door. It's different. Yeah. And I think to your

point, so many super cars, hypercars are iterations, some impressive, some just fine, of essentially

the same idea that began with, you know, the, the Dino, you know, mid engine car, two people

sitting next to each other. It was mirror first or Dino. Oh, damn it. First mid engine. Yeah.

You have to go back pretty far for first. Well, that's true. Two 50 LM, yeah, but ever race cars

think they're versions of that and they're very special and cool, but like this just does feel

like a very different step, different trail. And then the execution is also good. Yeah. And

that is, you know, you can have one, but it's hard to have both. Yeah. So hats off. And like,

they made their own engine. And that engine is insane. But also maybe the smoothest engine I've

ever felt. Yeah. Can we talk about it? Why does it feel like a straight eight in terms of,

there's no vibration in the whole car? But I mean, it's a V8. It's very, very tiny V8. It's a small V8,

2.88 twin turbo, makes 950 horsepower. And then it has another 300 horsepower of e motors to in

the front, one in the in the trans in the flywheel. But the engine, when you rev it, you can feel the

little, the little fizzies of a revving engine through your hands. But you don't feel anything

through the chassis. Yeah. Like if you drive like any other engine that makes a whole, any other car

that means a whole bunch of power, and you put in neutral and go, like you can feel that in the

chassis. You don't just hear it. With this car, you don't weird. That's really weird and really

cool and different. It's overbore and over square has a short stroke and a big bore and a small

displacement. It's a flat plain crank. Presumably, these are like, you know, hand-built, balanced,

and blueprinted perfection type engines. I don't know the name of, they said the company that

that actually builds them. They designed them. Yeah. Zinger designs them and there's a company,

the company New Zealand that builds them. And one of our friends today told me that Ed Pink also

does some work from this engine, which would make sense. Legendary name. It's also unlike

other engines. Yeah. Yeah. If you said that this is a fully electric car that has a soundtrack

of a tiny, made up little engine, I believe you. Sure. Because it's so smooth, it's so fast.

It's honestly so quiet. Yeah. Too quiet. But look, they had to get past emissions and all the other

things. Well, and small twin turbo engines are just not going to be that loud. I mean, it is a very

pleasant sound. There's probably a way to make it louder if you want, but things. The exhaust isn't

very loud. Yeah. I mean, the exhaust is only, you know, 18 inches long. It's pretty rad. It's

pretty rad. Yeah. It's bananas. And so, and I don't know if the engine would work without the e-motors

because that's this type of engine is a top-end engine, very top-end. That this type of design.

If it was a torque engine, it would be a longer stroke. This is an engine that's for, it goes

to 11,000. Yeah. I got it to 10, 750. And I ran it because I ran it at room. In the low gears,

it shifts up automatically in the first two gears because otherwise you'd have fucking problems.

Timing it would be very difficult. Yeah. Yeah. It's too fast. You have to do it automatically.

And then in third, I tried to get it to 11 and I ran out of room at 10, 750. And I've,

I didn't, I can't believe I didn't say it in the camera. I only thought of it later.

I think that's the first time I've personally revved an internal combustion engine past 10.

Motorcycles? I have very little experience with four cylinder motorcycles.

Almost all the motorcycles I've ever ridden have been twin or single or something like that.

So I do not have a lot of four-cylinder engine experience with motorcycles. Let's get you in R1.

I probably have revved a bike past 10, but it doesn't come to mind at the moment.

This is definitely the only time I've ever revved a car past 10, which is a fun thing to say.

But it's, it's not very useful, but it does mean that when you're at seven,

you can downshift, which is why.

Well, when you were driving, when I was riding behind you, you were calling out the RPMs you were

shifting at, which is really funny. But I think what you were saying is, I'm shifting now,

we're going really fast and I'm not even close to red line. You were like, that was only nine and a

half or that was eight and a half. No, most, I mean, you can't, this car makes 1250 horsepower

and a fuckload of torque. And it has the crazy torque vectoring at the e-motors of the front.

And it's a very sharp steering rack and my, actually, my elbows and forearms are pretty toasted

from driving this thing all day. It's, you have to manhandle it. It's not,

this thing is so fucking wet, it's great. It's so not for amateur.

It is as serious as it looks. Do not underestimate this car. They've done nothing. I mean,

it's smooth. They've done some things. But like, it's, it's, it's you out there. Well,

compare it. So you've driven, you've driven Bugatti Sherone. That's the easiest right. So what about

that is easier than this? Like suspension steering racks very much like a normal car. The Bugatti.

Yes, it's the, it's the best, it's the best normal car in the world. Like, I don't want to like

insult, you know, Mate or anybody at Bugatti, but like, they know what I mean. Like the

corporateness of Bugatti means it has to be done in a, in a certain way. So that like, like,

what I guarantee you, one of the missions of Bugatti is that literally anybody can get in one

and turn it and be able, turn it on and be able to drive it like that. No training. Like, I

guarantee you that's part of the Volkswagen AG thing, right? Like this isn't that. You know,

you have to be taught some shit and you have to like, it doesn't work like a regular car.

It's like a kind of different type of driving. You know what I mean? Like, it's,

it's just, it's just a very extreme way to deliver power and performance. And although it's got

you know, traction and stability control and all that stuff. Like the, the, the paint, the speed

you can be going probably can overwhelm the breaking performance of the car. Not like

in a bad, it's like, you could have a really big crash. Well, I mean, it's not, it's more

a lot more crashable than a Bugatti. Oh, interesting. Okay. I feel like, because they're both

extremely fast. And if you dip into the pedal too far in either one, you will overwhelm the breaks

and the tires. No problem. Yeah. This, this doesn't have like an active air break, for instance. So

it has some interesting behaviors when you go from full throttle to full braking and you kind of

have to hang on. It's, and this isn't like a terrible thing. It just is a thing this one. And

this, the one we drove is called the VMAX. You know, there aren't a lot of these around. So they

didn't have the, the blackbird, which is the high down force car. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. That's the,

yeah. So this was a no wing car. So the wing is functional. And I mean, it's an air, you know,

aerodynamics is linear. So you are getting very real use of those aerodynamic advantages in those

other cars. But this is just a really nasty thing. The power to weight is crazy. The central

driving position is crazy. The steering ratio is crazy. Bugatti would never put a steering ratio

this fast in a car. This is more like a formula car type steering ratio. This is like the,

if the BAC mono was like good. Like, if it was that, this is, this is the, the, the, the, the,

the sheer own of BAC mono's. You know, if you want that sort of formula car type experience,

this has a really comfortable seat, lots of room. I, I drove this thing comfortably all day long.

Like, it really is, it doesn't look yet. It looks claustrophobic, but it's not when you're in there.

In the back, it is claustrophobic. But yes. But in the front, it's not. It's not. You,

I could drive it for hours. And it would be just fine. Well, because you have, I mean, the roof

above you, it feels, it feels incredibly open. It feels like, you know, those clear submarines that

they used to do it, like, I don't know, see World or whatever, where it's, you go 10 feet down,

but you can see everything. Yeah. It feels like that. The whole world is very open to you. And

then you have the huge, like, pontoon fenders. And so it just feels like visibility is amazing. Pretty

good, except for straight behind you. Yes. Correct. You can't see anything straight behind you.

Yeah. Which is actually funny, because I, which bothers me less than it should, because, you

know, what else you can't see straight behind you? The Mires makes. So I've really, I'm really primed

for that type of driving with this car. But because of the, the fighter jet type seating position,

the car itself is actually quite narrow. It's probably no wider than a Miata. And so you,

and you could actually look that up, but it's, it feels very narrow on the road, unlike any,

any other car that has over a thousand horsepower, all of them, they're big, right? There's no other,

like small cars with this kind of power. They're all big. And so if you come out on a canyon road

with a revuelto or a Bugatti or something, any road will start to feel pretty small, pretty quick.

None of them have a small footprint. Now I hear the, the, was that right? No, it's a foot wider than

Miata. Is it a foot wider than Miata? It says, uh, quick looks as it's 80 inches wide that happened

after an update in 2021. I can't see real quick if that is with or without mirrors, but a Miata is

68 inches wide 68 inches without mirrors on a Miata. Well, I'll tell you what, you fooled me.

Sorry, I got that fact wrong, but you fucking, you know, you've fooled me. It drives narrow.

It drives like a narrow car, which I thought it was very easy to place in the lane and to move

around in the lane. Um, it rides a little firm. I thought, because it's not very heavy, it's under

3500 pounds. I didn't get an exact weight yet, but it's under 3500. I thought it would have

ridden a little better. It was a little stiff. What was it? 29 dry. Right. Yeah. But like, I don't know

if there's some, I don't think they're doing trickery there. I hope dry. It's got a four kilowatt hour

battery pack. Dry must include the battery pack and just no fluids, right? I hope so. But it also,

I mean, look at the size of those side pod intakes. Like, it must have huge radiators and tons of

fluid. It's probably carrying gallons and gallons of coolant. So we'll get an exact, I mean,

to get an exact weight for one try, we literally drove this thing this morning. I'm not responsible

for facts and figures until next week. I was responsible for not sending the thing off a cliff

today. That was my job. That was the job. Um, but it's just, uh, it's just so different from everything

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rubberized panels, but that have button there. I thought they were great. I thought they're fine.

They did the quality of the buttons and they've got the Scroly wheels. They made like 3D printed

little screws because they're 3D printing all this time. Everything. We haven't even talked about

the 3D printing yet, but you can't really see it in this photo. But the way that the air conditioning

vents run inside and along the doors in these thin slits that like hit you as the driver at like

just the right place is pretty slick. It's the vents are almost right before your shoulders.

And we didn't even notice them in the beginning. We thought it was like a speaker or whatever.

We're just some texturing. And then you learned it was like, oh, that's actually the AC. It

blows like a cross your chest. Yeah. And probably really helps cool you down. It moves the air

around super cool. And I'll tell you what, when you drive with the windows down, which I did for

most of the day, other than doing my in-car talking, I drove with the windows down for most of the day.

When you drive with the windows down, there's no buffeting at any speed. You know, you and I had

a conversation with the windows down. Yeah. I could drive. It was not tiring at all. You could

listen to, I didn't try to listen to music. It does have a radio. I don't want to say definitively

that you could listen to the windows down, but based on everything else, I'm very confident that you

could listen to music with the windows down. No problem. And it was a really, really pleasant

experience with the glass up top and overhead and the side windows down like that's fucking proper.

And they're big windows. They go like all the way to the back. Yeah, it's all pillarless.

One giant window for both seats. Okay, super cool. The 3D printing, because that's really what

the thing is, right? And when people hear about this car, the first thing they say to me is, oh,

that's a 3D printed car, right? Which is sort of like yes and no. Many components of this car are

3D printed. So this car is a division of a company called Divergent 3D, which was started by a

guy named Kevin Zinger, who we interviewed 10, 11 years ago. And I said at the time, I was like,

this guy's either like a super, super genius or a complete lunatic. And now that we've driven the

car, we know which one he was. And so he started this company to do a re-invent assembly factories,

basically looking at the waste that comes from manufacturing. And waste in their terms is stuff like

the molds for casting or like if you cast something and you have to shave a part off of that cast

or just literally like the tooling, you know, required if the tooling is disposable or if there's

just overuse of stuff or even some of the welding. Yeah, welds, parts that are needlessly

heavy and over strong because they just have to be made a certain way and the cheapest way to do

it is a solid block of iron or something. Right. You know, and so they're able to use additive

manufacturing, better known as 3D printing for a ton of assemblies, sub assemblies to create

structures that are optimally strong, optimally rigid and minimally heavy. And some of these

structures are really amazing. If you just, if you just, Zach, Google like Zinger 3D printed subframe,

they have like a display car that there's lots of photos of. And so their front and rear sub frames

are 3D printed like their suspension arms and knuckles are 3D printed. Yeah, that stuff.

That's, that's the good, that's the good shit right there. They have their, their wheel hubs and

brake, the wheel hub and brake caliper is one piece. It's just like a thing. So that photo that Zach has,

so that structure has, has material exactly where it needs to and is hollow exactly where it needs

to and some of those structures are completely hollow. Some of them have honeycomb inside of them

and it's all like, they don't like have to put an extra ounce of fucking material on the car,

which is really cool. And they can make structures and, and parts of a car that would be otherwise

impossible to forge or cast. And there's certain parts that are like that. Plus they can make stuff that

just looks really cool. Yeah, I mean, all has this like organic stretched sinew kind of look to it,

which is rad. And the only, well, it's visible in the engine bay. The engine bay is one of the coolest

engines. I have an engine bay shot in the, in the instrument post there. And it looks awesome. Like

if people are watching like the control arms right here are, you know, instead of being totally

round tubular or squared off, you know, if people are used to seeing those, this is like a blend

of the two. I mean, if you imagine if you have Plato and you just tried to make like, you know,

two sticks that ran parallel with your hands. Like, it's very organic and kind of thicker in

places, thinner in places. There's little bridges across it because in testing or design or whatever,

they realized, oh, we need some strengthening at this point. Yeah. But not two inches further

down the control arm. So that's, that's what we're talking about when we say we've optimized. Now,

it's interesting about all this. I will, like, because I think the tech is rad and they have obviously

demonstrated that it's very useful in other things. What's funny is if you read their website,

it reads, like, hypey bullshit. You read the website and you go, this all sounds like the

jargonious thing. Like, Sure. AI driven, bleb, bleb, bleb, and you're like, oh, I'm just rolling

my eyes at the whole thing. And then you drive the car and you're like, oh, that's what he meant.

Well, the AI driven thing is, is, is left out of strange because like the Hennessy Venom,

yeah, they famously tout Hennessy does like we put our idea into a computer. We let it design

the shape here is what we got. Yeah. Now, is that AI essentially like, I think we need clear

definitions. John never referred to that as AI. I know he didn't, but I'm saying like the

computer aided design has been around for a long time. I think I'm wondering if that's being

rebranded as AI because it's just a computer is doing thinking for you. I don't know. It possibly,

I don't know either way without an amazing car, the website looks bad. If you, if you then drive

the car, you go, oh, like, this is what they were talking about. But the other thing that's

a little strange to me. And I say this as someone who is a fan of this technology because I think

it looks cool. And it's interesting is that the weight 2900 dry, the F5 is like 2982 dry.

The Pagani utopia is 3100 pounds. I think that's wet. Do you remember what they said when you

drove it? The utopia I think was not quite that. I think that's the dry weight is 3100. So what's

funny is like, when I started typing these numbers in last night, I was like, man, this thing's

in a way, nothing compared to these folks. It's actually really close. Yeah. And they all

have used it somewhere different. How many of those cars have a 4.4 kilowatt hour battery?

Oh, it's a good point. Three electric motors. That's a great point. It's, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So there's so either it goes back in, but it's been taken out from other places. Yeah.

To end up in in the same place. Did not think of that. I mean, this this car did not this one we drove,

but the one with the wing did set five California track records last month in one week.

In five days basically. And the times five days thing is funny because like they made up that

game. Oh, yeah. Of course. It didn't need to be five days. Like they, because I saw the film.

I watched the film and it's a good film. And it's amazing. They literally they said five were like,

that's fucking awesome. And that's really hard. But the part about it that was really hard is

the five days part, which they entirely came up with. Like they didn't have to do that.

I think if you're a company, I think it's great marketing because you go, it's reliable enough

to get the shit kicked out of it five days in a row. Well, now was the engineering team up

all night between each race. I don't know. No, they, yeah, they broke a couple. But the things they

broke, like the car didn't break. Yes. Like they broke it. It's okay. And they still did it.

The car is so fucking fast. Like it did a, this car did a 24 at Laguna. It did.

That's crazy. It was, well, it was 0.36 seconds faster than it's previous record. That was

their hardest challenge. That was the one where, where I think his name's Joel really had to push

because he was the, some of the other ones, the records that he beat were big. They were very big.

Like the, the described the difference was big. He beat, he beat the record at thermal club by

like 10 seconds. 10.33 seconds at Willow Springs. It was one and a half. Coda, they were like the

first one to run it. So they more like set the record. But, um, no, Coda wasn't on the,

on the five and five. They did. That's right. Oh, California. But they beat the Coda record,

which is yet the five by point two. Um, but the previous production record at Laguna was the

McLaren Senna. Yeah. And it was 127.8. So they beat that by three seconds. Yeah. That's a lot.

It's a lot of Laguna. Yeah. This is, this is possibly the fastest car I've ever driven.

Likely. Yeah. In fact, it's this versus in celebration, the Navarra. Uh, I think in a drag race,

I think the Navarra still wins. But like, man, this is the thing. This, this car is where I'm like,

I've been, I've been sour on the hypercars. I've been overwhelmed by the hypercars. And they're,

they're all cool. You know, they're all fun to drive. But like, uh, this, this is the one,

I'm finally like, Oh, man, this for, for that kind of money, I could, I could see this being a

just completely different experience from all 20 of the other fucking cars in your garage.

Sure. Whereas most of the other, quote, hypercars are only a incremental improvement over,

you know, over those type of cars during the same type of driving, especially when they're all

going for records. Like I think T 50 is a departure because it's focused on driving,

the B road stuff like that. Sure. But when they're all chasing faster and faster times, I mean,

look, they're, they're going to end up at a similar solution if they're side by side seated

mid-engine cars. Like, this is like F one. Yeah. One has rules. They're like, Oh, they can do

everything they want. Well, there's only so many ways to go on a track that fast. And these cars

have different personalities. I'm not trying to be shitty on them. I just like, they're,

most of them are the same formula as what you can get for a lot less money. Just turned way up.

This is wholly different from that. And most of it is unavailable in any kind of approximation

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and whatever, but like that's not this. Of course, you have to wear a helmet. You are a single person.

You have no protection from the elements. And to get close to this when I was looking up the

lap times, all of the lap times it was running, its neighbors for those times were like DPO 3

Daytona cars. All of like faster and slower in that they're all of their neighbors are full race

cars. So that's how you have to get close to this. Yeah, crazy. It's so fast, but it's also pretty

fun when you're not going very fast. I mean, whether you're going fast or whether you're going slow,

this is not normal. But other than one like very nothing oopsie with the car where the light came on

and it required a reset like other than that like worked all day hot doing our filming stuff like

worked exactly as advertised. And it's a real dude. I was flipping through the menus like

it's got car play like it's got the age the HVAC works just fine like it was a screen easy to read

in all conditions. Yeah, I drove it for five minutes, but it was like mostly shaded where it was.

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But the polarized there is some, if you I think one of the pictures kind of shows it, but

maybe the one just looking forward. Yeah, you can't really. There's a little bit of reflections. It's

not that bad. Polarized glasses made a big difference. The windshield is not glass. It's

less weird. It's a Lexan like polycarbonate material, which they say was very difficult to get

that through DOT. Yeah. But god damn, what a fucking thing. It moves through the air unlike any car

we filmed, meaning when I'm filming the drive-by, as you're coming past me at speed. And

most cars have two sounds. There's exhaust sound first. If it's really loud, you know,

ZR1 or something. And then there's stuff like Porsche turbos or some of the McLaren's where I hear

air and tire first. It's just and like the sound of tires and then you go by and I hear the exhaust.

This thing was really, really, really strangely quiet moving through the air until you were like

40 feet from me. And then all of a sudden it was like, and it was like, it was like getting punched

with the air. But and then the moment was over and then you were gone. I asked the guy, the marketing

guy didn't know what the coefficient of drag was. I'm very curious. This is the VMAX. It's obviously

the top speed one. I'm curious if it's like 0.24. Would it, would it must be to just move through

so quietly? That's so interesting. Yeah, it was weird. It's cool. It's like it was very stealthy.

Yeah, I haven't got to listen to them. You're stealthy. Yeah, polite whipping.

Mildly. It's good in the car. I mean, it's not loud, but it's a very pleasant sound. It's cool.

It's just and I think because it's because it's a tandem and because it's a small engine,

it's pretty far away from you behind you. Everything is happening far behind you as the driver.

The engine's way back there. The exhaust is behind it. So I mean, you're getting pleasant sounds

for sure in the cabin, but it's not that loud and it's so smooth. That powertrain. God,

fucking damn it. It's awesome. How was the suspension? A little firmer than I'd like, ideally,

but I certainly, given the performance of the car, would absolutely not complain about it at all.

I feel like that's one of this because I rode in the Sherone and I drove this briefly and I'm driving

and I go, I'm mode of mind. He goes, you're a normal one. It felt stiffer than I expected.

Whereas the Sherone, maybe it's the weight or maybe it's just the clever suspension. It

damps a lot of that stuff better because it's trying to be almost this S8. It's like three S8

shoved into one, but that's kind of like the attitude of it. Yeah, there's supposed to be

civil. This doesn't need to be civil. This needs, this is supposed to be crazy. It is crazy.

But I think it's also more tame. Well, you should speak to this like versus SSE.

Both had quick steering rack, but this had seemed like less dive under braking.

No, the SSE is riding a bull. This, this, oh, the other thing I, we didn't even mention is

this car taught me that an e-motor in the flywheel solves the single clutch problem because

this drives like a dual clutch even though it's a single clutch. Because it has the e-motor

to fill the torque during those exact moments where the single clutch is weakest, which is

at the 40 to 80% throttle position type shift. I drove this thing at first and I was like, wait,

is this a dual clutch? No, no, no, it's a single clutch, but the e-motor fills it and I was like,

oh, wow, that's really good. That's crazy. It's totally refined. And the shift, the paddle action

is wonderful. The click is so good. The paddles themselves are out of another car and I can't

figure out what it is. It's driving me nuts. That pull up the picture. That is surprising.

No, they are. They're out because they can make all the things. I don't know. Well, but I really

think you really can't see them. The design, I really think they're out of another car.

They look very familiar. It would be pretty much the only thing that's out of another car,

but I think it is. I love to ask them. I love to ask them. It wouldn't be the end of the world.

They feel very nice, but I just, it's getting me. I look at that shape and it's getting me

what that is shared with or very similar to at least. I think this is cool because it's

at this point, I've had this job a long time, so have you?

I think we do get a bit jaded about some of the hypercars and also they just felt like

very similar iterations that we're just trying to be sold to the same group of people.

This being a new departure, I was excited all day. I didn't drive in the canyons.

I had a great time this morning. I was like, this thing is so cool to look at and be around.

I was excited just to be in its presence, and that hasn't happened around hypercars in a long time.

Yeah, it looks like an alien. It looks like a spaceship. It sounds like a spaceship,

and it's such a new thought on stuff. The SSC was a crazy, exciting day because I was like,

I can't believe I'm driving this thing that I have loved the shape of since it debuted.

But it's also at 1700 horsepower, which was kind of crazy. But it felt like, I don't know,

like, all right, this is a version of a song we've heard before.

And then this thing, I was like, this has a whole bunch of new thoughts in it.

It also makes sounds I've never heard a car make, which is very cool.

I don't think the sounds of the emotors are muffled at all. I think you're hearing authentic

emotors sounds and it makes a whole bunch of fucking crazy sounds that aren't they're fun and

pleasant. I just I haven't heard them before. It's really interesting. Fucking nuts.

It's so good to look at. Anyone who buys one of these don't get it in black because this has

so much wonderful curve and little creases and it's like there's some subtleties to the design

and then there are some things that are not subtle about the design, of course. But all of it

should be shown in like a metallic color because when the sun hits this regardless of time of day,

dude, there's so much to look at. We've got a light blue or a venturine. These intakes are insane.

Ingress egress is hard. Like, be prepared for that if you're if you're not a relatively

athletic or committed person. I probably did see 25. It's pretty bad.

The backseat is bad. Like, I was talking to Thaddeus. The passengers feet need like platforms

or stirrups for like and not even as a joke, you know, like a kind of college joke. Like,

because that's for your feet. I need something to put my feet against because we're going really

fast because for people, I didn't know this until I walked up to the car today and I'm starting to

film and I look in the back and I went, I saw that there was three inches of distance between the

bottom of the passenger seat and your seat back. And I thought, maybe that's in that position.

Yeah. But that means I can't sit behind this. You know, this is like Aston.

Oh, what was it then? Repeat. And then I learned, of course, that my leg is going either side

of your chair and press against your seat belt. And that's all right. Need stirrups. Very

exposing. Yeah. Yeah. It is. The backseat is kind of silly, but it's there. It's there. It's

there. You can bring some, once you were in it, then what? Well, it felt cool. Yeah, it was

special. I felt like I was on a motorcycle because when we were in the corners, I was leaning

and looking around you to see where we're going. Yeah. And then I don't know, it felt like

I was in a spaceship. You didn't feel like goose. You were in a fighter plane. Oh, I think we're

right into the corners. So I felt like I was in a motorcycle, but after a while, I could do comms

or handle navigation, but you are concerned about potentially getting motion sickness back there.

I was initially, because I know that riding in the backseat of a car in the canyons is a guaranteed

way to get motion sickness, especially if you can't see out the windshield. You know, so if all I

saw was the back of your head and seat, and I literally was basically flying blind, I'm sure I

get sick in five seconds. So that's part of why I was leaning around you to see what was coming

up next. Did you look at the metaglasses videos? I haven't looked at it yet, but it would probably

need to be kind of cool. Yeah. A lot can change with your view driving the car. It's very important.

And being in a fighter plane canopy is pretty different and awesome, especially you know, you think

it's going to be more claustrophobic than it is, but when you really, when you open the windows,

then it's like amazing. Yeah. So we've got video. I'm writing a story for Road and Track as well,

and we just gave the whole thing away. But you have to see it. You have to see it in motion and

it's fucking crazy. That's good. But I just did four days in a 9-11 career S, drove all over

the south for we were scouting. We've got an event coming called, there's that Porsche.

Called the Blue Ridge Ramble, there it is, which you can sign up for experiences.roadandtrack.com,

start to the PEC in Atlanta, where we have actually a day at the PEC. You get to rip Porsche's on the track,

which is fabulous. We then drive out to a Chateau Elan, the winery out in Brazeltin, and then we have

a track day at Atlanta Motorsports Park in your own cars. And then we go up the Cherhala Skyway

to Topoco Lodge in the middle, which is right in between the Skyway and tail the dragon,

stay there. It's amazing. It's on this river. Tail the dragon to Knoxville, bourbon tasting,

and then the good roads to Nashville and end at the Lane Motor Museum. It's going to be a

fucking amazing event. So I scouted it in this 9-11 career S. This career S, it's like, these are,

you know, all 9-11s are kind of the same and also very different, right? And I really think I chose

very wisely for this. I think that the career S is the best road tripping 9-11. And probably the

best for every day as well. Unless you want to drive stick and a career T, I totally get that.

But like for every day and for a road trip, it has a really compliance suspension, but in the sport

mode it tightens up really nice. It's got a bunch of power. It's 473 horsepower, it's really fast

car. The rear-wheel drive one has fabulous steering at the front. It's really good. It had P-Zero's

on it. I did tail the dragon in a fucking monsoon. And I had so much fun. I got, I had to put the

trash control in sport and I would get like a degree or two here and there, but that car, these cars

are great in the wet. And I have photos, a post-later of the interior had like extended leather 18

ways and it was full red. It was this Arctic silver over full red, which was pretty similar to that.

Yeah, but I did like 950 miles in four days, mostly back roads. That's 950, that's all, that's

driving. But my body fucking yeah, it's a lot. It was so many miles. But this thing like held on my

stuff comfortable every day, you know, easy to get in and out of just great as a car, just

put everything in comfort, normal comfort, whatever on the highway. And it would be quiet and just

just ride our cruise motor along. And then you fucking turn it all up for, it's so nice.

Did the Zinger have a trunk or a trunk? Did the trunk have a trunk? Okay, I didn't see it.

The what? Does the Zinger have a trunk? Oh, the Zinger? Yeah, I'm just departure, okay. No.

Go back to 911, just like wait a minute. I thought you said the 911, of course. Yeah, great one.

But it was, it was really, really nice. And I ate it in a place called Show, which is a new Sean

Brock pizza restaurant in Nashville. And I had some of the best food imaginable. So good.

Fucking go if you're in Nashville. It's amazing. Look at that pizza. It's amazing. But I have to tell

you a story, Zach, that I wanted to tell you this morning, but I did not. I saved it for you.

I had a, I had an all time customer service experience. And by that, I mean, bad. So I did a lot

of driving in this 911 during this trip. And the very last drive is Monday morning. I have to go

from Nashville to Atlanta to catch a flight home, all right. And I've, I've timed this out.

And I need to be in the car at 615 AM in Nashville. Okay, there's no problem. Now this is a

valet only hotel. It's expensive valet. This is the dream by Hyatt in Nashville downtown.

And the valet company that works there is called PMC parking management.

And so when I park my car, I am an excellent tipper as always. And I talk to the guys,

and I say, listen, guys, I'm here for the night. I have to leave at this time. And they're using

this retrieve your car with the text thing. They get your phone number in the morning. They bring

your car around. Right. So I go there, you know, I got to leave really early in the morning.

Is there any reason that I might need to notify, you know, call the valet longer than normal. No,

it's normal 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Okay, fine. Sure. Yeah.

6 o'clock hit the app. 15 minutes. No problem. Put my shoes on. Whenever I go downstairs,

go for myself a coffee. Go outside. It's like six now, six, 10. There's the valet stand. There's

nobody at it. There's your car in my car. Yeah. 615. Nobody back. Hmm. 616. Nobody back. I pull

up the thing. And it's got a little status bar. And it says request submitted, but it does not

say you're the my cars being retrieved. I go, uh oh, I go inside and I go to the front desk and

I go, Hey man. Uh, is the valet guy outside? Is he getting my car because, you know, he goes, Oh,

we got kind of a thing. I go, what's that? He goes, we're sharing a valet guy with the hotel next

store and overnight guy. Okay. Is he getting my car? And he goes, I don't know. And I go, uh,

oh, can you find out? So he who is not in a rush does what might be insulting, but I think

is appropriate to describe as a waddle to the hotel next store. And then comes back with a sleepy

looking valet guy in a ASU hoodie. And I go, Hey, what's up? And he goes, I go, you can get my

car. He goes, and I go, I'm pointing my phone. I go, the fucking anger. And he like, like,

like stumbles to the valet stand and like looks at the thing he goes, Oh yeah.

Like the phone was in the valet stand. The phone was in the valet stand. There's nobody there. Yeah,

he didn't have the phone. So he goes, all right. This is a portable phone, right?

It's a portable phone. Yeah. Okay. This self. Yeah. Right. So he then walks away because the garage

is not on site. He doesn't run. He walks. Okay. I'm now, I'm now officially late, but I feel like

I can make it up. You know, it's a few minutes. I have a 9.11 and it's very early in the morning.

I can make up a few minutes. That's no problem. And I've given myself an appropriate cushion.

I mean, I have to get there. There's, you know, I can't be too late, but like, you know, the whole

point of getting up fucking early is to be out of the city before traffic and whatever.

I sit down outside of the table and I'm looking at my phone and he's gone. He's gone. He's gone.

Five minutes, six minutes, seven minutes later. Nothing. No car. Now I'm up and I'm pacing.

I've now finished my coffee that was supposed to be my road coffee. Yeah. But now, now you don't

have a car and you're anxious about being late and you've finished. And I'm tired. I've finished

coffee. No, I did. It was DK. All right. It was DK. I'm not that's why you're alive.

No, I'm not that stupid, but I was, but I would believe me at this point, I'm awake. I know. And

I look up. I'm looking because it's a one way street. And so I'm looking down for the car,

looking down every time I see xenon headlights. I'm like, there he is. No, there he is. What the fuck?

Now I look up to my left and the guy standing at the valet stand without my car. And I go, hey,

the fuck. And he goes, we need it. We need to, we need a key. I go, my car key. He goes, no, the key

card to get the car out of the lot. And I go, I'm a fucking, I'm fucking sorry.

Did you just tell me that my car is in an offsite lot and you don't have the key to get it out

of the lot? It's not a hotel. He goes, no, it's not, no. He goes, it's, it's, they, they, they're leasing

like 20 spaces from some fucking apartment building around the corner. And he goes, I go, I go,

I go, hey, what the fuck? And I go inside and I start talking to, I start fucking not yelling,

not literally. And I mean, not young. And I go, hey, and the guy goes, we're, we're working on it.

And I go, you, I told three people that I had to be here at 615. You fucking imprisoned my car

in an offsite lot. What, what the fuck are we doing over here?

Terrible system. I'm like, I'm in the valet business. I never heard any shit like this in my life.

And he goes, all right, well, we're gonna, he goes, well, well, maybe what can one of you come back

over there with me because a security guard wouldn't let him out with the car either. He goes, you

come back with me. And, and I go, Jesus fucking Christ. And I grab my luggage. Right. Now you have

to prove this is your 911. Yeah, which is a press alone car, which is not registered. So I'm now,

I'm like, well, let's fucking go moron. And so now this kid's marked and I go, and I go, I go,

he goes, I go, I can't believe you fucking imprisoned my car right now when I have to go because it's

not like that. I go, tell me how it's not like that. And we're walking. He's quiet for like,

few things like, yeah, it's like that. It is like that. So now learn just how far away this lot is,

this lot is like six blocks away. It's like, it's like criminally far away. I cannot believe

they're running a fucking valet operation from a lot so far away. This is crazy shit. So finally,

it's now 646. I wanted to leave by 615. Mind you, this is a hotel in downtown Nashville. Yeah.

I'm the only car. This is one. It's now, it's now taken me 46 minutes to get or whatever. Yeah,

46 minutes to get one car. Like what if other people were there and wanted car like that two cars

would have completely shut down the whole. So we're marching fucking over there. And as we're

fucking marching, don't say it. No, no, the other guy who's supposed to come in at seven,

the morning guy shows him, hey man, what's going on? The kid goes, the desk kid. No, so the kid

the valet, the overnight kid was obviously like a sleep and a moron and whatever. As soon as he sees

the morning guy walking up the block towards the lot, I guess they like check in at the at the lot,

right? He goes, oh, he can help you and just turns and runs away. No way. Yeah, yeah. Dips.

Just full dips back. And the guy's like, what's up? And I'm like, that guy needs to read extreme

ownership. And I go, I go, I'm sorry. I go, I go, are you here for the seven o'clock? He goes, yeah,

I go, you're taking fire. Come on. Let's go. And as I'm walking him down, I'm telling him what's

having. He's just going, oh, my God. Just, oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's a for real. Oh, my God. I'm so

sorry. I'm sorry. Here's your car. And I go, all right, go up there. And now I'm driving on

fucking it. So the last guy, finally, who was at work 15 minutes early, mind you, you know,

fucking got me in. No fucking thanks to anybody else. So thank you to fucking PMC fucking

parking management, the most epic fucking valley shit show on planet earth, never, ever, ever,

ever, ever park your car with these assholes. What a goddamn nightmare. And they sent me a QC

survey afterwards, which I filled out accurately two days ago. I haven't heard shit. Eat a dick.

Wow. Crazy. That is a comedy of terrible. I drove 150 miles an hour out of fucking

allegedly close course. Fuck that driver. I did it. Tennessee. I'm gone. That's

the way you're going back there like three weeks. Find a different car. Oh, by the way,

give you a different man 11. No, no, no, no, no. Karma swung back the other way because when I got to

the Porsche Experience Center, I saw our friend Frank, who's the head of PR for a certain model line

in a Porsche car from America. We're getting it lunch ran into some other Porsche people. Hey,

man, everyone come to lunch. So we sit down at lunch and I talking about coming back in November

and what car can I borrow and someone goes, you know, Meredith needs some exercise.

Does that sound familiar to you? Is that the sister car? No way. Meredith is the 918

that's sitting there. Whoa. The 20, the long term like Porsche Classic Center. I was thinking

the car that drove to the summit, the sister car. Oh, no, no, the off-road thing. You can't take that

on a road trip. No, they're like Meredith needs some exercise. You want to take that? I was like

what? And they're like, yeah, I was like, I can put like a thousand miles on it. They're like,

put fucking four thousand miles on it. Whatever. Do I get literally needs to be driven? Like

you're responsible enough to not be stupid with it. Like go. Like six. Okay. So sick. Taking that.

Yeah. Good. And I made it out of time. Yeah. Yeah. Have you driven 918 before?

I drove a 918 one time. I've never driven a press car. Not one press car. When did you drive it?

I drove the one in Dubai for five minutes. Oh, that was it. Well, I got to drive it when we filmed

with Harris and then he had to leave and we had to get more b-roll. So I got to drive it like in

Santa Cruz for hours. Sound acceleration. Everything about it is awesome. Yeah. So apparently

Meredith needs exercise. Yeah. The only thing the zingers missing is like good V8 rumble. It has

its own cool sounds. The 19 makes up for that. Yeah. Oh, it's sick. We went down and looked at it.

It's sitting. It's sitting dusty in a garage. It's a silver one that starts the blue one. Okay.

The dark gray one is the other one. Got it. That's why I drove. Yeah. That was the other one

that had a different woman's name to it. Yeah. This is the blue one. This is the one that was used

at the delta shuttle. Oh, like when they press stuff. Yeah. When they were running people doing

the VIP stuff. When they have a certain amount of luggage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's all right.

Well, that worked out. That is car. I cannot guarantee this will happen as possible someone, but

but it's a pretty high-up people were there. They brought it up and then they like double down on

it. So like let's go. Sure. We also saw some really cool stuff at Porsche Classic Center down there.

You know, they're doing, I mean, they didn't tell me any customer names or anything, but they're

doing full restos on like early 2000s stuff now. So like there was like five, six career GTs down

there, and these restos are like while you're in theirs, because people are going, you know,

instead of just doing the bushings and the tires and the major service, I want you guys to take

this thing down to bear whatever. And I want to envision it as if because I wasn't there when it

was new. I want so changing colors to stuff that are modern colors. They're doing, I saw a couple

finished ones are real cool. That'll be interesting. I wonder what the value value will be like if you

change the color, but it's done by Porsche. Probably less than an original, but more than if someone

else. For sure. Yeah. Oh, cool. Also, it depends like is the color good? Yeah. You know, is it pretty?

The one I saw was very pretty. I saw a couple nine five nine's and people were doing some GT3RS

4.0s, 997s. I saw one that was a full color change that was a color that they never offered in

that. And it looked really, really cool. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. It was very, very cool.

CGT. That's yeah. Apparently, apparently to do a full resto and color change on really any mid

2000s Porsche, including the CGT is like 300 to 500,000. Which I could see somebody spending.

I mean, I really good. I mean, it's crazy. It's a huge amount of money, but like I could see

somebody going, you know, these analog cars are never coming back. I might as well get this one

done the way that I like it so I can keep it forever. Yeah. If you're re-spraying, if you're restoring

your Kuntosh completely from bare everything and you wanted a color change, not that you probably

would. No, I might. You could do that. I'm not I'm not particularly attached to red. I think my car

is handsome, but I didn't buy it because it was red. Also, the color blindness, you might change

the color to something. There are other colors I would prefer to red. Did you ever see the silver

one? It looks incredible. I mean, silver was beautiful. Some of the light blues are unbelievable.

There's a green one that's ridiculously pretty. There's other colors I like better than red for

sure, but I'm happy with red. So one day you'll be at Lamborghini Classic. No, I told

we told you about that at Pebble, right? They're doing the classic Chey equivalent or whatever it's

called. So anyway, this is going to be a great fucking trip down the down. We could probably get

a tour of Classic Center also while we're there for this trip. Experiences dot rodentrack dot com

if you would like to sign up. And there's like two or three spots actually left from I don't know why

this one didn't sell out. But seaside to Sierra is in two weeks. It's the 23rd to the 28th. Sorry,

I have a calendar for a reason. We have a couple spots left in that one. That's,

that shit is going to be sick. Sonoma, montage hotels, grass valley, Ritz Carlton, Lake Tahoe,

the roads are amazing. That shit's going to be fire as hell. Come drive with me. Go sign up.

It's going to be really fun. I don't know why that one hasn't sold out. That makes absolutely no

sense to me. It's like the best hotels we've ever done. I know she got two quick things. What you

got? I had some BMW victories this weekend. Celebrate. Celebrate. Indeed. There were two things

I had two projects to do. Because of course I took it, did new coil packs and well, I did them like

five years ago. Is it that long? Yeah. It was. Now after I ordered them, I thought I'd

throw parts at things before researching. It's like you can do these every 80,000 miles. I probably

did them after 50. But it had like a little stumble now and then and I also changed the plugs.

Probably could have just changed the plugs because two of them looked a little bit scuzzy. But that

all went fine. That's why this is all victorious. That went fine. Congratulations. Listen to Killer

Mike's new podcast shout out and it was just like got it done in an hour. And then my doors

have both been misaligned by like a mill and a half when I close them. They don't sit flush.

Since the wrap. Since after that, like they hung the doors fine. But it's almost like they got

released. Oh, I think they didn't take them off. Maybe you just have to read. Maybe you just weren't

retighted. Well, what it was is I went, I looked up how to do this and it was like there's two ways

to do it. One is very invasive. If you have to mess with the hinge, you're having a bad day or

Zach's having a bad day. But if it's just the latch where it grabs in the back and you're the

bee pillar, that's easy. It's just two torques and they're on sliders. So I prayed to the BMW gods

and my torques were like hand tight. They'd they'd back themselves out. So I just pushed them in.

Titan closed door sits flush. Victory. Oh, there we go. That was funny. It's Sarah's with me in the

garage. So I go there and she goes, what are we doing? I say, we're adjusting the doors. And she

goes, so we're going to adjust something that functions correctly. And I was like, listen. Yes,

that's what we're doing. Our versions of correct are not the same. Right. But also she knows that

she has watched me plenty of times try to fix something and it turns into a two day project. So

this was five minutes. And I also fixed my stereo, which had been turning itself off. And I pulled

the stereo out, which you saw for about two months. It looked like it had been stolen. And because

I was getting around to it. And I noticed that when I was putting the harness together, a red wire

was just getting pushed out of the harness. So that's probably that's the hot wire. I'm guessing.

And that's why it's not working. So I had to like take the pin out and bend it. I felt very handy.

It was just, I've never done that before. So I felt smart. But it wasn't difficult. And had there

been any sort of anomaly or had that gone awry and had a variable I didn't plan for, I'd be fucked.

Yeah, sure. But it's okay. Now my story got from point A to point B without having to do the rest

of the alphabet. Exactly. Because there's so many pins I would have had to like measure and voltage

meter. And no, so congratulations. Good solid weekend. Good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, the, you know, I don't want to we should talk about vanquish once the video is up probably, huh?

Oh, we have a bunch of questions. We're in an hour now. Oh, okay. Great. Let's get to them. Let's talk

to the people patreon.com slash this one entire podcast. The people who have paid, I mean,

that's what I'm talking about. Gatekeeping. Gatekeeping commenting. Actually, it's a good system.

Get the show early. Get the show extra. Get the show live. Get the show.

What else supports that? Get the show early live extra. And without ads. There we go. That works.

Okay. And of course, ask us questions. And holy shit. Blurple has a lot of words.

But let's get to the highlights bit. Thank you, Zach. If you were involved in a bike on car

incident that wasn't too serious, what are some good snarky responses you would use?

I have gotten on a bike my very first couple of weeks riding. I had a bike on. I was riding in the

wrong lane and someone opened a door on me and I dropped a bike. Yeah, it was not great. And here's

my snarky response. Did you hit the door? Yeah. Oh shit. Oh, yeah. How? Yeah, it wasn't great. Do you

have a snarky response? Like, oh, that's a tricky, tricky bugger there. I don't know. A snarky response

to getting hit by a car. Well, I am a 70 year old carpet salesman from Britain. I'd be like,

no, chicken bugger, jumping in front of me. I eat lives left. I don't, I don't know. It have to

happen in the moment. How mad am I? Just a cheeky response driving's hard.

Assuming it was very soft. Separate Charles. Yeah. Well, this person said they got cut off

in a roundabout. Oh, yeah. I think fuck you is pretty appropriate. I like that one. Yeah.

I've got kids. I shot a dirty look. I was crossing the street and someone came in hot.

They didn't see the red arrow and they kind of jumped on the brakes late and I gave a very angry

stare. And then I noticed that the windshield was tinted so dark, I could not see this person

as we're all the other windows. And I was like, I might be starting a fight with someone.

Yeah. Probably just start a fight with. I got you ever, you ever do that and then feel bad?

The other way, Hannah almost got T-bone in the fucking Bentley with me in it in a ply of

Insta. And I fucking was like started like scream at the person and then we realized he was like

10,000 years old. He should not have been driving. But this person barely had any idea where they were.

You say, Isuzu Amigo, I say mysterious utility wizard. Yes, you do. Bucket list of obtainable

show guests that just maybe haven't had the stars aligned to get on the show.

Bucket list that obtainable to aren't in the same place. I mean, there's a whole bunch of

people that just don't live in LA and the open invite is out. Garrett, Cleetus is one.

People from England have open invitations.

Jeff Rosenman in a while. Jeff Rosenbeer has been here in a while.

Oh, I mean, Harry Metcalf will be awesome. Of course, all the top of your guys. Harry Metcalf

James May. Yeah, because he's been here. San Tino or Mark Norman, because they both like cars

in their comedians. They be super fun. Yeah, I've hung out with Mark Bunch. BMW guy and skateboarder.

Yeah, uh, uh, Pestrana. I know I would ask him the same questions every journalist has,

but I still want to. Pestrana would be fun. Yeah. All the people that I want to have on are like

are probably not in the car world. Like, I'd want to have like, like, chefs and comics and

stuff like that, but that wouldn't make for a good. That's okay. They asked for the star,

uh, attainable guests. I don't know about two clutches. One shift asks about the Fort Collins

Kuntosh Heights. There was a guy in Fort Collins that restores Kuntosh. Is that he get jacked

four weeks ago? They got jacked. Do you have the story? Do you have a story handy? I do. Oh,

I've, I've, this is the guy I'm thinking of. I've talked to this guy before. Oh,

fucking Facebook. It's oh, oh, this was a just an individual's car. No, I mean, that's terrible,

but our Kuntosh was stolen from Fort Collins. Uh, this is a 1988 and a half in a red gold,

like mine, probably the same red gold, uh, with a, looks like a black interior. Um, and uh,

it does have the side skirts and it has a wing. Um, and it looks to have a European front

and possibly Europe. Oh no, it has the black US rear bumpers. Um, that's a bummer. Uh,

too bad. I did not, I haven't heard about this other than what is on this one post right now.

Yeah. Man, that's, I'll tell you what, uh, you can't hide one of those locally. No,

if you're going to, if that, if that, if that car is, that car is on a boat, it's got to be on a

truck and then on a boat and then, yeah, you can't, you can't drive it around golden, you know,

or, I don't know, other parts of Colorado. Yeah. Oh, man, that's probably going to the Middle East

or fucking Russia or something. You know, that sucks. I hope you got good insurance. I hope you

got agreed value insurance. You get paid out. Uh, Lamborghini panel wagon says, uh, if,

wait, okay, wait. If you, if you had to compromise and,

I, do you understand this question? Yeah. If you take a car with a good driving position,

uh, if you had to compromise one aspect of a good driving, what do you choose? Do you choose bad

pedal placement, bad steering wheel placement? Uh, got it, got it, got it. Uh, not seeing the gauges.

If every, if I can get everything else where I need it, but part of the gauges are blocked,

I'll work around. That's the easiest one to work around. Yeah. I agree. Right? Yeah. Is there

another one that that you would say? Uh, I feel like we deal more with bad steering wheel placement

than pedals, but I think I would invert that. I think I'd rather have perfect steering wheel

placement and just okay pedals. Yeah. Um, uh, look at that one. Uh, all wheel drive bias says,

a friend is selling a 200,000 mile B6s for with the 4.2 manual wagon for $6,000. What do you think

of these? Uh, why is this car not a good idea to get as a 28 year old? Um, yeah. Okay. I had one of

these when they were new and they are at least when they were new, they were awesome. They drove great.

They weren't like rock stars on the track, but the engine sounded awesome. They felt really tight

and nice and it was fun on the highway, fun and back roads and generally a really good car. Now

200,000 miles. This is not the car. I don't think that's, that's close. That's the same. Wow.

This has 140,000 miles. This sold on cars and bits for seven grand. Yeah. So this one has,

this one has a 200,000 miles. Well, the good thing is all drive biases. You can probably talk

this person down because this car on cars and bits had 60,000 fewer miles on the clock and sold for

$6,800. So you should offer four. So these, this car has the timing chain guides issue.

Those, they're made of plastic. They can be really expensive to fix. And if they go, you're

completely fucked. Um, so most people, um, that's, that's where they lose them on these cars. Um,

so it depends on the maintenance history as well as the current condition of the car. I wouldn't

buy this car in order to count on it as an everyday car. But is it for six K? If it's in decent

looking cosmetic shape as a project car or fuck around car, not the worst offer five.

It's a wagon. It's manual. They sound great. They sound really good. Amazing. Yeah.

Um, I was looking, uh, Christians as I was looking at your podcast views and notice the

episode Matt answers your questions had 156,000 views. Would you ever just do a question show?

It seems to do well. I keep, I feel like we do so many questions. I don't, is that a thing

that people want? Do they really want a car, a, a, a, all questions show? Or is that the title

which was Matt answers your questions? Maybe the title is super engaging, but now we, we do answer

questions. Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure that like, that was maybe like the first ever solo show

I did when you weren't around. I think I did it from like a webcam at my home or at my home.

I don't, I never talk like that in my house during, during COVID. Um, I think that, so that was

four years ago. TST 580. So literally half the show ago. Yeah. I mean, that was probably the first

time I ever did that is the answer to why that did so well. I think that was pre-patreon also.

Yes. So yeah. Yeah. So I mean, the answer is it did so well. It's now just a part of the regular

show. If we do it, actually, if we do show, that's just Matt answers questions, then there's no

reason people to have Patreon. Yeah. And then I have to get a different job. Yeah. Um, in a,

Boxster to the left, I work at a Porsche dealer. I'm 23 years old. I hit, I'm in sales and I hit

a huge milestone last month. I want to get a new watch. There you go. This is all right. These are

all good things. I, that could have been me. I was offered to be a Porsche dealer in Jersey

out of college. And this, this could have been me. Could have been buying my first roly because I

had a big year slaying in base careers. Uh, I've been on the list for a Rolex Explorer 36 as well

as the Oyster Perpetuals. My first and only nice watch for the next five years. Uh, I'm leaning

towards the Explorer as the AD called and said he'd have one next month thoughts and other suggestions.

I mean, look, you, you seem to already know what you want. Um, functionally, an Explorer and

an Oyster Perpetual are the same watch. I mean, they look slightly different, but you're talking

about steel watches with essentially the same bracelets, essentially the same diameters and very

similar dials. The Explorer hasn't some numbers on it. The OPs just have sticks. But, but you're

talking about literal shades of gray on, on what is effectively the same watch. So I don't want to

talk you out of this watch. You seem to be into it. And, um, if you wanted to only rock one watch

for five years, these are excellent choices. If you want other, um, uh, options, uh, I mean,

you know, uh, if you like the style of this watch, the Omega Aqua Terra line is very nice. Um,

and a little less expensive. Uh, there's, uh, the new IWC on Genor, uh, is very nice. You probably

saw Brad Pitt wearing that shit in the new F1 movie. Uh, those are very cool. Um, and, and there's, uh,

uh, for going for, for almost any, it's just, it's, it's gonna be, it's such a, it's such a personal

thing. I mean, you're talking about a steel, steel, steel case, steel bezels, you know,

steel bracelet, uh, essentially diver light, uh, right? And, and almost every watchmaker makes

something like that. So it's just which specific one do you want? Now, you're coming up slaying

in porches. My guess is you want a Rolex because a Rolex specifically says something about you

that an Omega or an IWC or whatever doesn't say. And that's okay. That's okay. And if you like

the Explorer and, uh, uh, the, the AD will get you the one you want in a reasonable period of time.

Get that. Just get that. You seem to be on the way to that anyway. Uh, Dre from Houston, what up?

I see the values of 992.1 is stabilizing and trending upward. My guess is simple economics due to

the rising cost of 992.2. Would that be an accurate guess? Tariff, Subibi, tariffs, all new porches

are expensive as fuck. If it's on the ground and available today, it is immediately worth a few

points more. But also they've raised the, they've raised the prices of the dot twos. Also, but then

you have tariffs. So this is a red post from two months ago. Portia will no longer be absorbing the

25% tariff on customer, customer ordered cars. Instead, it will pass off 3.6% to customers. Yeah.

So that too. So my guess is, you know, cars on the ground, any car on the ground that's a nice car

is probably 2% more valuable. Right. You know, uh, a sign language interpreter at a Pearl Jam concert.

That's all right. Best AMG for 90K, 08, uh, black series, 2018, AMG GT, 2023, C63 AMG.

They're very well. I mean, they're kind of different, like the AMG GT is a fantastic vehicle,

but really want the GTC, right? Yeah, or at least an S, at least an S. That's the only reason I

wouldn't go with that one. Yeah. It's also, I mean, it's a great sports car. The other cars have a

little bit more, well, the C63 has a little more space. It's a little more usable. Yeah. I mean,

here's the difference. The difference is neat. The, the, the 08 is now an old collectible car,

which is fine. Um, the other two are not the, the, the, the 2023, you buy that and just use it as your

car. Yeah. And you're going to lose, and you lose money percentage. That will go down. Yeah. You know,

the AMG GT is sort of in between. Um, I think it's, uh, it's a lovely car, but I, I don't know if

it's at the bottom of its depreciation curve. And it's the least, it's, it's, it's a nice car,

but you definitely want an S or a C, which is probably out of your budget by a little bit.

Different, and the other one is like the black series is cool, but not all that interesting

to drive, because it's not that old slush box vibe, but it's, it's rare. Man, you'll swap it.

That's a different story. That's a different story. Um, I, I, I saw that one thing that he's

asking about, but I really don't understand. Uh, the one pothole on the FDR drive says, uh, okay,

well, uh, okay, another watch question. One of my best friends is getting married and wants to

get the groomsman a watch $500 is the upper limit on cost. I suggested a Saco 5 or similar.

Any suggestions around that price for three groomsman. So two ways to go. One is you can actually

get them the nicest watch that $500 will buy. Um, in my opinion, it's probably a Saco variant,

or, uh, if you could find like a micro brand that is doing something cool that you're into.

Um, there are some really interesting micro brands. Um, if you go, uh, is the intersect L,

if the intersect LA website is still active, because that event is over like, is that website still up?

Yeah. So if you, if you go to the intersect LA watch show website, scroll down, are there

the list of brands? So I would literally go through this entire list of brands. Now I don't know

where the $500 line is, but almost all of the watches on this list are in the sub $1,000 range.

And so you might find something that is interesting and aesthetically different and cool that's not

just a Saco. Now the Saco is something that will last forever. Um, but most of these are really

nicely made watches that where you might find something really interesting. So so I would also

take a look at some micro brands. Uh, bad gardener, were there ever any stories that came out of

remarkable cars that were lost in the Malibu fires? No, I think most of the people that I know that

had nice cars there were able to get them out. Um, a customer of mine lost the Lamborghini.

There is the famous Porsche that's still sitting on PCH the 997. I'm sure other cars. I'm sure

there are about it and seeing articles about it. The Roger Farrah podcast. Pretty funny. Oh man,

more watches. This might line up. It's pretty much lines up with pretty much lines up with the last

question. Sorry, there we go. Um, P car photos. Have you seen the new lightweight carbon fiber

wiper arms on the new turbo s at $1300. That's hilarious and on brand for Porsche. If it really is

a full carbon wiper arm, $1300 bucks is, is, I mean, I wouldn't get it, but it's not the most

ridiculous thing I've seen on a Porsche. And these look like full carbon new situations.

Where's it just a carbon cover? Oh, those are fucking rad. Those look way cool.

Right? Those look, those look way cooler than regular windshield wipers. Well, regular

windshield wipers now are ubiquitous. They just look like windshield wipers. They have no,

they have no flair. There's a flare. There's some, you could hide $1300 in the 911 in a place

that nobody would ever see it or honestly, not hidden at all because it's on the windshield. No,

no, but I'm saying I know like alternatively. Oh, right. You could spend that money on something. No

notices. Yeah, I bet you, I bet you were fucking embossed Porsche crest on your armrest is 13. When

I drove that 911 T, the white one in, uh, in Tennessee, the seatback was like a dark blue

and that cost a bunch of money. Yeah. You do not need that. Yeah. The, I bet people would ask you

about your carbon fiber wipers, maybe, but it also seems like something that will be copied by ebay

very soon by salespeople on ebay. Sure. So yeah, get them now before ebay finds out. Yeah.

It won't be long before someone in like a 350Z pulls up and they go, I got the same ones. Yeah,

that's really funny. Uh, Lord of the Ringlands says I'm inheriting a 2012 X5. It'll be my fourth car

and fifth vehicle questioning if it's time to pair down as a man with a, with money, but also

infinite car storage. Oh, you're talking about me. Yeah. Oh, I'm first off, I have some money,

but not all the money and I don't have infinite car storage. That isn't true. I have a big

fucking building, but I also have a very smart father and my very smart father has done a very

good job of reminding me that every car I put in one of these buildings costs me like $12,000 a year.

Like so my car storage is maybe infinitely available, but it is not infinitely free. It does come

out of my money. It's not like like, you know, who gets free car storage? Zach, Zach has free

cars. I don't have it. I don't take advantage of it, but like, you know, like fucking Vinny gets free

car storage. I don't get free car storage. It comes out one way or the other. Yeah. Having said

that, like, yes, I could theoretically accumulate a lot of cars. When you do have call it enough money,

and when you do have call it enough space, what you run out of is time. At a certain point, you have

so many cars that driving them feels annoying and like a chore because I have more cars than I have

places to go and like, I also have press cars. So like, that's where the line is drawn. It's not

at space or money. I could keep buying cars if I wanted to. And then you have to manage the cars,

maintenance insurance registration, but really for me, it's like maintenance stuff. So if you had

20 cars that were not brand new, all of them are going to need something constantly. I'm not

in a red shing and you know, whatever. Is that real? Can you check that link? Do they do something

since we fucking saw it? No, no, the link is, I think, to tell this person where our discrepancy was

from. So the question is, SSC SSC, sorry, Guinness says that SSC has a record of 316 miles per hour.

Why did we in our review say it had a top speed of 295? Well, and the link I have is from SSC

and they also say 295. I think the Guinness link is the old information from when SSC

ran quite 31 because it was a two-way average of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Guinness was there. Yeah,

and I think the Guinness website needs to be updated. That's where that sounds more like

crepancy. Yeah, whoops. No. And 295 was not the two-way average. That was a one-way. They did a two-way

average of 282 before that, but something happened and they didn't have enough time or whatever

to do the second run. Yeah, whatever it was. Picked up a nail in their tire or something. I

forget. And when we were filming it with them, they told it, look, the top speed we have ran is 295

one direction. Yeah. If it was 313, Jerry would have said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I wanted to

clear up. Oh boy, a cabo fee bar, I think, is your name. What car company has the deepest

nerd culture? Feel like we're getting trouble answering this question. It's like, how do we

feel like we're insulting nerds and other car companies? I have to say like pre like not car

company, but like pre war, brass era shit. When you're going, when you're at the lawn in Pebble Beach

and you're listening to these judges talk about these cars and what is correct and not correct and

know this random. And I go, I can't get anywhere close to this level of obsession and knowledge. It's

that concourse judge. When they know the color of that the gloves should be that are in the trunk

on top of a toolkit. And they go, those are the wrong, that's the wrong brown. Yeah, this, this,

this bid is supposed to be marked with yellow chalk. You have a light green chalk here, you know,

that kind of stuff. Granny shift and not double clutching like you should. I've had my dream car

in Audi R8 V10 for almost five years. That is a great car. I have no complaints about it, but I

fear I may be reaching the point of wanting something else. The problem is it feels like I would be

getting something else just for the sake of getting something else. Do not convince yourself

that having those thoughts is wrong. Cars are about experiences, not about, I mean, it's, it's okay

to make a bond with a car and keep it for the rest of your life. It's also totally okay to go.

I feel like having a different experience right now. Sure. And moving on.

Contemplating a 991.2 GT3, but it doesn't seem like it would appeal to me any more than my current

car. It might even appeal to me less, but I can't be sure unless I had a go in it first. I have a

suggestion. Viva Las Vegas. Go to dream racing in Las Vegas. Bring your credit card and run laps

in a, you can drive fucking 20 different cars right at that place. Pretty hard. Though, let's

you go. I mean, it's your, no, you haven't, they have instructors and I don't need to be a complete

asshole, but you can go. And for a couple of hundred bucks, you can push a GT3. Pretty hard. You can

push a Ferrari. Pretty hard. You can push a bunch of stuff, not doing a commercial for them, but like

that's what I would do. I would see if any other kind of experience does appeal to you.

Maybe you want a front-engine Corvette ZR1. Maybe you want a fucking Viper. And I think when you're

shopping at that level, at price point, doing research like actual seat time research is absolutely

worth it because the investment you're going to make is pretty significant. You want to be, this

person sounds like they're really worried about being happy with a change. So go test it.

Yep. There is, I mean, yeah, if you're, if you've got a hundred grand,

100 to 150 grand, whatever, real money to spend on a car, spending a couple of hundred

to learn ahead of time, oh, I really love this or oh, I really am not into this is money very

well spent, at least, it's at least as well spent as getting a PPI and not buying a bad car that

has problems, you know, did a scroll back up? Did we end up scrolling down? Okay,

that one Chevy Beretta in the Beretta factory, there's two of them on the fucker.

With the new Testerosa being announced, what storied exotic nameplate should return

and in what form? Okay, did you see the new, those are dish on this for a second,

did you see the Testerosa's act? Did you happen to look at it? It did. Your reaction is similar

to mine. I almost thought it was like April Fool's Day a little bit. I have to say the photos

are interesting. It seems like I shared some messages with a colleague of ours that I won't repeat

here, but it feels like they've taken elements from both the SP3 and the new F80, which I think in a

strange way, like at one glance devalues those cars, but then when you look longer, you go actually,

the SP3 did these certain attributes better, so it looks good. That's when it's done well, and I

think the Testerosa with like the back end, especially the lips in the front, looks really strange. The

front to me... The front is very straight. I feel like they took the second, my second least

favorite part of the Roma, the first being the grill, but the Roma had like the duck clip that

just stuck out, and I was like, for me, it just made the shape of an otherwise smooth car that

kind of turned into this lindry, which is great, and it ruined it. And I think this has these weird

painted canards jutting out the front. I don't get it. Maybe it's better in person,

but it seems like they've put the 12-cylindry... Oh yeah, there we go. I have to say, I think this looks

really strange. They've just put bits of other cars together, and I don't know, kind of a

haphazard way. Yeah, like the canopy looks like 296, which is fine, but then this rear,

you know, the haunch thing above the rear wheel, like gets angular here, but then rounded and kicks

up with a weird duct tape like the SB3, but it's not as good as the SB3, just like the shape of this

front splitter. Whatever is happening at that side intake behind the passenger compartment,

I don't like that at all. I think you have two intakes. It looks like there's

a slim intake that probably directs air to one place, and then this one maybe goes to like radio.

So this might be air intake to the engine, and the lower one is radiator, but I agree with you.

It's just... It's very busy. It looks weird. And my favorite for our designs are always

a really clean ones, and I think 296 is clean, I think. So lindry is pretty clean, and this is just,

looks like a bunch of stuff. It looks like a camouflage prototype that still has the cladding on it.

Maybe it is. I don't think so. It's busy in not a great way.

Maybe it will drive like amazing, but it's... Probably will. It probably will drive amazing,

but I think everything drives amazing. And honestly, when a car that's two years old from Ferrari

is as fast as you could want a car to be and drives phenomenal, and the only thing we don't like

about a 296 is haptic buttons. You don't have to go with the newest thing.

Yeah. Maybe it'll be different in person, but I really think it's awkward. I think the right word

for me is awkward. It's not elegant. It does not... They've thrown away the curves like a woman kind of

thing. Jacking off the record? Excellent. If the new TT concept were instead Jaguar's new F-Type

with a similar design, would it receive the same amount of praise? Well, I think the TT does have

the new TT concept, which is called like C or something like that type, or something like that.

It wasn't called that concept C or something. I thought it looked pretty cool. I'm into it.

Jaguar Type 0 concept? No, no, the new TT. I was not called new TT. It's just like people have

been saying TT, but it's actually called something else. I like this new car. I think it looks pretty

cool. I think it has elements that I've liked from other things they've done in the past.

Is it called TT? Maybe it is. Concept C. Concept C, that's what it is.

This front head-on angle is sort of my least favorite angle, but it's got a little

Bugatti in there, which is cool. The side profile is great. The rear is cool. I'm not totally

sold on deleting rear windows entirely, but the rest of it I'm kind of into.

Oh, do you see what Mercedes-Boss was talking shit about the interior? It looks like it was

designed in 1995. He's not entirely wrong, but Mercedes has fucking busy-ass disco

interiors right now. And TTs were always very simple interiors, which I like. The convertible

is very good. The proportions look good. Top-down view shows a lot of that. That's not a nice.

What else do we have? I like the side profile very much. I think it's a very handsome car.

It is fine. From the side, it looks like you could put that Jaguar thing right over it,

and it's real close. But the proportions aren't as exaggerated on this.

Correct. The Jaguar is like a Dunker Fort proportions. This doesn't look more normal car proportions.

Not even a long time, but it's all on a pebble. We had just all hood.

Timo says, is there room in the Porsche lineup for the return of the base GT2 911, meaning

non-RS? I don't think so. I mean, I think that's the turbo-S is so fast that

Porsche thinks that most people who want that much power should have the all-wheel drive.

Yeah, and I think if you want that much power without all-wheel drive, they can go GT2 RS because

they know that you're a psychopath. I'm intrigued how the Lambo Temerario can have a 10,000

RPM red line despite twin turbos. We just drove a car with that 11,000 RPM red line despite

twin turbos. Would a twin turbo stick shift rear-wheel drive 911 with hybrid turbos be compelling

if it could preserve a high red line? They can't make this any of this hybrid ship work with

stick shifts. I mean, yes, the hybrid turbos would be awesome if you could have them, the E-motor

in the turbos to have spool at zero effectively, but it's not really necessary in the manual.

I don't think people are seeking that with the manuals. The people who are buying the manuals

want it to be pretty simple. They didn't even want seventh gear. I like the build of the turbo when

we drove the flat six one, the 911T, having the build was exciting and fun, and if you reduce that

by having electric help, then I feel like while I'm optimizing the engine for maximum speed,

but why don't I just maximize the transmission also, and it's plenty fun with PDK, so maybe they'll

do it as a special edition. It seems like a small market. Sealed team six speed manuals says,

you've talked a lot about having cars with whimsy, the manks, the wife's JDM cars, etc. What new car

can you buy today that has the most whimsy under 100k? A manks, a Volkswagen fucking manks,

like you could get one of those for 75 or 80, and now you're a really nice one.

Use Caterham. Actually, a new Caterham might be cheap. If you got a small engine,

whimsy is super subjective, though. That's the thing. It's like what is whimsical? The one person is

not the other person, but I think it's, so for me, I'm not going for objective maximum speed,

or anything. I'm going for like a Morgan is pretty whimsical. That's a good answer. I don't know if

that's under 100, though. ID buzz. Oh, yeah. The ID buzz is a vibe for sure. Objectively,

it's just a whatever EV, but it feels a, it's a very happy place to spend your time,

even if even if you're not really caring people all the time and be the view. Like it like the

fucking dude, like the cone is like like the zinger. The view forward in the ID buzz feels like

driving a fucking monorail. It's the windshield is upright and far as fuck away. It's a really

weird, different driving experience. Like it's the most, I think that is the most whimsical

normal car you can buy right now. Yeah. ID buzz for sure. One more, and then we're going home.

We'll keep the next ones for the, keep the next ones for the next ones. Zach's back seat

buzz ball. Someone brought a buzz ball to our party. Really? Yeah. They're gross. I imagine they

weren't. They sell them in huge quantities, which is extra gross. Yeah. Okay. Oh, the spirit of

the week's scouting trip. What's the ideal? Two car solution for four people to go on a golf

and driving trip in the Smokies. No corvettes. We have to carry golf bags and weekend bags.

Well, a couple of options. Someone can bring a wagon. Someone could bring an M5 wagon or an RS6

or a Panamera Sport Treesmo and have outsized influence on the luggage. And then the other group

can be have a sports car. This of course is pending like availability of car. But what is the best

car you could buy for smoky mountains that will hold two sets of golf clubs and two weekend

duffel bags. So you're talking about a GT car. I think you're talking about, yeah, two GT or two

sedans. Yeah. But golf bags are big, right? Golf bags are big. You need you need a wagon

with full-down seats for one car for sure. No, there's some car. There's like my Acura NSX, for

instance, would fit two golf bags and two duffel bags in the trunk. 100%. Wow. Absolutely would.

So that an 05 NSX could totally be it. Okay. Lots of luggage space there. Most

astans on the other hand of a DBX can't fit golf clubs effectively in the trunk. Bentley's

Bentley Bentayga that you don't even need two cars. One person. Yeah. But then you have to drive

that in the smoky mountains. And that's a waste. I think it's not the most agile thing in the world.

I would want something like CTSV will be sick. Yeah. Yeah. CT5 black wing. CT5 black wing has a truck.

You could definitely carry the duffel bags. Yeah. That's got a big trunk to the seat.

Folding that. Yeah. But you could put golf bags in that too. Not four, but certainly two and two.

Yeah. That's a good one. Black wings are superb. C63 would be a good one.

I mean a dark horse. You could feel, actually, they got a weird shaped trunk now, don't they?

I don't know. Don't the most acts have a weird shaped trunk now.

Hellcat Durango. That might be kind of fun. That would be a good time.

M3's, you know, M5 touring. B alright. Jeep Grand Cherokee track. What's it called? Yeah.

Panamera Turbo SE hybrid. Sure.

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