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Get a Job As a CR Tester, Rivian vs. Lucid, Unfair Minivan Bias

Get a Job As a CR Tester, Rivian vs. Lucid, Unfair Minivan Bias

Talking Cars (MP3) Jun 17, 2026 21 min
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About this episode

A listener needs cargo space for two big subwoofers, so the hosts use a database metric—MIRP—to find the Toyota Grand Highlander. They debate why minivans (and even SUV-like MPVs) can be the smarter everyday compromise than cargo vans, then pivot to EVs: Rivian vs. Lucid, with reliability and owner satisfaction, plus Lucid’s minivan-like Gravity. The show also covers how to get into vehicle testing, EV charging habits, and why V2X communication faded.

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Car

Chevrolet Equinox

"We've got a 2012 Equinox. It's not wide enough. We have a 2023 Sportage."

The Chevrolet Equinox is a common everyday SUV. Here, it’s mentioned because its back cargo area isn’t wide enough for the two speakers the caller needs to carry together.

Car

Kia Sportage

"We have a 2023 Sportage. And for some strange reason, the rear seats don't fold down to become flush with the cargo floor."

The Kia Sportage is a popular compact SUV. In this case, the problem is that the back seats don’t fold down to make a perfectly flat cargo area, which matters for fitting large gear.

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cargo floor

"And for some strange reason, the rear seats don't fold down to become flush with the cargo floor. I'd be willing to look at a small cargo van."

The cargo floor is the flat platform in the back where you put stuff. If the seats don’t fold down so it’s all level, bulky items can’t sit as easily or may not fit the way you want.

Term

MIRP

"So I wrote a query against the database where we measure MIRP, which is basically the cargo space in a vehicle. That's like how one big box will fit, right?"

MIRP is a measurement the host uses to estimate cargo-space usefulness by focusing on the largest single item that can fit in the vehicle. In other words, it’s a practical “can this big box fit?” metric rather than just total volume.

Car

Ford Expedition

"...it is mostly mini vans and large SUVs such as the Expedition, the Kia Carnival. One interesting one that does ..."

The Ford Expedition is a large SUV designed to carry more people and cargo than smaller cars. It’s often used by families or anyone who needs extra space. The podcast brings it up as an example of a big, practical vehicle.

Car

Grand Highlander

"One interesting one that does fit the space requirement here is the Grand Highlander. So that's not a bad choice because you know, pretty everyday, good to drive"

The Toyota Grand Highlander is a bigger Toyota SUV with more room in the back. The hosts think it could work because its cargo area dimensions line up with the speaker setup the caller needs.

Car

Sienna

"they're still nice to drive, like a Sienna or an Odyssey are all great to drive."

The Toyota Sienna is a minivan. The point here is that it drives nicely for a van, not like a work truck.

Car

Odyssey

"they're still nice to drive, like a Sienna or an Odyssey are all great to drive."

The Honda Odyssey is a minivan. The hosts are saying it’s still enjoyable to drive, unlike cargo vans that feel more like work vehicles.

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gas mileage

"Oh, yeah, you're going to lose the driving experience like terrible gas mileage. So actually, I owned a cargo van..."

Gas mileage means how far the vehicle can go on a gallon of gas. The host is saying cargo vans often get much worse gas mileage than minivans, especially when you’re carrying a lot of stuff.

Car

Mini Cooler Mini

"...king mini vans, you go back to like, what was the cooler mini vans of our generation or, and I remember there w..."
Car

1999 Dodge caravan

"I was thinking of like just thinking mini vans, you go back to like, what was the cooler mini vans of our generation or, and I remember there was a 1999 Dodge caravan on a T concept that came out has some,"

The 1999 Dodge Caravan is an older minivan model. The host is using it as a memory of what minivans from their time looked like and why they can be more fun and useful than people think.

Car

Kia Carnival

"passed what appeared to be the newest Kia Carnival. I had to convince my fiance that the arguably decent looking car was in fact a minivan."

The Kia Carnival is a minivan, but it’s designed to look more like an SUV. The hosts are basically saying it’s a minivan that doesn’t look “minivan-ish,” which could make more people actually want one.

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minivan

"My question for you is this, are we likely to see other auto manufacturers follow Kia's lead and finally make a good looking minivan?"

A minivan is a family vehicle designed to carry lots of people comfortably. It’s usually practical, with space for passengers and luggage.

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MPV

"she's like, this actually looks good. I was like, oh, you got a minivan. Nice. And she's like, no, actually, it's an MPV. It's closer to an SUV."

MPV stands for “multi-purpose vehicle,” a label often used for vehicles that blend minivan practicality with SUV-like styling. In the segment, the host uses MPV to explain why the Kia Carnival can look like an SUV even though it’s fundamentally a minivan-type vehicle.

Car

Challenger Hellcat

"...ther concepts, renderings, you would see like the Hellcat version of that. That would be awesome. You'd see..."

The Challenger is a two-door car built for performance, with a focus on strong acceleration. People often talk about different high-performance versions of it. The podcast mentions it in the context of what a “Hellcat” style version could look like in concept form.

Car

Chrysler Pacifica

"Wasn't there that Pacifica? So yeah, Chrysler had a lifted Pacifica. I think they called it the Grizzly, but it was on all terrain tires, and I think it had some racks and maybe like a ladder on the side or the back"

The Chrysler Pacifica is a family minivan. The host is talking about a special lifted version that looks more off-road, with tougher tires and extra gear on the outside. It’s basically a minivan turned into something that looks like an adventure vehicle.

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all terrain tires

"So yeah, Chrysler had a lifted Pacifica. I think they called it the Grizzly, but it was on all terrain tires, and I think it had some racks"

All-terrain tires are tires made to work on both regular roads and rougher surfaces. They usually have a tougher tread pattern for better grip when the road isn’t perfect. They’re common on trucks and off-road-style vehicles.

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Hellcat motor

"All the renderings I see, it's usually larger, cool looking wheels with, you know, some body kit on there, but put a Hellcat motor in it."

“Hellcat” is a nickname for a very powerful Dodge engine. The host is basically saying it would be cool to put that kind of performance into a minivan. It’s a fun way to talk about making a family vehicle feel fast.

Brand

Lucid

"Recently, I heard that Lucid is losing a lot of money. What marks the difference between the upstarts of Rivian and Lucid?"

Lucid is an electric car company. The question here is about why Lucid seems to be struggling financially compared to another EV startup. It’s less about the car’s features and more about the business side of making EVs.

Brand

Rivian

"What marks the difference between the upstarts of Rivian and Lucid? They both have cool cars, impressive range and unique features."

Rivian is an electric car company that makes EVs aimed at outdoor/adventure use. The listener is asking why Rivian seems to be doing better than Lucid financially. It’s a business-and-strategy question tied to EV products.

Concept

CR vehicle tester

"Also, what career should I pursue if I want to be a CR vehicle tester? So first, let's take the Lucid Rivian thing."

A “vehicle tester” is someone whose job is to evaluate cars. They drive them and check how well everything works—like comfort, safety, and performance. The question is basically: what job path should you follow to get into that kind of testing work?

Concept

owner satisfaction

"But back to Rivian, their reliability, not great. Owner satisfaction, very good. Lucid reliability also not great."

Owner satisfaction is basically how pleased owners are with their cars after living with them. The hosts are saying Rivian and Lucid may not be very reliable, but owners still tend to like them.

Concept

financials

"But in terms of their financials, neither company is printing money per say. Like Rivian's, I don't know that Rivian has been profitable yet."

“Financials” means how the company is doing financially—whether it’s making money or losing it. The hosts are saying both companies are struggling and that Rivian’s future sales plans matter a lot.

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Car

Rivian R2

"...commercial versus just retail. Then they have the R2 coming. And I think, I mean, I don't know persona..."

The Rivian R2 is an upcoming electric vehicle from Rivian. It’s meant to be positioned for everyday buyers, and the podcast also talks about how Rivian is considering different types of customers. The R2 is mentioned as the next model they’re bringing out.

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off-road

"But we know they've got the off-road thing going with them, whether people use it or not. But we know people like it, right?"

“Off-road” means the car is designed to handle rough roads or dirt trails better than a typical street car. The hosts are saying Rivian leans into that image and it shows up in the trims they tested.

Car

Lucid Gravity

"I hate to bring it back to minivans, but the Lucid Gravity is kind of a minivan. All it needs is a sliding door and it's pretty much a minivan."

Lucid Gravity is Lucid’s electric vehicle positioned with a crossover/minivan-like practicality. The hosts describe it as “kind of a minivan,” emphasizing its shape and usability, and even joke that it just needs a sliding door to be a true minivan.

Concept

autocrossing

"So I started autocrossing. And then I was like, wow, you know, then I did track days."

Autocross is a timed driving event on a course made of cones. You’re trying to drive the car quickly and accurately through tight turns, usually on a flat surface like a lot or airfield.

Concept

modifications

"From there, I start working on my own vehicle, doing these modifications. Now I'm seeing what changes and actually the impact that happens on the vehicle dynamically, everything like that."

In this context, modifications means changing parts or settings on a car (like suspension, tires, or software) to see how it affects behavior. The speaker is emphasizing cause-and-effect: what changes, and how the car responds dynamically.

Topic

track days

"And then I was like, wow, you know, then I did track days. And then it just really evolved from there."

Track days are when people bring their cars to a race track to drive them hard in a safe, organized setting. It’s more about practice and learning than formal competition.

Term

human factors

"You go to college for human factors, you know, you get a degree in that and you can just be an expert in usability."

Human factors is about designing things so people can use them easily and correctly. In cars, it means making screens and controls understandable and comfortable to use while driving.

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usability

"you get a degree in that and you can just be an expert in usability. It's kind of fine."

Usability means how easy something is to use. In a car, it’s about whether the driver can quickly figure out what to do with the screens and controls.

Concept

testing here

"Yeah, it's a much larger door that you can walk through to get into this industry or even within testing here. So really, it's, I guess at the end, it's like find something that really drives you"

In this context, testing means running structured checks on cars and collecting results. Then you analyze what you found so the car or its software can be improved.

Term

data analytics

"So I, computer science or data analytics, programming that track, and you could apply that to cars as well."

Data analytics means taking lots of test numbers and figuring out what they actually mean. In car testing, it helps people understand what the results say about how the car is performing.

Car

Tesla Model

"...obin from Parts Unknown. Robin says, when I had a Tesla Model 3, the company recommended always plugging the ca..."

The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV that runs on a battery instead of gasoline. Because it’s electric, charging habits matter, and Tesla provides instructions on how to plug it in. The podcast mentions those recommendations from someone who previously owned a Model 3.

Car

Tesla Model 3

"Robin says, when I had a Tesla Model 3, the company recommended always plugging the car into charge at the end of the day."

The Tesla Model 3 is an electric car. With electric cars, how you charge the battery can affect how long the battery lasts. The question here is about whether charging right away every night is better than waiting until later.

Car

2023 BMW iX

"So in our test program, we had a 2023 BMW IX. So I pulled the owner's manual. And basically what BMW says is 80% is sort of the target value for day to day driving, right?"

The host references a 2023 BMW iX as the specific test vehicle whose owner’s manual they consulted. BMW’s guidance includes setting a daily charge limit (commonly around 80%) to reduce battery stress from staying near full charge.

Term

charge limit

"So you can set your charge limit to that 80%. And that allows just a little bit of a buffer so the battery is not always maxed out."

A charge limit is the maximum percentage your electric car will charge the battery to. Setting it lower (like 80% instead of 100%) can help the battery age more slowly.

Term

state of charge

"And that allows just a little bit of a buffer so the battery is not always maxed out."

State of charge just means how full the battery is, shown as a percent. Charging to very high levels all the time can wear the battery out faster.

Term

battery degrade

"But they go on to say that over time, the performance of the life of one of these high performance batteries is what they call them does degrade."

Battery degradation means the battery slowly gets worse over time. Charging habits can affect how fast that happens, especially if the battery is kept near full or fast-charged often.

Term

fast charging

"And the more you use it and the more you charge it specifically fast charging it, the more it can degrade. So you kind of want to manage"

Fast charging is when you charge an EV quickly using a high-power charger. It’s convenient, but doing it a lot can make the battery wear out faster than slower charging.

Term

fast charge

"that. You don't want to fast charge on a day to day basis. So you're better off slow charging at home,"

Fast charging is the quickest way to charge an EV. It uses a lot of power, so it’s usually better to save it for road trips instead of charging that way every day.

Term

slow charging

"You don't want to fast charge on a day to day basis. So you're better off slow charging at home,"

Slow charging is charging your EV with a lower power level, usually at home. It’s gentler on the battery, so it’s commonly recommended for everyday use.

Term

10% to 80%

"things like that. But they say ideally, 10% to 80% when possible. Then of course, if you need more,"

That “10% to 80%” range is a rule of thumb for EV batteries. Charging and using the car mostly within that band can help the battery last longer.

Term

highway range test

"We know from our highway range test that most of these cars will go past zero. You don't want to"

A highway range test measures how far an EV can go when you drive at highway speeds. It helps predict real-world range, not just the optimistic numbers from marketing tests.

Term

lithium ion

"Yeah, limited to 80%. And most of these phones also have lithium ion batteries as well. So similar technology, you know, they don't have the cooling systems and"

Lithium-ion is the type of battery most EVs use. How you charge it (like avoiding constant full charges) can affect how long it lasts.

Term

cost per mile

"our next question is from John, also from parts unknown. John says, how would the cost per mile of driving be affected if gasoline and electricity costs were normalized,"

Cost per mile means “how much it costs to drive one mile.” For EVs, that cost depends on your electricity price and how efficiently the car charges and uses energy.

Term

federal and state taxes on gasoline

"John says, how would the cost per mile of driving be affected if gasoline and electricity costs were normalized, given the federal and state taxes on gasoline?"

Gasoline has taxes added to the price, and those taxes can come from both the federal government and your state. If you’re comparing EVs to gas cars, you have to account for those tax differences.

Concept

apples to oranges

"So that is quite the technical question. But basically, basically, we're trying to compare apples to oranges, but an apples to apples kind of a way in terms of pricing, right?"

They’re saying it’s hard to compare gas and electricity directly because they’re priced and measured differently. The goal is to convert them into a common comparison so the numbers mean the same thing.

Term

off peak times

"And in other states, you're better off even buying an EV because the electric rates are low, and then you can fill up during certain times, off peak times."

Off-peak times are when electricity is cheaper. If your EV charging can wait until those hours, you may pay less to charge.

Term

V2X

"But for some reason, it never gained traction. And what happened was that the FCC originally designated the 5.9 gigahertz bandwidth to the V2X. But what happened was there was a 75 megahertz band that was allocated to V2X."

V2X means cars talking wirelessly to things around them. That can include other cars and road infrastructure like signals or sensors. The goal is to make driving safer and smoother by sharing information.

Term

FCC

"But for some reason, it never gained traction. And what happened was that the FCC originally designated the 5.9 gigahertz bandwidth to the V2X."

The FCC is a U.S. government agency that manages radio and wireless frequencies. It decides which parts of the spectrum are reserved for technologies like car-to-car communication. Those rules can make it easier or harder for the tech to work well.

Term

5.9 gigahertz

"And what happened was that the FCC originally designated the 5.9 gigahertz bandwidth to the V2X."

5.9 gigahertz is a specific wireless “channel” frequency. Car communication systems use particular frequencies so their radios can talk reliably. The podcast is saying this frequency band was set aside for car-to-car communication.

Term

bandwidth

"And what happened was there was a 75 megahertz band that was allocated to V2X. And that has been now dropped to 30 megahertz. So 45 megahertz has been taken out of there... So basically, they narrowed up the window that these cars can communicate in, right?"

Bandwidth here refers to the amount of radio spectrum (data-carrying capacity) available for V2X communications. When regulators reduce the allocated spectrum—like cutting a 75 MHz band down to 30 MHz—it can limit how much data vehicles can exchange and how reliably the system can operate. That can slow real-world deployment and development.

Term

V2V

"But for some reason, it never gained traction. And what happened was that the FCC originally designated the 5.9 gigahertz bandwidth to the V2X. But what happened was there was a 75 megahertz band that was allocated to V2X. And that has been now dropped to 30 megahertz... And what life would be like, you know, mingling with if there's V2V and people out there that are not, you know, communicating V2V."

V2V means one car can talk directly to other cars nearby. It can share things like where it is and what it’s about to do. For it to help, other cars on the road need to be able to communicate too.

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