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A lively discussion unfolds around automotive events, community engagement, and the intricacies of brake systems. The hosts share insights on brake maintenance, including the pros and cons of slotted vs. drilled rotors, and delve into the impact of driving habits on brake wear. They also explore the evolving landscape of automotive technology, particularly the shift towards subscription services and the implications for consumers. With humor and camaraderie, the episode highlights the importance of informed decision-making in car maintenance and ownership.
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brake maintenance
slotted vs drilled rotors
driving habits
subscription services
community events
automotive technology
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"...t there. I was talking about. They did cancel the Mustang Clubs show that was here in town because they wer..."
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".... So a buddy of mine has one that he took off his Camaro and he's gonna give that to me. So I'm not gonna ..."
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Let's Talk Cars Radio, Dave Polasch. Hey, guys, welcome Let's Talk
Cars Radio on WKQA Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big DAVP hanging out
with Cameron Chaos and Nate Vb. It is a great day for a radio
show. I'd like to say it's a great day for a car show,
but it definitely depends on where you're at. If you guys didn't hear us
talk a little earlier, we gave you guys a little little break there about five minutes ago, telling you guys, we're getting ready to come on the air. I told you guys in our areas, we got some clouds.
Looks like a little bit of some rain clouds are out there. I was
talking about. They did cancel the Mustang Clubs show that was here in town
because they were worried about the weather, and I can understand. So it
looks like they are going to be rescheduling for May six. So if you
guys are planning on heading out to that, I just know that, Yeah, that unfortunately did get canceled. There are some pop up shows and some
cars and coffees and stuff that areupposed to kick off tomorrow. I'm hoping if
everything it works out that maybe we'll get a chance to get out there.
We had had a chance to talk over with the guys yet and see if we can rustle ourselves up in the morning and get out there. But hopefully
we get our chance to get out to a couple There's a couple of different shows are going on different times. I'd like to kind of hit a couple
of be kind of cool, But like I said, we'll see how that works works out. But yeah, it's been an interesting week. A lot
of different stuff going on, a lot of different things in the works.
I've been telling you guys, Hey, so just so you guys know, put it on your calendar. The very first Wheels and Reels is April twenty
ninth. Top Gun the original is going to be the movie that's playing.
I've been telling you guys, really important, cool project. You know.
They are kicking it off last year over there at Landstown Common with a car club Council of Hamper Roads. So I've been telling you guys over and over
again, very cool old style drive in theater style where you drive in, you can sit, and you can wash the movie there. It's a really
cool thing. So put it on your calendar, tell your friends, tell
your community posted up, get it out there at everybody really cool event April twenty ninth. So you guys are gonna want to go ahead and get out
to this event and park Popcorn. Mulan is gonna be doing some finger foods
and stuff. You got Firehouse sub there. You can get some food,
you can sit, you can have a good time, you can watch a movie. You know. I just think it's really neat thing to do with
the family and stuff. I like to see a huge turnout for this event.
We're gonna be doing a bunch of these different events with a car club council throughout the year. They're trying to stick to the cooler dates, so
you'll see a little breakthrough during the warmer months and then we'll come back around as it starts to cool back off again and do them. So look for
those dates to be posted up. But yeah, the first one is going
to be coming here on the twenty ninth. Big push for this because I
really believe in this event. I think it's really important. So like I
said, definitely get on a schedule. We're gonna be involved in some and
hosting some as well. I told you guys about those days, So we'll
have all those dates and stuff. We'll post it up for you guys.
So yeah, really really cool thing. I'm really excited about being involved in
this year. A lot of different car shows we're gonna be popping up up
this year as well. Big huge thank you to NAPA BDG Group. We're
gonna be tied up with this this year. Our sponsors. I told you
guys that Livery Transmissions can be sponsoring event, Speedy Auto Auto Service can be sponsoring one of those events this year. I did talk with Courthouse um Imports
yep, so they were going to jump on a sponsor event as well.
Looks like that event is already gonna be sponsors, So we're gonna team up with him in some other different ways somehow. But a lot of people jumping
on board this year. I'm very very humbled. You know, I told
you guys at Triple A Tidewater, you know they jumped on with this year out at Landstown. They're sponsoring a bunch of different stuff about the course of
the year that we have going down. Their anchor mobile Concrete this year has
jumped on graciously on board sponsor a bunch of different stuff with the Car Club Council. So very very humbled to have a lot of big sponsors this year
helping us out. It's very very cool. So thank you, thank you,
thank you for everybody that's gotten gotten involved. Uh and is you know,
just getting getting on board with all that stuff. It's very very cool,
you know, Like I said, you know, we're in our eighth year with the show and just have so many great sponsors be tied up with us and be involved with all these different things and helps this community you know, I'm big, big, involved with a lot of community stuff. So
to have there are all these people just out there and just tied up with us and helping us all these different commune events. This is very very cool.
And like I said, you know, you just told me eight years ago when we started this show that we'd have so many great sponsors and stuff and be involved with so many great people, you know, seven by seven out events. Mark, you know huge. Everybody knows doctor Mark, And
like said, you know we met a long time ago. Him and I
clicked instantly. Just really good people and stuff. And John over there with
the Car Club Council and you got you guys know with clear Shine, you know, great guys as well. Just you know, good people be tied
up with. And it's it's been really really good. So anyway, great
community. Yeah, keep bringing the community together. Yeah, absolutely, just
community event man, it's great. You guys know how much I love being
involved community in our charity that we do. Were in Christmas time and everything,
So just kind of wanted to put that out there. So yeah,
look for these dates. We can keep on posting out dates and stuff like
that. I said, I'm kind of sad because I was looking forward to
getting out to the Mustang Clubs event. But uh, like I said,
no, Flaret, it's gonna be you know, rescheduled here here in Maine stuff. So we'll get back out and get that going stuff. So no,
what was today though we're not today, but yesterday, what was that?
It was Courthouse Shells thirty year anniversary. I didn't see that get post.
I mean, I just I just saw Steve and I didn't see Courthouse Your anniversary was, well, happy birthday. Everybody knows Steve over there at
Courthouse shell Uh, it's right across from the courthouse and very convenient. Just
so you guys know, if you you know, hey, let's just say you how to go to court for ticketers up and if you're if you're gonna be there for a little while and you needed to get some gas or it's a little bit of pairs or you work over the courthouse, you could drop your car off over there, let the work get done while you're working, and pick a car up on your way home. But yeah, it's kind
of staple of the community over there forever. Not say I went to court,
but hey, yeah, so uh definitely, Hey, guys, I want to jump into day. Like I said, I've been taking a lot
of different questions um on brakes, you know. And I got in a
conversation with my buddy Paul out there in Arizona, and him and I were talking about breaks because he's thinking about changing the brakes on his wife's car, so they have a twenty eighteen accord, and him and I got into conversation, and so I started going down the rabbit hole, and then then I posted it out and started asking questions to our you know, our listeners and stuff like that is what they thought about breaks and stuff. And as you
go down that rabbit hole, a lot of people have different opinions and stuff.
So he had posted the question, and I thought it was kind of anesting. He was thinking about going to slotted rotors and or slotted and drilled
rotors and stuff, and so we kind of start talking to look to see what was out there. And I guess originally I thought it might be a
good idea. And I know you had talked about doing it when you had
the BMW a little bit and going to you know, upgraded brake system and stuff on to BMW. I'm pretty sure I think I just had drilled.
Yeah. So um, and I know Cameron on the Z Car. I
think you had slotted and drilled yeah on the on the Z Car because I was trying to do the big break up grades on it. Yeah, yeah,
I was trying to do my goal. My whole goal with the car
was to do brimbo breaks with drill Dan slotted. But suspension got the best
of me. So here's the thing. So as I went down the rabbit
hole. Now I have a break kit for the trans Am that I'm not
gonna be putting on it. I'm gonna go ahead and change to a different
break break kit that actually is being given to me. So a buddy of
mine has one that he took off his Camaro and he's gonna give that to me. So I'm not gonna put the one that I have setting aside for
it. But I guess here's the thing. So you know, the trans
Am is a performance car. Okay, obviously it's a hot Roden stuff like
that. So you're willing to do a little given, a little take when
it comes to a performance car. And so you guys would agree upon that,
right right, all right? So with that being said, what's going
to look better. What's really going to reduce the power is, well,
stop so much power though, you're not really gonna give up anything on power, but training one thing and for another. Right, So yeah, you
know I understood. So what brought Paul down the rabbit hole, I guess
a little bit was is they're going through breaks quite a bit on the Accord, so they put they put a lot of brakes on it, so it's driving it and Angie's driving it as wife's driving it, So we run into that a little bit, I guess with our wife's driving the car and stuff like that or us. You're bad on breaks, I mean, camera's camera's
horrible on breaks. I'm I'm a little bad on breaks, a little bad.
You're horrible on breaks. I'm a little bad. I'm hearing I need
new breaks and I need oil change. Yeah, I need an own food
to change right now. I just check oil yesterday. I was just like,
yeah, it's about time for an oil change. Cameron goes through breaks
like like nobody's business. I mean, so he's he's really he's really bad
on brakes. He goes through breaks. Um like I'm gonna say, like
every ten thousand miles Cameron needs front brakes. I mean it's bad. I
don't know how he does it. I just I swear he drives with his
foot just riding on the brake pedal. No, actually don't. I don't
hit my brakes a lot. I rode with you. He rides breaks doesn't.
No, I don't really ride my brakes. Way do you guys think
me riding my brakes is not oka closely and in your Yeah, he heartbreaks.
He's constantly heartbreaks. And that's why his roders get warped the way they
do. Yeah, his brakes get his rodors get warped because he he literally
like he'll get up on you. Yeah, exactly. So Paul, he
was telling me that they run to the point point where they put a lot of brakes on it. Now here's the thing. So I will I will
give you some gon give you some slack a little bit because as I researched Paul's car, your car comes up too that you get accessive breakaware on that car. That car gets successive breakway. Your cars in that category as well.
So the accords me hold on. So the accord, it just means
the car is a very sensitive accords are supposed to get anywhere from thirty to seventy thousand miles on a set of break pads, is what it says.
But if you go in and dive down the rabbit hole like I did, accords tend to If if it's what they call an aggressive driver who tends to break hard or break late or anything like that, then the Accord has a problem with eating up break pads, is what it says. So you're not
getting the thirty thousand out of them, You're getting fifteen to seventeen out of them, is what is what it says instead, which is the course of a year on year, one year, that's what you'll get out of them.
So every year you're putting set of break pads on it, and or rotors because if you're if you're an aggressive break pad, you're warping the rotors.
So you start to get that feeling. Okay, So now I can
see where there's that problem, especially if you're that that type of driver, which I know Cameron is without that's the reason why we're constantly doing breaks on his car. So your car tells you everything about your driving. Well,
I taught you that you can't lie, You cannot lie about like, nope, what you do in your vehicle? And so I'm tried to just yeah,
he'll try to lie to me. So, you know, I used
to always laugh because when I was in the automotive industry on a daily basis, especially in the garage side of things, and I'd have a customer come in and give one of my managers a hard hard time or giving one of my service riders a hard time, and it had, you know, escalate it past them to the point where I had to get involved and it would get kicked up to me and I finally I would have to come out of the office and go, you know, mister customer, what is it that we can do to make you happy? And they would I would listen,
they tell me their side of the story, and I go, well, can you give me a second, I'm gonna go out. I want to
I want to physically put my eyes on the car. When I physically put
my eyes on the car, the car doesn't lie. The car tells on
you. I mean the car. Everything I need to know about the car,
it's gonna tell on you. I can look at your car and go,
you drive, You drive like a Jack Lake. I mean like the
car. Literally, it's gonna show me all the heat spots in the roator.
It's gonna, you know, the breaks are gonna tell the story.
And then I'm gonna come back in and go your your story is false, Like don't and I'm not trying to be rude to you, but your car, like literally is the biggest tattletale. It's gonna it has told me everything
I need to know about you and your driving habits, no matter what you because they were like, well, I drive like a grandmother. I don't
understand why I'm having so many problems after you guys have done work on my car, and I'm like looking at the car, going, holy cow, look at the heat spots in the rotor. And you know, I mean
like in life, that tells you tell us just on you without even trying to yourself. Your well, I guess three things, yourself, your house,
and your car. It's where you spend the most time at so of
course they're going to see everything in your house and right yea, your car.
You know, it tells a lot about you. You're right about that
tells a lot about you. It does so like I said, I mean
the car, the brakes are a big identifier is how you drive your car.
Tires are a big identifier about how you drive your car too, though, those those those things you know so up keeping how you drive your car, I'm gonna know a lot about you by looking at your tires and looking at your brakes. Is it time for a tire rotation for me? In
my lights on? I don't know. I take a look at your car,
I don't. I don't physically walk around your car as much as I
used to because it's not here in the driveway anymore. Everybody should do that,
by the way, everybody, you should just walk around their car and check it out. You'll be amazed of what you find. Um, I
tell everybody like, I don't understand why people just don't, like in the morning before you go to work or something like that, why you just don't do a walk around your car. People just walk to their car, open
the door and then it started and drive. When you get your d v
L, like avoid your license around your car, check for glass should you do or anything? There's a reason why you do a point in specially hold
that note, guys, we'll dive a little bit deeper into this. I
gotta take quick merci break. When we come back more on breaks, you're
gonna want to hear some more about it. I'll talk to you soon.
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Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive specialist. Now back
to your host, Dave Palach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So,
if you're with us, before we went to commercial break, we were talking about breaks. So here's the thing. There's a point of the conversation,
even though, like I said, and a lot of people jumped in and gave me their opinions. So let's just say that you're having a break
issue and you're like, oh, okay, well, you know I got a break issue. And that was one of the things that Paul and I
were talking about. So He's like, you know, I just want I'm
tired of putting brakes on the car all so often, so I think I want to, you know, move to like a slotted rotor and maybe a drilled rotor or whatever. Everybody say, hey, Ricky, Hey, Ricky.
Yep, he's coming on the chef, so everybody say so and I and I feel for him. So that's what made me go down the rabbit
hole a little bit deeper as I was talking to people and asking their opinion, and I really don't think that's a solution. And I got back to
him after I went down the rabbit hole, but I was like, hey, you know, I don't think that's gonna be, you know, a true solution for you. And here's the reason why slotted rotors and drilled rotors
and stuff like that really aren't made for a daily driver. It's just a
look. It's not it has a purpose. It's not a look. It
has a purpose. It obviously airs everything out. But here's the thing,
Okay, there's something that you give up with putting that in your car.
They're noisy, they have road noise. Yeah, there's road noise to him,
So them baby's break there. Well, no, no, no,
it's true though anybody break change are just slotting the road. And he's like,
no, no, they just got stare. You can pull up next
to the guy. Just a spinning of them, just the spinning of them
when you touch the brakes. There is a hard surface noise to them.
Okay, so you have that noise to them, so you have to give up. Will they last longer? The answer is no, they won't either.
So you not only not only you giving up ride noise on a car that should be quiet anyway, because the two surfaces they're they're spinning together, but they don't even they're not even the last song, you're gonna burn up pads actually quicker, Like with it being slotted, it now has something to cut into it. You know, we're not, it's just a little bit
more. Still, purpose is for a high breaking. That's all reason for
the you know, so if you're not high, you're cooling, you're cooling everything quicker, Yeah, just dissipating heat right, right, So I understood where he was going with He was like, well, you know, I she seems to you know, be warping rotors, you know, quickly because of you know, so so I understand where he was going with it.
So, you know, as I went further and further down the thing, I was like, well, he's not really a conversation. His a's going
to give up, you know, So what about just doing one? What
about just drilling? Would that help? Okay? So it's funny. So
as I went down the rabbit hole, like okay, what's the solution, I did come up with a solution for him that gives them the best of both worlds. Just vent it rots just do difference between that and well you
don't. You won't be given up the noise for a noise problem that again
vented, then vent then rotors. Yeah, so they have rotors just venet.
You see them, you just don't realize it. Instead of being all
the way through and slott, they just have Vennett blades running in the roador instead of being a blank and that's what you call a regular rotor, it's just a blank, it's just flat. That's called a blank. Then you
have Vennett which just has a little vents carved endo them. They're way through
and that helps dissipate the heat so you don't have the sound problem. Okay,
And then you don't have the grinding noise either. Okay, I know
you're talking about Okay, yeah, you see them, yeah, scratch marks a yeah. And they're venet so they dissipate the heat quicker because they allow
the air to flow better, and that would be the happy medium and you don't have the noise problem. And I think that would help them better as
I went through and did all the research. So if you're running into that
problem and you guys think there is that you can buy them. You can
buy Bennett Rotor for it instead of having to go full drill and you can use that on your daily driver without because truly, Slott rotor drill rotor is complete overkill for a daily driver and you're getting all that noise and you're gonna wear down pads occur, so you're not really helping yourself and you spend more money on the pads, right, you know what I mean. It's like
you've just you've gone to complete overkill. And here's a thing. There's all
the different types of pads. We haven't even jumped into that. If you're
having problem with pads, you're wearing down pads, just go to a better grade pad. Try that you know what I mean, do a better grade
pad, and better grade pads dissipate heat better too by using a different material pad. Right, come on, so they have card Quest card Quest Silver.
But okay, I understand that. But here's the thing. Sometimes people
match up wrong pads with stuff too. They they're like, oh, I
got the gold pad. I'm like, well that doesn't mean anything. You
could have just got the gold pad and it's still made out of a crappy material, Like, right, what is it called? What's I'm like,
I'm like, I'm like, what's I'm like, what's it made out of?
Like that has a lot to do with it. Is it a graphite
pad? What's what's the paid pad made out of? Just because it had
a gold box doesn't mean it's still a good pad. You only paid twelve
dollars for the pad. He was in a gold box. It's still a
twelve dollars pad. You laugh if that happens, Like, like, do
a little bit of research and find out what the power made. Asked what
pads I wanted, and I was given that option. Do you want off
the bronze or old? But you know, I said, well, I
guess we're going gold. Do they have a platinum? And you're like,
You're like, well, what am I pains? What about titanium? Do
you have a titantum? And they're like, well we do, yeah,
No matter what I asked, I was like, you guys have it?
Huh yeah? Why didn't we start off at titanium and work our way down
from there? I mean, why is there five options but you only offer
to me the three? But it doesn't it makes a difference. Find out
what the pads are made out of, and do just do a little bit of research because what the pad is constructed of it's a lot to do with dissipation of heat. A lot of people don't think about that. But here's
a question, right, okay, all right, So we have so many different paths, right, we do tons different Absolutely, why we just get rid of all of them and just have one good pad? We have to
go through all that mess because people are cheap, like quality quality, Because people are cheap, Why do we let's follow your path? You're you're different,
are you? Look? I know quality, right, I'll pay for
quality. But I'm just saying, like, you got six different pads and
we all know what the better one is. Stick with one what we got
me because people are like this, Niel, are you going we can make it? Go to the grocery store because you because you tend to lean towards
the quality. He goes to the grocery store, stands in the milk island.
Pay two dollars for milk? Or do where I want to know where
you're buying milk two dollars? What I want to know? You let me
know where you're getting milk in two dollars, I'm like, or I'm going quality. Here's the thing Nathaniel is is he is true. He's good with
money. He's very very good money. I'll get he's but he we have
bronze, silver and gold because of people like him. We do. I
would just go gold. You know, you don't know, you don't You've
never gone just gold. I don't know if I really want to spend this
bunch like I can't cow many times I've been in a store with you that I've been there for an hour when I should have only been there for fifteen minutes because you sit there and stick. When I bought a laptop, when
I'm looking at car guys right a right, looking at the top tier most likely, right, So it's like, all right, why would I spend this when I mean, you're right, you look at the top tier, but then you talk yourself out of the top tier every time. Yes,
yes, yes, He's like, that's you, is you? That's why
we have the different tiers. I can go pay fifteen grand for a car,
and then the next day it's well, I'm gonna go buy two a grand car or a three grand car. And it's like, well, cars
aren't that price anymore, buddy, but why are you're gonna go get a car? I'll find one. I'll find one. It's more like a year.
You don't want to buy anything with him, fan, I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't want to go any place with Nathaniel. He'll
keep you there for three hours discussing it, and then you walk out of the store with b without buying anything, without buying anything. It happens every
time. That's why every time he asked me, he's like, hey,
do you want to go look at somethingime I'm think about buying. I'm like,
no, I'm good. We went. We're not gonna buy anything.
We're gonna go there and look for four or five hours, but we're leaving with nothing. We went to a car dealership and he was stepping in cars,
going well, I could go get this one that's like ten k cheaper and I'll just The problem with it is, so here's where the problem is.
He can afford to buy it. Yeah, the stuff he goes to
look at, he can afford to buy it. We go to a car
dealership, the cars forty grand, and he can buy it. He can
buy that car. Get in mind, right, I'm so we're not there
just like wasting time. He could buy the car. The problem with it
is is you're not leaving with the car. You're sitting in the car.
The car's forty grand, and he could he could stroke and chut for the car, but he's not gonna buy because he can't talk like this is really worth thinking about. The car dealer shipped down the street give it to him
for thirty nine. Everybody's doing that. He's like, maybe if I go
down the street, they'll give it to me for thirty eight. But the
problem with it is is he's not there, Like, he's not there playing around. He can buy the car, he just can't get himself over the
hump to buy the car. Every time he's one of those guys on the
TV show. He's like, all right, final offer thirty two, Well
you learned that for me, learn the slide, slide the paper. But
I've already told him like foot do chance, like dragging the foot out the door, this is your last chance. It was I think it's called Crazy
Rich Asians where they walk in the dealership and they're like, I want to talk to your boss, and they're like, I am the boss. And
then it goes to the next guy and they're sitting at the desk and he's like, I want to talk to your reminding you this is our car dealership.
And they think they're at the final boss stage and they look over and see that there's ac blowing into a room and I want to talk to your boss. Comes out to be Shack O'Neil that He's like, nobody's ever made
it. I'm telling you, it's just it's it's funny how it all plays
out at the end, Like I understand all the different levels of things and stuff like that, but it comes down to what we told you guys a million of time. Do you have to do your research. You have to
do your research, and like I said, I went down this rabbit hole for you guys with BRACE and it comes down to the very end of There's a lot of options, but sometimes going all the way to the end is not the best option. And then this Britain breaks on a every day,
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stuff is what anybody should want to do for a daily driver. I do
think the Bennet option is going to be the best option for you if you're looking to dissipate heat and you want to keep from warden rotors. Do your
research on all of your brake pads. Find the mess with best material that
matches up best with what you guys do. I think you'd be happier that
way. On that note, guys, I gotta take quick cornership break.
When we come back. We got some more stuff to dive into. You
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Falach. Hey, guys, welcome back to the show. So it's kind
of funny we talk about things on this show, and things seem to kind of start off as a what if and what if this happens and what if that happens, and then things tend to spire a little bit more out of control. To think about that, I remember how we had like the silver
golden Yeah, that conversation. I started thinking about that even more deep.
It's just parts in general. Because remember my three fifty Z when the knuckle
went out, it was when it costs me about eight hundred nine hundred, I think to go buy it brand new, and then I found out that the Z's actually used the same knuckle as the Genesis, the G thirty sevens or something like thirty five or something like that. I remember, and I
went and bought to bring a new knuckle for two hundred dollars and it was like, how are you marking up the price just because it's for a Z and they use the same exact knuckle. That happens a lot those like I've
found. I don't know what it is. Well, I think I do
popularity on things that I have been able to swap parts on a car that has a little bit less popularity. Perfect example. Let me let me so
this happened to me years ago on I think it was a Ferrari or something like that. And don't quote me on it, guys, but you'll understand
the comparison. There was a it was either Ferrari or it could have been
a Lambo, and I can't remember. We had it in the shop and
the guy had a problem with a UM. If I remember correctly, it
was a wiring harness on a light assembly and I couldn't find it. I
couldn't find it anywhere. So me being the person I get on a computer,
how I like to get on computer. I always saying, I always
say going down the rabbit hole because it's my my favorite term, because that's really one of this right, and you're just man, you go down the rab rabbit hole. Further and further you digging. I don't know what other
whole you're about to pop down, right, because it is because like you, you you read something and you're you're reading this article, and then you then you jump into the comments and then some were burying them. Somebody mentioned
something and you pull that and then you put that into Google, which takes you into a whole nother something up and you start reading that, and then you start reading those comments. And then somebody mentioned something which they about this,
right, and you just start you you just grab little statements, you drop that back into Google, and before you know it, you just man, you just keep on tumbling down these rabbit holes. And it really it
works, but you have to want to. I mean, I'll go for
hours and hours and hours. And I told you guys about before about building
fake cars. Like I see a car online and I like it, and
I'm like, what it looked like if I put these wheels on it?
I do, and I do that too. That's that's rabbit hole stuff,
and it works if you're a car guy. But I solve problems by going
down these rabbit holes and what I and this is the perfect example of that.
I end up finding out that the part that I was looking for, I found the part for this car. Like I said, I can't remember
if it was Lamba or if it was a fraud, but it was one of those cars, and I just life me can't remember, and I'm picturing the car. The car was yellow peg camera which one it was? To
remind everybody what we are talking about, since I see a lot of people are tuning in. We were talking about finding other parts for cards that necessarily
would not go with that being right, So whichever one was, like I said, it was a Ferrari Lamborghini. They wanted like nine hundred dollars or
something like that for this like pig pigtail connector. I mean, it was
like a bigtail connector to make this guy's And by the way, I think it was like three weeks for me to be able to get it. And
as I went down this rabbit hole online looking stuff like that and the comments and stuff, I found out that that part was also part of a Fiat is what it was. And I could get it from Chrysler down the street
within like a week for like a hundred seriously, for like one hundred dollars.
It was like something stupid. I mean it was. I think it
was actually less than a hundred bucks. And I ordered it through the Chrysler
dealership down the street. Because Chrysler Fiat all of them were connected. They
had to me in like four days. I got it and it was the
same piece and it connected perfectly. I mean it was like plug and play.
Yeah, and it connected. And the guy like was like blew his
mind when I told him now, he blew his mind in two different ways.
One that money that worked, and be that I didn't try to like scam him for money, right, like you know what I mean, Like I didn't try to charge like the nine hundred dollars that was supposed to be.
And I just look, yall can see what you guys want in life and stuff like that. But here's the thing. I'm a true believer of
this, and you know, you guys believe what you want. I'm gonna
have to answer for a lot of things later on down the road. I
don't care what you guys believe. But you know, when we're all dead
and leave this ors and stuff like that, that's the one thing I'm not going to answer for. He took advantage of this guy over a pigtail connector,
you know what I mean, Like, let's look right, no, right, there might be some other things I might have to answer for and stuff, but it isn't gonna be like over a pigtail connector. I mean,
I just look, you do right by your customers and you'll have you'll have a lot of customers. I just I believe in that. And that
was just one example of I I couldn't believe that. It was that one
little connection piece and you could get it through a Dodge dealership for you know, for one of those you know, high end cars. But I hear
that happens a lot, you know, where they've just they've sourced parts and their little things, and it was the same thing. But you know,
at the end of the day, I don't know. Like I said,
it's funny we talk about things and they all come back around. You know,
we were talking about what it's called conversations over the last couple of years, how manufacturers were trying to get away from little things and stuff like that and steer things better in their direction. You know, we sense the fact
we're talking about. You know, subscription page has come up with conversations quite
a bit over the last year, big time, because it's coming up morning now. It's really affecting people, or at least affecting consumers in mind.
It really is, because, you know, Cameron and I were talking off the air, A lot of calls coming into dealership are people who are realizing that their car really is a subscription pay service on their car, and they didn't realize it. When they first got the car. Everything seemed to work
okay, and thirty days later they're like, hey, something's wrong on my navigation system. I don't something's not working right. They didn't realize when they
rolled off the lot that everything on the dash worked, and that's because it was in trial right, right, Because it was in trial mode. Thirty
days later, the dash kind of goes blank, and you know, it's not working the way it used to. Things are different. You got used
to it for them, and they think something's broke. They're not broke.
It was in trial mode. And now if you really want it to work
the way it did when you left the dealership, now you've got to pay money. And they don't understand that, and or it was probably explained to
them, but they didn't fully comprehend there's just so much information. That's one
thing, information overload. That's right. When you buy a car, it's
information overload. And there's certain ways you can say thing. Hey, by
the way, this does has a subscription thing coming with it. Um,
coming with it, coming with it, coming with it. Yeah, that
comes with it. But you forgot that. They just said subscription. So
that's right with it, right, they it comes with it. It's you
think about it is that you know you have it, but you gotta pay the subscription for it, right, but they hear That's not how they're hearing it. They're selling it either, right. So I'll give you a perfect
example. So when we bought the new camera, it has a subscription service
that goes to it. Okay, I knew that, I know what that
is. I elect it not to use it, because when you plug into
your Apple phone, you everything, everything, everything, everything comes up on the screen and works off of your phone. So I didn't I wasn't worrying.
I'm a long time for that to get there too. Right. So
but here's the thing. You know, when you're you're already paying a subscription
service to your cell phone, so everything on the car works like a subscription service. All the features work off your phone because you're already paying for to
have your cell phone. And that's how I think that's the way it should
work. I think if you have a cell phone, that screen should work
because you're already paying to have a cell phones. That should work that way,
and that that would be smarter for car manufacturers to pair up with other manufacturs with cell phones. Today's you know they should care just on today date
mark my words. The updates that we get for our radio systems already updates,
my link, updates all that stuff. You know a little bit you
keep receiving the updates. I can already see them going just like some of
our services that we have for the radio show, where they'll be like now to get your updates, you have to pay a subscription fee to be able to get the most recent update, or you have to pay a one time fee. It's not gonna radio anymore. I knew it was coming. You're
gonna have to pay a fee for when they first introduced it and they were like, hey, we're just doing this because we want to be able to like make sure that you keep your car maintenance. So we just want to
send you updated maintenance and make sure that you remember to get your oil changed to your car. We're just gonna send you things on your screen that say,
hey, it's time for a tire rotation, it's time for oil change.
We're gonna send that. The dealerships is gonna send you this little reminders
to your little nice screen. I was like, right, I was like
when I knew that they were going to start doing that, I was like, this is going to turn somehow into some type of pay feature. I
know this is going to and sure enough, here we are. But imagine
that you bought your brand new car and you're driving down the road. You
got this nice, big screen and has all these great features, and on day thirty one, day thirty one, the screen just goes clink and stops working. You're like, oh, this is my brand new car. What's
going on? And then you call the dealership and the dealership goes, oh,
well, that was a paid subscription we told you about and you were just in your free trial. But I can't assist you because it's past that
thirty day. Because it's past that thirty day, and we and you know
that's not on us. You're gonna have now deal with the manufacturer, not
us, the dealership, because the manufacturer handles that and we wash our hands because that's I'm sorry, that's really not on us. Ownership now had a
thirty day you yea, when they were going to take care of you.
Now they you realize that they only had a thirty day after purchase protection.
That's where you bring the vehicle back after a month and then you say, hey, we'll take care of you. You know that wasn't supposed to happen.
We'll take care of you, right, But then after the thirty one thirty days, that thirty first day, that's right, everything shuts off on you and you're now you're dealing with the man. You're dealing with the manufactured
because the dealership washes their hands of you. So imagine that's the case.
I want to dive a little bit more into this when we come back.
Hold Tight. I gotta take a quickmocial break. I got some more on
this because I'm sure you guys didn't realize a lot of this is going on.
And it gets a little bit deeper because you're being forced and I'm gonna tell you how that's going to happen. Hold Tight, I'll be right back.
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welcome back to the show. So before we left, we are kind of
jumping into it just a little bit. Here's here's the thing. If you
really look at it at all, you know, and Nathaniel and I were kind of talking about it a little bit on another subject, but he really kind of brought it full circuit for me. You know, if I think
the auto manufacturers have kind of lost their way. Now, we were talking
about it in a different form on the commercial break, but he makes a valid point. It's got to the point, and I told you it was
going to get to this point, guys, where auto manufacturers are doing everything that they can to keep make a buck and keep money coming in. So
with going to subscription services, as I told you, and I warned you guys a while back, I really thought it was going to be going in that direction. You know, they're controlling everything. So did you guys see
where the automanufacturers are dumping AM radio in their cars? Yeah, now they
going to well I think they're gonna dump Sirius XM too, But they're they're gonna I think they eventually, hasn't been a long time. I think they're
gonna dump everything. I think essentially have a contract and that's basically why I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna jump the rope yet, but AM radio is the first thing they're gonna dump it here, and I think FM will be the next. I think all that will eventually get dumped out of cars. And
here's the reason why, as we know, we switched our platform. You
know what over a year ago. Yeah, people just don't use AM anymore.
People don't use AM, nobody's don't. People aren't listening a lot to
People aren't listening a lot to FM radio anymore either. A lot of people
are listening to internet radio because it interfaces with their phones and stuff inside their car. Now the cars are having a choice where they have internet radio available
inside their cars, okay, and people listen to that platform a lot more.
We learned that during COVID that internet radio and podcasts and stuff was coming really popular. So the car manufacturers are learning that if you provide that as
a setup inside the car, that's just a better option. People like it.
It's cleaner radio all around. It's just clean. It's just a cleaner
set up. It's a better listening. Um. That's the reason why,
right absolutely pushing into But now with that being the case and setting that up, it's gonna be a pay to play, right, So if they put if they get away from all that stuff, which is unfortunate because we just got to the point where car play was you know really well, you know it was for a while it was plug and play. Well, we have
an interface. Now we have an interface. Now you're gonna have to pay
pay for the interface. That's what it's gonna be. You're gonna pay for
the interface, and that's how they're gonna be able to control it. Because
here's the thing, a lot of people are keeping their cars longer once you pay it off. You know, you have to have money. You know,
you have to have money coming if they're going to keep it. So
the way to make money off, Let's make it sure. Let's make clear
it's not CarPlay that we're gonna pay for it. It's no manufacturers are making
their own interface. You're gonna pay for the interface. I think we talked
about this about a year ago, where all these electric vehicle companies were already selling the vehicles without a AM receiver. You know, so you had like,
um, you had Chevy, you had Audi, you had BM.
Dumb you wants to dump already wants to dump Apple play correct. Yeah,
yeah, Chevy wants to dump it two as well as Ford just released No.
Ford was when we talked about this a year ago. Ford was the
only person that was still keeping AM radio in their electric vehicle. Correct,
now they want to dump now they want to dump it, except in their commercial vehicles. Why why like commercial vehicles. I can well, here's the
thing here, I think the reason why because commercial vehicles. Uh, I
could be wrong. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight. A lot
of commercial vehicles drive long distances out in the middle of nowhere, and the only thing you're gonna get on receptional A lot of times AM radio. Maybe
that could be the reason why. And I could be wrong, But I
can remember like driving in the middle of nowhere and have suffered. Well,
Paul and I so perfect example, Hal and I we found country music because we were in the middle of nowhere one year in the summer and the only station him and I could get was a country radio station. That was it.
There was nothing else to get. And that's how him and I found
And I love this story because him and I learned and learned to love country music that year because it's the only station we get. I would have never
found country music probably in my life, in my heart and my soul without us finding it that year, you know what I mean, Like I just I wasn't I wasn't. Honestly, I wasn't. I wasn't really, you
know, I knew country music, but I didn't know all the songs and all the worst the country music. I want to hear something. Do you
know why EVS? I just looked this up. Do you know why EVS
dropped AM radios? All right, go ahead. The reason why EVS dropped
AM radios is because the electromagnetic interference from the batteries were affecting the AM receivers from receiving signals. That makes sense, Yeah, makes sense. I didn't
know about that. Well there's your answer. Learn something new every day.
There you go. But like I said, I mean it's so here's the
thing. We're so far apart it from so many things. You know,
So here you are in seven years. I've been telling you guys. So
within the seven year mark, they want to get rid of, you know, all your gasoline vehicles for the most part, they want to be at sixty percent EV vehicles. Okay, think about it. Seven years isn't very
far away, guys, seven years it's gonna go by like that. I
mean, it is seven years. So my question always is is why is
the government pushing so hard to tell us what it is we should drive.
There should be a choice for us, like, look, I'm all for it. You want to put ev vehicles out there, look, produce them,
put them out there. But then let the people make the choice what
it is they want to drive. Stop trying to push your agenda. Let
us decide what it is we want to drive. You can make them.
You can make them your Okay, there's no and you got millions of them, So to EVV cools. They pollute the earth too, because here's the
thing you can hold on hold. You can make them, you can produce
them, you can make the batteries. When those things fail, what are
you gonna do with the batteries? They have to go somewhere, So you're
equally producing the earth. By the way, well, you're just you're just
you're you're you're pushing it long term. Okay, you're just pushing the pebbles
somewhere else. Right, You're just you're just kicking the can down the road.
Man, it's all you're doing. You're kicking the can down the road.
It doesn't matter when you kick it. You're still kicking the can down
the road. It doesn't matter. Somebody is taking the pollution somewhere. It
doesn't matter where it is. But you're it's just the same can in a
different different form. It's a different it's the same can in a different form.
It's it's a different can that could be recycling at one point it can't though we don't know what we're gonna do with it. We don't. Now
here's the thing. But the amount of pollution to get the materials to make
it for an ev is it's ten folds over what we're doing right this second.
It just isn't comment on something I don't have, Well I have, so it is. I mean, it really is. That's and that's the
argument. Like I said, so it is the same can. You're just
kicking it down the road, just flick. So we're not really solving anything.
The problem with it is is we're always okay with taking pollution as long as we're taking it from somewhere else and it's not effect us. But but
we're all in the same climate. On top of that, what kind of
vehicles are you using to mind all of that from third world countries? You're
sure enough not using electric vehicles. Yeah, but let go back on my
track. You know, episodes before and stuff. It's more about like you're
getting everybody on one bandwagon instead of pushing so many things, you know, okay and stuff? You get everybody on one a right, So seven you
will agree, hold on, you'll agree that seven years? Okay? Right,
it's not far away, right? Agree? Do you really truly believe?
I truly believe that in seven years that we will have and be able to sustain a grid and a set up and everything within seven years. I
don't think to hold hold on to be able to hold sixty percent of EV vehicles in seven years. You think will truly be able to have a grid
set up in seven years? Yes? Yeah? Oh, you guys are
nuts. You guys have lost your mind. Ten years? Yeah, no,
not even in ten years? Hey wad Yeah, you don't let me
say. Do I think that we'll be able to maintain it in ten years?
Yes? Do I think that people will hop on the bandwagon in ten
years? No? Way. In seven years, we're not having a grid
set up. We're not gonna have enough pumping station, you know, not
pumping stations, but enough gas stations and stuff set up. Gas. It's
not gas, it's electric, it's I'm calling it a gas but electric.
Here's the thing, right, yeah, what are they going to call those?
Now? I don't know what they're gonna right, So with a gas
station, right, you gotta because you go on a gas station. So
look you guys, you know build it, right. It takes time to
build it and stuff you gotta take underneath to hold a game ass, right, and so you gotta have I got you, I got you. You
gotta have someone drop the gas off, right, it's up with electricity, you don't really never you're never going to be able to support it. But
you're just trying to switch on. Okay, you're pop, you're popping up
a couple electric how many that's why we have it in seven years? How
it's not because how many years? Okay, hold on power, you're okay,
you're just you're connecting it grid. Let's from Okay, So let's use
a big city just as a big city that's already having a power problem as it is. Let's just take California for instance. It's already having a power
issue, right, that may need another power Texas. Okay, let's just
take Texas. Let's say like, let's just take a city that's having a
power issue. How long does it take to build another large power plant to
be able to make that happen? How long do you think it's going to
take them to build another power plant doing what though? Just just doing it
to build more power for that city? Power plant though? Right? Huh?
What is the power plant? Nuclear? Are you going? There's any
type of power plant. Let's just say you're taking a power plant. Le
so they say you're taking a hydro power plant or something along that line or whatever. Right, I mean it's gonna take a little long time. How
many years you think? Okay, no, maybe maybe less. Primus say
ten. I'm much gonna say ten years, and take ten years from them
to build a plant. Okay, I mean because we're going out of time,
so let's finish this off because we gotta get out of here, guys.
But ten years, it's ten years just build a plant to send the power. So it takes ten years to send the power, to build a
plant, and they want seven years. You only built a plant. You
haven't built the gridge yet. On that note, years, it takes four
years. Okay. If it takes four years, you're still off. And
then you're going to hear the end of this. I gotta get out of
here. You guys, tell me what you guys think. Enjoy your weekend.
It is Saturday Sundays right around the corner. Make sure that you guys
unpluged, spend some time with your kids, play board game with them, take them to a car show. To love you for it. We're gonna
go ahead and get out of here. Thank you for tuning in. Check
out a stout on podcasts. We're out of here and I'll talk to you soon.
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