I Bought a New GR86 AND REGRET IT!
About this episode
Lars and the MartiniWorks crew kick off with their upcoming trip to Alt Race in Germany, debating how European car culture differs from USDM—especially the stricter TUV rules and the more “OEM+” mindset. The main rant follows: Lars regrets buying a new GR86, blaming a finicky clutch feel, annoying squeaky windows, and a power delivery that feels “dangerously slow” for the money. They also cover Lars’ E46 M3 brake/ABS delete issues, plus market talk about why new cars cost so much and why used bargains are harder to find. Sponsors and a featured Civic build thread round it out.
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Lars and his wife picked up a new Toyota GR86 and with all the hype around these cars, they were excited. However, it seems Lars has felt a lot of regret buying this car and believes theres quite a bit of options in a similar price range that would make more sense. What do you think? Do you love your GR86? Let us know! #cars #podcast #automotive
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Toyota Gazoo Racing (GR)
"We're going to be diving into some topics, kind of like why Lars and Fam picked up a GR86 and maybe hates it."
“GR” is Toyota’s performance brand. If a car has “GR” in the name, it usually means Toyota aimed it to be more fun and sporty to drive.
“GR” stands for Toyota Gazoo Racing, Toyota’s performance and motorsport branding. When a model is labeled GR (like the GR86), it typically signals Toyota tuned the car for driving feel, often with sport-oriented engineering and styling.
Alt Race
"We're heading to Alt Race. Lars, do you want to tell the people what Alt Race is if they don't know? ... I'm sure you've seen... people drifting around a stadium."
Alt Race is a big car event in Europe. It’s known for lots of cars showing up—often including drifting and famous older racing-style vehicles—usually in a stadium setting.
Alt Race is described as a major auto show/car-club event based out of Poland, known for hosting large gatherings around stadium settings. The hosts mention drifting and classic European motorsport cars being displayed, which helps listeners understand the vibe and why it’s a destination event.
drifting around a stadium
"I'm sure you've seen, everybody who's listening to this has seen their clip somewhere of people drifting around a stadium or some of these old European icons of motorsports just being displayed at a show."
Drifting is when a driver makes the car’s back end slide on purpose while still steering through the turn. Stadium events are popular for it because it’s easy for crowds to see the action.
Drifting is a driving technique where the car is intentionally steered so the rear end slides while the driver maintains control and angle through a turn. Doing it around a stadium setting is common for big show events because it creates a dramatic, spectator-friendly spectacle.
European car culture
"and to just see European car culture is going to be sick. It's so different, it's something new. Yeah, it's exciting because we don't talk about it much."
They’re talking about how car fans in Europe do things differently than they’re used to. It’s not just about the cars—it’s about the whole scene and community.
“European car culture” here is about the differences in how enthusiasts in Europe gather, modify, and celebrate cars compared with the hosts’ usual Japanese-car-focused conversations. It’s a cultural contrast that helps explain why the trip and event attendance matter beyond just the cars themselves.
Japanese cars
"We have a big affinity for Japanese cars, generally speaking. Obviously, a bunch of us have European cars and we love that culture just as much, but we don't get to talk about it much"
They’re saying they really like Japanese cars. That usually means they enjoy how they drive and how easy it is to find parts and support for them.
The hosts mention a “big affinity for Japanese cars,” which frames their perspective and why the GR86 purchase and their usual interests are relevant. Japanese-car enthusiasm often emphasizes reliability, driving feel, and a large aftermarket ecosystem.
Le Mans
"Alex went for Le Mans a couple of times and some of his stuff, but yeah, I'm very excited to share that culture and to go back where I came from and explore some of that."
Le Mans is a super famous long-distance race where cars have to keep going for a full day. It’s a big deal in racing, especially for European car fans.
Le Mans refers to the famous 24-hour endurance race held in France, known for testing cars and drivers over long durations. Mentioning it signals the host’s exposure to top-tier European motorsport culture.
JDM
"that that would be like bringing some crazy JDM car to America? That's what I thought about a little bit."
JDM means “Japanese cars sold in Japan.” People use it to describe cars that are especially interesting or hard to find outside Japan.
JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market, meaning cars and trims that were originally sold in Japan. In enthusiast talk, it often implies rarity outside Japan and a strong connection to Japanese tuning culture.
USDM
"USDM, Golf Harlequin, that's crazy."
USDM just means a car version made for the U.S. market. Enthusiasts use it to talk about what’s “normal” in America versus what’s common elsewhere.
USDM stands for U.S. Domestic Market—cars and versions that were originally sold in the United States. It’s used by enthusiasts to distinguish U.S.-spec cars from Japanese (JDM) or European (often Euro-spec) variants.
Polo
"Or they'd be like, get that out of my country. I hate this. Bring me a Polo."
The Polo is a small Volkswagen hatchback that’s popular in Europe. They’re saying Europeans might react by wanting something familiar instead of a rare North-American-only car.
The Volkswagen Polo is a small European-market hatchback that’s common across Europe. The speaker contrasts it with the Gulf-livery car to illustrate how different regions have different “normal” models.
car shipped there for the show
"And there's people have their car shipped there for the show. I've seen Hawaii plates and all that out there."
Moving a car for an event usually means paying for transport and dealing with paperwork, not just driving it somewhere. It can get really expensive and complicated when it’s across oceans. The host is highlighting how far people will go to get their car to the right place for a show.
Shipping a car internationally for a show (or filming) is a major logistics and cost factor, especially for performance cars. It typically involves transport booking, customs paperwork, insurance, and timing the move around the event schedule. The host’s point is that some people go to extreme lengths—like moving cars from Hawaii to Europe—to make content happen.
Hawaii to Europe is an insane trip for a car
"So Hawaii to Europe is an insane trip for a car. That's about as far as it gets."
Shipping a car from Hawaii to Europe is a huge trip, not a simple “send it” situation. It usually means ocean transport and lots of paperwork. The host is basically saying it’s one of the most extreme shipping routes you can do.
International car transport from Hawaii to Europe is unusually complex because it involves long-distance ocean shipping plus customs clearance in the destination country. The farther and more cross-border the route, the more you’re exposed to delays, insurance costs, and import/export rules. The host is using this as a reality check for how intense car shipping can be.
NSX
"I think it was like an NSX. But yeah, so I wonder if there's a story behind that."
The Honda NSX is a famous Honda supercar. The host is basically saying that even cars like an NSX can end up being shipped to places like Europe for events or filming. It’s an example of how big and expensive international car transport can be.
The Honda NSX is a mid-engine supercar known for its advanced engineering and, in modern form, hybrid assistance. In this segment it’s used as an example of a car that could be shipped to a far-away location for a show or shoot. The key takeaway is the logistics and cost of moving high-value cars internationally.
Life hack for importing cars
"So kind of a pro tip. Life hack for importing cars. Join the military and go move somewhere"
The host is talking about a way some military families can bring a car back from overseas more easily than regular people. It’s like a “hack” because the move is part of their assignment, and the shipping can be covered or discounted. It’s not something everyone can do, but it’s why some cars end up back in the U.S.
The segment describes a common “military move” import strategy: when service members are stationed overseas, they may be able to ship a personal vehicle back to the U.S. under military relocation benefits. This can reduce or eliminate some costs compared with normal civilian import routes. It’s not a universal loophole, but it’s a real reason some people end up importing cars this way.
OEM plus type things
"And to say that it's more OEM plus type things. It's less of the slanty wheels."
“OEM plus” means you don’t completely change the car. You keep the factory vibe, but add upgrades that make it a little better—like wheels, suspension, or small performance parts.
“OEM plus” describes a build philosophy where you keep the car’s factory character but improve it with tasteful, mostly bolt-on upgrades. The goal is to enhance drivability, stance, or comfort without turning the car into a full custom project.
slanty wheels
"It's less of the slanty wheels. It's less of the dumped on frames type of cars."
This sounds like a description of very aggressive wheel fitment—where the tires and wheels sit at a dramatic angle. It’s mostly about the look, and it can make the car less comfortable or less practical.
“Slanty wheels” is a casual way to describe an aggressive wheel/tire stance—often associated with heavy camber, stretched tires, or extreme fitment. In car-culture terms, it’s usually about visual style more than everyday usability.
dumped on frames type of cars
"It's less of the slanty wheels. It's less of the dumped on frames type of cars. With some exceptions, of course,"
This is basically describing cars that are lowered extremely. That can look cool, but it often makes the ride harsher and can cause problems like scraping and faster tire wear.
“Dumped on frames” refers to extreme lowering that can involve modifying suspension geometry and sometimes body/chassis clearance. The phrase implies a style that prioritizes stance, which can negatively affect ride quality, tire wear, and ground clearance.
owning a car in Europe
"I don't think we'll see much blending of that because people are more, owning a car in Europe, and I know in Germany specifically, is expensive."
They’re saying that in Europe—especially in Germany—having a car can be harder and more expensive. That affects what people do with their cars and how much they’re willing to modify them.
The segment contrasts American and European car culture by pointing out that car ownership costs and constraints can differ significantly across regions. In places like Germany, higher expenses and practical limitations can shape what kinds of modifications people choose.
Storage is really difficult there
"and I know in Germany specifically, is expensive. Storage is really difficult there. Insurance is difficult there."
If it’s hard to park or store a car, it changes how people live with cars. It can make it tougher to own multiple cars or work on them for long periods.
Limited storage (garages, driveway space, or parking availability) can strongly influence car culture and modification habits. If you can’t store a car easily, it’s harder to keep multiple vehicles, do long projects, or maintain a “project car” lifestyle.
Insurance is difficult there
"Storage is really difficult there. Insurance is difficult there. In Germany especially."
Insurance can be more expensive or complicated in some places. When that happens, people may choose cars and upgrades that are easier (and cheaper) to insure.
Insurance costs and underwriting rules can vary widely by country and can affect what cars people buy and how they modify them. Higher insurance friction often discourages risky or expensive-to-insure setups.
Getting your license isn't that hard
"Insurance is difficult there. In Germany especially. Getting your license isn't that hard"
How easy it is to get a driver’s license affects who’s driving. If more people can get licensed, you often see more cars on the road and different driving habits.
Driver licensing requirements influence the size and demographics of the driving population. If licensing is relatively accessible, you typically see more new drivers on the road, which can affect car culture, insurance risk pools, and what cars are common.
Autobahn license (different license for the Autobahn)
"And Germany has two different licenses, but you have to get a different one for the Autobahn from my understanding at least."
Germany can have different driving rules depending on where you’re driving. The Autobahn is special, so you may need the right kind of license or qualification to use it legally.
The Autobahn in Germany is famous for sections without a universal speed limit, but access and rules still depend on the type of driver licensing and local requirements. The hosts are describing how Germany may require a different license category/qualification to legally drive on the Autobahn at certain speeds or under certain conditions.
Mighty Car Mods
"I remember I watched a series by Mighty Car Mods where they went over there and they bought a Golf and they modified it."
Mighty Car Mods is a car show/channel that makes videos about modifying cars. The host is using it as an example of how people approach building and changing cars.
Mighty Car Mods is an automotive media channel known for entertaining, DIY-style car builds and modification projects. The host references their series as an example of a modifying perspective—especially relevant when discussing how rules like TÜV affect what can be changed.
Volkswagen Golf
"I remember I watched a series by Mighty Car Mods where they went over there and they bought a Golf and they modified it."
The Volkswagen Golf is a common small car that a lot of people modify. The point here is that the hosts are comparing how modifications work in different countries.
The Volkswagen Golf is a popular compact hatchback with a huge global enthusiast and modification community. The host cites Mighty Car Mods buying and modifying a Golf, using it as an example of how strict rules and inspection culture can shape what modifications are practical.
TÜV inspections
"Because there's the TUV, the TUV, where like when your car gets registered and you have to pass all these inspections and they're pretty strict about it."
TÜV is a German vehicle inspection. It’s where your car has to pass safety and emissions checks, and that can limit what kinds of mods you can legally run.
TÜV is Germany’s well-known inspection system that checks vehicles for roadworthiness and compliance with safety and emissions rules. When a car is registered or re-registered, it may need to pass TÜV inspections, which can strongly affect what modifications are legal and how strict the process is.
certification
"So even when you look at like aftermarket parts over there, a lot of times they're a lot more expensive because they have to have that certification so that way you can put it on your vehicle."
Some aftermarket parts have to be “approved” before you can legally put them on your car. That approval usually means they meet rules for safety and emissions.
Aftermarket parts often need certification to be legally installed and to meet emissions/safety requirements. That certification is what allows the part to be approved for use on a specific vehicle in a given market.
exhaust
"Yeah, yeah, definitely wheels exhausts. I know they're really rough on exhaust there."
The exhaust is the system that carries gases out of the engine. Changing it can affect emissions, so laws and regulations often limit what you can do.
Exhaust systems are frequently modified, but they’re also heavily regulated due to emissions. The speaker notes that some setups can be “rough” on exhaust, and that emissions requirements can drive restrictive factory packaging.
European spec cars
"And it's because of the emissions stuff that they have to cram up there in the European spec cars."
European versions of cars sometimes have to meet different pollution rules than cars sold in the U.S. That can change where parts like the exhaust can fit.
“European spec” refers to vehicles built to meet European regulations, which can differ from U.S. rules—especially for emissions. Those differences can affect how exhaust components are routed and packaged.
underground scene
"I really wanna know what kind of stuff there is and also the underground scene. And by that I mean, you know, like for example, in California or even Milwaukee, like here in Wisconsin, there are emissions rules."
The “underground scene” is basically people who do car mods that don’t follow local rules. The question is whether those mods will become more common when parts come from countries with looser regulations.
An “underground scene” refers to communities that develop and share modifications that may not be legal or may violate local emissions rules. The speaker is asking how much of that culture will show up when parts are imported from places with fewer restrictions.
emissions rules
"in California or even Milwaukee, like here in Wisconsin, there are emissions rules. You're not supposed to do a lot of the stuff that people do."
Different places have laws about pollution. Those laws can restrict changes like exhaust modifications, depending on where you live.
Emissions rules limit what modifications you can legally do, especially to exhaust and engine-related components. Different regions enforce these rules differently, which affects how common certain “underground” setups are.
LMP1
"So one of the icons, for example, is the LMP1 car that BMW made back in the day. I keep seeing it all over their website and every time I see it, I was like, God, I hope it's there."
LMP1 is a type of race car used in long-distance endurance races. Think “top-level prototype” built to run fast for hours at a time.
LMP1 is a prototype racing class (Le Mans Prototype) that historically represented the highest-performance, manufacturer-backed endurance cars. Cars in this class are designed for long stints, high-speed stability, and efficiency rather than short sprint racing.
DTM cars
"Any of the DTM cars, one of the Mercedes Evo would be sick. Any of the DTM cars, one of the Mercedes Evo would be sick."
DTM is a German racing series for cars that are based on production models. The race cars are heavily modified, but the series is a big part of German motorsport history.
DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters) is a German touring-car racing series known for highly developed race versions of production-based cars. Mentioning DTM cars signals the host is hoping to see iconic German racing machinery beyond just endurance prototypes and F1.
stanced out
"And the stuff that we don't get here, like one series wagons or like hatchbacks, I guess technically. There could be lots of wagons. Yeah, that's what I'm excited for too, is to see basically any car that was made there and we didn't get is what, especially like a Shirako, like a newer one, a Shirako art. Oh my God, if I see one stanced out, I'm gonna do a full photo shoot of that thing."
“Stanced out” usually means the car is lowered a lot and the wheels are fitted to look extra aggressive. People do it for the look, and it often takes suspension and wheel changes to pull off.
“Stanced out” refers to a modified car stance—typically very low ride height and often with wheels tucked or pushed for a specific look. It’s common in Japanese car culture and can involve suspension changes and wheel/tire fitment work. The host is excited to see one because it signals a particular style and level of modification.
pull inspiration from there
"But yeah, what I'm really gonna be eyeing up and looking for is I want to see how people modify their cars and maybe pull inspiration from there and just notes. I think it's really cool like getting to go to Japan"
They’re basically saying they want to copy ideas from other countries’ car scenes. By seeing real modified cars, they can figure out what kinds of changes look good and work well.
This is about using other markets’ car culture as a blueprint—seeing how people modify cars in Japan and then applying those ideas back home. It’s a common pattern in enthusiast scenes: local rules, parts availability, and tastes shape what modifications become popular. The host frames it as “notes” and perspective gained from seeing real builds.
Euro shows
"So I mean, I've always been a big fan of like Euro shows and stuff like that. And I feel like we get a little bit of that vibe here"
“Euro shows” refers to European car events and media that often emphasize different aesthetics and engineering priorities than US scenes. The host says they’ve liked that vibe, which suggests their taste in modifications is influenced by European styling and build culture. This helps listeners understand why Japanese and European car culture are both part of their inspiration pipeline.
brakes
"So we talked about the brakes for a long time, and we finally had a shop kind of help us finish that up. So that's all installed, ready to go."
They’re talking about brake work that got finished, and then how the brake pedal feels afterward. The pedal feels stiffer and higher than expected, so they want someone to adjust or check it.
The discussion centers on brake work being completed by a shop and then evaluating pedal feel afterward. The host describes the pedal as unusually stiff and positioned higher than before, which can indicate changes in brake hydraulics, pedal linkage, or system bleeding/adjustment.
ECU
"...the wheel speed sensor runs through the ABS module and then to like the ECU, is my understanding of it."
The ECU is the car’s main computer. It uses sensor information (like speed) to run different systems, so if the signal doesn’t reach it after removing ABS, some things (like the speedometer) won’t work.
ECU (engine control unit) is the car’s main computer that controls many functions beyond the engine, including using vehicle speed data for various systems. The host is describing how the wheel-speed signal is routed to the ECU through the ABS module, so removing ABS can break that data flow.
speedo
"With the ABS completely removed, that plug goes nowhere right now. And as a result, I noticed the speedo wasn't working,"
“Speedo” means the speedometer. They’re saying it stopped working after removing ABS, likely because the car lost the speed signal it normally uses.
“Speedo” is shorthand for the speedometer, which displays vehicle speed to the driver. The host notes the speedometer wasn’t working after ABS removal, consistent with the idea that the speed signal was dependent on the ABS module’s wiring path.
RPM
"So I can't rev past, I think it's 6,000 RPM. And it definitely feels like it's low on power."
RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. If the car won’t let it go past a certain RPM, it can feel like the engine is being “held back.”
RPM (revolutions per minute) is how fast the engine is spinning. When the host says they can’t rev past about 6,000 RPM, it implies an engine limiter or protective strategy that reduces power to prevent damage or to handle a sensor/fitment issue.
master cylinder
"it seems like most people that upgrade the brakes don't touch that system, like the actual master cylinder, the booster and all that stuff."
The master cylinder is the part that creates the brake pressure when you press the pedal. If you change other brake parts but not this, the brakes can feel wrong or behave oddly.
The master cylinder is the hydraulic “pump” that converts brake pedal force into pressurized brake fluid for the rest of the brake system. If you upgrade only calipers/rotors/pads but not the master cylinder/booster, you can end up with mismatched pedal feel, pressure ratios, or ABS behavior—especially in cars with advanced brake control.
booster
"like the actual master cylinder, the booster and all that stuff. They upgrade the calipers, rotors, pads, obviously."
The booster helps you push the brakes with less effort. If you only upgrade some brake parts, the pedal feel and braking behavior can still be off.
A brake booster amplifies the force from the brake pedal (often using vacuum or another assist method) so the driver can generate enough hydraulic pressure. Changing brake components without considering the booster can alter pedal effort and how the ABS/traction systems interpret braking events.
drift guys
"And I guess this is a freak thing that only like really drift guys are doing for the most part,"
Drifters are drivers who intentionally slide the car while keeping it controlled. The host is saying this problem is more common with drift-focused modifications than with normal street brake upgrades.
Drifting is a driving style where the car is intentionally rotated with slip angle while maintaining control, often requiring specialized brake and stability behavior. The host suggests the issue is mostly seen in drift setups, implying that certain brake-system configurations or control interactions are more common in that community.
ABS
"I've heard of people deleting ABS or keeping it vice versa. What are the benefits of not having ABS versus having it? ... I would never recommend anybody get rid of ABS."
ABS is a safety system that stops your wheels from locking up when you brake hard. That helps you keep control of the car and steer while you slow down.
ABS (anti-lock braking system) prevents the wheels from locking up during hard braking. When it senses wheel slip, it rapidly modulates brake pressure so you can keep steering control while stopping more effectively on many surfaces.
outbreak a car
"You're not going to outbreak a car with a good ABS system, again, if it's functioning properly."
They mean braking so aggressively that the car starts to lose control. ABS helps prevent the wheels from locking up, which makes it easier to stay stable.
“Outbreak” here means braking so hard that the car loses stability—typically by locking wheels or exceeding tire grip—before you can keep the vehicle controlled. A properly functioning ABS system helps reduce the chance of that by managing wheel slip during heavy braking.
front and rear brake bias
"Yeah, the other one is now I have a bias adjuster, so I'll be able to dial in front and rear brake bias between sessions."
Brake bias is how much of the braking happens in the front versus the back. Changing it can make the car feel more stable or more “twitchy” when you brake, depending on the setup.
Brake bias is the split of braking force between the front and rear axles. Adjusting it changes how the car behaves under braking—too much rear bias can promote instability, while too much front bias can reduce rear traction and overall braking balance.
bias adjuster
"Yeah, the other one is now I have a bias adjuster, so I'll be able to dial in front and rear brake bias between sessions."
A bias adjuster is a knob or device that changes how hard the front brakes and rear brakes work relative to each other. People use it to make the car brake the way they want on a track.
A brake bias adjuster lets you fine-tune the front-to-rear braking balance, usually by changing hydraulic pressure distribution. Track drivers use it to tailor braking feel and stability for different tires, brake temperatures, and track conditions.
load cell pedal (sim racing)
"[948.5s] ...is a Simrig. [949.8s] If you have a Simrig at home with a load cell pedal..."
A load cell pedal uses a sensor that measures force directly, producing a more realistic and consistent pedal feel compared with simpler potentiometer-style pedals. The host compares the GR86’s brake pedal behavior under ABS to the sensation of a load-cell sim rig, implying the pedal resistance changes in a way that feels “sim-like.”
wheel lockup
"[955.1s] ...the whole point of ABS... [976.9s] ...as you're locking up."
Wheel lockup happens when the tires stop rotating while braking, which dramatically reduces traction and steering ability. ABS reduces the chance of lockup by modulating brake pressure so the wheels keep turning near the limit of traction.
modulating
"[969.6s] Not really. [976.9s] ...It's just modulating that as you're locking up."
Modulating means the car keeps adjusting how hard the brakes are applied. ABS doesn’t just clamp the brakes and leave it—it changes pressure to keep the wheels from locking.
Modulating in this context means ABS continuously adjusts brake pressure during a stop. Instead of holding the brakes fully applied, it “pulses” pressure to keep the wheels from locking while still slowing the car.
caliper
"[970.6s] The ABS just kind of discot this... [974.7s] ...lets go of the caliper a little bit."
The caliper is the part that squeezes the brake pads onto the spinning brake disc. With ABS, the car can reduce that squeeze and then bring it back to help prevent wheel lock.
A brake caliper is the component that squeezes the brake pads against the rotor to create stopping force. In ABS operation, the system can relieve pressure so the caliper clamps less tightly, then reapplies pressure as needed to prevent lockup.
rotor
"[982.3s] ...measures rotation of the wheel relative to the rotor..."
The rotor is the spinning brake disc. ABS uses sensor data about wheel movement to decide when to ease off and reapply braking so the wheel doesn’t lock up.
A rotor (brake disc) is the spinning metal surface the brake pads clamp onto. ABS uses wheel-speed information (often from sensors) to infer when the wheel is approaching lockup relative to vehicle motion and braking demands.
wheel speed sensor
"The wheel speed sensor. Yeah, thank you. So it's just when those don't match, it just lets go a little bit."
A wheel speed sensor is a small sensor that tells the car how fast each wheel is spinning. If the readings don’t agree, the car may not know which wheel is slipping, so it can back off or change its safety help. That can make braking feel different, especially on slippery surfaces.
A wheel speed sensor measures how fast each wheel is rotating. ABS and traction control use those readings to detect slip; if the signals don’t match, the system may reduce or change braking/traction intervention. This is why sensor-related issues can affect how confidently you can brake and accelerate.
locking up
"So I think I'm more at risk of locking up for obvious reasons. So flat spotting tires is a big deal now."
Locking up is when a wheel stops spinning and starts sliding. Sliding tires don’t grip the road as well, and it can also damage the tire. Cars with ABS try to prevent this by pumping or modulating the brakes.
“Locking up” means a wheel stops rotating while the car is still moving, usually during hard braking. When that happens, the tire stops providing optimal grip and can skid, increasing stopping distance and risk of flat spotting. ABS is designed to prevent lockup by modulating brake pressure.
flat spotting tires
"So flat spotting tires is a big deal now. So I'm going to have to completely rely on how to drive the car."
Flat spotting is when a tire locks and slides instead of rolling. The tire gets a worn “flat” patch, which can make the car shake and feel less stable. It’s a big deal because it can also hurt the tire’s grip and lifespan.
Flat spotting happens when a tire locks up and skids on the road, leaving a temporary “flat” area. That can cause vibration, reduced grip, and longer-term tire damage if it’s severe or repeated. It’s especially relevant when braking systems or traction control behavior changes, because lockup becomes more likely.
Continental Tires
"OK, well, we'll hop into our first sponsor, which is Continental Tires. Head on over to Martina Works. Use the filter. See what tires are for your car."
Continental Tires is a well-known tire brand. The sponsor is basically saying: use their website to pick tires that fit your car. The right tires can make a big difference in how well the car stops and sticks to the road.
Continental is a major tire manufacturer, and they produce performance and touring tires for many car models. In this segment, the sponsor is pointing listeners to a tire-selection tool to find tires matched to their specific vehicle. Tire choice matters because tire compound and tread design strongly affect grip, braking, and heat behavior.
Extreme Contact Sport 02 DWS06 plus
"They have the Extreme Contact Sport 02 DWS06 plus. And then if you want to get way, way, way, way ahead of the game... But the ECSO2, another one of my absolute favorite tires, very universal... it's the perfect car enthusiast tire..."
This is a type of tire made by Continental. It’s meant to work well in a lot of conditions—dry roads, rainy weather, and even light winter snow—so you don’t have to swap tires as often. The host likes it because it feels confident for everyday driving and for more aggressive driving too.
The “Extreme Contact Sport 02” (DWS06 Plus) is a performance all-season tire from Continental. It’s designed to balance dry grip, wet traction, and winter capability, which is why the host calls it a “universal” enthusiast tire. The “plus” version typically indicates an updated tread compound/structure for improved performance and longevity.
Viking Contact 8s
"...get some Viking Contact 8s, the new winter tire that they dropped not too long ago. That's thinking ahead. But man, dude, those are some of my favorite tires I've ever used. They're unbelievable in the snow."
This is a winter tire model made by Continental. Winter tires are built to grip better when it’s cold and when roads are covered with snow or slush. The host is saying it performs really well in snow.
“Viking Contact 8” is a winter tire model from Continental, positioned as a newer release in the host’s pitch. Winter tires use softer rubber and tread designs that stay effective in cold temperatures, improving traction on snow and slush. The host emphasizes that it’s especially strong in snow compared with typical all-season tires.
autocross event
"If you're going to go do some spirited driving, you're good. Got an autocross event for the weekend. Guess what? Still good. It's just universal for car enthusiasts."
Autocross is a timed driving event where you drive a course made with cones. You’re turning and accelerating a lot, so the tires really affect how well you can control the car. The host is saying their tire choice still works for that kind of driving.
Autocross is a motorsport where drivers complete timed laps on a closed course marked out with cones, usually on a parking lot or similar surface. Tires matter a lot because repeated hard cornering and quick direction changes demand strong grip and predictable behavior. That’s why the host is arguing that the tire choice works for both daily driving and autocross.
four-runner
"So M had a four-runner. I was like her car. Nice. And being around the whole group and everything, right? Like, the four-runner didn't really make any sense anymore."
The 4Runner is Toyota’s rugged SUV. Here they’re saying they had one before, but it no longer fit their needs and it felt too pricey.
The Toyota 4Runner is a body-on-frame SUV that’s popular for durability and off-road capability. In this discussion, it’s used as the prior vehicle context—switching away from the 4Runner because it “didn’t really make any sense anymore,” and because it was expensive for what it offered.
ownership context (switching vehicles because it "didn't really make any sense anymore")
"Like, the four-runner didn't really make any sense anymore. And frankly, the four-runner was really expensive for what it was."
They’re talking about how a car can stop making sense once your life changes. Even if it was a good choice before, it might not match what you need now.
This is a classic “vehicle fit” decision: people buy a car based on how it matches their lifestyle, not just specs. When circumstances change (group needs, usage patterns, cost), a previously sensible choice can become impractical, even if the vehicle itself is well-regarded.
automatic
"[1186.5s] And I'm like, OK, we can look at them, [1188.8s] but we're not getting an automatic. [1190.4s] Because I will not be that person who shows up at a car [1192.6s] thing with an automatic GRD6 and be laughed out of the area."
They’re talking about whether the car has an automatic transmission or a manual. They’re saying they’d rather have the manual, because they don’t want to be judged for choosing the automatic.
“Automatic” refers to a transmission that shifts for you, as opposed to a manual gearbox where the driver selects gears. The speaker is emphasizing a preference for manual driving identity with the GR86, implying they don’t want to be seen as choosing the less “enthusiast” option.
manual car
"So she's like, that's fine. We can learn, right? She's never owned a manual car before."
A manual car is one where you shift gears yourself using a clutch. If you’ve never driven one before, it can take practice—especially when it’s cold.
A “manual car” uses a clutch pedal and a gearbox where the driver selects gears. The host’s story is that the person buying/learning had never owned a manual before, which matters because learning can be harder in cold weather and can affect confidence and driving habits.
winter tire thing
"And you love it so much. The winter tire thing was a struggle for a while there. And we talked about ice racing the M5."
Winter tires are made to grip better when it’s cold, snowy, or icy. The host is saying dealing with them was difficult for a while.
“Winter tires” are specialized tires designed for cold temperatures, with rubber compounds and tread patterns that provide better grip in snow and ice than all-season tires. The host says this was a struggle, which is common when switching tires seasonally or when traction is limited.
ice racing
"The winter tire thing was a struggle for a while there. And we talked about ice racing the M5. And I broke that."
Ice racing means driving on frozen ground where the tires can’t grip well. It’s easy to lose control, so it’s something that needs a lot of caution and preparation.
Ice racing is driving on frozen surfaces where traction is extremely limited, requiring careful throttle/brake inputs and often specialized tires and setups. In this segment, it’s brought up as something they discussed doing with the BMW M5, emphasizing how winter conditions can lead to risky driving.
clutch release
"There's something about that manual, the clutch release, or the way it's geared. I don't know. It is impossible to drive that car at a normal speed without lurching it around or riding the clutch."
Clutch release is the feel and timing of how the clutch engages as you let the pedal out. Small differences in clutch bite point and pedal/actuator calibration can make a car easy or difficult to drive smoothly without jerking or riding the clutch.
riding the clutch
"It is impossible to drive that car at a normal speed without lurching it around or riding the clutch. There's something about it. Weird."
Riding the clutch is when you don’t fully let the clutch go while you’re moving. It can make the car feel smoother, but it can also wear out the clutch faster.
Riding the clutch means keeping the clutch partially engaged while driving, instead of fully releasing it. It can cause extra wear and heat, and it often shows up when a driver is trying to smooth out poor low-speed engagement.
clutch needs to be worn in
"[1292.5s] Brand new car. [1293.1s] So I thought maybe the clutch needs to be worn in. [1295.1s] In fairness, it has gotten better."
A clutch is the part that lets you smoothly start moving and shift gears. Some people think a brand-new clutch needs time to “settle in,” so it feels smoother after a while.
“Clutch break-in” is the idea that a new clutch can feel different at first and may improve as friction material beds in. In practice, some drivability changes can happen early, but persistent issues after break-in can also point to technique, adjustment, or a mechanical problem.
first to second
"[1297.1s] But there's still something about leaving this parking lot [1300.2s] at the shop here. [1301.5s] Going from first to second, it just feels like, oh my god."
Going from first to second is the first shift most people make when they start driving. If that shift feels rough or weird, it can make the whole car feel harder to drive smoothly.
Shifting from first to second is one of the most common “feel” points in a manual car because it involves low-speed torque and careful clutch engagement. If it feels jerky, notchy, or inconsistent, it can indicate clutch/engagement characteristics, drivetrain behavior, or simply the driver’s technique at low speeds.
torque
"[1323.6s] like north of 300 horsepower. [1325.4s] So maybe it's just a complete lack of torque [1327.2s] that I'm experiencing. [1329.0s] And they do lack that a bit."
Torque is what makes a car pull and move without needing to rev super high. If a car has less torque where you’re shifting, it can feel like you have to be more precise with the clutch and gas.
Torque is the twisting force an engine produces, and it strongly affects how easily a car accelerates at low speeds and how forgiving it feels in a manual transmission. The host suggests their experience may be due to “a complete lack of torque,” meaning the engine might not pull as strongly at the RPM where they’re shifting.
GR86
"It got to the point where I actually joined some of the GR86 pages on Facebook and stuff and started browsing. And it's reported often. Like people talk about it a lot."
The GR86 is a small sports car that’s meant to be fun to drive, especially with a manual transmission. Here, the speaker is saying the clutch behavior felt “off,” and other owners talk about it online.
The GR86 is the Toyota/Subaru joint sports coupe (Toyota calls it GR86) built around a manual-transmission driving experience. In this segment, the host is discussing a perceived clutch feel issue that people commonly discuss in GR86 communities and how it might be addressed.
clutch delay valve
"And the fix, apparently, is like a clutch delay valve that every modern manual car has. But the M2 had that. And it never bothered me there."
Some manual cars use a small valve in the clutch system to make the clutch engage more smoothly. If that valve’s behavior doesn’t match what you expect, the clutch can feel weird or delayed.
A clutch delay valve is a hydraulic component used on many modern manual cars to soften or slow clutch engagement. It can change the feel of the clutch pedal and how quickly the clutch grabs, which may contribute to “funky” or inconsistent engagement for some drivers.
all weather tires
"As it's getting, I'm driving in winter, right? Obviously, we put all weather tires, the new secure contact tires on there. And I'm having fun with the car."
All-weather tires are tires meant to work in more seasons, including cold and some snow. The speaker says these tires helped the car feel better when driving in winter.
All-weather tires are designed to provide usable traction across a wider range of temperatures and conditions than traditional summer tires, often including light snow capability. In this segment, the host credits switching to all-weather tires for making winter driving more fun and predictable.
drifting every corner
"I'm just drifting every corner. I'm in a blast. And then suddenly, everything starts to squeak."
Drifting is when the car’s rear slides while you’re turning. On ice, grip is low, so it’s easier to lose traction and the car can feel like it’s working harder.
“Drifting every corner” is a driving technique where the car is intentionally rotated so the rear slips while you maintain control through the turn. Doing it on icy or low-traction surfaces can make noises and vibrations more noticeable because the chassis and suspension are working harder.
windows squeak
"This is a legit issue with this car. The windows squeak. The windows just squeak. And it's not like. These windows are atrocious."
They’re describing a squeaky sound from the car’s windows. It’s usually related to how the window slides in its track, and cold weather or dirt can make it worse.
“Windows squeak” refers to an audible squealing noise coming from the side windows as they move or as the car flexes in motion. These noises are often caused by window channel/guide friction, weather-related changes, or debris/contamination on the glass and seals.
mechanism itself
"And apparently, it's it's something with the actual like rail themselves or like the mechanism itself. Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too."
If they think it’s the mechanism, they mean the actual moving parts inside the system. That’s different from a loose panel—because the noise is coming from how the parts move.
When a noise is traced to “the mechanism itself,” it usually means the sound isn’t just from a loose cover or trim piece, but from a moving assembly. That can include things like latch/hinge systems, guides, or other internal hardware that can chirp or rattle when conditions change.
moisture
"Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too. So that that that's a thing. And I know that not most people like a lot of people, you know,"
Moisture and cold weather can make car parts act differently. That can lead to extra squeaks or chirping noises that you don’t notice in warm, dry conditions.
Moisture can contribute to noises and rattles by affecting how components behave—especially in cold conditions. When parts expand/contract or when surfaces don’t stay properly lubricated, moisture can worsen squeaks, chirps, or other intermittent sounds.
cold temperatures affecting noises
"Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too. So that that that's a thing. And I know that not most people like a lot of people, you know,"
When it’s cold, some car parts shrink or move differently. That can make annoying noises show up—especially if something is already slightly loose or sensitive.
Cold weather can change clearances, stiffness, and lubrication behavior, which can make squeaks, rattles, and chirps more likely. Many “mystery noises” show up or get worse in winter because materials contract and mechanisms don’t move the same way as they do when warm.
dangerously slow
"It is like in some cases, it feels dangerously slow... No, like it's dangerously slow. There might be actually something fucked with your car..."
“Dangerously slow” is a driver’s perception that the car can’t accelerate quickly enough for safe merging or passing. In this context, it’s tied to the host’s experience of pressing the gas and getting little response until they downshift and rev higher.
on ramp
"I have to put like to get on an on ramp, to get on the highway, for example... I put my foot down that nothing happens."
An on-ramp is where you speed up to join the highway. The speaker is saying the car struggles to accelerate when they need it most.
An on-ramp is the merging lane where you accelerate to match highway traffic speed. The speaker uses it as an example of how the car feels dangerously slow when they need quick acceleration.
second gear
"So like, I have to go to second gear and flog it. Now it's out of break in finally."
Second gear is a lower gear that helps the car pull harder. The speaker is saying they can’t get moving normally unless they shift down.
Second gear is a lower gear that typically provides more torque multiplication than higher gears. The speaker says they have to drop to second and “flog it” to get the car moving, suggesting the car isn’t building speed as expected in higher gears.
break-in
"So like, I have to go to second gear and flog it. Now it's out of break in finally. I can rev the thing out to like 7000 RPM or something..."
Break-in is the early period after buying a new car where components are expected to seat and wear in. The speaker implies the car feels weak until break-in is complete, which can happen if the engine management is limiting performance or if the driver is still learning how the car responds.
Scion Frs
"...etting like, I don't know. I because so I had my FRS for many years and obviously did a few mods and ..."
The FR-S is a small sports car designed to be fun and easy to drive. It’s known for being a good base for upgrades and modifications. The podcast mentions it because the speaker had one for a long time and changed it over time.
The Scion FR-S is a compact sports coupe known for being lightweight and fun, with a focus on driver engagement. It’s often discussed by owners because it’s a popular platform for modifications and personal tuning. In the podcast, it’s referenced as something the speaker owned for many years and modified.
tune
"...got like the tune for it with like the header and all that kind of stuff to balance out the torque dip..."
A tune is software changes for the car’s computer. It can help the engine run better with modifications so the power feels smoother and more usable.
A tune is an ECU calibration change that adjusts fuel, ignition, and other parameters to match modifications and desired drivability. Here, the host ties the tune to supporting changes like a header to improve how the engine delivers torque.
Subaru BRZ
"So the the first gen like the FRS is BRZ and then the Toyota 86 is before it was a GR 86..."
The Subaru BRZ is a sporty Subaru coupe that’s closely related to the FRS/86. The speaker brings it up because the earlier cars had a torque delivery that didn’t feel as strong low down.
The Subaru BRZ is the sibling car to the Scion FRS/ Toyota 86 platform, built around a similar boxer-engine layout and lightweight balance. Here, it’s mentioned as part of the “first gen” comparison that the host says had a problematic torque curve.
FA 20
"...a GR 86 had the FA 20, which was a two liter four cylinder boxer. The new ones have the FA 24..."
FA 20 is the name of the older 2.0-liter engine used in the earlier BRZ/FRS/86. The speaker is saying it didn’t feel strong where you want it most, especially at lower revs.
FA 20 refers to Toyota/Subaru’s 2.0-liter flat-four boxer engine used in the first-gen FRS/BRZ/86. The host says it had an “atrocious torque curve,” meaning the engine didn’t make usable torque in the low end the way drivers expect.
boxer
"...the FA 20, which was a two liter four cylinder boxer. The new ones have the FA 24, which is a 2.4 liter four cylinder boxer."
A boxer engine is an engine layout where the cylinders sit opposite each other like a flat shape. The speaker mentions it because the GR 86 and earlier twins use this same basic engine style.
A boxer engine is a horizontally opposed “flat” engine where the pistons move in opposite directions. In this context, the host is using it to describe the FA 20/FA 24 family, which helps explain why these cars have a distinct feel and packaging.
FA 24
"The new ones have the FA 24, which is a 2.4 liter four cylinder boxer. And it did essentially get rid of the atrocious torque curve..."
FA 24 is the newer 2.4-liter flat-four boxer engine used in the GR 86. In this segment, the host credits the FA 24 with smoothing out the earlier car’s torque curve so the car feels stronger and more immediate, even stock.
fun economy car
"I started thinking about this car more as like a fun economy car than like a slow sports car... Looks really good... comfortable to drive in like daily... complete lack of power and really good fuel efficiency..."
It means the car is enjoyable even though it’s not very fast. You’re focusing on things like comfort and how easy it is to live with, not just speed.
“Fun economy car” is a mindset shift: instead of judging a car by acceleration or horsepower, you judge it by how enjoyable it is to drive day-to-day. The host is framing the GR86 as something you enjoy for comfort, usability, and driving feel, even if it lacks strong power.
Toyota Camry
"... Sure, like I think of it more like a real drive Camry or Corolla, whatever the smaller one is."
The Camry is a regular, everyday Toyota sedan. It’s built to be comfortable and practical for commuting and errands. People mention it when they’re talking about a straightforward, normal driving feel.
The Toyota Camry is a mainstream midsize sedan focused on comfort, practicality, and reliable daily driving. It’s often used as a benchmark for what “real driving” feels like in a sensible, comfortable package. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a reference point for the kind of driving experience someone expects from another car.
Toyota Corolla
"...ike I think of it more like a real drive Camry or Corolla, whatever the smaller one is."
The Corolla is a small, everyday car from Toyota. It’s designed to be easy to live with and efficient for daily driving. People bring it up when they mean a normal, practical driving experience.
The Toyota Corolla is a compact car known for being practical, efficient, and widely available. It’s commonly discussed as a “sensible” choice and as a baseline for everyday driving characteristics. In the podcast, it’s referenced alongside the Camry to describe the kind of normal, real-world driving feel someone is comparing against.
stock
"Like and I think the other part of that is there's two more. Number one, stock, again, my car is completely stock. It's a brand new car."
“Stock” means the car is still set up the way the factory built it. That matters because changing things like the exhaust can change how loud and how “alive” the car feels.
“Stock” means the car is in factory configuration, with no aftermarket modifications. Here, the host emphasizes that their GR86 is completely stock and brand new, which matters because exhaust and intake changes can strongly affect sound and perceived character.
Subaru engine
"I hear nothing like for a car that's built around a Subaru engine, especially, right, and they sound incredible with the right with the right exhaust setups."
The GR86’s engine is related to Subaru’s boxer-engine design. That layout can affect how the engine runs and how it sounds compared with more common engine shapes.
The GR86 uses a boxer engine design developed with Subaru, which is why the host refers to it as “built around a Subaru engine.” Boxer engines have a distinctive layout that can influence balance, packaging, and how the engine sounds and feels.
sound symposer
"Which is crazy, too, because they have like that sound symposer and stuff in it to like feed intake noise into the cabin. So it's like, again, I know I'm used to a specific brand."
A sound symposer is a system that helps make the engine sound louder or more noticeable inside the cabin. The host is saying their car doesn’t seem to be doing that the way they expected.
A “sound symposer” (often called an active sound system) uses speakers and engine/road noise signals to add or shape what you hear inside the cabin. The host is surprised there’s “no noise at all,” especially because these systems are designed to feed intake/engine character into the car.
BMW
"Yeah, and maybe maybe it's literally just a case of I'm used to how BMW builds their cars and especially how M builds their cars nowadays."
The host is comparing the GR86 to BMW because they’re used to how BMW makes the car feel and sound. They’re saying the GR86 doesn’t match that expectation.
BMW is referenced as a brand whose cars the host is used to, particularly how they deliver sound and overall driving feel. The implication is that BMW’s “engine character” and cabin experience set expectations that the GR86 doesn’t match for this listener.
M
"...I'm used to how BMW builds their cars and especially how M builds their cars nowadays."
“M” is BMW’s performance brand. The host is saying they’re used to how BMW M cars feel and sound, and that makes the GR86 feel different in comparison.
“M” refers to BMW M, the brand’s performance division known for tuning, chassis feel, and how the car communicates through sound and response. The host suggests BMW M’s modern approach to driving feel is part of why they’re noticing the GR86’s different power delivery and cabin noise.
sports car vibes
"I just it doesn't give me sports car vibes when I drive that car."
“Sports car vibes” is a subjective way enthusiasts describe the overall driving experience—how responsive, engaging, and confidence-inspiring the car feels. In this discussion, it’s used to contrast the GR86’s stock character versus what the hosts expect from a sports car.
modifications
"OK, I do think that the modifications are required to enjoy it. I do. I do think that I agree with you."
“Modifications” are changes you make to a car after you buy it—like parts you swap or tune. The point here is that they think the GR86 might feel better with upgrades.
In car enthusiast context, “modifications” means aftermarket changes to improve how the car drives, sounds, or performs. The hosts are arguing that the GR86 may require modifications to deliver the kind of engagement they expect from a sports car.
one owner lease car
"It was a one owner car was a lease car had like sixteen thousand miles or thirteen thousand miles on it when I picked it up."
A “one owner lease car” typically means the vehicle was owned by a single person (often a company) and used under a lease agreement, then returned and sold. Low-mileage lease returns can be attractive because they may have been maintained consistently, but you still want to verify service history and condition.
Out-the-door price
"I paid sixteen thousand dollars out the door with it. See, it's that made sense."
Out-the-door price is what you actually hand over at the end—after taxes and fees. It helps you compare deals fairly.
“Out-the-door” (OTD) price is the total you pay to take the car home, including the sticker price plus taxes, registration, and dealer fees. It’s a better comparison than MSRP because it reflects the real cost.
Entry-level budget base sports car
"They're like, here is an entry level budget base sports car that comes in at a really good price point and get a new platform... It's got the newer features in it, but it's it's it's simple and here it is."
They’re talking about the idea of a cheap sports car that’s still fun to drive. The goal is to make it affordable by keeping it simple, not by loading it with expensive extras.
The speaker is describing the strategy behind entry-level “base” sports cars: keep the car simple, affordable, and fun, while adding enough modern features to feel current. This often means fewer expensive options and a lighter, more straightforward ownership experience.
Aftermarket support
"Ton of aftermarket support to it. It was real drive. It was manual. It was fun."
Aftermarket support means other companies make upgrades for that car. If a car has a lot of aftermarket parts, it’s easier to modify it or fix things with options.
Aftermarket support means there are lots of third-party parts and accessories available—like wheels, suspension, exhaust, and tuning options—for that specific car platform. Strong aftermarket ecosystems make it easier (and often cheaper) to personalize and maintain performance.
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