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I Bought a New GR86 AND REGRET IT!

I Bought a New GR86 AND REGRET IT!

MartiniWorks Podcast Apr 24, 2026 72 min
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About this episode

Lars and the MartiniWorks crew kick off with their upcoming trip to Alt Race in Germany, debating how European car culture differs from USDM—especially the stricter TUV rules and the more “OEM+” mindset. The main rant follows: Lars regrets buying a new GR86, blaming a finicky clutch feel, annoying squeaky windows, and a power delivery that feels “dangerously slow” for the money. They also cover Lars’ E46 M3 brake/ABS delete issues, plus market talk about why new cars cost so much and why used bargains are harder to find. Sponsors and a featured Civic build thread round it out.

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Concept

Toyota Gazoo Racing (GR)

"We're going to be diving into some topics, kind of like why Lars and Fam picked up a GR86 and maybe hates it."

“GR” is Toyota’s performance brand. If a car has “GR” in the name, it usually means Toyota aimed it to be more fun and sporty to drive.

Topic

Alt Race

"We're heading to Alt Race. Lars, do you want to tell the people what Alt Race is if they don't know? ... I'm sure you've seen... people drifting around a stadium."

Alt Race is a big car event in Europe. It’s known for lots of cars showing up—often including drifting and famous older racing-style vehicles—usually in a stadium setting.

Concept

drifting around a stadium

"I'm sure you've seen, everybody who's listening to this has seen their clip somewhere of people drifting around a stadium or some of these old European icons of motorsports just being displayed at a show."

Drifting is when a driver makes the car’s back end slide on purpose while still steering through the turn. Stadium events are popular for it because it’s easy for crowds to see the action.

Concept

European car culture

"and to just see European car culture is going to be sick. It's so different, it's something new. Yeah, it's exciting because we don't talk about it much."

They’re talking about how car fans in Europe do things differently than they’re used to. It’s not just about the cars—it’s about the whole scene and community.

Concept

Japanese cars

"We have a big affinity for Japanese cars, generally speaking. Obviously, a bunch of us have European cars and we love that culture just as much, but we don't get to talk about it much"

They’re saying they really like Japanese cars. That usually means they enjoy how they drive and how easy it is to find parts and support for them.

Topic

Le Mans

"Alex went for Le Mans a couple of times and some of his stuff, but yeah, I'm very excited to share that culture and to go back where I came from and explore some of that."

Le Mans is a super famous long-distance race where cars have to keep going for a full day. It’s a big deal in racing, especially for European car fans.

Term

JDM

"that that would be like bringing some crazy JDM car to America? That's what I thought about a little bit."

JDM means “Japanese cars sold in Japan.” People use it to describe cars that are especially interesting or hard to find outside Japan.

Term

USDM

"USDM, Golf Harlequin, that's crazy."

USDM just means a car version made for the U.S. market. Enthusiasts use it to talk about what’s “normal” in America versus what’s common elsewhere.

Car

Polo

"Or they'd be like, get that out of my country. I hate this. Bring me a Polo."

The Polo is a small Volkswagen hatchback that’s popular in Europe. They’re saying Europeans might react by wanting something familiar instead of a rare North-American-only car.

Concept

car shipped there for the show

"And there's people have their car shipped there for the show. I've seen Hawaii plates and all that out there."

Moving a car for an event usually means paying for transport and dealing with paperwork, not just driving it somewhere. It can get really expensive and complicated when it’s across oceans. The host is highlighting how far people will go to get their car to the right place for a show.

Concept

Hawaii to Europe is an insane trip for a car

"So Hawaii to Europe is an insane trip for a car. That's about as far as it gets."

Shipping a car from Hawaii to Europe is a huge trip, not a simple “send it” situation. It usually means ocean transport and lots of paperwork. The host is basically saying it’s one of the most extreme shipping routes you can do.

Car

NSX

"I think it was like an NSX. But yeah, so I wonder if there's a story behind that."

The Honda NSX is a famous Honda supercar. The host is basically saying that even cars like an NSX can end up being shipped to places like Europe for events or filming. It’s an example of how big and expensive international car transport can be.

Concept

Life hack for importing cars

"So kind of a pro tip. Life hack for importing cars. Join the military and go move somewhere"

The host is talking about a way some military families can bring a car back from overseas more easily than regular people. It’s like a “hack” because the move is part of their assignment, and the shipping can be covered or discounted. It’s not something everyone can do, but it’s why some cars end up back in the U.S.

Concept

OEM plus type things

"And to say that it's more OEM plus type things. It's less of the slanty wheels."

“OEM plus” means you don’t completely change the car. You keep the factory vibe, but add upgrades that make it a little better—like wheels, suspension, or small performance parts.

Concept

slanty wheels

"It's less of the slanty wheels. It's less of the dumped on frames type of cars."

This sounds like a description of very aggressive wheel fitment—where the tires and wheels sit at a dramatic angle. It’s mostly about the look, and it can make the car less comfortable or less practical.

Concept

dumped on frames type of cars

"It's less of the slanty wheels. It's less of the dumped on frames type of cars. With some exceptions, of course,"

This is basically describing cars that are lowered extremely. That can look cool, but it often makes the ride harsher and can cause problems like scraping and faster tire wear.

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owning a car in Europe

"I don't think we'll see much blending of that because people are more, owning a car in Europe, and I know in Germany specifically, is expensive."

They’re saying that in Europe—especially in Germany—having a car can be harder and more expensive. That affects what people do with their cars and how much they’re willing to modify them.

Concept

Storage is really difficult there

"and I know in Germany specifically, is expensive. Storage is really difficult there. Insurance is difficult there."

If it’s hard to park or store a car, it changes how people live with cars. It can make it tougher to own multiple cars or work on them for long periods.

Concept

Insurance is difficult there

"Storage is really difficult there. Insurance is difficult there. In Germany especially."

Insurance can be more expensive or complicated in some places. When that happens, people may choose cars and upgrades that are easier (and cheaper) to insure.

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Getting your license isn't that hard

"Insurance is difficult there. In Germany especially. Getting your license isn't that hard"

How easy it is to get a driver’s license affects who’s driving. If more people can get licensed, you often see more cars on the road and different driving habits.

Concept

Autobahn license (different license for the Autobahn)

"And Germany has two different licenses, but you have to get a different one for the Autobahn from my understanding at least."

Germany can have different driving rules depending on where you’re driving. The Autobahn is special, so you may need the right kind of license or qualification to use it legally.

Company

Mighty Car Mods

"I remember I watched a series by Mighty Car Mods where they went over there and they bought a Golf and they modified it."

Mighty Car Mods is a car show/channel that makes videos about modifying cars. The host is using it as an example of how people approach building and changing cars.

Car

Volkswagen Golf

"I remember I watched a series by Mighty Car Mods where they went over there and they bought a Golf and they modified it."

The Volkswagen Golf is a common small car that a lot of people modify. The point here is that the hosts are comparing how modifications work in different countries.

Concept

TÜV inspections

"Because there's the TUV, the TUV, where like when your car gets registered and you have to pass all these inspections and they're pretty strict about it."

TÜV is a German vehicle inspection. It’s where your car has to pass safety and emissions checks, and that can limit what kinds of mods you can legally run.

Term

certification

"So even when you look at like aftermarket parts over there, a lot of times they're a lot more expensive because they have to have that certification so that way you can put it on your vehicle."

Some aftermarket parts have to be “approved” before you can legally put them on your car. That approval usually means they meet rules for safety and emissions.

Term

exhaust

"Yeah, yeah, definitely wheels exhausts. I know they're really rough on exhaust there."

The exhaust is the system that carries gases out of the engine. Changing it can affect emissions, so laws and regulations often limit what you can do.

Term

European spec cars

"And it's because of the emissions stuff that they have to cram up there in the European spec cars."

European versions of cars sometimes have to meet different pollution rules than cars sold in the U.S. That can change where parts like the exhaust can fit.

Concept

underground scene

"I really wanna know what kind of stuff there is and also the underground scene. And by that I mean, you know, like for example, in California or even Milwaukee, like here in Wisconsin, there are emissions rules."

The “underground scene” is basically people who do car mods that don’t follow local rules. The question is whether those mods will become more common when parts come from countries with looser regulations.

Term

emissions rules

"in California or even Milwaukee, like here in Wisconsin, there are emissions rules. You're not supposed to do a lot of the stuff that people do."

Different places have laws about pollution. Those laws can restrict changes like exhaust modifications, depending on where you live.

Concept

LMP1

"So one of the icons, for example, is the LMP1 car that BMW made back in the day. I keep seeing it all over their website and every time I see it, I was like, God, I hope it's there."

LMP1 is a type of race car used in long-distance endurance races. Think “top-level prototype” built to run fast for hours at a time.

Topic

DTM cars

"Any of the DTM cars, one of the Mercedes Evo would be sick. Any of the DTM cars, one of the Mercedes Evo would be sick."

DTM is a German racing series for cars that are based on production models. The race cars are heavily modified, but the series is a big part of German motorsport history.

Concept

stanced out

"And the stuff that we don't get here, like one series wagons or like hatchbacks, I guess technically. There could be lots of wagons. Yeah, that's what I'm excited for too, is to see basically any car that was made there and we didn't get is what, especially like a Shirako, like a newer one, a Shirako art. Oh my God, if I see one stanced out, I'm gonna do a full photo shoot of that thing."

“Stanced out” usually means the car is lowered a lot and the wheels are fitted to look extra aggressive. People do it for the look, and it often takes suspension and wheel changes to pull off.

Concept

pull inspiration from there

"But yeah, what I'm really gonna be eyeing up and looking for is I want to see how people modify their cars and maybe pull inspiration from there and just notes. I think it's really cool like getting to go to Japan"

They’re basically saying they want to copy ideas from other countries’ car scenes. By seeing real modified cars, they can figure out what kinds of changes look good and work well.

Concept

Euro shows

"So I mean, I've always been a big fan of like Euro shows and stuff like that. And I feel like we get a little bit of that vibe here"

“Euro shows” refers to European car events and media that often emphasize different aesthetics and engineering priorities than US scenes. The host says they’ve liked that vibe, which suggests their taste in modifications is influenced by European styling and build culture. This helps listeners understand why Japanese and European car culture are both part of their inspiration pipeline.

Term

brakes

"So we talked about the brakes for a long time, and we finally had a shop kind of help us finish that up. So that's all installed, ready to go."

They’re talking about brake work that got finished, and then how the brake pedal feels afterward. The pedal feels stiffer and higher than expected, so they want someone to adjust or check it.

Term

ECU

"...the wheel speed sensor runs through the ABS module and then to like the ECU, is my understanding of it."

The ECU is the car’s main computer. It uses sensor information (like speed) to run different systems, so if the signal doesn’t reach it after removing ABS, some things (like the speedometer) won’t work.

Term

speedo

"With the ABS completely removed, that plug goes nowhere right now. And as a result, I noticed the speedo wasn't working,"

“Speedo” means the speedometer. They’re saying it stopped working after removing ABS, likely because the car lost the speed signal it normally uses.

Term

RPM

"So I can't rev past, I think it's 6,000 RPM. And it definitely feels like it's low on power."

RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. If the car won’t let it go past a certain RPM, it can feel like the engine is being “held back.”

Part

master cylinder

"it seems like most people that upgrade the brakes don't touch that system, like the actual master cylinder, the booster and all that stuff."

The master cylinder is the part that creates the brake pressure when you press the pedal. If you change other brake parts but not this, the brakes can feel wrong or behave oddly.

Part

booster

"like the actual master cylinder, the booster and all that stuff. They upgrade the calipers, rotors, pads, obviously."

The booster helps you push the brakes with less effort. If you only upgrade some brake parts, the pedal feel and braking behavior can still be off.

Concept

drift guys

"And I guess this is a freak thing that only like really drift guys are doing for the most part,"

Drifters are drivers who intentionally slide the car while keeping it controlled. The host is saying this problem is more common with drift-focused modifications than with normal street brake upgrades.

Term

ABS

"I've heard of people deleting ABS or keeping it vice versa. What are the benefits of not having ABS versus having it? ... I would never recommend anybody get rid of ABS."

ABS is a safety system that stops your wheels from locking up when you brake hard. That helps you keep control of the car and steer while you slow down.

Term

outbreak a car

"You're not going to outbreak a car with a good ABS system, again, if it's functioning properly."

They mean braking so aggressively that the car starts to lose control. ABS helps prevent the wheels from locking up, which makes it easier to stay stable.

Term

bias adjuster

"Yeah, the other one is now I have a bias adjuster, so I'll be able to dial in front and rear brake bias between sessions."

A bias adjuster is a knob or device that changes how hard the front brakes and rear brakes work relative to each other. People use it to make the car brake the way they want on a track.

Term

front and rear brake bias

"Yeah, the other one is now I have a bias adjuster, so I'll be able to dial in front and rear brake bias between sessions."

Brake bias is how much of the braking happens in the front versus the back. Changing it can make the car feel more stable or more “twitchy” when you brake, depending on the setup.

Concept

load cell pedal (sim racing)

"[948.5s] ...is a Simrig. [949.8s] If you have a Simrig at home with a load cell pedal..."

A load cell pedal uses a sensor that measures force directly, producing a more realistic and consistent pedal feel compared with simpler potentiometer-style pedals. The host compares the GR86’s brake pedal behavior under ABS to the sensation of a load-cell sim rig, implying the pedal resistance changes in a way that feels “sim-like.”

Concept

wheel lockup

"[955.1s] ...the whole point of ABS... [976.9s] ...as you're locking up."

Wheel lockup happens when the tires stop rotating while braking, which dramatically reduces traction and steering ability. ABS reduces the chance of lockup by modulating brake pressure so the wheels keep turning near the limit of traction.

Term

modulating

"[969.6s] Not really. [976.9s] ...It's just modulating that as you're locking up."

Modulating means the car keeps adjusting how hard the brakes are applied. ABS doesn’t just clamp the brakes and leave it—it changes pressure to keep the wheels from locking.

Term

caliper

"[970.6s] The ABS just kind of discot this... [974.7s] ...lets go of the caliper a little bit."

The caliper is the part that squeezes the brake pads onto the spinning brake disc. With ABS, the car can reduce that squeeze and then bring it back to help prevent wheel lock.

Term

rotor

"[982.3s] ...measures rotation of the wheel relative to the rotor..."

The rotor is the spinning brake disc. ABS uses sensor data about wheel movement to decide when to ease off and reapply braking so the wheel doesn’t lock up.

Term

wheel speed sensor

"The wheel speed sensor. Yeah, thank you. So it's just when those don't match, it just lets go a little bit."

A wheel speed sensor is a small sensor that tells the car how fast each wheel is spinning. If the readings don’t agree, the car may not know which wheel is slipping, so it can back off or change its safety help. That can make braking feel different, especially on slippery surfaces.

Term

locking up

"So I think I'm more at risk of locking up for obvious reasons. So flat spotting tires is a big deal now."

Locking up is when a wheel stops spinning and starts sliding. Sliding tires don’t grip the road as well, and it can also damage the tire. Cars with ABS try to prevent this by pumping or modulating the brakes.

Concept

flat spotting tires

"So flat spotting tires is a big deal now. So I'm going to have to completely rely on how to drive the car."

Flat spotting is when a tire locks and slides instead of rolling. The tire gets a worn “flat” patch, which can make the car shake and feel less stable. It’s a big deal because it can also hurt the tire’s grip and lifespan.

Brand

Continental Tires

"OK, well, we'll hop into our first sponsor, which is Continental Tires. Head on over to Martina Works. Use the filter. See what tires are for your car."

Continental Tires is a well-known tire brand. The sponsor is basically saying: use their website to pick tires that fit your car. The right tires can make a big difference in how well the car stops and sticks to the road.

Part

Extreme Contact Sport 02 DWS06 plus

"They have the Extreme Contact Sport 02 DWS06 plus. And then if you want to get way, way, way, way ahead of the game... But the ECSO2, another one of my absolute favorite tires, very universal... it's the perfect car enthusiast tire..."

This is a type of tire made by Continental. It’s meant to work well in a lot of conditions—dry roads, rainy weather, and even light winter snow—so you don’t have to swap tires as often. The host likes it because it feels confident for everyday driving and for more aggressive driving too.

Part

Viking Contact 8s

"...get some Viking Contact 8s, the new winter tire that they dropped not too long ago. That's thinking ahead. But man, dude, those are some of my favorite tires I've ever used. They're unbelievable in the snow."

This is a winter tire model made by Continental. Winter tires are built to grip better when it’s cold and when roads are covered with snow or slush. The host is saying it performs really well in snow.

Concept

autocross event

"If you're going to go do some spirited driving, you're good. Got an autocross event for the weekend. Guess what? Still good. It's just universal for car enthusiasts."

Autocross is a timed driving event where you drive a course made with cones. You’re turning and accelerating a lot, so the tires really affect how well you can control the car. The host is saying their tire choice still works for that kind of driving.

Concept

ownership context (switching vehicles because it "didn't really make any sense anymore")

"Like, the four-runner didn't really make any sense anymore. And frankly, the four-runner was really expensive for what it was."

They’re talking about how a car can stop making sense once your life changes. Even if it was a good choice before, it might not match what you need now.

Car

four-runner

"So M had a four-runner. I was like her car. Nice. And being around the whole group and everything, right? Like, the four-runner didn't really make any sense anymore."

The 4Runner is Toyota’s rugged SUV. Here they’re saying they had one before, but it no longer fit their needs and it felt too pricey.

Term

automatic

"[1186.5s] And I'm like, OK, we can look at them, [1188.8s] but we're not getting an automatic. [1190.4s] Because I will not be that person who shows up at a car [1192.6s] thing with an automatic GRD6 and be laughed out of the area."

They’re talking about whether the car has an automatic transmission or a manual. They’re saying they’d rather have the manual, because they don’t want to be judged for choosing the automatic.

Term

manual car

"So she's like, that's fine. We can learn, right? She's never owned a manual car before."

A manual car is one where you shift gears yourself using a clutch. If you’ve never driven one before, it can take practice—especially when it’s cold.

Term

winter tire thing

"And you love it so much. The winter tire thing was a struggle for a while there. And we talked about ice racing the M5."

Winter tires are made to grip better when it’s cold, snowy, or icy. The host is saying dealing with them was difficult for a while.

Concept

ice racing

"The winter tire thing was a struggle for a while there. And we talked about ice racing the M5. And I broke that."

Ice racing means driving on frozen ground where the tires can’t grip well. It’s easy to lose control, so it’s something that needs a lot of caution and preparation.

Term

clutch release

"There's something about that manual, the clutch release, or the way it's geared. I don't know. It is impossible to drive that car at a normal speed without lurching it around or riding the clutch."

Clutch release is the feel and timing of how the clutch engages as you let the pedal out. Small differences in clutch bite point and pedal/actuator calibration can make a car easy or difficult to drive smoothly without jerking or riding the clutch.

Term

riding the clutch

"It is impossible to drive that car at a normal speed without lurching it around or riding the clutch. There's something about it. Weird."

Riding the clutch is when you don’t fully let the clutch go while you’re moving. It can make the car feel smoother, but it can also wear out the clutch faster.

Term

clutch needs to be worn in

"[1292.5s] Brand new car. [1293.1s] So I thought maybe the clutch needs to be worn in. [1295.1s] In fairness, it has gotten better."

A clutch is the part that lets you smoothly start moving and shift gears. Some people think a brand-new clutch needs time to “settle in,” so it feels smoother after a while.

Term

first to second

"[1297.1s] But there's still something about leaving this parking lot [1300.2s] at the shop here. [1301.5s] Going from first to second, it just feels like, oh my god."

Going from first to second is the first shift most people make when they start driving. If that shift feels rough or weird, it can make the whole car feel harder to drive smoothly.

Term

torque

"[1323.6s] like north of 300 horsepower. [1325.4s] So maybe it's just a complete lack of torque [1327.2s] that I'm experiencing. [1329.0s] And they do lack that a bit."

Torque is what makes a car pull and move without needing to rev super high. If a car has less torque where you’re shifting, it can feel like you have to be more precise with the clutch and gas.

Car

GR86

"It got to the point where I actually joined some of the GR86 pages on Facebook and stuff and started browsing. And it's reported often. Like people talk about it a lot."

The GR86 is a small sports car that’s meant to be fun to drive, especially with a manual transmission. Here, the speaker is saying the clutch behavior felt “off,” and other owners talk about it online.

Part

clutch delay valve

"And the fix, apparently, is like a clutch delay valve that every modern manual car has. But the M2 had that. And it never bothered me there."

Some manual cars use a small valve in the clutch system to make the clutch engage more smoothly. If that valve’s behavior doesn’t match what you expect, the clutch can feel weird or delayed.

Term

all weather tires

"As it's getting, I'm driving in winter, right? Obviously, we put all weather tires, the new secure contact tires on there. And I'm having fun with the car."

All-weather tires are tires meant to work in more seasons, including cold and some snow. The speaker says these tires helped the car feel better when driving in winter.

Concept

drifting every corner

"I'm just drifting every corner. I'm in a blast. And then suddenly, everything starts to squeak."

Drifting is when the car’s rear slides while you’re turning. On ice, grip is low, so it’s easier to lose traction and the car can feel like it’s working harder.

Term

windows squeak

"This is a legit issue with this car. The windows squeak. The windows just squeak. And it's not like. These windows are atrocious."

They’re describing a squeaky sound from the car’s windows. It’s usually related to how the window slides in its track, and cold weather or dirt can make it worse.

Term

mechanism itself

"And apparently, it's it's something with the actual like rail themselves or like the mechanism itself. Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too."

If they think it’s the mechanism, they mean the actual moving parts inside the system. That’s different from a loose panel—because the noise is coming from how the parts move.

Term

moisture

"Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too. So that that that's a thing. And I know that not most people like a lot of people, you know,"

Moisture and cold weather can make car parts act differently. That can lead to extra squeaks or chirping noises that you don’t notice in warm, dry conditions.

Concept

cold temperatures affecting noises

"Moisture, they said extra like cold temperatures really affects it too. So that that that's a thing. And I know that not most people like a lot of people, you know,"

When it’s cold, some car parts shrink or move differently. That can make annoying noises show up—especially if something is already slightly loose or sensitive.

Concept

dangerously slow

"It is like in some cases, it feels dangerously slow... No, like it's dangerously slow. There might be actually something fucked with your car..."

“Dangerously slow” is a driver’s perception that the car can’t accelerate quickly enough for safe merging or passing. In this context, it’s tied to the host’s experience of pressing the gas and getting little response until they downshift and rev higher.

Term

on ramp

"I have to put like to get on an on ramp, to get on the highway, for example... I put my foot down that nothing happens."

An on-ramp is where you speed up to join the highway. The speaker is saying the car struggles to accelerate when they need it most.

Term

second gear

"So like, I have to go to second gear and flog it. Now it's out of break in finally."

Second gear is a lower gear that helps the car pull harder. The speaker is saying they can’t get moving normally unless they shift down.

Concept

break-in

"So like, I have to go to second gear and flog it. Now it's out of break in finally. I can rev the thing out to like 7000 RPM or something..."

Break-in is the early period after buying a new car where components are expected to seat and wear in. The speaker implies the car feels weak until break-in is complete, which can happen if the engine management is limiting performance or if the driver is still learning how the car responds.

Car

Scion Frs

"...etting like, I don't know. I because so I had my FRS for many years and obviously did a few mods and ..."

The FR-S is a small sports car designed to be fun and easy to drive. It’s known for being a good base for upgrades and modifications. The podcast mentions it because the speaker had one for a long time and changed it over time.

Concept

tune

"...got like the tune for it with like the header and all that kind of stuff to balance out the torque dip..."

A tune is software changes for the car’s computer. It can help the engine run better with modifications so the power feels smoother and more usable.

Car

Subaru BRZ

"So the the first gen like the FRS is BRZ and then the Toyota 86 is before it was a GR 86..."

The Subaru BRZ is a sporty Subaru coupe that’s closely related to the FRS/86. The speaker brings it up because the earlier cars had a torque delivery that didn’t feel as strong low down.

Term

FA 20

"...a GR 86 had the FA 20, which was a two liter four cylinder boxer. The new ones have the FA 24..."

FA 20 is the name of the older 2.0-liter engine used in the earlier BRZ/FRS/86. The speaker is saying it didn’t feel strong where you want it most, especially at lower revs.

Term

boxer

"...the FA 20, which was a two liter four cylinder boxer. The new ones have the FA 24, which is a 2.4 liter four cylinder boxer."

A boxer engine is an engine layout where the cylinders sit opposite each other like a flat shape. The speaker mentions it because the GR 86 and earlier twins use this same basic engine style.

Term

FA 24

"The new ones have the FA 24, which is a 2.4 liter four cylinder boxer. And it did essentially get rid of the atrocious torque curve..."

FA 24 is the newer 2.4-liter flat-four boxer engine used in the GR 86. In this segment, the host credits the FA 24 with smoothing out the earlier car’s torque curve so the car feels stronger and more immediate, even stock.

Concept

fun economy car

"I started thinking about this car more as like a fun economy car than like a slow sports car... Looks really good... comfortable to drive in like daily... complete lack of power and really good fuel efficiency..."

It means the car is enjoyable even though it’s not very fast. You’re focusing on things like comfort and how easy it is to live with, not just speed.

Car

Toyota Corolla

"...ike I think of it more like a real drive Camry or Corolla, whatever the smaller one is."

The Corolla is a small, everyday car from Toyota. It’s designed to be easy to live with and efficient for daily driving. People bring it up when they mean a normal, practical driving experience.

Car

Toyota Camry

"... Sure, like I think of it more like a real drive Camry or Corolla, whatever the smaller one is."

The Camry is a regular, everyday Toyota sedan. It’s built to be comfortable and practical for commuting and errands. People mention it when they’re talking about a straightforward, normal driving feel.

Term

stock

"Like and I think the other part of that is there's two more. Number one, stock, again, my car is completely stock. It's a brand new car."

“Stock” means the car is still set up the way the factory built it. That matters because changing things like the exhaust can change how loud and how “alive” the car feels.

Term

Subaru engine

"I hear nothing like for a car that's built around a Subaru engine, especially, right, and they sound incredible with the right with the right exhaust setups."

The GR86’s engine is related to Subaru’s boxer-engine design. That layout can affect how the engine runs and how it sounds compared with more common engine shapes.

Term

sound symposer

"Which is crazy, too, because they have like that sound symposer and stuff in it to like feed intake noise into the cabin. So it's like, again, I know I'm used to a specific brand."

A sound symposer is a system that helps make the engine sound louder or more noticeable inside the cabin. The host is saying their car doesn’t seem to be doing that the way they expected.

Brand

BMW

"Yeah, and maybe maybe it's literally just a case of I'm used to how BMW builds their cars and especially how M builds their cars nowadays."

The host is comparing the GR86 to BMW because they’re used to how BMW makes the car feel and sound. They’re saying the GR86 doesn’t match that expectation.

Brand

M

"...I'm used to how BMW builds their cars and especially how M builds their cars nowadays."

“M” is BMW’s performance brand. The host is saying they’re used to how BMW M cars feel and sound, and that makes the GR86 feel different in comparison.

Term

sports car vibes

"I just it doesn't give me sports car vibes when I drive that car."

“Sports car vibes” is a subjective way enthusiasts describe the overall driving experience—how responsive, engaging, and confidence-inspiring the car feels. In this discussion, it’s used to contrast the GR86’s stock character versus what the hosts expect from a sports car.

Term

modifications

"OK, I do think that the modifications are required to enjoy it. I do. I do think that I agree with you."

“Modifications” are changes you make to a car after you buy it—like parts you swap or tune. The point here is that they think the GR86 might feel better with upgrades.

Concept

one owner lease car

"It was a one owner car was a lease car had like sixteen thousand miles or thirteen thousand miles on it when I picked it up."

A “one owner lease car” typically means the vehicle was owned by a single person (often a company) and used under a lease agreement, then returned and sold. Low-mileage lease returns can be attractive because they may have been maintained consistently, but you still want to verify service history and condition.

Concept

Out-the-door price

"I paid sixteen thousand dollars out the door with it. See, it's that made sense."

Out-the-door price is what you actually hand over at the end—after taxes and fees. It helps you compare deals fairly.

Concept

Entry-level budget base sports car

"They're like, here is an entry level budget base sports car that comes in at a really good price point and get a new platform... It's got the newer features in it, but it's it's it's simple and here it is."

They’re talking about the idea of a cheap sports car that’s still fun to drive. The goal is to make it affordable by keeping it simple, not by loading it with expensive extras.

Concept

Aftermarket support

"Ton of aftermarket support to it. It was real drive. It was manual. It was fun."

Aftermarket support means other companies make upgrades for that car. If a car has a lot of aftermarket parts, it’s easier to modify it or fix things with options.

Term

oil overs

"[1908.3s] ...probably five or six grand in parts [1908.3s] to make you talking about I want getting a nice set of wheels and tires for it. [1911.5s] You know, that's that's like two grand. [1913.7s] Oil Overs is like another twelve hundred, fifteen hundred bucks."

Oil overs are aftermarket suspension parts that let you change how stiff the ride feels and often lower the car. People upgrade them to make the car handle better and look more aggressive.

Part

header

"[1921.1s] Doing a header on those cars like is pretty much a must. [1925.0s] Like and then getting some sort of tune to get rid of any like check engine [1927.6s] light or anything like that."

A header is part of the exhaust system that helps the engine get rid of exhaust gases more easily. The speaker says it’s basically required for the kind of improvement they want.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"...ou can buy, dude, you can damn nearby a brand new Corvette for that much. So like anyway, so like all this ..."

The Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. It’s designed to be fast and fun to drive. People talk about it because it can offer a lot of performance for the price.

Concept

voting with my wallet

"So part of the reason I bought the car... was, you know, voting with my wallet, right? Like I bought the M two in manual, not automatic..."

“Voting with your wallet” means your purchases send a message to companies about what you want. If enough people buy a certain type of car (like manuals), manufacturers are more likely to keep making them. The host is saying they bought what they wanted to see more of.

Term

manual transmission

"I bought the M two in manual, not automatic, even though I wasn't good at driving manual back then, because I just I wanted the manual transmission to keep existing and that's that's important to me."

A manual transmission means you shift gears yourself using a clutch and gear stick. It’s usually more involved than an automatic, but some drivers love the control and feel. The host chose it because they wanted manuals to stay available.

Concept

post-covid versus pre-covid prices

"But I mean, obviously, everything has gone up in price... post covid versus pre covid prices are fucking insanely different."

They’re talking about how car prices changed after COVID compared to before COVID. The market got more expensive, so the same kind of car can cost way more than it used to. That helps explain why the host feels the GR86 was too expensive.

Concept

depreciation

"[2045.4s] And I think, you know, it's harder to justify that when you're talking [2048.1s] thirty six thousand dollars for a car. [2101.7s] are going for twenty eight to thirty six thousand dollars. [2103.8s] So they're not even dropping in value."

They’re talking about how much a car loses value over time. If used cars are still expensive, it means your car isn’t depreciating much, so the “deal” you thought you got may not be as good.

Concept

trade-in value

"[2048.1s] thirty six thousand dollars for a car. [2050.8s] I traded my M two in for thirty five thousand dollars. God damn. [2053.9s] I'm like, why the hell did I see my car back now?"

They’re talking about what the dealer gave them for their old car when they traded it in. That number changes how much you really paid for the new car.

Concept

hold their value

"They kind of just hold their value and sit at what they're at. But I was expecting to find them for twenty or that low twenty."

“Hold their value” means the car doesn’t get cheap as fast as other cars. If it holds value, you’re less likely to lose a lot of money when you sell it.

Concept

blank slate

"because I do think it is a phenomenal car that you start with a blank slate. Yes, you modify, make it your own, put your own parts in it..."

A “blank slate” means the car is a good starting point. You can add upgrades and it’ll still make sense, instead of fighting the car’s original setup.

Concept

modify, make it your own

"Yes, you modify, make it your own, put your own parts in it and then you get to actually see those and feel those improvements right away, too."

This describes the common enthusiast approach of personalizing a car with aftermarket parts to improve drivability, aesthetics, or performance. The hosts emphasize that with a “blank slate” platform like the GR86, you can feel the improvements quickly as you add parts.

Concept

preparing money saved aside / have a plan

"it's so hard to jump into that platform at a price like that, knowing oh, I want to spend a ton of money on it as soon as I get it. You almost have to... have have some money saved aside or have a plan..."

They’re basically saying don’t buy the car and then figure out upgrades later. Save some money and plan what you want to change so you can do it properly.

Concept

fallen builds

"we talked earlier about my taste in cars and the kind of philosophy of fallen builds. It's like I left the M2 basically stock for the entire lifetime."

“Fallen builds” refers to a style of car ownership where the car is gradually transformed through modifications over time, often reflecting the owner’s taste and priorities. In this segment, it’s contrasted with leaving a car mostly stock, and it ties into the idea of saving money and planning upgrades.

Concept

priced aggressively

"And I think we all unanimously it's it's a good car. It's just priced aggressively and you come with a really unique perspective..."

“Priced aggressively” usually means the car costs more than you’d expect. It can make you feel like you’re paying extra, even if the car itself is good.

Concept

used market

"for whatever reason, my head, I just expected that the used market was a lot lower than what it was to. And it's not to just I mean, hey, that's kind of good at least..."

The “used market” is what the car sells for after it’s been owned before. The point they’re making is they expected used prices to be cheaper, but they weren’t, so the deal didn’t feel as good.

Concept

holding its value

"And it's not to just I mean, hey, that's kind of good at least. I mean, at least it's kind of holding its value."

“Holding its value” means the car doesn’t lose money as fast as other cars. Even if you overpay a bit, you may get more back when you sell it later.

Concept

first gen

"Honestly, then, you know, if you do like that platform, you've ever thought of getting one, I'd try to go scoop like a lower mileage first gen. Yeah, absolutely. Go scoop an FRS, go scoop a BRZ."

“First gen” just means the earliest version of that car model. They’re suggesting you can often find a cheaper used one with fewer miles.

Car

Toyota FRS

"Yeah, absolutely. Go scoop an FRS, go scoop a BRZ. Shit, even like the later, like I said before, they killed off SIA or was after they killed off SIA and they had the Toyota 86 again."

The Toyota FRS is an older version of the same basic sports-car idea. The hosts are saying it can be a smart, cheaper way to get into this platform.

Term

updated tech

"Like that was a really cool like car too, because it was newer, had some updated tech inside. Wait, so did we get that in the US?"

“Updated tech” means the car got newer electronics or features inside. Think of things like a better screen, newer controls, or added convenience features.

Concept

face lifted version

"Yep. So then they brought it here. Yeah. They brought it here. It was like a face lifted version."

A facelift is when a car gets a refresh partway through its life. Usually it means updated looks and sometimes newer features, not a totally new car.

Term

premium

"[2318.9s] So the other thing that I was really looking forward to, because again, I went [2322.1s] down this like economy car phase and I was like, maybe I can save a bunch of money [2325.7s] on gas. [2326.5s] Yeah. [2327.4s] The thing takes premium. [2328.5s] Yep."

Premium is a more expensive type of gas with a higher octane rating. If the car asks for it, using the right fuel helps the engine run as designed and can prevent rough running.

Concept

regular gas

"We just put regular gas in the Hakone edition. That one."

They’re saying they used regular (cheaper) gasoline. That’s important because some cars need premium fuel, and some don’t. If it can take regular, it can save you money at the pump.

Term

El Quintar interior

"So I had a hot lava orange FRS with a black like suede El Quintar interior. And then it was red stitching everywhere."

“El Quintar” is a type of fabric/upholstery material used in some car interiors. They’re describing their interior as black and suede-like. It’s basically about what the seats look and feel like.

Term

Apple CarPlay

"But even then, we have a what's the car play? Just just get spend the two grand and get car play."

Apple CarPlay lets you connect your iPhone to the car and use certain apps on the car’s screen. Things like maps and music show up in the dashboard. Some cars make you pay extra to get it.

Car

E46 M3

"like I literally I could buy another minty clean E46 M3 and just like unmolested and just daily drive that. I think that's a better car for for 30 grand."

The BMW M3 (E46) is a classic performance BMW from the early 2000s. People like it because it’s fun to drive and there are lots of parts and knowledge available for it. The host is saying they’d rather buy one than their newer GR86 for the money.

Term

unmolested

"like I literally I could buy another minty clean E46 M3 and just like unmolested and just daily drive that."

“Unmolested” means the car is basically untouched—no big modifications or hack jobs. People like it because it’s more original and usually easier to trust. The host is saying they’d want a clean, stock-feeling M3.

Term

bucket list car

"I could buy a relatively low mile E92 M3, which is my bucket list car still, I will own one."

A “bucket list car” is a vehicle someone dreams of owning at some point, usually because it’s rare, iconic, or personally meaningful. It’s not about practicality—it’s more about desire and long-term ownership goals. The speaker calls the E92 M3 their bucket list car.

Concept

two owner car

"It's meticulously maintains a two owner car. Like it's perfect. Twenty eight grand."

“Two owner” is a shorthand for how many times the car has been titled/owned. Fewer owners can mean simpler maintenance history and fewer handoffs, which many buyers view as a positive when shopping for a used enthusiast car.

Car

Corvette C6 Corvette

"I would buy a C6 Corvette because those are easily had for 30 grand. Easily, not not a zero six, not a zero one, just a basic Corvette."

A C6 Corvette is a specific generation of the Corvette (the mid-2000s to early-2010s). The speaker is saying it’s a good deal for the power and driving experience you get.

Car

E36

"Also, sure, I want an old car. And I mean, like E 36, E 30. I want my I keep screwing this up."

E36 is a BMW 3 Series from the 1990s. People like it because it’s an older BMW that’s fun to drive and has lots of parts and support.

Car

E24

"I want my I keep screwing this up. E 24, the sharknose, the six year. Oh, yeah, yeah."

E24 is an older BMW 6 Series. It’s known for its unique styling—people call it the “sharknose”—and it’s the kind of car enthusiasts look for when they want something classic.

Car

Dodge Viper

"I was looking at Vipers for a while, but obviously those are more like if I got rid of the M five type of car."

The Dodge Viper is a very aggressive sports car from Dodge. People like it because it’s powerful and feels very “old-school” to drive. In this segment, it’s mentioned as something the host considered before moving on to other options.

Car

BMW M5

"I was looking at Vipers for a while, but obviously those are more like if I got rid of the M five type of car."

The BMW M5 is a very fast BMW sedan built by BMW’s performance division. It’s the kind of car people buy when they want something quick but still practical. Here, it’s used as a reference point for what the buyer is trying to replace or downgrade from.

Car

Ford Mustang

"You know, there's any number of Mustangs. My God, Mustangs are great value when you start looking at them at thirty grand."

The Ford Mustang is a popular American sports car. The reason it comes up here is that it can be a great deal at around the $30k range, depending on the version you choose. The hosts are basically saying it’s a smart option for the money.

Car

Audi TTRS

"There's a bunch of Audi's that would be cool. Like TTRS is I think you can buy the first and TTRS is now for somewhere in that budget."

The Audi TTRS is a sporty, higher-performance TT from Audi. It’s the kind of car that feels quick and fun without being as big or expensive as some larger performance cars. Here, it’s mentioned as something you might be able to buy for around the same money.

Concept

new car factor

"Yes, at this point, where this is a brand new, you know, car. So you get that new car factor. But sometimes, you know, if you can find a well maintained"

The “new car factor” is the feeling and benefits you get from buying a brand-new car—like knowing it’s in perfect condition and has the newest features. The point here is that a well-kept used car can sometimes be just as good for your day-to-day experience.

Concept

well maintained, somewhat low mileage used car

"But sometimes, you know, if you can find a well maintained somewhat low mileage, it don't matter."

The hosts are saying that a used car can still be a great choice if it was cared for and doesn’t have too many miles. If the previous owner kept up with maintenance, the car can feel and behave like a much newer one.

Concept

value proposition

"It just becomes back to a value proposition. You know, as as my other car, I would rather I'd literally rather have a Prius, I would rather have an electric car because all I'm doing is driving to the shop and back and that's a mile."

A “value proposition” is basically whether the car is worth it for what you actually need. It’s not just about being cool—it’s about whether it fits your life and budget.

Car

Prius

"You know, as as my other car, I would rather I'd literally rather have a Prius, I would rather have an electric car because all I'm doing is driving to the shop and back and that's a mile."

The Toyota Prius is a fuel-sipping hybrid. The point here is that if you’re mostly doing short errands, a Prius makes more sense than a fun sports car.

Concept

handling

"is like the handling of it, right, which is one of the main aspects of it."

Handling is how the car feels when you drive it—how well it turns and stays stable in corners. The host is saying handling is one of the biggest reasons the car is enjoyable.

Concept

settled mid corner

"...it feels like it's hooked up and the car like settled mid corner and they just like, let's go."

When a car “settles” in the middle of a turn, it means the suspension and tires start working in a stable way once you’re loaded up. It can feel smoother and more predictable, but it depends on tires and suspension tuning.

Car

Toyota Supra

"...because when I went from my stock set up on my Mark V Supra to the Fortunato's, I absolutely loved it."

The “Mark V Supra” refers to the fifth-generation Toyota GR Supra (commonly associated with the A90 chassis). The host says they went from a stock setup to Fortunato coilovers on their Mark V Supra and loved the results, implying the suspension change improved how the car felt under real driving conditions.

Concept

drag strip

"...take it to the drag strip on Fortunato's. I also drove it from Wisconsin to Tennessee and back multiple times."

A drag strip is where cars race straight down a track to see who accelerates fastest. Even though it’s straight-line, suspension can affect how well the tires hook up at launch.

Company

Fortunato

"And it did phenomenal in all of those categories, which is one of the major reasons that I love Fortunato. They're so universal and set up the way you want them to be set up."

Fortunato makes aftermarket suspension parts, like coilovers. The point here is that you can tune the car’s ride height and how firm it feels, depending on whether you’re driving normally or pushing it on track.

Part

Swift Springs

"You can get upgraded Swift Springs. You can have the coilovers completely rebuilt when it's time for that."

Swift Springs makes performance coil springs. In this context, it means the suspension can be upgraded with higher-quality springs for better control and ride feel.

Term

CV boots

"They weren't tearing up my CV boots, nothing like that. So they have great adjustability and they have damping to which you can customize and make it more adjustable."

CV boots are rubber covers that protect the joints that transfer power to your wheels. If they tear, the joint can wear out faster, so the host is saying these coilovers didn’t cause that problem.

Term

adjustability

"So they have great adjustability and they have damping to which you can customize and make it more adjustable."

Adjustability means you can fine-tune the suspension settings instead of leaving them fixed. That helps you get the ride height you want and a ride feel that matches how you drive.

Term

damping

"So they have great adjustability and they have damping to which you can customize and make it more adjustable. But the digressive piston and it makes it just fantastic for daily driving or driving hard."

Damping is what controls how the suspension moves over bumps and during cornering. Better damping tuning can make the car feel smoother on the street but still feel stable when you drive aggressively.

Term

digressive piston

"But the digressive piston and it makes it just fantastic for daily driving or driving hard."

A digressive piston is a shock design that helps the car feel comfortable over everyday road imperfections. It also helps keep the ride controlled when you hit bigger bumps or drive harder.

Car

Honda Civic Cx

"Oh, no, it is a nineteen ninety six Honda Civic CX. ... This is a nineteen ninety six Honda Civic CX. So, E.K. Hatch, Mike, this is his car."

This is a 1996 Honda Civic CX—basically a specific version of the Civic from the late 1990s. The “CX” part means it’s a particular trim level, and the hatchback style is a favorite among car people because it’s small and fun to work on.

Topic

build thread of the week

"Welcome to our training works build thread of the week. ... If you guys didn't know, we have build threads on our website. Essentially, that is a place where you can upload your car and all the specs of your car"

This is a weekly segment where the hosts pick one person’s car build to feature. They talk about the car’s details and share it with the audience so other people can see what’s cool about it.

Term

Midori Green

"Midori Green, absolutely beautiful. Midori Green is one of the greatest colors ever put on a Honda. It is so good. What brand?"

Midori Green is a special factory-style green paint color for some Honda Civics. People like it because it looks really vibrant and different from typical green colors.

Term

B series type R swap

"So the story about this car is he bought it with a B series type R swap. It had a gold engine bay at the time over the years."

They’re describing an engine swap. Basically, they put a Type R–style Honda engine into a different Honda so the car drives differently.

Term

gold engine bay

"It had a gold engine bay at the time over the years. Owned in the car, swapped it out with a K twenty four LSE transmission and then threw Jackson racing supercharger on it."

They’re describing the engine compartment being painted or finished gold. It’s mainly a style choice that also hints the car has been heavily worked on.

Term

K twenty four LSE transmission

"Owned in the car, swapped it out with a K twenty four LSE transmission and then threw Jackson racing supercharger on it."

This mentions a K24 engine paired with an LSE transmission, which is a specific drivetrain combination used to match torque and gearing. In swap builds, choosing the right transmission matters for drivability and how well the car handles added power.

Company

Jackson racing

"and then threw Jackson racing supercharger on it. So not a turbo Honda, but a super charge."

Jackson Racing makes aftermarket performance parts, especially supercharger kits. In this story, they used one of those kits to add boost.

Term

supercharger

"So not a turbo Honda, but a super charge. Some a little bit different, which is kind of cool to see. I respect the super charge setup."

A supercharger forces extra air into the engine so it can make more power. They’re saying most people choose turbo setups, but this one chose a supercharger for a different feel.

Term

turbo route

"Yeah. And you always see everyone always goes the turbo route. So to mix it up and do a supercharger is a bit different."

They mean most people usually add a turbocharger when they want more power. The hosts are pointing out this build chose a supercharger instead, which can change how the car feels.

Part

Workmeister wheels

"The workmeister wheels on it. Sixteen by eight plus 15 Nido Neo Gentires."

Work Meister wheels are aftermarket rims. The size and offset change how the tires sit in the wheel wells, which affects both look and handling.

Term

Sixteen by eight plus 15

"Sixteen by eight plus 15 Nido Neo Gentires. A whole bunch of other stuff going on."

That number is wheel size and how far the wheel sticks in or out. It matters because it affects tire clearance and how the car looks and fits.

Term

engine swap

"It's supercharged with a nice engine swap. Like, where do you want to have your seven?"

An engine swap is when someone removes the original engine and installs a different one. It can make the car faster or more fun, but it usually takes a lot of work to make everything work together.

Term

supercharged

"It's supercharged with a nice engine swap. Like, where do you want to have your seven?"

Supercharging means adding a device that pushes extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, so the car feels faster.

Company

Blackworks racing lower control arms and subframe bracing

"Blackworks racing lower control arms and subframe bracing. So I bet it like rides really great too."

Blackworks Racing sells suspension and chassis upgrades. Lower control arms can make the wheels track better, and bracing helps the car feel more solid when you corner or accelerate.

Concept

US built vehicles priced below $30,000

"Okay. There are only seven US built vehicles priced below $30,000 now. I'm not surprised."

They’re talking about how few cars made in the U.S. are still cheap enough (under $30,000). It’s basically a quick way to show that “affordable” options are getting harder to find.

Term

MSRP

"Here's the MSRP offline less than $30,000."

MSRP is the “official” price on the car’s window sticker. Your final deal price can change because of discounts, taxes, and dealer add-ons.

Car

Honda Accord

"What the Nissan Ultima $28,800 Honda Accord $29,000."

The Honda Accord is a regular, popular family sedan. They’re using its price to show that other new cars can be close in cost to the car being discussed.

Concept

phases of it

"I mean, like, right, because you go through the phases of it, right? Everybody has the old car, right? And you kind of like work your way up..."

They’re talking about how most people don’t start with a brand-new car. Usually you begin with something used, then later you upgrade when you’re making more money.

Concept

prices have gone boo boo

"I feel like, man, prices have gone boo boo... It's like the bottom has come up. I don't feel like the middle ground has really moved that much."

They’re saying car prices have gotten worse for buyers—like the cheapest prices aren’t as low as they used to be. So even if you wait, you might not get the deal you hoped for.

Concept

bottom has come up

"It's like the bottom has come up. I don't feel like the middle ground has really moved that much."

They mean the lowest prices you can find are higher than before. So the “cheap” options aren’t as cheap anymore.

Term

manual super final edition

"The Toyota suit, I just got, I just got a text from somebody... that a manual super final edition is coming up for sale... that's 62,000."

“Super Final Edition” is a limited-run trim concept used on some Toyota GR86/86 variants, typically marking the end of a generation with special styling and equipment. The mention of “manual” highlights that enthusiasts often pay a premium for stick-shift cars, especially in limited editions.

Concept

brand new cars

"Well, vice two is generally, unless you're getting a car, you're keeping for the rest of your life. I don't know if I'd buy any more brand new cars. Yeah. It gets weird out there with the brand new stuff."

They’re talking about how buying a brand-new car can be unpredictable. Their point is that the pricing situation for new cars feels strange compared to used cars.

Car

2020 GR Supra

"Yeah. The 2020 GR Supra original MSRP was between 49 and 55,000. So those, those have gone up about 10%."

They’re talking about the original sticker price (MSRP) for a 2020 Toyota GR Supra. Then they compare it to today’s prices and point out that the car costs more now than it did when it was new.

Concept

buying 2 to 5 year old cars for the same price

"Think about the, think about the amount of cars you could buy that are like two to five years old that just mop the floor with something like that for the same price."

The idea is to avoid paying full new-car prices. Cars lose value fastest early on, so buying one that’s a couple years old can get you a better deal for the same budget.

Term

top trim

"Like it's, you know, you're getting years old top trim that's offered and platform and so it's like a renowned car."

“Top trim” means the most fully equipped version of that car. The idea is that you can often get that better-equipped version for less money by buying it used.

Concept

don't buy new cars

"[3447.3s] I mean, the big lesson here is don't buy new cars. [3450.2s] It is just, and if you do just expect to, to kind of lose your ass on it a little bit."

Buying a brand-new car usually costs you money right away because the car is worth less the moment you drive it off the lot. The host is saying that unless you plan to keep it for a long time, you’ll likely lose a lot of that money.

Concept

cost of ownership

"[3472.2s] I mean, obviously there's cost of ownership. [3473.8s] If you look at from the time I bought it to the time I sold it,"

“Cost of ownership” means what it really costs to keep and use the car over time—not just the purchase price. The host is saying that after adding up the money they spent and got back when selling, it didn’t end up being unusually expensive.

Concept

electric cars

"But I wonder, you guys think this is part of the impact? ... do you think this is part of the impact of electric cars? Because the cheapest electric cars are in that price range, like the mid 30s to 40s, right?"

They’re talking about electric cars and how their prices are affecting what other companies do. If EVs become “good enough” for daily life—reliable and reasonably priced—more people will buy them.

Car

Tesla Model Y

"Like you can't buy a Model Y for less than 38, I think, same as the threes. And people are buying that stuff up and over a fist."

The Model Y is Tesla’s best-selling electric SUV/crossover. The hosts bring it up because it helps show what EVs cost and how that affects what other automakers decide to build.

Concept

everyday reliability

"And then there's so many factors that go into it. You're looking for everyday reliability."

This just means how well the car works day after day without annoying problems. If an EV is reliable in everyday life, it’s much easier to recommend and less likely to cause buyer regret.

Concept

zero to 60 time

"and everyone's like, dude, they're so fast. They do zero to 60 in like two seconds."

“Zero to 60 time” is how fast a car can go from stopped to 60 mph. It’s a useful number for speed, but it doesn’t automatically mean the car is fun or satisfying in real life.

Concept

hybrid car

"And I mean, they're their original hybrid car that we all think of. They were supposed to be like the economy, like car replacement of like, you can get so much fucking gas mileage out of this car"

A hybrid car uses a gas engine and an electric motor together. The goal is usually better fuel economy—using electricity to help the car waste less gas.

Car

M2 competition

"The M2, the competition specifically, the M2 competition is such a parts bin car that grabbed so many things from all the different platforms and put it together into this original, unique, special package."

The BMW M2 Competition is a smaller BMW M car meant to feel sporty and fun. They’re saying it uses a mix of parts from other BMWs, but the final result still feels like its own special car.

Term

parts bin car

"The M2 competition is such a parts bin car that grabbed so many things from all the different platforms and put it together into this original, unique, special package."

“Parts bin car” is a slang way to describe a vehicle that reuses existing components from other models or platforms rather than being engineered entirely from scratch. In BMW’s case, it often means shared engines, transmissions, chassis pieces, and electronics across multiple M models.

Car

BMW M4

"The new M2 feels just like a slightly different version of the M4."

The BMW M4 is BMW’s sporty performance car that’s closely related to the M3. They’re saying the M2 feels very similar to the M4, just with a slightly different personality.

Concept

driving multiple cars back to back

"And when I drove all of them back to back to back, I walked away, I fell in love with the M3, not the M2... And they do start to blend a little bit."

Test-driving cars back-to-back helps you compare them more fairly. But if the cars are very similar, you can start to feel like they all blur together.

Car

BMW X3M

"but still it was fun as hell was the X3M. That shit fucking ripped. That was a surprise. Holy cow."

The BMW X3M is a fast, performance-focused version of a regular BMW X3 SUV. The big idea is that it’s not just big and comfortable—it’s tuned to accelerate hard and handle better than most SUVs.

Concept

tunnel vision

"It's just like tunnel vision, like holy, it just pulls and then keeps pulling it. But to get that out of an SUV."

“Tunnel vision” is just a way to describe how fast acceleration can make you feel locked onto the road ahead. It’s not a technical feature—more like what it feels like when the car is pulling strongly.

Concept

hucking it around turns

"And then we were so unsuspecting. We were hucking it around turns too. And like it didn't necessarily feel like an SUV around the turns."

“Hucking it around turns” means driving the car hard through corners instead of taking them gently. They’re saying the SUV felt surprisingly good when they pushed it.

Term

miles per gallon average

"They're usually really comfortable. And the sticker says like 22 miles per gallon average. Bullshit. You're getting like 30 with those engines."

MPG is how many miles you can drive on one gallon of gas. The sticker number is a target estimate, and real driving can be higher or lower depending on how you drive and conditions.

Car

Civic Type R

"Anything above 40 for a civic type are. It's like, here's how they're depreciating."

The Civic Type R is a sporty Honda hatchback with extra performance. They’re basically saying the value tends to stay higher than you might expect, but it depends a lot on how many miles are on it.

Concept

depreciating

"It's like, here's how they're depreciating. They really don't."

Depreciation is how much your car loses value as time goes on. Some cars keep their value better than others, especially if they’re popular and have low mileage.

Concept

hold value

"They really don't depreciate. They're kind of in that same boat too of like, like Dakota was saying with the Toyota, they kind of hold. As long as they don't have a fuck ton of miles on them."

“Hold value” means the car doesn’t get cheaper very fast when you go to sell it. Low mileage helps a lot; lots of miles usually makes it drop more.

Term

special trim

"there's only, I don't want to say like so many of them, but it's like the special trim, like they're kind of held to like a higher thing."

A “special trim” is a nicer or more unique version of the same car. Because fewer people have it (or it’s more desirable), it can keep its value better.

Concept

post-COVID used cars shopping

"I think this is a phenomenon of post COVID used cars shopping though, because the craziest realization when I started shopping was, the E46 M3, the E90 M3, and the F80 M3 are all the same price now."

“Post-COVID used cars shopping” refers to the market shift after the pandemic, when supply constraints and demand changes pushed used-car prices up and kept them elevated. The hosts connect this to why older enthusiast cars are holding value unusually well.

Car

Acura Integra

"Yeah, I will say it is happening with like older Hondas and stuff though. Dude, like Integra's, like the Integra generation that we really like, with like the round eyes and stuff like that."

The Acura Integra is a compact car made by Acura. Some older versions are especially liked because of their look and driving character. In the podcast, they’re talking about a particular Integra generation they find appealing.

Car

Integra

"Yeah, I will say it is happening with like older Hondas and stuff though. Dude, like Integra's, like the Integra generation that we really like, with like the round eyes and stuff like that. Dude, a clean one of those, they're fetching like 20K still."

The Honda Integra (the generation the hosts describe as “round eyes”) is a popular enthusiast model whose clean, well-kept examples can command strong prices. The segment points to the Integra’s appreciation as part of a broader post-COVID used-car value trend.

Concept

value appreciation

"That's fucking insane. Yeah. Like they're appreciating the value. That's nuts."

Value appreciation means the car is worth more now than it was before. In this case, the hosts are saying some older enthusiast Hondas are going up in price.

Concept

resale value jump

"[3965.1s] You gotta, where are the old ladies that bought these things that want 3K? [3968.6s] They're selling them for 20 grand because they're realizing they can make fucking bank. [3972.0s] Everyone has access to the internet now and they know the price of everything. [3986.2s] All right. [3986.9s] But back in the day, you just drove past."

Resale value jump means the used price of a car goes up a lot. In this story, people realize they can sell for way more than expected because they can quickly look up what similar cars cost.

Concept

Facebook Marketplace

"[3975.6s] They're on Facebook. [3976.6s] They're on Facebook. [3977.5s] Yeah, they know. [3979.2s] They're scouring Facebook Marketplace. [3980.6s] Yeah."

Facebook Marketplace is where people list cars for sale online. The point here is that it makes it easier for sellers to see what other cars are going for, so prices can jump.

Car

BMW 335i

"The car I sold to buy the M2, I sold for $10,000, like the 335i. Damn. And they're still that much."

The BMW 335i is a BMW 3 Series with a turbo engine. It’s popular because it’s quick and there are lots of parts and upgrades available.

Concept

nothing depreciates

"You can't buy a 335. Everything just stays the same price now. Nothing fucking depreciates."

They mean used cars aren’t getting cheaper like they normally do. If prices stay high, it’s harder to buy a deal.

Concept

cheap barn finds

"I want the cheap barn fines. Dude, you're talking to Al. He came by."

They’re talking about hoping to find an old car that’s been sitting around for cheap. But those deals can disappear once more people start looking for them.

Car

Volkswagen GTI

"He was telling us because he had a mark for GTI and I'm like, damn. This is clean. It's clean."

The Volkswagen GTI is a sporty Volkswagen hatchback. It’s popular because it’s fun to drive but still works as a normal car.

Term

fluid change

"And yeah, it needed minimal. So obviously like fluid change and stuff like that. And yeah, he's up and driving it."

A fluid change means draining and refilling the car’s liquids. If a car has been sitting, those fluids can get old, so replacing them is one of the first things you do before driving.

Concept

storage wars

"You know, like it was like storage wars. It could be like barn wars. Oh my God."

It’s like a TV show where people bid on storage units they haven’t fully seen. You’re gambling a bit because you don’t know exactly what you’ll find until you open it.

Concept

barn wars

"You know, like it was like storage wars. It could be like barn wars. Oh my God. Do you know how good of a show that would be?"

It’s basically a game where you go find a car someone has stored away, buy it for a set price, and then you have to live with whatever you got. The fun part is that you don’t really know what the car will be until after you buy it.

Concept

muscle car

"That would be the whole range of anything from like the old like muscle car to like an R7. Honestly, at this point, yeah, yeah, that's crazy."

A muscle car is an older style of American performance car that’s built to be fast, especially in a straight line. Here it’s just an example of one end of the spectrum of what you could find.

Concept

buy and flipped instantly

"If there is a good deal on literally anything, it will be bought and flipped instantly. Like it is crazy. Did like the generation before us go through the same thing"

“Buy and flip” refers to purchasing a car (or parts) quickly—often because it’s priced below market—and reselling it for profit. When the internet makes listings and pricing instantly searchable, flipping becomes easier and can reduce the number of genuinely good deals for real enthusiasts.

Concept

internet ruined a lot of it

"Just don't think anything. I think the internet ruined a lot of it, just in the sense of everything is so accessible now. And you can find the prices for anything."

They’re saying the internet changed how car deals work. Because everyone can check prices and listings instantly, it’s harder to find a bargain before someone else does.

Concept

rust free one

"It's like, dude, I can sit in Wisconsin and in two seconds go look in Texas for RX-7s or DSMs to find a rust free one."

“Rust-free” is a major buying criterion for many enthusiast cars because corrosion can be expensive to repair and can affect structural integrity. Buyers often search warmer or drier regions (like parts of Texas) to reduce the chance of hidden rust.

Car

Mazda Rx7S

"It's like, dude, I can sit in Wisconsin and in two seconds go look in Texas for RX-7s or DSMs to find a rust free one."

The RX-7 is a Mazda sports car. It uses a special engine design (rotary) that’s different from most cars. People often hunt for good-condition ones because rust and wear can be an issue on older cars.

Concept

averaging out listings

"[4194.7s] And you can look at the whole state and find every listing [4197.9s] and the price and average it out and then talk to someone. [4200.6s] Make a decision."

This is basically comparing multiple ads to figure out what the car is probably worth. One listing might be too high or too low, so averaging helps you judge the “normal” price.

Concept

buying a car without seeing it until it arrives

"[4219.2s] Right. [4219.4s] Didn't ever saw it until it got here. [4220.9s] Yep. [4221.6s] Yes. [4222.1s] That was a little bit more of those."

Buying sight-unseen (or not seeing the car until it arrives) is common when shopping outside your local area. It increases the importance of photos, seller communication, and verifying details like condition and options before committing.

Brand

Motegi

"Motegi, another partner of the Martini Works podcast... They've been making moves... with a lot of their wheels... They've come out with a ton of flow form option... They do forge stuff as well."

Motegi makes aftermarket wheels you can put on your car. The hosts are saying Motegi’s wheels look great and are priced well, with different styles and finishes.

Term

flow form

"...they've been making moves... with a lot of their wheels. They've come out with a ton of flow form option... the best part is like their flow form stuff honestly comes in at a really good price point."

“Flow form” is a way of making wheels that can make them lighter and stronger than some older manufacturing methods. In the episode, they’re praising Motegi’s flow-formed wheels for both performance and price.

Term

forge stuff

"They do forge stuff as well. Their forge stuff is freaking nuts. Like some really, really good stuff coming from Motegi."

Forged wheels are made by pressing metal into shape under high force. That process usually makes the wheel tougher, and the hosts are saying Motegi’s forged wheels are especially impressive.

Term

candy red

"And the finishes like Dakota was talking about are absolutely killer. You can't see all of them. There's like this candy red that's up there on the battle six."

“Candy red” is a flashy red paint style that looks deeper and shinier than a flat red. They’re pointing out that Motegi offers finishes like this, even if you can’t see every detail.

Term

matte gunmetal

"every single wheel brain on the market right now has just cornered themselves with a matte gunmetal, matte black and like a bronze"

Matte gunmetal is a dark gray wheel color with a non-shiny (flat) look. It’s mainly about appearance, but it can also affect how the wheel looks when it gets dirty.

Term

matte black

"has just cornered themselves with a matte gunmetal, matte black and like a bronze and maybe a silver"

Matte black is black paint that doesn’t shine. In this conversation, it’s mentioned as one of the common, safe wheel color choices.

Term

bronze

"matte black and like a bronze and maybe a silver if they're feeling frisky."

Bronze is a brownish metallic color for wheels. It’s a popular “custom” look compared to plain black or gray.

Company

Martini Works

"So if you want to check out Motegi wheels, we do have all of them over on Martini Works. We'd really highly recommend checking them out."

Martini Works is where the hosts point people to look up wheel options for different cars. It’s basically their place to shop or browse fitment options.

Concept

drift set

"even chrome stuff we're putting the three spokes on the S15 for our drift set. Really excited to see that."

A “drift set” is the parts setup they use for drifting practice or events. It usually means wheels and tires chosen to help the car slide and handle predictably.

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