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Jay Gillotti Part 1

Jay Gillotti Part 1

Porsche Patter Apr 30, 2026 28 min
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About this episode

Jay Gillotti traces a lifelong Porsche obsession from childhood memories of Le Mans on TV and family Volkswagen connections to years of collecting, writing, and ownership. He talks through his history book, the 917 longtail story, and the 936’s rapid development from existing parts. The conversation also reaches back to Ferdinand Porsche’s early electric and hybrid experiments, then turns candid about the Nazi-era realities that can’t be ignored.

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Porsche Patter

"Welcome to Porsche Patter with Bracken Helms, the show where we hear Bracken and his distinguished guests from the Porsche community patter on about Porsches and all things automated."

“Porsche Patter” is the name of the podcast. It tells you the show is all about Porsche talk.

Topic

Porsche community patter

"Welcome to Porsche Patter with Bracken Helms, the show where we hear Bracken and his distinguished guests from the Porsche community patter on about Porsches and all things automated."

They’re talking about what Porsche fans and people in the Porsche world are saying and sharing. It’s more about the community and stories than just car specs.

Company

Circuits Explore

"Porsche Patter is sponsored by Circuits Explore. Circuits Explore creates authentic automotive apparel made for life-minded automotive enthusiasts."

Circuits Explore is the company sponsoring the podcast. They make car enthusiast clothing.

Topic

LA Lit Show

"I met Jay at this last LA Lit Show and as we were talking, we both kind of decided it would be a good idea to possibly have him on the podcast and for me to interview him."

They mention meeting Jay at an event in Los Angeles. It’s just background on where the interview started.

Company

Volkswagen dealership

"You got introduced to Porsche because your dad worked at the Volkswagen dealership. Yes, that's partly correct. And then also you were watching..."

His dad worked at a Volkswagen dealership, meaning the family was around cars and the brand every day. That exposure helped lead him toward Porsche.

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Steve McQueen

"...but Le Mans movie came on and there was the factuation with Steve McQueen. Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, for those of us who grew up in the 70s, Steve McQueen was on TV all the time."

They mention Steve McQueen because he’s the star of the “Le Mans” movie they watched. His racing-themed fame helped make the film memorable.

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Le Mans movie

"And then also you were watching, I guess, normal TV, but Le Mans movie came on and there was the factuation with Steve McQueen. Yeah, well..."

They’re talking about a movie about the Le Mans race. Watching it as a kid stuck with him and helped shape his interest in racing and Porsche.

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Gulf blue

"So basically took two cars, ended up with a light blue, kind of almost like a Gulf blue 72 slash 73 Beetle. And I drove that senior year in high school and then all through college."

“Gulf blue” is a specific shade of blue that people associate with racing cars sponsored by Gulf Oil. It’s basically a color reference, not a car model.

Car

Beetle

"So basically took two cars, ended up with a light blue, kind of almost like a Gulf blue 72 slash 73 Beetle. And I drove that senior year in high school and then all through college."

They’re talking about an older Volkswagen Beetle from around 1972–1973. It’s the classic Beetle shape people recognize from older photos.

Car

Porsche Cayman

"We also have a 2008 Cayman S. So it's a 987.1. We've owned it now for about, oh, more than 15 years, I guess. And it's nice to have one foot in both worlds."

They’re talking about a 2008 Porsche Cayman S. It’s a mid-engine Porsche (engine sits closer to the middle of the car) and it’s from the first version of the Cayman’s second generation (987.1).

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air cooled

"You know, I like the old school air cooled, but it's also nice to have a somewhat more modern car where the air conditioning works and the radio works. The Cayman S is a Macadamia, which is another interesting metallic color."

An air-cooled engine uses air flowing over the engine to keep it from overheating. The speaker likes the older air-cooled feel, but also wants modern conveniences like working air conditioning.

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Macadamia

"The Cayman S is a Macadamia, which is another interesting metallic color. We kind of like the nostalgic colors. So yeah, those are our two Porsches."

“Macadamia” here is the name of the car’s paint color. It’s a metallic color, so it tends to look different depending on the light.

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mid-engine car

"I always wanted a mid-engine car. So what article did you write in triple zero?"

A mid-engine car has the engine in the middle of the car instead of the front. That can help the car feel more balanced and easier to steer.

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Longtail 917s

"Triple zero, I did an article on the Longtail 917s. Okay. Yeah, we did kind of an extensive article on the Longtail cars, which were for Le Mans only, and which Porsche got help from the French aerodynamicists at the SERA organization to do the body work on the Longtails."

The “Longtail 917” is a special Porsche race version built for endurance racing. The “longtail” shape helps the car stay stable at high speed, especially on tracks like Le Mans.

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Le Mans only

"Yeah, we did kind of an extensive article on the Longtail cars, which were for Le Mans only, and which Porsche got help from the French aerodynamicists at the SERA organization to do the body work on the Longtails. Okay."

“Le Mans only” means the car was made mainly for the Le Mans endurance race. That kind of racing demands durability and stability for long hours, not just short sprints.

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SERA

"Yeah, we did kind of an extensive article on the Longtail cars, which were for Le Mans only, and which Porsche got help from the French aerodynamicists at the SERA organization to do the body work on the Longtails. ..."

SERA is mentioned as a French group that helped with aerodynamics. That means they worked on the car’s shape to help it cut through air better at racing speeds.

Topic

Laguna Seca

"I never got to meet him in person until, would have been 2011 at Laguna Seca. Yeah, I haven't talked to him in a while."

Laguna Seca is a famous race track in California. The speaker mentions it as the place where they met someone in person.

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Frau Baer

"She was in charge of the customer parts department basically. So if you were a customer of Porsche and you were racing Porsche's, basically Frau Baer was one of the contacts in that department who you went to to get your parts."

Frau Baer is a person connected to Porsche’s customer racing era. The host says she was one of the main contacts people used to get Porsche racing parts.

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assets on the balance sheet

"And there was always pressure from Porsche's accounting department, I think mainly to get rid of spare parts that were just sitting around because they had to be, you know, they were assets on the balance sheet, basically."

“Assets on the balance sheet” means the parts were recorded as company value in Porsche’s financial statements. Because those parts were treated as assets, Porsche’s accounting department pushed to write them off and remove them from inventory.

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spare parts

"And there was always pressure from Porsche's accounting department, I think mainly to get rid of spare parts that were just sitting around because they had to be, you know, they were assets on the balance sheet, basically."

Spare parts are extra pieces a company keeps so repairs can be done quickly. Here, Porsche had lots of unused parts sitting around, and the accounting team wanted to get rid of them.

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write this stuff off

"And so the accounting department would want to write this stuff off and just get rid of it. And Voschik would be like, no, no, no, let me buy it."

“Write off” is an accounting action where a company reduces the recorded value of an asset because it’s no longer expected to be used or recovered. In the episode, Porsche wanted to write off the unused parts and dispose of them.

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917 book

"And then the first book you wrote was the 917 book. And then after that, the Porsche..."

They mention writing a first book focused on the Porsche 917. It’s part of the story about the author’s work, not a how-to or technical deep dive.

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different generations of the 911

"It can be as simple as just the different generations of the 911, for instance, or other generations of other cars. And we throw around those three-digit type numbers pretty fluently."

The 911 has been made for many years, and Porsche changed it in stages. If you know which “era” a 911 is from, you’ll understand what people are talking about when they compare cars.

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917

"And the 936 is a close cousin of the 917. When Porsche decided to build the 936, they had to build it in a hurry."

The Porsche 917 is a well-known Porsche race car from the endurance-racing era. The host is basically saying the 936 is closely related to it in how Porsche approached the project.

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steering wheel hubs

"So for the 936 ends up with the transmissions, basically suspension steering wheel hubs,"

The hub is the part that connects the steering wheel to the steering system. In race cars, it’s designed to fit the driver and be secure.

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transmissions

"So for the 936 ends up with the transmissions, basically suspension steering wheel hubs,"

A transmission is the gearbox that helps the engine deliver power efficiently. In racing, using an existing one can make the car easier and faster to build.

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suspension

"So for the 936 ends up with the transmissions, basically suspension steering wheel hubs,"

Suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the tires stay in contact with the road. In a race car, it’s tuned to help the car handle better.

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Porsche 936

"And then the chassis itself was newly designed, but it's very similar to a 917 Can-Am car or a 9083. So there's a lot of 917 in the 936."

The Porsche 936 is a Porsche race car from the 1970s. It’s the kind of car teams built for long-distance races, and in this episode they’re pointing out its big Le Mans success.

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24 hours of Le Mans

"But this is a car that went on to win the 24 hours of Le Mans three times, which is a pretty significant achievement for a company like Porsche."

The 24 Hours of Le Mans is the world-famous endurance race in France, where cars compete to cover the most distance over a full day. The speaker highlights that the discussed Porsche won it three times, framing it as a major achievement for Porsche.

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Silhouette Racing

"he was concerned because Porsche was putting all their effort into what then was called Group 5, Silhouette Racing. And they plan to compete very actively in Group 5 for 1976."

Silhouette Racing means the cars have to look like a certain shape or style, even if the race engineering underneath is very different. The rules affected what Porsche built for that era.

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Group 5

"he was concerned because Porsche was putting all their effort into what then was called Group 5, Silhouette Racing. And they plan to compete very actively in Group 5 for 1976."

Group 5 is a set of racing rules that determines what kinds of cars can compete. Porsche was planning their racing program around those rules for the 1976 season.

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Porsche 911 Turbo

"So the car is going to be the 935, right? So it's based on the Porsche 911 Turbo with a lot of modifications."

The Porsche 911 Turbo is a turbocharged 911 model. In this episode, they’re saying the race car they’re talking about was built using the 911 Turbo as a starting point.

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World Sports Car Championship

"Then the FIA decided to continue with the World Sports Car Championship, which is for Group 6 prototypes."

The World Sports Car Championship was an international endurance racing series organized under FIA rules. Here, it’s mentioned as the series the FIA chose to continue, specifically for Group 6 prototypes, which directly impacted Porsche’s racing program.

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Group 6 prototypes

"Then the FIA decided to continue with the World Sports Car Championship, which is for Group 6 prototypes."

Group 6 prototypes are a racing category for purpose-built race cars. The FIA switching to that category is described as a reason Porsche’s plans and car development priorities shifted.

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FIA

"Then the FIA decided to continue with the World Sports Car Championship, which is for Group 6 prototypes."

The FIA is the organization that makes the rules for a lot of international racing. Here, they’re the ones making the decision that affects what Porsche can race and how.

Car

Porsche 935

"And the problem there is the 935 might win the Group 5 class, but if it doesn't win the race overall, you know, you're not going to get any publicity benefit because people only care about who wins the race overall."

The Porsche 935 was a purpose-built Porsche race car from the 1970s. The hosts are saying it could win its class, but the team also wanted to win the whole race for maximum attention.

Car

911 RSR Turbo

"The only thing, you know, major thing that came from elsewhere was the engine, which came from the 911 RSR Turbo that they had run at Le Mans as a prototype in 1974."

This is a Porsche 911 race version that ran at Le Mans. In the story, its engine was reused as the key “borrowed” part for the later race car they were building.

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924 Turbos

"When he came in, you know, the racing team told him that the only plan they had for Le Mans was to run the 924 Turbos, which potentially could win the class."

The Porsche 924 Turbo is a Porsche model that can be turned into a race car. The hosts say Porsche’s plan for Le Mans was to run these, but the CEO wanted a car that could win the whole race, not just a class.

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Indianapolis 500

"...we have this engine that we were going to run in the Indianapolis 500 in 1980... So the Indy program was canceled..."

The Indianapolis 500 is a major race in the United States. In this story, Porsche couldn’t run its plan there because of rule issues, so they shifted focus to another race.

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USAC

"...it never ran at Indy because USAC changed the rules or didn't give Porsche the ruling that Porsche wanted..."

USAC was the organization that set the rules for major American racing events like Indianapolis. Here, their rule decisions impacted whether Porsche could run its engine the way it wanted.

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boost pressure

"...didn't give Porsche the ruling that Porsche wanted in terms of boost pressure at the 500."

Boost pressure is how much extra air a turbocharger pushes into the engine. Racing rules can cap it, so teams have to adjust their setup to stay within the rules and still make power.

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methanol

"They said, hey, we have this engine... We can convert it from running on methanol to running on gasoline."

Methanol is a type of racing fuel. Switching an engine from methanol to gasoline isn’t just a refill—it changes how the engine needs to be tuned to run correctly.

Car

Porsche 956

"And then that engine goes on to become the basis of the engine that the 956 runs on in 1982."

The Porsche 956 is another Porsche race prototype that came after the 936. The point here is that Porsche reused and evolved the engine concept from the earlier car for the 956.

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Porsche 917/50

"they called it the 917 slash 50, but then they said, well, that's no good. It's not a 917."

Porsche had a race-car project that people initially called the “917/50.” The speaker says that name didn’t end up being correct, so Porsche changed the designation.

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Porsche 926

"So then they changed it to 926. It's not a 917. So then they had the type number 926 for a while."

“926” is the project number Porsche used for a while. It’s basically an internal label that changed as the team figured out the right way to name the car.

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group 4

"we've got the 934 for group 4, 935 for group 5. Maybe we should call this car the 936 so that they're kind of aligned with their type numbers"

“Group 4” is a racing category that sets rules for what kind of cars can race. Here, it’s mentioned to show how Porsche’s car numbers matched those categories.

Car

Porsche 934

"But then they said, well, wait a minute, we've got the 934 for group 4, 935 for group 5."

The speaker mentions Porsche 934 as a reference point for how Porsche numbered cars for different racing groups. It’s used to explain why they wanted the new car’s number to “fit” the system.

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electric car with the four hubs

"It was all the consultant stuff and the electric car with the four hubs. I remember learning when he was young, he put electricity in his house."

The phrase describes an early idea for an electric car where the drive system is built into the wheels (or near them). The point here is that the speaker is talking about early EV concepts tied to Porsche’s fascination with electricity.

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Porsches Career

"including our great Porsche author, Carl Ludwigson's book called Genesis of Genius, is one of the best books that covers Ferdinand Porsche's career up until the point that he starts his own company."

The Porsche Carrera GT is a very high-performance Porsche supercar. It’s designed for fast driving and strong performance, not everyday commuting. It may be mentioned because it represents a major engineering achievement from Porsche.

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electricity

"One thing is his fascination with electricity as a young kid, basically. First of all, nobody in his town where he was growing up had electricity."

They’re talking about Porsche being interested in electricity when he was young. It’s used as background for why he later became involved in engineering ideas related to power and vehicles.

Car

Buick Century

"...ot even, you know, it's two years before the 20th century. And he invents and patents, as you mentioned, t..."

The Buick Century is a model of car made by Buick. It’s generally the kind of vehicle people used for everyday driving, like commuting and family trips. It may come up in history because it’s connected to the timeline of how cars and technology developed.

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electric wheel hub motors

"And he invents and patents, as you mentioned, the electric wheel hub motors. So the motors actually built into the hub of the wheel."

Instead of having a motor in the engine bay, the motor is built into the wheel itself. That means the car can push the wheels directly from the wheel area.

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battery electric vehicles

"And that was his innovation for EVs, battery electric vehicles. He didn't stay with battery electric vehicles all that long because he ran into all the problems that we talk about today, right?"

A battery electric vehicle runs on electricity stored in a battery. The battery has to be heavy enough to carry the energy, which affects how far the car can go.

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range anxiety

"Batteries are too heavy. Where do I charge it? Range, range, anxiety, all that stuff he kind of ran into out of the gate in 1898, 1899."

Range anxiety is the feeling that you might run out of charge before you can find a place to recharge. It’s basically “what if I can’t make it?”

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lead acid batteries

"And remember, with those were lead acid batteries. So, you know, the batteries alone weighed thousands of pounds."

Lead-acid batteries are a very old type of rechargeable battery. They work, but they’re heavy, so they don’t store much energy compared to newer battery types.

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hybrid

"So that's why he pretty quickly switched to what we would call a hybrid. So he used a combustion engine to drive a generator to provide the power to his wheel hub motors."

A hybrid uses two ways to get power. Here, an engine helps make electricity, which then powers the motors at the wheels.

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combustion engine

"So he used a combustion engine to drive a generator to provide the power to his wheel hub motors. And in the earliest part of the 20th century, you know, the first decade of the 20th century, that's kind of where the focus was."

A combustion engine is the classic engine that burns fuel to make power. In this setup, it’s used to generate electricity instead of directly driving the wheels.

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generator

"So he used a combustion engine to drive a generator to provide the power to his wheel hub motors."

A generator is a device that turns motion into electricity. Here, the engine spins it to make power for the electric motors.

Concept

pure EVs

"They still, they still built some pure EVs. [1390.8s] But mostly what they were doing was hybrid with a combustion engine, kind of like the Chevrolet Volt, you know,"

A pure EV is a fully electric car. It uses a battery to power the motor and doesn’t have a gas engine for driving.

Car

Chevrolet Volt

"But mostly what they were doing was hybrid with a combustion engine, kind of like the Chevrolet Volt, you know, [1397.7s] a combustion engine that provides the electricity to the drivetrain."

The Chevrolet Volt is a car that can run on electricity, but it also has a gasoline engine as a backup. When the battery runs low, the gas engine helps make electricity so you can keep driving.

Company

Ferdinand Porsche

"But mostly what they were doing was hybrid with a combustion engine, kind of like the Chevrolet Volt, you know, [1397.7s] a combustion engine that provides the electricity to the drivetrain. [1403.6s] Um, so when you read about Ferdinand, a lot of times it says, you know, he was just focused on cars."

Ferdinand Porsche was a key person behind Porsche’s early history. In this episode, they’re talking about his involvement with the Nazi era, which is historical context.

Company

Ferry Porsche

"But we have to acknowledge the fact that they were members of the Nazi party and Ferry Porsche was a member of the SS. [1464.5s] Again, my feeling is, is that was imposed on them."

Ferry Porsche was another major Porsche family figure. In this segment, they mention him because of what they say about his Nazi-era affiliations.

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SS

"But we have to acknowledge the fact that they were members of the Nazi party and Ferry Porsche was a member of the SS. [1464.5s] Again, my feeling is, is that was imposed on them."

The SS was a Nazi organization. The hosts mention it because they’re discussing historical political involvement connected to Porsche family members.

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World War II

"So that's pretty good because that's coming from high level Nazi. [1509.0s] You know, Albert Speer was right up there."

World War II is the global war that happened in the 1930s and 1940s. Here it’s mentioned to explain the historical setting of the people they’re discussing.

Brand

Auto Union

"[1567.8s] But from what I've read, his personality seems to just be like stubborn and super focused on what he wants, [1575.8s] because there was times like a Mercedes or Auto Union where they're like, no, let's do this. [1580.3s] And he's just kind of, fuck you, I quit."

Auto Union is referenced as another German automaker involved in a “let’s do this” versus “I quit” type of clash. Auto Union is historically important in German racing and car manufacturing, and it’s often mentioned in early 20th-century automotive history alongside brands like Mercedes and Porsche.

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Mercedes

"[1567.8s] But from what I've read, his personality seems to just be like stubborn and super focused on what he wants, [1575.8s] because there was times like a Mercedes or Auto Union where they're like, no, let's do this. [1580.3s] And he's just kind of, fuck you, I quit."

They’re talking about Mercedes, a big German car company. In this story, it’s used to set up a conflict about decisions and direction.

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authoritarian environment

"[1596.4s] And sometimes he got had to go on the highway as a result of that. [1600.2s] But I think it's important to remember back to your original question, [1603.7s] I think it's important to remember that Ferdinand Porsche grew up in an authoritarian environment. [1608.9s] And he himself was an authoritarian."

An “authoritarian environment” describes a setting where authority is strict and decisions flow from the top down, with little room for debate. In this episode, it’s used to explain how Ferdinand Porsche was raised and how that shaped his own leadership style.

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