Jonny Lieberman: Secret Diablo Story; AI Debate;Ferrari interiors

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Johnny's here, and he's bribed us to talk about his auction thing by bringing us very expensive

You know, I remember how why I sent us down the restaurant thing before we hit record

I've been taking my trainer to good restaurants not like taking him like like he

I've gotten him into like good flavor restaurants. I've been taking when Matt's wife is out of town

Yes, Matt takes his trainer to a fancy restaurant

He's he calls it that some the down the down

Going to new restaurants. Yes. Yes, and he never been to Musso and Frank's and I was like, oh, bro

Well, what about like old rest so we're now going to alternate a new restaurant and then a restaurant

That's like 80 years old you got to do it because what sucks about LA is that good restaurants close?

Yeah, and like because like Connie and Ted's going out of business. Yeah, great

Restaurants close that happens everywhere, but yeah, but like I mean

You kind of said is amazing. You know every reviews glowing. They can't make money. Yeah, it's just it's killing me

But um, but I'm really excited. We're gonna hit do the dunes more

I'm working on that reservation, but the amount of traffic I sat in to fucking get here today

Like I can't wait for you guys to drive, right? It's like to my house. Yeah, it's okay

We go I will go to that side. I know I know but I'm like so excited. Yeah, it sucks. We were in DBX Lisa's comfortable

I was very comfortable. Yeah, I had that car over Christmas and it's it's a light. Yeah, I think sitting inside of a Nike

But yeah, it's it's aggressive. Yeah, you so kindly said people sitting in traffic to get to us. Not our problem

The what have you got? What have you got here? Okay, so I was like will it we're doing a later show today

Yeah, so we can quote-unquote drink as you said

And so I said, all right, I happen to have these back in the day

Will it used to put their bourbons in these cardboard tubes? They stopped doing that. So this is

Probably

Like

2000 they stopped doing this in like 15 or so I could look it up and anyone listening can look it up

So they've been open a while, but I happen to have three tubes of 13 year old bourbon

So that means it was distilled, you know, 13 years of like early 2000

So it's probably like really good juice probably I could look it up. It's probably like from Stitzelweller

Okay, Julian Van Winkle might have distilled it something like that. So it's really good bourbon cool

They're basically they're very near each other bottle number 1279 bottle 1327 bottle 14

Barrel number sorry not bottle number, but like and that could mean something it could mean nothing

It's in other words one could be from like across the street at

Heaven Hill one could be from somewhere else in Bardstown one could be from somewhere else in Kentucky

They just you know, there's each barrel gets numbered speaking of yeah, remember the pre-fire Heaven Hill

That I had yeah, I gave it to my dad for his birthday this year

Oh nice, and I brought it to South Carolina, and I gave it to him. I told him the story

And we drank it and it was very delicious nice

It was extremely delicious with that tiny little bottle from those like experiments that dude sent us

Yeah, and the pre-fire Heaven Hill was very good. Yeah, that's that's also the price on that. It's like what's

The press these once they're open the value goes to zero if he's not been open they're open

Well, um, yeah, this one is the highest percentage should we go high to low? Oh no

I don't like to go. I don't like I like to start low to low in this case is a hundred and nineteen proof

So it's not fifty nine something. Yeah, it's got a great like carmoly color. Look at it. Look at the color

Oh, yeah, that's nice. Let's go. What's the barrel number? I'll look it up barrel number

1279

14 years wait with the percentages is this a fifty nine fifty nine percent, but I said a hundred and nineteen proof

All right, so it's still this is strong. Oh, yeah. Oh, this was released in 2016 tiny one

It was at the gift shop at will it so it came from Kentucky is a hundred fifty nine bottles released and the estimated value is unknown

Unknown unknown no one has ever sold

That's kind of what it means. It's just opened and drank so I

Like that. That's like I was like Pagani for a while. They wouldn't let anybody sell the cars

All right, let's go I get that from here. Oh

Baby, that's just that smells a Fuego is my my friend. Let's do a listen radio

This is a Berber flavored bourbon finish this we start yelling each other. Here we go. Um, boy, there's like, okay

There's things happening

We haven't let's let's push these aside. You don't need a wall of booze. There's a

Interior right the luchae I have a lot to say about that. Do you yeah, should we wait till you get a little drunky?

No, I've been I'm ranting about it already in writing form. Okay. Yeah, you're not you're not into it

You're a Honda interior. What the fuck's it got to do with a Ferrari? I think you maybe you have to touch it

And maybe you have to touch it. Is that what I'm thinking there are some things over this steering wheel

I am kind of into I love the steering wheel on a Honda. I don't I just I don't know

I think it'll look cool in metal. So like Mark Newsen

You know like I've never seen him

Because he worked with Johnny Ive to do this. I'm like I'm a fucking Mark Newsen freak

Yeah, I love Mark Newsen Mark Newsen

It's great Philip is a big Mark Newsen fan too and has a couple of his like weird Ford concept cars and stuff

Well, those are amazing, but but again with those weren't Ferrari. No, that's where I was I was I was

backing up to get back to the fact that yeah that this dude has never done an exotic car

Yeah, but the but in the quotes that I saw from them. It was pretty much like

The screens and like the carbon and are like kind of like played out so we need to like go back to go back to

tactile

But obviously it's an electric car. So they do still have to sort of be screens

So apparently the tack needle is real, but all those are three

Screen gauge pods that are and then the back is a screen to the pods are rested in another screen

So it's like depth of screen

Yeah, that's it. That's it. I don't hate it, dude

I don't like for our his current system system

I should say this is a rendering so in real life how like because right now it looks like to me

There's three gauges that it looks like there's three real gauges stuck to an iPad

And I don't love that look and I think in real life how dark how black can that get but the steering wheel design is a lot of

What is the icopod?

It's a lot of that which and I think that wheel with that manatee, you know and stuff would look rad on

A modern Ferrari like on a gas powered one

There's a simplicity to it which again like you know simple can be good

But it's just it just screams Apple industrial design and again for a mass market consumer product like a Honda

You can have great design like this. I just think for a Ferrari. It's missing an X factor, especially that like

That like shortwave radio looking center screen if you go to the you know

Yeah, the center screen. I think is less successful to me than the gauge cluster and steering wheel

Which I like a lot like the shifter and everything. It's just very it's again. It's like it's cool

Yeah, like if I said hey the new Honda beat

Sure, this is not good

That that's great the handle and and then even even like the vents and stuff like it's I again

It's not bad. It's just not

Ferrari and also like know your customers like I hang out with a lot of Ferrari owners

And they all have like a big fat Rolex, you know what I mean like they they like a little flash

Sure, well, I unflash. Do you know anybody who's bought a puro song why though?

Do I know I think the bigger question is like who is buying the electric Ferrari?

I didn't even cross my mind, you know that part

I'm not even sure I want to buy the cool next gas powered Ferrari. That's why it but yeah

Like it's a key. It's the allocation key to me, but like could be yeah, sure

I think the successful bit is the bit around the steering wheel

And I think the rest of it does not really work for me love the steering wheel again, but not like like

Love the steering wheel, but it's also like you're gonna simplify it, but then you're gonna keep all the complicated

I don't know. It's they should have put it

Do you think they should have put holes in the spokes of the steering wheel? Yes, they should have put rally holes in the

Yes, that would be a good step. There's still time. Yeah, come on. Yeah, but yeah, I mean just the vents are

It's it's just I get it. I understand what Johnny. I've does I get it like that's great

Yeah, this is wow. What a great design for a mass product, but like this is an eye watch

Whatever it's called Apple Watch type thing and like most most for our dudes

I know one guy who has a for his aroma and he has a Apple Watch

But all the ones I know don't they have real big blingy things and they like a little drama a little so how okay?

One I admit that my judgment of this might be clouded by my Mark Neusen fandom and so

I'm

I'm like cool a fucking Mark Neusen interior

I'm not like I'm not going like is that exotic enough for Ferrari because to me that's like

That's awesome. Like I've been I've been waiting for something like that. And so it doesn't bother me

Whether or not this is Ferrari like because I really love this design aesthetic

Like I like it on the Ikepods. I've liked it in other cars and other consumer products and again the mark

Neusen Ford's are fucking sick. They're they're absolutely, but again

It was a mass market consumer good. Yeah was the idea. I'm just looking at this and like

You know again, it's a shortwave radio transmitter. It's it's like the plainest for vent you could do

I like that. It's metal sure who doesn't like metal, but I I don't know

I'm just again if I this this is the new design direction for Buick or Audi like oh, yeah, that's nice

I liked okay the other thing that this image does not show that I thought is successful is the

ceiling pod

The ceiling controller which has the like yeah launch the aircraft like launch button super cool

I liked that. Yeah, again, I need to see it that one in context

I like the orange but then but then just as successful as that was like the the shifter thingy was like

Look, this is an F12 interior that I wanted to look at like for comparison and F12 is not bad

It's not bad

It's a pretty good look at the Amalfi interior though. Amalfi is the newest Ferrari or the 849 interior

I think the the same interior, but like they're pretty nice, you know like

Amalfi interior I

Think it's not bad

But it is it's now that you look at this compared to the other one this feels very busy

Yeah, but remember this is the one where it's like everyone's like we need the buttons back so they put the buttons back

No, no, that's like yeah, no and like respect for that like yeah respect

It also depends on the color choices for this like that, you know, this

Yeah, yeah, right orange red on gray

If you click back there was one with like an orange leather interior, but so here's the question Johnny

You know, okay Ferrari guys have big Rolexes. They want mechanical things. Okay, fine

People aren't really looking for or asking for an electric Ferrari. Okay, fine given that they've decided to make one anyway

what level of

Analog can you make an interior in an electric Ferrari right before it starts to seem incredibly

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what level of

Analog can you make an interior in an electric Ferrari right before it starts to seem incredibly

Silly, so I think they have a very tough job

Yeah, dancing of going. Yeah, we're gonna get away from touch screens touch screens suck haptic suck

But also this is a purely digital product and we're we have really no choice

There is no speedometer cable out

Like you know, what are you gonna do?

Weird spot cuz I go back like the real photos act these renderings I think are like there were real photos

Yeah, people went to a press launch for the photos

So you know for the for the interior stand in a yeah in a mock-up that yeah

See here's the thing that photos act which is we're now instead of looking straight on we're looking at it from a side three-quarter

I think it gets better

Actually, I was just has a depth. I think it does get better before it loads like

You don't think that's better from the side profile. Yeah, it's good. I just it's just not screaming Ferrari

It's like it's like who put the Ferrari sticker on

The simulator dude, I'll tell you what if I could get that as a sim that'll be sick

You'll be able to

This is one screen away

These are real photos. Yeah, these are real photos. Yeah going down. You're close

I gotta say I bet you I bet that steering wheel is gonna feel great in your hand

I bet it's gonna be a lot of a lot of steering wheels feel great in here. I'm just gonna say they're in a weird spot

They're getting a watch designer in to do this Bugatti got Jacob and co to do their

Instruments like it's the high-end is in a weird spot and again

Here's what's funny to the Ferrari EV is an EV the new Bugatti's an EV people like oh, it's got a v16

It does have a v16 shoved into the back of

Three-motor electric car that makes you know what it's both. I mean it has everything it is yeah

I mean yeah exactly but that is like look if you're gonna if you're gonna go Jacob

Yeah, go that is the

I know what's the one complication that doesn't do anything you know what that's that's so funny

Yeah, the most useless complication like it's only good for wall clocks. It does nothing for this watch

But it's really like I mean that it's fucking so smart of them though. Yeah, that's it's no your customer

And go we're gonna make we're gonna make a hybrid and it's gonna have fucking a gear driven

Yeah, like yeah, and it's just you're just gonna see you're gonna run into shit

Cuz you're gonna be looking at the gears moving in the gauges like but again

How do you fucking hard dude? How do you sell an EV to a billionaire like that a v16 in the back right?

Because again, it I've seen the body and whites of the Navarra and the tour beyond it's the same car

It's just they took out one motor

And this is how you sell an EV to a millionaire

Yeah, yeah

I mean there is something like like you know a little bit like like oh those I like the way those gauges look

But they think they're actually recessed instruments, you know what I mean like they're not classic car gauges like that looks like I did

I just agree. I think they I think having a g-force counter is very stupid in general

I didn't mean the actual like I think this looks a lot like

Like 348

Little 90s, it's a little bit 90s and just clean and legible

This is definitely not my favorite style of gauge. I totally agree

I mean, but again, I was driving a two series of M2 CS and like I still don't know how that tack is supposed to indicate

I don't know what

See this it's like it's like it's like Geiger counter

So again, we're now looking at the center screen which from this angle

Which is we're looking kind of down it from above almost where the rear view mirror would be

You've got a bunch of these kind of nice looking toggles and real buttons and stuff. I'm not sure about the grab handle

The handle so you can turn it towards your

I think that looks weird again, it just doesn't look Ferrari. It's like yeah, this would be nice on like there's a new electric Jeep

Yes, that is a very that is a four by E. Yes feature

Yeah, no no four by E is then when you you pull handle and it becomes a table to eat lunch

Do the lines off the cable

Yeah, see I think these toggles for the climate control look great. I mean I like that

They're fine. They look like like organ stops, you know

It's good. Have you tried to put the heated seats on in a fucking an apuro songway my kingdom for a toggle like that

My in my life. I've put heated seats on twice. Oh, you tough boy. Never use

I put on a CC to every time I drive anywhere. Yeah

Yeah, but one time I was 40 below I put a heated seat on it. That was okay

But yeah

Anyhow, I don't know. I'd like to see the rest of the car. I'd like to you know anything

No, of course, you want to see the rest of the car and you want to drive it and you know, whatever

But how how you know a company that is known for engines. Yeah, how do you differentiate that?

I just don't know if this is engine. I just don't know if this is it again

I just feel it's like it's a nice design and also like I like those two guys. Is this their greatest work ever

It's kind of this is what you know if I said, you know, hey, you're gonna see like a new Johnny Ivy car interior like

Here it is. I mean look surprising their greatest work ever is the I kapod heavy pod

1998 I could put incredible

Is your point that this is too close a step from those things and you go, okay, they didn't really stretch like

You know, that's gonna happen like if this is the apple car interior, it's like, oh, yeah

I wouldn't be surprised if there's elements of the actual apple car the statute limitations

The non-compete clause five years for sure, you know, sure. Yeah, so that's all not again not bad. I'm just like

Maybe more exotic. Maybe when there's a car around it

That helps. Yeah open to it. I just like I was like

I

Don't know the most recent Ferrari I drove which was the 12c you drove it to yeah, I mean it's a rad car

Like obviously, it's a fucking sick car, but it's not

It's not the most intuitive to do really like anything and and yeah

You know and very much enjoy driving it but welcome a change when it comes to how you control basic function that stuff

I have no problem with that. I'm just saying there was like there was a luxury car vibe to the 12c that I was like

I was like, ooh, this is a nice like for instance the one I had had a

Leather swath under the seat the most useless piece of leather in cars

That's pretty funny instead of just having a carpet below the seat rails

There was leather as a $5,000 option and I'm like this I like so here's something

I don't like when a and this is not just Ferrari my my my Porsche has this and other other things

I don't like a

Haptic or a touchscreen button

To that activates something mechanical. I want a real switch for something mechanical like so to stiffen my shocks

I want to hit a real button activate nose lift. I want to hit a button

Not not poke a touchscreen. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah

So like I was like a little bit offended by touchscreen nose lift in the 12c

Yeah, I will say that was not in a good spot. That's that's not great

That's not it was nice. It was always there. They did a good job of like I thought it would go away cuz like oh, yeah headlights on a

Maserati

Go away and I was what I was driving

I didn't know they were in the touchscreen and I'm driving and everyone on the freeways like honking at me

And I'm like, you know, where's headlights? They're to the left

They've been to the left on every single car I've ever fucking driven and I'm like

I don't know how to turn the headlights on and then I hold over any and they were in the touchscreen in the center touch

Crazy and it's like that. I mean I'd saves first of all. Why are you saving money in a Maserati?

Second of all that how much does that save?

Lights light switches must be amortized amortized by now like across the Fiat group. Yeah

That's crazy. It was I was like what and I'm like looking on the stock and looking everywhere

Yeah, so like stuff like that needs to be a real button. Yeah, so I

Like I like that the toggle of occasion. Yeah bring on the fucking metal toggles everywhere. I like to any O's

Give me that give me that shit. That's my next car purchase. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in love with the any of us

We talked about this briefly briefly, but did did did we really talk about the adas that can't be turned off?

Well, but we've learned that some of the years you can turn but no, he's talking about the new one the new one you can turn off

Well, the old one was so insane

I don't even remember the old one, but it like the beeping

No, so the volume of the beeping was a comical well

The new one is very bad in the adas department which which which I had the red station

Which which adas function like the lane heave assist was crazy and like and it turns back on every time you restart the car

You have to go. Yes. Yes, you do the wood. Okay. Yes, but what they got rid of

That's such an improvement. It had the European speed warning. No, it still has that you but you turn it off once

It's gone forever. You don't know no no no

Oh, you know they it comes all of it comes back on every time

Every time there's a there's a way to do it because I

Went on the little mini launch and I took a car home for a couple days

The speed warning is a one-off you can turn it off. I wasn't for me

The owner of the company was there sure we fix that okay

It's like we listen to our customers like the stairs improved the air conditioning is improved and you can turn off the speed warming warning in America

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Be that as it may. Yeah. Yeah. The one I had every time you restarted it

It was full a-dash reactivation the lean keep drove me off the wall. Okay, the lean keeping

I'm not gonna excuse I will say it's the it's the botch system that Mercedes uses where it breaks a rear wheel

But it doesn't control the steering wheel so they have there's no they don't have any they don't have any

So it just fucking yikes a rear inside

Steer it out with that recirculating

But once you get used to it, it's like, okay, that's how it works

I don't think it was it doesn't I'm just trying to say before you buy one of these motherfuckers

You better hey double I check I told my wife

I'm like go driving around the block cuz that's our next car and then she came back

She's like fucking almost died. I hate this thing. It's horrible. The steering's awful. I'm like you're gonna learn to love it

You are married to a smart woman. I learn every time we go to dinner. I'm like

People say about me people's actually about me. They're like, they're like, oh my god, you're in fuck your wife is fucking on it

I'm like, yeah, we

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my wife was on jeopardy. I mean trust me. It's really yeah, how'd she do?

She lost by a hundred bucks and she's out of here kicking herself because she she she basically blew it on like an easy question like

What is it quints? It was no it was like it was like the answer was Tiffany's and she said Chanel or something like that

It was just a dumb like it was one where all the women were like

Yeah, I was like, but but then she got the final jeopardy question right and the other two got it wrong

But she lost by a hundred bucks

And but Trebek was still alive so she got she got there's like six weeks before he died

So she got to meet Trebek which was good. That's live. No mustache Trebek the end

I think it was no mustache. Yeah. Yeah, I watched so much

Yeah, he freaks out about her green hair and she says she's green hair. She had green hair at the time

You know, they always have a thing where it's like

Trebek was like so you one time in line at Disneyland you touched another person. Oh, yeah

So my wife was used to be a sword swallower

Like freaking out so that's pretty good rules. Yeah, she did Zach when you met Sarah

Did she by any chance have strange colored hair? No, hmm. Okay two for three. Oh when I met Amy

She did not

Purple hair up until about oh, yeah, six months after he got married, right?

Yeah, she all of a sudden hated all the wedding photos when she got rid of her purple hair

Just immediately was like I'm not back to purple. I mean it's purple. I like the purple. I like the purple

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So did you see a look it up here real quick? Go ahead. Did you see the other day the the lamb or genie?

Something is finally happening. Yeah, this is so exciting. So I got towed somewhere

Franco's European sports car. Oh, yeah, nice Damien Damien's doing it. Oh, is it?

About a drama a dram point five

So Damien's doing it. There's a there's a twin

There's a there's an I a nearly identical red red tan QV

We're right there next to it gold just like mine. Oh, no wing, but otherwise the same

Oh, here you go

Thank you. And so we got the car is it's a it's a it's a chassis

It's an engine. It's a gearbox and then it's I think 11 bins and five and five wheels

How long?

Well, he says we'll check in monthly

I'm I'm hoping to drive it by my birthday

2026 in December. I

Something's missing. We just don't know what yeah, yeah, yeah, and so we're gonna figure that out at a time

But dude you see you see the ad click over all the way to the to the engine the engine

Good now you forget I drove this car before you did yeah, yeah with that engine and that looks amazing

Oh, Zach the screen has turned off

The

The engine I mean it was it was fine, you know ran when parked but now yeah, we have new

I mean we're this thing was torn down to the to the block and we have new everything

So I I should have a

100,000 kilometer engine Wow and and a new completely new gearbox and a rebuilt differential completely new like a new not

No rebuilt a real completely. Yeah, yeah, completely built new clutch new flywheel

And this was done in Italy. This was on a top motors in Italy, which is which is a family-owned spot for many many years

It's where it's where Lamborghini. They're in they're in Santa. God. It's where

Sends the old engines to so if you send a car a mural or a coon touch to Lamborghini

Right these guys are doing the engine because I've been to Damien's shop

And I see I don't if he's still even alive

That's

But but also there's a lot of good, I mean all we have all new suspension components. They're just not assembled like they're there

They're those are all there. That's good. We have a completely new engine gearbox differential

And and we have like a lot of you know, we have all all almost all the things and you went in the back room there

There's a lot of donor cars. There's they never move again. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff by this

So I mean we should be pretty good

It's very exciting to actually have something we had Steve the best flatbed driver on the planet for JP logistics

He's the guy who collected it from Donnie's so we had him back to help out this guy's a fucking boss. I

love this guy and

Dude, it's it was a wild thing and we freed up, you know, this one car was taking up three spots

Yeah, so now we have three so Phil at South Bay is like so excited

We have to get new tires the tires are now fucking aged out and what's the what's the process of getting new coontosh tires

Oh, you can get them. No, aren't they unfortunate? No Pirelli makes them and it's it's like two grand for a set

But you don't oh, it's not like every seven years. No, they're not doing anything more. They just make them now

Yeah, yeah, they they people buying 80s and 90s cars want to actually drive them now, right?

And so Pirelli got pressured into making tires. You actually have two choices. Oh, really?

My car has the P zeroes, which are they're their new compound, but they look like the old tires, right?

There's also the P7 or P7 thousand or something. That's a full-on modern tire

Just in coontosh size. Oh, it doesn't quite like look right, but apparently it drives better

So maybe I'll try those. I mean, it's we're um, you know calf got them. Okay, you got the newer tire

He likes them. I mean, you know, you don't buy in coontosh for the handling

Many other reasons to buy a coontosh, but no and these tires because they're a new rubber on a nice day

These tires are fine. The P zeroes. Yeah, they're great zeros. Yeah. Yeah, they're fun

Oh, no, I was gonna say I don't remember years ago

I was involved with this like fractional ownership company drift capital and we bought a Carrera GT and F40

Yeah, and we're selling them now that the prices are through the roof. I'm selling it at Moda

But I'm flying out on Sunday to go I was gonna drive both you got points on that

I don't know what I have. There's a contract so complicated that my attorney wife read it and said, I don't know what you signed

so maybe

but

Doesn't matter it's it's it's all in good fun

but I was gonna go on to a video on the

Carrera GT and the F40 and the the F40 is on the original tires

Oh my god

And so we're like I'm calling ever called like John Tamarian and everyone in my family

Like I said at 40 wheels of tires on it like I don't have the tires

I got the wheels so we're not gonna drive the F40, but I'm gonna drive around the Carrera GT

Which is fine fucking tires. Yeah, we're gonna go drive the Carrera GT and putter around it. No, we're good. Yeah, Florida

Yeah, we'll even go to the concourse club

They don't want they don't want cars about to be auctioned off on track. Let's just put it like that

I know I mean it's well. Yeah, I know I did a photo shoot of the Concorde Club

Yeah, it's no and it like it's if you're not like mobbing like it's safer than the street. I agree with all that

Like whatever I don't like be here on Monday. I don't give a shit have fun. Thank you. Enjoy yourself. Sell the fucking I was just

Oh, yeah, I was just saying what's funny is the how old the tires are. Yeah, what about the Carrera GT? Oh do tires, okay?

Yeah, because obvious reasons, but yeah

Fuck me. Yeah

Boy, okay. Well, do you want to this is also this is also this is vanilla

This is like cake batter cake frosting. This is dessert whiskey. This is fucking fire

So oh, yeah, we're not we're not gonna paint the car, which is good. Yeah

We're gonna leave it scruffy that way I can just beat the balls off it for 20 years. Yeah, that's a good idea, right?

That's a great idea. It should be good. I yeah, I have that and Damien is under

You know, he knows there's certain things I want to be there for so I want to be there marriage

I want to be there when the car gets dropped on its on its wheels

The first time what about when the engine goes in that to marriage. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah

So that's that'll be fun. And then when they and then when they eventually eventually start it

So that's hopefully yeah, that'll be an adventure. We'll see what happens. You can't wait

Back on the road. I know I'm gonna drive it so much because what it's what a waste to have it in hello

There's four years

This is so depressing

Last show of it October 2022. Hmm. And I collected it from Donnie's in this condition

April of 2024. Okay, so it's been it's been a long time. My 914 should be ready by then

So we'll do a video a drag race collaborative video

Drag race we'll go to willow springs

We'll go to willow springs a little racy race. Yeah, I don't be a race to get them finished and then a race

Yeah, we first to complete a lap right right right right. Yeah, well, I'll have 80 horsepower, but it'll weigh nothing

Yeah, and if it's done three months before mine

Yeah, there's been progress on my 914 I'm very that's awesome. You showed us the interior last time in a lot

That's a lot that's a lot so this would be a good opportunity for me to make the interior real crazy in the Lambo

We're gonna we're not gonna we're gonna leave it a rehenal mad a rehenal

Okay, you want to talk about about? Yeah

My little AI nonsense. Yeah, nonsense. All right. Yeah, so thanks for fucking

Asking if you could quote me in your newsletter. Isn't it is an endorsement by the way? Oh

Right something and I'm like, I don't like you're like Matt Farah didn't hate it

Yeah, well, I quoted you saying like bro. I fucking hate AI. I do quote. Yeah, I hate AI for moral reasons

Yeah, I fully acknowledge that there are some instances that AI can be useful. Yeah, but I hate AI for you know, the theft

Yeah, so you should too by the way

I do as someone who's been

gratuitously theft it from for purposes of training AI I'm

Trust me I talk I'm now I'm now actually writing for an angel's death highway

Cuz I'm like I'm like you could be funnier. It's a good idea. It's not that funny

I told him that he I wanted to I liked his writing. I thought it was I assume it's a guy

I don't know. I have no idea who it is. I shouldn't assume but odds are high odds are high. I have no idea

You know, I tried to say that I would sponsor a

Human animated episode. Oh

Listen, and I said get a price. I said get a price. I don't know. I don't know if it's

50,000 or 50,000 if it's 50,000 we're not doing it

But like yeah, I would I like I like cartoons are great

I like paying artists to make art. I find joy in that totally

So I said get a price never came back to me and then made some more AI stuff. So yeah, well, like I knew the answer

He got me to go on a diet

Well, go to my Instagram for a second

Go down go down go down go down go down go down go down go down go down okay on the left there

So other is AI you know, so they're both AI me

But that was what AI thought I looked like two years ago and that's what I thought I looked like recently

I never that doesn't look anything like you like first off

The one on the left is Nino

But when I had long hair, I don't know if you remember a couple years ago

It's not the one okay. Do you watch the Lincoln lawyer real quick?

Have you watched the Lincoln lawyer? The one on the right is Cisco from the Lincoln lawyer

But on the one on the left, I know it's me because

I the character the guy hops in the car goes. I'm Lieberman and

I'm not saying that

The AI didn't make this as you I'm saying

But forget about the face look at the body. So again, I was I was much lighter and in shape

You were but you never looked that good

I love you too, Matt

Let's just fucking call a spade a spade dude. You never looked that good. This guy looks like a retired delta force operator

He looks like

Directing a black rifle coffee company

You oh no

Kilt is a powerful drug

It is I just I was just like I the other day who's fucking his phone

who's his phone like like uh

Lock screen was like this fat ain't gonna lose itself and I was like, oh dude, that's that's fucking tough and he's like

Yeah, it's I was just like if this is what a computer's seeing

But then I got on the scale. I am no listen. Here's what's happening

Speak I'm gonna tell you as someone who I don't know if you've been there, but I grew up not grew up

I spent most of my career being called fat on the internet about a thousand times a day every day

So every day of my life. So what's happening is?

The ai is reading

The comments of people calling you fat right and going well the masses have agreed

By the way, that's my goddamn fucking nightmare

But the masses just agree that I'm fat right because enough people have been shitty on the internet about it

Right, right, right. Yeah, that's what that is

They did it

But again

YouTube comments

Yeah, but literally he was like he was like whatever the ai looked at me two years ago

And said that's what I looked like and then recently, you know one I didn't watch this

Did one angela's death highway video do this to you? Yeah, those are both angela's death highway

No, no, I know but one did he like oh by the way, johnny was thinner two years ago

I was a low blow. I was trying to find the picture on the right

I didn't even know about the picture on the left

And I was just wanting to realize you were the after

Well, I never saw the one on the left

I never saw the question is did the guy writing the prompts that he make, you know, which video is first and then he go

No, no, no, no bigger

The one on the left is the gentleman driver's one one on the left was

The it was was first the black shirt

It was a nerve wrings

They're making fun of people that go to the nerve wring and then it's like this guy jumps out of the car

I'm leaving man. I drive the nerve or something like that

And I was like, okay, and that was like an earlier angela's death highway. So subsequently, he's adjusted the prompt to say

By the way, make leave me. I don't know how he does it

But then so the prompt dude is that being like this guy's

My point is I this got me to go on a diet. Yeah, that's hilarious and and sad

Yeah, but also I have this cool thing called bit better. Yeah

Yeah, oh, yeah, that's where we started. That's why we're talking about this because yeah, yeah, I'm so happy I parked cars. Um

So so

You sent this to me and it immediately made sense. You go here. I I'm part of this thing

It's called bit better. What you do is you drop

The link from a car auction

Into this. Yeah tool and it it essentially runs comps that it's a comp running tool

But but it well, yes one. Yes. This one we dropped it in. Yeah. Okay. So go go back to the cars and bids thing for a second

Uh, okay. So again, here's uh

them too 2018 with how many miles on it 54,000 and it's a manual and it's black and you know

So okay, it does so you get all that stuff

Then you go to when you do do the analysis and big better

It says here's your bid target. Wow. Is that really what these things are going for? Zach?

Why don't you have one of these because I already have a BMW. Yeah, but this is a better one. I know

It's a no you could probably sell your car for even money and have a 50,000 mile 2018 m2 that is tempting

Is that if that's really the comps? Is this because this one's got a wing and stuff on it

So I think that's why the price is a little well. We'll find out imagine what it smells like in there

So it's so so it says look look look look it says however at discount is necessary due to the engine tune and racing seat

Oh, yeah, which increase wear and tear risks and narrow market appeal

Yes, but into racing seat definitely increases wear and tear thanks ai well and narrow market appeal go back and explain the overall of like what

What in other words you're a guy on the internet you don't know the people we know and so you're like I always wanted an m2

So you go to cars and bids. Hey, there's an m2 for auction

Uh, oh, it's got 54,000 miles on it and a racing seat

Like okay, and it's it there's like time left in the auction. It's sitting at whatever price it's sitting at

Well, what what what should I actually bid on it?

And uh, we're pretty accurate like we we went we went live when we went live because we achieved an accuracy

Of like running a ton of these analyses where it's like damn because you know we wait 16 hours the auction's over and we see

What it went for so we can come it's easy to see what the computer predicted versus what it sold for

And it's like, you know way up in the 90s. So and it wasn't before we spent a lot of months where it's like

It could be better, but uh, we got there and it was consistent

So it's like, all right, let's go live with the thing and then so does this and if you scroll down a bit you can start to see

um

Like right off the bat potential immediate repairs and it's just saying on average

You know when you buy one of these you're going to be dropping this in and it's good for stuff

Like like r107s are the best because like you know Mercedes r107s are $30,000 with an immediate $30,000 need

You know and it knows all that and then yes it shows you the comps as matt said

And it'll show you like outlier comps and the the the analysis above probably said like yeah

The one that sold for 81 had a thousand miles and it's a cs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it shouldn't show

So it's not a lot of these have been selling at auction for whatever reason

Then it does like they should eliminate css

It doesn't it doesn't put it doesn't factor into the the range

It just it shows it as a comp sale, but it doesn't actually factor into the price

And then it'll show like key strengths but also key issues like you know

So the charge pipe is a common failure. It just knows all that

um

And then keep going down so it kind of makes you like an instant expert on what you're bidding on

Beyond the fact like I got a friend of mine. He's like I kind of want to box her

I'm like what year? I don't know. I just like portion boxers

I was like, what's your price rate? You know, it's just like that. It doesn't you know, people like cars

They don't know they're not us

And then it with it gets into like investment potential and you just keep going down and there's there's like a

investment potential zero

I mean, you know the right m2 nobody makes money on cars

Well, some people make money on very few people when you factor when factoring in all fucking expenses make any money on cars

I went through my

Entire customer base with eric the other day. Yeah almost none of their cars justify their own

Sure, i'm not arguing that sure cars cars money. Yeah, it's cause money

It is an expensive home to rent for a car, but still like but you know still like it you're not wrong

Most people most people under reform the index all that stuff

And they just think about what I bought it for and what I sell it for and not what it's service and costs

Insurance and fuel and tires like nobody's on it. Okay. Yeah

We actually factor that in if you go down and so here's like questions to ask so those those one through three

We always ask those it's like you always save the carbon on a track or whatever, but then these are like specific

uh vehicle questions, so you know

For whatever reason ai is concerned about the 90 custom 93 octane tune

I

If someone asked me what someone has asked me what repairs a car will need in the next 12 months

I have told them to quietly eat a dick. Well, but if you go down it'll show you and again

This is this is just pulling. We you know, we're pulling from all over the place, but if you go down a little bit zack

It'll show you the cost projections and it'll show you like

What you're spending the money on and it actually you can actually zoom in or you know, what's the word i'm looking for anyways

Not zooming like that, but like you can yeah, you can you can see like where the maintenance like what's going to fail

Um, but scroll down a bit more. It'll show you like common things that are replaced, you know

and then

Here's like, you know, if there's any you know, you can see the the estimated value is lower than what the bid is

So it takes that then long term

You know, you're gonna lose investment grade as you can see. Yeah, but you know, but again, it's it but this is like it

We're not trying to trick them. We're trying to say here's all the information

Yeah, and then the screen line is actually the value of the dollar right now

That's also true

But yeah, so you know and then it's you know, we say it has a confidence rating

So, you know in 10 years we're low confidence because you know again

Who knows but with m2s and then one of the thing that's cool that we're into yeah the build your bid so

For instance go down a little bit more. Okay a little bit more right there market trend

so like

The the ends are sold for 18 million dollars and then a week later another whatever some Ferrari sold for crazy money in Arizona

Right. Yeah, so the Ferrari market is hot

So in other words the auction results that this is pulling from like, you know, bring a trailer cars and bids primarily

Hasn't really caught up to the in-person auction

Yeah, so you can say hey the market's hot and you can click that and you can you know, you can adjust it

So you might say like and we do this other day

We had like a f430 spider with a gated manual where like

You know with the market being normal

It was saying like the top end was like 195 and we changed it to like the market's hot for our markets hot

And it said like I forget exactly like 195 to 215 and it sold for 202

So it's like, you know, it's cool features and it lets you if you really are buying a lot of cars

Uh, it can it can help you, you know to know how to bid on things now. We'll say you two dudes

I asked a lot of my car friends for uh feedback

You had the best feedback by far. So a plus

Best in terms of most helpful most also like comprehensive and well written and no no, you know, it's very it's very weird

I was like, oh Zach. Yeah, nice. I knew an invoice. Yeah, please. Yeah, and then you you said something maybe that's right

I said it's like having a journalist in your pocket. I was like, I will sell you that line for

Actually, no, what you want is a spot in the bunker

I mean because now he's on that team. So when you know, that's really what oh, right. Yeah, I just need a spot in the bunker

It's all right race will be held. So we'll be there too. Yeah, right

But that's that's our next so we actually launched and we actually got like people throwing money at us

Which was crazy. I don't mean like subscribers if we got some but like investors

We're like, hey, this is pretty cool

And what you were saying you were you were saying like this is great

But I'm not really buying that many cars blah blah blah, but I'm selling cars, you know

I want like a selling feature. So that's our phase two and now we actually have the cash to develop that. Yeah, so yeah, I mean

like

It is if you if you don't know shit, it is very helpful and a lot of people don't know shit

Don't know shit dude a lot of people don't know shit and and

As much as I don't like AI

Because of the theft again, it's because of the theft and the environmental things. Yeah, well environmental

Let's get green energy. No what this is. This is like this is like auction bumper bowling. It's automatic rev matching. Yeah, which

I think what makes me feel weird about it

Is exactly what makes me feel weird about automatic rev matching. I spent a lot of time getting good at that

Yeah, I hate it. I've never turned it on. Yeah, and and and like

You said like if you're looking to buy a car and like you don't know the people we know. Yeah

the thing is like

There's there is I mean, there's a lot of information here

But when it comes to like like the actual comps and the bids like they offer those tools

Like I think they are they offer those tools and they're very useful and they're very accurate

Yeah, and like it's not like that tool doesn't exist. Like it's there. It's really easy to use

Yeah, we're just both of these sites. We're just more accurate. We're just we're just it's just more accurate

Well, it just like literally takes the results and puts them into the thing

No, it doesn't lie. I mean again, you and we do that we we go to chat gpt

Replicate this website do bid better and it can't do it and and uh another again

If you if you did chat gpt it would take that m2cs and it'd be like, oh, it's also a 2018 m2

And it would dump it in there and it would it would inflate like we've done

Like what we had to do to get 9 11s to work

Was probably more time than building the site because you know, you say, um do a 2019 speedster

And it's like, okay

2019 speedster is a you know, it's a 9 11 where the top goes down and it's stickered for

245,000 there's also a lot of 2019 target gts fours that stickered for over 200,000

So, you know ai would just start looking at that or you know thinking about that and it would start influencing

So we had to like literally build tables to be like don't do that

a gt3

Touring manual is different than a gt3 wing car pdk

And and again like yeah again all those sites have that but they don't do it the way this one does it

And we you know we that's why they got me in was like to do like

You know a 1993 corvette is not a 1993 corvette zero one even though the prices are pretty close these days

They're different and it's a different market and you know just all that kind of stuff. So we really

You know, it's not just like

steel

You know cars and bids api. It's like take this information and then

Put it through all these filters. Well, it's not steel cars and bids api

But all the information about the ownership experiences all that sure is scraped from the internet the internet

Which is which is taking value that's put into the internet. Okay, and you're using it

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that's part of that theft. I just want like yeah, it is like it just is like

I mean, but we're not taking anything like creative. We're not but you might be

If someone writes of long-term ownership experience write up of the bmw m2 and they

Put that on the internet and they're trying to make a living by being

A vlog or something. Okay, but we're we're we're not looking at blogs, but you know, it's out there

And what else has anything is it's like know what to filter out also. Sure. Okay, but like I the way I feel about ai is because

People contribute to the internet, right? Yeah, and other people are building value

That's based on all that information

But those people that have done the the actual legwork to generate that information are not being compensated

So that's about how I feel about ai across the board. Yeah

Yeah, you made that very clear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel society is benefiting from it

I feel like 12 people are going to be the richest people that have ever lived

And everybody else will be worse off. Okay. Well, I won't be one of the 12

I don't think I'm the third 12 people and johnny. No, no, no, what I'm no what I'm saying is we can help people like, you know

Uh, uh, buy and sell cars better like I I don't sure

Like I don't I don't see the great societal harm there

I think the I think the overall is the great societal. Sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's sure

I remember I remember conversations like this like, you know, when the when google happened like you can just search something

I wrote like I want to you know, like you're my words. I don't see that in the same way because

You don't you don't but I remember when people did

I was there. Yeah, not that young. I was fucking there. I remember those companies, you know, so again like like

It's uh, you know, are you gonna like um, how do I put this like?

Okay, I've no come back to I hate AI because it's AI, you know, I mean like all right. No, I I feel like it is it is

It it gives

All right, excuse me. It takes okay far more than it gives back right from society

That's what I feel about AI. Okay. It's a it's a taking a technology

Not a giving technology. Okay, although again like with with fine

But with what we're doing like we're not and that's I mean again, we're taking like auction results and like

This isn't a public information

You know, yeah, you know, and we're doing something creative with it and we're charging for it, you know, you got you got to pay

Um, but I don't I don't see how like, you know the environmental thing. Yeah, absolutely

Yeah, I like the oligarchy

Oh, that's the oligarchy is extremely that yeah, I mean, you know, but but again like is is uh open AI

A worse oligarchy than Amazon. No, no, they're equally bad and Google equally bad all that then Amazon web services

Then the operating system. That's that we're you're broadcasting on right now. I mean, you know

Yes, in some ways, yes

AI companies might have a larger negative impact than Amazon because

Like there's a lot of articles now that the impact on

White color jobs, for example, will be huge. I'm not saying that that's those the jobs that matter

But this is different because when

Uh, like factories became more automated you could get a factory worker to go get trained to work in the office

But now you have AI that can do the work in the office also

So it can take the office job and then the robots can take the blue collar job of moving the packages in Amazon

Yeah, so both both jobs get

Never been any indication that the value produced by AI will ever be put back into society

No one's ever said anything fucking like that

In pure research this is simple and not to just like attack Johnny, but like

I told you this I fucking told you you want to come on the show and talk about this. I'm gonna give you my honest opinion

I don't think you're the devil, but I think AI is so bad for society. I don't think it's that bad

I do. Yeah, I think I think the environmental part's awful and I you know, and again, I you know, green energy is the way out of that

You know, green uh, uh solar wind, uh, atomic let's go

You know and then figure out a way to like deal with the wastewater

Now I think I think but what I what I like about AI is the aggregating of information to help people do things

And this is one of those things. I don't like when it takes, you know

Ingest all of hollywood's creative work and then writes a script and makes the movie and edits the movie

And puts out like or

If it can just start doing all of like the assistant jobs logistic stuff and stuff like that

But I think when people use it as a learning tool and in this case

If it can tell them a bunch of shit about cars that they didn't know that might not be in the comps also

That kind of helps the buyer be more informed. It does it does and I'm not I'm not anti-informed buyer

I just have such a strong belief

Such a strong belief like in doing the legwork

I have such a strong belief in not taking a shortcut

I have I write notes because it programs them into my brain. I fucking they tried to shove

Ozenpik down my throat. I didn't fucking take it right why to create a sustainable like, you know what I mean?

Like this is me. I'm someone out there's going. Matt's a fucking asshole. I mean, I would say I was no shit

And that's fine. But like the way I live is like by like

Fucking if you need to like learn something like I run comps for cars like tons of time today

Like my comps are accurate as fuck and I'm not smart and I don't have any special talents

And so I while they're yeah, it's a tool. Okay, but like

God it makes people dumber when they don't have to like learn a little bit how to do something

Well, but also I really don't want peer-to-peer auctions to have the human element removed from them

Okay, but I would say like, you know, it was back to your ozempik thing for a second

Like I had lunch today with a friend who's on some one of those things

And he ate a little bit less than I did same food and he took some home and I asked him like, you know

Do you have any problems or anything? No, I'm fine. I'm just I'm not judging anyone who takes fucking ozempik

But I'm saying it is a shortcut now. Look, I did I I went on a diet

I just lost a bunch of weight by like eating less than exercising which fucking sucks, you know

Like I hate it. But don't you learn something?

Don't you learn something by doing that could know because two years ago

I did the same thing and I lost 30 some pounds and I got really strong and then I was like god, I love bread

And I got fucking huge and I stopped thinking I wanted to learn but

No, I mean, I know I know how to do it. I hate doing it

You know type thing and for a lot of like, you know, again, my my friend who is maybe buying a boxer

Again, he's like, yeah, I just decided I wanted a sports car. He does other shit. He's got a full life

He's just like and I'm like, well, you could use this, you know, like and and he's like, oh, that's cool

I didn't know any of that now. Now I know now. I've got my report on the boxer and it's all in one place

I don't have to and you know the other thing too is like you could say, well, we'll go to forums. Everything's on a forum

Well, I do not say that ever

You should never go to forums forms are terrible

But if people start googling, right, they wind up on a forum and it's like

You can't buy them too. You know, you know, like, you know, I have a spare, whatever

I know that's a 9-11. But you know what I'm saying? Like so this cuts a lot of that out and it's a tool and and it's it

also

um

Our phase three shall we say like we've trained it on cars. It can look at pokemon cards

You know, it can look at anything you you bid on and it can it can do the same thing

And we're you know, we just don't have the cash on hand right now to let in the time to program that but it's all it is

It's just like we've created. I don't know software that essentially analyzes auctions

I I'm

You know, I'm not usually like a slippery slope kind of person. Yeah, but I just I

I don't want to see

You know where auctions these these auctions just become one person's ai agent bidding against some sell a seller's ai agent

You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. I just yeah

I don't I don't want to see that I

I I don't want to see a fucking world where the bidder doesn't have to fucking like learn a little something or to put like

Two seconds the number of times I see people

Wiring 150 grand having fucking no idea what they've just bought like it just makes me you're complaining about people

Because again, I know it says on the show

I would literally I want people to be less fucking dumber and ai's allowing them to be even dumber

But I would literally I'll tell the story all the time. I was out of this Bugatti rally

And a guy was like you drive a lot of cars. What's been interesting lately?

I'm like, oh, I just wanted to launch of the Ferrari sf 90 and he's like oh

And I haven't heard of that one and his assistant's like, um, sir the black car that was delivered Tuesday. That's your sf 90. Oh

You know what I mean? So like bolstering your case these these are you're not hurting my case either

I'm just saying people are people like expecting people to like if we got rid of ai people would get better

You know like no, but if we got rid of ai like those 12 people might not be oligarchs, but

There are

Ideally we'd have no oligarchs. I'd like to work to a system in which we don't have oligarchs. Is that like a boy can dream

March event of ai is interesting because there's a lot of there's a couple of states right now that are

Have proposed legislation to ban ai data centers period. Georgia did it virginia is doing working on it and in florida disances also

mostly because of the cost of the data centers and their effect on power so like

It would be a fascinating thing if two years from now

It's just like every state has actually says nope

We don't want any of these data centers like this shit doesn't exist anymore

it's not based on these polls from pure research most of the people don't want it and

I don't know this might end up being like this weird

Flash in the pan thing but I mean it probably won't go away forever

But it would be nice if it was if it was valued according to the value it actually brings to society and not according to the

Fucking hype machine. Well, yeah, I think it will shrink a lot. Yeah, okay. Anyway, my little app will help

Will help you bid better. I you said you said can I come hawk it? I said, yeah speaking my mother fucking mind hubby

Okay, so that is not your fault, but I just like that's fine. You know, I'm very sour on this shit right now

I'm souring a lot that I'm not and again for me. It's the environmental impact

That I'm you know, I don't like it's all it's all intertwined man. It's all fucking intertwined again

I read you read how the fucking epstein is talking to peter teal and those emails

It's like a it's like the script of that movie mountain head. Yeah, that's supposed to be satire

That's how these assholes are really talking about for the record. Epstein doesn't nothing to do with bid better

It was me Paul and rusty

But uh, he brought I bet you had something to do with some further fucking downstream

But I mean maybe you know capsules of water. I didn't want to leave the water in there

I wasn't shooting. I was I was getting rid of it. I wasn't like shooting. I swear

But then I did a finger into the glass and then I drank the water more whiskey johnny. Let's fucking go

Look, I don't I I I I

I agree that that if you know nothing

This this will help you, but I just I I I

So so sour on all this shit right now

And I just I feel like

I feel like value has been stolen from fucking all of humanity to make a very small number of people very very rich

And basically powerful beyond the borders of countries or anything like that, right?

but I mean like, you know, again the I don't want to say hypocrisy, but like the

One eyedness of like

You know, you're on youtube

This right now on youtube and you're decrying oligarchy is like sure. It's insane. You can't you can't you can't live

Like i'm not i'm not a martyr. You can't live in a society right and not

That's what I'm that's what oligarchy is. I can't escape it

Unless I do a tom winning star and build a cabin in the fucking woods

I cannot as any kind of shit in a hole. No, but like like that's what I mean

Like I'm I don't have a choice to what to deal with these people or not

It's forced upon me. It's tough. Like I like I remember one of my favorite bands when I was in college was this punk band 15

They were awesome and this guy he had this song about it's called petroleum distillation

And it was just about how horrible the oil industry was

And he was getting so hardcore. He's like he's like I'm not even gonna go on tour anymore

Because by my van, you know, like burns oil and I'm like, uh, you know, your message is pretty good

You should go on tour and spread the message and like, you know, like

Like you you gotta exist in the world and uh, you know, it

You see this all the time where you know, it's like massive corporations are telling you to recycle while they're, you know

Like stealing all the water. Yes, of course. Yeah, so

These are the massive corporations that I am talking about john. Yeah. Well, bit better is a very small corporation

You're fucking corporation the whole thing, dude. I know but but but again like like like

How do I put this? I I I see I understand your point about, uh, stealing from like artists and that kind of thing

um, but like saying that like

AI is worse than google that owns youtube that you make your living on I didn't say that

I did not say that. Okay, but like they're the same. They're the same. Yeah agreed. I totally agree. Google is AI

They're the same. Okay. What I'm saying what I'm saying, johnny is that youtube and google

Yes, we're vastly better products before AI

YouTube was a vastly better product before AI. Okay when subscribers got videos

When it was not algorithmic when it was well, it's always been algorithmic. No, it was not. It absolutely has not always been algorithmic

No, it was not there was there was years of youtube

There was algorithms that's not there's always before there was an algorithmic feed that you got there were years of youtube before that

What year like before google bought it google's always at you know, when you search there's an algorithm that says

Give this guy results based on these metrics, right? But that has changed. Yeah very drastically. Yes. Yes

Yes, but there's always been an algorithm when it became when it shifted from the I subscribe to these channels

And I will get their videos too. Yeah, I subscribe to these channels, but I haven't watched in a while

So I'm not going to put that's the algorithm. That was when it became algorithmic

Well, I was I mean in the beginning there was a bunch of different things like computer science

Algorithms are part of it when it became when it learned your behavior

And amplified that behavior back to you. Yeah, that's what I mean. Okay. There was a time before it did that

But before it did that it was better. I mean better. It was different. I don't know if it was better

How was it better? It was better because you could actually get your content to the people that wanted to see it

Right as opposed to

catching people

With a a big thumbnail and a bold fucking thing

And getting them in the what's next or just sure your audience go to youtube.com

Or pull up the app and scroll with what's fed to them as opposed to

Podcasting is non algorithmic johnny. There's a reason it works right now and youtube's in the fucking toilet

That's why uh because it's non algorithmic

You'll get it. Yeah, you're not using the word algorithm right like there's like the fact that like if you look at anything on your phone

There's algorithms that feed you every single thing if you subscribe to this podcast. Yes

It comes to you

If you don't listen for a couple weeks. Yeah, it still comes to you. That's because that's the way that algorithm is programmed then it's non

Self-reinforcing. I mean, what is the word you like? What's the better word? What's the better word? I don't know

It's how is it the youtube algorithm working out great for you right now actually? Yeah

If you want to look at my youtube channel, it's I yes

It's been a very we've had explosive growth for no discernible reason in the last two weeks

Yeah, like it as as Rylic said the algorithm chose you

But yeah

This guy fights me for 10 minutes and then makes my own point for me back to me

It's like a victory. I don't know the algorithm rewards you. We don't know

I made a good video. I made a video that went viral. I'm not viral, but it did really well

Don't ever use that word. Calm it down. Calm it down. What are you ready for buzz feed?

We have videos that go relatively viral

So

You know early 2000s. I mean so algorithm was just like how the thing this program. So it was pretty it was simple

Chronological system uploaded contract view counts were a key metric videos

But that was the algorithm, but they're always I'm sorry. That was when it was awesome. Okay. That was when it was awesome

You like that algorithm. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that's all yes when you fucking got videos that were shown to you in the order

They were uploaded and if you subscribed it went to your inbox and it was there

Yeah, I watched it. I guess I think I think I think what Matt is saying is that there was a time

When it was less manipulative

It was exactly and people didn't see the manipulation so they didn't refer to it as the algorithm

Sure

And then a few years ago lots of creators big small whatever yeah noticing yes and users

Yeah, I think people use the word algorithm without ever doing yeah, I think that's a computer science class

Right, which actually took one one time and sucked

Hard

I'm just that's not how my brain works. I took a computer science class. It was it was it was

But yeah, yeah, it's engineer. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah

What I obviously mean and I think is fucking common sense is the self reinforcing algorithm

That feeds you shit based on your watch behavior. Yeah most recently. Yeah, right again

You don't like that. I agree. I just for some things I like to watch on youtube

I actually like some of the my favorite channels, which are just dudes cooking steaks

I found because of the algorithm. So I'm not like super negative on that

You know like I would never found anything of interest because of the algorithm

Yeah, but what I'm saying is if you are a content creator

Yes

Who is creating content where you're review? Let's just say yeah reviewing products. Okay, okay, whatever products

The metal drives the view count. So if you have a

Product that's not as interesting because it's seasonal or whatever. Yeah. Yeah view count down right a self reinforcing algorithm

will punish you for that

And I don't I think that makes the internet a worth a worse place. Okay. I don't

It's been a long and windy road to get where we are now. Yeah, but AI

Go look at your fat picture is the ultimate

reinforcement

Of that is is where is the end point of shame me man algorithm, dude. Yeah, I to me it is

Yeah, I again. Yeah, I

How do I put this sure? I don't I don't even know how to respond to that but it

Again, we're trying to use a

And I'm not trying to like complain about why our our our specific video counts is down

I talked to Doug I talked to people across the board. Yeah

Nobody's having a good time right now in cars mine went up weirdly like it was in fact

I was gonna shut it down. I was literally gonna shut it down two things. This guy very helpful

You were like your your your thumbnails suck. Yeah, and so I was like, all right. Let's make him as fucking read

I mean that was probably the change. You got a big boost. It could have been part of the change

Um, and then uh, but I was literally gonna shut it down

And then I talked to Misha and he's like dude. He's like you got 10,000 subscribers

Like, you know how hard that is everything else after that's easy. You'll get up to where you want and again, I don't need like

You know, if I get to 250,000 subscribers, which is like, you know

Nine and a half x what I have now in a couple years. I'll be fine

That's you know, but it cost me so little to make these videos

We figured out a way to you know, you know, you know how the deal they look cheap

Yeah

But anyway, yeah, it's just it's been weird. It's been it's been going well. It's like last two weeks. I don't know what happened

We we gained like 17,000 subscribers. Good. Yeah, that's from your escalate video. Yeah, it's very well. Yeah

So I don't I I hope you don't you don't think that I don't want you to be successful

You know what I mean? I'm not it's not where that's not my position. I didn't think that for one second

I again, I'm I'm dopey enough that rather than change the fucking subject, which I should have done like 20 minutes ago

I'm just like

I forgot that I have this bid better dot ai company and I'm just like I'm not sure I agree like

Well, I my understanding of ai is like I understand a

And when I say understand like I understand

Uh, you know, uh, new six newtons laws of thermodynamics

On a third grade level and I understand large language models on a third grade level

So I like of that much understanding of what I'm saying

But no one thinks you wrote the code. Don't worry. Oh, yeah, I didn't write the code. Yeah, but

We have developers. We actually pay people to write this. Yeah

Um, but I just like I I'm like I know how to put this and I'm not saying this directly at you, but like it's very

Like it's it's the next great thing to hate is ai as a whole and there can't be any new ones ai is just evil and I'm like

Okay, for me the evil part of ai is the environmental part and and again

I'm a big advocate for green energy in general and that would solve the energy the massive energy consumptions if we have green energy

And i'm a big advocate for atomic power. Let's get more atomic power. It's super fucking clean. Yeah, we have a little bit of ways to deal with

That's a smaller problem. Uh, that that's what I believe

But I just don't think it's like a good thing the people who have all the power in the ai companies are voting and supporting

Candidates that support green energy good thing. That's happened. But again, but but again, but again

But again ai people are voting different than youtube google people that you know what I mean like

I don't understand what that means

Ai is that they're down with fucking up the environment. They're a hundred percent down what i'm saying is like is is

They're saying the ai will figure out how to fix the environment. No, they literally said that. I know

They've literally said that exactly

Again, what i'm trying to say what i'm trying to say is you gotta turn ai off

People are listening to you on apple podcast or some

You know, you know, they're watching us on youtube. They're all bad all of them are bad right

But ai is not more satanic than google it is it it is

No, it's the same. It's the same. It's the same google is ai. Ah, it's the same. Okay, so

Far's that's that's my point. I'm not you know that that it's like it started as a thing that wasn't evil

And then they got rid of the slogan don't be evil and then they became evil. Yes. That's what happens

I think the big question though is because google has a huge amount of power a huge amount of money influence all those other things

Yeah, uh, it watches everything blah blah blah. Yeah, it has its evil sides. Yes, but

Did its existence lead to

20% of the job market disappearing

I'm not saying your app is doing this. I'm saying I think that the

Only they're eliminated two percent of the reason so many people are rightly concerned about ai

Is because people that are working on the development side of it at high levels are writing articles saying

Oh, shit. This is going to threaten

You know legal industry medical industry finance industry written industry

All entry level jobs post all these jobs are going to be dissolved

Because of this I've read the I've read the articles like don't get a computer science degree. It's worthless

I'm saying that's the difference between

Google's existence and and google who owns gemini like google's ai existence or the other company's existence

Again, yes, that's probably bad. I would I would say like I'm just I'm not I'm never a leadite like I'm like

Jobs come and jobs go and I remember, you know, I was you know, I was told very young like

Your career hasn't been invented yet. What you're going to do for a living doesn't actually exist yet and okay car journalism existed

But like doing podcasts for a living making car videos on the internet

None of that stuff existed when I was 12 and I like cars, you know what I mean, and so so like

Like yes, uh destroying jobs, uh, obviously is bad except for the fact that it wouldn't be bad if the people were paid

If the people were paid to not work that would be fine

If you want to replace all these people's jobs is pay them pay them stay home

There is a utopian philosophy

What's I can't remember to call but there is one where it's just like yeah, if you have robots doing all the work

Take the robots labor and give it to the people

Yeah, I mean like people need to buy food and shelter and cars and all these things

And if you're going to take their jobs away and funnel that fucking cash

Directly yeah to sam altman and elon musk and all these assholes. It needs to come back

Get back to punk rock till we offer years ago a maximum wage. We've got a minimum wage to the maximum

And have you heard my philosophy on that if you earn a billion dollars? Yeah

You get to a billion. Yeah, right? Yeah second you hit a billion dollars. Yeah, you should get a trophy

It says that you've won capitalism right and you have to forfeit everything over that because like like a like a bar

At 2 a.m. Right nothing good happens after a billion under a billion. You're buying pegani. Yes and jets

Above a billion you get weird

My thing is and again, this is like

Like a billion's a nice number, but like this when it was on um, remember the old bill marcher not not bill

It was a politically incorrect. Yeah, so he had he had jell-o-bee offer on and he had uh, john stewart on back

But way before the daily show this is like 25 years ago

And jello said you're ever gonna have a minimum wage. Why not a maximum wage?

$100,000 and you start giving it back and i remember john stewart looked at him he goes a week

So it's like weird like okay a billion but like, you know, man, maybe you can do a lot of evil with 800 million

I don't know. I don't know where it is. I

But here's the other thing is you gotta go on somewhere billion sounds like

Why do they have to be such assholes like

Like why not like be a billionaire and like I mean some do but like, you know, like just like feed people and and educate people

And it seems to be x wives that do that like the gates is great

Beezus is x yeah, maybe like men if you get a big a billion dollars it all goes to women

Because that's back to bit better

But like, you know, we're hearing all these idiotic numbers from these, you know

Banker asshole tech bros we talked to and i'm telling my wife i'm like all right if we actually get this money like I get

Money to buy an inios and a g wagon

You take the risk because I I I turned money into debt you give me money

I will have a maxed out credit card

My wife returns uneaten gross chips to the grocery store. What yeah, she does you can do that. Yeah, you can

And uh, and uh, she doesn't know what her time is worth

But she also beat elon musking court so she can be in charge of whatever the fuck she

Yeah, but you know what I mean, so like but zuckerman was like, you know when I said

Yo had a beat elon and court he goes, you know half of the marital assets are yours

I had a guy

Okay, he's gonna remain nameless, but he's like he was like he's like hey, I played with your app

It was really cool. He's like start suing your partners now

I'm like what he goes there's gonna be delusion. They're gonna fuck you

He's like just start suing him now get it over with and I'm like

Like we got six figures of investment like it's it's not much to sue

He's like just just start the lawsuits start the process

Is he a lawyer? It seems no, you know, I'll leave his name out

I'm not asking his name. I just want to know his profession

That's just seems aggressive

Problematic technocratic bullshit is his profession. Um, do you want to uh talk about the diablo concepts?

Yeah, except

Fuck we have to do it on my stupid instagram because it was a fucking we transfer file that expired

I tried to email it to zack you guys are ready for the road rat, which is which is a nice treat

I really like the road rat. I pay for I pay for the road rat every month. They've never

Keep going. That's not true. I pay for it once a year and they send me way too much for issues a year

But there it is there left. Okay. Um, yeah

Hey, fucking road rat. I'd like to write for you. You know, I will say this

This is the second thing I wrote for them and years ago. I asked somebody like who wrote for the road rat

I'm like, how do you write for the road rat? And they were like, they ask you you don't ask them

See, that's the thing. Yeah, but maybe, you know, now that you said it, I love now that I've put the the road rat signal

Yeah, I don't think I'm allowed to I think I'm not I think for a track. I'm not allowed to

I would ask dan punn for an exception. Yeah, dan. She wouldn't care dan's. All right

So this was they were doing a 90s supercar issue

And I said, you know the best selling issue they've ever done not surprising

Well, you know, put chris harris on the cover or his story on the cover. It helps but yeah

I I don't know if everybody put that together, but it was a great cover. Yeah, it was good. Um,

So, okay, uh, I said I have a story. Let me ask the guy so years ago a motor trend car of the year week

And uh, we we always brought in, uh, guest judges. So in other words, so, you know

We get accused of being bought off

And to try to alleviate that angus mckenzie said we should bring in people from the industry

And we make them judges and that way, you know, if people say, you know,

How had the vote go they can I was in the room and I voted, you know, that was kind of that

It was and we learned a lot from them one of the guys tom gale

Tom gale was a head of design at chrisler for years

He was a damler chrisler board member, but he was also like the head of international when he was the vp of design for chrisler for

Like he did the pt cruiser. He did the 94 ram truck. He did the dying trepid with the the schnaz like that. Yeah. Yeah

and so

injection molded buttons and but lower and he did all the well, you know, but he did he did all those killer

chrisler concepts

So whenever we're at lunch, I was like tom show me some fucking shit

You know, he has laptop and he'd show us stuff and then he shows something really cool

And I'd be like and he shut the laptop and smile at me

Anyways, one day he shows me basically this photo

Which was actually go go to the this photo looks like basically a diablo. Yeah, pretty much

This pretty much is a diablo keep going

Basic is basically that photo. Okay. So this is like a rebodied kuntosh

So he shows me if you could maybe go one more ugly. It's so bad

Yeah, okay. So I go go go back to the left. Sorry go back to the left. So it's basically this car

Which is this was the gandini's it's called the p 140 the gandini p 140 and this or p 132

Excuse me, and this was gandini's proposal for the

Kuntas successor the photo we're looking at right now is right when chrisler bought

Um, uh lamborghini this is like 87. It's so fucking ugly. And so he showed me he showed me a picture of this car

It's like a bad movie sitting on

Uh, uh, lia yacocas tuscan villa stone backyard with lia yacocas staring at it sideways

Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck is that he goes

This is what they were gonna do when we bought them and we said, let's have a design proposal process

If you go to the next image

So this was the this is the chrisler design

Dome in royal oak michigan, which is no longer there

But this looks much more like the side profile of the actual

Diablo and so so

So the diablo my whole story is basically like the diablo was designed in michigan by american dudes

And then if you go one more photo

This car is the white car is the tooling model

And so they took this and they shipped it along with a guy named bill datan

And he went to san agata and when you have a tooling model

This means you build your bucks and your dies and your everything

Around this car. So the italians couldn't change anything because they're all like really good friends with gandini

And they didn't really care. Look, they just like gandini. But the other problem was gandini was actively

The the actual car and I don't know if it's on instagram, but it was two sided

So one side looked like that which became the chisetta morador. Yeah marauder marauder

And then the other side looked like the eb 110 and eventually he sold it

He first sold to maserati for the chibusco

And that project flamed out when fiat bought him and then he revived it into the original eb 110

And then he wouldn't but he wouldn't make any changes like that ugly diablo

tom asked him to make changes and he just he was like, you know, it was like the maestro has spoken

And they're like, we're not making it guys done some dope shit, but that car is ugly

Yeah, like that's an ugly car

And so anyway, so these photos were never seen by the public like basically this was a

You can you can see what's all in english on the top there

These are the captions for the photos and if you go back to that first one, there was a post-it note literally on a picture

This is from bill datan and he and tom said look one day someone's gonna say

You know, someone's gonna say gandini really did all this crisis or nothing to do with it

And he goes make a book so we can preserve it and one day a journalist that will come along and one day

A kid or a wild eyed scientist is going to come around asking about this book

Yeah

And so I said tom can I have the book and he said, you know, gandini's dead

The a lot of the guys that designed the the diablo are dying and they're dying unnamed

And so could you write a story which tells like the chrysler side and he he was very upfront in the in the story

He said like, you know, we hit it for a lot of reasons one like

We didn't think lamborghini customers wanted a car designed by the minivan people, you know, yeah, they're right

Yeah, and but he but it was funny. He said at the end they slapped on a

Designio, marcello, gandini badge on the side. Yeah, they did that anyway after after bill datan left italy

And he's like that was like the final thumb in the eye to us

Fuck you guys

But yeah, it's it's cool and if you keep going a little bit you'll see what I really liked

And I want to I don't I want to do something with them. But yeah, so these are original sketches from from this guy bill datan

William datan and like this is cool because this was sketched. I think it says 89

But you see has a vt. So the vt didn't actually come out till 93

So they were they knew they were gonna do the viscous traction thing

And I think where does it say vt? Oh go back to me. It says vt on there. Where? Yeah, um right there right there

It's like oh colorblind. Yeah colorblind this

I can barely see

Yeah, it's and keep going and then you have these awesome like here's the pop-up headlight

Oh, this is the plan. Yeah, cool. So that's a jeep cj7 seal beam

Quality and then keep going. I love this one where they're like driving lamps

You know for some reason we had to move them over three inches because of some, you know crash safety thing or whatever

Wow, and it's just really cool. But you see what's in English like it's not in italian

Ghandini did not speak english. Yeah, no one at gandini's tour and design house. You know, it was all it was all done

This is great. Where do we put the chimsel? Here's four places we could put the the third brake light

Oh, that's really neat. Isn't that cool. Where did it end up at the base of the windshield?

Oh, I think it did. Yeah, just like goontosh. I think yeah, I think so

But I wish I could get rid of mine stinks. You could

No, it's uh, it's like in some molded. Oh, yeah, it's molded in and then um

Like oh, this is great the key everybody's everyone the Diablo is like it's the worst fucking key ever

Here's where it came from. It's the it's the articulating key

It stinks and sergio had a problem where like the coontosh key will start the Diablo or vice versa. No way

I think it's jammed in so when we had mustangs back in the day

Yeah, if we ever saw another one, we would try our keys like a third of the time they weren't yeah

I found out from a dealer tech that there was only 12 Ford keys

So good. Yeah

Probably there's like two Diablo, you know how often back then so funny. Yeah, what if they're all keyed the same?

Sergio said he was able to start

I'm gonna get in this right. He was able to start the coontosh with the Diablo key

All right, I'm gonna bring my coontosh. Yeah key

To sir don't do it don't do it because it gets well

Coontosh is probably fine. I bet you all coontosh is the same key. Hey, probably why would they not be the most lamborghini thing ever?

I'm gonna bring my my coontosh key. Have you seen it? All right. It looks like it's like a master lock key

It's about an inch long. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. If you if you go back to the keysack for a second, uh, to the right. Yeah

It's it's the same key

It's the same key

They just made a cool flipy it like it's articulated. Yeah, they needed mark newson is what they really need it honestly

But I want to do something like make t-shirts out of this or something like because these images are cool and like, you know

I they're just again these images saw this that would make just the key the um

The center image there. Yeah

Uh

Would make a great t-shirt actually it would be cool. Yeah seven people would buy it

These photos and again, I have a hundred of them

These photos sat in a shelf in tom gales house on a shelf in tom gales house for

Since 1988 and 89 is when wonder what else is on tom gales shelf

Well, he said this is the only time he did this because he knew one day. Yeah, he'd have to tell this story

Um, but yeah, and the other thing and I will I will figure out a way to get you the the actual pd of next time

Come on

Yeah, you showed it to me. I showed it to you. Yeah, but you're a two

They were gonna do a yawp of successor and they settled on it's like like a mustang two

It's not great like no, it's not anything but

It's pictures of a car that existed that no one's ever seen. Yeah, you've seen it. I saw it

Tommy kennel seen it. It's not the best thread seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Well

Anyway, I'll save it. But it is it is a cool. I liked the miura concept for maybe like 20

2006 seven eight something like that. That was a bitch and yeah, I like that a lot. That was beautiful

They should have maybe not should have but that was cool. Yeah, but a little a little too close

Uh, Zach, should we do a couple questions before we before we fuck off out of here?

Are these like people that have heard us drunk arguing about ai questions or these are these were asked before

No, okay

um

All right, we don't need that one. Oh, yeah, we can look at that. Um

Okay, uh

Okay, sorry, I haven't pre-read these

Okay, here this I like this one tom marinello of rage against the makina

Yeah, it must be here

Rage against the makina would be kind of a dope shirt actually would be good

Um, that's like your position about the uh, the the electric ferrari rage against the makina

I'm just kind of raging as a relatively dull interior. We're going to uh says uh, there have been some postings

Recently of the bugatti galibier concept and it got me thinking that it was a missed opportunity

You know actually rode in that car. Did you it's a running driving car and I rode in it. It was like a sedan. It was

Yeah, it was it felt like a

Uh, it was like the nicest jaguar s type you've ever been

I've been in some pretty nice s types, but that's that's great. It was actually kind of rad

Okay, I mean it was kind of rad, but we it was a concept. So you need to let go fast

But like it was a very nice sedan. Yeah, it was

Yeah, okay. So the question is what are that? It's a missed opportunity. What are some other missed opportunities?

mirror two

Yeah, y'all put two um mustang three the mid-engine corvettes from the 90s or mid-engine cars from the 50s

Yeah, yeah, all motorama gm products

Oh the the buick uh thundercat uh the mybok accelerate. That's the biggest miss opportunity. That was the biggest one of all of them, right?

Xcelero Xcelero is out of us. Xcelero. Okay, you know that I saw that car in person recently

It's in Germany. The guy owns it. Is it run is a driver. Yeah. Yeah, full driver

It is it's even cooler in person because it's like it's like 19 feet long

You know that it's like the modern version of the round door rolls. Yeah Peterson kind of yeah, you know what I mean

But but but like yeah, it's just so much

So much, um, it's just it's a sexy fucking car. They should have done

It's it's it's that's the one and that's the best. Yeah, I mean

Oh

Yeah, what was that Cadillac 16 thing they do? Oh 16

Oh Cadillac 16 was spelled out the word 16, but also Cadillac cl cl

That was the greatest. That's the greatest interior

ever put the Cadillac

I think nine out of 10 missed concepts or Cadillacs come from general motors

From 1992 to 2007. I think I think the cl is more beautiful than the 16

So fire

Look at this thing. Yeah all day every day and then search cl. How do you not make that? So, you know, you know, uh, gael

That's essentially the same exact profile as a Rolls Royce dawn. Yeah

You know, um, you know gael, um, like it would be uh, yeah

He did the interior and it's it's like olive wood

It it's I was there. Oh, yeah, the one at pebble beach. Uh, go. Yeah, right there. That's the one

I was there

When they when they drove this thing in so fire, dude. So this was outdoors. Uh, go up go up

Where is the right there? Oh there on the right? So I was there when they drove this thing in

Oh, yeah, that's sick. Yeah, that looks great. I was there when they drove this thing in and we're outside and the

Air was sucked out of the room. It was it was it was just insane

So the cl the el mirage

Remember the el mirage and we came out it was the next year

Nobody does a concept and fumbles the bag like Cadillac. Yeah, I mean nobody

Well, this is a company that builds awesome cars like

You know, they mean like no disrespect to the black wings, but like they didn't eat that

Do you remember even the non-catalan? Well, there was that one there was a one that denition did there was a really beautiful

It kind of became the ct-5

But there was a beautiful concept car where it had like a luggage shelf that lifted in the back

Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember but you remember the rear drive Buick on the Camaro platform

Like why didn't they do that? Was it a wild cat? No, it was what it was. It was it was it was bad

miracle name it was like g in

Grand is like g in no seven or something. It was fire

I remember that the New York show they had a they had a coop and a convertible and it was on the Camaro

ATS platform

So it's basically an e46 m3 modern chassis

With a gorgeous little Buick body all also same era those remember those little Nissan rear drivers

Oh, yeah when they did the b the the bzx

Those two box designs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like terrific all a great era. Yeah, all the great we get to the whole show

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You know what i'm saying? Yeah

Okay, hang on uh, I blow horns. What cars have you driven? Uh,

That blew you away at how good they were on track as well on street something you drive a thousand miles and then thrash on track

Blackwing, mclaren 750

Uh

I got lucky. I got to drive the f80. I would that is it's such a great driving

Like street and track car like equally rad in both and I believe that and totally different. Yeah, I believe that just wow

I believe that I just think it's very ugly

Again, once once you set through the aero presentation, you're like, oh

But it was I was sitting with dampon and ezra dire imagine being at the bar

And you put that zippo like ferrari count key down the bar

And this girl says next you go, wow that's ferrari and you go

Let me tell you about the aerodynamics

They leave

But I was sitting so so that was the three the three americans me ezra and dampon

Um on the launch and we're sitting there at dinner like you know the day after it's kind of like, you know

drinking lambusco and you know talking about how great everything is and we're like

Is anyone gonna believe us when we tell them how good this car is and like, you know, ezra and dan are like

No, no, no, believe it doesn't matter. They'll just you know, but it was just it was just so mind-blowingly good

I believe that it's good. I believe that from the driver's seat. It's unbelievable. I believe that I buy that a thousand percent

That's that's the one where I'm like, I just I just will not be convinced that it looks good

Just which is a better person, but okay. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Keep us

Keep going. What do we got more more down there? Um

I'll answer that one about beating up zackerman

Food spot tour, okay, uh, right. Okay. Sorry. Hang on. Um

I want to find something really good. Yeah, I hope you and I'm not trying to just uh, just just wait draw out time here

Whatever dude. I'm I'm not driving. Okay. Here we go. I I

Demand a recount

I like that. Mm. Excuse me. Mm. That's a bourbon burp. That's fucking aggressive on the way back up. Wow

Spicy by the way, we didn't even announce spicy 2.0. We didn't announce this one. This one is um

63 it's fire percent the the second one we drank was the most delicious. So yeah

Yeah, yeah, this is this is good, but the second one was like tremendous. Oh god. Um sidebar

The Porsche is at, uh, bbi for service 7500 miles oil change filter change cabin filter change

and

bitim and mitch are working together on my cooling tune request

so

Do I need if we talked we've talked about this a bunch. We talked about it so many times

You want your car to cool better? Yes. No the bottom line my car cools fine

But it could be better

It's so fast. Yeah with the with the motor

That in order to activate the sport cooling program

Which is set up for the stock engine to kick it into sport cooling. I have to go

So dangerously fast, right? Okay. So knock it down a few miles for the threshold not miles per hour throttle position

Throttle position. I'm trying to knock it down to like half three quarter throttle for the sport cooling program

Yeah, anyway. Yeah, anyway 700 mile service new blackstone test. I'll have your results. I'm sure it'll be clean as a whistle

Cool. I demand a recount says

For years 300 horsepower was regarded as the correct amount

It was is that still true as cars have gotten heavier due to increased tech and safety features? No

I think I right. No, I think 300 horsepower was correct when cars were around 3 000 pounds

300 horsepower and 3 000 pounds is very is a very nice car

My bill gates moment was when I publicly wrote and this is 21 years ago that

420 horsepower is the perfect amount because

I was geeking off on the uh, the Audi RS4 and you don't need any more power than that

That was my my bill gates moment because now when my truck goes in the front wheel drive mode

It makes the best reference 410. You know what? I mean where he's like no one will ever need more than 600

Yeah, oh, right. Yeah, he's in the other seat

I want to okay before he was in the sd files bill gates said you'll never know who could ever need more than

640k of memory. My bill gates moment is now. Hey, Jeff

How do I keep my wife from knowing I got an sd from a russian hooker?

Right

Maybe we gotta retire that expression

Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna there was there was a there was a sorry my elan must moment. No, sorry. Sorry the head of the u.s

Patent office in like 1892

Suggested closing closing it down because everything that needed to be invented has already been invented

So that was my moment my u.s. Very fun. Um

Yeah, whatever whatever the peanut freedom batista and the rematch make that's the correct amount of water

um

I I think with with modern tires if you've got a car that is

Let's let's call it a good sports car weight 3,000 to 3,500 pounds is good sports car weight for

New cars these days is great 400 horsepower right there is the real sure. I think you could do like a nine to one ratio

Like divide the weight nine to one nine

Yeah, so

WRL where we race right in wrl

The gto class which is a higher one class above what johnny and i were

Was nine to one right that was the that was the formula we were like 11 to one

It was a 10.5 to one

I believe and they do it based on wheel horsepower not crank horsepower. Oh, okay

Yeah, I don't care because they they have a chassis dyno there

And if they pull you for scrutineering their chassis dyno, so so for us it was I believe

2820

20

I think it was 3,000 pounds

280 wheel horsepower was the

Also, I can shows up and they get pulled from that dyno. You know, they have their secret diesel tune. Yeah. Yeah

Uh negaro blue balls

What front-wheel drive car would be better as rear-wheel drive and what rear-wheel drive car would be better as a front-wheel drive

This sounds like homework. I'm it does sound

I'm not actually no no that's a great response to these sort of hypothetical questions

No rear-wheel drive car would be better as front-wheel drive. Okay. I'm gonna say something you're not gonna like. Okay

There is a car there's a few cars that are better

Because they're worse

Oh, you know what i'm saying sure

And the chief among them in my opinion

Is the reno r5 turbo 2 it's a terrible car which drives awful

It's like bad ass. It looks cool. It's it drives. That's what I realized you can sell cars that were not actually engineered

They just put stuff in and screwed it together

So if you if that went back to just the reno r5

I would say so i'm so I I don't know when this happened to me

But I got I got so into when I hear front-wheel drive. I don't think of like understeer

I just think of packaging

So i'm like well like you know outies have a lot of advantages being front-wheel drive

You know the bigger trunks and the packaging and more more rear leg room and you know

But then it's like oh, but they understand like crazy and then you know outie pr is constantly like stop talking about our cars drive

Which i've dealt with for many years, you know, you know, that's

Right

Do you have to always mention it? It's like dude. Yes, stop talking about how our cars drive is the

One of the funniest things I've ever heard about

I had to do I had and again

I'll give you a great example. I'll give you a great example. That's so insider, but like oh my god

Is that fucking cold and funny, but it's true right like like funny like we recently did

M5 wagging in our rf6, right? Oh, it must have been tough

That must have been tough

But it was it was it was it was two of us

And you know just driving wise not talking about anything else. That's a real unhappy goldilocks situation

But driving wise

The the m5 was better on a canyon road than the

Yeah, I know sure the outie ran into the typical outie stuff where the engines in front of their front axle

And it you know, it's the weight distribution is 56 44 and the boom w is 50 50 even though it's heavy

Yeah, and it drove better and man the internet was like so unpleased with my analyses. They're like

Obviously the outie's better, you know, I know I I agree with you. I think it does you if you drove both

Yeah, and again the m5 is great if you've never seen a panamera in your life

The m5 is dope if the panamera is wiped if if so, did you see the end of uh, of uh, begonia if someone

The m5 is fucking sick. Yeah, but in a world

In a world where the portion of panamera is a thing

I again, I've said this since the panamera came out. It's really annoying because

It can't lose a comparing test. It can't lose

There's no like even when the e 63 was at its mightiest

I remember we did we did we did rs6

E 63 and panamera turbo or turbo s whatever. Oh my god. It must have been a joke

Well on a canyon road, honestly the e 63 and the panamera hung they were they were cool

But then my buddy of mine happened to like he rented out streets of willow. So we took them there and it was like

The other two were on their door handles and the Porsche was a Porsche. You know, it was like, all right. All right. All right

Um, we gotta keep we we have a Q and I am on my thing. Sorry. Um

Can I tell a story from chat really quick? That's very funny. You're talking about the kuntashe keys. Well, you know

thing

This is a key situation with one of our frequent commenters x x's

She brought an s10 blazer to best buy they installed her stereo in the wrong truck

And the lady whose blazer got the stereo called and reported

Uh a stolen car to the police but when the police showed up, it was in the parking lot in a different spot after this new stereo was installed

So so this one way and said I want so so so someone dropped off their car to get a stereo

Dropped up a Chevy s10 hand of the key to best buy said the car is out there

They walked outside. They got in a different truck started it

Pulled it in parking and stole the stereo parked it back outside. This is why

Absolutely. This is why and again, I'm an old fucker. I'm old. I'm old. I know I'm old

But this is why I'm talking to like 20 year olds and they're telling me how shitty modern cars are

And cars used to be so much better. I'm like, you're so high. Well, I drove an s10 you asshole

No, look, there's a there's a

There's a you're right and also like there's a there's a tipping point and actually this leads us to koji koji here

Lately I've been seeing the 2000 to 2010 era of cars being described as the driver's era

Or the last great era of analog cars before everything went like fully digital

But still enough performance to keep up with modern machinery. Where do you stand on that?

I kind of agree. I I totally differ. Does it you do? Yeah, look, you know, here's what I was saying like

You

You go back to the 60s, right

All the cars sucked to drive except for 9 11's and maybe the occasional e-type. There was nothing good

You go before the 60s. Good. Good. The good one again. Yeah one more whack of the good one. Um, that would be this one

Yeah, okay, you go back before the 60s. No no car except for the gullwing drove good cars were all terrible

True. Yeah in the 50s the gullwing was the only good driving car that existed was it was it's actually

No, the 356 356 look 36 launch you'd be 20 aurelia

But it's like a very small number of cars. It's a handful. Yeah. So like cars always actually sucked and they actually are just getting better and better to drive

Um, so I I can't agree with that. Were there great cars from the 2000 to 2010 era apps of fucking Lutely

Apps of fucking Lutely, uh, were there great cars from 2010 to 2020? Yeah double apps of fucking Lutely in fact

I just didn't remember the uh, 997 gt3 rs 4.0 was a 2011 model and like

I'm gonna call technicality flag on that play. That's that's that's the that's the final edition of a

Of a car that was fundamentally before I remember the 2019

Porsche Speedster being like the greatest 9 11. No, they're fucking dope. Yeah

I'm just saying like like, you know what I mean? I don't think I agree with john

Because in the early in the in that era of 2020 10 you had bad bad paddle shifted transmissions

Then the next decade you had good ones e-pass started getting really good toward the end of you know, 2018

20 but it was pretty bad

2011 9 11

Right like a career ass from 2000. Oh, that's scaring was terrific

But by 2019 the 99 end of the 991

So but but but also yeah

But also yeah, um

If you want to drive stick

And

Yes, Porsche carrying it on

Aston martin makes some attempts here and there other other you you know to stick model Toyota, right many sticks, but

I mean look there are a ton of amazing cars

in that

In the 2000s that are that are manual

And are it's not necessarily enough performance to keep up with modern machinery. It's enough

Reliability and they're not gonna keep out. They're not a pain in the ass. It's like the air conditioning will work

They'll still feel pretty quick. It's it's it's it's like

They're those cars are getting into classic

The classic vibes and then when the car gets into classic vibes, you're driving it at eight tenths

You're not comparing it to its peers anymore

It's a classic mindset and so a 360 with a stick or a guiardo with a stick or an r8 with a stick or one of those

Aston's like

It's it's a neoclassic and so you're now moving it to i'm driving this thing at eight tenths

I'm looking for feedback. I'm looking for

Engaging with machinery

And for that

Like I sort of do agree with this sentiment. Like most people can't afford a brand new 9 11

Um, especially these days these days. She's like but I but I kind of do like across the board

Like every exotic manufacturer and and every sports car manufacturer was selling

A manual transmission car, you know for for in that window, you know, very few and you have switches

There's a gps screen, but you've got

But you've got key fobs you've got switches for stuff

The counter I'll say to that is I got to drive a 2009 gated v10 manual

r8 versus a modern current second generation r8. How was that? Oh the second gen was like

30 years better. Yeah, it was it was just not like yeah, I like a gated shifter and here's the thing

I bought a manual recently all these little fucks on the internet. They're like, oh a manual manual

I have a long commute so I had to get an automatic like I actually I bought last car. I bought some manuals

I like manuals the the the dual clutch

Everything every single way a car can be better

The second gen r8 was better than the gated manual v10

Damping steering feel yeah, right quality every power every single metric there is and I and I was just like

Wow, there's only you know 10 years or whatever maybe maybe 12 years between these cars one feels like a time capsule

And was you know, you keep saying eight tens like maybe seven

The other one you could pound the shit out of yeah

Well, I think actually you time capsule is a good word because one of the things I like about manual transmission cars

Is they are

Like a time capsule they're frozen in that they're not

Dependent on the latest technology or anything like that. Like that's one of the things I like

Yeah, I but it's just a mindset is different. You know it is it is

I'm just I'm looking at my phone. We've ordered food because we're having dinner after the show

I think we're too good to eat

Is that a thing? I've never had experience. No, no, but I'm gonna but I'm gonna eat whatever we eat

And you know then blow through my diet and be like, oh, there's a Chick-fil-A. I can get like something horrible to eat

Well, we have good food coming but not for a minute. I'm sorry. I'm looking my phone

I just I just don't want to leave somebody standing because the shop is now closed and I don't have people

I yeah, here you go

Yeah, no, I I think if you want a nice analog

A car that like a car from 2000 like my nsx great example great example my nsx

Is is is new enough that shit works

It starts every time you turn the nsx was so it was great. It was great

And the air conditioning was great. The radio was fine. Like you could use it as a car

Yes, but certain things about it the steering ratio the brake feel

Felt really old and like that's okay because I that was a vibe. I was going for it was like like it's okay

If you get a 2011 stick shift r8 certain things are going to feel really old

Yeah, but it's going to be modern enough that you're not going to have to worry about other things that might be annoying

The solution is if you get a you know a first gen r8 manual, don't drive the second gen

Well, that's the other thing. Are you doing a compare and test comparison test or not? Yeah, it was it was just

You know, I must say my buddy Misha had you know, he got rid of it, but he had a gated manual

And I happened to have the last r8 press car in california and I'm like, let's go drive him

And it was you know, he was trying to you know, like oh my car and I'm like, oh everything's better on the new one

You know, so yeah Ralph Lauren's backwards 30 mile fence. It's totally about five miles. But yeah

Yeah, yeah, good one looking for a 50k daily driver. I've narrowed it down to the g r corolla and the civic type r

I live in palace vertice. That's an LA

Uh, and and I'm mainly running around town. So outside in the parking lot. I am driving

The integra type s. Yes, I have it booked what a couple weeks

What a fabulous automobile

It this is a fabulous auto they took the and yeah, so acura has no ability to market

But they basically they took the civic type r which is

Really hard and they sprinkled $5,000 in the key areas and that $5,000

seat comfort stereo

Yeah, and the ride is like the ride rides like the last gen civic type r which is great the ride the looks

The hatchback the seats the stereo. Yeah, this is I agree with you. The one we're driving is the new silver

Yeah, it's $54,000. I'm getting your this car in like a month or two. Yeah, this car is so

Fucking great if I wanted a car. Yeah, like I'm obligated to buy stupid things for the lulls sure right sure

But if I just wanted a car and I was an enthusiast

Holy shit. Does this fucking slam dunk this thing? So to answer this guy's question

I that was those are my two choices. The corolla is also great. No hate on the corolla

Those are my two choices was at the time the acura didn't exist. So it's g r corolla

Or the civic and I preferred the g r corolla

Had I waited a few months. I probably would have gotten the acura. Honestly for a daily in la

I'd rather have the acura. Yeah, the corolla has a few things going for it

The steering is so sharp steering's better the all-wheel drive. You can kind of huck

It's all that and again, I've had so much you can tune both. I've had so much fun

You smaller footprint. You gotta drive my car. You really gotta. I should have really gotta

We got it. Let's do a thing. I'll drive your Porsche. You drive my car

I don't know we'll do two you want to take advantage of my racetrack membership. Yes, let's fucking go. Let's fucking go

By the way, it's a tax deduction. I

Everything's a tax deduction man. Of course, you're an escort

But you can't here's the point though, you can't go wrong now

He's saying you can get the corolla msrp and you're paying a don't pay adm

Just just it's not worth it for the civics. Listen, I I think you can get an integra type s for sticker

I wouldn't pay adm for a type r if I can get an integra for sticker. Take the 5k adm

Put it in the just get the acura. Yeah, and it's it's yeah

Here's the crazy part the car you have is a 2025. There's improvements on the 26 and they were like, I don't think it is

You know, they're I guarantee because they were like you want to wait and I'm like, what is it changes? 400 miles on it

It's brand new it's a 25. Yeah, and and they were like it was one of those things where they were like

Are you sure you don't want to wait for the 26 and I was like

They told me the changes and it's just whatever. It's just stuff. It's nothing nothing performance wise. It's all interior

And I was like, no, I love this car. It's great. I did a road

You know, I I did the scouting trip for the road and track

Desert 600 we're just coming in april come drive with me. It's gonna be fun

1500 miles beautiful drive. It was great and I

And I did a I drove an e-ray. Yeah

Oh my god. Oh, here's here you go. Sorry

Um, which is fine an e-ray is a very nice car. I haven't done it, but I hear good things. It's interesting

It's an interesting car. It's it's not for me, but it's an interesting car

But man, I was I was driving this this type s around. I was like, oh, this is the this is the car

The ergonomics are like ace. Oh my god. They're really good that interior

That civic interior is great

It's shockingly like again that to me that civic interior is sportier than the new ferrari interior

You know some of that stuff those vents the vents are amazing. They're amazing almost like pretty similar to like the zinger vents. Yes

Yes, yeah, it's so good. Oh, wait, did you have a you had to go in the 21c since I last saw you?

Yeah, you drove the silver car. I drove for 500 miles. Oh, you drove it on like a rally a rally

It was interesting. That's that car is cool is shit. It's amazing. I really am very interested in what those guys are doing

It's it's it's a tragedy. It's not tragedy. That's the wrong word. I don't know. I'm drunk

I wrote my review and I kind of reviewed it like a normal car and what I what I what I should have been was like

Holy fucking shit

This startup company. Yeah, they've never built an engine before and they built that so I didn't do that

So I yeah, I my angle for my review, which was for the the print book. Yeah. Yeah

was that the car

Is actually a side hustle the factory

The car they they built the most interesting car perhaps of this decade right as a side hustle right for their factory

incidental

One one one of them kind of likes cars a little bit

That's so you've got the tour where you saw the alien bones being built. That's crazy. I mean, it's but like I'm gonna have a go

You know the the silver car that you and I both drove that made all the rounds. Yeah, the the low drag which looks cool

It's the top speed car. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's fine

But I I really want to drive the wing car

So here's you know, you say this all the time and I've never really agreed with you, but you're always like

They just sell that to people. Mm-hmm

This is the first time I drove a car where like literally the second I got the full throttle

I had to break didn't matter where I was. Yeah, nothing moves like that. Yeah, it's very different

Even the f80 which was terrific, right? And it's also 1250. It's 1234 horsepower and the zinger is 1250

Yeah, but most of that's from the engine and the Ferrari the zinger gets 500 horsepower to the from the motors

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the acceleration and it's light

It's light like it's got to be less than everything else because it's just there's nothing. It's all that it's all that, you know, creative

3d printed bird bone hollow evolutionary bullshit the hr geiger goodness. Yeah

And so like the rapidity of that like it's the power plus the light plus the electric part

Like like a plaid is very like a warp speed mr. Sulu kind of tunnel vision thing that happens that is extremely unique

So so a plaid a test a tesla plaid is a thousand 20 horsepower weighs 5,000 pounds. Yeah, this is 1250 and they're saying like 3600 and

They don't like they're not italian. They're not going to start lying. I mean, I guess their first gambits are probably actually

3600 pounds

So

I don't know where you can drive. I don't know like I love the car. I love the accomplishment

I don't know where to drive it like no, you're totally right. Where do you drive it?

What I love about it is that even at very low speeds. You're going well, this is

This is a totally different thing

The view is right. I don't need to go a zillion miles an hour to be experiencing

Something unique. Yeah, absolutely. And and and so I because I did 500 miles most of it was just like freeways and sure

And like shitty, but we were on this rally and the roads were terrible and how comfy is it once you're sitting?

Weirdly crazy. Although, did you go in the backseat? Which car you're talking about?

Zack did the zinger. Yeah, zack did and it wasn't good. So terrible

So the the backseat a two-seater for insurance. Yeah, so the backseat here's what my little take on it

Um, I have exceptionally large calves

Wow, and I wear a size 13

That's no good

And so the the 13 sucks but the calf your my calf was wedged between a carbon tub and a carbon seat

And we're going around Laguna sake because because I got to drive the car everywhere except they're like

Whatever our corporate policy is you can't drive the non-wing car on a racetrack that I have to go in the backseat

That absolutely makes sense to me. I mean I was yeah, I'm not gonna anyways

But so sitting back there was painful didn't like it. However, I love the view out from the back because

It's just you have glass like right next to your ears

Yeah

But in front of you to see a seat

I was I was just staring out the window and I like, you know, I've done thousands of laps around Laguna sake

And it was just such a cool way to experience it. Yeah. Yeah, it must be and also the dude was you know, they put a race car driver

Was it Joel Joel milley? No, uh, there's a jewish kid. I forget his name

Anyways, but it was funny because he was he was tall but thin so he's like, oh, it's great back here

I love it. You know, I'm like, all right, whatever and then

He could drive and he flung this thing around Laguna and like and again, he's like

I think we're going like six tenths and like

Obviously, this is why it keeps setting the lap record in this car. It's like what randy's doing in his senna

Yeah

No, no, I mean he did a 22

Well, they sent the record and then and then the yes go

Well, you know, whatever song of solemn on or whatever

I'm gonna start naming cars, but like no, I love the zinger and again like that's their first car

It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's a game changer. It's a it's a wild thing

And I have a lot of Southern California pride like hell. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. How crazy is it that?

Zinger the sure wall

share a wall like the amount of value being generated and is one

Split building but also very few people

What I find really weird is this the singer with an s entrance is kind of nice the zinger entrance is like

Homeless a camera. Yeah, I know

into a printer factory

but like, you know, it's it's

like

just

it's hard to

Like

Appreciate amazing engineering and the hard work that these guys put into stuff and like whether it's singer or zinger

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, like those are things made by humans like really talented people like building things

And it's really like we we I talk a lot of shit about the fact that like

You know income inequality is like fucking up cars and and the billionaires have more choices than ever and regular people have less

than ever. Yeah, and so that's like a really conflicting thing for me in my mind between like appreciating

this thing that I got to like taste

And is like incredible, but that very few people will ever get the taste

So and like it's it that's a hard is this is like where are we how do we reconcile?

This is the hard part about life. This is why life is hard. Like I'll never forget. I was sitting with um, um,

Vettel Sebastian Vettel

And we're at the his last year racing

We're at the Miami Grand Prix and a bunch of journalists going to talk to him and he's like, you know

This track will be underwater soon because a global warming and so immediately every single journal is like

You you raise cars that fly on airplanes and do the year and he's like, yeah, I'm a hypocrite. Okay. Get past that

What are we gonna do about the fact that we're destroying our only habitat?

What are we actually gonna, you know and like I I bought my g.r. Corolla because I love it

It also burns gas and like dude like I I was

I watched the Super Bowl this new zeland guy

Jeff Jeff, but he's pronounced a jiff and he he works for some agency that he goes around and monitors

Deforestation. That's his job

And I'm like, how bad is it be uplifting? I go, how bad is it and he looks at me? He goes just just just enjoy your life

Like just just enjoy what time you have left

I go

What about my kid he goes you goes America you're lucky you have a lot of land you can grow food the rest of the world

Not so lucky

Oh boy, and I was like what this is a scientist. Yeah, you know

So yes learning to live with hypocrisy because like fuck. Yeah, I want to drive a zinger

But also like you're right income inequality and also like the the the the environmental costs of like

everybody's like

Boy re-electing trump was fucking stupid from the like why do we pull out of the paris climate accords morons like

Like why aren't all rav4s electric like you know like it's crazy like it is kind of crazy to me

Yeah, like

And look maybe maybe that makes me naive whatever

Born in 1981 born under reagan

clinton bush, you know obama

Yeah

Yes, republican democrat it goes back and forth, but I never ever would have thought that we'd go backwards on environmental policy

Like that's never that was like not the u.s

truly

Shocking to me to go backwards like dial it back. Sure the california the 2030 thing that was kind of untenable

2035 maybe 2040. Yeah untenable dial it back. Yeah, but the idea of like

Reverting like that's road. It's selling. Yeah, like public national parks

Like I can't believe that's happening and and and as someone who loves cars. I love I love racing

I love driving. Yeah, it's very difficult to to

To not be a hypocrite it is impossible and is same like you were saying before with ai and youtube like yeah

Bite the hand that feeds you like youtube enabled us to be here

Yeah, these systems enabled us to be here, but like they turned like they they they opened the door

There was do you know even when they got rid of it?

And like they turned and and and maybe we were naive then and maybe we were not appreciative or whatever

I just like we're not martyrs. We're just people. We're trying to make it. We're we're not we're running small businesses

We have jobs that a lot of people envy because we get to do cool shit

But like those jobs are like very threatened by

They're basically garbage

You know by by short form by algorithmic by ai by all this shit

And and and we trained that

I've been making videos for 20 years like I trained that

I know you didn't on purpose. It's great. But and so like and and and so so it's like, you know, where where is our

Value in that so yeah, it's tough. It's it's I don't know what the question was

I don't either, but I just it's it's hard to question. What is your favorite hatchback?

Oh, dear cruel

It's hard to be an enthusiast of these cool things and have a conscious what engineers are doing

Yeah, and appreciate that people are making things

And then also, you know, I like I have friends that like, you know

They just literally don't give a fuck

They and I'm like god, that must be like easy at night. So nice

Like so nice, you know what I mean, but like I mean, you know

Like again, maybe maybe don't do it

But if you look at what climate scientists are saying like we're so far past the point like

99% of all things like species that existed on earth are gone. We're ripping it dude. We're we're we're a fucking hellcat demon

Right in the quarter right now. I mean like the ripping. There's no there's no

Reason for us to be alive and we actually have and that's out to go back to this new zealander, dude

Kiwi dude, he was like, you know, the thing is he's like if you get trump out of there and get like a reasonable

Um

Administration there, he's like america is the only country that actually has the power and the strength to make changes that could actually help

You actually could and I was like, fuck, you know, it seemed like seemed like

This guy just for the record everyone listening super pro america. This is a new zealander who all we talked about

We watched a super bowl and he's super into football and he's had the whole time

Gif

It seemed it seemed like for a while we were maybe heading there. We were seemed like we were

the biden infrastructure stuff and the

all the all the the

You know the public charging and all it was going in the right direction and like

I'm sticking with it. I like my electric car. I'm sticking with my electric car. Sure. I you know, I

Yeah, yeah, it's just getting rid of getting rid of the $7,500 tax credit doesn't affect guys like me and you

But but people that want to buy cheap electric. I think it I think it made it was a it's a huge

It's a huge thing. We need to have that back or yeah that getting rid of it was a problem because I didn't I didn't get

I've had two electric cars. I don't qualify for the tax credit on either of them and it was still worthwhile

Yeah, I got I got I snuck it in on the rivian, but um, here's the thing

No one remembers like oil the oil industry is so subsidized like this. Yeah, there's not a $7,500 credit

But like your gasoline like oil companies don't pay taxes on their first 27% of profit

Like it's insane. Imagine like if you could get that

That would be sweet. Yeah, that would be fucking sweet. Yeah. I was george morse senior and james baker, by the way

I meant that I don't complain about it. And I absolutely I pay

I'm happy to pay my taxes. I don't complain. I feel like my taxes buy me civilization

I had one year that was like fuck. Well, I meant that I meant that that peak taxes

Where I don't have enough. Yeah, I don't make enough to start scamming

You know, but I'm in the top bracket. Yes

Uh, it's okay though. I we don't it doesn't bother me. No, but you're coming. I want to I want to wrap this show up

It's been a long show. It's been a good show. Yeah, it's heavy bike. It's heavy bike. We're whisking. We got barbecue waiting for us

I want to fucking get to that we

You're gonna be at the ice race or no. No, I'm gonna be a moda

Slanging these fucking whips. I see actually nothing to do unrelated. I'm just I'm just like

I

Can't really just if like the column I would write for motor trainer or whoever about the ice race

I understand doesn't justify me going. I'm uh rm is uh working for them is miami

So that justifies it. Yes. Zach and I are ice racing. Nice. I wanted to go

We I'm writing a column for road and track and also we've they've uh, they've done some of the upgrades on the max

They did half of them. They did the valves. So the valves are not the intake and exhaust valves

It's the decompression valve for the starting thing

They've that we have an upgraded valve system. Are you taking that to ice race? Oh, yeah

Oh my god, I hope it's not if you're driven like a convertible in like really cold weather

Like minus it'll be fine. Yeah, how bad could it be? Same as snowboarding going slower. I'm even slower than skiing

How bad could it be? Can I tell a little anecdote?

Yeah, sure

Years ago me and Justin bell were in ariaplog doing the amg winter driving academy and they had a they had a whatever it was

slk slc convertible

And we were like, oh could we put the top down? We look cool on video and the lady's like no

It's not allowed. It's dangerous. It's you know, you lose control in snow

And she's like if if people see you doing that then they'll want to do that

No, and I'm like, well, what if we send the video like if you've won

Uh lamont 24 hours, you can put the top down

But if you haven't you have to keep the top up and she was like, no you already broken every fucking rule

Anyway, so we kept the top up. We're like, let's put the windows down as we're like sideways drifting

It was minus 25. I don't think it'll be that cold. I don't think it'll be any right now

The low is 18. Yeah, I don't know nowhere near that dude

Like we put the window up and like to say we thought we were like outsmarting her and sticking our arms out the window

Like it was still fucking cool. Well, hang on. So first off and we're drifting speed

I'm probably gonna be going slower than I would go if I was skiing

I'm also gonna be I'm gonna be wearing a full ski outfit. Okay plus a helmet full face helmet. Oh full face helmet helps

Yeah, that's that's all you know it. Oh, okay. Yeah, so like I think I'll be okay. I take it all back

Yeah, we got spike tires

We got full we got full spikes going. Oh, it's gonna be so fun. Oh, it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be amazing

If you can get to ice race come to ice race. Yeah

You and I are uh, we're both going to be maybe at the heritage invitation. Yes, Zach and I are confirmed Carolina

I'm confirmed. I'm as confirmed as you are. So Zach and I are confirmed. It's going to be april

10th april 10th is going to be the live podcast

It's going to be at the heritage invitational at the 10 tenths motor club outside of charlotte

Tickets are available to the public. You buy a ticket for friday. It's good for all day including the podcast

So it's a whole day ticket. It's very affordable. There's going to be a bunch of cool shit going on and zack and I are doing a live show

Uh, a couple hundred people. It's going to be fucking awesome. It's going to be great

I'll check down some moonshine and bring it to the show. It's going to be fabulous

So if you're in north carolina and you want to come out to that it's going to be in april

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Our patrons are aces. I'm sorry. We didn't get to all of your questions today, but you know how it is

This was going to be a chatty show. We weren't going to get to that many questions

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Good motherfucking evening

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