Launch Episode! The Ballast Boys Reunited: Ron Zaras, Vin Anatra

Welcome, welcome to the first ever episode

of Very Vehicular.

This show about cars with a mixed formula.

We're gonna try something different.

It might just be me.

It might be me and two others might be me and three others.

You never know what you're gonna get.

This is gonna be the test form

for a lot of other things we do moving forward.

If you don't know much about me, a quick little background.

I started in the print industry.

I ran a magazine called Zero to Sixty.

I also did a magazine called Rides.

And Dunk Bucks and Bubble for those who know.

Towards the end of my stintin' magazines,

I met a guy from the skateboard world named Ken Block.

We did these videos.

You might have seen him.

And then we started this small little company called Hoonigan.

And today's guest you probably know best

from that little company.

Ron Zarris and Vin and Nacho are here.

The Ballast Boys reunited.

If you watched our content on Hoonigan,

you'll know that I got into a lot of crazy adventures

with these two boys.

First up is Ron.

Ron Zarris worked with me at Zero to Sixty magazine

back in the day.

He was my intern.

He then came with me to work on Ken Block's team

when it was still Monster World Rally.

He spent a long time there

and then eventually joined me at Hoonigan.

Ron, aside from now being a Pikes Peak record holder,

is starting a new rally company.

Plenty of that to dive into.

Second guest, Vin, was actually a guy

who I met way back in the day

when I was running a Volkswagen Audi car club

called Auto Creek at events.

He was a little BMX kid who would come out to the events.

Eventually, there was an opportunity for him

to come join Hoonigan and he became one

of the big personalities at the brand on camera.

And I couldn't think of two better people

to help kick this off,

mostly because we are completely unfiltered

and honest with each other.

Lot of great attitude and chemistry with this bunch.

We get into a lot of really fun topics.

And if you want even more,

we have a Patreon for that too, so go check it out.

So let's get into it.

But first, a word from our partners.

And hold on, before you scrub ahead,

these are the good partners.

These are people who have supported me

through multiple chapters of my life.

And they are, they're one of us.

They're car guys, they're good brands, so pick a listen.

All right, folks.

So this first season of Very Vehicular

is brought to you by our good friends at Viper Industrial.

I met them a couple of years ago

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And I looked at this thing and I said,

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But that has nothing to do with the tires that are on it.

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["Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy"]

All right boys, welcome to-

Very vehicular.

I'm so happy that we can start this off

with the OG ballast crew.

Man, we're honored.

We really are.

Yeah, you cleaned your garage for us.

I kind of actually thought that you were guys,

the only people who would have the patience to deal

with the bullshit it would take to come

and record an episode.

No, but like-

Yeah, zero patience over here.

You literally have zero chill,

but you tolerate me for whatever reason.

I think the problem is, is that most guests

that will come on,

a lot of them don't know what they're getting into, right?

So they go in, they're excited.

They're like, oh, I'm gonna do a podcast with Scott-o.

And then hour seven, they're like.

Oh God, like the asbestos starts raining down

from the popcorn, like-

He's only on postcard one.

Index card one flips around on hour three.

Meanwhile, like we know we go into this knowing, but you know.

It's the knowing,

because I do think that to somehow a good percentage

of the automotive population,

I present as like a functioning human being.

Yeah, but you guys know that I'm not.

But it's okay, cause none of us are.

So that's how we commiserate.

Yeah, so what's new?

Cause we're gonna pretend like we don't talk

to each other every day.

Cause do you guys get this?

Do you guys get like from whatever you wanna call

in the audience?

I always think it's weird to call people fans,

but like, you know, from the viewers,

do you get people being like,

man, do you still see Scott-o?

Do you still, like, do you get that?

Cause people all the time are like,

do you still see Vin?

Do you still see Ron?

Like they live in the same neighborhood as me.

See, I don't think I get that because of YouTube.

Like you guys are on the channel enough,

which isn't even that often.

But you know, to the audience,

like they see-

They're like, oh, you guys hang out.

Or Ron in an episode and they're like,

oh yeah, things are just normal.

Yeah.

And it's like, no, I haven't seen Brian since that episode,

which was like three months ago,

but the world according to you.

The only reason I saw Brian anytime

in the last couple of weeks,

do you-

No, go ahead, go ahead.

Just out me.

We're not even two minutes in.

Just go ahead.

This was so precious.

Peak mail companion.

I don't wanna, look, okay.

It happens to all of us.

It happens to me.

Something happened with the rabbit.

You know, it's an older car, things happen.

So Scott-o hits up the group chat on the text

and he's like, hey, can anyone give me a tell?

And out of town, Tony's like, I'm in Seattle.

Not that Tony was gonna show up anyway.

You were doing some stuff and I was like, yeah,

I got the GX, you know, I'm gonna go buy a tow rope.

Why not have an excuse?

And then next thing I know-

Let's also be honest, you need a side quest.

It was the middle of the day.

Absolutely.

He probably was sitting in front of a computer

for six hours.

I was procrastinating wrong something.

Honestly, that's like a, you just ate lunch or bored.

Yeah.

Like it's either sit on your computer

or like go do this random mission.

It's kind of sick.

100%.

And it's within the bubble.

It's like, you know, there could only be max

15 minutes of traffic to get to Brian's house.

So it's not like-

That's true.

It's not a big mission.

It's a little snackable mission.

You'd think it's not a big mission

because it's like, oh, okay.

The car's only a couple blocks from Brian's house.

Easy.

I show up, I hook up the tow rope, bring him to his house.

Done.

We have a nice little conversation.

Maybe a coffee.

No, absolutely not.

I show up.

And I pull up with the rope, ready to go.

D-rings ready, everything.

And then we start looking at it.

And it's like, oh, there's no tow point.

Yeah.

Put the euro bumpers on.

They don't have tow hook.

Cause it like tow hooks aren't cool to folks.

So I can guys, like that's something you gotta shave it.

You gotta shave your tow hook.

I don't know if you ever get this feeling,

but when you hang out with Brian,

there's this like feeling that you get sometimes

where you know you're at the beginning of an adventure

that you didn't necessarily sign up for.

So because we couldn't find a tow point

because it had a euro bumper,

he's like, well, we might as well just try and fix it.

You know what you just got yourself into at that moment?

At that very, you know what that is?

A yo text.

You got yourself, you got yourself into.

You got yo'd.

For you guys out there who that don't know,

the start of what could be a multiple hour conversation

starts with two things from Brian.

And it's yo, nothing else, no punctuation.

Zero.

Or do you have a minute?

Do you have a minute?

Do you have a minute can be like a random idea

or a life career changing opportunity?

A minute in what universe?

Like in some other far distant galaxy,

the time slows down so much

that that is a Brian Scott-O minute.

I don't know if he does this to you though,

because sometimes he'll be like, yo,

do you have an honest 10?

Yeah, yeah.

An honest 10.

Which is the most honest thing ever.

Ends up being a 45.

Cause Brian, we, every time we talk,

we have like a, we have like a cool down process.

That's like a, like a nineties turbo timer.

You know, like, like we're getting off the phone

and you have so many of the like, all right.

Well, it's sitting there idling.

You're like, I don't know what's cooling down.

Everything is ambient.

The turbo chill, but you're still like,

you didn't even do a pole.

You didn't even do a pole, but you got a cool down.

So anyway, you get there.

There's no tow hook provision.

The car's just straight up not working.

There's no tow hook provision.

We go to auto zone.

We try and get a bunch of stuff.

Nothing's working.

So I'm like, why don't we just push it?

Like it's light.

It's light enough.

So the next thing I know, Scott-O and I are, you know,

in our, you know, I'm in my late thirties.

You're in your, two dudes just pushing a car.

Having a conversation, just chatting,

just taking the car for a walk.

Just taking the car.

It was kind of sick.

It was a really nice day.

It was nice and the, it has like very little resistance.

So we were just walking with our hands on it.

We were pretty surprised.

And like you get juiced because you're like,

oh, the car pushes super easy.

Oh, we got this.

But like taking your car for a walk is a pretty nice thing

because I think like for guys,

like there's a, there's like a big hurdle in hanging out.

You know, like guys need something to do.

Cause like if we were just to sit around,

like this right here, right?

We're literally doing nothing, but we're making content.

But it's a mission.

And if we were just hanging out talking,

like there's super high risk of like,

just like making out or something.

True, true, true.

You never know.

Like if we're just doing nothing.

But if you have a car between you,

it makes a little bit harder for sure.

You're like, oh, now we're just like,

we're pushing a car.

It's the barrier.

That's why there's a table on this podcast.

We're taking a car for a walk.

That's why I put the table here.

It's good.

So you took your car for a walk.

So we took your car for a walk.

It was sweet.

It was a stroll.

Now, this is the question everyone out there wants to know.

Did you fix it?

No.

No, actually, actually.

Of course not.

No, but I've been on like a pretty good run

of like my car is running.

Yeah, tell us about it.

No, come on.

I have been recently.

And you've also been on the most.

You just told me the church fan.

Well, in one week, three cars stopped working.

So the alternator went on the Mexican B150.

I think the coil pack or the coil went on the rabbit.

And I have no idea what's wrong with the van.

I went to go start it one morning.

Just because you built a race van.

That's true.

You built a racing Econoline.

Big shout out to JNK Engines for giving me

a ridiculous, ridiculous engine for a VW turbo.

Now, I want to know if you've solved the other simplest

mechanical problem, but probably most difficult

to figure out problem with one of your cars.

And it's a very scato problem.

Do we know what it is?

Bro, there's 25 cars.

I can't even begin to guess.

Have you found a way to get a key for your RS2?

Oh, no, no, I found the key.

Oh, OK, where was it?

It was in her car.

I didn't even know about this.

Yeah, I lost the RS2 key.

He just lost his only key.

So you have one RS2 key?

Yeah, yeah.

And apparently, yeah.

So, man, I didn't.

This is not.

It always turns into the first line of the notes, guys.

All right, let's skip.

Let's go with those.

OK, no, no, no.

So to back it up, I want to finish out the rabbit.

Then I'll get to that.

The funniest part about it is I get home

and I get texted by a friend in the neighborhood.

And some woman was filming the two of us pushing the rabbit.

I saw it.

And the line was something like the last of a dying breed.

Yeah.

And I don't know if she was talking about the rabbit or us.

Like just two guys walking in.

I took it.

And maybe this is just me being hopeful.

But I took it as she was proud of just two friends

pushing the car down.

Yeah, you know, because now people

are so minimal nonsense that they're just like,

have to buy a new car.

Yeah, they can't deal with the pain.

I'll just get a subscription to a three series or something.

Yeah, I just want to test this suggestion.

Or they would do something pragmatic, like call AAA.

Yeah.

Oh, God, us.

We put the car home.

The nostalgia of pushing the car home.

It was fun.

The only reason you use a AAA toe

is when your car breaks at the track.

Yeah.

But you know what Brian is probably like a little bummed

about?

How long has it been since you flat towed a car?

Oh, God, don't.

So we tried to flat tow the car,

but obviously didn't have a tow hook.

So then I tried to do like the race car thing

where you like hold the strap out the window.

Yeah, we did.

We did.

The shoulder okay?

But I realized that like I've done it before.

I've done it before.

And when you do it in a race car,

you hold it against the A pillar.

You push the strap against the A pillar roll cage.

Yeah.

And that will pull it forward.

But I was just trying to do it with my arm

and like he's he's like, oh, no.

I just imagine like a cartoon skit of Ron driving away

with your limba.

I just idle away in here.

Oh, stop, stop.

No, the thing is in my head because at one point

I'm like, there's no way I can do this.

I have to let go.

But then I just envisioned the tow hook like grabbing

like the hood on the swallow and just like ripping

like just peeling back the whole front of the car

like a sardine can just doing like stop, stop.

And he's like, you got like, no, stop, stop.

She's shocked that that didn't work, you know,

that a human arm could pull whatever correct for the seventies

of like kids doing nonsense because like in no world

is that going to work, but your brain roll.

No, we roll.

We got it like five feet.

Oh, great.

But then he like he started to push like pushing a little bit.

And I was like, this is going to tear my arm right out

of my my rotator.

I'm too embarrassed to tell the doctor the shoulder doctor.

I already have two bad knees.

It's like I need my shoulders anyway, boys.

So all right, look, today's show is the pilot, a very vehicular.

And I'm calling this the pilot, the pilots.

So we're going to do three different shows in one show.

Because of course you guys love you're such a maximalist.

OK, so first up, we're just going to do like as a standard kind

of modern day podcast format, which is banter and bullshit.

We've been doing that already.

We'll keep that going.

But there are a few topics I want to touch on.

Second, we're going to try out a listing idea I have called firing order.

And I think I told you guys already what the concept is.

We're going to talk about our favorite Hoonigan builds we were involved with.

We could do best, worst, whatever.

We're going to try to make that into a list of three.

And then lastly, we're going to play a surprise game of a good cop, bad cop.

So we're going to open up our marketplace and we're going to share

the last three cars we all saved.

With each other.

Oh, boy.

I don't save anything on marketing.

Yeah, I don't really save much, but I don't even know where you look at your

save to save more people.

I save stuff, but I never look at it after the fact that's even better.

Well, then you guys could just judge mine.

Or I mean, honestly, I mean, I text myself.

That's more fun because, you know, me and Ron's will be like on the realm of cool.

Like yours is going to be like super wacky.

Yeah, or yours will just be like, you'll be like, here's the eighth

raptor I'm going to own.

Yeah, it's something lame.

That's like, you know, practical.

All right.

Good point.

So what's what's been new, boys?

Half horse noise.

Half winning.

I watch curb a lot, especially when I fly.

I just I just binge watch seasons of curb your enthusiasm.

And apparently it's called a winnie, a winnie, a winnie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just say horse noise.

Both were both what's new.

I don't know, you know, we're trying to figure out this, this post tuning in life.

Yeah, post tuning in life's weird.

Yeah, it is weird.

It's a, it's a strange place.

And like when you have a change that big, you try a bunch of weird stuff

and different stuff, and it's just like something stick, something's don't.

And it's cool.

Like last year was, was crazy.

Like it was a wild year.

The most driving I've ever gotten done in a year.

Vinny and I competed in SRO, a professional racing series is the most

unprofessional dudes humanly possible.

You said you set an EV record at Pike's Peak.

I did. Yeah, I did.

I did Pike's Peak.

Thank you, boys.

Thank you. Thank you.

Which still stands to this day.

Because never mind that it was half mountain and the fact that no one else

competed in that class.

Update your Wikipedia to your running record holder.

Yeah, a hundred percent.

I still keep it in my profile because Vin made so much fun of me.

He was like, bro, you don't talk about it at all.

And so I put it.

No, you made like one reel.

No, I made five reels, which is five more than I've made in the past three years.

So. So yeah, we did a bunch of that.

We tried a thing called Driver's Era to get.

Well, we did a thing called Driver's Era together, kicked that off.

And then probably like two months ago, Vin went full on on Driver's Era.

Full, full like your YouTube jam type thing.

And I'm moving on to like a little bit of the roots going back to my roots

of rally car stuff.

So got some got some things going there.

So new brand in the works, new brand in the works.

Can you talk about that?

Or is it still top secret?

Yeah, I mean, it's it's in the idea phase, which you know, very.

I love the idea.

The idea phase is where almost everything I'm doing is right now.

Yeah, yeah. Well, not just idea.

I mean, I have some samples coming and I have a trip coming up.

That's like, I don't know.

I can't call it a kickoff tour, but anyway, stepping back.

Yeah, I did like 15 years of my career was rally car stuff, right?

Like following Ken around WRC, American Rally Association.

I did stuff at zero to 60, you know, so I really missed that.

And I love that scene.

And I just genuinely love rally cars.

And I think.

And you loved rally cars when I met you.

Yeah, when you applied for the internship at zero to 60.

I think one of the reasons you flowed to the top is because everyone else was

like either like a Formula One or a sports car fan and you like rally,

which is something I liked.

And I was like, oh, all right.

This absolutely gets it.

Yeah, I mean, you know, my parents are from Poland and, you know,

when we moved to the U.S., everybody was into like football, baseball, whatever.

It's like, no, I grew up with boxing and rally, and I didn't want to get punched in the face.

So it was rally cars.

Soon as they get punched in the gut.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And the wallet, yeah.

So, yeah, the working name for the company is Anti-Lag,

because that's easily the coolest thing about rally cars.

And for sure, I just feel like name to thank you.

Thank you.

It's kind of amazing that it isn't already a name.

There's a forum in Australia, but yeah, as a company name,

like the fact that I was able to get a URL and all that, like crazy.

And like, I think Anti-Lag recently has become more commonplace for people

because with modern ECUs, you have like.

For sure.

Fake Anti-Lag or Anti-Lag Adjustment.

And that's one of those things, too.

Like there's not a ton of knowledge out there on like the differences.

Like a lot of people think Anti-Lag is, you know, you press that button on the steering wheel

when you're doing a highway pole, whatever.

That's kind of, but not really, that's not rally style.

And I was just going to say, does that annoy you that like.

Why don't you explain to the listeners what real Anti-Lag is and how it works?

Yeah, real rally style Anti-Lag is combustion that happens beyond the piston

in your exhaust manifold to spin the turbo when you let off throttle.

Like all the different Anti-Lags of like no lift shift or like a two step, whatever.

Everybody calls those Anti-Lag.

I guess it kind of works because it's, you know, spooling up the turbo.

But true rally style Anti-Lag, you have a post chamber air intake.

You have little ducts welded into your exhaust manifold that then fuel goes past the cylinder.

It explodes in your manifold, spins the turbo up.

And you keep your turbo on boost all the time.

I can't imagine developing or engineering something that is more violent and vicious

to the internals of an engine than that.

Yeah, you know, what's cool about that is I don't know if the Lancia has it,

but the the Evo five and six have proper fresh air injection

Anti-Lag in the exhaust manifold, which is so sick from the factory.

And you literally just like one toggle on the ECU and you put it back on.

Yeah. Yeah, it's dope.

And all like Evo nines, the JDM and the true Euro ones, they all have that too.

They have the servo and everything.

I just didn't give it to the US because they knew everybody was going to be two step in all over the place.

But anyway, although I do remember when the Evo eight came out

and it had factory two step was like the coolest thing in the world.

It really was. And it was so good.

It was like it wasn't a slow one.

Yeah, it was like really aggressive.

We used just two step Tony Chan's car all through the story.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Option two sticker on the back bumper, hard bushing, everything.

Yeah, so say.

So he bought, you know, he bought that car off of bootleg option two stickers.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we might have to bleep his name.

But yeah, there's enough Tony Chan's in the way.

I think that's beyond statute of limitations of bootleg stickering.

So I don't know. I felt like, you know,

and maybe this is a conversation point for a different pod.

But when we all got into cars, it wasn't like the cool thing to be into.

Everybody wasn't into it.

It was a pretty niche thing and it was hard to be into cars.

Now, everybody like the most regular people I talked to are into F1

and they know the drivers and they know the cars and the teams.

I'm like, man, this is sick.

And not a lot of people know about rally and what's going on there.

And the stories behind it are absolutely bananas.

Like you'll go to Goodwood and you'll see a historic Delta intergrale

and you see a fire like a fire bottle in the footwell.

But it's the original NOS bottle fire bottle that they used to do

because back then after tech inspection,

they would replace the fire bottle with nitrous so they get a little extra boost.

And you already had fuel in your roll cage.

So where exactly?

So if your car set on fire, you're kind of out of luck,

but you had nitrous and you won.

So there's so many different stories.

It's crazy. It's such an adventurous motorsport.

And I want to share some of my experience with it

and just bring that world to the modern car world

through storytelling, through trips, through talking to people.

So that's cool.

You got to do what you're passionate about.

You know, that's like rally is really where your your heart is.

So it's like, that's great.

100 percent.

It's always I mean, you have always been sort of the rally guy in the group.

Even though I like rally, you were more rally, you were like further deep.

Fueled by rally.

And it's funny.

Yeah. Oh, God.

It's funny, because Hurt was like talking to me at one point.

He's like, why doesn't Ron just do more rally stuff?

Like that feels like probably money.

A section.

Hey, you know, you know, you're just 100 percent like you need.

Like drifting is a consumable, stupid hobby rally.

Probably worse.

The whole car is a consumer.

Drifting is like tires, brakes, like a bumper here to clarify.

He meant on the content side, like from a brand side.

Why don't you do more about rally?

Because that's like such a thing.

So now you are doing and not to go super deep into that.

But I was really, really, really excited because, you know, I spent so much time

on the road with Ken surrounded by rally everything.

And when I came to Hoonigan in 2018, I still have a deep love of drifting.

Like I love that culture.

I remember pre-Youtube days watching tons of like, you know, 240p drift videos

and compilations and all that.

And to be able to step into Southern California, like the U.S.

Mecca of all that was so sick.

I got the JZX 90.

Like I went to Apple Valley.

I did all these things.

I loved exploring that part.

So you guys saw me in the phase of like getting out of rally for a bit to, you

know, dabble in that world.

And now I want to get back in.

Yeah.

I mean, you were definitely taking rally, like a thousand miles an hour to the face

with Ken.

Dude, it was main line.

I remember OD.

I only did it for two years, maybe three years, two years.

And it was, I'm still exhausted from it.

You still have sleep at all.

I was like, it was like 13 years ago.

And that's when the cough developed, like I got the rally cough, like that cough

I get when I laugh and I just can't stop coughing.

Like I got that on rally.

I don't know.

It never went away.

Like I still have bad sleep patterns and I still eat rally cakes.

That's that's the thing on a rally when you're in between stages and you're going

like it's a really long extraneous day.

So when you go to a gas station, it's like an oasis.

Like you, you waste no time.

You get every snack possible.

You get the little aioli dips and a bag of chip.

You're, you're like crafting your own meals from gas station.

We could have ran an entire snack show on what we were getting at gas stations.

Because we first of all would try anything.

Yeah.

And like there was anything was up for grabs, but you also start to learn, like

we're probably not going to get back to service and time to eat because they'll

have already fed the crew.

So like, is this enough caloric intake to get us to four in the morning, which is

when we're going to get to sleep for half an hour because then we need to get

up and drive to stage.

It was trailer park, no reservations.

I'll say it's a little bit of a miss, Brian.

You wanted to have like ballast boy reunion here on the show and you don't

have a single snack after the intermission, after the intermission.

I want to rewind on two things.

The first thing I want to rewind on is before you said, like when we got

into cars, cars weren't cool.

Yeah.

Right.

And I feel like my entire life has been getting into things when they're not cool.

Like when I rode BMX, I rode BMX in the early nineties.

It wasn't cool anymore.

Yeah, but you're the type of dude that wants to, like you don't like it once

it's cool.

That's where I'm getting at.

Like I was bummed when your band gets on the radio.

That 100% like I like punk rock and then all of a sudden like punk rock started.

Like we got pop punk.

How depressed are you going to be when icon starts doing Mexican B 150 builds?

No.

It's just like, it's one of those things.

Cause like yesterday I went to go see the F1 movie and it's a really good movie.

I really enjoyed it.

But it's like, you do realize that like this movie kind of happened 10 years ago.

It happens now because like we are at in my, at least in my lifetime, I think

it might have been bigger in the sixties, but this is like, we are in peak automotive.

Like, like I don't think it's really never been cooler than it is now.

I think it's really part of it bother you though.

It does.

So first off, I'll say my absolutely lukewarm take on this is that F1 fans are

not car people, F1 fans are sports.

Like a car, which is fine.

But I'm really excited to see the growth of automotive in every direction.

You know, like I think like women in cars is cool.

There's a lot more than there ever was.

I think like we did a deck early days, Hoonigan that featured an article

that said like kids don't care about cars anymore.

That has like completely gone and now it's back to like kids love cars.

Yeah.

I think a lot of the culture that people are getting into is really shitty.

I think a lot of the stuff that people are promoting is bad.

Well, one takeover, but I'm not even going to harp on it.

But I think a lot of the, the like crappy influencers and content creators

that promote stuff kind of set people in the wrong direction.

And you could like spot these people from a mile away.

Yes.

You know, it's like all the like flame throwing, you know,

burble tune bullshit cars with ugly wraps and stupid wheels that like promote

just like doing a thousand miles an hour in the canyons or like being like

super reckless on the street for clicks and like that stuff looks cool.

But to like impressionable dumb kids, it's like what they think cars are

and they get into it for that.

And I think it's all wrong.

Get it steered in the wrong.

We got into it for a whole different thing.

Now people are into it for like a visual spectacular like nonsense

that I don't think fits a core like automotive demographic.

But I think it's like the stuff that I think will eventually ruin cars

for the road, because that's the shit that cops don't like.

Absolutely. You know, absolutely.

The thing for me and I obviously a bit older than you guys,

which you always point out is that for me, I've been there before

where like the tidal wave comes in and then it pulls back out.

Yeah. And when it pulls back out, it sucks.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Because I think we all start to build this industry or everything we do

around like how what the peak feeling is.

And then all of a sudden it goes away and like all of like all the things

that came with it go away, the partnerships, like the audience

and also the cool factor, because it literally goes from being super cool

to like, oh, you're still in the cars.

Like I remember that post fast and furious era where everybody

was just making fun of anyone with a tuner car, but five years previous.

Everyone thought it was really cool.

Yeah. I mean, you could see it already in that like in hip hop.

I mean, everyone was using like 90s JDM cars for a while.

And now it's sort of like pulled back and it's not happening as much

because like I think it was like really unique and cool for a couple of years.

And now it's like sort of not.

But to hit closer to home, you know what?

I watched happen and the wave is I think already pulled back

and people are sort of like realizing real life is having to any project cars.

Yes, I think during the pandemic was peak YouTube project cars.

Everyone went from having one car to having like six hunts, right?

And I'm not just talking shit about you.

It's out there. No, everyone.

And I think I was at 100% and I feel the same way.

And yesterday I was talking to her hurts at the same thing.

He's like, I think I'm at a realization that I want to have like one or two

really focused. So you went to the thing where like you look at YouTubers

and people don't understand the YouTube model.

Like they see Adam LZ having 50 cars and they're like, that's the goal.

And it's like, no, Adam may want 50 cars because who doesn't.

But you also need it for content with the volume that they put out.

That's the business model. That's the business model.

So then you start thinking like, oh, I should have a drift car,

a grip car, a street car, a drag car.

And you start doing all this quantum wagon.

Yeah. And then you realize and this is like everyone across the board

is like, it is impossible to like do it all without a staff.

You know, yeah, it's impossible.

You can't do it.

And I think just the logistics of parts ordering and maintenance.

And then this thing breaks and then this one's in paint.

And then this one's got to get towed and you're like losing your mind

while managing a fleet and a business and trying to make good content

and trying to have a life in growing up.

We had one car.

I mean, I daily my cool cars until I was like in my 20s

and I bought like a winter beater, right?

And that was everyone's kind of thing.

And if you had a friend that had two cool cars,

what does he do for a living?

Drugs, right?

But then now it's like insane that it's like,

you'll be like, how many cars do you have?

Oh, you have six. Oh, yeah, I have seven.

Oh, you have 20 file.

OK. And like everyone I cut mine down to five.

I'm down to I cut down a lot because I'm like,

I realize that it's like impossible.

And I think universally, like the people out there

have went from owning a ton of cars, like people just being like,

I can't possibly have like 100 percent cars, you know?

So I think that way is gone.

Is this an intervention?

No, you know, it's like a podcast turn to like, you know, you know, it to you.

No, I know you feel it.

I definitely feel I just have a hard time separating from it.

I would say that there are some cars I bought

because it made sense for the brand. Totally. Right.

But then there's other cars I bought because like I have ADHD

and I just get excited about the new part.

Like I sent this video to Ron the other day and it was so good.

And it's just this girl being like,

if you want like half of something done,

like I'm really good at getting half of something.

I will crush it. I will crush the first half.

Yeah. But I probably won't do the second half.

And like that's like me for all my projects.

You have a you have the luxury and you've had the luxury from Hoonigan of space.

Yeah, because like for me, even like we share a shop

and I'm like, our shop is mad small.

So like I can't get another car because it has nowhere to live.

Guys, you know, so it's like it's so easy to just be like,

well, if I buy another thing that I already can't handle,

I now have to figure out another place to put it and store it.

And it's not just the car.

It's the it's the OEM wheels that come off of it.

Is the body parts, is the spares, is the everything. Yeah.

You say luxury.

You realize I bought an operational farm just to stash my cars at.

And now I have a farm problem.

Like that's not a video.

That's a series of its own.

Yeah, that is literally a series shed by shed.

All right. As you heard earlier in this episode,

I have a toxic relationship with working vehicles.

Yeah. And if it wasn't for FCP Euro,

even less of my European cars would be on the road.

These guys have been great about getting me parts quickly.

They have a warehouse in Connecticut.

They have a warehouse in Arizona,

which means I'm usually only a day or so away

from getting my car out of a bad situation.

They also have a great catalog of parts,

whether that's for new cars or the older cars that I love.

I've had a relationship with them for almost 10 years now.

They've helped support me on so many of my projects,

helped me find hard, rare to find parts for vehicles

like my European import RS2.

And on top of all of that,

they have a really, really good DIY video library on YouTube.

OK, here is a little thing I'm going to let you all in on.

Most YouTubers watch other YouTubers

to figure out how to put parts together on their YouTube channel.

That's right.

They're going to give you things like the torque specs

and which gas gets to use and also all the part numbers

that are required to do like, you know,

a water pump change on an E36 or something.

So go check them out.

And on top of all of that, they're a really great part of the community.

They do some awesome cars and coffees.

They're motoring meats just all around.

I think I'm wearing their hat right now.

Great company. Great to work with.

They're one of us.

FCP Euro, thanks for helping me make this show possible.

How's drivers are going?

Good. So you guys are separated on this now.

So you do kind of both doing your own thing.

You're doing your thing. You're doing your thing.

Yeah, we still share a shop, but on drivers era, it's all of it.

Yeah. So I mean, I think like equally on like the passionate side.

So one, for me, it's like all I do is YouTube.

And now the brand and we were going to do it together.

And it just kind of was like never quite aligned when it's like someone's

like side project and someone's main thing.

And, you know, I got Jolly, who, you know, I love in a door

and needs to make some more money and like we want to do the thing together.

And like, we kind of got to make it all work.

And honestly, like drivers error for me is like, I started that brand page

as like a car dealership, just like selling the cars that I love.

And I'm a little bit more like, I don't know, boring, practical, like whatever.

But I just like cars from that era that are like pretty frigging fun

right out the box and our fun street cars.

Like I had just gotten back into doing track stuff.

But like I really just love a good frigging street car.

Yeah. So like like a no crazy engine swap.

Yeah, I'm a ton of motor mods.

I'm anti engine swap now. Absolutely. Anti engine swap.

I hate engine swaps. I think they're trash.

They mostly suck on the street.

Sorry, Brian, we could argue about that on a whole different podcast.

I get it.

But yeah, so like for me, it's just, you know, I want to make a brand

that celebrates the era of cars that I absolutely love late 90s to like 2010s,

things that have like everything you need, nothing you don't.

And they're just like fun to drive.

So and I'm going to I already I just got my dealer license.

So I'm finally going to start buying and selling cars because like to me, it's like

you buy cars and keep them forever. Yeah.

Me, I have I can't keep track, bro.

Let me let me tell you about I just figured this out.

But me, I I'm OK with experiencing something and moving on.

So I just realized this because we're making a series of my dad's

Chevelle, which is his dream car and growing up,

my dad never had a cool car like of his own.

He never had a project car, right?

But what he did, he's worked at the same Chevrolet dealership since I was a kid.

And he is like he's a parts parts department manager and he gets demo cars.

So growing up, he'd always have a brand new car for six months

and then something else.

And they weren't like sick, but some of them are sick.

He had like Lumina Z 34s, Beretta GTZs.

Yo, Beretta GTZ to teal with teal wheels.

Yeah, pretty hard to this day goes incredibly hard.

And just like nonsense, you know, like cars like that.

So I think maybe that sort of changed like my idea of like, oh,

like new stuff all the time is like fun.

Yeah. So for me, a dealer would be sick because like I've always wanted to own,

you know, X, right, a 997 turbo.

And it's like, well, now maybe I could go out.

I could find the coolest, gives you a reason to buy it, make some videos about it

and then sell it and be like, OK, I got my kicks, you know,

because for you, like ownership is like a box check thing.

Like I got that. Yeah.

I'm on to the next.

It's not a box check as much as it's like check next.

Well, like, all right.

So for example, I idolized my entire childhood, Mark for Supra,

watching Streetfire.net videos of those things just like doing highway runs.

Guess what? No one just lets you drive a Mark for Supra.

So like I wanted to buy one and I'm like, I need to own this.

And then I owned it and I didn't like it wasn't everything I ever wanted it to be.

Maybe the example I bought wasn't.

But I was like, OK, that I like finally got to try it, you know.

So for me, it's like there's all these cars that I've always just like wanted to drive.

And now with YouTube, I could probably like finagle my way into like driving one of them.

But it's a different experience when you're driving someone else's car

versus like you actually own it, you turn a wrench on it or two.

Dude, I people ask me all the time because I've driven like some incredible cars.

Yeah, I mean, I drove a Carrera GT, the Gunther Works Turbo, like tons of crazy shit.

But like when you film to make a video, like my main priority is making a good video.

So it's like you do your research on the car, you find things you want to talk about.

And then you're like, OK, I'm getting the car and you have to drive it.

You have to film, you have to talk, you have to shoot rollers that you're paying attention to.

And it's like sensory overload and then it's over.

You know, I think like some of the journalists, like if you're working

a traditional magazine, like I know Matt Farah, because he does road and track content,

like they'll just like Gunther Works will just give him a car for like a week.

Yeah, that's what you need.

So you truly they're like, OK, you got a couple hours to do this whole thing.

And you're like, oh, shit, I got a lot of work to do.

So you don't really get to enjoy it.

Like, do I enjoy a career or GT?

Yeah, driving was fun, I think, but like I didn't get to experience it.

Of course. For me, it's like it's fun to like live with something

for a little bit and see how it is and then kind of move on.

I remember when I was a journalist, we would like get a car for just a day

and you'd spend the whole day shooting it and you just like you're sitting there staring at this thing.

I remember TechArt gave me a 997 turbo, which like at the time was like 700 horsepower,

which like in 2000, whatever, six, 2007, like maybe 2008,

like that was a lot of power in 911.

Like now you can get that fact they're still fast. Yeah.

And I got in and went took one out.

I spent the entire day just looking at it parked because we're like shooting this

or doing that, like setting up lights and and then like at the end of the day,

I'm like, well, this sucks.

I barely got to drive the car.

You did like three pulls.

Yeah, I was supposed to bring it back at five o'clock and luckily missed

the drop off window.

And they were like, all right, because it was, I think

it was Klaus back in the day, used to run TechArt stuff.

And they were like, all right, just bring it in tomorrow.

And I drove the car all night.

Right. And it was like, I was there, like by myself, got to go just like.

You actually get to experience the car for what it is to enjoy it.

Yeah. Yeah, it's really hard to like do the whole thing.

So yeah, like that, you know, the dealership, I think is going to be super fun for me.

I mean, my goal is to like kind of be a blend between like RMC Miami,

where I can go and buy cars in other countries that are like modded and crazy,

but also like do some grail cars and like great specs and like collector style condition.

Do you see yourself getting to drive every car first?

So like, is everything that you're like, will you buy and just sell immediately?

Or do you think that like part of the experience for you is to like sort of own it?

No, I think like own it, make some content with it,

you know, get to like experience the cars and like always like, you know,

fix them up, make sure it's better, maybe add like key mods to it and stuff.

Because like what I actually don't have any interest in selling is like

this new like collector car market sucks.

I think it's so lame.

Nothing worse to me than like tracking down cars with like three digit mileage.

Yeah, yeah, you're flat betting these things to go shoot them for photos

because like you can't even drive them.

And I'm like, I would way more rather promote like the things that I love,

which is like if I could find a Carrera GT with 50,000 miles,

like that's the ultimate VIN Carrera GT.

Dude, I say my next dream car is a scud,

but I want a 70,000 miles previously crashed like repainted one because like

I just need for normal car enthusiasts out there.

A 50,000 mile Carrera GT is the equivalent of like a normal car with 200,000.

Yeah, 250. Yeah.

But like that's the stuff that I find exciting.

And I think it's so funny because I'm still on forums and stuff

and I read into all this crap and like I said it the other day, you know,

I still fucking love just hitting noobs on the forums and stuff.

But like there has never you still you still out there flame suit.

Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah.

You want to know why?

Because there's not a single cool story about your 300 mile Carrera GT.

You know, you know what's a cool story when you pull up to a car meet

and like, yo, there's a dude, football player.

He came up to good vibes.

He was driving an F 40 and this thing was hammered.

Oh, yeah. In a good way.

Well, not like destroyed, but rock chips.

Yeah, like driven wheels were breakdust coated.

It had scratches, swirl marks.

The Lexan windows were like scratched up. Yeah.

And he was like, yeah, she was a car driver's driver.

And I'm like, that is so much more impressive than going to Pebble Beach

and seeing one with 150 miles on it.

And the guy's like, yeah, you know, I like rub a diaper on it and like it's sick.

Like it's so lame.

You know, it's cleaner than factory.

Yeah, whatever.

I got it paint corrected so that you could see the carbon.

Whereas like, I know all of us back in the day.

I know you'll remember is like in New York,

there was a dude that pulled up to like the go kart track and he had a white.

And I think it was a nine, nine, seven GT three at the time.

Rubber marks all across the hood and the bumper and everything from just track days.

Yeah. And we're like, that's the dude.

It's so much cooler.

So like I would rather buy high mileage, like

storied cars and sell them to people who want to drive them.

Like I don't think I really want to get into that like collector car,

like never driven market thing because there's enough people doing it.

And I just think it's boring.

Like I don't see any.

I think that's fantastic.

Like that. And again, like that whole like collect miles, not dust thing.

Yeah, that's the whole thing.

Like experience the car for what it was built to do.

Dude, my 360 changed me straight up.

Where do I live in the middle there?

Because you do both.

Because I have a headliner sitting on top of my Ferrari right now.

So it's clearly not the diaper crowd, but I also haven't driven it in a month.

So I'm like in a weird in between because I don't cherish cars at all.

Like I when I drive them, I don't care if they get hit.

I don't like I don't care if I get rock chips.

I don't care about any of that.

I mean, you just like the things. You're a thing guy.

I'm a thing guy. You're a thing guy.

I'm also a dad. You're a limits.

It's my time guy. You're a builder.

You love the build paper building, but I don't ever have the time to do any of it.

Well, I mean, I mean, your halfway build of the 86 is sick.

Yeah, I think you you like your thing is like you're you're like a collector.

But what gets your rocks off is like telling people that you have something

that like they don't have. So like you want to be like sure.

Like you want to be like, I have I'm doing an 86.

It's got a VR six like it's crazy, right?

And then people are like, wait, what?

And you're like, oh, yeah, let's stretch out.

Yeah, it's like if you ask Mike Burroughs,

he always jokes that he's like, if someone said you could either build cars

or drive cars, you could only do one. He'd like build, doesn't care about.

Nothing doesn't care, but he rather.

I'm a polar polar officer.

Yeah, where it's like Ron and I would be like we I would rather.

And this sounds like crappy, but I would rather show up to a built car

and go out to the track. Absolutely.

Yeah, I didn't I enjoy both.

But I like working on cars. I do.

I like building cars, but I really build them because I want to drive.

You like making them better for the driving experience.

Like that process is fun, but at the end of the day,

like driving is the thing.

We both suffer working on cars to drive.

Yeah, I enjoy them both.

But like I'm at a point in my life where I don't own a daily driver.

Right. Like I just drive.

That's why, like when we talked about all my cars being broken,

it's because I just drive them all and then they break.

And then I move to another one, which is one of the upsides of having 25 cars.

She could be like, I'll get back to that.

Yeah, yeah.

But that was a decision I made because I was driving

one of the Hyundai's like the Santa Fe or something.

What the Santa Cruz, because they gave it to me for like six months.

As Vin put it, the Santa, whatever.

Yeah, what could not remember the name.

But like it's and like it's a great, useful, functional vehicle.

It works really well.

And it like sucked some of my soul out

because like I found myself just going and getting in it every day

because it was easier.

Yeah, I knew I was going to get to my destination.

I knew that like I wasn't going to run out of all my triple A toes in a single week.

And so I was doing it because it was easy.

And then when I removed that from my life, I was like, OK,

now I drive my RS2 or my rabbit everywhere, sometimes the van.

But like I drive the RS2 a ton.

Dude, I have put more miles on my 360 than I have my Raptor.

Yo, I've had I've had my Raptor for a year and a half now,

which is like huge for me guys.

Yeah, yeah, but I put 4,000 miles on it.

I never drive it ever.

I just drive my fun cars all the time.

And I was joking about it the other day because Jolly got a pickup truck.

He got like a 23 Tundra and literally drives his JZX or Z almost every day.

It's amazing. And it's like because similarly, it's like out here.

I don't know. You could do it.

And it's like if you don't have a really crappy commute

where you sit in traffic every day, like you could drive your fun car every day.

And I drive my fun car no matter what, unless it's like I have to go to Irwindale,

you know, and you really need like the best AC.

Yeah, you just need the best AC and automatic.

Sometimes you need that. Yeah.

I would yesterday I was with Ilya from Final Bout.

And it's like he either has his FDR7 or his RX8.

It's the only two cars he owns and both of those cars are like jammers.

He is such a champion.

He has so many miles on that FD.

It's sick. Yeah. And it's built.

It's like a built single turbo.

I'm going to do an episode, Ilya.

He's a good pal of mine.

But I'm going to do an episode that's like I haven't figured out a title for yet,

but it's kind of like the one car that could do it all thing.

Because he literally he dailies it.

He grip drives it.

He like he'll race time attack with it.

He goes drifting.

He does toge drifting like champion.

The thing is like his and his whole theory is he's like, I want one car.

That's perfect. Yeah.

And he has a friend who's like a genius Nikita.

And Nikita is like a blend of all of us.

He's got like 15 cars that are all built and swapped.

And he's got everything.

He's got like a SR E30, but also a 992 GT3.

Yeah. And he's also a bit of a mad scientist.

Yeah, he is.

And he's got a Mark V Supra manual that he did all stuff to.

And like he's got all the stuff and and Ilya and him like argue all the time

because like Nikita's cars will break.

And he's like, you just have too much crap.

He's like, you just need to like whittle it down.

So I think it's a really fun take to be like, do one car and make it like perfect.

Yeah, you know, except because his car doesn't have AC, which is like crazy.

I think I'm getting more where I'm starting to have like real internal

conversations with myself of like, what if like this was just perfect?

Right. Like what if the RS2 was just perfect?

Like because you said this the other day, you're like, we always make fun of

you're like, we always make fun of Scotto for his ridiculous car collection.

But if you actually just listed five of his cars.

Yeah, it's fire.

You're like 9, 9, 11 RWB, Ferrari 360, NGT kitted, RS2.

We would always we would always be like scottos.

Forget about the Nova.

Scotto is so annoying because he has cool cars, but then we'll just be like,

yeah, I can't wait to work on this green wagon out of the Simpsons.

I'm going to do a five and we're just like, oh, my God, I couldn't possibly literally

have a 360. Yeah, like what about the Nova?

Like, can you why like just push this thing, make it a coral reef on the farm?

Bro, it goes back and should turn into a coral reef.

What animals would graze in there?

Like it goes back to go for go for hot or something.

It goes back to what you said before, which is like, I like things other people don't like.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I also like things that people like, oh, it's like the mix, you know?

So or maybe maybe I need those other things.

So like, I still like people put respect on the quantum because they're like, I don't know.

We're a guy with a Ferrari and a 911.

Maybe he knows something I don't know.

Maybe a quantum wagon is actually a lot cooler than I think.

It's just one of those things.

I mean, it's cool adjacency when you've been into cars for as long as you have.

Like it's it's the weird stuff that really gets you going.

I don't know. This is totally.

Toilet can't get that quantum got dropped off at that.

Whatever the hell thing we did at SEMA that year.

And literally like everyone was just like, you know, what the fuck is wrong with Scotto?

Like we were all like concerned because that thing got dropped off.

And we were like, this is no.

That car almost kicked off an intervention.

Yeah, we were like, this is like red flags going off.

I have. I've spent more time in the past year daydreaming about that car

than any of my other projects.

I have a I have a Ku Klux or race car that is.

Oh, my God. The Ku Klux.

I always forget is close.

I forgot about till I went to Pikes Peak and everyone's like, oh, it's your Ku

Piano, like Brian, you said this close.

It's that close. It's this close.

It's that close because that's literally how much the clutch needs to be pushed

in by the by the slave.

That's not happening because it starts.

It runs this.

This measure is the the got a sec in Brian's

got a universe because that car actually needs like and I can't think.

I don't know how wide this lens is, but like it needs.

Go watch the episode that we did on it.

Brian literally walked away from that.

It was like, yeah, I'm never looking at this car again.

It needs everything.

And that's just to get it running.

I mean, trust me, I built the Evo over a really, really long time.

And that's with like still a decent amount of factory stuff in it.

Building it and getting it done is a third of the battle.

Dude, my development part is crazy.

Mike Burroughs just went to good life with his two forty four GTK

that the Ferrari case swap thing is still is having issues with it.

And he finished that car like I think three years ago.

Yeah, develop like and has done a bunch of our but like, you know,

he goes out and things break that he never planned for.

And he's like always, you know, OK, it's like a heat issue.

OK, then you do all this stuff.

You redo the whole cooling system.

Oh, it runs way cooler now.

Oh, wow. Now it's over boosting.

OK, well, why is it over? OK, then you fix that.

And well, oh, now it's making a ton of power.

Well, now the transfer case is a weak point.

It's yes, always something ends.

And then you make all this power and then the brakes.

Like I went through that with the Evo so much

where I really started disliking the car.

So you want to know what's really funny about that in particular is,

you know, for for everyone out there,

like when you build a car for YouTube or content,

you built the Evo for at Hoonigan.

Absolutely. You do a lot at once

because that's the way you have to do it.

So I bought this S15 and I'm like, I just want a drift car.

And originally, I wasn't even going to make content with it.

I was like, I'm just buying this for me.

I don't even care.

But then I was in Spain and some things fell apart

and I had to make some videos.

So I made S15 content, but I'm not going to do it.

By the way, he did.

He texted me and said my dream car is a is a secret drift car.

Yeah, a secret car that I don't have to tell an audience.

So I talked to Ilya like every day

and we always chat about this stuff.

And I'm like, you know, I'm going to do with this car.

I'm going to anti car content it

because what I'm going to do is like,

it needs subframe bushings, needs new dampers.

I'm going to do that, get an alignment and go drive it.

Then I'm going to do one mod.

I'm going to do knuckles and I'm going to drive it.

I'm going to see, do I like the steering Ackerman?

Do I want less?

Do I want more?

And then change it from there.

Whereas the YouTube model or the content model would be get it.

Take everything apart.

Do every single adjustable suspension arm, knuckles,

different suspension, 17 way adjustable.

I got a NASCAR V8 for my S 15.

Next video, NASCAR V8 disaster.

Then the problem is you go out like my E 36,

the Jim Conagrid build car that turned time attack.

Yeah, I took that car out.

It worked. The car drove.

I drove it on the street a bunch. It was fine.

I take it out to the track and I'm like, holy shit.

Yeah. I don't know where to start.

You're like, OK, well, it doesn't have great front grip.

Is it my tire setup?

Is it my alignment?

Is it the arrow? Is it the dampers?

Is it that the diff has too much D cell lock up?

Is it and you're just like, holy shit, this is incredible.

The amount of stuff that you change.

Whereas like the way normal people built cars was like one at a time.

One at a time. Yeah.

So we all built cars when we were kids.

Not only that, but real quick on the E 36 is like,

I'm sure this happened to you.

You go to the track.

You spent all this time building it.

Texas Speed V8, all the right parts.

You paint it. You do all this stuff.

You rip and lapse.

You're like, OK, I'm trying to figure it out.

A dude in a full bolt on M4 smokes you.

Oh, I have such a better story than that.

OK, so Chase and Brian from Chase Bay's come out.

We do a booster delete on the car

because it like overboosted the brakes and it would like going to lock up too quick.

So we do a booster delete, do a bunch of their parts.

They did a sick crank case set up on this car

so it wouldn't like fill up a catch can in 16.

Oh, cool. We go up to.

We work on the car whole day, go up to Button Willow, get to Button Willow,

fucking drop of valve right away.

But it's an L.S.

So like another broke, literally easy troubleshoot this thing all day.

Can't figure it out.

Horrible, what do I end of the day?

Charles from SoCal drivers club is like, hey, man, this sucks, dude.

You should take out the rental E 36 and I'm like.

So I get in it.

Yeah.

Stock S 52 CAE shifter, front brakes,

tile tire suspension, no other at a bucket seat.

I did like 15 laps in it.

So happy. Yeah.

And it was like.

And what were the times?

How close? I don't even care.

I don't even care.

And I was like, I just had so much fun driving a car that has like four mods.

And I spent years building this horseshit race car thing.

I've been to the track with it five times every single time something broke.

And this time I just blew my motor and spent eight fucking hours working on it

in a garage. God, that reminds me of the last time I was at Apple Valley.

There was a guy in a bone stock S 13 angle.

Well, the diff having the time of his life, I'm sure.

Oh, what happened to you?

Lap after lap.

And what happened to you at that time at AVS?

I'm not going to talk about that. Yeah, we're not going to another.

Like it's just like you you do this crazy thing and you're like all this dumb stuff.

It's a lot. So I think for normal people, it's really cool to like slowly build your car

and make sure you do it like in a way that you're able to figure it out.

And it'll be a lot more fun.

We no longer normal people. No, we're tainted.

I tell people I was literally with a bunch of dudes the other night

and I was like, I fucked up.

I built cars for the internet and I fucked up by taking it too far.

Yeah. Too quickly.

And then you don't really know how to sort it out

because you're trying to become like this like multiple

part engineer where you're like figuring out like shocks and suspension and diff all at once.

And you're like, that shit is also complicated.

Yeah. And the worst part is, is like, I know better

because I work on an actual race team and watched us chase.

Most of us did.

Watch us chase stuff that people put millions and millions of dollars

to figure out how to do it.

And they still couldn't figure out why something was doing things.

Well, you have a team of eight people and a budget of a lot of zeros

and things still break and you still lose days.

And my car is a full drop down menu build.

I'll take all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You make that for my car.

I'll just add all of that to the back.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it makes I think it's part of the journey, though.

Everybody is going to get there at some point.

You're going to go the furthest you can personally go on a build

because you have to. What else are you going to do?

Are you going to be like, no, I'm not going to try.

You try it and then you reach that peak and then you find your balance in between.

So I'm super grateful for it because, like, it was a really incredible

experience to be able, like, at Hoonigan to get all these sponsored parts.

Yeah, you'll be able to build crazy cars for sure.

And I'm a little bummed

because I wish I had taken that ability to get all these crazy parts

and build stuff that will keep forever.

But like I built Mass 15, Mass 14, I was like, I don't know.

Great build. I just didn't.

Yeah, but I screwed up.

But I did too much at once and I didn't really like a lot of the stuff I did.

You know, and I think I did that too many times, like my 36,

I built a full parts catalog car and I was like, and then at the end,

I'm like, I should have done it differently.

But the thing about YouTube is it's very, very difficult

to make the development time into good content.

So you just don't get any development.

Yeah, like you build a car and then it's done and then there's like no time.

So facade facade mods.

Yeah, you're like on to the next stage.

And it's like, oh, yeah, you put all the stuff in, but you're not spending.

Well, it's like we were just talking about.

It's like the last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time,

but the last 90% of the time, no one wants to walk.

Well, there's no transformation.

Yeah, all the views are in the first 10%.

Yeah, new car, transformative body work.

And that's it.

Big crazy mod.

Yeah, finished.

Yeah, nothing.

Yeah, like, yeah, honestly, that's a pretty good segue

into what Hoonigan builds were like the brand builds.

Oh, yeah, we could get into that because I mean, that's that is the next line.

Although I did want to ask one question because you mentioned this earlier.

And I think this is an interesting one.

Maybe it's a bit heavy for a podcast, but OK, so we are now all of us are

over two years post tune again.

Yeah, yeah, almost two and a half years.

I think at this point, right?

I left in October of twenty three.

Do you think do you feel like things are are I don't want to say better or worse.

But I think when we all left, we were all really happy to be gone for sure.

Because, like, they're just what for all different reasons.

And it was a change.

And I think it was all really exciting for the first six months for everybody.

I went to go work in a different industry and I really enjoyed

super plastic for the first six months.

Obviously, I came back to automotive, but kind of looking at it because,

like, I know that I talk to all of you guys individually and it's like,

it's a weird bittersweet.

And I feel like this is going to be like a little bit grim of a topic

because I love not having a day job.

But I think I'm a lot less happy because I don't have the same

like interactions. Yeah.

And I think the thing that sucks the most for me is like I leave

Hoonigan and all my friends and people who I thought were my friends.

And they don't see anyone anymore.

Yeah. So Hoonigan was like a family and we had this like built in family

that you saw because you had to. Yeah.

And that was like my friend group in a lot of ways.

And I have other friends, but, you know, like Hoonigan was kind of like

a lot of you guys are my core friends. Yeah.

And then you leave.

Pretty abrupt.

I don't talk to like, I mean, it's like you guys hurt and I chat every now

and then kind of keep in touch with Dan. Yeah.

That's it. Yeah. Right.

But even that, that's so different from every day you come in and Zach for

the 20th time has the heads off of his Corvette and hurt is cold revving

the Torx stallion. Right.

And like, I mean, I talked to Zach a lot too.

But my point I was getting at is then you leave and everyone's got to

figure out their own life. Yeah. Yeah.

And everyone is too busy.

So you don't see anyone in for sure.

And like, you're like, wow, my fucking friend group has like deteriorate your

life, sir. And you're like, now I'm like in my mid 30s.

And I'm like, I feel like I don't have a lot of super close friends

because I moved out to California for this job.

I spent my entire life working with these people.

I didn't really have a huge friend group outside of it.

And now no one has time for anyone.

I mean, even in our own group chat, like I talk shit about it a lot to you guys

because we'll be like, let's go get lunch.

I mean, it can't even be possible.

Like everyone just has so much shit going on in their life that they can't

have a moment for anyone else and families, you know, like, so it's like

it's kind of a sad realization as an adult because and like I said,

this is going to be kind of grim because I was like, you do that, right?

So you're like, you lose all your friends.

You're like, I feel kind of lonely.

And then the other part sets in where you're like, you know,

I always thought like when you do it, we're an adult, you'd have your life

figured out. And then you're like, well, now I'm in my mid 30s.

And like, I'm doing all right.

You know, like I'm making money.

I'm like having like visual fun most days.

And you're like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

Like you're like, what happened?

Like I thought when I was like mid 30s, you'd be like, oh, I'm figured out.

I'm cruising to work my job.

I'm going to retire or whatever.

Now you're like, I literally have no idea what I'm doing.

And I don't know where any of my friends are and life is weird.

Yeah. So it is a really, really weird place to be.

And I think we even talk about it a lot on an individual level, sometimes on the

group chat, but like Hoonigan was such a gnarly, like marathon sprint.

If that makes sense, we were always running.

It was one project after another, after another, after another.

And we lived and died by the project that was happening at that time.

Whether it was a new series, whether it was a revamp, whether it was a

peril or the burn yard or a new location or Jim Connell launch or Jim Connell launch.

And sometimes these things stepped on each other where towards the end of it,

we are so, so burnt that we were just like, like, yeah.

All right, I could do what I want to do.

I could do my thing.

Like I could try this and do it.

And we did it.

And like we each kind of got to do some cool stuff.

And exactly like you said, you wake up one morning after you stopped

that sprint and you got your breath back and you got your legs back onto you.

And you're like, man, yeah, like we had something that you just can't replicate.

I think a big part of Hoonigan was it felt like high school in that one.

We were a bunch of fucking juveniles.

But more importantly, like when I go back and I think about like the high

school I went to, there was a ton of people in that high school who I like

they were my friends, but I didn't really hang out with them after school.

But I really enjoyed seeing them in school.

And they were people that I would not have

seeked out to be my friends.

Right.

Like there was like the kid like I most of my core friend group in high school

were a bunch of kids on the soccer team.

I didn't play soccer.

I don't know.

I don't know why they became my friends.

But like I enjoyed them and I enjoyed spending time with them every day in school.

But then like, you know, as time went on, we just didn't really have

the same kind of connection.

And I think like the three of us have sort of stayed more in touch.

And maybe, you know, we have with some of the other guys,

partially because we live in the same area.

We have a longer term relationship.

Like all of us were friends from the New York day.

We have similar interesting cars.

We have similar interests in what we want to do with cars, stuff like that.

But like Zach's a really good example.

I love Zach to death.

I enjoy Zach.

I spent most of SEMA with Zach this year and like just I don't even know why

it worked out that way until I got sick.

But and then it's like, but I don't like Zach is one of those people who

when I would see him at Hoonigan, I'd be like, oh, yeah, let me go like talk

to Zach about whatever random scale lunch there, like just eating like 17

pounds of raw meat while like looking at some new heads he had for his big block.

And like Zach and I connected on that.

But it becomes this thing where like, I don't want to say it's forced,

but it's like you put a bunch of people in a room and you will.

Well, you'll like different stuff.

But you'll find the commonalities with each other.

Yeah, you know, like I would I would invite Zach over to my house

when we were having like barbecues, like, you know, kickback style.

Yeah. And I'd be like, are you OK coming over to hang out?

Like this isn't going to like, you know, there's not going to be a vodka slide.

We're not having a phone party.

There's no slip and slide with naked girls.

His like level of fun is so different that like we don't.

Me and Zach hang out all the time.

We see each other a lot, but like we don't really chill like nights and weekends

because I'm like, he's into like a way different lifestyle.

Yeah. So it's like, and that's kind of the funny thing is like growing up.

You were like friends with like people who you share a lot of the common stuff with.

Yeah. Where it's like at work, friends, you're kind of like

just paired with people that you like, but like y'all are way different outside.

You know, even take someone like John Chase, like I don't talk to John Chase

as much as I should. I wish I did. I wish I did. Great.

And I like I had so many good times with John, especially like in the pre YouTube

era where like we did power tour and stuff.

But you know, which is one of those like he gets diluted and like,

but when you're all sitting in the same building, you find reason to like talk for hours.

Like who would put a cacao on their friend list before you met him?

You know what I'm saying?

Like even the first six months he was there, like he was just this like weird

dude, and then he broke through and you got to meet him and you got to know.

And to me, I think that's the comparison of high school.

Like you tend to hang out with people who are outside of like your normal circle.

And Hoonigan really created that.

I will say this, though, at least for me, I realized my dynamic was different

because I was the boss, but like I have a better relationship with everybody now

than I did during Hoonigan.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like I feel like I'm better friends with everybody.

Like there's really no one I can't think of anyone that there's like beef with.

But there were definitely was towards the end where they were just that tension.

I mean, even you and I had tension towards the end.

I think like once that all went away.

Yeah, but I always say like me and you actually had a really interesting dynamic.

And I was like me and Brian had a very like brotherly relationship

and that we can like really fucking argue, but then like still be friends.

I think at the end it was really and this is a tangent, but

the company wanted to tear apart the friends who existed before the company got bought.

Yeah. So like they would pit a lot of us against each other, which was whack.

Yeah. But you know, and the worst part about that was like the company that we had built

was so not that everybody that worked at Hoonigan worked at Hoonigan

because they didn't want to work a corporate job where people were trying

to snake their way up a ladder or something where we just wanted to create cool shit.

So when we got bought out, you all of a sudden have these characters

that like the only thing that matters to them is their own corporate growth.

Yeah. And the moves that they have to make to do that

tear apart the culture of a place. Yeah. In a huge way.

Yeah. But like just like I'm extending on my point before it's like crazies.

I kind of like try, you know, like it's I saw a quote recently and it was like

it was like you're an intern in life, like you're just always figuring it out.

So it's kind of crazy because I look at like I have a good friend, Pat.

He's super rich.

He sold a company that he built on his own and he lives up in Santa Barbara.

And he's like, I have all these friends.

He's like, I'm the poorest guy in my neighborhood.

Like my friends are like billionaires.

He's like, and they still work like 100 hours a week.

And he's like, I don't get it.

You have more money than anything you could ever need.

But you still are on phone calls back to back eight to eight every day.

And he's like, I don't want to do that.

I'm like, I don't want to do that.

But I think what happens is like you end up in this weird situation where like

post-Hunigan, you know, you're like, damn, I'm kind of lonely.

I don't really have like a ton of friends, but I do know how to make money.

And I know how to work.

So you just like end up like burying yourself and work because you're busy

and busyness makes you satisfied.

And then I started realizing that I'm like, that kind of sucks.

Yeah. Like that's mad empty because like, I don't know, make money.

And you're like, you buy shit.

And you're like, yeah, this isn't even really that cool.

So let's move on past the topic because I said it was going to be a bummer.

But look, I think it's a great conversation.

I think a lot of people out, I think a lot of people out there do feel the same way

and like are scared to admit that like you're an adult and you feel like fucking lost.

So it's like cool for people to be like, oh, yeah, these dudes who I watch online

like feel the same way. Yeah. No, look, I mean, we'll move past in a second.

But like, man, we had like really, really good times.

And sometimes you don't realize how good the times are while you're having.

Dude, that's such a cliche, but it's so true.

It's a cliche because it is so real that like you just keep looking at the next

and the biggest thing, but you don't realize that at some point, like you are at that

peak. We hated filming daily transmission.

It was the best fucking time ever.

It was such a huge pain in the ass.

It was such a massive lift.

And then we had to go back and finish our regular jobs.

But looking back on it, you were like, my regular job didn't fucking matter.

I should have just done the content thing.

And it was so fun.

Like we got to do such nonsense.

By the way, I'm so happy that you brought this up because forever,

the fans were like or the viewers were like, bring back daily transmission.

I was like, I can't tell you how much everyone hates this show.

Like we hate, everyone hated it.

And most reason was we didn't get to drive.

So we were like sitting there just being presenters.

And at a certain point, we had done over 300 episodes of it.

You get to a point where it's like, how many burnouts can you possibly see?

There's a few things that stand out like, oh, so boring.

Like a couple of man lines, right?

Like the B.J. Baldwin one, like Old Smoky, Micah's man line, Little's man line.

Die doing figure eights on the dock.

Like there's a few things to stand out.

A monster truck in the back of Compton.

The rest of it, though, was kind of just the same thing.

All right, for all you guys that don't know, back in the day,

we wouldn't be excited because a lot of the driving in the yard sucked.

The editors did a really good job at making making heroes out of regular stuff

that didn't look good. Yeah.

I would always get people come in like my connections or something.

They would do a shit job driving and like look like a total lot.

And they would text me when the video came out.

They'd be like, yo, thank you so much for making me like not look like an idiot.

They'd be shocked when the edit came out and they're like, whoa, wait, did I actually do that?

Yeah. And you're like, no, you didn't.

But like, we're not in the business of making lame content.

You know, that was what we told everyone because people were always afraid.

I'm like, look, we're not in the business of making you look like an idiot.

Like that's just not what we want to do unless you act like an idiot.

Yeah. If you want to be an idiot, you can.

Like there was that kid who totaled his car on the show that one day.

Remember, he caught the doorframe at the S13. Oh, yeah.

And like even that, we didn't we like kind of made him look like a hero.

And then like the the alpha twins, I forget they're the oil.

Oil stain, oil stain, guys.

Like they were like stoked to kind of own the like they crashed it when it happened.

Yeah. And they still look heroic.

But we asked them, you're like, you cool with this.

And they got a ton of hate from like the purist community.

But our community was like, OK, you guys are cool.

Yeah. You know, like weird car, but cool.

Yeah. Yeah. So like that that was like a big thing was like, you wouldn't be excited.

Because a lot of times it was like the edit was in post.

The magic was in magic.

You know, you'd be like, yeah.

So it wasn't that fun to make.

But I think the fun BTS that no one knows about is it's like

people were like, oh, you guys, I mean, remember, we opened the store

and people would show up and be like, what are you guys up to today?

Is Ken here?

And there's just like seven Model 3s in the parking lot.

Yeah. Like smart cars.

We're like, no one knew that we filmed that show from 3 p.m.

till 7 p.m. on Thursdays only.

So like you would be like in a meeting about like having fucking Andy

Andy Dellenback eating, you know,

name drop, he's just out here dropping peanuts and talking while chewing

about like selling the summer of mayhem or whatever the hell.

And then getting out of this meeting and then going and doing burnouts

for five minutes and then doing emails until 10 o'clock at night.

Like crazy. At the end of the day, a business is a business.

Like you have to make the numbers work to do payroll.

Yeah. Like there are such boring parts that you have to do.

You would sit in these mind numbing meetings and then have to go put it on.

Right.

And you would have to be super excited after just like

and Scottos just got seven graphs of like all this crazy shit.

And we were just like, oh my God, I'm so burnt.

But the fun parts were really fun. Absolutely.

The hard parts were really hard.

And I think like that really weighs on people.

It does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, guys. So we got to the first line.

No, I told you.

I told you we're an hour and 18 minutes in.

OK, how does this call this 12 hours?

We were 12 minutes in.

I was like, oh, sick. We're cruising.

Only I so many subjects.

Look, it's like a it's like a DaVinci code.

Only I can read the clock.

Otherwise, you guys know my God, that is the Scott o'clock.

That is a Scott o'clock because in Scottos mind, this has been 12 minutes.

Yeah, it's only been 12 minutes.

We've cracked the code.

Well, let's let's power run through a couple topics.

Like we'll keep it on.

We'll keep it on point.

So maybe should we just have?

I mean, should we have Nick keep us on track

and give us like like a minute and a half?

I don't want that. Yeah.

Nick's just letting it burn.

The one thing I wanted to get into, because we talked about, I was going to.

This was like a conversation we've never talked publicly about.

And I thought it'd be kind of cool to talk on it.

Is that the three of us are supposed to race the Nürburgring 24.

Which like I will say was a was a breaking point, I think, for all three of us

as to Hoonigan was no longer Hoonigan.

Yeah, so I'll set the stage for everybody.

So we we had been working with Hyundai doing a bunch of stuff with them around.

And and we went to the Nürburgring 24 hour race with them.

And you guys might remember, we went there.

It's actually where we met Jimmy Oaks and Brian, like, you know, fun event.

I love Nürburgring, love that event.

And we jokingly said to Hyundai, hey, you need some need some

ballast boys to jump in those cars and race the event for you next year.

We're here.

And they just kind of looked at us and laughed.

And then all of a sudden, a few months later, they're like, you know what?

We actually might be interested in you guys doing it.

I'll let Vinny kind of take it from here, because I think you

you know the next part of how it's going to come together.

So basically, you can't just do the 24 hour Nürburgring.

You need to do a lot of a lot of stuff.

But we were working with Hyundai a lot and they saw a lot of value

in the audience that we brought them.

And they were like, we know you guys aren't really racers,

but we see, you know, how to drive.

And obviously, the Hoonigan audience is really valuable to us.

So maybe we'll put that together.

So we worked on this deal for like, honestly, like probably two years.

Yeah, like two years.

I was like trying to figure this out.

And it was going to be a lot of money.

Oh, like it was a seven figure deal.

So we were like, OK.

And it was a 20 figure opportunity.

And we we came up with insane creative to make this cool.

I mean, our whole thing and it kind of parlays into like why

Ron and I did stuff with Hyundai, Brian had a non-compete.

And why we had these Elantra ends is we came up with a big campaign

and we were like, we're going to take these stock hunt.

We're going to take a stock Hyundai Elantra, literally just put a roll cage

in it and brake pads and we're going to go race like grassroots.

Twenty four lucky dog event.

Yeah. And grassroots 24 hour races get seat time.

We're going to get our VLM license and then 2024, I think it would have been

or maybe 2025, I don't know, we were going to go like build up, do some races

and then go and race the 24 hour of Nurburgring.

And it didn't matter how we did.

It was a story of like Hyundai making these cool cars

to like support the industry of like enthusiast autos

and giving these idiots who have no right to be there an opportunity.

And that would have showing the path all along the way, because it's not easy.

You need hours of competition driving just to be allowed on that race.

Yeah, we got so close to it happening that I started to get scared.

We got a contract.

Yeah, like Hyundai sent us an agreement. You started dieting.

I started dieting.

We all started like everyone was getting their sims on.

Hyundai sent us a deal for one point two million dollars.

And we were going to do it.

And then and then we'll pros didn't sign it.

Yeah. And the reason why and this is where like, you know, in hindsight,

you look back and you realize an entity like Hoonigan

can't operate in a big corporate structure.

No, because it all came down to and it's really something kind of dumb was like

their workers comp insurance would wouldn't allow racing.

And for us to go race in the Nürburgring would put their entire company

in jeopardy of losing workers comp.

And like that was enough of a yeah, which makes sense.

They have a thousand employees like them.

But it shifted, you know, everything.

We would we tried to figure out some workarounds.

And I think in the end, like they just weren't that interested

in figuring out how the three of us went to go racing.

I think it's like an interesting topic because, you know, to us,

this was sort of like we were in this weird plateau kind of like hovering

on the downturn, even while we were there.

Yeah. And because things were getting stale with what we were doing.

We weren't allowed to do a lot of the stuff we wanted to do.

And I think the company like what was wheel pros, whatever, didn't

they were never able to grasp that these people who created this brand

and cultivated this audience like need to do this style nonsense.

To them, they were like, we get it.

You guys want to go have fun.

We're not going to rewrite our rulebook for you to have fun.

And it's like, yeah, we want to have fun.

But like this stuff is what makes the brand.

You would always say we were not actors.

We were never actors.

The stuff that you would see on screen that we were excited about,

we would have to actually be excited about.

You couldn't fake the funk.

And you and the audience is really smart.

Like they see through that.

You they see through if you're not into something.

The problem when Hoeningen got bought was that you when you get bought

by a non media company and I'm sure you dealt with this a lot.

Brian was like our our knight in shining armor in the battlefields

frontline mix and all sorts of genres of war here.

But you can't quantify value of sentiment.

Yeah, you know, yeah, people liking what you make.

You can't be like, oh, they click this link and bought this stuff.

Yeah. Yeah.

For the most part.

Sure, you could see your UTM on your on YouTube or whatever,

but you can't quantify sentiment.

So to them, they were like, make the show that does the views

that we spend the money on and it's easy to make.

And you're like, that's just not like how we built the brand.

Like so you just become this versus that the company.

Yeah. And Brian literally used to fight tooth and nail for budget to do projects

that made no sense for on paper, on paper.

Right. What's crazy is is that not even that they would make sense.

They would almost sometimes break even and maybe sell some gear,

but they just were bringing the numbers.

You could you could attest to that.

They made no sense to like the CEOs.

Yeah, no, it's hard thing to sell for someone where you're like, wait,

so the three of you guys are going to go like you're going to be gone

for like most of the year.

Like you have to rent a house in Germany because you're you're there

so much on the Nürburgring and that is going to somehow make enough views.

Like, is that and they just look at and go, are those Jim Conner numbers?

And you're like, no, they're not Jim Conner numbers.

And then you look at this versus that.

And this versus that was such a double-edged sword for Hoonigan

because it was the most consistent viewership we ever had.

It was bigger than daily transmission.

I mean, at one point it was averaging a million views a week.

Crazy. Save the company for a while.

It was through COVID.

It was ripping. It worked really well.

And we built a whole new audience off.

It's still to this day.

I'll be like walking and someone will be like, you know,

you're that dude from the drag race show.

They don't even know Hoonigan.

They just know it's a drag race show.

Like it built a new audience, but it became so successful

and find it was successful, both bandwidth and financial by every excel metric.

Every excel metric.

It checked all the boxes.

I don't know if it checked the sentiment box because we were no longer.

We were no longer free to have banter to be ourselves.

We were actually kind of back.

I hate to say a little bit of the daily transmission role

where we were hosting other people.

Right. Right.

But remember, like early days, power tour.

Yeah, company paid for us to go to power tour

to expand us into the hot rod, like muscle car market.

But we didn't do like surveys and stuff until way later about

what cars you drove and stuff.

Yeah. So Brian had to be like, it's worth it for us to go

because it opens us up to a new market.

But then we do it and we make content and it's cool.

And we like do make a presence there.

But there was no way to say like more hot rod people like us now.

Sure. But it did expand the brand.

There was a spread in hot rod magazine

called like the Hoonigan's on power tour.

And that was enough to be like we did this and Ken was like, OK, that's cool.

Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But that was what I mean, like you used to fight for this thing

that you couldn't really say is like making us money.

But that's the shit that made people really like the brand.

Yeah. But I think it goes for everything.

I think it goes for you like your current content.

Like you have built what seems to be like a good, strong, loyal group

of people who love your stuff. Yeah.

You're not doing five hundred thousand views every video,

but like you've got people who are like they die hard.

They're diehard and they care about you.

They care about your stuff.

And like this goes back to, you know,

the my Foster Huntington conversation, which is like,

do you want to mean, you know, a little to a lot?

Or do you want to mean a lot to a little?

And I think that there was this this moment where in the beginning,

Hoonigan meant a lot to a little.

And then there was this weird moment where we meant a lot to a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Like it was small.

It didn't last for a long time.

We had this moment where people were just like, it felt this.

It had so much momentum. Yeah.

And everything you guys did was like on the back of that.

And you guys just kept killing it back to back to back to back.

You say that you say you guys because you feel like that was before you came.

That was right around that time. Yeah.

But you came to like scumbag labs.

I feel like scumbag labs.

You know, yeah, I came I came at the tail end of like

daily transmission, just being like raw vlog.

And when I came on is when things just started getting a little more structured

to make it a little more of a company, right?

Like sell more teas, like sell more partners in like you guys built the audience.

You built the brand and then you had to build the business.

It's funny because you say that.

And I think Brian and I were talking about this recently is like we

in a lot of ways were like paving the way for automotive YouTube.

So we were doing things and like kind of figuring it out.

So like, for example, we were coming up in YouTube with a show

when YouTube was a lot of vlogs. Yeah.

And so then we were creating like premium content, like build and battle, right?

And they wouldn't do as well because the audience really wanted grit and vlogs.

But then now you look at it and like the OG vloggers still do it and they do well.

But like new channels and stuff are making like almost TV level.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I'm like, wow, when we were doing that in 2016, 2017, like

2017, 2018, like YouTube just wasn't really ready for it.

You know, because like you came in and we were doing.

Yeah, we're doing build and battle.

We're doing scumbag labs.

We were doing like pretty like highly produced shows with big budgets

and like creative and Amazon documentary on the side. Yeah.

But for me, and I still stand this way, like I'd rather be early than successful.

You know what I'm saying?

Like I'd rather be there and doing it in the early days

than I care to be the most mature. That's your that's your that's your project guy.

Yeah, it's also just the creative piece of me.

Someone once asked me like if someone came out with an AE86 VR 6

ITB five speed, whatever swap kit, you'd no longer be done.

Just the kit existing, not the build.

And just the kit, even just like a cat.

No, man, so real.

Someone once asked me this.

They said, you know, they were talking about like, how do you feel about

other people who've done shows like your shows that are like way more successful?

Like they do way better, right?

And like they were meaning some doughnut stuff.

And I said, I have no problem with it because like we had to like bushwhack the path.

I expect the person who comes down the path after always to grade it.

And then the people to come after that to pave it.

And then the people to come after that to put up lights and also no one after that

to do all these things and make it nicer and nicer and nicer and make it a better

path because I don't care to be on that path anymore.

I want to go find another path.

And also like, I think like a lot of people innovated it on their own, too.

Like you can look at like, I remember one bumper to bumper came out

and I was like, this is a better show than build biology in some ways.

I think Hoonigan understood cars more and what was cool about the car.

But, you know, they did one key thing better than we did, which was James

being a strong host talked about the car.

We let people who oftentimes could be really fucking dry and boring.

Yeah, be on camera.

And that one change was like, oh, wow, that's actually pretty impactful.

Also, the fact that we were such already at the time, always just kind of super

core car dudes and we would just speak that internal language where Donut

did a really good job of opening the door to not as core enthusiasts.

They were way more top of funnel.

We were like, we were like kind of deep funnel like down into the week.

Just look at our titles from that time.

It's like we were JZ swapped S 13 shreds the yard.

What does that mean?

And then on the content, we're like, oh, you run a point 82 hot side.

Oh, it's cool. Why didn't you go T four?

And like, if you don't know about it, you're like, what the hell are these guys

saying? We were literally a band you probably don't know of.

Yeah, yeah, like, oh, it's a band you probably never heard of.

Yeah, we were that for a while. Yeah.

All right, guys, we we are now only one hour behind.

We're only one hour.

Better feeling we thought we were going good.

You guys want to move in.

We didn't even finish out the the whole N 24 story.

Now we finish is pretty good.

I mean, in the end, it just didn't end up happening.

Vin and I raised some SRO.

Well, yeah, we all left to it again.

Hyundai was like, hey, we're still down to do this.

We can't pay you a million dollars, but like we were down to do it.

And Brian couldn't join.

So that's how it kind of ended up that Ron and I got to go.

So basically, they got to go race SRO.

This guy got a Pikes Peak record and I got to drive a Santa whatever for six months.

You got some Ionic five at a time.

I did get to drive the Ion again before anyone else.

Yeah, yeah, up at Laguna, which is cool.

Hyundai is a fun brand to work with.

They're awesome.

Love the guys there.

Yeah, they're doing really cool stuff.

And the thing I will tell everyone is if you asked me if you would buy a Volkswagen,

a new VW over a new Hyundai, I would buy a new one.

Dude, we had the Elantra.

It says a Volkswagen guy.

We had the Elantra ends.

They were sick.

Great cars.

I actually like all the cars Hyundai makes.

You know, people would often ask like, oh, why do you guys sell the Hyundai's?

And I was like, well, I sold mine because like we weren't going to go racing anymore.

And the whole plan was to use them as like practice cars.

Yeah.

And I was like, Hyundai is like the N line or N because N line is a different thing.

But like the N models are cool for like, I think more entry level people.

Like it's not exactly my car, but I support it because I think they're good.

But if you're not building cars and you need something that's great at daily driving,

but also you could take to Laguna and throw down a very respectable time

with AC and then drive it all the way back home with no trailer.

What other front wheel drive car?

Dude, they rip.

They're super, they're super cool.

But the same way I wouldn't buy an FL5 type R is like the same way.

If I have to choose, like I'm not going to drive the Elantra end.

Like it's not that I think it's a bad car.

It's just not really me.

All right.

Moving into the next pilot.

So we did the first one.

We did a nice succinct 30 minutes.

And when I say 30 minutes, I mean, whatever that, whatever that thing,

it just started blinking as if it knew.

But yeah, so it's been an hour and a half.

So now we're going to do another succinct 30 minutes.

No, keep it tight.

Keep it tight.

This is actually, so part of this whole concept for very vehicular is that this is

like a launching pad for other shows I want to do, right?

What?

Shocking.

Don't derail, stay on topic.

Let's do it.

So this is called firing order.

Okay.

The group assembled right here is called the rotating assembly because we will

always bring in different groups of people to put together a list.

So it's a fucking, it's fucking listicles.

Let's go.

I told you guys what the topic was.

Hopefully you did your homework.

It's going to be the top three cars we ever built at Hoonigan.

This does not include Ken cars.

So it doesn't include like Hoonigan things like that because that's too hard.

Yeah.

It's a whole different world.

So it's the top three cars we ever built from shit car being our first car,

all the way to whatever was the last car.

Ron, you can start.

I want to say no particular order, but this is actually kind of an order for me.

Donk, Rolls Royce and Indie truck.

The Donk because I genuinely feel that the Donk was the most complete build that we did.

A, B, it took a bit, but we got there.

I feel like B was like, we were the only ones that could really do it.

And it sounds super pretentious to say, but like Donut built a Donk and well, they built a bubble.

And it just, yeah, they did.

It was like a, it was like a whatever, you know, it was a thing.

They did it after we built our Donk after.

Yeah.

And I think it showed up to FD at some point.

Maybe this is a fever dream, but somebody could back me up on this.

I never heard of it.

But for us, like confirmed, there we go.

So you spent so much time in the Donk world.

And when I joined on at zero to 60 magazine rides was like the bread and butter.

And I really started to, you know, understand and respect Donk culture and everything.

So I felt like we had through you an in to do a real actual Donk build, a Donk story.

We all built it together.

Like I did the steering column.

You were doing suspension.

You were grinding on the fender.

Well, I learned to weld on that project.

All of us came together and then we fired up that big block and just like the,

the blower surge that that thing would have.

John Chase hand painted things on the blower belt.

Every time we drove that thing, people would just lose their mind.

Big burnouts.

We set the brakes on fire.

It went to the UK.

JP performance had it for a while.

For me, it was so oddball, but we made it work.

And we made it part of our identity that like we did a 26 inch BBS ret.

That's crazy.

Donk was a good build.

I, it's funny because like the Donk's not on my list because I feel,

let's go through his list first.

So the idea is let's go through his list.

So you got Donk first.

Yep.

Donk.

And then the roles, we made a Rolls Royce actually drift and drift well.

Like I got to drive that thing at balcony.

Like it, it, it ripped like four people in it.

It would do lap after lap.

We did a demo in Atlantic city with that thing.

We had that dual handbrake where you could lock the fronts.

If you could push it forward and then traditional handbrake pulling back.

A lot of cool tech on that thing.

We went through a lot of motors for whatever dumb reason,

but when it worked, that thing was so, so fun.

And then last one, Indie truck is like, to me, that was peak collaborating

with the company that was doing cool stuff.

Honda gave us an Indie car motor and their Indie car team and resources.

And these guys would come and help us like wire this thing in and we put it in a ridgeline,

which was so cool, man.

They were so cool to work with and like their designers put down the pencils for designing

whatever like next NSX concept or the next Odyssey to help us make the bodywork for this

thing.

And we went to the design studio like, wow, we put an Indie car engine in a car with their help.

And Ramon Grigian drove it at thermal.

To me, that was a moment of like, dude, this company is like, yo, some cowboy as the person

who like did the deals.

Yeah.

Like when you come up with something as ridiculous as that,

that was a crazy like you pitch it to a company and then they're down.

You're like, wow, we are like, we're on some shit.

Because you and I teamed up on that whole project from start to finish.

The fact that like you can just go to Honda HPD and be like, yeah, no, we want to put

this and this fucking thing.

And they're like into it.

And then you like, they pay you to do it.

It was like, they had the balls to do it insane.

They put the budget behind it and trusted us and we did it.

They dictated nothing.

They were just like, we just need it to be like a modern chassis

and the Indy car motor.

And that's it.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Yeah.

So those are my top three.

All right.

So now my mind and your job is to pick the best of his three.

You can be included because you can because only one moves easy.

Rolls Royce.

So me, I said, Donk didn't make it out to my list because I feel personally let down

by the Donk because I thought we were going to use it more.

But it really probably only got like seven street miles.

Like we never really used it.

It never got like mechanically sorted enough.

But it was cool.

I love the Donk.

So I'll tell you this.

I hate the Indy car build or Indy truck build.

And I'll tell you why.

Because for me, I feel like that was the ultimate jumping the shark for Hoonigan.

I agree.

Like I think that that the as a person who likes to build really crazy things.

And I enjoy that.

I appreciate the project.

I just want to I really appreciate Honda for trusting us.

Yes.

But in the end, we built something that the audience could never build.

We lost like any level of relatability with the audience and we couldn't drive.

Not only can we not drive it, we could not start it on our own.

It required a warm up sequence that for an Indy car.

So I agree.

Like the Indy truck was sick.

Like it was an insane flex of us being able to make something like that.

And it came out really cool looking.

But like in terms of jumping the shark, we built a car that we couldn't drive

and couldn't even start.

So we were like, yeah.

It's like soupy Grimm and the boys like they did an amazing job on that Honda.

And like, what was the dude from Honda who helped us?

I forget his name.

There's so many.

Yeah.

I just want to shout them all out to Andrew Salzano, Kelvin.

Kelvin, John, John Whiteman.

Yeah, like the whole crew, like everybody was so good.

And it was such an amazing project.

And I think if we were like an agency that was hired to build that for Honda,

it would have made a lot of sense.

But it was such a.

It was far out.

It was such a tangential direction for what Hoonigan kind of was known for doing.

And I know, look, there was an audience that loved the build.

I think they really enjoyed it.

But when it was done, it was like we built a car that we.

Yeah.

So you guys, you guys make a great point.

And I think from a content side, and you guys are much more builders than I am.

I mean, we helped ruin the internet from a from a content and builder side.

I do agree.

Yeah.

For me, the pride came from a complete brand side is that this,

this company that started just making Facebook videos and just a handful of t-shirts

had the pole.

Yeah, no, it's super sick.

That's where I come from on that industry.

But I agree on the content side in the industry side of it.

It was such a like feather in the hat, right?

To be like, we went and worked with Honda racing.

We built this amazing thing and look at how crazy it is.

And like, who would think to build this?

Yeah.

That part of it was good.

I think from a brand side, it was a weird, it was a weird.

It was weird.

And we were, I think we, we killed it.

We killed that project.

And that you said earlier that like we were kind of on a downturn of internal sentiment,

right, at the brand.

And I think you could feel that through the content.

We didn't do a really good service content wise to that because we didn't follow the whole build.

We only did eight episodes on that, which really like if we had actually cared enough

to do a day to day to day, and we were all a lot more involved in it,

I think it would have been more of a win.

But at the end of the day, you're right.

Still such a sick project though.

Unrelatable to the regular like car person.

All right.

So I, my top in his list is the doc.

Of course.

Like, yes, I'm connected, but the roles is also really important for me.

I mean, the background of the roles is that that's actually a vehicle that

ACP and I built for a discovery channel show that like had a horrible budget.

They fig, they thought we'd build the whole car in a week.

We like thrashed it together.

It was classic bad television, right?

I mean, it was the era of just bad, let's just paint it or put a wrap on it.

So it looks different and sub in somebody else's tire squeals.

Yeah.

And we like, we just, we cheated every corner on it.

And the fact that we got to like write that wrong later on was really, really cool.

Yeah.

Of all of the cars that we ever built, like if I had to choose one to keep, like if you're

like, Hey, you can have any one of these cars that we built, which one would it be?

It would probably be the roles because I think it's the best built thing we built, right?

Like the doc.

You didn't say scumbug.

Scumbugs on the list, but it's also like the scumbugs worth like five grand.

So like, I could put like whatever.

Scumbug has a spot for me, but it's an honorable mention.

But for me, like the roles is probably one of the coolest things we built.

But the doc, we needed the doc.

Like I don't want to get like, I don't want to get like that, but it was the middle of

the pandemic.

It was actually, I think it was early pandemic, early pandemic.

We weren't seeing each other.

It was the one day of the week that we all got to get together to work on it together.

And I feel like it was just, it was this weird out there project

that all of you looked at me being like, we're going to build what?

100%.

And it was definitely one of those, like, oh, it's another Scotto Folly.

And it first showed up and it was brown and the landow was just gross.

And remember the wheels it had?

We realized that the wheels.

Oh, we realized that the wheels had, uh...

Wait, the originals?

No, no, no.

Not the originals.

We got a set of wheels to throw on it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just to roll it up.

And we looked at the design and we realized that the design may or may not have been

the Japanese Monji logo, which also happens to be the logo of the Third Reich.

Oh, I don't remember that.

You don't remember that?

So we took the center caps off?

Oh, yes.

We looked at it.

We're like, did anyone ever realize that the wheel design is a swastika?

Holy crap.

I love his New York accent, swastika.

It's like a sticker, right?

But yeah, so we immediately took the center caps off.

Anyway, that car, I don't know, I just feel like maybe not so much like that.

Like, yeah, if you were to put the end product next to the rolls,

no, the rolls is better.

But for me, the dunk was the last peak moment for the crew.

Like I felt like we all really got back together again.

Like that was like real vibes.

Everybody wanted to be there.

Like even Hurt was like welding.

Like, you know, on builds, Hurt was always the guy we wanted to stand in the background.

But like we were all there.

We were really enjoying each other's time.

It felt like it felt like peak friendship of everybody there.

And then when it was done, we made it ours.

Like we built a dunk, but it very much felt like the Hoonigan Donk.

It didn't feel like all the other donks that you see at like,

obviously it's not as nice as the stuff that's shown up at the Rick Ross car show.

But like, I don't know, it was pretty top tier.

But it was it was rad.

It was super cool.

One off carbon roof.

Yeah.

And like, at least we beat the shit out of it a few times.

I do agree.

We didn't drive it enough.

I just felt personally hurt.

We didn't use it more.

But yeah, I know that car.

That car came out really nice.

Yeah.

So like, so for me, it would be that.

So now you get to choose if you have of the Ron pick that moves to the top list.

I picked rolls.

He picked donk.

No, I picked rolls.

I'm sorry.

I picked rolls.

You picked donk.

What?

Oh, I picked donk.

You picked rolls.

Yeah, there you go.

Sorry.

Now I'm confused.

Donk or rolls for the top top.

For the top top of your list.

We'll move it forward.

Realize it may repeat itself later.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, God, that's really hard.

Final version rolls.

Rolls.

Yeah.

In the like off white.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Because yeah, when you you were like, oh, you should color match the wheels on it.

We did like to the body paint.

The beige.

The like beige.

Cream.

Yeah.

So yeah.

That was pretty sick.

All right, Vin.

Top three.

All right.

Mine is in order.

Number one favorite car.

And it is a little bit of a contradiction of what I just said about the donk,

but the 632 Camaro.

I love that car.

We got to design it hand in hand with Chevrolet performance.

And like, I think the body kit that we made for it was like,

perfectly not internet.

It was no wide body.

It was like super subtle, but aggressive.

It was also 3D printed, which was really early.

Now everyone's 3D printing kits.

Lee Coleman for just putting up.

That was insane.

Worst 3D printing.

The car would shake the bottom the fucking thing.

But it was early, man.

But nobody was three kids then.

That car looked cool.

It was like understated, but like rad.

The engine looked insane.

Like the sound of it was nuts.

It was.

I just love that.

In the SEMA booth with Chevy.

Also, and we had the matching 3500 Dually,

which was sick.

And for anyone who doesn't know, growing up in my bedroom,

I had a picture of a red third gen Iraq above my bed.

You know, you could have just told them when you were Italian.

Yeah.

You didn't have to go out there.

Who doesn't know I'm Italian from Queens.

So yeah.

So I love that car.

It was so cool.

But again, just another fucking YouTube car that we built.

Never really got to drive because it sucked.

It had too much power.

We never dialed in the chassis.

I drove it once on this first that and I thought I was going to die.

Also, a third gen Camaro almost no matter what you do to it is just

unless you're Detroit speed.

Yeah.

I was going to say Detroit speed built.

Like you are.

It's just going to be a terrible car.

Yeah.

We just needed to spend time like dialing in it.

I love that car.

Second ones are rolls.

Dude, rolls.

Shout out soupy and the boys.

Crazy build carbon floors.

Fucking cup holders.

Like fab work on the transmission tunnel with everything suede and aluminum and

like all the stuff.

So sick.

And it looks last last iteration.

Sick wheels, good stance.

Like the whole thing really complete packaged car.

I like that one a lot.

Although I hate now current day.

Hate making things that aren't supposed to be drift cars, drift cars.

Like it's over guys.

Don't do it anymore.

But in the era where it was cool.

Third, shit car.

Nothing is more fun than a $500 car that we bought off a guy in a trench coat

and literally dollar for dollar had the most fun anyone has ever had with a car in history.

Like that was insane.

It birthed our YouTube brand.

Like Hoonigan already existed.

Shit car is what catapulted that.

That car was so fun.

I learned how to do donuts in that car.

Like so many people drove that car.

Even before we did remember we came home with it in the rain and we were just throwing it

as hard as we could in the parking lot just to try to do one thing with it.

Because it had an open gif and like was barely running.

I don't really like like missile cars.

Like I think that era has passed us.

But there's something to be said about having a car that means nothing to you.

And driving it with no remorse.

Like that man and machine connection of just disrespecting the mechanicals.

I feel like you were almost kind of chasing that feeling with your free 36 a little later.

Like just no remorse driving it hard.

Radle canning the whole thing.

So fun.

Like shit car was fun.

We had a lot of fun with it.

Like some of the best memories of daily transmission were with shit car.

Shit car is great.

I mean shit car July 4th edition.

Insane was insane.

I go back and I watch that.

And I think yeah this company was never going to be able to go.

There is a thing.

Like just the reality of how dangerous that all was.

I just remember on Kano hanging out the window.

On one episode Hurt was just trying to set the airbag off of the sledgehammer.

Which is the stupidest thing ever.

Where's the sensor.

It was just like the dumbest time.

And it was so fun.

And like I don't know.

Shit car will live forever in my heart.

For sure.

Such a special car.

I talked about this with someone else.

Like the reason why.

Also that we call this shit car.

And we were like we can't call it shit car.

You can't have the name of a car be a curse.

He was like do not call it shit car.

It will demonetize us.

So anyway we're here with shit car today.

Yeah whatever you don't call it shit car.

What shit car?

Every time it would demonetize us.

Every time.

Like oh we fucking shit car.

Yeah.

But there was something special about shit car because of the time.

Because we tried to revive shit car multiple times.

And it never worked.

And the reason is.

It's death was the off road version.

No but it's not even that.

It's death was all the rest.

Everyone else getting their own project cars.

Because at a moment it was like the neighborhood bicycle.

But there was no other bicycle.

Like it was the only car we had to play with.

Hurt had a drift car but it was always broken.

So like shit car became the car.

Everyone was allowed to drive.

Which means that everyone was interested in fixing it.

So like when Adam crashed it.

And then Hurt crashed it.

Like we were all like mad kind of mad.

But like enjoyed them crashing it.

But then we all helped pull it back out together.

When we finally did the off road shit car.

Which I agree was a bad idea.

But at the time I think like we didn't need another drift car.

Because everybody was building their own drift car.

There were so many.

You know like everyone had their own stuff.

I know it was YouTube.

So we were just like doing nonsense.

Trying to do dumb stuff.

But even then I remember nobody wanted to work on the car.

In the beginning everybody was down to like stay after hours.

To figure out why it wasn't working.

To deal with Bill Caswell for three days.

So he removed like 97 pounds of wiring from the car.

Had two in my opinion are the most iconic non Ken Hoonigan photos.

The first one Vin doing donuts.

With that like really slow pan in your foot hanging out.

In the middle of the door.

And the other one was that SEMA.

Where we blew up the engine with nitrous.

And the fireball.

I think JR sang.

Is that when we had the exhaust going over the hood.

Yeah.

Boso style.

Yeah.

I don't even know if that's Boso style.

That was just that was just scumbag style.

Yeah.

That shit was sick.

Super iconic.

All right.

So Rolls has already moved on.

So now it's it's the 632 and shit car.

What do you I mean.

Which would you pick of those two.

Do you have to keep it or like favorite build.

Out of 632 and shit car.

Yeah.

If we got to move them forward.

Because everyone's going to get one thing.

You have to move forward.

It's just I love the 632.

And the 632 was really really close.

Again another build that Vin and I really closely collabed on.

But the 632 and the Rolls kind of live in the same tier.

And the Rolls is just like just barely a step ahead of it.

I do I do sort of agree.

Because the Rolls was like an actual car.

Yeah.

The Camaro never made it past the.

No.

The YouTube build and then like static display.

Yeah.

You know.

Do you remember.

Which is sad.

But.

Do you remember that glove company was like we were they

were sponsored our stuff.

I don't remember what it was.

W. W. T. D.

Doesn't really.

Yeah W. T. D.

And they were like we really need a SEMA car.

Oh yeah.

I remember.

And you were like you can have Scotto's R. W. B.

Or shit car.

And he said it as a joke.

And they were like we'll take shit car.

Dude.

And then we told people.

To stand on the roof.

That they could stand on the car.

And they said that there was such a line of people coming out.

To jump on shit car.

I don't even think we said it on Instagram.

I think we were just walking around.

People are shit car really here.

And we were like.

Yeah.

Can we take a picture of those.

Like go stand on the roof.

Took SEMA by storm.

There were so many pictures of people just standing on top of the car.

And you're like this is insane.

Yeah.

Oh that was so cool.

All right.

Shit car moves forward.

All right my list.

And I had a variable for the last one.

Because I figured mine would be a little redundant.

No.

Your show our rules.

Three cars Brian.

Well.

Your show our rules.

This fucking feels like.

This really is old school.

All right.

So for me I had the dunk.

Right.

Of course.

I knew that would be your top.

I had shark cart.

Oh yeah.

And I'll tell you why shark cart versus shit car.

Is because we lost the plot with shit car.

And shark hearts still cool right now.

Like if I opened this door and we had shark heart to go drive in a like at Apple Valley.

You'd be like yeah fuck.

Brian you're good at analogies or well both of you guys are.

What is the analogy for shark car.

Because it is the ugliest stupidest looking thing ever.

That's so embarrassing to be seen with.

But driving it unparalleled fun.

So why I think.

Yes.

Yeah.

The first time we supercharged it.

I remember getting back in my street Evo at the time and thinking that a boost pipe had popped off.

And it only dynoed at 275.

Was that after we crashed it.

No.

This is the other Evo.

All right.

No he's talking about the Miata.

And so the Miata.

Did you crash the shark heart.

Oh yeah.

I crashed.

Everyone crashed.

It was so sick.

And that thing was.

You also crashed shit car when it had the SR in it.

Yeah.

First run out.

Yes.

Second.

Yeah.

And do an RV.

It was shark heart was fast.

Dude.

So it was fast.

It's super maneuverable and like pretty fucking durable for what it was.

Shark heart was magical.

Dude.

That car was insanely fun to drive.

I just hated looking at it.

The thing about it that I loved was it went from a car we cared so little about.

That $200 Miata we hated.

You did the like.

No mercy.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's a neutral drop thing.

I did the seesaw burnout.

Seasaw burnout.

Seasaw.

First gear reverse.

You didn't do it.

That was sick.

And then it became sort of not only a hero, but it also became the car that so many people

learned to drift on.

Yeah.

Like not just internal people, but like people would come by and be like, oh yeah,

you want to learn to drive that?

Eight year old learned how to drive manual and then did donuts like 10 minutes later.

Like it became that car.

And I know Shikar is more iconic to the fan base, but there's a reality that Shikar had

like a small window of working properly that we all remember.

But Sharkard had a longer life of actually being a pretty good car.

I have such a bad memory that I didn't even remember.

Like I didn't even register on my list.

Bro, when you said 632, I was like, oh, I forgot about that.

That was a great, great build.

It sounded really good.

Which I wanted, I forgot.

Man, I thought about this and I forgot to say it.

Just because I love shitting on it.

But I was going to say my two top favorite builds come from the worst time I've had to get.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

621 was peak.

TSS was in it for me.

It's really interesting.

Yeah.

But we won't talk about it.

Let's get to Scott's list.

All right.

So Donk, Sharkard, and then I had a variable on the last two because I knew it was going to repeat.

So I'm going to throw in the variable.

I had rolls on the list.

And it's already moved forward.

Yeah.

So the variable for me was scumbug.

Yeah.

And scumbug, I don't think was a great build by any means.

But the story was incredible.

It was the thing that brought us into the world of telling adventure stories.

And I just kind of loved it.

But also, I think Hoonigan had such a unique way of doing things.

Because do you remember why we bought that?

We had to go do a BFG story with Bill Caswell.

And Bill Caswell didn't show up to the race.

So literally the day before leaving, we were like, this might not happen.

What do we do?

So Brian was like, let's buy a car and go drive Baja.

So me and him scour the internet, find a car, go and buy it.

And the hood.

The dude won't show up.

He won't come to the door.

We're looking at other ones in front of his house.

Find another one.

Go buy it.

Bring it back.

The boys, I think Dan, Danger Dan, just started two days ago.

Stays all night.

Welds a fucking light bar to the top of it.

And then we take it to Baja.

Like that was such a fun and incredible moment of like anything.

Because I used to call us like the cockroaches of the industry.

In the positive way of like nothing could kill Hoonigan.

Because it was like any problem could come up.

And we will come up with a solution that not only works, but it's like pretty good.

You know, and like, and then we created this like hero like impromptu,

no creative zero plan before we were literally like,

this is what we're going to fucking do.

And we did it.

And then we rewrote a whole idea about what we're going to do.

We went and did it.

It was like steering wheel fell off while driving it.

It was crazy.

One of the most fun trips I've ever been on in my life.

Yeah.

We found that amazing spot south of San Felipe on the water.

Which I'll tell the very good story.

I thought there was whales.

Do you remember that?

No, Zach, I remember the story.

I was like, is there a whale outside?

Sounds like a whale.

And it was Zach snoring.

No, no, no.

This is your memory.

No, it was Memo snoring.

Oh my God.

Oh my God, dude.

It was so that trip.

Scumbug rules.

Scumbug for the feels.

Even though I did it, I always enjoyed driving it.

But like it was whatever of a car.

But yeah.

It was a very acquired taste to drive.

All right.

So it was a shitty.

You guys get to pick from that group.

Donk, Sharkart, Scumbug, what moves forward?

Scumbug.

Oh, I thought, wait, where'd rolls go?

Well, rolls is already on.

OK.

Rolls and shit car have already moved into the finals.

Oh, OK.

Hey, Ron.

Each one of us move one forward.

Ron, did you ever watch the show we made on Hoonigan

called Circle Jericks?

I did.

So for anyone out there, OG viewers, we had a game

called Circle Jericks.

You remember it.

It had a rule book that made literally no sense.

$12,000.

We're into that right now, because you're like,

what car moves forward?

And we don't even know what move forward is.

It all makes sense.

OK.

I will repeat this one more.

We're going to have an on-screen graphic for this.

I may just be really dumb.

On-screen graphic.

Ron, from Ron's list, the rolls moved forward.

From Vinny's list, shit car moved forward.

And now this list.

My list is Donk, Sharkart, and Scumbug.

You guys get to fight over which one you think should move forward.

I'll have my input on it.

OK.

So does Donk move forward?

Does Sharkart move forward?

Or does Scumbug move forward?

And I think you also have to look at the total list.

Rolls and shit car are already on the list.

Yeah.

I mean, for me, it's Donk.

Yeah, I would go Scumbug just for, I think,

that it was just a really fun time at the brand.

I think Donk was definitely a way better build.

I mean, it's like comparing apples and raisins.

But eight raisins.

Yeah.

Do you like raisins and oatmeal cookies?

No, man.

Two things that should change in the world

is raisins and chocolate chips swap places.

Yeah.

I'm back in that.

Yeah.

In every situation.

Yeah.

In every situation.

Imagine how good like bran flakes or corn flakes,

whatever the one is that comes with raisins.

So much better.

Like anything with chocolate chips.

So much better.

Another one is like walnuts should go fuck itself in banana bread.

Yeah, I'm all right with that.

I'm all right.

I'm less mad at that more until they're raisins.

Yeah, I could go either way.

Like sometimes you get a really good walnut

and it just kind of falls apart.

It's not bad.

This is the podcast.

But you know what's dope in banana bread?

Chocolate chips.

Yo, so much better.

So much better.

Okay.

So by the way, this is another pod.

This is a real pod, yeah.

Forget firing orders of spin-off.

So hungry right now, by the way.

Oh my God, just that alone.

It's not snack break.

It's just snack the pod.

Yeah.

And I think it's cool because we could do like food stuff

with literally absolutely no.

This is a great eating table.

Yeah.

Just no sort of experience or like credibility

in the space or anything.

Oh, and the food space is zero.

Look at Action Bronson.

What other than eating, what experience is he?

I guess he was a chef.

Oh, he was a chef.

He was a chef before he was a rapper.

I think.

Anyway, that idea is out.

So you guys are going to, you got everyone's

donk is what we're moving forward.

Yeah, let's do that.

That's my vote.

Okay.

So we're re-looking at the list now.

Do we feel good about top three?

We have to order them still.

But rolled, shit car and donk.

These are the greatest cars Hoonigan ever built.

So we're not thinking that maybe somebody had

something else on there.

100% because shit car is a very low budget car

like scumbug, but shit car did more for the brand

than scumbug did.

So it deserves its place on a list as being a shitty car.

Yeah.

It's like, there's so many different metrics to go by too.

Like what's a great build?

What moved the brand forward?

What was the most fun to drive?

But I guess if we're talking overall,

then I'm pretty happy with that list.

All right, so now let's order them.

Rank them.

Rolls, donk, shit car.

In that order.

Rolls, donk, shit car.

Rolls being number one.

Yeah.

Shit car being number two.

No, no, no.

Rolls, donk, shit car.

Okay.

So rolls being number one, donk being number two,

shit car being number three.

Yeah.

I'm with that.

I don't think shit car could be higher on the list,

but it deserves to be on the list.

I mean, we built dozens of cars and it's on the list,

which is cool, but it was a shitty build.

I hate that.

I agree, because I thought this would be more of a fight,

but this is a problem.

It's brand stat is all the way out here,

but every other stat on shit car is like...

Yeah, because every, like the rolls was like soupy

and the team flexing, building a crazy thing.

The donk was like internal sentiment, great.

And then the shit car like put us on the mat.

Like those are, that's a good fucking,

like it covers all spectrum.

Is there anything missing?

I'm going to just throw a couple like cars out there

that we didn't talk about.

Knuckle bus was E36.

Always ugly.

Always was ugly, but definitely was a car

that got driven.

My favorite to drive.

If I had to do like a driving event tomorrow,

I would drive that thing.

That car ruled it was cool.

It was one of our first like big projects

as a brand to do with a big paying partner

to like do marketing, like, you know,

for the cylinder heads and stuff.

I just, it, to me, like the car never was styled well.

It wasn't ever like over the top, cool.

You know, but it was like, it was a cool car.

Like Ron said, I mean, we went to that event

in a Atlantic city and put 6,000 laps.

Oh man, that was a great day.

That was good.

That was a great day.

Yeah, great car rules.

I mean, driving an LSE 36 drift car.

Fucking awesome.

The lightning was always a shit box.

No, the lightning looked cool, but sucked.

It looked cool, but the suspension was weird.

It was a cool idea.

Else.

We built a couple of really cool cars.

You know, it's so funny that such a crazy build

that we did, but the three of us were so disconnected from it.

Warthog.

Yeah.

I mean, Warthog was cool, but it felt more like.

That was full corporate.

It felt like white label, like.

Full corporate.

I never drove it.

I don't know if you guys have an idea.

I didn't like that build at all, except for the fab work.

Like I would just look at the fab work and then it was sick.

Amazing body work.

The plexiglass molded shield, like the ammo boxes

and everything.

That was great, but super disconnected.

Um, Cole Marrow.

Next.

Go pick that up.

Literally out of all Hoonigan builds right now,

we are closest to Cole Marrow.

I forget.

Geographically.

I forget that I own Cole Marrow.

It's crazy.

I always say.

You own it for the motor.

But I got, yeah, but I got it in the divorce.

They didn't know what to do with it.

And I took it.

And before from the company, not, not his wife.

I said divorce on a episode, a YouTube episode with Vinny,

where I also talked about porn hub.

And everybody was like, bro, I'm so sorry to hear about you

and Ashley.

I was like, wait, what?

What did she post something?

Literally, literally everyone was like, damn,

I didn't know Brian got divorced.

Oh my God.

I met the divorce from the company because it feels like that.

Like it feels like a divorce.

Like when you have kids or like, I,

it's still going to be a part of my life.

I mean, I'm sure there's Hoonigan something in the background,

but like it always is there.

And I'm always going to be a part of it.

What else did we build?

All right, man.

This is a good ranking.

By the way, I do want to point out

we have crossed the two hour mark.

Nice.

Congratulations.

We should start wrapping it up.

We should start wrapping up.

People are going to wrap it up.

All right.

So this was like an okay launch for firing order,

but the problem is, is we all have two similar tastes.

Like I feel like-

You wanted a good fight.

I wanted a good fight.

And it's like, we can fight over nuance

and nobody wants to listen to that.

Like we could fight over which way to like,

like we could fight over different versions of DBS mesh wheels.

Yeah.

Like just that, just ranking meshes.

Even then, I think Vin and I would be aligned.

You would be, I don't know.

No, we're not going to get into that.

What's the top one for you?

Just real quick.

Top.

I don't want to talk.

LM?

No, it'd be an RS, man.

It's OG.

Yeah, RS though.

Okay, E to E.

Yeah, I think stylistically that looks better.

I mean, yeah.

Stylistically, like E07s are tight,

but you know, the RS is the wheel.

But that's only because everybody did the shit

out of the E.

We're two similar.

You guys won't be invited back for the show,

but thanks for helping me pilot that part.

That's cool.

So the next one is Good Cop, Bad Cop.

Good Cop, Bad Cop is a show that Vinny and I have talked about.

Forever.

Because the one thing Vinny and I don't agree on

is what a good buy is in terms of cars.

Yeah.

100%.

We have similar style.

There's, we own, really, Vinny has an I-11.

I have an I-11.

Vinny has a 360.

I have a 360.

Vinny has Ford trucks.

I have Ford trucks.

So?

We both have station wagons.

Wildly, wildly different.

We both, but when, like, when, what?

Sort of have muscle cars.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We have very, very similar groupings.

Like, our garages would look, well, other than his,

it's like clean.

But when it comes to the nuance of which car

would you start with is completely that.

So I don't know if we've had enough time to do everyone.

And I, you guys didn't, I wanted this to be a surprise.

I wanted to be like, go in and pull up your saved cars

on Marketplace, Good Cop, Bad Cop.

But then if you found out that me and Ron don't save cars

on Marketplace.

Don't save on Marketplace, which is interesting.

I save parts, I think, mostly.

But maybe, maybe I don't hold on.

Is that because you're not as much of a marketplace

degenerate as I am?

No, because I'm so beyond stupid that most of the cars

that I'm into aren't even on Marketplace.

It's on like rally cars for you or, you know,

racecars.CZ.

Like it's, it's so beyond unrealistic.

Yeah, I don't want to save anything.

Okay.

The first, okay.

Okay, let's try this real quick.

What's the first thing that pops up on Marketplace for you

right now?

Bro.

Front page Marketplace.

This is how good the Algo knows me.

Amitabishi Mighty Max.

Oh, wow.

All right.

Mine is a mid-century chairs, a 911 Turbo and VolkTE 37.

Okay.

So mine for some really bizarre reason.

I don't know why a 1986 Pontiac F50.

It's an F50 kitted Fiero.

Not anything I've ever looked for.

E92M3 because I really, really missed mine.

Me and Ron's are kind of odd.

And a 200 series.

Me and Ron's are kind of oddly similar.

By the way, I've always wanted a Mighty Max because I've always wanted to put,

I've always wanted to put a Mitsubishi Evo drivetrain in a Mighty Max.

Shut up and show us your depraved Marketplace.

Okay.

This is like not planned.

This is just sort of the last three things.

This is the last three things I saved.

So here's the game.

I tell you what it is.

I tell you what the price is.

I show you the photos.

You guys decide whether or not it's going to be a good cop or going to be a bad cop.

Come on.

Show us.

And by the way, for those who don't know the word cop,

like maybe means like to buy or to get a cop, like a good cop.

All right.

Saved items.

Okay.

This one might surprise you guys.

Which is funny naming something after something that like,

like tri-state says and no one else.

Yeah.

My whole life is naming things after like a nine mile radius of Queens.

Okay.

So this one might be a little surprising to you guys,

because you know, I'm not a big BMW guy,

but I've always had a super, super sweet, sweet spot for this.

You have no idea what this is.

We have here.

Can I guess?

Yeah.

It's a 2002.

No, but that is a BMW I like.

My BMW list is pretty short and 2002 round lights is one.

Yeah.

Eight series is another one.

Okay.

But this is the other one.

And this is a car that came out when I was in college.

And I remember like going to Clown Shoe.

Oh, cool.

Clown Shoe, $2,000, $32,000.

I just bid on one of these the other day.

Cosmo over Imola interior, 90,000 miles.

Too much money.

One of 13 in its configuration.

Of course.

Yeah, it's fucking.

It's got all the bullshit in here.

That's too much money.

32 grand's too much.

I would say that's a good buy at like 25.

Because it's S52 car.

Why do you think that this car stopped going up in value?

Because like I thought that this was going to be one of those cars

that was going to hit bring a trailer at like 50, 60,

but it just sort of stopped after so many variations of M3 exists.

So many special variants.

Yeah.

So I just saw one.

I just bid on it the other day.

It was red on red S54 powered car.

And I was like, fuck, this is going to go for like super.

I thought it was like a hundred thousand dollar car.

I didn't do any research on it.

And it was at like 32 grand with like 10 minutes to go.

So I was like, damn, if I get this for 35 grand, I'm buying this thing.

It sold for like 44.

But I thought the same thing.

I was like, wow, I thought these go for like so much more money.

And they have it, but they're like, they're beautiful.

They're like cool.

But I don't know why.

I think because they they're like a weird hybrid.

Like you said, like there's so many generations at M3.

So that car has an E36 front end and like an E30 rear end.

So I don't think they're the greatest.

But I think you might be looking into it a little bit too much, too,

is that like values of a car that clown shoe is a car guys grail car.

Whereas there are so many other cars that are like more like up here.

And some of those guys that have a ton of money, they'll look at that and be like,

ah, that looks weird.

But also, I guess they have gone up a lot because I almost bought a clown shoe

in really good shape back when I lived in Santa Monica.

It's like 2015, 16 for like 12,000 bucks.

I just feel like they were really cheap.

I thought it became a forgotten car though.

Because when I was younger, I thought like that's going to be a close.

It is a little weird though.

They break my neck every time I see it.

They're beautiful.

They're so cool.

So but at the price, that would be a bad cop for you.

Yeah, that's a like in today's market, I think like mid 20s for that car.

I think they're I mean, but like also not like you, it doesn't matter.

You're going to buy and keep it until, you know, 600 years old.

Also, not a super unique color.

Willing to trade for an air-cooled Porsche.

This dude is fucking dilulu.

Wow.

Jesus.

On the on the path.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

You're willing.

All right.

That was a so bad cop, but like both you get a bad medium, medium cop.

Yeah.

Okay.

Little price.

Yeah.

Good, good intention.

Little bit too expensive.

Rough you up a little bit.

Protect your head on the way.

Yeah, yeah.

For sure.

All right.

Next up.

1990 Porsche 944.

It's a manual non-turbo backup, but it's a convertible.

Oh, worse cop.

Wait, they made that?

Yeah.

That's kind of one of the reasons why I saved it.

How much is it?

Does it run?

It's $6,000 and it runs in drives.

Too much.

It's $6,000.

So, okay.

Okay.

Here's the thing.

A clutch job is going to cost as much as that car does.

That car was the day ago.

If you buy it and drive it until it breaks down

and you could afford to just leave it where it is

and then sell it for whatever someone will give you

at that moment, it'd probably be really cool to cruise.

Let me hit you with some stats here real quick.

Remember when we were at Chew Works

and we just looked at the engine bay one of those?

Yeah, it's a yellow one.

They did what?

Like why?

Why did they do?

Isn't that half of a V10 or something?

Like it's something just so dumb.

But you'll see like some new tech and something

that looked like it came from World War II.

Yeah, and you're like, I don't like it.

It's a truck motor.

Yeah, sure.

It's a three-liter four-cylinder.

All right.

Let me run you through a couple of details here though.

124,000 miles, right?

It's mostly been in a warehouse driven occasionally

for the past six years or so

and it has spent almost its entire life from the original.

This guy is second owner.

Okay.

Let me go.

Hold on.

The original owner has had it in Palm Springs since new.

And yeah, and the interior is a little rough.

There's one glaring item that stood out to me.

The second you turn your phone around

and this screams, don't buy this car.

Let me guess, didn't clean it.

Has a flat tire.

Like you're telling me

that you have maintenance records on this car

but you're lazy as couldn't put air in the tire for the photo?

That screams like I didn't take care of this car.

It's such an easy thing.

Even if it has a leak, fill it up, take a picture.

If they didn't even clean it.

It looks super uncared for.

And I think if you buy a well-kept 944

and you could somehow keep it running, that's great.

But I feel like buying a neglected one

is like that's going to be a bad time.

Three years ago, I would have never thought about buying a convertible

but now without the farm, I kind of want a convertible

just to cruise around.

Oh, I tried to convince Vin this of the other day.

I was like an anti-convertible sports car.

Yeah, I think one of the best buys for a cruiser

that you could do right now today is an E93.

A convertible E92 M3.

You get a sick motor, a car that rides really well.

You get a drop top and they're like 15 grand.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's crazy how much car you get.

For a car that the motor is like 15 grand.

It's the first when you said I just heard 9-3

and I'm like, bro, sob 9-3.

Sob 9-3 convertible is not hard.

I, as I get older, I think BBS is.

They're really cool.

I think convertibles are cool.

I just have one big problem with them.

Except for 9-11 convertibles.

9-11 convertibles shouldn't exist.

It's the same.

It looks like a bath tub.

Also, I just hate the sun.

Like my biggest nightmare is like in California

is like sitting in traffic and a convertible.

Like just, you'd be, your skin would melt off.

I just think.

So my mom's got an E46 330 convertible.

And dude, it's so fun in New York

because it's like cloudy and nice all the time.

Oh, that's cool.

With the top down and shit.

And the BBS boys have really like kind of put me

onto convertible E46.

Yo, E46, E36, E30 vert.

Yeah.

Kind of hard.

It's kind of hard.

It's pretty hard, yeah.

All right.

This is the last one on my list at the rate.

I don't even remember saving this,

but it's a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo MR.

It's $4,500.

Evo 10.

Oh, okay.

But here's the thought.

Donate, donate the 4G64 to Ron.

Or put in the Mighty Max.

But my thought was, and I don't know how bad the hit is, but.

Why is this man showing us a total.

I'll tell you why.

Because I've always thought these would make,

especially the MR.

Because the MR.

Oh, I know.

Camera car.

Yeah.

I always thought this because it's got like the dual clutch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would make, and you could take the whole,

I could take the whole front end off

and basically just tube out the front.

Yeah.

And then just make the whole thing look ugly as all hell.

Basically, shark cart.

I really, basically, all-wheel drive shark cart.

I always, one of my biggest regrets

is not pushing for like getting an O2 WRX

and all-wheel drive shark carting, something like that.

Yeah.

I think that would have been a lot.

And basically, shark cart.

It's a bad cop.

Aren't those like 10 grand complete?

Yeah, they're, yeah.

No one wants.

This one's $4,500.

No one wants Evo 10s.

It's crazy.

That's why you could cut the body off, and it's okay.

It's so insane that like.

The Evo 10 is just, just never had it.

How quickly it lost its way.

One.

One claw on across the way.

One through nine.

It says that his, he's like, the Evo 10's the best car,

the best Evo ever made.

Oh, it was a daily driver.

It's great.

It's a lot more comfortable, like a lot.

But look at it.

Just look at him.

Sorry, Evo 10 owners.

Yeah.

Happy.

I love it for you, but not for us.

I remember when it came out, like it was such a diff.

I remember like going to the press launch for it,

and I was the biggest Evo 9 fan.

It was just like, anytime it was available on the press fleet,

I'd call Mo and be like, hey, can I get it?

Can I borrow it?

Can I use it?

Can I do this with it?

Whatever.

And when the 10 came out, I remember everyone on the press launch was just like,

what'd you do?

What happened?

They're like, but look how much nicer the dash is.

The seats are cool.

We made fun of it, but we didn't want you to change everything else.

And I remember Mitsubishi was like,

but it's a second faster around the same track with the same,

you know, versus a nine RS.

It's like, don't care.

Yeah, I just didn't have to drive.

Literally, that was the beginning of like,

but it's faster and we're like, but we don't care.

So there's an argument.

Is that the end of like,

does that car fit into driver's error for you guys?

The 10 or the nine?

The 10.

I think it's technically in the late 2000s, but is that the, is it?

I think it gets like a weird pass because it doesn't have that much tech.

It's just like no one likes it.

I think it's the beginning of the wrong path.

Yeah, I agree.

And that like, yeah, like heavy.

Even the O8 STI hatch was the beginning of the wrong path

of like numbing it down, making it more luxurious,

making it more comfortable.

It's like, people didn't buy your car.

You like the Evo because it was a shit box.

Yeah, they weren't cross shopping it with the M3 at the time.

You know, like you get an M3 because you want something that's nice,

flexy, great leather.

You get an Evo nine because it's raw.

Dude, I went back to back when I was younger.

I had an STI and then I have a daily driver car.

So I had an STI and then I had an E46 M3 and then I got an Evo

and I sold it and bought an Evo nine.

And it's like, it was the hardest thing to decide because you're like,

all right, the STI is kind of crummy.

I want a nicer car and got an E46 M3.

And then you're like, I miss having that thing.

And then you get an Evo nine and you're like, well,

the Evo nine kind of is a huge pile of shit too.

But like they offer such a different experience and like, yeah, you're right.

Like there is no blend.

Like there's no real like blend.

I guess like stripping out an E46.

And they tried.

They tried to blend it and that's where it all goes wrong.

Yeah, like don't try to make a Lancer nice.

Yeah, you know, don't make it for what it's not.

Yeah.

Anyway, all right.

Well, I don't know.

You guys got anything else?

We're, we're only nine minutes shy.

How do you, where is there a nine?

Oh, nine minutes.

How are you figuring that?

Nine minutes shy of that clock is the craziest thing about this.

I'm telling you, it's, it's like secret code.

Yeah, that's that.

I'm using the same like encryption that like won us the second world war

so that you guys don't know.

Do we need a, do we need a Navajo?

Does it feel like you've been here for two and a half hours?

I mean, my stomach says.

You guys are rolling.

Famished, hungry.

Famished.

Um, I don't know, you guys got anything else?

I mean, we could obviously go for hours, but I feel like I'm only not saying something

because I know it'll set off another like two hour tangent.

Yeah.

I think that's a good stopping point.

I would love to come back and just explore any other time.

Oh, well, you guys are, you guys, you guys are always welcome back.

With food next time though, I need snacks.

No, I know, but then like you get everyone talking.

Yeah.

It becomes a mukbang like nobody wants that.

Yeah.

Also, if there's snacks that eat the whole time.

What's up?

Can I throw one out there?

Yeah.

All right.

Of your top three ranking from firing order, each of you has to take one of those cars

across the country.

Who's driving what?

None.

Literally taking nothing.

Hold on.

What was that list again?

So I think you had obviously don't.

I think the Rolls.

Rolls don't can.

The Rolls is a full-world race car.

Okay.

So fixed backs, like super.

The donk at least has like a bench seat.

Let me, let me, let me set this.

So the question, they're going to break down in Riverside here.

Just take a flight.

Let me, let me just set.

None of them are making that L.A.

Okay.

Okay. So better, better, better.

Okay.

So the question from Nick, our producer was if we had to pick one of the cars

in the top three, which one would we drive cross country?

If you had, like you have to pick one, which one would it be?

And you all said none.

For me, it would be the donk because we put air conditioning in it,

and it has like a big bench seat.

So it's probably most comfortable, but driving that thing would be like white

knuckle 6000.

You'd be going 40 miles an hour the whole time.

You would be driving like a 60s movie.

Yeah.

Like there's so much steering involved.

Yeah, it'd be so scary.

Okay. So of all the cars we ever built, we have to leave right now.

We got to be in New York in four days.

Which car would you take?

So easy.

The RS three give away car.

I was going to say the C8.

Yeah.

The C8.

The C8 build.

That's the C-ma-C8 build.

C-ma-C8 build.

Easy.

Yeah.

That's it.

No, you didn't give us any exclusions.

C-ma-C8.

Those were built.

They were on our build channel.

Vin and I put that thing on its fucking nuts.

The KW suspension was so early in the development on that

that we had to cut out the bump stops.

Yeah.

Yo, you guys ruined that car.

No, I was actually just thinking about that the other day

that it was like the funniest, like weirdest flex,

but we took this brand new Corvette with like 10 miles on it to the track.

Ron blew it up.

Together.

And then I happened to be in the car on the event happening.

We just left it there.

Just on the grass at Button Willow.

And people were like texting me.

We're like, yo, is your Corvette here?

And I'm like, yeah, we're going to pick it up soon.

Yeah, eventually.

You realized that.

And you took it to the dealer and Vin with his never-ending charm got us a warranty.

No, the dealer was so cool because I was like,

yeah, you know, we were just driving on the freeway and whatever.

And he was like, it looks like it was on the track.

I was like, no, he was like, no, really, we don't give a shit.

Like it's a Corvette.

It shouldn't blow up regardless.

And I was like, oh, yeah, we were tracking it.

You know, the funny thing about that car.

I thought I was going to die.

That was my car.

I know.

It was my car.

And then when the company sold, somebody, I won't say name, won't name names,

forgot to put that car on an owner's list.

So it then became the company.

It became the company.

It became Wheelbrow's car, even though like it was given to me by Mobile One

as like an influencer deal.

And then like, and after that, I hated it so much

that that's why I was like, you guys can just ruin it.

I think out of all the cars at Hoonigan ever,

that's the one I had the most miles in because I used it as like a company car

to go out and do the Gymkhana test with Travis and then track.

For me, it was the Ford F450.

I drove the shit out of that thing because I was always towing in with it,

moving with it.

Even after I left the company, I was still borrowing it to like move my stuff out and all of that.

The other one was the was the BRZ.

The BRZ was the BRZ was a good driver.

I think that one of the best builds we ever did was, um, you know,

TJ Haunt came out with the Street Hunters body kit for it.

And our team just did such a good job at installing the front lip with double sided tape.

And it literally wrong drove the car home and just ran over the front lip.

I was on the pre pro lip and it started one of one.

They hand delivered it and I start driving and all of a sudden the car is like

and I just see splinters behind me on the 605 freeway.

And I was like front lip installed with zero hardware, just no zero screws,

zero bolts, just three M tape for an arrow piece on the front of the car.

That shit was so sick.

All right.

So I'm not going to cheat.

I'm just going to take an actual build, not something that is like what you would do in

like a dream life of all the cars, the one I would drive cross country scumbug.

Oh God.

Here's why.

I could totally see that.

But we drove.

You would just like enjoy it.

Yeah.

But we drove it a thousand miles in Baja and it made it.

So at least I know it would make it.

You would get.

I don't want to make it.

You want to drive so it's going to overheat and blow up and then I could you would get your shin

sandblasted from road grit.

You could see the road through the firewall in the foot well.

Yeah.

Sign me up RS three giveaway car road trip.

But that actually cross country road trip that from Utah.

With you.

You were in the, the whatever teal Simpsons.

Simpsons Audi Audi 200.

Oh God.

And I was dude.

It was turbo.

Quantro.

It was so hot and I was just like chilling in AC.

A bunch of power just doing poles.

Brian is like getting second hand smoke from just like the cigarette.

Oh no.

No, no, no, he had a fuel.

Genuinely.

Not only that.

No, it had an exhaust leak and the shifter boot was missing.

So exhaust was going into the cabin.

I was getting dizzy at points.

And it was like 150.

We would pull over.

You have to be like high on fumes to think that thing's cool.

And we would get to the gas station and Scott would be like, oh God, I'm falling apart.

I'm like, say, do you want to drive the RS three?

Don't say, I was like, do you want to drive the RS three?

Many is like, no, no, because like when you do get on it, you can hear the turbo like really good.

By the way, can I say that a highlight for me?

A highlight at Hoonigan was when we did a space race at TSS versus Hertz JZX.

And I smoked him in that thing.

Because he just didn't know that it was going to be fast.

Hertz never going to listen to this.

But I hope that someone just clips that out and sends it to him.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then he'll be so annoyed.

But then he was annoyed.

But then I did donuts in it and he was like, I didn't know this.

He said to me, I didn't know this could do cool things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, I didn't know it could do cool things.

Yeah.

You guys drive anything cool today?

I mean, we had a whole conversation earlier about how you have to drive the cool car.

It's it's California.

There's no reason not to.

What'd you drive?

I drove my daily driver, Lancia Delta Integralli.

Is it really your daily?

Because everything I see you on the daily for you, you drive in the Lexus.

I'm just saying.

All right, true.

I don't know.

I think our crew.

I think our crew drives most of our fun cars pretty much every day.

I drive it as much as humanly possible.

I have a lot of seat time in it.

What did you bring today?

I brought an oddball one that I think you'll like.

I drove my dad's 1970 Chevelle, which I'm doing like a full rehab on.

This is one of my favorite builds that you're doing just because it's such a like feel good.

Dude, you're like a muscle car, dude.

I grew up really well.

I grew up loving this car because it's what my dad's always wanted.

I shipped it out to California a couple months ago, and I did not drive it a single mile

because it looked so goofy.

But now I redid the whole chassis and it's like slammed a good fit.

Yeah.

Like wheel and tire package and I've been driving it a ton.

Does it make you want to buy another muscle car?

No.

Really?

No.

I love muscle car, Vinny or muscle truck Vinny.

It's the space thing.

If I had space for another car, I'd get another Patina like muscle car,

just to fart around town, like driving to the shop.

Cool.

Otherwise I like sports cars.

It's such a niche thing because a sports car, you'll cruise, you'll take to the mountains,

you could take to a track day where this is like its only purpose is block cruising.

Like muscle cars to me are like, I didn't even like being on the freeway on it.

Yeah.

Bro, you remember that freeway run you and I did?

Yeah, dude.

We must have probably did like a, we did.

We were revving it out.

We probably did a 40 to 66 pull.

It was like 13 seconds, but.

It was sick.

I mean that one Altima passed us, but like, yeah.

And then the cop passed us too.

Is this a power tour?

No, it was like going to get tacos.

C10 vs. Nova, pre.

Pre, every big motor in the Nova.

When I just had a beat up 454.

He had a 454.

I had a 468.

It was so much noise.

Combined.

We probably made 400 wheel rolling thunder and basically at the speed of like, I don't know.

Traffic.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

A lot of noise though.

Yeah.

70 Chevelle though, man.

It's so sick.

I love muscle cards though.

They're so cool.

It's really, it's cherry too.

Oh, boys.

Well, hey, nice to have you guys on.

Great to be here, man.

Yeah, yeah.

Good to chat.

Now the next one with the boys.

I feel like the next one though, it's like this was a, this was a memory lane one.

I feel like next time we got it, we leave that all in the past.

It's got to be like new shit.

You know, you know what you owe some people from my audience is the pod we said we'd do about your CQ.

We could keep going right now.

No, I actually, you had to be home literally an hour ago.

I told you that yesterday.

We started early and we still blew it.

All right.

Let's, let's wrap it up.

Let's wrap it up again.

Want to thank all of the partners.

You guys don't even know a bunch of partners.

Dude, congrats on getting partners.

Yeah.

Heatwave is definitely one of them.

Heatwave does some really cool stuff.

FCP Euro, Viper.

I'm actually sitting on a Viper chair right now.

They're building next time you guys come.

You won't have these crappy Eames, Herman Miller, Aeron chairs.

You will be able to sit on a nice.

We have a Viper chair.

Well, it's Vin's Viper chair in our shop.

Yeah.

It's great.

You have the big butt.

No, I got a small, I got a small butt though.

It's the most seat time I have of anything.

Dude, I don't even get up.

Like most times I like will literally go from the toolbox to like the other side of the car.

But we'll have conversations and I'm just doing donuts in it.

The Viper chair is sick.

It's got to, I honestly think they need to start like putting shittier bearings in their wheels

because they like roll too good.

Yeah.

You know, or like a handbrake.

You just start kind of drifting away while you're scrolling and all of a sudden you're

on the other side of the shop.

Dude, my garage isn't even.

I have to like wheelchock it because it like will just roll too much.

They're also like a great group of dudes.

I just like them.

Like they're like, they were fun when they went during the Hoonigan days.

But even now, like when I talked to them, like they're just stoked.

Yeah.

It's like cool to like work with people.

I mean, it's like I said about FCP Euros.

Like I did my Mark II GTI build there and I was like, it felt like being at old Hoonigan.

I was like, it's just a group of like good dudes and girls like hanging out doing something

they love and like doing cool stuff.

And like that is such an important part of it all, you know, because it's like,

I want to support companies that are just like people like me doing crap.

Well, and not only that, but I mean, FCP did facilitate the greatest trip that I feel

Yeah.

the three of us ever had.

Oh yeah.

Carcane abroad.

Carcane abroad was cool.

And then heat wave.

I mean, Justin is a.

Oh my god.

Justin is living the life I thought I was going to live.

Beast of a driver.

You know, he's such a sick lineup.

Has weird cars, which has weird cars, but sick cars.

He's got a trans and with a sequential track days and old NASCAR.

Specmiata.

Specmiata has a GT3RS sick house.

Like he's just Justin rules, bro.

And all he does is like post videos of him trying to land RC planes in his pool.

He doesn't get a RCC plane and he tries to land it in his pool.

His life is his life.

His goals.

Absolutely.

It's pretty sick.

I knew we've known them since like the beginning.

So it's really cool.

They've always supported us.

Yeah.

And those dude, he pulled one of the coolest things that ever happened at this versus that,

which he knew he was going to lose.

So he, we, we offered him cars and instead of taking cars, he said Le Mans.

Le Mans start.

That was, that was, that was epic.

Like he added an athletic element to it.

And it was, and he clearly had practiced it because he was so smooth through the window.

Our reaction.

I remember it's like the universal.

Ooh.

Yeah.

It was like how about a Le Mans start?

We were like, oh, yeah.

Oh, that was a good one.

How have we never thought about it?

Yeah.

That was like, I was like kind of mad.

Like, oh, that was a good idea.

Why didn't we think of that?

Insane.

We're just there dragging our knuckles.

And then lastly, good, good, good roundup.

Oh, and also lastly, Toyo tires.

Um, Toyo has been giving me, I thought about this the other day.

Toyo has been giving me tires for cars that don't run.

Since I bought my Kuquatra.

That's honestly, they gave me the first set of our triple eights.

Not our triple eight, our triple eights.

Like they just came out and they sent them to me

and they have been flat spotted for 20-some-odd years.

This is when you find out that you've actually

been their long-term tire tester.

They're like, we need to see how long tires will take

to dry rod in the wild with new tread.

And you're out there doing product testing.

In the field flat spot testing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So big, big shout out.

I got on my trucks, my cars.

Yeah, you've been Toyo forever.

So anyway guys, thanks again.

And I think it's time to cue the outro song.

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