LC500 for 1100 miles; Hydrogen Lawsuit; Kitten rescue

What's up, everybody? Welcome to The Smoking Tire Podcast. On today's episode, I go a thousand miles in Alexis, LC500. Also, we rescue kittens out of a tree. And a bunch of people are suing Toyota because they're hydrogen cars. Kind of suck. It's a good one. And Zach and I are back in studio. For The Smoking Tire Podcast, let's get to it.

400 milligrams. Yeah, but when you're it's so easy to do that. Like, I woke up really early. And I had a cup in my hotel room. And then Ali and I went to breakfast at the diner. And I had a cup. Yeah. And then I was leaving for the drive. And so I had my pink Porsche cup. And I asked the diner to fill that. Right. Then I filled that and drank that. And then when I stopped, I really had to piss. But the bathroom was all you got to buy something. Okay. And so I.

Refilled it. And then I drank it again. And then I think that was it. I think you just, you hit a point where you have to, you, you have to consciously pay attention to caffeine. Even you take in. Yeah. Cause I knew this last year, like, no, like I was 3 p.m. Yeah. I want to. I shouldn't. I knew it. Like two years ago, I learned that, you know, I learned that last five years ago. And then it slowly slipped. Yeah. And I didn't, I haven't had to really learn it.

Again, like, yeah. It fucking was really bad. Yeah. It was really bad. Hannah was really, Hannah was like, turn your location, sharing on right now. She was like, and I need to know, like exactly where you are. Exactly. And she's like, and then you get there. You need to go inside and you need to tell the lady behind the fucking counter. What's happening, which I did in front of people like the hotel. No, at the fucking gas station. I stopped at. Hmm. Hey, why did you tell me when I was having a fucking panic of that? She's like, because if you're really having a heart attack. Right. She's like, you

need to know. That's a good point. Wow. And I like it. In front of people had to say to like a fucking shell gas station attendant, man, I pulled in here because I was not feeling well and having chest pains. And even though it kills my ego, my wife insists that I tell you that I'm going to sit on the porch and drink water for as long as it takes for me to not feel like this anymore. And would you please check on me? Yeah. How many times you think she checked on me in the next 60 minutes? 60 minutes? Yeah. Zero.

Zero. Zero. Zero is the right answer. Yeah, she looked at the window. She was like, I get to name them wage. Yeah. For those of you just joining us now. Welcome to the program. I was in the middle of describing massive panic attack. I had wild driving to Zach and how you never want that to happen to you. Yeah. If it has happened to you, it's really bad. It is. And if it's happened to you, particularly while driving. And you know,

anyone that has had a heart attack and died wall driving, then it's really bad. That guy, like two weeks ago, three weeks ago, you see that? Do you see that? No, our buddy, our buddy Paul Kramer auto cannell, shout out to him. One of the good ones. When it comes to car dealers, not a lot of people get the one of the good ones batch. Paul Kramer auto cannell, one of the good ones. I wasn't there. He was on a dry rally. A road rally up north. I think it was up north, old 911s. And older.

Or guy driving solo had a hard attack, a massive heart attack while driving. Whoa. And, you know, crashed. And the doctors said the heart attack killed him before the crash. Later, it was said that he was dead. No, no, that's not true. I think he either died in the ambulance or at the hospital. But it was not. I don't think the crash to kill them. I think it was the heart attack. But still, I think Paul did CPR on him, to be honest with you.

It was a crazy thing to know. Larry and I did CPR on somebody that had a heart attack while driving and crashed into the telephone pole in front of our shop in Harrison. When Larry and I had the power wash, our first business, we heard, we heard a revving of an engine, followed by a full throttle crash into a telephone pole. It was like a 92 two door blazer, the square one, the pole was in that motherfucker.

And the dude was on the steering wheel foot to the floor. And me and Larry dragged this dude out of the truck. And I think I did chest compressions and he did CPR. I think I don't think I don't think I gave mouth to mouth. The guy I think Larry actually did. And, and he was alive when he got in the ambulance, but he did ultimately died. Jesus. Yeah, I was fucking scary. And then.

Like actually, shit, they might have called it on the ground. I'm not sure if he actually got a lot. Either way, it was very sad and very crazy. And the weirdest thing about it, by far, I mean, because someone dying is tragic, but not like weird.

Five minutes after the ambulance left, there's a mother with a stroller and a baby and a dog and a stop right on the spot where the guy was and just have a normal mother baby puppy interaction.

And like, and I'm not trying to say the guy's soul, right? I'm saying like on that spot, five minutes later, life went on. Right.

Like, and also new life was happening. No, yeah, yes, but like, but it was still like, I know, like, you know, if you told that mother, like, hey, 30 seconds ago, there was like a dead guy right there.

Like, that would probably bug her the fuck out, too. But like, sometimes it's better that we don't know things. Yeah. And if that kid drops a crack on the ground, she's not doing five second rule.

Straight up. Yeah. Yeah, life has to go on. It's weird. So anyway, those stories in mind was what was going on in my head that started the deeper level two of the downward spiral.

Right. It was the caffeine-induced panic attack while driving. Yeah, the body can influence the mind and then it goes in a circle. Yeah. And then the mind goes back to the body. Right.

You know what happened while I called Hannah to tell her this was going on and that I was going to stop at the next place, but she wanted to talk the whole way, which was actually a good idea.

Because I started to feel better. And then when I hung up the phone and didn't have her to distract me, I felt worse. Right.

But actually my body made my left arm hurt, which is what would happen if you were having a heart attack.

What? It's also what happens if you drive 1100 miles in four days because you're holding the wheel right handed. Yeah, like a shoulder.

So actually this muscle here is like is sore from doing that amount of driving. So like, but but the spiral continues. Right. So like.

That's the word I can't terrible terrible. Yeah, really terrible. Yeah. And getting back in the car was hard. And I had six hours to go when I got back in the car.

What day was this yesterday? This was Saturday. Can you drive back? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's fucking shitty, man. Panning attacks are the worst. I really. Yeah. You needed to call friends to distract you for the drive.

Well, I mean, fortunately, I have a, you know, a loving wife. Right. I was saying I was the whole way. Yeah. The whole way. No. After I sat at the gas station for one hour.

And I set timers every 15 minutes because I was like, you know, time is like a different thing when you're having a panic attack.

I don't want an Italy too. It was terrible.

From humidity and being like sweaty. Did you set a timer? So alarm one off every 15. I set a timer. So I wouldn't look at my phone or anything.

You know, I had a book. So I would read. I read the book for, you know, 15 minutes. I wouldn't look at the time. I knew it would tell me.

And if I didn't, it took four of those before I was like, okay, it wasn't even like, okay, I feel better.

It was okay. This isn't an actual heart attack. Right. Meanwhile, by the way, the whole time this is going on my heart rate. What do you think it was?

106. 64. What? 64 beats per minute. Oh, I checked it like every five minutes.

Well, then you're totally. I'm not absolutely not having heart attack. Yeah. Not only that, my cholesterol back. It's really good.

But you also didn't even have an elevated heart rate. Like it wasn't even 90 where you're anxious and it's going like this.

Huh? And that nuts. That's 100% mental. And I made pains happen. I made like symptoms happen. I made all that happen with my mind.

Isn't that fucking crazy? Yeah. And my heart didn't even buy it. My brain was such a bad liar to my heart.

Power of it. That's why. Yeah. Heart and buy it. It's amazing that your heart rate wasn't actually up though. No, and I have a very low resting heart rate.

Like naturally, you know, it was way up though. It was my blood pressure. So that's weird. I don't know. Some doctor right now. Don't worry.

Yeah. No, I know you do. I'm not here. I'm like trying to remember the, you know, the wilderness medicine book. I read it was like three pages, but the heart section was like, I read it.

I went, I got to read this at least two more times. Yeah. There's a reason there's doctor. And in that book, there's like a whole chapter about how panic attacks and heart attacks

and diagnosing heart attacks is very difficult, even if you're at a hospital, like, yeah, without having actual medical equipment. It's a story.

Exactly. So it's like being in the field and trying to do this. The book's like, forget it. Just extract somebody. Yeah.

So tough day on Saturday. Wow. All that in a nine hour drive. But you know what? Sue's nervousness like this. The LC 500. It's a great car. It's a great commercial. It's a great car.

I mean, yeah, I guess we could talk about that. That I did. I mean, I did 1100 miles, 1100 and something miles drove to San Francisco. Did the entire seaside to Sierra road and track experiences route. It's

fucking awesome. Shout out to a fan named Steve who turned me on to Wentworth Springs Road east of Sacramento out in those mountains, because fuck me. That one was a banger.

We're going to do that one on the road. Barry S a road looks fabulous. There was like all kind. There was like the burned out trees from five years ago with like beautiful golden, you know, wildflower blooms happening.

Pretty kick ass drive, if I'm honest, it's cool. And never been you're going to grass Valley in Northern California. I don't know. I have to look at a cool really cool old mining town stayed in a hotel for the event.

We're staying in it called the Holbrook Hotel. And it's from like 1850. But like a really cool walkable town. And they actually just they just their main street in the middle of town.

They just banned cars. No way. If you go to the Google Street view of like I think it's called Mill Street. It shows cars and parking spaces. But I was just there. And like cars aren't allowed there. And it's this like delightfully popping off like pedestrian mall.

On main right here. It's not main. No, it's called Mill Street. It's like in the middle of town. Like.

Just look up hotel Holbrook. It's across. There it is. There's and the quick hotels down there. The middle one.

And yeah, they bought an ad and it's working for us. Where are you? There you are. So it's across that little street. Mill Street right here. Yeah, if you street view that, it'll show cars.

But it's it's actually a pedestrian street now. This town is a really cool little town. See that turned right. Now imagine that without the cars.

Oh, that's all this old time. Really 1900s architecture. Yeah, gold rush stuff. Yeah, cool. There's a lot of these towns like one of them starts an A that's basically had to stay in those before when our scout broke down on the way to Tahoe.

So I'm familiar with the architecture, but we also did the gold painting thing once one summer. That was fun. That's when you're a kid. That's all right. Amazing. Yeah, I got some gold at Delanaga, Georgia. That's where they do it. North of Atlanta.

We found no gold and I ended up buying like the little vile, you know, pie overpriced whatever got nugs. But man, these roads. These are fucking good. The roads going in and out of Tahoe. Fabulous.

The roads going across Napa from between San Francisco and there. That's going to be we got four banger hotels. This one's going to be really nice. And I tried, I tried to make a new section of route to avoid using. I don't like reusing routes.

And we did an event in 2022. And we had to get like kind of similar places. And I was like, I need to find a new route because we did this and I and I did it. And it was terrible.

Oh no. So if specifically anyone who was on the 2022 route versus this is going to have to drive about 36 miles of the same road we drove three years ago. That's not out of how many miles though. Total like 600.

All right, percentage wise, that's not bad. Yeah, yeah, it's not bad. Cool. I try to not do it. What's unavoidable? I was about to ask like how often have you scouted something and you go, actually this won't work. We need to find alternate every single time I do a scout. I either hit.

Another one, Ali and I, Ali came with his green car, which was a lot of fun. And he's from that area. So he knows like all kinds of good stuff about it was very helpful.

But you know, when I'm doing Google Street View, I'm not, I'm not every hundred yards of tarmac for 500 miles. I look at sections that look up and I make assumptions. And then you drive it and you go, oh shit.

There's a half a mile of gravel for no reason in the middle of this road. And that happened. So yeah, like the road is great. The road is great. The road is great. And then there's no road. Half a mile of gravel. Actually, it was like up over a levee. There's like these levees up there. So it's up over this big levee. It's gravel. And then it turns into pavement again. But like we, I don't think people will appreciate that.

Oh, okay. Even street car was fine with it. But I mean, you know, most people won't mind. You know, at a 25 cars, two people will be super annoyed that they paid money and had to drive on gravel.

It's like that's life. That's how of course it is. That's like that's it's people. I just think in like half a mile and you're like, all you have to do is go over this levee. It's kind of cool. This is where the trucks come and bring whatever the hell. And it doesn't. It won't damage wheels and stuff.

But a half a mile, you know, at five, five to ten miles an hour. That's a long time for folks to like stew about how dirty. That's a good point. You know, their car is getting or whatever. Yeah, the dust trail. Yeah, that's a good 10 minutes.

It's it's it's long enough for you go. It's this. It's not all it's a half a mile. Like I clocked it. It's a half a mile. But like, it's a long half a mile. It's more than like a Billy Joel song. You know, on the radio. Okay.

Yeah, it's multiple songs. So yeah, what are you going to do? Right. I had to move the road. It's okay. It was the road wasn't good enough that it was like, it's not like I threw away big to hung up because they're right.

Tell me about it. I threw away an average road and picked up different average, you know, they can't all be super bangers and like, you know, a third of one of the days is like farm road straight transit.

Like, well, you know, what are you going to do? You have to get to this town. But sometimes if it's just if it's 600 miles of twistiness, even that can get like monotonous unless you're, you know, at some point, you just go like, go, highway for an hour, rest your brain.

No, you're right. And then you can get back on a twisty thing. You're totally right. And there is there is such a thing as like too much twisty.

We are going to get close on this one because the drive from grass valley to Tahoe.

We're making it a two-stopper because like, there's a bit where it's like a full hour of like hardcore canyons. And it's awesome.

It's like for most people, even for me, it's like probably top four or five roads. I've driven in the country in this country. Yeah, like, it's awesome.

And by the way, I'm not calling like the three that we use. That's not three. I'm talking like this is this is we got some serious road on this one. But it's it's a lot. But like, there's just nothing. There's nowhere to stop.

So you go from this end of it to this end of it. And then and there's a stop literally at each end. But there's it's just pretty hardcore in between.

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And now back to the show is so it's so funny it's other cars since the Lexus LC 500 came out which I think was like 17 or 18 and I haven't driven one. We had a can the yellow a yellow convertible.

Wow but it was like six years ago right. So having driven one sense and they they made some like nuanced suspension tweaks and like chat they change the strut tower bracing and you know this and that they it's got a touch screen now.

The interface is like incredibly basic like a like a Toyota but like usable which is like better than was before with the touch pad.

So it's fine it's just like it's fine but it's crazy how and this happened with the Nissan GT are also how this car has now become the analog choice.

Dude compared to an SL compared to a any GT car at on the road at any price this is more analog the steering feels more analog the it's a naturally aspirated V8 with a with an eight speed gearbox that's not bad but it's not you know it's a little bit of an older school design.

And it makes a sound that cars don't make anymore it has a power band that cars don't have anymore it's hilarious how much you need to rev the shit out of this thing to get any power.

Consequently you can't fucking drive it in automatic it's like it's bad you can put it around town and drive.

If you try to go like a medium pace on a medium road or a highway over mountains like like I 70 in Colorado or this thing is like it's picking a new gear every two seconds because the power band is up here.

Meanwhile manual mode you know it's an eight speed just go click click and it's and sit in five and in five like it's fine.

Right right right when you tell it what to do it's beautifully responsive and balanced and fun.

But it's got that programming for max MPG.

What is on its own it has no idea what to do.

If so you got to you got to be like want to use the battleshifters.

And if you do it's it's pretty good in that but it's got a very nice balance with the PS5S tires it's got a bunch of grip if the traction control sucks.

That is some some garbage mid two thousands era traction control.

But if you fully turn it off in hair pins you can get a beautifully balanced bit of oversteer.

That's just really really nice.

Is it eight speed or ten speed? Lexus says ten.

Is it ten?

Direct shift automatic ten speed. I mean that's some even more gears which is probably why I think so much.

Whenever I drove it in any mode that showed a gear indicator on the screen it never went over eight and I can't imagine that there's more ratios.

The thing would be like idling even at speed I can't really unless this is for the hybrid.

That can't be right. I think I think it's the eight speed that it's always had. I don't think it has some.

It's actually it's kind of funny it's kind of like in a lot of ways it's like a really fancy Mustang.

I mean it has a similar it has the same displacement engine with very similar power it makes a similar sound.

You know the it has an automatic it's just like like the Mustang's automatic a torque converter based auto.

It's kind of similar sized in terms of a footprint to a Mustang.

It's obviously much better looking it's much better built it's much tighter.

That's the is that the updated car or something?

Am I driving a I don't have the key on me am I driving a 24 is there something new?

Five liter V8 it's tends to be a direct shift. Maybe I'm wrong.

I will before I'm writing this for road and track I haven't I haven't actually researched.

Sure no I'm and I know that you always want to be accurate so I'm pulling it out.

I don't know but I never saw a number on the gauge higher than eight.

Imagine imagine if it has a 10 speed but the transmission software is so optimized for MPG.

It never uses nine and ten.

That was the ratio.

Is there actually two fucking four or a boros of transmission technology.

That would be really funny.

No actually one of the things I think about the transmission is that it would be better for enthusiasts not necessarily if it had fewer gears.

But if it held individual gears longer and it didn't like it will do like a double downshift a lot.

It's not like it doesn't need to do that.

Well does it go ten to eight or eight to six or does it go eight seven six.

Sometimes sometimes both.

Okay.

Sometimes it doubles.

I like the skip though.

I don't want to.

I like the skip if it's smooth.

If it's smooth it's good.

It was much much better.

If the road got the least bit twisty or the least bit hilly I put that motherfucker in manual and I kept it there.

Having said that and I've told Lexus about this.

Ali was following me and he said to me multiple times I smell transmission fluid from your car.

Now everything seemed okay.

But.

And this is a my my butt and my hands this isn't science they're picking up the car tomorrow.

I said when you take the car back I think you should maybe check the transmission because of what Ali said about the smell.

And I feel and I have no evidence but I feel that over my loan the shift's got a little rougher.

And and and and I just it doesn't feel like it's shifting like a hundred and twenty thousand dollar car should be shifting.

So I don't I don't have a diagnosis but it might not have an issue or a burned or leaked transmission fluid or something.

Pretty low-mile car three thousand mile car four thousand now but.

So I I do want to like restrain a little bit about the transmission too much but like even at the beginning it's an old school you know designed it goes all the way back to the ISF really.

But god damn what a nice car.

How is suspension the last time I drove one of these at distance we had one on drive years ago and I remember I drove it back from our track shoot I drove like 400 miles

through like death Valley whatever canians at night but I just remember it feeling very soft.

You know it we're doing a seven tenths eight tenths transit but I was like we sing is awesome but it leans a lot.

So it's better it it has a little body roll but you know it's adaptive shocks you know there's so to put it this way there are some cars where you never put the shocks in sport right my Porsche never.

Most Mercedes you never want to put the shock because they're too stiff right and like you really want comfort this car sports shocks like in this car I would do sports shocks in less the road was particularly bumpy so yeah it's set up soft it's set up to be a daily drive car sport is Porsche is normal pretty much got it yeah yeah but it's incredibly charming especially if you pull up the picture from my Instagram this sort of copper car.

It is it's really fabulous color I mean I especially I'm driving around with Ali's mint green 9.11 Targa and I'm in this copper like rose gold colored thing we got stopped and shattered a bunch.

L.C. is sweet oh it's it's so nice and like you know it's here's what's great about I did so many I did four nine hour driving days in a row normally like if I was going to do that kind of driving like if I'm driving a sports car like my body will be pretty fucked up and if I'm driving like a Bentley it won't be.

And the L.C. is a much simpler it's much more like a Mustang than it is like a Bentley right yeah of course the seats have forward back up down Lumbar and they have heating and cooling but as far as like they don't have any of those advanced adjustments it's not an 18 way seat it's probably an eight way seat.

Fine to shape the right way yeah it doesn't need to be fancy it's just made right yeah aside from this potential baby transmission leak the build quality exceptional not a fucking squeak not a rattle not a not a nothing everything fits exactly right I drove something the other day what did I drive this at a thousand miles basically brand new so I would not expect you but you got something recently that was.

New and I drove I drove a brand new car recently where the fucking door fit of the left and the right were completely different and now I can't remember what it was what was it I can't believe

you rented a test land it was something where I was pretty horrified at the difference in the panel gaps I'll remember it at a time that it's like much later okay it was it was pretty

horrifying though but like yeah no of course it's but it's it's much closer to the price of a Mustang then a Bentley but it's much it's it's got enough of that what you what you want out of a Bentley which is just I got to do so many hours in this thing and I want it to be really comfortable

and it and it just is but if it's time to go quick you're going quick like you can go real quick in this car it's not a

470 horsepower that's enough but you got to sing the fuck out of this motor though it has nothing below 4 grand nothing and and with the the the normal economy tune of

the transmission it never wants to shift past like three and so you have to press the pedal to the fucking floor and then it just

zings the thing to the moon and it gets all confused so in manual mode you can do a really good job of man what yeah Max torque is at 4800 yeah it's way up

the max power 7100 but Max that's like my car yeah that's way up there yeah for a big GT yeah you know that way is 4,000 pounds that's like I do have to say I I know we've

seen actually Johnny got some spy video you see that was Graham Johnny caught the replacement for this car testing on

Angeles crest oh someone asked about that okay yeah I just I all I saw was his video but like you know full disclosure Zach and I were

hired by an independent research company to give our opinions on a future luxury product for a high-end Japanese

automaker and you know we all kind of know what this thing is going to be right it's going to be twin turbo probably all

we'll drive probably hybrid it's going to be super fast but it's going to be the evolution of this here's an interesting trivia for

you at what RPM do you think a 2024 Mustang GT makes its maximum torque and horsepower folks we got to take one more

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mm-hmm may I have the red line Bob the red line can I photo friend okay I don't need the red line

I'll I'll I'll say that the Mustang GT makes Pete's red line is 7,500 okay peak torque 3,800 peak power

7,000 peak torque this is from the drive.com but peak torque is 4,900 oh wow higher than the LC wild

but close right 4,800 4,900 isn't the LC 400 it is no they're close you said 38 and uh

peak power is 7,150 oh so I'm telling you these sound like Mustangs too when they go through

the game really sound the firing order might be the same they sound like Mustangs but like just

with a little more a little more tightness to them everything you can you can feel the tightness

in the powertrain that I don't get from a Mustang it's not just shit on a Mustang this is double

the price but like that's where like if I say it feels like a Mustang and you go well why would I pay

the extra it's for that bit of oh I would tie extra in a moment yeah but I also it'll be cool to see

the underside of these and how the the Mustang exhaust is routed and how that changes the pulses

because they they sound very similar at low rpm yeah and they change a little bit the higher rpm yeah

there's a there's a big change in sound with this Lexus engine when it comes on camp it's a

it's a it's a pretty hard line and when it happens you get a ton of almost E46 M3 like intake

which you don't get so much in the Mustang but hey shout out to Ford for even making that a

comparison but great trunk and you know tons of room tons of tons of comfort and and

I'll get back to you on the if that transmission was messing up but either way I mean I honestly

I definitely endorse this product this is a fucking great car for the money and like

a couple of our fans DMed or whatever like they bought them when they were like new when they

first came out and have had them and they're like yeah no no major issues very good very good cars

if I could justify owning a grand touring luxury coupe beyond the one I have like this is the

thing to do yeah yeah yeah you can't you can't lie to yourself and say this is a track car in

any way which you can do it at three so that's why it's a Lee it would be very comfortable daily

yeah it could be a daily carry two people all that stuff it has a back seat oh the dog you can

put you could put Tucker in the back seat okay all right yeah and and some important things are

analog the temperature controls are levers there's a scroly wheel for volume a scroly wheel to

scroll through tracks on the radio there's yeah there's the there are buttons on the steering

wheel but their real buttons not haptic the it's it is clearly like an aging car but it's still like

great and some of the things about it that are like kind of old like we sort of still kind of want

because you can't really get them anywhere else anymore but you can still get them here you know

this is like like I bought my spider because I was like it's a brand new car but like it's like an

old car right stick key manual top strap pulls like that's like an old car like this is kind of like

what a Mercedes SL or a BMW M8 or whatever was like eight years ago but it has none of the problems

you've mentioned with the Ferrari Romeo yeah no different price point but Ferrari because they have to

be at the pinnacle of technology and charge more money they go let's put haptic buttons everywhere

and they they order those products from their suppliers and then everyone starts testing them say

that we hate these and they go fuck we have six more years of this you know that was it it was the

Roma both wagon did it but where the panel gap on the left side on the right side were wildly different

oh really yeah yeah that was it thank you for showing me that picture I knew the second someone showed

me my Instagram feed that it would be there yeah that it was the Roma got it yeah that didn't take

very long but really but then here's the thing here's the thing Zach then we got to trucky

just a place that I is new to me I have spent a lot of time in trucky what a lovely town so good

I'm into it snowstorm hits there I'm in the summer trucky too summer trucky was very nice

we stayed in a really cool hotel shout out to gravity house the guy working there was a fan

and really helped me find a place that for this event to do some potential off-roading which is

fucking cool hold on before you're saying that the group wouldn't want to drive half a mile

and gravel not in their own cars okay yeah I don't want to give more details because it's not a

finalized thing okay a potential sponsor potentially would want to show off the off-road product good

add-on all right yeah it would be a good fun at it um but oh shit oh but Ali was like I want to

show you around trucky and we took his car I got it and I went oh fuck me nine eleven targets in

the past yeah I was like sure which what season is he have 18 white 18 ways they might they might

well they might be for it 14 but what comfort comfort seats stick shift and he's got you know the

roof tune and the whatever I forget who's what exhaust it is but when he was in front I was just

hearing like his car sounds amazing it's just like fucking tuner turbo noises and it sounds great no

burble no fake burble tune just all spooly noises fabulous cool yeah so come drive with me in September

if you want it's gonna be a really good time foods can be great wines can be great roads are fucking

great I'm I got a V8 vantage booked for that event that'll be aces and yeah we're gonna have

great weather it's not gonna be like a thousand degrees it'll be a good time do you want to talk

about the kittens that I found yeah found kittens in the tree it literally in a tree so they weren't

so Hannah and her friend were going for a walk in our neighborhood okay and the Hannah's friend

is a dog and it's a very friendly dog and and most of the time it does not need to be on a leash

it's a very well-trained and friendly dog but they're they're walking in all of a sudden dog fucking

runs and goes around a corner and it has chased these little tiny kittens that are now up a tree

fuck so they come back to the house and Hannah's like these there's kittens they're in a tree and

so you grab your cape grab the cape I go back we go back and they Hannah thought there were two there

was actually three two tortes which is the black and brown and then a gray torte mix all girls

so they're up the tree like 15 feet and we don't know what to do I don't own a ladder that tall

and so I was like okay I'm gonna stay here Hannah you go back to the house and get some kitten food

which we always keep on hand you never know get some kid food wait a different than snacks

you have a lot of cat snacks we have a lot of cat snacks well there there's always there's

always left there's always a point at which the kitten is no longer a kitten right okay and there's

some leftover kitten food so it's just there um and so we bring she brings back the kitten food

and obviously these cats like first while she's gone I go I can't believe me to do this but I call

my local fire station and I go hey man can't believe me making this call but it's 1950 there's a

cat in the tree there's three kittens click and I am really yeah click I'm clicked so okay that's

no longer an option shout out to you guys I don't want to I don't want to fucking shit on them not

because I don't think they should be shit on but like because it's the name of the place where I

wonder if there was an era where that was something they frequently responded to or if it's just like

comics made us think that and it's just the prep the stereotype that's lived on and fight

apart I'm like whoever put that story out there Marma do sure fuck yourself sure for decades you know

and maybe I deserve that but like you know I had no other ideas sure but when she came back with the

food they started to make their way down the tree on their own when I opened the food and put it

out so food works um and they started trying to come down and the first one like eight feet from

the ground like fell on the ground was like oh shit I got it put next the food there she was okay

and then I managed to like get the other ones like to sort of jumping height and like you

winked them off the tree and uh they ate and they instantly liked me um we became friends right away

and I was like I can't have seven cats this is too much you pussy no pun intended can't have seven

cats but uh but they they were they were they really were very social and very happy to be fed

they ate so much uh and Hannah got the carrier and we there were some neighbors across the street

so we talked to them is oh well you know another friend friend oh and so she called over her

other friend who also lives in our neighborhood and the other friend agreed to

take them in the immediate need um and so these photos are of the friend's house and they're like

around the corner from us um and I I posted this on instagram I got sadly I got about 10 inquiries

for the gray girl and none for the tortes which is very very sad a because tortes are beautiful

and be because tortes are fucking beautiful yeah it's um people are weird people are really weird uh

I and I think I did the tortes at disservice if you go to the last photo the the gray kid

those hand shoes it's one to linger on that for people all right but yeah I want to see my wife's

feet in shoes the gray I mean look they're they're all very adorable um but keep going the last

photo is of the the the gray one which is hit in a perfect sunbeam in like portrait mode and it

makes her look like a little angel yeah yeah and this one is the tortes like on the sidewalk

looking down yeah right so we need a photo shoot I didn't do a photo shoot but it's okay I think

and I don't I want a little noxie would uh Michael T. O. Van Runkle automotive journalist uh he

writes for the drive he's got a very funny name you'd fucking know it if you saw it I think

that seven o'clock tonight he's adopting all three wow which is like gold mine because a

this keeping them together was like the number one priority actually keeping them safe excuse me

as the number one priority keeping them together is the number two priority and I and and this is

a person who I know personally and has a lot of experience owning cats um you know you really you

can't just like give cats to people off the internet so um you know a lot of there's still a I

still have a backup list in case for some reason but I think this is an optimal situation

for a variety of reasons his experience his taking all three and he lives close by which means

I could visit potentially and be an uncle to these kittens um but even though almost everybody who

inquired just inquired about the gray one I still appreciate you so thanks for that so

rescued a few kittens nice that's pretty nice that's super cool yeah and they are they're

they're all so sweet this was yesterday wow all right well that's a nice busy weekend

so you have no doubt about the exact super long panic attack of driving you're like oh I get

to rescue some kittens right exactly um what about you you were driving uh this Mazda CX 50 for

the weekend I didn't I didn't get all the specs on it yet so like okay we'll save that but I

will say like quickly it's got a lot of analog controls which is very nice seats are very comfortable

they do that very well there's some things it didn't do great like accelerate accelerate is part of

Mazda doesn't do that um the color was interesting and the biggest glaring thing is the ride makes no

sense to me the thing has wild peak off-road tires and it's this strange sand color cars are coming

different colors sure this is just an interesting choice um so it looks like the off-road outback wilderness

thing it rides like it has KWV3s on it what it is stiff it's proper stiff and someone DME they own

one they've had it for a year and they said hey it feels like it's kind of stiff on sharp edges and

cracks is that your uh your assessment as well it's definitely yeah I mean around this town

it feels quite sporty very it which doesn't make sense given the tire choice given the aesthetics

of it whatever so if you live in a place with smooth mountain roads it's sure great but off-road would

not be very good choice so I was a little confused by that yeah yeah that is a confusing choice

yeah weird okay uh we can expect uh yeah we'll do yeah we'll talk about the next show I just

want to get all the like the numbers of the competitors and do you want to talk about the hydrogen

thing yeah we can talk about the hydrogen thing um so the short version is that a bunch of owners

have gotten together to sue Toyota over the hydrogen mirror eye um I now I read the the web page of the

of the law firm that is conducting this uh it's called Jason Ingber calm Jason Ingber's the lawyer

and in this description this was updated in April they were going to do a class action they have

since changed it to individual suits oh that's like uh Hannah's Twitter thing oh really yeah Hannah's

Twitter uh she was truck you know they were good talking about suing a class action yeah but it's

individual and there's like her the lawyer that representing Hannah has 2,000 individual cases

it Hannah's was like number 130 I was like see look this is gonna take a long time yeah the list

of plaintiffs here yeah each of these lines has multiple names at least two of them and there's like

30 lines shown yeah looks like some Ellis island shit actually each of these is 20 so this is like

100 names okay um and there's a but so they list a bunch of reasons they say that the cars were

having problems I think it's really built around salesman pushing the Mariah while not informing

customers of the fueling issues the meaning shortages of fuel at stations lack of stations the nozzle

freezing to the car yeah which then you can't get it off until it warms back up again um and

people reporting what I experienced which is you can only fill up your car a fifth of the way and

then you have to move on from the station and that is wait why why was that so this is probably a

problem of misinformation um this is what I was told to back up I got a Mariah press car a few

years ago and uh if you saw my reel I got stuck overnight yeah uh at this gas station doesn't smell bad

fortunately fortunately it's in the Central Valley of California off of the five there is one

hydrogen station and if that hydrogen station is out of fuel you stay the night at that hotel which

is what I had to do um and other next to a fucking is next I had a rattling so it smells bad

for 15 seconds and then you eat an overpriced steak which is ironic because it's right next to

the cattle station um and people that were in line were saying yeah sometimes I can only fill up

a quarter tank in the tank and the pump clicks off and I don't understand why the man who delivered the

hydrogen to the station explained that the way the system works is there's a giant tank of hydrogen

somewhere on the property and then you have like your filling tank which pressurizes to then put

hydrogen into your car but what you need is you need the pressure in that filling tank to be higher

than the pressure in your tank in your tank otherwise once it equalizes it can't put more gas in

there because it's not a liquid you know what I'm saying and there isn't like a pump to pump

again exactly it's all gone on hydrogen's on pressure yeah so once that pressure equalizes like

your ears or whatever that's it so if people don't wait for the filling tank to fill and there's no

graphic or alert that says hey this middle tank is filling people just pump it clicks off they go what

the fuck they try again it doesn't give you any more hydrogen they leave and it doesn't there's

not like a thing when I when I had this experience years ago there was and it would be so easy to

have a digital graphic that says wait 18 more minutes wait 17 more minutes sure didn't exist

yeah so this lawsuit is from a bunch of different owners uh let's see people are saying they

received vehicles that are virtually unusable due to a critically deficient hydrogen infrastructure

there's only 20 fuel fuel nozzles across the state many of which are frequently inoperable

people are saying salesmen misrepresented to them how the cars worked yeah one of the plaintiffs

was a man in the military who was deciding between a Mariah and a Prius and the salesman say well

they're both they're actually very similar and pushed for the Mariah they're not similar because of

the fueling situation sure so this is a kind of multifaceted case um you know and you can read more

about this autoping did a good job well it probably breaking it down and of course if you go to

their website it it gets into a little bit more detail who decided to make it individual cases

I believe the um law firm yeah I think it's I mean I bet there's so many different ways in which

these people relied to like if a salesman lies to you like that's probably one kind of you know

fraud or non-fraught you know if there's exactly there's other types of yeah there's probably different

types of so here's what they said our firm initially this is quote our firm initially filed a class

action lawsuit on but on behalf of Mariah owners to hold Toyota accountable for the widespread fuel

system failures power loss issues and performance defects affecting these vehicles however after

speaking directly with numerous Mariah drivers and hearing how differently each person was

impacted yeah ranging from loss use of their vehicle two safety concerns we recognize these cases

couldn't be treated as now yeah that makes sense what that tells me is that maybe some of these

complaints will be thrown out so um I've reached out to the the law firm because I want to know

what were some of the safety situations and were when they say like uh the vehicle didn't work

correctly is that the pump situation or is that the vehicle itself having a problem so we'll follow

sure um but I that kind of that basically says what I just guessed which is that people had different

impacts and like some of those might be a small claim sure you know and some of them might be hundreds

of thousands of dollars and some of them might be you know who knows what so some of them might

just be well a salesman lied to them which actually isn't a crime you know there's probably

a spectrum of that yeah I think they'll figure out if this was a if it was one dealership if it's

multiple dealerships pushing pushing the Mariah instead of other hybrids they offer and misleading

customers like that seems like and I'm not a lawyer but that seems like a different issue from

the vehicle itself having a mechanical problem yeah to the fueling issues being and now is that

Toyota's fault or is that one of the you know several different companies that ran the hydrogen

stations fault I'm sure yeah all right it's fucking messy no I know but I my friend Brian who is in

the hydrogen industry understands knows like who fuck two here kind of um I think this I think the

state offered to do to to pay for a bunch of it and then pulled the funding there were supposed

to be lots of stations that ultimately just like didn't get built for you know who knows what

reason yeah I feel for that I mean that's I don't want a fucking hydrogen car so I you know it's

it's cool in theory but as we've discovered a couple times we've tested them actually oh yeah

I'm driving right I had the Neo but we had a Mariah press car but same problem would have had

the same problem yeah it's availability it's the system it's the information given to owners

and in a lot of cases it's the dealerships telling folks hey there's there's this many stations

which is not that many in the state and then you find out it's only in California you can't even

drive the thing outside California because there's literally zero yeah other hydrogen stations

state car it is a one state car yeah yeah yeah if you have a very you know predictable commute

that happens to go by a hydrogen station they're fucking giving these things we had listeners even

back then they were like I did the math and they went my lease is cheaper than this yeah yeah

always drive this route and there's always fuel and for that specific person economics really

work out yeah but for anyone who tries to use this as a normal car it's dude it sucks yeah it does

that's problem especially now that basically the you know interstate charge network is dependable

and available and every car is able you know every car that needs to find chargers has on board

software for finding charge and it's legitimately in my experience real-world experience it was quick

it would be quicker to plug a car in and go get coffee and come back then it was to sit there

at the pump and wait for the pump to prime itself because I probably can't leave people think I'm

an asshole for unattending leaving my car yeah and I still had to wait for the thing for a long time

you have to wait but you have to wait there I've wait there and I don't know how long I have to wait

that is crazy yeah that's because that was like early stage EV charger failures where it was like

the problem wasn't getting the electricity into the fucking car the problem was reading my credit

card it's like this is the hold up like my fucking credit card and so with the hydrogen thing it's like

the problem is that you can't figure out a way to put a 50 cent LCD screen on this thing that says

pump will be ready in six minutes if they did that because what they did is they pitched it as this

is just as quick as fueling gas car that's true if the tank is pressurized but if you start showing

people you have to wait 20 minutes between hydrogen cars and there's a line of cars that myth of a

five minute fuel up can that little tank only the the filling tank only do one car I think it

depends on which station you want to like the reason Sarah and I got stuck is we tried we had to

drive from Santa Cruz to San Jose for hydrogen station and they were a bunch of cars in line and

we watched one person give up then the next person waited and filled their car for like five minutes

and we talked to them and got their story and then I called like the helpline and they said the

place you're at is the one you know they have hydrogen that you just have to wait there I waited

15 minutes then I tried to fuel it I got half the tank and I said okay well I know there's this

place in the middle of Central Valley will make it there but and when I was on the phone with

customer service I said is there hydrogen at that place was it called again the Paris ranch I said

is there hydrogen there they said yes but in the two hours it took us to get there all of the

hydrogen there was exhausted and gone so I arrived and there was no hydrogen so mean another

number of other people were stuck overnight until the hydrogen was delivered I wonder if you could

suit well they keep inviting me to the rally they're like you got to show up man because they know

my story and I like look I'm not an owner I don't inviting you to what well there was a big protest

in Sacramento there was and there's another one planned for Los Angeles on the 29th where the state

house or whatever I think they're trying to get state support or something like that and like look

I don't own I I said I'll do this I will talk about this case because it's interesting and I

experienced it yeah but I don't own a car so I don't own a Mariah like I'm not going to show up to

the courthouse stage you know when I've the one week ahead one of the night and the Harris ranch yeah

they forced me and my wife to buy $38 hamburgers and stay at this hotel damn yeah so that was

that's what's going on with it oh if they if Delta reimburses me for a lost bag they should

totally reams you you should be getting reimbursed for that by somebody it's this is there's

going to be a lot of is it Toyota's fault is it the infrastructure's fault yeah because that

station's like a shell or something right uh one of the stations that was on it's like Neo or

Nexo or something like that it's blue and then the one at the oh right and then the one Harris

ranch shell owns the gas but I can't remember who owns the hydrogen side of it I don't know if

it's the same one yeah there's a few different companies and yeah it's Matt it's it's problematic yeah

and that's not even getting into how they make the hydrogen which we covered in our Mariah review

it's not it could be clean it's not right now yeah so well the clean way is very energy intensive

and that's right and then you need and then you need uh yeah then if you have clean energy then you

can do the energy intensive way right right now they just do the they get it out of the ground

right now it's fracking mainly yeah um yeah I mean listen if you can't get fucking rich while

saving the planet it is not worth doing because like saving the planet's great but like

cap a little we look if I can wave a magic wand and this is magic so don't come at me bros like

and I could go here's all of the solar power we need and then you can get water desalinated

and then extract hydrogen sure that would make a lot of sense if we can't want to keep using some

sort of combustion engine yeah but on the other hand if we have and and then you use I think you

use a lot less precious metals then if you gave everyone an EV and use the limitless solar power

to charge the hydrogen is supposed to be the most abundant element in the universe right

sure get it from fucking anywhere right right so in theory that makes a lot of sense yeah it does uh

but it's converting it to this tiny thing that you can put in a tank that's the last that last

10 percent there's a guy I know who has a company that is working on a combustion hydrogen

as opposed to a fuel cell hydrogen fuel cell hydrogen is basically it it's it takes the hydrogen

and turns it into electricity and water through a reaction right and that's why deep deep deep

dip drips water out the tailpipe like it's always fucking leaking yep this dude is trying to burn it

like you would burn E85 basically and the difference is apparently if you're burning it versus fuel

selling it you can use a much much lower pressure like lower pressure by a factor of a lot

on ten or more um I think it goes from like four digit pressures to two digit pressures actually

um but yeah they said they have like prototypes and they could they could they can do uh

they're looking for I was like you need to go to Myers-Manks they will build a hydrogen

combustion car in two seconds there's there's a couple people that have tested race cars in

I think like has a uh like a development series within IMSA or it's not IMSA but something like that

I think it's done it of course trying to do it too with their Baja they've got a hydrogen Baja

team it's it's a cool idea yeah it is um should we go to the people yeah we can go to this probably

a few of them out there at least two or three a lot of questions of course if you want to uh

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shit I can't figure it out do I want to wear my glasses or not do I make the font bigger just

make the font bigger because I'm getting older and I think then no glasses okay whoa what's

happened here okay um roth v says basically what newer sports coupe that you could daily drive

prioritizes steering feel besides the Porsche sports cars the the 86 twins oh yeah

those probably have the best steering feel on the market for the money right alpine was great

well it's assumed that roth v is in the us right if you're in if you're in fucking europe just

end it now and get an alpine um yeah I think that I think the 86 twins are better than meana's now

I think meana's is a little bit overpowered and just not as good as it used to be um okay

and uh g.r. corolla is pretty good I would say that has good steering um

the integral integratype as the alpha julia alpha julia better than m3 yeah yeah julia quad that's

pretty good um yeah those three are good uh we're gonna need more adville says

my father has a neurodegenerative disorder won't be able to walk much longer uh that's a bummer

I'm sorry to hear that what is the best complete passenger experience car to take him on drives

under 60k uh hmm that's interesting I think I was gonna say v12 I think I think you go for sound sound

with with some speed and let's assume your your dad's a car guy so I think the up the only

asterisk is what is he into you know if he's an older gentleman obviously if he's super into

muscle cars then you get something like a zl one that just makes all the good noise and goes like

fuck yeah I mean my first question would be what does he want because like if this whole if this

whole thing is for him like does he have an opinion um I'm sure he does if you're gonna buy a car

that's just for him to enjoy himself I'm sure he has some kind of opinion on what he would enjoy

himself yeah the other thing is you know is it is it is it opi's car that he wants to take his dad

in a lot and dad to like it or is it like your dad's gonna buy this car that you'll drive him

around and that's two different things yeah um under 60k I would you could have out like a

aston db9 valanti with an exhaust on it that's pretty cool that'll go a long way yeah you know

or a v8 vantage roadster that'll be pretty that would be a good time um obviously uh you know

porches are great they're they're they're nice um well let's see but yeah you get R8 oh wait 60

now 60 probably not no um I mean you could get a fucking 981 came in or boxer with a light flywheel

in a nice sounding exhaust on it yeah a convertible might be fun or you could go for like R as

fours or any kind of cool sounding V8 yeah you know yeah but I we need to know what he wants yeah

that's that's the first question uh it's you have to do more scrolling now because the the

screen fontway fontway bigger uh mini finnie oh how do you store my watches I got a big mother

fucking safe son it's heavy shit's like 900 pounds it's big you do pillows do you know do you

have them around oh yeah okay um so I have uh go to um boss for us leather I have I

shout out to boss for us leather they make these fucking cases and they make

infinite numbers of them um they have like these brief cases for watches yeah these guys so

I have the one uh I don't know it's it I have the ones that hold 15 watches and you get them

you choose your own leather they have ones with like rivets and mine don't like look quite as fancy

is that like crazy riveted one but I have a couple of those that live in a fucking big-ass heavy

safe and then I got it one for a while too well the the the rolls are for if you want to travel

right that's the rolls and then they have um a variety of these sort of briefcase case I don't

I don't display my shit yeah there's people that wanted like look at a watch box and look at their

watches I get that um but I got thumb at the bank at the uh safety deposit box really yeah yeah

yeah and then I got most most are in the big fucking big heavy boy safe uh J Cat says oh the Lexus

Halo car yeah uh with an alleged price double the LC500 will the new Lexus uh replacement

be an instant hit or suffer the same fate as the LFA did on launch and um I think it's probably

more of what Lexus customers actually want than the LC500 is I think all we'll drive a twin turbo

torquey motor um uh god damn is it look good though looks fucking mean why it does look cool yeah it

looks mean and wide um and and high even higher performance because you know the LC500 is quick

enough but it's not that fast in the modern yeah you know compared to your modern stuff even when

it came out like it was a little behind I think so yeah the other stuff once you get it fucking

going if you keep the revs up like it's pretty quick it's quicker on a track because you're at

the top of the power band all the time when you're in and out of the power band all the time it's

not as quick um I think it'll be really fast and I do I do think they will sell them

angel is breast don't know what that is but okay uh what are your cutoff points for cars and

watches that make you say to yourself oh that's a big boy collector um for cars if you're driving

roofs yeah then you know something yeah you you know you you're if you're driving a roof that you

bought new you're dry you know something when you spend near hypercar money on something that

doesn't look like a five-year-old drew it yeah um I mean it's hard in LA because there's a lot of

people that have nice cars but like aren't quite as rich as you would think considering their car

we have some we have some people that I've dealt with in the storage business that are

shockingly cheap considering the fucking cars they've got and I don't know how they got their

allocations like that um people with customized stuff I think especially if it's like like

an alpha-holics type thing where it's a uh celebrated car that they have been fully restored

and customized where it's like an atelier which one's that and a tell no what that's not a car

thing it's an atelier is like uh like singer-gunther alpha-holics where it's a where it's a company that

does this one thing in a super high level yeah if it comes from they charge all the money definitely

yeah um with watches actually uh I think it was like John Mayer who you know say what you will

about the guy but he's a fabulous guitar player and he knows the thing or two about watches um if you

see somebody out and about wearing a patec aqua not like travel time like a two a world time

or a travel time patec aqua not if that's what you're sort of wearing out and about

you've got fucking heavy bike shit at home because the people that have one super fancy patec

tend to not like wear it out and the people that have aquanauts use them as beaters wow

the two people I know $80,000 watch yeah yeah but it's not it's not even that it's $80,000 it's

$80,000 and you have to spend $500,000 to be invited to buy one wow or you can get this replica

for $400 yeah dude there's uh there's some very interesting and very high quality reproductions

that are available right now that there's for like a fucking fakey Rolexes right now

that will fool watchmakers like they will fool like a bad watchmaker or fool a dealer like um

which is crazy and that's not why I buy watches like that but like yeah the fakes are amazing

you know 99.9% of people cannot spot one of those good fakes most dealers couldn't yeah

you have to open it up and look at the fucking right and stuff or have a real one right next to it

um ice in our cars not our streets shout out to you that's a pretty good one although I like

electric cars too I like having an ice chest in my car uh yeah why do some models like the Corvette

Mustang and 9-11 stand the test of time while others fade away when all models have stronger

and weaker generations um the corporate commitment corporate commitment and strength of brand yeah um

you know when you when you have when you when you when you already have a big brand it makes a lot

of sense to keep that big brand going and once once you get through two or three generations

and the car is an icon you know you you probably don't want to throw that that way there's

that flywheel effect they also have to keep it going but it's gotten the more the longer it's been

around the more momentum it has and uh you know Corvette like most of the generations are really good

performance cars and the oil crisis is like not really Corvette's fault so you go oh it's got this

huge cache of amazing decades in years and so it's just that's why it remains an icon and they

keep it going yeah yep yep yep I don't have an STI says uh we mentioned sims and sim racing in

passing have we ever considered getting into sim racing and trying out some eye racing special

events no my friends that have done eye racing some of whom have done it like a pretty high level

they go it's a whole different ball game from other sims stuff it's way harder and it's not they

said it's not it's not fun it's like difficult imagine a video game that's not fun right I don't

like to play those no I don't either if I'm at someone's house or place and there's a sim I'll

give it 10 fucking minutes I'll have a little go see what's up I just know though we we drive

real shit so much all the time I know I if I had a little more space in our in the I've said this

I think recently the office of my house we would probably have a little sim thing because I'd like to

use it to keep my track skills sharper from because I don't get as much track access as you do

but eye racing just seems like work like yeah you got to learn these tire models and it responds

different and you yeah I've heard like you can't lean on the tire much it doesn't just it doesn't

slide a little it just steps out and it's gone that's not what I want to do for fun uh yeah no I

enjoy simulator racing once in a while it's a good time but like I I would not uh no it's not really

a thing I ever think about doing sir Bartholomew Archibald Quafington the third that is a that is

someone with a very big house and a very small income I said um I simply adore your splendid

podcast it's become the highlight of my auditory engagements nice uh relocating to San Diego this

August did you know that San Diego means a Wales vagina uh where I will be driving a four-edge

everyday boo uh not boo it's just I like no there's nothing wrong with this I don't know why I said

boo it's a it's an enthusiast podcast and that's a boring car that's why that I thought he was sort

of saying go in that way uh that said I find myself enchanted by the acquired idea of acquiring a

C4 Corvette ideally with an LT1 and a 6-speed as a weekend diversion uh I'm toying with the

notion of a uh budget supercharger built any thoughts I think there's a lot of value in late C4

Corvettes I really do they don't look great but they drive better than they look I think they

actually they've grown on me they look pretty cool profile I don't like pop-up lights but in the

daytime they're nice the interiors are whatever not great yeah they're not great but I but you know

if you're uh if you're as a San Diego weekend car on a budget C4 Corvettes all right I

probably would skip the supercharger I don't I mean if you really give a shit you can like do

the head cam thing that some people do but like I'd leave it alone I just I don't think I don't

think it would make that Corvette that much better yeah and in San Diego there's not a ton of

good canyon road nearby there's no drag strip I don't think like so so you're not gonna I don't

think you'll gain much by getting that performance you don't get to stretch its legs very often

and all you'll have is sound which you can have just put a good set of pipes on it yeah

we get a lot of the experience and and maybe some suspension and some good tires and and you can

make that thing pretty fun to drive you can auto cross or track it yeah but super you know super

chargers end up being five six seven thousand dollars in San Diego it's gonna get hot you need a

charge cooler for something like that I don't they don't really fit so great in C4 engine

compartments there's not a lot of space in there I wouldn't how much would that build be also

because we might start creeping into like C506 territory which you just by that I would just

put a nice set of pipes on it and a good set of shocks and coilovers or whatever and oh wait

C4s are leaf springs so it's pray would be it would be shocks not coilovers but you can get that

kind of stuff yeah that could be a really fun canyon car without a lot you don't really need a

lot more power in that thing it's fast actually turns out as cars are quick off piece to watch

recommendation for high school graduation gift for my son he'll be attending a private military

university in Vermont whoa think about some type of field watch budget up to 1500 so many options dude

um Hamilton's are always the go-to um but you know on the in the used market right now

shit there's a lot of options um now military they have you know uh there's like specific

military like history connection watches like they what they call the dirty dozen watches

which are as a series of field watches there are from a variety of different manufacturers

they were issued to soldiers um there were 12 of them and that's why they're called dirty dozen

watches most of most of those are not rare and if you wanted to buy him like a cool vintage dirty

dozen watch like you probably could um I don't think that's what you are talking about here

if you want to guarantee his employment you get a trump watch yeah I would say high-end g-shock or

uh like like a Hamilton field watch um is probably what you want to be doing here for up to 1500

and that will be a great uh watch to take to a military university bob Q sauce on matidys

what in a parallel universe what would an aston martin db 10 or v 10 vantage look like

I don't think v i don't think v tens are really an aston martin type of engine that tone

can you imagine and eat any of the v tens of viper and r 8 a lambo any of those cars with that sound

coming out of an aston it doesn't do it for me I agree I think the eights and the 12s have a

better tone than the tens for a front engine car yeah um but that's just because you know

that's what we've heard them in for a long time yeah aston's have been eights 12s in line six

is way back in the day right six so they use some they had their own engines but then they also

use some jag they had a the 1997 that for the first db sevens had supercharged jag xjs engines in

them and they're kind of interesting actually in their own way uh drew frank sold my endi meada

and i want to add something different and quirky okay uh i have a moris miner and an mgb for the canyons

what other kinds of cars would you think about maybe an old four by four uh street or mild off-road

well 30 to 50 grand that's a lot of money a zero that's a yeah pagero evo yep that's the right

that's the right choice yeah i don't think i could think of anything better than that for that kind

of money with paired with those other two types of vehicles um maybe you could get

one of those like european diesel like g wagons you know like an old like an eighties imported g

wagon um they're they're you know they're well made the parts are expensive as hell but

Bentley Turbo R you see a Lana bought an Arnage T wow yeah i mean she can fuck it hard dude

the Arnage T is the good one too that's the twin turbo version of my motor the six and three

quarters because you know Arnage just came in two engines there was in the big BMW uh

like when rolls and Bentley went to Volkswagen it rolls went to BMW but it was still rolls Bentley

at that time and BMW was like mid takeover and so the Bentley Arnage red label had the Bentley

motor the Bentley Arnage green label had the BMW V8 in it which was a piece of shit in that car

yeah so you do not want to think like uh you want the red label or the T which has the which

is the the actually the the faster one yeah um seven secos recently moved to south florida i'm

sorry to hear that and i'm looking for a manual convertible i'm approximately matte sized

okay target budget is 30k which keeps the field pretty limited yes it does

v6 one le Camaro is the best handling power price compromise in this range should i be

considering in a 370z or an m2 35i convertible instead dude you don't have corners what do you need

a sports car for well that's why you don't need the one le yeah the m2 35 le a much better more

comfortable luxurious choice i think that's the way out of these three i'd go with that florida

for sure yeah but for if you could get a v8 Camaro ss convertible true with a manual for 30k yeah

100 percent you can all fucking day or a Mustang GT convertible the manual all fucking day

it's just how many miles in what year can you afford yeah and how much maintenance can you

afford that would also influence two thirty five versus mustangs yeah two thirty five i's not

heinous no i think they're i think they're very nice cars i mean in terms in terms of maintenance cost

that's not they're not like hideously bad i don't know i'd have to look yeah um better than the one

thirty five we know that yeah that's true um i mean also like just like just saying you could get

if i wanted a if i wanted a budget convertible the manual i would get a like two thousand and six

bmw three thirty c i with a manual you get one on bringing trailer and have like no miles on it

do a huge the major service on it you're into this thing for twenty five and if you keep it nice

it's worth that forever like you know what i mean like and that that like an e46 today if you put

car play in it that still feels like a new car yeah crazy uh i would do that that's if i

if it was my money faddeus i forgot he submitted a question to us via text oh really

if you and i were given two million dollars to buy the other person one car what would you buy

for me and what would i buy for you uh and okay and you can one car one car can't do a three car

monty to garage thing it's just one vehicle up to two we don't have to you know can't we don't

have to nail the two uh i mean i think i don't know if it would get it i i mean which uh i think

i might be able to get the hoonachorn for two million bucks no i couldn't it's probably not

the hoonachruck went for nine hundred grand of barren jackson yeah that's not the one

it's got that like the engine or the shape of it's right i understand yeah it would be it would be a

gymkhana type vehicle great answer or it would be like a like a rally car like it would be like that

like if i was going to use something brand new it would be that pro drive thing that pro drive

22v carbon thing that would be that great answer i would get you the singer uh turbo that we just

drove that would be correct as well i would be very very happy with that yeah yeah i would need

nothing else right uh silence of the lambo that's called uh hybrid mode e-mode uh

Kendrick Lamar's latest album is called gnx what was the sentiment of the buick gnx back in the day

were they good cars and has time been kind to them how do you think how old do you think

right yeah what were they like you know in how they drive back i was six yeah i was five so um i do i

remember when i was 15 or 16 and really started to get into drag racing that them fucking guys

the drag strip all respected the grand national and the gnx the gnx's they didn't get driven

like that's the problem with them yeah no every gnx had eight miles on it yeah they didn't get driven

you never saw them on the street they were too rare um and we were talking about at the period of

the 90s to the mid 2000s when muscle cars were just yeah you know they were too valuable to drive

now they've you know kind of softened a little bit um and some people did choose to drive them

there's a documentary about them black smock black i think it's i was called thank you

and it's like a two-hour documentary uh the gist of which is about three dozen different people

telling you that they have never seen a blacker car in the black air sorry black air um they don't

drive very well um you know they're kind of stupid it's a it's a it's a it's an attitude car

and i think there was never a point in between when that car was new and today where it didn't say

exactly the same thing going down the road it never had a period where it wasn't cool to see

a nice grand national it never had a period where people were like them things are stupid like

never happened they they came out of the box they were awesome and then they they kind of stayed

awesome to that audience and i think people like Kendrick i mean i talked to killer Mike about grand

nationals i think i think um you know black folks that grew up seeing uh people driving them and

should they they were all about that um his his yeah uh his is a grand national that was converted

right it was what his is not a gnx killer Mike's killer Mike's yeah that one he had one build right

before the Grammys must always not a real good yeah because so gnx is they made 547 yeah yeah they made

1,500 view of turbos and then they made 20,000 grand nationals i think his was a grand national

converted to ls uh nine if you were going to do a fucking hemmings build you wouldn't use a real

grand right real gnx there's no there's the the differences you are eliminated by doing the built

sure there's just there's people were mad at him for you know for for them for cutting apart the

the grand national and it's like they made 20 they made a lot there's a bunch of grand and there's

a lot of them sitting nowhere with rust like just take the engine out of the car there's a bunch of

grand nationals they're they're not that precious um we've had three different gnx's here at west

side one is here now um and the two that are no longer here had like no miles on them like low four

figures miles and the one that's here now has like 70,000 miles on it and it looks just as nice as

the other as the brand new ones did it's actually kind of great um they drive like shit I mean

there's just sloppy 80s three speed yeah you put the foot down it goes you know the Detroit

speed makes a fucking hole like chassis for them basically and if some way if you could do a manual

swap and a chassis you could have a fun little hot rod but no one's really doing that they should

though um Randy says on June 12th Musk tweeted that they were launching the updated model s and x

and they don't look much different and I've heard no media coverage is this more of him trying to pump

the stock no you know it's funny there this is there he actually wasn't lying there is there is

an updated model s and model x they haven't changed much um one thing they did change is the price

they made it more expensive another thing they changed is they dropped the top speed of the

plaid from 200 to 150 I saw that story but I also saw a comment saying uh the website was a little

misleading and if you get the like track package or whatever the top speed is still the same oh

okay well then actually if they did that that would be one of a very small number of responsible

things that they did because uh yeah you shouldn't be able to go 200 without the ceramic breaks

right but it got a new color it got some new bushings a little more range for the model s

that's a whole fucking car man I know but the prices on all of them went up

yeah like five grand yeah I'm sure that'll help people a little better noise cancellation

listen it's five grand more expensive but you get to drive around a right wing political billboard

yeah you can't get you can't buy the bumper sticker yeah no see those around it and sometimes I

seem on a car that's really new and I go you you bought that afterwards 50% or more of those I

got this before Elon was crazy are from a car where that is a literal impossibility yeah yeah yeah

that's him yeah like you're on dealer tags dude uh thoughts on his robo taxi launch in Austin

seems like a bunch of desperate attempts for relevance yes that's I mean that is actually

that second bit there is what I would call Elon Musk in 2020.

Neeter Meyer was retweeting on Blue Sky some funny clips of like robo taxi stopping in the middle

the road at three different places uh it came to a stop when there was a police car on a different

road like it saw blue lights and went oh emergency situation and the robo taxi just stopped in the

middle of road so right now it's it's in beta um and not great and there's drivers monitoring

I don't know I didn't I couldn't tell from the photo the photo was from behind a little

ways away and that was not in the post so yikes well there are four pages more oh we we've

been going for an hour and a half so we certainly don't have to do that but let's do two more

and call it a day we'll save the other ones for our next show uh Adam says what are your preferred

stereo settings and EQ levels in your car on this new mix of music and podcasts if that makes any

difference bro I don't have the ear depends on the stereo too it hugely depends on the stereo

but I do not have the ear to advise you how to set your car yeah um I mean in I guess a

middle of the road car I typically put the treble pretty high put the bass medium high and then

leave the mid sort of in the middle usually that kind of does it but like I don't know it's really

matters what kind of stereo you're listening to in the Mazda the stereo sounded very thin and then I

went and I bumped bass up by three and it was a little better for conversation and for music but

it totally depends on the stereo yeah uh thickened sugar that's pretty good with so many um popular

watch and color combinations named after pop culture characters with cartoon comic inspired combo

would you like to see okay that's an interesting one uh there's stuff like the snoopy um well

I don't know about pop culture characters I mean like we've got in terms of Rolex you've got Pepsi

Coke uh root beer you've got Starbucks you've got Hulk most of those are like brats brands not

characters yeah well I mean I got mine painted I got the um the hour hand done sort of in savage

dragon green which is a comic book from my youth um did you literally say savage dragon green I

was like yeah the message what you were talking about I sent him some some pictures from the comic

and I was like here's what I'm going for yeah then he sent me three options and I went that one

okay but uh but like a full like watch combo design with the back and everything um

I don't know it's hard now they're they're all like brand deals and now it's just all advertising

what's it's like a lot of them are collab brand deals but like the Rolex nicknames are just sort

of organic based on the color themes um but like what cartoon I mean oh I guess there's Batman

there's Hulk um well I've never seen it's not a cartoon character but I've never seen sprite I

want to see a Rolex GMT it's clear that has a green and yeah no the corporate colors there's

it oh fresco a fresco was you see the new cans they rebranded it new cans again yeah I think well

I don't know they they look new to me they change to like they're trying to look classy yeah it's

yeah that one yeah yeah it's called like soda beverage yes I swear to god it's not no it is

you're right it is something stupid like that yeah you need a fresco watch I saw someone did it on

Instagram as a rendering once it's it's the sprite where it's green and yellow on the bezel um which

I really liked yeah would be cool yeah would be cool so I think you would get it custom did you find

the can oh yeah is it's as it's sparkling soda beverage it's sparkling soda water which is

sparkling soda water is a really misleading yes because what it is is diet soda yeah it's

aspartane that's a diet soda citrus whatever the fuck but it's definitely not it does it

takes more like soda than it does like sparkling water because it absolutely is soda to call that

fucking sparkling soda water is very very if you do a blind taste test between that and lacroy

and club soda you're you're picking fresca if they ask you to find it now in fairness a nothing

goes better with little vodka or a little blanco tequila than a fresca sparkling soda water yeah

that is a true dream of it of a lazy cocktail drink yeah it goes well with tequila also we discovered

it's a lemon's race yeah put your favorite celebrity tequila uh based on the taste of the

tequila not the quality of the celebrity all right we had the rock we had taramana there but it was

only with it it was mixed so I don't know okay I've had it was it like gross no fine it's

totally fine yeah yeah yeah and then what's the other one if I had cosmigos I assume and that's

cluny that one's pretty good yeah I can do that on the rock cosmigos is kind of like my new like well

not well I don't mean to be like like uppity but like like my my that's like my my kind of because I

don't want to drink teap tequila I worked too hard to drink cheap garbage tequila I drink it very

rarely so if I drink it I'll do mess cow in the rocks and then I'm okay so I tried uh uh uh

the dose harmonos the the air in Paul and Brian Cranston mezcal not energy in that one I I don't

really like mezcal and I really didn't like their mezcal if it's heavy-handed on the smoke yeah

it's like drinking a campfire yeah fuck tomorrow it's not good yeah it was gnarly but I don't like mezcal

okay uh real quick this one below it on the regular cat reviews said last week does the LC 500

with the updated touchscreen fix the infotainment issues with the mouse and track pad the answer to

that is yes the the touchscreen with scroly wheels interface is much better the Hannah Hannah who is my

UI expert at home drove it for five minutes and was like we need to talk about this

and she really didn't like that the forward and back buttons on the steering wheel only do your

favorites you can't use the steering wheel button to scroll through the all channels I completely

agree if that's how it works and it's not a setting or a thing you can change it is fucking dumb

it's bad because if you're listening to satellite radio four channels in a row or hip hop yeah

someone's like different ones and if I don't favorite all of them you're saying I can't just go to

the next hip-op stage with the steering wheel control now there's a central console scroly wheel

that will where you can scroll individual channels outside of your favorites even if you're using

that in tandem with the steering wheel favorites and I I know I wish I wish there should be a toggle

in settings where you can say I want this steering wheel control to do favorites or channel by channel

because I can totally see why someone goes how come it's going channel by channel my favorites are

50 channels apart sure give us the option because some of the there's so much good music on

sat radio from like 27 to 49 yeah so I need to individually be able to go through the channel

the only other UI complaint I have about the LC is the heated and cooled seats is two touches

in the touchscreen and then you have to touch to select your seat you can't it's not on the home

screen it's not a button on the side and it actually has an auto setting so it just matches kind

of whatever the climate control is doing which works pretty well but still that's too many menus

for fucking heated seats yeah because it may be something you start when you're parked but you're

going to change it once you've been moving for 30 minutes yeah yeah so that's that's a bad one but

other than that I do love me some LC 500 that is it to light and I'll figure out I'm pretty sure

something is a quite right with the trends on this one it seems like it was either burning our

leaking fluid in a way that's not natural but I wouldn't be surprised if they call me tomorrow and

go yep you were right about that but I don't want to be presumptuous two gears fell out of it by the way

stupid yeah also didn't have ninth or tenth gear apparently um that's all folks we're going to be

back later this week it's uh it's actually going to be real busy around here because there's an

Aston Martin press launch um happening here this week so a lot's happening at WCCS and obviously

I can't review the product because I'm providing the facility are you doing it do they call you

they did not call me but I'll be it's going to be here all day so I'll just pop by and

okay see if I can do it yeah look at their new UI yeah it's the uh it's the car play ultra

Aston Martin launch so um so Zach can can do it because he's not benefiting from Aston Martin

being here right um but that's all we appreciate you and uh if you're over 40 make sure you see

a cardiologist every year it's my PSA this one bye guys

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