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We're going to talk today about leasing versus buying.
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Which one is a better value right now in 2025?
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We did this last week,
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Folks, that's the purpose for today.
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We've been talking a lot recently about leasing.
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Today, I wanted to have the conversation about leasing versus buying,
05:06
and my ask of the community, those that tune in to the show today,
05:09
please share questions.
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So for example here, Mark has a question about money factor.
05:14
Does it change based on someone's credit?
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Mark, I'm starring this question right now.
05:18
We're not going to answer it immediately,
05:19
but I'm going to pull that back up.
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We're going to answer it.
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Put your leasing versus buying or leasing and buying questions in the chat.
05:25
We've got 30 minutes.
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Let's try and help people, but let's start here, dad.
05:30
Leasing versus buying a car.
05:33
Which is a better value in 2025?
05:35
What's the quick 30 answer to that question?
05:38
Typically, it is cheaper to buy a car than it is to lease a car
05:45
if your intention upon leasing the car is to buy it at the end of the lease.
05:52
If your intention is to not buy it at the end of the lease,
05:56
then your lease in payment will be less typically than your car payment
06:02
would be if you financed it.
06:04
But the difference is obviously in one case,
06:08
you're eventually paying off a vehicle and owning it
06:13
and whatever equity there is is yours.
06:16
And in the other case, in a lease,
06:18
people are just paying for the use of the vehicle
06:21
based on the amount of miles expected to be driven every year
06:26
and you will own nothing at the end of that time.
06:29
Can we talk a little bit about your personal experience, dad?
06:32
So for those of you that have not heard this line come out of my mouth
06:35
or my father's mouth at some point in time,
06:37
he spent 40 plus years in retail automotive selling cars, running dealerships.
06:41
You, however, dad, choose to lease vehicles.
06:44
Your most recent vehicles you've chosen to lease
06:46
have bought cars in the past. You financed them.
06:48
Have you ever paid cash for a car?
06:51
Okay, so you've only ever financed the purchase of a vehicle
06:54
or leased a vehicle.
06:55
Right now, you're Mazda. You leased your Mazda.
06:57
Help us understand what made you decide to lease instead of buying.
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What do you like about leasing? What do you dislike about leasing?
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What I like about leasing is that there's a fixed term.
07:08
So what do I mean by that?
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Most leases are the sweet spot for most leases
07:14
is usually between 24 months to 36 months.
07:18
So what it means for somebody that drives 10 to 12,
07:23
maybe even 15,000 miles a year,
07:26
is that during the course of the lease,
07:29
they will have a vehicle if it's 12,000 miles a year
07:33
that is under warranty for the whole time
07:37
that they are driving that vehicle.
07:40
So they'll have a fixed payment.
07:42
They'll know the day they sign up for that lease,
07:46
what they can buy it for at the end of the lease.
07:49
That's the residual value.
07:51
So they can kind of base what they want to do on the future
07:54
on knowing what the future value is assigned to that vehicle.
07:59
And you'll have a payment that's lower than a purchase
08:03
and you'll always be under warranty.
08:05
So for someone who likes to drive a new car
08:09
every two to three years, leasing, in my opinion,
08:14
is the best way to do it.
08:16
Assuming, of course, that you buy into the premise
08:20
that you will always have a car paper.
08:23
Dad, did you ever regret financing a vehicle
08:26
when you thought maybe I should have leased it?
08:28
Did you ever lease a vehicle and regret that
08:30
and think I should have financed it instead?
08:32
I have purchased vehicles
08:35
and I suffer from wonderlust when it comes to cars.
08:41
I will tell you that I'm not really a car guy
08:44
except that for whatever reason
08:46
I always seem to be driving a new or newer car.
08:49
And so one time I did buy a car
08:55
and my wonderlust kicked in in like three years
09:00
and I was a little bit upside down.
09:03
And so I rolled that into my next lease
09:07
so that at the end of three years
09:09
I could be at a break-even point
09:11
and not have to worry about it.
09:15
even if you're not really a car guy
09:17
but you like a newer car
09:19
that you for whatever reason
09:21
grow weary of what it is that you're driving
09:24
and in today's world
09:27
that really doesn't happen because I don't drive enough
09:29
but when I did drive
09:32
if you suffer with that wonderlust
09:35
you are better off leasing
09:37
than trying to have to roll negative equity
09:40
from one loan into the next.
09:42
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Dad, I want to go to the chat here in a moment
09:45
so please put your questions in the chat
09:47
about buying versus leasing
09:49
and any questions you have around that.
09:50
But first I want to ask you
09:51
let's talk about monthly payments for a moment here.
09:53
You mentioned a second ago when you were talking
09:55
if you subscribed to the idea
09:56
that you're always going to have a car payment,
09:59
you do not always have to have a car payment.
10:01
You could pay cash for a vehicle and not have a loan.
10:03
You could also pay off your car loan
10:05
and then continue to drive that vehicle.
10:07
There are a lot of folks out there
10:08
that do not have a car payment.
10:09
They still have expenses associated
10:11
with the car every month.
10:13
Insurance, maintenance, fuel.
10:17
You don't really think about depreciation
10:18
but that's in there as well.
10:19
But you don't have to pay a loan
10:21
or you don't have to pay a finance
10:22
or a leasing company.
10:23
But let's talk monthly payment for a moment here.
10:25
Typically when you lease dead
10:27
how does that compare to financing
10:28
from a monthly payment perspective?
10:30
That's usually lower, right?
10:32
Typically a lease payment is lower
10:35
than a purchase or finance payment.
10:38
One of the great lines
10:41
that I ever heard in the car business was
10:45
if your payment was the same
10:47
would you prefer to lease or buy?
10:50
And if somebody said,
10:51
oh well, I think I'd prefer to lease.
10:53
Believe me, they'd keep your payment the same
10:55
as what it would have been
10:56
if you hadn't bought the damn thing.
10:59
The payment for buying it is higher
11:01
than it would be for leasing it
11:03
and the reason for that, okay?
11:06
So that hopefully people can understand this a little bit.
11:09
When you lease a vehicle
11:11
you negotiate the selling price
11:14
of the vehicle to the lease company, okay?
11:18
So if the car is $40,000
11:21
you negotiate just like you're buying the car
11:24
and maybe you get that down to
11:26
I don't know, $36,000.
11:29
That's how much the leasing company
11:31
is going to pay for the car.
11:33
Then we know what the residual is
11:35
and they subtract the residual value
11:38
which is the future value
11:41
of the vehicle from the selling price.
11:44
That's known as the depreciation.
11:47
That's divided by the number of months
11:49
that you're actually leasing the vehicle.
11:52
And so the lower you can make
11:56
the lower the amount of actual depreciation
11:59
is going to be, so the lower the payments going to be.
12:02
When you purchase a car
12:05
there is no future value, nobody guarantees
12:08
what it's going to be
12:10
and you're just paying interest from the get-go
12:12
on the full amount of the vehicle.
12:15
You're not doing that on a lease.
12:18
Now, does leasing work for everybody?
12:21
No, high mileage drivers would hate a lease
12:24
although you can structure a lease
12:27
for a high mileage driver.
12:29
Most high mileage drivers don't want to think of that.
12:34
well, ultimately won't it cost me more
12:37
if I lease it and then I want to buy it?
12:39
Typically it would.
12:41
But as I said before
12:43
if you suffer with the same wonderlust that I do
12:46
and you like a newer vehicle every two or three years
12:50
it makes perfect sense to lease.
12:55
I don't know what the hell the question was
12:59
I spewed some nonsense around it.
13:01
I don't know what the question was either
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to the chat that yes from Mark
13:55
so we've got a question about leasing
13:57
does the money factor change based on someone's credit
14:00
while you're answering this
14:02
I am going to have the screen open to Google
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so please don't be distracted
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go for the answer dad
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I'm just going to the short answer to that is yes
14:12
you know the money factor is
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is based on credit tiers
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let's say the money factors 0.00150
14:22
if you're if you're a tier one
14:25
and that would be somebody 740
14:27
and above with their auto FICO score
14:30
in some cases it might be 720 and above
14:33
if you fall into a slightly lower tier
14:37
that 0.000150 might turn into 0.000175
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here's a perfect example dad
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for a 20 let's see 36 months term
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0.0028 which is the APR of 6.72%
14:57
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it pops 36 month is 0.003257.8%
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and here's the reason why there's credit tiers
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whether you're financing a vehicle
15:35
or leasing a vehicle
15:37
and when you are leasing a vehicle
15:39
credit is more important
15:42
than when you're financing a vehicle
15:44
what do I mean by that
15:46
it is harder to get approved for lease
15:48
because the leasing company
15:50
is assuming a greater responsibility
15:54
because they're buying the whole vehicle
15:57
it's their vehicle you're the one
15:59
that's agreeing to make the payments on it
16:03
they're not going to take as many risks
16:06
for somebody who leases
16:08
as somebody who purchases a vehicle
16:11
so you have to bear that in mind
16:14
I'm one other thing
16:16
and we don't mention it often enough
16:19
but the insurance coverage for a lease
16:23
is slightly more expensive
16:25
than it would be on a purchase
16:27
because there is a minimum
16:29
required amount of coverage
16:32
and typically it's $100,000, $300,000
16:35
of coverage that a leasing company
16:37
insists that you have on the vehicle
16:39
as opposed to in many states
16:42
the minimum requirements are
16:44
so much lower than that
16:48
what the lease company requires
16:50
Fascinating, love that insight
16:52
Pops thank you for sharing it
16:53
we've got here Dad from Joe
16:55
leasing versus buying for a rare
16:57
or low production trim of a particular model
17:00
Dad, does the trim level
17:01
or how rare a vehicle is
17:03
influencing versus buying in your eyes?
17:05
Well, I would think
17:07
especially if it's a rare
17:11
and even if it's not necessarily rare
17:16
something like a Ferrari
17:18
or a McLaren or something like that
17:22
it would probably make more sense
17:24
to lease than to buy it
17:27
and you can then see
17:29
what the residual value
17:32
is at the end of the lease
17:34
in comparison to what the true
17:36
market value might be at the end of the lease
17:38
and at that point you can make a
17:40
determination as to whether or not
17:42
you should purchase it
17:44
and continue with it
17:46
or whether or not you
17:48
could purchase it and sell it
17:50
and reap that profit if
17:52
the lease allows you to buy it
17:56
earlier in the show
17:57
if you trade out of cars
17:58
every two to three years
17:59
and you drive a lot of miles
18:00
you're a better off leasing
18:01
so I think similar to
18:03
what you were saying as well
18:05
strongly recommend leasing
18:07
only from the manufacturer's
18:08
financial arm rather than a private bank
18:10
usually better prices and easier
18:12
turn in process would love to hear
18:15
Dad, what do you make of this?
18:17
There are only a few
18:19
banks out there today
18:21
that actually participate
18:26
compared to what it used to be
18:28
and yeah, you're right on with that
18:30
the banks that are doing it
18:32
are not nearly as forgiving as
18:34
the captive lenders
18:36
for the manufacturers that are doing it
18:40
the captive lenders
18:42
will offer better programs
18:46
although there are times where
18:48
some of the private banks
18:49
will offer a better program
18:55
likelihood that a captive lender
18:57
will overlook some of the
18:59
excess wear and tear to some degree
19:01
than a private bank would
19:05
that's a turn in process that you're
19:07
especially when you're turning it in
19:09
and you're leasing another vehicle
19:11
from that captive lender
19:19
I won't say all the leases I have done
19:21
have been with the captive lenders
19:25
I have never done one myself
19:27
with a private bank
19:29
or lending institution
19:33
written leases in my lifetime
19:35
utilizing other banks
19:37
and lending institutions for those leases
19:39
for other customers
19:41
when that was much more prevalent
19:53
if I remember correctly I think in the late 80s
19:57
interesting fascinating from Susanna
19:59
always good to see you Susanna thanks for being here
20:01
leasing still includes maintenance right
20:03
well you are responsible
20:05
for the maintenance on the vehicle
20:07
as if you had purchased it
20:11
beholden to the leasing company
20:13
we need to get all the maintenance
20:15
is done that are scheduled
20:19
like a BMW or a mini
20:21
where maintenance is included
20:25
simple because you're not really paying anything
20:27
out of pocket for that
20:31
expected and required to
20:33
maintain the vehicle
20:35
up to factory standards
20:37
and specifications as far as
20:39
when it's due for service
20:41
I think that's a really good point
20:43
some leases include
20:47
you don't have to pay out of pocket for it
20:49
you're already paying for it
20:51
when I had the minis
20:55
I would take it in for my annual
20:57
low mileage oil change
21:01
and I didn't pay for the oil change
21:03
mini paid for the oil change
21:09
the current car doesn't have
21:11
maintenance included
21:13
you know I have like
21:17
and I will hit my 6 month
21:19
anniversary with that vehicle
21:21
I think the third or fourth week in September
21:25
at this point in time is to make
21:27
a service appointment
21:29
and bring it in and have an oil change done
21:33
it will be 6 months on about 1,300 miles
21:35
but it will be 6 months
21:39
do I have to do that
21:43
I believe the first oil change is probably
21:45
recommended at 6,000 or 7,500 miles
21:49
if that were the case I would never get there
21:53
with the possibility that I will want
21:55
to buy this car at the end
21:57
of the lease I'm going to spend a few
21:59
dollars to maintain it
22:01
so that I have nothing to worry about
22:03
if I buy it at the end
22:05
with respect to that if you do buy your lease
22:07
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22:09
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22:11
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22:13
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22:17
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22:19
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22:21
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22:29
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22:31
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22:33
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22:35
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22:37
but you don't know how they drove it
22:39
you don't know where they drove it
22:41
you don't know if they drove it through flood waters
22:43
there's lots of things you don't know
22:45
yeah we're not doing the story today
22:47
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22:49
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before you buy out your lease
25:51
make sure you check the value
25:53
and look at comps being sold by dealers
25:55
to see if it's worth buying your own
25:57
leased vehicle 100% you have
25:59
optionality there I just want to remind everyone
26:01
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26:05
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example dad let me go all the way back
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and may I say Zach I did
26:25
that very thing this morning
26:27
for one of the commenters
26:31
from yesterday's show
26:33
wondering about that
26:35
and I said here you might find
26:37
this guide of ours helpful
26:41
so yeah utilize that stuff
26:43
I mean we you know we've spent almost
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six years developing
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and not to knock my son and
26:51
our company and our website
26:53
but I don't mind at all yeah
26:55
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26:57
go to the website and you try and find
26:59
this stuff it is like virtually
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we have to leave it up to google
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27:09
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edge and that way it'll pull it up
27:13
because we're not bright enough
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27:17
on our own damn website
27:19
this is this is true
27:21
so mad max please like you're saying
27:23
here never least before one of the key things to watch out
27:25
for put it into practice my friend
27:27
how to negotiate a car lease what to watch out for
27:29
in a car lease space car edge and that
27:31
information will pop right up if you want to give a brief
27:33
answer pops well I do want to
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maintain the vehicle
27:41
you you aren't allowed to really
27:45
the vehicle unless it enhances
27:47
the value of the vehicle if it
27:49
detracts from the value of the vehicle you can't do it
27:51
and you are responsible
27:55
wear and tear so what is normal
27:57
wear and tear well every lease company
28:01
so you can ask when you're considering
28:03
going into a lease well what do they
28:05
what is this lease company consider normal
28:07
wear and tear and the
28:09
dealership can probably pull up all that
28:11
information for you but
28:13
I know like it many it was door
28:15
dings couldn't be bigger than a quarter
28:17
scratches couldn't be more than
28:19
two inches or whatever it was if
28:23
um you had a minor fender bender
28:25
well you're not supposed to bring the vehicle back
28:27
with the minor fender bender you're
28:29
supposed to if it needs body
28:31
work you're supposed to get the body work
28:35
you have certain obligations
28:37
in the lease um and
28:39
if there is excess wear
28:41
and tear that you didn't
28:43
take care of like you bring
28:45
the car back and it needs tires they're
28:47
going to charge you for the tires
28:49
because in your lease agreement
28:51
it's going to say that it has to have
28:55
tread depth when you bring it back
28:57
if it's less than that there's a charge
28:59
for the tires if the
29:01
alloy wheels are scuffed there's
29:03
a charge to repair the alloy
29:07
you have to maintain it
29:11
you I have brought cars back
29:13
with scuffed wheels with minor
29:15
dents and I haven't
29:19
because it's especially
29:21
the cars I bring back they represent
29:23
such a good value to the dealership
29:25
because they're so low mileage
29:27
that they'll absorb all those
29:29
costs because they just want to get their hands on
29:31
my car that's a really good
29:33
point to add from triple
29:35
what brands allow one-pay lease can you
29:37
also explain what is a one-pay
29:39
lease what is this term we don't hear it often
29:41
well a one-pay lease is
29:43
just that you make all the
29:45
payments up front and
29:49
I don't know I think most brands
29:51
do allow for a one-pay
29:53
lease and in order to
29:55
encourage you to do a one-pay
29:59
lower the money factor
30:01
might be 10 basis points
30:03
or 20 basis points or 25
30:07
in order to give you
30:09
a cheaper payment because you're paying them
30:11
all up front and they have
30:13
at that point they have nothing to worry about
30:17
get total it doesn't matter all the payments
30:19
have been made the insurance
30:21
company will pay whatever the value of the vehicle is
30:25
a customer ever choose to do a one-pay
30:27
lease what's the because
30:29
well because it's a cheaper
30:33
I never encourage people
30:35
to do one-pay leases because
30:39
after two years you're tired of it
30:41
well you've already paid for it
30:43
you've already paid for that third year
30:45
they don't give it back to you if you turn
30:49
but if you also signed a lease
30:51
contract I guess you could maybe like
30:53
get someone else to take over
30:57
it's got to be up to the leasing company
30:59
it's not yours to sub-lease
31:01
yeah okay it doesn't belong
31:03
to you the only thing that belong
31:05
to you was the payment
31:07
okay and there's other ways to impact
31:09
the payment to get a lower
31:11
interest rate you could do multiple
31:13
security deposits many of
31:15
the active lenders allow for
31:17
multiple security deposits
31:19
so you know most leases today
31:21
are no security deposit
31:23
but if you were to do
31:25
multiple security deposits they
31:27
might lower the money factor
31:29
10 basis points for each security
31:35
awesome our community is space here
31:37
you get a reduced money factor but there's
31:39
the potential risk in case the vehicles total
31:41
need to read the contract in details
31:43
not all one pays are the same
31:45
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32:01
here and then yes not all brands
32:03
do multiple security deposits
32:05
I think it's something to you know
32:07
we're getting into kind of the weeds of they say
32:09
but it's important to understand
32:11
and most brands not all brands
32:15
as part of the acquisition fee
32:17
because there is an acquisition fee
32:19
that a leasing company charges
32:21
for putting the lease together
32:25
the captive lenders
32:27
that acquisition fee whatever it may be
32:31
695 or 995 whatever it is
32:33
but in many of those cases
32:39
on the lease itself so that
32:41
if there is an issue where the vehicles
32:45
the customer don't have to worry about
32:49
difference between what the insurance company
32:51
will pay and what is still owed
32:55
for many of the lease companies there's the
32:57
gap insurance built into it and you don't have to worry about
33:03
many financial services
33:05
which is part of Toyota
33:09
Mazda, Mazda Financial
33:11
I'm sorry Mazda Financial Services
33:13
that doesn't include
33:15
gap insurance and I did not
33:21
if the vehicle were to get totaled
33:23
I would be on the hook
33:25
for the difference between what the insurance company
33:27
would pay and what is still owed
33:31
look into that as well as
33:35
that leasing company provides
33:37
gap insurance if they
33:39
don't you might want to consider it
33:41
Dad let's keep going here through the chat
33:43
this is awesome I'm really enjoying today's conversation
33:47
thanks Rusty over on Facebook can you explain
33:49
the difference between an open lease versus
33:51
a closed lease I don't even know
33:53
what's an open lease and closed lease pops
33:55
well in the old days an open
34:03
was responsible for the
34:07
so let's say you leased
34:09
a vehicle and it had a residual value
34:11
of $25,000 at the end
34:13
of the three years and it turned out
34:17
market conditions were such that it was only worth
34:21
the customer of an open then lease
34:23
were responsible for that
34:31
banks problem not the
34:33
customers problem so
34:35
why would people have done
34:37
opened end leases at one time
34:39
well because you could artificially
34:51
and their company was paying
34:53
for it they might set
34:55
a residual value of
34:57
$100 bucks so in other
35:01
company was paying for
35:03
all the depreciation of that
35:05
vehicle during the life of the lease
35:07
and then at the end of the lease
35:09
since they were responsible
35:11
for the residual value
35:13
and they could buy it
35:15
they could buy it for $100 bucks
35:17
well it was worth much more than that
35:19
so that was a way for people to be able
35:21
to get for instance
35:23
get their company to pay for a lease
35:25
and then they could buy it out at the end for
35:27
nothing but there's very few
35:29
opened end leases today
35:31
so it sounds like open leases are not really a
35:33
thing anymore most are closed leases
35:35
where the bank is the one covering
35:37
the residual value of the vehicle
35:41
okay a couple more here dad
35:43
and then we got to go to core guy
35:45
he has a very very kind contribution
35:47
we've got here from Eric
35:49
can you ground your current lease
35:51
by trading in with a different dealership
35:53
than when you got the first vehicle
35:55
ground the lease and terminate
35:57
and return the lease to vehicle
36:05
let's say you lease the Toyota
36:09
you've decided you've had enough of Toyota
36:11
and now you want a Honda
36:13
so your question basically is
36:15
well can I ground my vehicle at the Honda dealership
36:21
is you can trade it in at the Honda dealership
36:25
you are dependent upon them
36:27
to make sure that that vehicle
36:29
gets back to a Toyota dealership
36:31
and it gets turned in
36:33
and the lease gets terminated
36:39
dealership would have to agree to do that
36:43
would a dealership agree to do that
36:45
in many cases it would
36:47
now you also have to realize that during
36:53
so many customers were buying their
36:59
lenders didn't want
37:01
editors to be able to get their hands on their leases
37:03
they made it a point
37:05
to not allow people to trade
37:07
in their lease cars
37:09
anywhere other than at the brand
37:11
that they leased it from originally
37:13
so to be clear though
37:15
that's this idea of like
37:17
a third party doing the buyout
37:19
of the lease essentially what you were describing is
37:21
will the leasing company
37:23
allow a third party to buy out
37:25
the vehicle move all the money around and all that
37:27
and during the pandemic
37:29
a lot of these captive leasing companies
37:31
even though the contracts had already previously been
37:33
written they went ahead and said no you can't
37:35
okay so I think we experienced that with Honda
37:37
for example so it is something to keep in mind
37:39
here and then there are also dead
37:41
something I don't know if the question has been asked in the chat yet
37:43
we're going to go to CoreGuy next
37:45
but there are also some brands that modified their lease contracts
37:47
to not even give you the option to buy the lease
37:49
vehicle at the end so that's another thing
37:51
that has changed in the post pandemic world
37:57
lease companies took away your ability
37:59
to be able to buy the vehicle at the end
38:01
for the residual effect
38:03
Tesla's for example are Ford with their EVs
38:05
are two of the most notable from CoreGuy here
38:09
I'm working a Mazda Pheave CX90 lease
38:11
it's great value right now considering the
38:13
incentives dealership says it qualifies
38:15
for the $7500 EV tax credit
38:17
but Google says only EVs made here
38:19
are eligible am I about to get
38:21
the rug pulled come time to sign
38:23
all the research we've done says
38:25
that the CX90P have is not
38:27
eligible for the $7500
38:29
EV tax credit so I'm
38:33
on a lease yeah see it's different
38:35
on a lease one of the reasons
38:37
that EVs lease so well
38:39
is it is much easier
38:41
for a lease vehicle
38:43
to qualify for the federal tax credit
38:45
because it's the leasing company
38:47
it is not the customer
38:49
okay and the leasing company
38:51
typically passes that savings
38:57
my suspicion would be
38:59
is that no you're not going to get
39:01
the rug pulled out from under you
39:03
because it's a lease
39:11
on a purchase they probably
39:13
cannot but on a lease they
39:17
it is as if leasing
39:19
fell into a loophole
39:23
allowed the federal tax credits
39:25
to be used for people
39:27
when it came to a lease
39:29
that they would not necessarily qualify for
39:31
if it were an outright purchase
39:35
man there's so many complexities
39:37
when it comes to buying a lease in a vehicle
39:39
this is really really really good stuff
39:41
from Joe here this is an outstanding show
39:43
you need to turn into a Q&A video and post it
39:45
I think we'll do exactly that
39:47
and I think I have a final question here dad
39:49
a different topic going deep like this
39:51
doing Q&A I think it's pretty valuable
39:53
what do you think dad?
39:55
well I kind of sort of enjoy it
39:57
it doesn't necessarily
39:59
garner us the same type of viewership
40:03
of our other daily shows do
40:11
I think there is greater value
40:13
because we are going
40:15
much deeper into a subject
40:17
than we do in many other cases
40:25
and complex at the same time
40:27
and you know I have said this to you
40:29
if you would have asked
40:31
my salespeople as a customer
40:33
well can you explain leasing to me?
40:37
you know most salespeople
40:41
even actually come close to
40:43
understanding the entire
40:45
workings of a lease
40:47
I learned about leasing
41:01
understanding the selling price
41:05
don't age yourself here pops
41:07
don't date yourself
41:09
come on I'm 74 years old everybody knows
41:17
animal bones that we found laying
41:19
around okay that was like
41:23
I have many animal bones do we have here
41:29
if you learn actually
41:31
how to calculate a lease
41:35
you had a greater understanding
41:37
as to how leasing works
41:39
and I'm not going to suggest
41:41
that a lot of salespeople are lazy
41:43
but a lot of salespeople are lazy
41:45
and they don't want to know
41:47
all they want to do is sell the payment
41:49
they don't want to educate
41:51
their customer as to how
41:53
and why the payment works this way
41:55
what the benefits are
41:59
what the issues there could be
42:01
they don't want to go they just
42:03
want to sell the payment
42:05
well you know I don't know
42:07
I believe people are entitled
42:09
to a little more information
42:11
than that so if they have
42:13
a better understanding
42:15
of what it is they're about the son up for
42:17
dad we're getting all sorts
42:19
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42:21
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42:23
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42:25
it feels really good and also from Joe here
42:27
dad pops was selling cars
42:29
when the third brake light became a requirement
42:31
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42:33
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42:37
I was selling cars before they even
42:39
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42:41
okay I might have been selling
42:45
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42:47
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42:49
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