M5 Touring Review; 715HP 911T Drive; Car Thieves!

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All right, on today's show, Zach and I give our review of the BMW M5. Although before we get to that, I must say that it is possible our car was broken, and they will be sending us another one next week.

We also drove the 715 horsepower flat six motor sports Carrera T. It was quite nuts, and we talk about that. But first, I suspect my neighbor has been hit by the Kia boys. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go.

Did I tell you that when I saw, I think I did when I saw Blues Traveler, they came out to America. Fuck yeah. And I started like shouts singing it. And Sarah's stepdad was like,

look at him, you're like, what song is this? Oh, yeah. That's something. Oh, that's so funny. It's now we're now removed enough from that movie that you will confuse people if you're enthusiastic about that song, like, play it.

Right. If someone, if you're in like a town, let's say we're on a shoot somewhere, you know, in a small town in a state that maybe we're not familiar with, and we go to a bar with one of those jukeboxes, and you throw on America. Fuck yeah.

A few people will understand what you're doing and laugh. Like when sad read the fast of the furious speech about, yeah, it's exactly like 10%.

We'll be like, I see what you do there. And then a bunch of other people will be like, wait, what is this? Have I missed? Is this a new Toby Keith song?

What is this? And then it'll turn into eventually it might become born in the USA.

Right. It's a very fortunate son. You know, we're like, I don't know what the second verse is, but like the chorus is right up a lot of people's alley right now.

I mean, the whole song is about America being the bad guy. I'm going to save the motherfucking day. Yeah, about America's being the bad guy. But like, I read we regularly find out that people don't really know what like born in the USA is about or things like that.

Anyway, hi. Hi everybody. It's it's already been a day for me. I filmed three cars this morning. I'm back to my like one take days, except now it's for bring a trailer.

Oh, that's what you did. I had to do a walk around and drive videos with a very nice Panamera turbo, a E63 wagon and a supercharged E92 M3.

The Panamera would be like the sickest daily for somebody. It's got like 118,000 miles on it, but it's really nice shape. And it's like the most unbelievable yacht. I think it's it might literally be yachting blue with a cream like a light cream and blue interior.

Look at this thing is it's specced out exactly like one would spec out a boat. It's it must have matched the first owner's boat. Right. Yeah, it's so there's a picture somewhere of them parked on the deck.

It's a lick debatched as well. So it's kind of sleepy. It's nice. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, super sleepers. Yeah, they're cool.

So that's what I've done today. We're getting ready to go leave for Texas tomorrow. So it's like this is I don't know for me the day before any trip, but some reason this week.

Like it's just a shit show of like I have to tie every loose end before I leave. Yeah, otherwise it's going to be problematic. Yeah, it's like it's the final push and you have to take care of other business things too. Yeah.

And when you have like multiple jobs and the jobs are like yeah, they're car jobs or whatever, but they're not the same thing. Like I have to like finish a road and track column that I'm doing about an electric motorcycle today or electric motorcycles in general.

I have to like we have to do we have to do this what we're doing right now. I have to do those three videos. The second we finish this, I have a team meeting downstairs. I have my my trainer because I can't I have to train the day before we leave because I won't train.

And then after that I have to do like a three car shuttle this afternoon and then pack and like it's like it's a lot. It's a lot.

It's a lot of the end of the day ago. I did so much. I did so much. Yeah, yeah, I'll forget all of it. I'll be like, that's just another day to the end of it. You know, like when you go in a big hike and you're like dying going up. And then by the time you're like halfway back down, you've like pretty much forgotten that you just did the up.

Totally when you get to like your destination hiking and then you just yeah, yeah, that was a lot of work. That wasn't now I'm here, right. Yeah, yeah, had an idea of big hike over the weekend. And it was it wasn't technically challenging. Oh, it was.

Maybe speak, which you did with us once. Not technically challenging, but it's it's enough steep that for a little bit, you're like I could do this, but when it just continues at that.

You know, whatever day 30 30 degrees or of incline, it was like 1400 feet to 1,500 miles. That's just at this consists. It's not like up down and then up and it was just by the end you are you're my like my shins are like toasty.

Do it. Shins in my caps. I went hiking in Colorado. And it was opposed to be a three and a half mile hike. And the only shoes I had were my own at Sukah Tigers, which I've worn like for years.

And I went, yeah, three and a half miles, like that's fine. And we get into this trail is mixed use. It's mountain bike and hiking. And they recently revised it in my family that I was hiking with hadn't like.

They hadn't been on the trail since the the changes. So we walk past this sign that has a gate that says like bikes only these days, but it's on our left one. Okay, we're not going that way like we're going over here, but that's cool they've added that.

So we get to the, you know, 1.75 mile thing we've climbed about 2000 feet, it's gorgeous. We saw deer awesome. And we get to where we're supposed to you turn and come back down a different trail.

And there's a gate and it's closed. And it's like bikes only odd days hiking only even days. And it is an odd day. So we are going.

Oh, we can't. And we didn't know like. Yeah, you're already there. We're there. Yeah, he's like, this was our way back. This is our three and a half mile hike. Yeah.

And so, and we, for a moment, we deliberate like, can we do this? And we look down. It's just, it's just bike tracks. And we know that if, if bikers are on this trail, they think there's no people.

And they're ripping. They're ripping. It's not safe. It's not fair. You get fined. We go, we're not going to do that. We're not going to be the people.

So we had to turn around. And because we had walked down, like basically we ended up doing six and a half miles on my own. It's super tired.

My foot, like the outside tenons of my foot was fucked for eight days, like legitimately had to limp around. Yeah.

You weren't with me when we tried to do in my boat in Connecticut when we had the little boat.

And we tried to go from Greenwich all around Manhattan and back. I was. Were you? Yeah. And then we couldn't do it because the bridge was closed. And Zimmerman was there, right?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We what we did three quarters of the way around the island of Manhattan only for them to be like, sorry, sir, bridge closed.

And I was not sure if we had enough gas to go all the way back. We did ultimately. But yeah, like sherry thing.

Oh crap. Yeah. Imagine that. But toes. Yeah. No, hiking a long way in the wrong shoes is bad. It's fucks you shit up.

It was fine. And then also it really wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. I just a first hike this weekend with my first new pair of.

I've worn the Meryl's like the standard issue fucking Merrill hiking boot for 25 years since they've had it. They're wide for wide feet. They're awesome.

But I was finally like, you know what? Let's try something new. And so I got some Obo's. Oh, I have those. Yeah.

They're very, very comfortable, but they're they're not as wide like they don't have this like the elephant foot like my dumb new balances with the elephant.

Oh, yeah, that's where the trend is out. Yeah. So it's not as laterally good, but it's really, really comfortable this way. Did you get a boot or a trail shoe?

I got a boot. I need a high top. Okay. I need the ankle support. Although mine mine about five years old. And the tread has peeled off.

You've been hiking on. You hike so much. And you've been hiking on one pair of boots. You should be getting new boots. Well, now the tread has fallen off. Yeah.

That's when that's usually my signal is when it starts to peel. I go. That's the time. Yeah. But for I hike a decent amount. So for me, that's like every two years. Yeah. You hike more often than I do.

I just do big trips when I do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We do the day hike like every other week or so. Anyway, hi, everybody. Cars, cars, cars, cars, cars. We went hiking.

I'll I'll segue. Hannah and I took the BMW M5 touring hiking. We drove it up to Malibu. And there is one of those photos is actually that I had is actually us at the at the Malibu Creek Trailhead.

So I can prove there it was approved. I was there. You know, I took that I took that photo not to show the car, but to like time stamp it for if I got a parking ticket. Oh, you know what I mean? You got to you got to get your own evidence. Right.

This car. Yeah, you do. Yeah, it's privatized. Yeah. So yeah. Um, so there's a little 996 c4 s in the background there too. Um, so I'm the M5 touring a certain very famous British journalist, good, good friend of ours. We've worked with and generally trust his opinion.

There's so many nice things about this car. Other journalists that we agree with most of the time have said this car is terrible.

Um, other journalists that we only disagree. They only grew sometimes. It's it's all over the place. People love it. People hate it.

Um, I have to say I'm leaning towards the don't love it side. It it it really doesn't work for me at all, but I didn't want to talk about it until you drove it because I think I would sound insane.

No, no, I look I drove for two days. I did not go to the canions with it. So my experience is definitely limited. Yeah, but in that limited experience, I have not found anything.

Please say redeemable. I I'm struggling to go. I like this aspect. I like that aspect. And it's sure the seats are comfortable, but, um,

it's just there's so much happening. There's a styling thing that the ride we should really talk about because that's not a subjective.

Um, lack of exhaust note is weird. So, you know, you drove dynamically. I drove around town. I drove it mostly around town in a little bit dynamically.

Okay. Yeah. Um, where do you want to start? Okay. Here's here. What I told you and what I think I will stand by is if I were to write a review of this car, what I would basically do is take the review that I did write for the 2013 BMW X5 M.

Change almost nothing and then print it because when you start to go fast, you go, wow, this thing's really heavy and it gets around that corner.

Uh, okay. But like a lot of things that are not so heavy get around the core and like it's like, this is the, the culmination of this spiral of tech to solve weight and weight to solve tech.

Yeah. Right. And now so like around town, like I, I, after the first time I drive it, I don't like to do this, but I'm going to, uh, this time, I texted Jason Camisa.

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I just got the up five wagon. I do not understand how this thing has all of the active ride control on the planet and still rides like a pile of dog shit with no suspension at all.

He said thank you I said what is wrong with this car he said he said so wait he said I just I'm not going to repeat that because that was told to me in confidence I said is this really supposed to compete with Porsche's hydraulic active suspension get the fuck out of here right.

He said I drove it back to back with active ride and it was like driving Fred Fred's toads car versus a rolled Rolls Royce even the RS 6 felt like magic.

I said I cannot believe how bad this is I mean I heard people when they told me but this is really something and he said please make that opinion public.

So you so you told me all this stuff and I get I pick up the car from your house and I drove a minute.

Yeah and I said and I said the same thing you said I mean the car it feels like there is.

Adaptive steering turned on but not in a way that actually really controls the car just enough to make you wonder if a system is on yeah moves like an inch left and right it's very strange.

If you have W's a new gas light steering system they tell you it's not on but it's on and and you positive that this is happening

because it has maybe three degrees of negative camber in the front.

Well and did you look at the front tires too they're on the where bars these hand cooks on this thing.

I don't know where this specific car has been but my guess is a fucking race track a lot.

So like this car could be shot or this car could be some cheater-ass car that they sent to a test that has some crazy alignment in it but it darts all over the goddamn road.

But it but it doesn't move around as much as GT500 or you know C7 Corvette Grandsport like those moved so much like you you felt like you're wrestling the car back especially around here.

This is so minute it's minute but unsettling and inconsistent.

Yes it's inconsistent also and then the ride is this weird like under damped situation right where it does like pogo a bit and it does not float across the land right so ever.

And so like okay like it's got it it's bigger so it's better at every day things I guess right like it has this huge trunk and a huge back seat like it's like the biggest M5 ever.

So like it should be bet like it better it like every day stuff but driving it around town like sucks it just it rides so badly and you have to like wrestle the steering constantly it's so strange.

Lesson makes me think you know Chris says it's great the roads are smoother in most of UK than they are here but Jason lives in a different part of California we've talked to other people I'm wondering if this one has like a broken damper computer or the dampers are broken after someone went to the track.

Because if you put it in dynamic mode and it gets not much stiffer but the body control gets better I mean how could it get any stiffer it's like the spring the springs are you know so but if you put it in dynamic plus which is what sport mode is the suspension does get more controlled because the damper actually starts damping.

It's still really stiff and in my opinion not very pleasant on most roads but it does improve it it's weird that like the normal mode is like unusable and you have to put it so if you bought one you'd make your individual mode or whatever but how weird would it be to have like your individual mode be like comfort powertrain and sport plus suspension that would be the most bizarre.

Very strange individual mode ever and the opposite of every car we've driven pretty much and so I wanted to go back to the conversation I had with Jason for just a second he says the next thing we started talking about wait wait wait okay in related news he says I finally drove the a 110 around a bumpy corner excuse me but what the fuck.

There's a 120 degree right angle with huge bumps that upsets every car most feel like you're going to pop a tire and roll over including the eb-5 Alpied sent engineers to smooth out the pavement first and then rough it back up for everything else after I blew up blew it

that car you know light car just it the bump disappears yep this thing it feels like it happens three times it feels like it makes new bumps like driving from your place to my place that's not that's new bumps it's so crazy I mean only my car moves around this much yeah this is the gas lightiest car events new bumps in events new eight ass features that are that don't exist I think this is this is to go back to what you said like

this is the Bermuda triangle of tech was pulled in tech from all these corners and the result is like this black hole that just takes everything good away it's it's very yeah it's I mean it's super huge it doesn't ride like a luxury car and the M5 is a performance car but it's a performance luxury yeah and this has lost the luxury in my opinion like even if this is faster around a track than a Panamera or an RS 6 who's buying this for a track day you're buying this to drive to the track

to do the track day in your GT three like who are you kidding this date these kind of cars need to ride well bar none no one's going to attract maybe as a goof you do a track day in this as a as a gag I think it's like but like the body it's the body control that's strange because I drove the

type on GTS when I was on Georgia last year like that was a pretty stiff car you know if you're in Georgia with the road just move that's good around here it would be pretty

yeah they were stiff here so that's like setting this into dynamic mode but this seems like it has the control to you know remove all the damper but then this

suspension so stiff but it's it's stiff but it like bounces enough you know like a like a hobby horse thing at a playground because like it's all spring I

know it's really strange craze is a lack of control when you're in comfort mode all right let me be nice about it for a minute it's

ludicrously fast and violent in a straight line did you do like a proper launch and and go through for years warm up between here and there

okay so I I did and it spun all four tires in second gear and from you know 20 20 to about 120 it was like

yeah it mean literally it felt like a hell cat like a like a hooked up hell cat in terms of not just the sound but the

the violence of it it was very very and and I actually think in turn when Jason did his drag race the Panamera was actually

quicker but the Panamera Turbo SE hybrid it's really smooth it's never violent this if you kick everything up to

max and flat foot it it does deliver a violence which I think is much more unique than either the Panamera or the RS6

neither of which are ever that maybe that special edition RS6 but certainly not regularly I mean that was fast but it wasn't violent so like

should you have the occasion to use that like this things it even if it's like a couple tenths behind the Panamera it's still fucking

halls sure halls you would you would really scare somebody and I did actually really scare Hannah in a couple of corners where she said I

can't believe this car just went this fast through a corner I mean so it really it does the thing right it goes through the

corner it you know in the same way a 2009 Nissan GC GTR did the thing but like it to me wasn't ever that fun if this is

now this is that like God hell if Paul Zuckerman came over for coffee right now in E39 M5 yeah and I drove it a hundred yards

around the block I guarantee you I would fall in love like when I went to Japan we went to Japan for drive and I

spent two days driving around that GTR Nismo whatever the fuck black black series Nismo whatever it was the big

wing yeah R34 right no no well the first one is 35 I got 35 press car for a couple of days and then I returned it

and got an R34 and went driver's car you know what I mean like man this ain't it this is there's a thousand

computers in between everything you do in the road and then the other direction to is the regular and I

should look this up as I asked this but is a regular five series wagon you know because the M's have

always been like let's take the the existing thing add some performance and that's the car so is this

it are the problems and aspects of this thing being dictated by the lower five series don't know

where is this because well you got London needs you to have any V and but people still want to go fast

and you know these companies are just being forced to combine everything into a turducken yeah and

this the execution of this is just not great don't know and I'll be very interested to see if there's

a regular five series wagon which I don't actually know maybe we could figure out if there's an

act a regular one and you know BMW owns Alpina now if there was an Alpina version of this that

was tuned for highway that was you know tuned for performance but for highway road performance not

fucking Nurburgring performance I bet it would be rad because the interior I don't hate it I mean

I well I kind of hate it it's a lot of haptics it's a lot of haptics I don't like the design styling

yeah I think it looks like a laser tag arena but but that's me like I would love I really would like

to show it to a 24 year old and be like do you like this because what it what I will say it is

is it is very different inside I do mean that as a compliment you know Mercedes has always has

continued to have these really wonderful like round smooth old school like shapes and things very

like aviation and this goes the other way I mean the what you see on the outside of these hard

angles is mirrored on the inside but it is a distinct so maybe some some people like it well

I'll tell you what driving it around and parking it at grocery stores and you know retail

establishments for a few days people who have never driven it love it they love I mean I love the

color you know I don't like the shape of it but I do like the color of it the fact that it is a

wagon does give it some points but not infinite points yeah but people who saw it at the street at

the at the store fucking loved it so I so there are there are other five series wagons okay not

available here but they do make an electric i5 and you can get that in both eDrive 40 and m60

forms so it's either primarily electric or there's a lot of electric versions so they had the

architecture they had all this stuff so I guess it does make sense that this has that yeah if they

if they did an alpino one that was tuned for ride I bet it would be rad you know and not tuned

for racetracks so I think that goes to would that be are they stuck in this box of m where if they

made it more luxurious yeah be a better car yes given the new criteria for cars yes I think that's

tough yeah and and and to their credit like the actual like hybridness of it isn't bad no no it

has like a legitimate probably 40 mile electric range in the city it has enough power to really if

you commute 15 miles you could never turn on the gas engine but like is that what you're buying in

m54 or something about the Panamera turbo s e hybrid to me and even the Bentley GT I feel like

because they're tuned for comfort are like better as electric like when a car's really stiff

it's being an EV like it doesn't help with that right and it seems like it's not that same serene

experience that you want out of an EV but I will push back that like if the m5 was always this

luxury performance that it was a do everything car right it was just a larger version of the m3

I think it's very cool to have EV mode and then go fast holy shit mode I mean if I'm going to

share a lot of money I the world can do everything for me that is the natural evolution of automobiles

yeah problem is that it adds weight of course yeah a lot of it and so I you know you you wonder if

that versus like some of the the really light hybrids that like the two nine six things like that

where you have like a two kilowatt hour battery that can really just help fill torque but you

don't have this giant pack you need to lug around all those I think for folks like us like dry

you know say drivers yeah that's what we would want I could see you know BMW planners or customers

that go oh I have a Tesla but I also like the M stuff can you put that in one sandwich please

and that's kind of what they've done but the result is I think it's hard to get it right I think

Porsche does a better job it's like fucking it's like a sandwich on man versus food you know

I mean like a certain point you go kind I just I wish there was just less shit on this you know

like yeah you didn't have to put everything in the burrito like that's why I quit the show

it's too much like I don't know I think we need to get out of this fucking spiral because it's

basically an X5M at this point if it was a little taller it would be an X5M it's 700 pounds

heavier than my fucking tycon wagon like come on my tie up my fully electric half the cars

of goddamn battery what year's your tycon again 22 22 it's a it's like my cars like 5,049

pounds or something okay tycon four cross teresmo the m5 is only five inches longer than your car

parking at my garage was very funny you see my photo like I had about two inches on either end and

I got so focused on just making it fit without chopping off the nose this thing with the garage door

and in the backup camera in this car is not great it it has like a parallax thing that makes the

I wish the camera was mounted higher looking down at the bumper because it's very it's more

rearward but then it distorts the side so like all my shelves looked like they were suddenly

800 feet tall yeah and it was very hard to get close to them but once I finally parked I get out

and I go okay it's gonna fit like this was really tight and then I realized that the only outlet

in my garage is that the back wall and I did not have enough room to get there to plug in the

charger to then plug I didn't plan ahead and like run the cable yeah and I just looked at I was

like I'm not moving it again yeah that's another journalist they'll say in the comments as this

it was it totally wasn't a problem but it was a funny thing that happened I'm not moving it again

it was already too dicey if you drive around with the gas engine running it charges itself

pretty fast it it does and I think if you have it in sport plus mode I didn't drive it for an extended

period in the canyons because I have my wife with me and she gets motion sickness but um particularly in

this car um but it seems to me that driving in sport plus unless you're on a race track really

doesn't drain the battery you get the you get the performance of the of the e boost but but you're

not in the pedal long enough to yeah for it to do it and it can it can when you break it can

engine drag and or torque drag as well to to regenerate so I'm gonna go with not for me I think I

think the that Porsche's execution of this formula and Bentley's sub execution of that formula

are substantially better sure I mean the Bentley cost like twice as much it does but it basically

operates it's a Panamera Turbo S underneath it just with its own you know to in fact now I mean

who knows about maybe the next the facelift or the next gen but now the Panamera is probably the

better car with the hydraulic suspension Bentley has an air suspension yeah so like if you actually

want the better driving car you should get the Panamera right now get the magic ride yeah we just

find out if this it maybe the dampers are broken on this thing I hope they are I hope it's not I

don't think the dampers are broken I think and did you feel the by the way the vibration at the

front end and I think one of the tires was flat spotted because there is a vibration above like

60 miles an hour through the steering wheel the tires are super bald all of them I would and it's

possible it has and the inners are significantly more worn than the outers so it this car may have had

an alignment that is possibly more aggressive than what you should have interesting I wonder

did Jason have this at thermal like we knew he was there oh it'd be very funny if he had this

car there it was this very car but it was like this thing sucks and it's because of you yeah it doesn't

say yeah I should check the license plate with with his records you should I'm curious if we have

the same one because if if we have different cars and you guys have the same report then it go okay

this is the problem with the M5 if you guys have the same car I think I'm remaining optimistic problem

with this M5 right exactly I know no it's getting picked up is it today or tomorrow I think it's

getting picked up today well we're I my plan is to ask them to I mean you know one might say it's

it's maybe not quite fair to to like judge the car before we know for sure what the fuck is it

today or tomorrow but it's tomorrow which is good because after the show I need you to drive me home

okay because I have to leave the 9 11 T here because we're leaving oh yeah drive it anymore it's

gonna get picked up should we move on from the M5 and talk about that do you want to talk about

the the car the car at eight yeah yeah all right so yeah the M5 is gonna be a it's gonna be a pass

from me but respect to Chris Harris and also I took this photo of the wheels because I actually

really like them I think I think the wheels are cool I know not everybody does but I think they look

cool but you know if you like that car okay and we're gonna ask BMW if but wait go to that on my

Instagram real quick just look at it next to the tycon on the top right and look at what pretty is

tell me I mean tell me the tycon is not a significantly prettier wagon I agree when I picked it up

at your house I took a photo of each car and I'm gonna put it in my stories like one above the other

because the tycon it's just that's just my style of shape yeah yeah there is a trade off the the

M5 has a bigger trunk the M5 has a bigger back seat but like in terms of pretty gold gold metal

this era of design for BMW we'll see how it ages with people I'm curious but it's not I have

not warmed to it yeah I've got a photo of the 9 11 somewhere oh I shit I didn't post or

airdrop oh you put it on your Instagram the that clapping company out of Florida called flat six

motor sports saw the video we did with the twin turbo came in from a few weeks ago and said hold

up are you telling me that if I send you my car you might be interested in it I said that depends

what the car is and they said well it's a career T manual with a full interior comfort spec and it

makes 715 horsepower and I went that sounds fucking delightful let's go and he said you can

have it for like two weeks shout out to John at flat six motor sports for sending the car

Zach took it up the hill and actually got to drive it back to back with our buddy Misha's

991.2 GT3 touring so has a little direct comparison there I drove it as well a lot actually

drove it on the mountain I I dayly did it for a few days I drove it this morning because I knew

it would be the last day with it and I will miss it because wow what a fucking quality package

we are talking about here yeah so these guys it turns out the the three liter Carrera motor that they

use an all Carrera 992's and 991.2's an earlier version of it has fully forged internals yep and

you know the the base car and then the SGTS they have progressively bigger turbos but they never

get that big and so flat six motor sports puts a 67 millimeter set of turbos on this thing

CSF intercoolers it's got an exhaust it's got a numeric short shift kit they do all in suspension triple

adjustable it has a set of forged wheels and super sticky tires the wheels are plus one plus 20

millimeters all around with and then the entire of the same as a GT2 RS I think yeah they don't rub

they look like they should but they don't which is interesting there is a little bit of that

acrimon happening when you go full lock when you're like backing out of a parking space but the price

you pay for speed if I'm not and then and then it's and that's it's got an M engineering tune and

then there's some other like bits and bobs but like those are pretty much I don't want to say

that's it but like it's not an enormous list of parts it's just some very well chosen and high

quality items yep and a great tune on an on an already very strong engine and uh fuck me

does it go fast it's extremely fast and it's very it's to jump ahead like it's well executed

everything works well uh you know car play all those systems work perfectly but it was really like

the tuning of the engine the power band how smooth it was there were no holes in it there were

no none of those weird valleys yet I mean that's literally credit to M engineering who tuned your

boxer spider yeah like this is what they do they do really good pro tunes and this has a really

good pro tune yeah so it it sounds only a little bit louder than the stock car from the exhaust side

but you do get a bunch of extra turbo whistle yeah a lot it's great it's a lot of turbo whistle amazingly

we as we learned the stock clutch holds this this power stock clutch stock flywheel stock trans

all that stuff yeah according to uh Johnny flat six it's Porsche just overbilled it they use the same

one for sport classic all yeah sport classic which has you know was it five hundred eighty horsepower

something like that but either way it's over engineered so I don't know how long it'll last I don't

know if there's a timeline that's significantly shortened but if Porsche will sell it in a car with

five hundred and whatever horsepower that has five something it's going to be good for like a

couple thousand drag launches right at that you'd you'd have to try pretty hard to fuck that clutch

up if it was at stock level right yeah you'd have to money shift it or do something really really

bad to roast that clutch like you and I know about Porsche clutches and like they don't fuck around

so if they let's just say the lifespan factory of that clutch is two hundred and fifty thousand

miles if you drive it perfectly maybe this one's a hundred thousand and that wouldn't match Porsche's

QC but in the aftermarket a seven hundred horsepower car with a clutch that lasts I'm guessing

a hundred K miles if you take care of it is like more than enough totally yeah that is victory I mean

this is we've added almost four hundred horsepower it's crazy yeah when they told me that they

use the stock clutch and transmission I was at three they've added this over three hundred horsepower

uh goes from three eighty five right yeah so it's almost four hundred and it's just yeah so it's

three hundred yeah right almost four hundred yeah it's it's a lot I mean it's when you when you start

saying it's almost twice yeah no it's a shit crazy it's a shitload and normally what's interesting

about this is because this car is geared longer you know you noted that if the car was left on the

stock powertrain one thing you'd want to do is run short gears yeah and I agree with a lower power

not that three eighty five isn't enough but that would benefit that car yeah in the same way it

benefits my car um but with seven hundred horsepower actually the long gears are right yeah because

you have so much power that the gear doesn't really feel that long you know and if you want to go

you know quick but not bonsai you just drive a gear higher and you still have a huge amount of power

but you're pretty much as low from the engine at three four thousand rpm kind of where you get

that fun bit where every corner you go into the boost and then you come out of it and then you go

back into it like that's different than attacking it in boost all if you tried to drive like that

you can't on a public public road you can't yeah you can't you have to be on a track yeah on a public road

there is it would not be possible to drive this car in boost all the time it's just there it's not

too fast and the power band is really broad I mean peak torque now is like 4400 rpm uh peak torque

and then drag their cars 2000 but well that's what power is like seven grand yeah of course yeah

so you've got a really like really nice big power band to play with in the corners and on the

straightaways peak torque is higher but there's also so much more of it so the question is you don't

have the dyno chart hint no it's okay but the question is like at two thousand rpm even though

that's not peak yeah you're still making about the same or just a little less it was about you're

making about 300 pound feet of torque I believe at 2000 rpm and the stock car it was like 330

that real that makes no difference yes in the real world that makes no difference and then

you know that line goes up and it keeps going it keeps going up yeah no that's that's that's a big

difference um but you know especially comfort seats uh back seat so this one um you know

John this was John's personal car and the suspension was really dialed in for like Florida roads

and tracks so a little bit brutal in the city I would I would crank this thing all the way down to

soft if it was if it was me but like okay do that fine but the fucking the powertrain it it the

only time it ever feels like a tuner car is when it's ice cold I said it to you and you said

I didn't really experience that but it happened to me almost every time when it's really ice cold

over you know overnight sitting for the first 60 seconds you know 60 seconds maybe two minutes

the clutch is like a little grabby and the the throttle tip in is a little like

a little like chokey it can get a little choked up right at the very very bottom tiny stutter

a little a tiniest bit at the very very bottom but like once the engine is to not even operating

temperature just above when the water gets above like you know 100 Fahrenheit not even operating

temperature just like not cold that and and then once the clutch gets not cold that goes away

and then it stays gone for the rest of the day that's the only thing I noticed it made it feel

not because of poor any Porsche even the most highest highest performance Porsche stock you could

start at ice cold and just drive it normally that's like a thing for Porsche there's no like warm up

period for a modern one just feels it feels the same all the time but my car is you have if it's ice cold

you have to let it give it a couple minutes to for things to get the flywheel and shit to get some

heat in them and the oil is like you know whatever and and same as this but this one's better at

that than my car is and the clutch is lighter yeah it's a lot lighter than your car I mean this like

we said stock clutch but it's so this is just amazing because it's so easy to use and it's like

slightly lower than stock but I mean I drove around the street lift so I didn't scrape it on

anything yeah that was fantastic it's got a painted lip too that's a bold move

yeah I took it to the store and ran around it and it just felt like a normal car that looks

awesome because I love the ductile spoiler and then put it in second traction control full on

floor it and you like pay the fuck attention because it like it lights the tires up and steps out

a little bit and that is very interesting um so comparison stuff because I did get to drive it

like Misha showed up at Good Vibes flat six I'll let you know now the cars fine I did let Misha

drive it this man has owned a lot of 700 horsepower cars yeah and he loved it he was like whoa

this he was impressed in every way by the thing and the same realization we have we go is this

gonna be the thing like I was talking to Vin and Akira about it he was supposed to drive it and he

goes man this this might be the jam yeah the fact that you can turn one of these up well beyond

turbo s power levels I mean we're not going on the car indoors you know that all those people

that were buying supras in the early 2000s are now driving portions those are the same fucking people

great point you know what I'm saying yeah I mean this this has like you know beat not b 58 potential

but close yeah you know you had to put bigger turbos on it but this kit was $20,000 which as a

percentage of the car isn't crazy for modifications yeah performance you get is competing with cars

that cost three four five six hundred thousand dollars yeah I mean it's it's essentially the sport

classic experience but you don't have to treat it as an investment great asset and also it's like

better so I drove the sport classic on the launch 570-ish horsepower beautiful car inside and out

like I love the design of it but I remember getting out and just thinking okay like I I really had

to mentally focus on the fact that it's a rare car because the experience didn't feel rare sure

and and I came back to WCCS you guys have like a club sport sitting in the in the warehouse with

the ductile spoiler and I looked at it and I went other than having side intakes with this which

the sport classic doesn't and this not being rare it's turbocharged car it's manual transmission like

it's it's so similar yeah it's light you get that you could get the GTS or the S experience for

like almost the same yeah and I think like Porsche turbos and turbo S is well now they don't feel

as distinct because everything's turbocharged but the the sport classic just lacked that and it's

it's real if you know you know pull in and sure it is wearing the stealth watch it's worth a lot

of money and people know it's rare but if you don't know that then you don't and this from an

experience perspective it's far more exciting the turbo whistle sounds it adds so much theater to it

the handling was incredible the turn in on this is is better than Misha's car the steering

rack is a little bit quicker the turn in was better on the silver car on the flat six car than

Misha's car yeah oh slightly it is a 992 Misha's car is a 991 although it's a GT3 it really what

it felt like is the rack felt five to ten percent quicker you're not probably a little bit and

Misha's car the the the GT3 touring off of center there's like that moving the wheel left and

right one inch let's just let's just say it requires two pounds of pressure feels pretty light it's

not dead but it's so light you go is it actually moving the nose and on the on the new 911 or so on

the 911 T there was like none of that slack it was just instantly moving the front of the car so

that made it feel a little bit more focused and then you know the power of the way they deliver it

is totally different yeah which is you have to rev this not out of and that sound will never

get old that car is a forever car for anybody that has one it should be whereas I could see someone

driving the 911 T and after a while you get that that GTR tolerance where you go okay I'm used to

the power but what an amazing value for performance and it really highlights like how good the T is

and you just add power to it and the chassis stays good yeah it's kind of it's if you can already

get a T it's like kind of a no-brainer I might if it was me I might not do I think they make a kit

that's like six hundred horsepower and uses a slightly smaller turbo they do and that yeah like

that that with the manual to me I don't think the difference between oh yeah so the 700 uses

the pure 800 turbos yeah so like you could you know the 625 for a street car that really gets you

that's a fast fucking car and you don't have to change the turbos it's or you can use the OEM

turbos well it looks like the 600 you have to use the S or GTS right right but but like you know

I mean not that I don't trust a high quality aftermarket turbo but if I can if I can go from

400 horsepower to 625 using OEM parts I got that's fucking that's money right there dude you know

what I mean I totally get it yeah and you don't need their inner cooler although they recommend it

yeah you'd get the why I trust to see shout out the CSF dude I I love Josh's CSF that dude rules

he makes a high quality product and that guy is an excellent individual I was just saying it

looks like it's not required but it's recommended so you know kit slightly cheaper yeah but if it's hot

out you get the inner cooler oh definitely you just get that you know for your jacket which

this owner goes and then but you and you can do this starting with any Carrera you could start with

an S or a GTS or PDK you know whatever like you can put it on any car so like I might not do it

on a cab like fucking twist the chassis oh that's true yeah but you could have I mean dude imagine like

the sleeper like Targa like touring car you could set up quiet exhaust and just fucking

thing that is 600 horsepower great target turbo basically well ease car has a roof tune on it

and and and that kind of stuff so it's like five something and it's a stick and it's sound it's

actually sounds pretty much just like this car I mean look this thing you can get a tune you make

480 horsepower goes to 510 I mean this the engines have a lot of potential in them yeah I think

what came away just to sum up is every aspect of this car in my opinion was elevated and worked great

I thought the suspension it was stiff for LA but if you live where it's smoother the oil and

the road and track stuff like I watch their flat sixes video like they did a lot of testing on

shaker rigs to try to set it up well and the brakes felt great they're iron disc but oh yeah

they're PCCB calipers yeah and you just take out yeah you put different steel pads and rotors

yeah so they're a little bit bigger I like the shifter I know you didn't like it but I thought

no it's not true it's not I didn't like it in town it's not I didn't like it I just wanted to point

out that one of the lovely things about the T is the lightness of every control and the numeric

short shifter it makes the seven speed more direct the trade off is the weight of the shifter

and the wider tires at the front make the turn in better the trade off is the steering gets

a little heavier so it's just like one of the many good things about the regular

career T that are changed with this package true and it narrows the focus a little bit away

from daily driver and a little bit more towards weekend track or canyon car and like that's okay

if that's what you want it's just like a thing to point out because people like particularly like

spike and zuckerman and like that whole crew that typically really like stock cars and not

tuner cars one of the things that they repeatedly talk about and that I've felt from very special

factory porches is the very special factory porches tend to get faster and faster and faster without

the controls getting any heavier which is kind of like the clutch on a GT3 or ST is so light

and so when it when a car starts to people talk about it feels like could be factory or it feels

like it could be it's not it's feels like a tuner car it doesn't feel when people say a lot a lot

about their tuner cars especially porches it feels like like Porsche could have done it

if the weight of the controls is heavier than it was when that car left the factory it doesn't feel

like Porsche would have done it they wouldn't have done that they would have found a way to keep

the lightness of the control but still have the car turn in better like have you driven GT2 RS

yeah how does the steering feel on that car it's it's not like heavy it's not like this like they

reprogram the steering force the wheels on it so it matches right interesting yeah it's like the

like I think it's the same with like my take on like the steering is a little heavier because I

have these wider wheels but you're you're very heavy on your tie kind it is yeah but if you got

the turbo that came with these wheels it would calibrate it yeah okay that'd be good back to back

if we ever see someone has a tie on turbo yeah we could find one I'm sure uh we have to find

the right the matching year right that's yeah um but like it's again it's it's not a point against

it's just a thing that narrows the focus from the car that is otherwise one of the most flexible cars

on the market you know um but I loved it yeah don't want to give it back I know this is going to be a shame

make me want to shop for 911 T's at some point I know um I think uh and they have a kit for

the 991.2 T just makes a little less power I think yeah I think they said the head design is

different yeah 992 so it flows a little more air um so yeah anyway that's a that's a pretty sweet

little fucking package there if you're willing to go water meth you can get even more power but

water meth is annoying yeah it's not worth it yeah and uh and I was texting with Mitch from M

engineering about how much I enjoyed the car and he's like oh we've got some other stuff you might

like um and he's like I've also got an extra like 911 Carrera S sitting here he's like I kind of

want to build it into like a drag cars like is anyone ever run nines in a base like a base

career like a non-turbo and he's like I don't know you want to try he's like I'll build it if you

want to drive it I was like yeah yeah do that yeah cool that'll be fun so we can see if we get a

career at a run nines that'd be pretty fun yeah I did it quick google I'm sure everyone's oh wait

has someone done it APR made a career T run 9 wow really yeah that's pretty really wow

that's pretty sweet go APR nice job all right Mitch you heard it here Mitch you got to beat APR we

need to we need to we need to fucking Carrera run nates baby yeah they ran a 9.917 okay and then

some other runs as well I gotta say that sounds beatable uh yeah you got to run 9.8

7.7 sounds very beatable low nines and then you're saved low nines does it yeah let's go low

nice let's fucking go um anyway that's uh that's a fun one uh before we go to the the people um do

it I got a text from my neighbor this morning real early uh some creepers were creeping through

the neighborhood and rolled up to his house and tried to get into his ionic five whoa and that

that he there were three cars in his driveway uh Subaru the ionic five and a classic land rover

defender under a cover a really nice one and they they just cruised up check the ionic and then

went and then left just that car they also I checked my cameras and you know 30 seconds before

they drove past my house stopped till none stopped but went to like one mile an hour because there

was two porches in my driveway the silver one and the tycon and they stopped and then kept going

so these fools are rolling around the neighborhood in an oh one to oh four Hyundai Sonata which I

was allowed able to identify from camera um only checking Hyundai's hmm I think it's the

key of boys dude oh you think this the usb trick works on the ionic I don't know I can't I mean

I don't know if it does and they and they know something or don't know something but what kind of

fucking who rolls around a neighborhood and the only car that they stop to check is an ionic five

uh let's see some reddit says unfortunately it's pretty easy to steal an ionic five

oh yeah AI says this is AI granted um oh like inside EV's a Hyundai ionic five and key that EV6

are newest victims of the game boy hack yeah this is a year ago the key of boys sorry

huh baby that's what I told you they he showed he pulls out the video he sends me the video they're

trying to get in his car and I go yo they only went for the Hyundai and then they go they drove

by my house with two porches in the driveway they didn't even come like look in the cars it's like

that's the fucking key of boys a hundred percent dude it's like let's see uh that's crazy

to steal a connected car though right so here this is from inside EV's technically the device

is an emulator it's a bunch of radio transmission software stuffed into a shell like a game boy

by someone in europe um and then uh compatible with them it works uh once the car is woken up by

touching the door handle and activating a handshake protocol between the door and what would be the

owner's key fob the program then activates the emulator which starts to talk to the car and the

device tricks the car into thinking it's a legitimate key by using an algorithm that eventually

calculates the right code usually in a few seconds if it takes if it takes longer the thief can put

the device in their pocket and wait for it to vibrate to signal it found the code and store it

for you so if his car goes missing no way so we could have just he could have just done the handshake

bit and now he's going to come back later and take it very possible wow so now what do you do

I don't know in this moment I don't know I got a car you should call him you should do

with his he has his good cars are in the garage dude it's like nice shits in the garage oh um

I don't know he he should call Hyundai honestly he should say hey this happened I know

he's a problem oh so that's definitely what these guys are doing yeah I wonder if it was like

they couldn't get it right now so we'll just like you know come back later very possible like

I don't know if you know some cars they said you start putting the key in a fair day cage in your house

yeah well I someone told me that now I do it now all of our fucking shit goes straight in the

fair day box because they because I saw video like thieves would walk towards the house with a

bunch of wire yeah which is basically an antenna yeah it would talk to your key grab that data and

then everyone sees it by the front door sure so we had to like move our keys to somewhere else but it's

still like if you were at the front of the house and your device could go through the wall like

you could it's still like my house isn't that deep so anywhere would do so yeah we got the

fair day box and hopefully it's a real fair day box I got it on team moves so I don't know it's

actually sending it to somebody that's great scraper device if these made the the fair day device that's

that's for the chest right there oh but I got to tell my I got to tell my homie yeah that's

definitely the move oh shit we have to review the footage because there's no way they're like I'm

just gonna see if this is unlocked and then steal an iPhone like the doors have the pop out right

no it's not open right so this is what they're doing they drove down the street and just only hit

that one car and they so they probably were admiring your cars because they

yeah yeah yeah it wasn't that's fucking dope yeah maybe and then they were like all right let's go

roll and look for some Hyundai fuck yeah what it's wild driving a Hyundai if they were driving a

Hyundai they probably stole yeah using the USB yeah yeah because they're yeah they're driving stolen

cars for that stuff it's just amazing that after all Hyundai has been through with the USB

key-a-boy thing they got this whole new electric architecture and wouldn't you fucking know it you

know it it's crazy stealing a connected car is like a wild thing to do well according to

article they basically steal it drive away then they rip out all the GPS stuff and then you know

they throw it in a container somewhere so I think you have to catch on quick yeah like throw an

air tag in your car tell your neighbor to do that too yeah yeah area somewhere like multiple yeah

like five six airtags are all over the car you know the last six months but like yeah put them

somewhere that's really hard to get to yeah damn all right yeah shout out to the key-a-boys get

really getting it done you know I love a I love a go getter I love someone who gets it done

entrepreneurial but yeah I watched a video about that they were selling like it was like 15

year olds were this is one area 15 year olds would steal the Kia then they would sell it to gang

members in their neighborhood for like a hundred dollars because they'd be used to commit a crime

and you're like this is so much risk for and I get it opportunity blah blah like that's a lot of

money to a lot of people I understand but I was just shocked at how cheaply how little you were

getting these people are under valuing valuing themselves yeah they're good brand new Hyundai they

should form a union these things are going for three forty nine a month the key-a-boy should form a

union and sell the cars to the gang members for five hundred dollars because you're helping them

escape felony because what are you going to do is your own car no you don't know do you have a

game boy no key-a-boys let me represent you to the local neighborhood council all right I got

a can we pause I got to call my neighbor no wait I don't think they're coming at 10 30 in the

morning unless they are maybe maybe that's the move they used to when people would go to work

and I think now people work from home W F H baby yeah W F H right let's go to the people

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uh honker bonker boinkie doinkies is that the best one no okay that's pretty good uh I know

you've made friends with foreign automotive journalists over the years curious what have been the

funniest stereotypes about your home country that have ever been oh uh I mean so most of the people

that we've hung out with are like pretty well traveled they're not like surprised by america I

find that british automotive journalists when they come to visit america tend to get like

ram 1500 press cars just for the novelty of driving a giant truck around.

Harris did it Porter did it yeah um I mean uh but no I actually find that most of our the foreigners

that that that the interact the interactions they have with with us are generally very positive I

think I would like to think but yeah no one um no we've never been like I haven't met anyone who's like

you know this is my first time in america and I really am surprised by this so I mean at least

within that circles I'm sorry I don't have a better answer um Kurt met the Kurt May says uh oh

there's talk with kom easy the other day resparked my interest in the c4 corvette move in markets baby

is the premium of the zr1 worth it over a later model lt1 with z51 or the optional lt4

I mean zr1s are always going to be zr1s you know so in terms of like how it drives just pure

driving experience zr1s a four cam engine it's not a that's not a like a push rod so it feels very

different from a even bigger push rod engines unique in the corvette space that way until the current

06 so like it's also like the zr1s like literally wider like they it's very interesting because it's

not a wide body they cut down the middle and widened it from the middle so that's like a different

thing that only the zr1 has I do think a zr1 premium is worth it because it's not that much

it's not like a regular corvette's 15 grand the zr1 70 it's like 15 and 35 like yeah it's probably

worth it because you probably get you you'll get a better percentage of it back on the other side too

right it's always going to be a zr1 right um

um

Ridae Sebal hope I didn't butcher that recently acquired a LC 500 convertible as a holdover while I

wait for my target GTS allocation over the last few months I've fallen in love with it

would it be better to take the 100k difference after you option the target put it in a more fun

lightweight sports car as a two-car solution I'm 32 and I can't drive stick so considering

buying a vehicle with a manual for that purpose if you have room to just keep that car

and it's not a financial hardship I would say yes mainly because for a hundred grand you could

get like a portion you get another portion yeah yeah um you get a really good portion uh an old

one a new one boxer yeah I mean you get a bunch of shit I mean and if you want a different

experience you could get um mid-engine cars I mean um you know a hundred grand might even might

even get you into a manual swapped Ferrari or an old Ferrari 328 or 348 you know you get

something really interesting um that would be you know a couple times a month car maybe instead of

an everyday car um yeah I would say uh that LC 500 is gonna last year really long time

it's not gonna age much um and I don't think financially it would be wise to sell it a year

after buying it that's probably the worst time to sell that car the longer you hold it the better

value it will be and if you really like it and you keep it then you could rotate your sports cars

with that hundred grand for sure being locked in this 992 target GTS that's going to depreciate for

a while and then you have that one thing I think this is a very fun idea I think it's a better plan

yeah I think it's a better plan and there's lots of lots of manual transmission options from

from Porsches to Shelby GT 350s to Corvette's to I mean you know pick your get it out you can get

a hundred grand it's your fabulous Acura NSX you know or the whole bunch of different stuff uh

Gated is great Gated Maniel yeah it's spelled G-A-E Ted Maniel Gated Maniel oh Gated Maniel

Gated oh shit I didn't put that together but thank you two cars I would purchase if they had

manuals were the Ferrari 458 and and 718 spider RS assuming factory level conversions were

possible what which would benefit the most from a manual transmission and why uh probably the Ferrari

actually just because they they didn't have anything with a manual transmission there whereas

you could buy any number of other camons and spiders that do have manual transmission. Oh yeah the

Ferrari the more rare it's more special yeah I mean yeah I think I think if you if you could find

a way and that dude Jeff Siegel did to make a manual work in a 458 yep that one it because it's

just that's an experience that would not be available anywhere else at any price yeah just got

to recalibrate the ECU for that yeah you know so rev matching isn't impossible right um I could

already I could tell you without driving it what a spider RS with a stick would be that wouldn't

be a new experience for me like it would be a cool thing that they that they could sell that and

people would buy them uh and I think it would be probably for a lot of people the more desirable

option but like I could tell you without driving one I can write you the review of that car right

now whereas I could not write your review of a manual 458 I have no comparison yeah so that's why

right country night school that's where fucking so many of my friends ended up

really uh is that not literally no no it's like um it's actually it's funny that it's funny that I

spent whatever 12 years there and no one ever made that joke it's funny that that never came

up as an actual joke um the joke is I went to my right country day school was my high school at

middle school in high school but um uh no they uh they really had a habit of kicking people out

for for things as but you know for not having good enough grates or for getting too many

detentions for like really minor stuff they would kick you out and so um everyone ended up for the

most part you know just fine even those who got kicked out a lot of them would fail upwards

they'd get kicked out and end up at chote or deer field that's like that legit happened all the time

they're diluting the pool of students there yeah here at rye country day school we want to keep

things high quality one of my home he's got kicked out ended up going to a boarding school in

Maine called gold where they would go to class in the morning and fucking ski the second half of the

day and snowboard that's how it was on Sunday river the mountain in Maine and he got he was in like

competition level snowboard it was rat it seemed amazing yeah that seems like a real fun day yeah

yeah how was the education versus he turned out fine all right great all right anyone uh what is uh

what is one car from history that you would make indestructible and have a brand new one right now

for i 355 sure yeah it's it's was is it the most expensive for i to maintain and it's it's not

them it's not it's not enough i think the f 50 and the f 40 or a little more it's sure but it's

third it's third to that and for being a quote entry level for yeah insanely expensive to maintain

uh that would be a great one that would be f 355 gts uh euro steering wheel non airbag

gated manual give me green over camel yeah yeah all day roth v um okay my friends i go driving

within the mountains have a c seven grand sport a nine nine seven career at an m two uh looking

yet a sports car to hang with them around 400 horsepower isn't ideally okay wait does not

want a Porsche bmw or general motors vehicle under 75k i see shell bgt 350 r yep took the

words out of my mouth i see gico super because that's bmw that's bmw engine right i would say

uh not gm um gm because cattalax would be would be awesome but outy rs 3 would be a fun one

that's a real fun car out of you i think that that would be a lovely car uh like a 2018 c63 AMG

those are underrated at the driver's house yeah the the um only drove from carbons the s the

performance pack s one was kick ass yeah those are a really good time oh can you get coupe sedan convertible

pick one yep can you get AMG gts for 75 grand now oh probably early ones maybe an s you definitely

need an s you don't want to base like really one's really good i like you do better you might be

able to get into an r eight uh for 75 grand it's gonna have miles on it yeah a lot of miles on it

will it be an early one also uh f type yeah f type or 75 grand gets you the nicest f type r on

the market you'll be the loudest car in the group that's actually that's that's what you want

an f type r would be the right choice to hang with this crowd you'll definitely have the loudest

car yeah you'll have the most horsepower uh the later ones have all we'll drive if you are worried

about a short wheel base car the earlier ones have rear wheel drive those are those are very

expensive yeah yeah that's what i'm at just the tip tronic ah that's good um

did you see the news that the california dmv is seeking a 30 day sales suspension

for unrealistic autopilot full self-driving claims uh is wait is that true is that story there the

dmv is looking does it mean like like you can't buy a Tesla for a month in california

that would be hilarious i bet they're saying that Tesla can't sell the self-driving

feature that's like that's my guess but i'm gonna look it right now okay yeah that makes probably

more sense uh but it would be funny if Tesla actually saw a consequence for anything i don't think

it will happen uh certainly under this administration uh let's see but now that 30 day Tesla sales

suspension oh wait the uh okay uh california alleges that the largest EV manufacturer

mislead well yes that is that is true um oh yeah the dmv is angling for a 30 day suspension of the

automaker's license to sell EVs in california while the courts hash out whether fines or retribution

should come next well i mean they have they haven't been convicted yet that would be the punishment if

they are you know it's california gets it's not convicted but what's the if the judgment is if

the judgment is levied against them right so it wouldn't just be the feature it would be the car

is what they're seeing is what they're seeking uh and then scene hats like what could what does it

mean for you it's like you'll have to look at other cars that means you can't buy a Tesla yeah okay

that would be very funny i'd like to see that i don't think it'll happen uh under this

major in california sold elsewhere yeah um um um just the whistle tip says that i i've brought up

negotiations and the dealership model being challenging for some consumers uh what would your

realistic ideal be for the market how do we have fair consumer protection and economically

viable ways for oem's to move units dude i have never sat and thought about how i would fix the

dealership model um i mean i i think a very robust and impartial system of regulation you know

could be put into place but i don't think that that would really happen anytime soon um obviously

you can interfere with the company's uh ability to make money but like it's not like it's not like

it's not like the the direct to consumer model is like better like people feel like it's better

because they don't have to haggle right but that doesn't mean the price isn't they're not always

getting the best price it's just it's moving all over the place so i i don't i don't really know

i i don't know the solution either i just i i would like a world where if you and i both go into a

dealership one hour apart our price for the same car is the same thing yeah and i i know that

regional prices have to change because that's supply and demand that's economic differences etc but

if we live in the same place and if you haggle better or worse than i do and our price is different

yeah that's what i think sucks yeah so so the dealership can set the price to whatever they want

but this this negotiation thing that has to happen it's probably one of the only industries that

it happens and it's because it's been built into this it's the practice for decades and decades

so it's hard and and the the Ford store up the road here is competing against the Ford store in

Santa Monica and the Ford store in Sherman oaks and whatever for your business if they're not all

just Ford dealers they're standalone businesses that are competing with each other not with other

car makers so i mean unless you had like all factory owned i mean look the fact is people are more

satisfied with tesla and rivians model that doesn't have that even if that doesn't necessarily

mean they're getting the best price their experience buying the car that way people don't complain

about it to me the same way they complain about dealers so they say they say when when you meet someone

people don't always remember what you said but they remember how you made them feel so if they go

to the dealership and they feel like they got fucked or the the salesman is aggressive or they

do although i'll talk to my manager if they don't make you feel like you're getting a good price

you can only it's hard to go up or sorry hard to feel better yeah but if the price is just

on this thing you hit this app you go that's what it is i accept that that's what it is and then

they're going to feel better about that experience yeah um so i mean maybe it maybe it's true that

direct to consumer um and non franchise model is better because the consumer is happier even if

it's not necessarily financially better for many people sure or the listed the listed prices of the

price like you know grocery stores in different areas might have different prices but the tag is

there and that's what it is but it's the whole way well we could do a little something sure

yeah yeah uh that's true two people who buy a Tesla on the same day are getting the same price right

but uh a lot of people were trying to sue Tesla for buying cars and then Tesla dropped the price

a bunch like within a couple months instantly devaluing their residual by like a ton so like

people do still get mad when Tesla changes the price even though the two people who went in on that

day might have paid the same price true i think those are different things though right different

situations i mean there may have to be you know a regulation that says you can only change

prices by this much from one month to the next but i i don't see how that would ever get through

with American capitalists congress i agree uh eight and squires says i'm biased oh

i'm biased for wagons and sedans over SUVs but at this point it feels like the x5 m is a better

car than the m5 touring it's lighter more focused it looks better and is more practical uh

which car do you think provides a better value probably the x5 honestly um i don't have much

argument for that but i think the x3 m has a much better value proposition than either of them

woolly thought car that's pretty funny um i've seen new EV chargers mark down into the 30s

uh when your car depreciates 40% before you even test drive it that might be seen as a problem

uh how does dodge come back from this when their other cars are rebadged alpha known once in a

darango so old it could be classified as a tusk well that's problem i would say that's a huge

problem uh i mean ram is bringing back the v8 you know their their customers did not want six

cylinder trucks and they're bringing it back and i think they have a an incredibly friendly government

that has just determined that the fines for breaking cafe rules will be zero so don't be surprised

if the fucking hellcats back baby you know hellcat 2.0 is probably in the works i mean the charges were

discounted even before that was announced yeah because they just weren't selling well and and once

that happened i mean that might be the nail in the coffin for a long time at least yeah um should

my dick trickle go on that's all right uh just picked up a film camera uh and i want to start shooting

cars tips for film recommendations for shooting cars um well just like uh the cars you're shooting

you should want the film to be sufficiently high speed particularly if the cars are going to be

moving for shooting action if it's shooting cars in a car show in broad daylight you could go with

100 ISO uh or even 50 ISO if you want very rich colors uh but if you're going to be shooting cars

moving um on a race track or on a road then you probably want 400 or 800 ISO film uh particularly

if you're going to be doing it in golden hour um so you can actually get get that light uh get that

film exposed uh to the light rapidly um um uh i don't have the answer to off-piece uh maybe

somebody in the patreon comments can answer them they they want to know if they want a manual

Ford Bronco but it only comes with the small motor if i get it will i not regret getting the

larger six cylinder engine with the auto i've never driven a four cylinder Bronco so i don't know

the kid did on the launch i mean yeah it's a lot weaker but if off-piece main purpose is uh you know

doors off beach wagon teach your your son or sons to learn to drive a manual transmission

i think that's more valuable than having a more powerful engine like it's it's a beach car

you're cruising it's fine you know and it's not like a performance vehicle so if everything

else about the Bronco if you like everything else about the Bronco other than that engine then

get the manual and be happy and teach your kids to drive yeah um d-shum 911 thoughts on the newer

style pdk shifters uh in the gt cars that try to mimic a manual look i don't is that true i don't

know if they try to mimic a manual look i think it's the shifter from the old six speed

or seven speed gear box that the gt cars use yeah so i think that's what they're saying instead of

having the it doesn't have silver one with the button and stuff now it's like it does look

it's like the same exact shape and they print the little yellow letters on it yeah i yeah i

maybe it is trying to mimic the look i don't really think see it that way but okay fine um

oh they want to put one and put one in your came in gts 4.0 or is it kind of posterish

yeah i know it's posterish it's one thing if porcia sells it that way it's another if you try and

do use it to like mimic that i would say it's posterish i think if he has a pdk car yeah then

should he change out the pdk shifter i think if it looks good i don't care it's like changing

the steering wheel yeah i think the shape is fine yeah so if if but if make sure like the print

matches like i don't know sometimes porcia matches font to font and there's a reason they chose

one versus the other but if you like the way it looks if you can photoshop it or see someone that's

done yeah go for it it's just an aesthetic thing yeah make sure this shifter works though

that's yeah i think there's a reason porcia did it that way just make sure like all the computer chips

work yeah who's the who's the pc small coupe funny uh could you put a gated manual in any car and

achieve the same effect or is there something special about the cars that were built for them

well uh yes and no i mean you could there are people who have engineered gated

shifters for meadas and other stuff and you do get that clack clack clack that's like pretty

satisfying but at the same time a lot of the the cars that have gated manuals from the factory are

like pretty exotic experiences to begin with and it's part of the overall package and if the

if the engines revs and the throttle and the clutch pedal and the the weight of the flywheel

and the timing of everything is such that going through the gates that exactly the right speed

results and exactly the right rev matching here and there and it all feels right and cohesive

that's something you're not guaranteed to get by converting another car to manual

you're gated yeah excuse me to gated i'd also say that there's something about like the springs

and bushings in gated for our as i've driven that's unlike any other manual even if you took the

gate off like even the click clack is there but there's a a sensation to the action that you could

not replicate yeah um let's see christian last one uh and then we have to go uh is good wood festival

speed worth going to or best viewed on youtube uh considering going next year and would like to

hear about the logistics of getting there and where people stay um well uh is it worth going to

i mean i suppose like that depends on what level of hardship it would take you to get there if it's

if you're the kind of person that that regularly does like car vacations um i think it's a good

opportunity for a car vacation um it's a fun weekend there's a lot of cool cars and those cars aren't

just on display they're like ripping up the hill yeah and you can get or you can walk around so many of

them in the paddock like you can yeah you can be four inches away yeah like some of the most the

rarest most incredible cars on earth yeah um and and it's a lot of fun um there's plenty of

available food and beverage it's pretty well organized um there's you know you get a parking pass

and there's parking you can you could get a um a caravan or an RV and you could stay on site in an RV

spot there's you know it's in kind of the middle of nowhere so there's not a lot around i mean we

stayed in one of the closer hotels and it was still a 15 or 20 minute drive so yeah if you're

really gonna go i mean book your hotel or Airbnb or whatever situation you know early yeah um

and you also need to get make sure you get a parking pass not just tickets otherwise you're uh uh

there might be shuttles from other places i'm sure there are probably but but you just want to

be able to go and leave whenever you want probably i thought it was it's fun if you're if you're

either live in that part of the world or you were traveling there anyway timing it i think it's

really fun and then special um the driving part like or sorry watching the cars drive up the hill is

cool but you only see them for a tiny moment so because this person asks is it better to experience it

on youtube youtube you don't get to walk around the cars you don't get to see all the famous people

into drivers hanging out like i think it's worth going to i think it's pretty special yeah you can

like you're bumping heads with people like with with real legit legendary drivers and stuff um but

i would i wouldn't fly to there just to do it i would do it as part of a bigger trip yeah um

sorry we have to end this one uh at 90 minutes i have some work obligations i have to do before we go

to texas um hopefully that went well Zach we'll save the rest we'll save the rest of the questions

for uh for another show and uh we'll see you guys soon thanks bye

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