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Max Verstappen at the Nurburgring 24 Hours! | The Car Podcast #88

Max Verstappen at the Nurburgring 24 Hours! | The Car Podcast #88

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Number 88 kicks things off with DeLorean time-travel speed and a bit of motorsport numerology, before the conversation turns philosophical: “Is a driverless car still a car?” They weigh driverless design, driver aids, and how much interaction defines the experience. The show then snaps back to racing—Max Verstappen’s Nürburgring 24 Hours impact, the race’s density and incidents, and how a broken drive shaft ended his run. They also look ahead to a live Nürburgring podcast next year.

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Car

Delorean DMC-12

"... significant? Because it's the speed at which the DeLorean becomes a time machine, isn't it? Why was 88 chos..."

The DeLorean DMC-12 is a sports car that became famous through movies. In Back to the Future, it’s connected to a speed of 88 mph. That’s why people talk about why the number 88 matters.

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driverless car

"A driverless car is specifically designed not to have a driver."

A driverless car is a car that can drive itself. Instead of a person steering and controlling it, the car’s computer does the driving.

Car

Jaguar Ipace

"It could be a modified version like the Jaguar I-Pace thing, which is a bit weird."

The Jaguar I-Pace is an all-electric Jaguar SUV. Here it’s mentioned as an example of a car that could be changed to work without a human driver.

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driver aids

"I think this is quite a profound question and there's a little continuum that we should think about, which is driver aids."

Driver aids are features that help the driver. They can make driving easier or reduce how much the person has to do.

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power steering

"And then just think about driver aids, but even think about sort of little subtle driver aids like power steering."

Power steering makes the steering wheel easier to turn. In this discussion, it’s used to show that even older helper systems don’t remove the driver’s role.

Car

BMW M4

"... thing, which apparently isn't a touring. It's an M4 coupe with bodywork stuff. It's not a touring cha..."

The BMW M4 is a high-performance BMW coupe. It’s built to be faster and handle more aggressively than a regular BMW 4 Series. The podcast is pointing out that it’s a coupe, not a wagon/touring type.

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broken drive shaft

"[819.5s] Did he win? [821.7s] No, sadly. [827.7s] Technical problem. [829.6s] Broken drive shaft. [831.0s] I think it's a really good point."

The drive shaft is like a power-transmission rod that sends engine power to the wheels. If it breaks, the car usually can’t drive properly anymore.

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balance of performance

"either he's not as great as he thinks he is or his balance of performance was out compared to what else is."

Balance of performance is how race organizers try to level the playing field between different cars. They may add weight or limit power so one car doesn’t dominate just because of its design.

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drive shaft failure

"If it hadn't been for a drive shaft failure, they would have won. They were ahead."

The drive shaft is the part that sends power from the gearbox to the wheels. If it fails, the car can’t put power down reliably, and in a race it can cost you the win.

Car

Lamborghini Aventador

"Max, basically, as far as I could see, [1054.5s] he basically almost re-rented an Aventador, didn't he? [1059.5s] He rubbed against the back of a Lamborghini."

The Lamborghini Aventador is a very loud, very fast supercar with a big V12 engine. Here it’s brought up because the racing action was so intense that cars were getting very close—so close that it sounds like they were rubbing.

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gradient change

"The other thing that I wasn't aware of is the gradient change. [1080.9s] It's massive. [1082.0s] You can see it from the outside,"

A gradient change just means the track goes noticeably up or down. That can change how the car grips the road and how hard it feels to brake or accelerate, especially at a track like the Nürburgring.

Concept

Nürburgring

"I'd say your knowledge of the corners, [1089.0s] how many corners are there at this Nürburgring? [1092.4s] I count them, 150, 170."

The Nürburgring is a very challenging race track with lots of turns and big ups-and-downs. The hosts are basically saying it’s so busy and twisty that the racing feels almost unreal.

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Marshall boards

"They're 186 Marshall boards or something. [1100.7s] Unbelievable. [1101.8s] The density of cars, the number of corners, the gradient,"

Marshall boards are signs around the track that mark where safety marshals are stationed. Bringing them up is a way of saying the Nürburgring is broken into a huge number of sections.

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GT3

"Occasionally, we've seen incidents of GT3 drivers, the front competitive class, ending up quite unpleasant and avoidable accidents for slow cars."

GT3 is a category of race cars used in many endurance events. They’re race-prepped versions of normal cars, and because they’re fast, they often have to deal with slower traffic on track.

Car

Dacia Logan

"...got to get through this, the slow cars, the Dacia Logan finished, had a bit off track, a bit at the end t..."

The Dacia Logan is a low-cost, practical car meant to get you from place to place without spending a lot. In a driving event, it can be surprising because it may still finish even if it goes off track. The podcast points out that the Logan kept going and ended up finishing.

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Timo Glock

"Did you see that Timo Glock got a ban? No. So Timo Glock XF1 driver, which is a very talented driver, was quite outspoken about inexperienced drivers at the Nurburgring and how they can get things wrong."

Timo Glock is a real professional race car driver. In this segment, they mention him because he’s been vocal about how less-experienced drivers can make mistakes on track.

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XF1

"So Timo Glock XF1 driver, which is a very talented driver, was quite outspoken about inexperienced drivers at the Nurburgring and how they can get things wrong."

XF1 sounds like a specific racing class or label tied to the event/series being discussed. The hosts don’t explain it here, so it’s likely just the name of the category he was driving in.

Car

Bentley Bentayga

"And parked outside was this absolutely glorious Bentayga. Actually, we could almost expect this."

The Bentley Bentayga is a luxury SUV made by Bentley. It’s designed to be comfortable and upscale, not just rugged. The podcast mentions it because it was parked outside and stood out.

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Tour de Four charity event

"Can I talk about the Tour de Four charity event that you and I did at Donington last week? ... He's raising money for four or five cancer charities under the Tour de Four banner."

Tour de Four is a charity bike event. It’s organized to raise money for several cancer charities.

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Ferrari LaFerrari

"... the back going, oh, canal. Marino was there in a LaFerrari. Siri, tell me what imposter syndrome is."

The Ferrari LaFerrari is a very expensive, extremely fast sports car made by Ferrari. It uses both an electric system and a gas engine. It’s a special, limited car that people talk about because it’s at the top end of Ferrari’s lineup.

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911 GT4

"There's going to be a 911 GT4. Have you heard that?"

The Porsche 911 GT4 is a version of the 911 made for track driving. Here, they’re talking about a rumor that the GT4 racing class might move toward using a 911 body shape.

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GT4 racing category

"Well, a GT4 racing category has been a caiman until now. It hasn't really, I think GT4 racing is getting bigger and they'd rather it was in a 911 shell."

GT4 is a racing class for sports cars that’s meant to be cheaper and easier to run than the top GT categories. They’re saying GT4 has usually used certain kinds of cars, but it might be changing as the class gets bigger.

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homologate the car

"So it means they probably do need to homologate the car and make one. I've not got my ears to the ground on it."

Homologation is basically race-approval. It means the car has to be built (and meet the rules) so it can legally compete in that racing class.

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GT2

"And then the GT3 is the big one and the GT2 is the turbo and we get programmed into, is how it's got to be forever."

GT2 is a different racing class in the GT family. In this conversation, they’re just using it as part of the usual hierarchy of GT categories.

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Porsche Cayman

"Porsche decided it made sense whenever 10 years ago when they started doing this that its GT4 contender would be based on the Cayman."

The Porsche Cayman is a Porsche sports car with its engine mounted in the middle. Here, they’re talking about Porsche using the Cayman as the starting point for a race car meant for the GT4 class.

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VLN

"Most of them ended up doing VLN or NLS,"

VLN is a race series held at the Nürburgring that runs endurance-style events. It’s a place where lots of sports and GT cars compete, including cars that might not be used much in their original GT4 plans.

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NLS

"Most of them ended up doing VLN or NLS,"

NLS is another endurance racing series at the Nürburgring. The hosts are saying that many cars intended for GT4 ended up racing in these Nürburgring endurance events instead.

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one make series

"[2074.1s] or they did their own one make series, sprint series. [2077.2s] And the other manufacturers in GT3"

A one-make series is racing where everyone uses the same brand/model of car. It helps make the racing about driving and tuning, not about which car is inherently faster.

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Porsche

"[2095.2s] You can do some commonality of parts. [2097.1s] Aston Martin as well. [2098.6s] I think it could really help Porsche [2099.9s] because it means they can push the GT3 northwards a bit,"

Porsche is being mentioned as a brand that could benefit from sharing parts between different race-car versions. The hosts are basically saying it could make their racing program cheaper and easier to expand.

Car

F-150 Raptor

"which could only be built in Texas. This is a Raptor R taken out to 1,000 horsepower, and I hate to sa..."

The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. In the podcast, they’re talking about a very modified version that makes around 1,000 horsepower. That’s far more power than a normal F-150 would have.

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1,000 horsepower

"This is a Raptor R taken out to 1,000 horsepower, [2166.1s] and I hate to say it, people think I'm a purist,"

Horsepower is a way to describe how strong the engine is. “1,000 horsepower” means the truck has been modified to make an enormous amount of power compared to stock.

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Ford Bronco

"...he sign saying La Grange. I also drove his little Bronco. He's got a Bronco, he does."

The Ford Bronco is an SUV designed to handle rough roads and off-road trails. It’s meant for people who want a capable vehicle beyond normal city driving. The podcast brings it up because someone owns one and the host got to drive it.

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Hennessey

"I also drove his little Bronco. [2204.8s] He's got a Bronco, he does. [2206.5s] A Hennessey Bronco with 500 horsepower."

Hennessey is a company that modifies cars after they’re built. If a Bronco is a “Hennessey” one, it usually means it’s been tuned for extra power.

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Bronco Raptor

"Lovely. [2209.2s] A Bronco Raptor. [2210.6s] That's the car, Ford."

The Bronco Raptor is a tougher, more off-road capable version of the Ford Bronco. It’s built for rough terrain, not just normal driving.

Car

Ferrari 456

"...ven't you, in the last year? I mean, try owning a Ferrari 456 and see how many errands you run a day."

The Ferrari 456 M GT is a Ferrari meant for longer trips, not just short drives. It’s built to be more comfortable and practical than many other Ferraris. The podcast mentions it in the context of how owning one changes your day-to-day routine.

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Ferrari Dinos

"...d materials and things. When I learned there that Ferrari Dinos, these so-called leather interiors were actually ..."

The Ferrari Dino 208 GT4 is a sports car made by Ferrari’s Dino division. It has the engine in the middle, which helps it handle well. The podcast brings it up because of something interesting about the materials used inside the car.

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BMW M6

"...ic Circle North. He's bloody, you know, where the M6 gets very open. He's up that way."

The BMW M6 is a faster, sportier BMW made by BMW’s performance team. It’s designed to feel exciting when you drive it, especially on open roads. The podcast mentions it while talking about a drive route.

Concept

Ugly duckling cars that have become swans

"Ugly duckling cars that have become swans. [2916.8s] Very, very good."

They’re using a story metaphor: something that looks awkward at first can end up being really impressive later. In cars, it usually means a model that people didn’t like right away, but later started to love.

Car

BMW M3 Touring

"The current model BMW M3 Touring. With that gopping front. When you look at it, you think, oh, God, it's still there. But somehow... It looks different."

The BMW M3 Touring is the M3 turned into a wagon. It’s meant to be a fast, sporty car, but with extra space like a family estate.

Car

Aston Martin DB7

"Now, it's not a Jaguar. To me, when Aston Martin came out with the DB7, I didn't like it because I was used to the Aston Martin looking like the 80s Aston Martins... So for me, the DB7 is an ugly duckling car."

The Aston Martin DB7 is a luxury “grand touring” car from Aston Martin. In this segment, they’re talking about how its styling looks different from older Aston Martins, and why some people call it an “ugly duckling.”

Car

Aston Martin XK8

"Now when I see one, of course, you can use the XK8 as well as the same reference."

The Aston Martin XK8 is another Aston Martin grand tourer. Here it’s mentioned as a comparison—like “you can think of it alongside the XK8” when talking about the DB7’s look.

Car

Ferrari 612 Scaglietti

"Yeah, I think I have. Because it's the Ferrari 612 Scalietti."

The Ferrari 612 Scaglietti is a Ferrari grand tourer with a V12 engine. In this segment, it’s used as the punchline comparison for what the “ugly duckling” really is.

Car

Lamborghini Diablo

"is this rather beautiful 93 Diablo. [3226.7s] Yeah, I would love to drive that around the howl."

The Lamborghini Diablo is a famous 1990s supercar. It’s known for sounding incredible and feeling very raw and exciting to drive—like a proper “old-school” supercar.

Brand

MV Augusta Series 3

"It is this MV Augusta Series 3. [3246.9s] And I think that is going to sound like an absolute banshee for Thruxton."

MV Agusta makes high-end Italian motorcycles. “Series 3” is a particular version/generation, and the point here is that it’s expected to sound extremely wild.

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banshee

"And I think that is going to sound like an absolute banshee for Thruxton. [3252.1s] for Thruxton."

“Banshee” is a colorful way of saying it’ll sound super high-pitched and wild. It’s basically “that’s going to sound crazy.”

Car

A110 Alpine 110

"...and ding, whenever it is. So I'm going to take an Alpine 110. Because it's probably a car that I can enjoy"

The Alpine A110 is a small sports car designed to handle well. It’s usually built to feel light and fun rather than heavy and bulky. The podcast mentions it as a car the host expects to enjoy driving.

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on-car and classic

"This is an original car. It's on-car and classic. [3475.4s] It's POA."

They mean the car is a real, complete classic that you can actually drive and enjoy, not just something for parts or a restoration project.

Term

POA

"This is an original car. It's on-car and classic. [3475.4s] It's POA. It's a 1969 original car."

POA means “Price On Application.” Instead of listing a number, the seller requires you to contact them to get the price, which is common for rare cars where pricing depends on condition, provenance, and demand.

Car

Lola T70

"What's the engine in that car, Chris? [3493.9s] What is the engine in the Lola T70? [3497.2s] It's a big Chevy."

The Lola T70 is an old race car from the 1960s. It’s famous for having a big Chevrolet V8 engine, which is why it can feel so strong even today.

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auction

"So in the auctions, it starts on an auction. [3527.5s] I had to print this out, my apologies."

An auction is where people bid against each other for the car. The highest bid wins, so the price can swing depending on who shows up and how badly they want it.

Car

BMW F10

"It is a one of 50 F10 B5 Biturbo. 600 horsepower. These were factory Alpina cars with a Krapowicz exhaust Drexler LSD."

This is an Alpina-tuned BMW 5 Series (the F10 generation) called the B5. “Biturbo” means it uses two turbochargers to make a lot of power.

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biturbo

"It is a one of 50 F10 B5 Biturbo. 600 horsepower. These were factory Alpina cars with a Krapowicz exhaust Drexler LSD."

“Biturbo” means the engine has two turbochargers. Turbos force more air into the engine, which helps it make more power.

Brand

Alpina

"These were factory Alpina cars with a Krapowicz exhaust Drexler LSD. Is there a better sounding additive and expert clever component on a car"

Alpina is a German company that makes special, factory-style versions of BMWs. The key point here is that it’s not just a random modification—it's built to Alpina’s own design.

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Drexler LSD

"These were factory Alpina cars with a Krapowicz exhaust Drexler LSD. Is there a better sounding additive"

An LSD helps the car put power down when one wheel starts to slip. A Drexler LSD is a performance version meant for better grip, especially when driving hard.

Part

Brembo brake upgrade

"I think the German, hope they are, Drexler. And it's got Brembo brake upgrade. So you turn up in your 10 year old B5 Alpina"

Brembo makes performance brakes. A “brake upgrade” usually means better brakes that can stop harder and handle heat better when you drive aggressively.

Concept

Group C

"I want some downforce with my noise. And that means Group C."

Group C was a famous era of race cars used in endurance racing. They were built to be very stable at high speed, and they’re known for a loud, dramatic sound.

Term

650 horsepower

"You need a Group C car with a 650 horsepower VA in it. We've got more than that. It's a six and a half liter."

Horsepower is a way to describe how much power an engine can make. More horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder, especially when paired with the right gearing and traction.

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TDI

"And I want to drive there in this. I want to drive there in a 106 TDI. I'll tell you why."

TDI is a diesel engine type that uses a turbo and injects fuel directly into the engine. That usually helps the car feel strong and efficient, especially in everyday driving.

Car

Alpine A106

"And I want to drive there in this. I want to drive there in a 106 TDI. I'll tell you why."

The Alpine A106 is an older, small sports car made by Alpine. The podcast mentions a “106 TDI,” which indicates a modified version meant to be more practical for driving. They’re talking about using it for a trip, not just looking at it.

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Volkswagen Gti

"...g with laughter. And I so fondly remember the 106 GTI there. So I want to remember Cole in the 106."

The Volkswagen Golf is a compact car that’s made in many versions. The podcast mentions a performance version called a GTI and connects it to a memory of enjoying it. It’s being used as a reference point for what the host liked about driving.

Car

106 GTI

"And I so fondly remember the 106 GTI there. So I want to remember Cole in the 106."

The Peugeot 106 GTI is a small, sporty hatchback. It’s the kind of car people like because it feels lively and quick, especially for its size.

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599 GTO

"And I've known Alex basically from a teenager stood on the corner of the street trying to chase me down the street in a 599 GTO. [3867.2s] I was in the 599 GTO."

The Ferrari 599 GTO is a special, faster version of the 599. It’s famous for having a big V12 engine and a more aggressive, track-style setup than the regular model.

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V12 diesel

"It's just a bloke who's got one of those Audi Q7 V12 diesels. You know the ones? Yeah, the one."

A “V12 diesel” is a car engine with 12 cylinders arranged like a V, and it uses diesel fuel. It’s designed to run smoothly and pull strongly at low speeds, but it’s not a common engine type.

Car

Audi Q7 V12 diesel

"And this one is called Benny and the V12. It's just a bloke who's got one of those Audi Q7 V12 diesels. You know the ones?"

An Audi Q7 is a big luxury SUV. This one is described as a “V12 diesel,” meaning it has 12 cylinders and runs on diesel fuel—something you don’t see very often in SUVs.

Concept

million-kilometer challenge

"And he's trying to do a million kilometers. I think it's up to... What's he up to? He's up to something like 800,000..."

A “million-kilometer” goal means the owner is trying to drive the car for an enormous distance. It’s basically a test of whether the car can survive long-term use.

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