New Ferrari Revealed! Mercedes Announces Dream DougCar, We Sold a Manual Cayenne for $125k?!

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Hello and welcome to this car pod.

>> I'm Ken. I'm Fa.

>> Let's start with the news. The biggest

news story of the week is our Cayenne

manual sale.

>> I say that because it was covered on

some news organization.

>> That and every single person who's in

the car has texted me and sent me this

and wanted to know what

>> Hooie was text me. We sold. All right,

here's what happened. I was in Palm

Springs. I'm driving back from Palm

Springs and I get this text. This a

manual Cayenne is going crazy. And we

have this jet green manual Cayenne on

the site 2014 and it sold in the end

after what 45 minutes of bidding.

>> Was it our longest ever?

>> No, but it was close

>> for $125,500.

Now, I want to cover this as a new story

for a few reasons. Number one, this is

probably a record price for a manual

>> Cayenne. You can say that, but there

were when they were new, some people

equipped them to about this. There were

a few out there that have this level of

of spec. It was

>> imagine

>> they were it was generally agreed when I

worked at Porsche that the the manual

Cayens were typically equipped more like

S's than bases, but there were some

people who went crazy with specs.

>> MSRP was on this specific

>> 63.

>> 64. Yeah.

>> Um,

okay. So, there's that.

>> Yeah.

>> Probably an alltime manual Cayenne

record.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and then there was also it's it's an

unbelievable situation. I want to be

clear. These manual Cayenne, we've

talked before on this podcast about how

they have been selling for more and

more.

>> Um,

>> but that was like 50,000

60 maybe.

>> 60 would have been high in my variant

for a general manual Cayenne. Now, this

particular one was unusual.

>> This particular one is jet green.

>> Good color.

>> U, the vast majority of these were

silver black, you know, but green was

offered on the Cayenne and so apparently

people did it. Um, and it was also

pretty low miles. Um, some miles were

like in the 60s. Most of these were

bought to be driven and so were driven.

Yep. And when we see them come on the

site, they often have 120,000 mi, 130.

Not that that's used up, but you're not

going to pay top dollar for a car at

that mileage level.

>> And obviously the fact there was a

manual had some cool options like that.

You can see the the wood trim uh with

the dual little things there

>> and premium plus package. You know,

>> it was a nice car. RS spider wheels um

which are the best looking wheel on that

Cayenne. It was a nice car and it's a 14

which is the final model year that the

manual kind was offered. Nonetheless,

125 is a lot of money. Now, there was a

lot of speculation as there is whenever

there's one of these sales on our

auction site or on one of the others. We

won't name names. Uh that you know it's

not real or this or that. Uh but this uh

car did transact.

>> Yep.

>> Uh we know I know the seller personally.

I haven't talked to him in a long time,

but he's he sells cars in Fort Worth. He

sells on our site. He sells a bunch of

stuff. Nothing's ever gone crazy like

this for him before. Uh he was as

shocked as we were. Um the car

transacted on a different auction site

>> years ago.

>> Years ago, a different one for a lot

less. Something to consider.

Um but it's a special car and these

manual kinds have become more special. I

will also say that not only was the high

bidder legit, he followed through and

bought the car and paid for it. Um but

the second bidder, we we Googled that

person's name. That person is also

legit. these people were not in any sort

of weird

>> this is a true battle.

>> It was a true battle for a car that you

know you're never gonna find again. And

a lot of the internet commenters are,

oh, I can't believe it. Well,

>> let me tell you something. If you had

$50 million and you were a Porsche

enthusiast and you really wanted the

ultimate Porsches, you could look at

this and say this was a the most unusual

example of a special Porsche. These

people are willing to pay $6 million for

a 98 Spider cuz it's white. I mean,

that's even cra I watched those results

and that's way crazier to me than this.

trust me.

>> Um, but it happens and weird things like

this happen when there when there are

cars that are really really desired and

really hard to find. It also it's tough

cuz you can't we've had many manual

Cayenne all the manual ever built

probably at this point submitted to us

as a result.

>> How many manual we're about to have

every

reality is that this is not necessarily

a replicable result, right? Like there

will not they're not all worth $125,000.

Maybe no other is worth 100.

>> Oh, no. I disagree. I actually think so.

We've sold 43 manual Cayenne. The one of

the funny things about this is there

there were three different manual

Cayenne.

>> Okay. Yeah, there were.

>> There was the first gen V6

>> which we sold one of last week.

>> There was the second gen or there was

the first gen GTS with a V8 and then

there was the third gen V6. There was

the only three manual Cayenne. They

never did a diesel. They never did

turbo. There's a lot of speculation.

Never happened.

>> And they made about three.

>> They're not a lot of

>> total. The funny thing I think is the

first gen V6, go back up to the top.

They are just used cars. They sell for

very little. We sold this one for

$7,900.

Yeah.

It's just a used car. The market does

not appreciate it. The first gen V8s,

the GTS manual, they bring some money,

but most of those have really been mild

up

>> as with that one. But our second highest

manual Cayenne result is a firstg GTS at

50.

>> Probably a lower mile car, I imagine.

Probably like a Yeah. 69,000 mi. That's

getting hard to find. A lot of these are

now at 150,000 mi, badly modded, etc.

This was a nice one. Um, honestly, you

know what? Go back. The the uh that one,

which I think is that is that umber? No,

that that was uh Auburn metallic. That

was a deal

>> at this point. That is a deal.

>> But at the time, that was like that was

close to like the record auction.

>> It was a good number. I actually and

these are the RS these are the the big

the 21s.

>> I actually really think that that that

sale is rep can be replicated. There are

manual Cayenne out there. I know this

from my time working at Porsche. There

are manual Cayenne's out there with more

unusual builds than this one. The

question is, what happened to them? And

will the person ever sell? And does it

have 500,000 miles on it? You know, has

it been has it been badly modded or

crashed or whatever?

>> So, if you know someone with a stock

Parado green manual Cayenne,

>> they would Yeah, I guess Parado could

have been you could have done paint to

sample on it. I although I don't know if

they offered paint to sample back then,

but the closest you could get there are

probably yellow ones. There are because

that was a standard color. Sand yellow.

>> Sand yellow.

>> Uh there are greens certainly. There are

some unusual ones out there. So, you

know,

>> it's clearly a rising tide.

>> Rising tide

>> with some big waves.

>> Big sale, but legitimate sale.

Legitimate seller who's a legit guy.

Sells a bunch of stuff. Legit buyer paid

for it.

>> Uh just a crazy thing. This doesn't this

is not that unusual.

>> No.

>> Obviously for manual cayenne, but it's

not that unusual.

>> The right people. Not that unusual for a

very special you'll never find another

type of car to get more money than it

ought to. And uh I was actually kind of

surprised by the response from people.

Anybody who's really shocked by this

probably isn't paying that close of

attention to auction results. We are. We

watch our site. We watch the other

sites. We see this happen sometimes.

>> Ultimately, as I've always said, the

beauty of an auction is all it takes are

two two people who really want it and

you end up with a bidding war that has

150 bids. They come up $500 increments.

The one guy tried to fake him out and

said, "I'm done. I'm done." And then

bam, hit him with another bid. It was It

was so good to watch.

>> It was good quality programming. True.

It was. And this is a This is a special

car. Uh it really is. These are unusual.

And And people pay for unusual,

especially in the Porsche world. I've

always said this, the Porsche world, to

be, if we're being honest with

ourselves, the cars are not really all

that different. And so when you get a

car that has some specifically, this is

why they get so into the stitching and

the leather and the colors, because the

cars are not really all that different.

And when you get a car that has some

distinguishing features like this, it's

going to have some it's going to have a

big effect. It just is.

>> So, there you go. Ken, did you think

about buying it?

>> Absolutely. Well, not at that number.

>> I did.

>> When the when the when it came across, I

saw his reserve and I know him and I

thought about texting him and being

like, "Hey, man. I think you're strong.

Like, I'll just I'll give you 35."

>> I legit thought about that. Like, it'd

be fun to have this car and 35. I was

hoping that would do it.

>> Yeah. I'm glad he held out. Turns out

don't accept offers from your friends

short.

>> That's okay. It happens, right?

>> Yeah. Right.

>> All right. Moving on to the next news

story.

>> The next news story is the big one. Ken,

you read about this.

>> Of course I did. The Tessterosa is back.

>> The 849 Tessterosa.

>> Yes. You know, funny. It doesn't look

much like the old one. Um, but then

again, that one didn't look like the one

that came before.

>> Where's the number come from? Is that P?

Where does that number come from? I

haven't of all the stuff I've read about

this car. What? Yeah, it's more. It's

got like a thousand horsepower, right?

It's like a thousand,

>> right? It's a 1000 and something. Yeah.

>> Uh oh. Oh, eight stands for the V8 and

49 is 4 499cc displacement per cylinder

just like the old days. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, the 849 Tessterosa, this

replaces the SF90.

>> Yes.

>> Do you think it will be as unsuccessful

as the SF90 has been?

>> No. Because it looks different. Very,

very, very different from the standard

car. This is going to push SF90 values

way.

>> So true. Even like already now people

know that this is coming.

>> Well, look how it looks so cool.

>> It is odd. Like there are no callbacks

to the Tessterosa that's so famous from

the 80s. But like I said, there was a

Tessterosa in the ' 50s and those two

cars do not share anything in common

except that they have 12-cylinder

engines.

>> And it does have some callbacks to that.

There's a little bit of a pontoon.

There's a little bit of a cockpit shape.

>> It has more callbacks to like the 512S

like the the race cars, like the

prototype race cars.

>> Don't you agree?

>> Yeah. flip knows what I'm talking about.

>> Right. We've all been thinking about it.

>> It's okay. Enjoy your nap. It'll be

fine.

>> Nonetheless, this is a really exciting

car. It is interesting though because

they say they did a lot of modifications

to the engine and the chassis are very

different. But ultimately, it's a

hybrid, very powerful V8 Ferrari. The

difference between this and the SF90,

like I said, is they made it look

special. The SF90's biggest problem, in

my opinion, was two to threefold. Number

one undoubtedly was that it just didn't

look that different from a regular

production Ferrari. Like I to this day

have trouble telling apart an F8 and an

SF90 when I see them. And one was three

times more expensive. Um but the other

problems were it was too expensive and

it was too produced. The production

numbers were too high and the result has

been an unbelievable drop on the used

market. I'm not sure style alone will

get this car in a better position. I

would also suggest to Ferrari if you're

listening probably don't produce it in

such high numbers. I think your clients

will appreciate that also.

>> Yeah.

>> Um I also think it looks really cool.

There's a lot of comments, oh it looks

like this, it's ugly. It's weird.

Ferrari, one thing I think Ferrari does

well

>> there, as much as we would love a retro,

>> they don't.

>> Ferrari has always been like, "No, we're

next. We are We set the trends." Like we

don't look back. We set the new trend.

Right. Now, of course, every car since

the 458 has been a little derivative of

the 458, but you are correct. Generally,

they like Well, yeah. So was the 250,

you know, the the California, but

nonetheless,

>> these cars, I agree with that statement

wholeheartedly. I also think that they

do like to throw now little touches in

from the past, which I really like. Like

the 296 has the like 250 LM honches. The

doici has the of the Daytona. Some of us

feel it should have been called the

Daytona, but we'll move on. Maybe, you

know,

>> the SP3 is called the Daytona,

>> right? Which of course, it doesn't look

anything like a Daytona. And they just

use the names because they have to keep

the trademark active. Probably

>> they probably could use that. Probably

could do that a little bit more

strategically. But nonetheless,

>> this is a very exciting car.

>> Are you excited about it? Cuz you've

come out and said, "I don't like modern

Ferrari. I don't like that it's hybrid.

I don't like that it's not." I mean,

>> are you excited about it?

>> My opinion personally doesn't matter

because I'm not a customer for this car,

obviously, but as most people

>> I think we both agree that it would be

cooler if it was a NAV12, a manual

transmission, etc.

>> Are you excited about it?

>> Uh, personally, I am. I think it looks

awesome. I think it has a 1000

horsepower. I think the SF90 has been a

total dud and I I'm I'm happy to see

Ferrari putting in some new investment

and new thought into this and realizing

where they went wrong with that car and

clearly giving this more of an exotic

special look. I think that's a big deal.

I'm certainly much more much more

excited about this than I ever have been

about SF90. Even when SF90 was first

revealed, I feel like this is just way

cooler.

>> This makes a little bit more sense. I

still don't know exactly where it kind

of fits in into the hierarchy. That's a

little

>> It'll just be an SF90 replacement,

>> right? But I still don't know where that

fit into the hierarchy. It's like it's

super car, but it isn't. It's like I I

still don't know. At least this looks

cool. Uh but it is also interesting to

see Ferrari's new design language.

They're continuing with that stripe

across the front like they have for you.

>> Let me tell you how I let tell you how I

evolved on the 12 cylindry.

>> I first saw it and I was very skeptical

as I think a lot of people were.

>> I first saw pictures.

>> Then I had that green one that we

reviewed in the office

>> and I was into it. And last week I saw

one in person and I like I was like damn

>> it looks it looks whether or not it's

beautiful it is so striking like wow

what am I looking at this is cool.

>> I think that with a lot of automotive

design you also you really have to wait

till you see it in person because it

pictures you know as the saying goes

don't do it justice and Ferrari press

pictures as we discussed in our friend

group are bizarre.

>> Ferrari press pictures are always weird.

They're always AI. They've been doing AI

since before AI was a thing. Um, and

they they always a lot of usually it's a

black background. This is is on some

sort of

>> is that a racetrack or is that a

building back there?

>> I could it's an unusual thing. It's a

racetrack next to a building that just

goes upward. You don't want to crash on

this particular race.

>> Maybe

>> could be near a runway. I can't

>> The point is their pictures are always a

little weird. I think seeing a car in

light in next to normal cars kind of

gives it a little bit more context to

how special it is.

>> They couldn't have photoshopped out

those parking balls. I think they like

him there to like imply that it's like a

>> competition situation cuz I don't think

this entire picture is real. Nothing

about it, including the car. But,36

horsepower plug-in hybrid V8. Yes, a V12

would be cooler. That's not the

direction we're going. It's just a new

SF90 that is that is maybe going to

solve some of the problems of the old

SF90 and which is namely style

>> coupe and convertible by the way.

>> What the SF90 should have been from this

>> probably

something more distinct, something more

special. I think if it had been, it

would have at least done a little better

on the used market. There would be more

desire around it. The only desire around

the SF90 that I see is from people who

are not all that sophisticated in the

car world and see it as like 200 grand

off for a new Ferrari and like this is a

deal or people who are trying to get

more Ferraris later.

>> Well, like I said, now this is how

people like Felipe are looking for a

deal. That'll be the S90.

>> Sold an SF90 the other day for not that

much considering what it's what it spec

was. Just shy of 500 for $760,000 car.

But that's what SF90s are worth.

>> When I was a kid Oh, yeah. No, I was a

strong number. It was a cool car.

>> It's going to go down. We agree.

>> When I was a child, you there was no

Ferrari that sold for under sticker. It

wasn't like a thing. It didn't occur

like a Ferrari came out. You waited

three years. You bought one. If you

wanted to flip it, you could make 50

grand or you could use it. You were, it

was very special that you were selected.

The concept that these are just readily

available for 200 under sticker is wild.

You remember the gray market imports

like all the 360s that were coming over

early cuz you just couldn't get them.

>> Yeah, totally. Totally all the time.

>> Yep.

>> Not anymore.

>> S90 a bit of a failure. Hopefully the

849 uh

>> 849 Tessterosa as we call it in in

Italian

>> formally.

>> Uh Coupan convertible by the way and

they say sometime next year it's going

on sale.

>> Mid 26. Mid 26. So a year from now, a

little less, but that's probably Europe.

So, imagine imagine uh all the other

automotive YouTubers will have reviewed

it in the spring of 26 and then I will

get it sometime in 27 when it finally

comes to America.

>> Yep. January of 27. We'll be waiting.

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right, move on. A lot of news this week.

Uh the big news this week is the uh

revival of the G-Class Cabriolet. So,

let's talk about it. Everybody's been

asking me about it. I've been tagged in

four billion Instagram posts about the

new G-Class Cabriolet. Mercedes-Benz has

announced the G Cabriolet return. I have

become famously associated with my G

Cabriolet. I have uh owned it now for

six years. It'll be six years uh next

month.

>> And um bought it. I bought mine for

$133,000 and I think it's probably now

worth at one point I think it was worth

$233,000. The market has become obsessed

with this car, which is one of the

points that Mercedes-Benz used to bring

it back. I watched an interview with

some executive at Mercedes-Benz who said

the final edition cars were 150 when

they were new and they now sell for 400.

And so we see there's a ground swell.

There's a market interest in this car

and so we are returning. I Everybody's

been asking if I'm going to get one. I

have gotten on my list at my Mercedes

dealer. I'm first as you should be. But

I made two nothing was revealed about

this car aside from this photo. And

Mercedes said that it will come to their

to the US and then it will be offered

with their most popular powertrains.

>> Um

>> they have two

>> well they have an electric.

>> You're right. Won't be electric. We know

that.

>> So

>> they use that for if the powertrain very

carefully.

>> I told MercedesBenz I told the dealer

that I would I want to buy it. I want it

under two very specific circumstances.

Number one that it is not a limited

edition ultra expensive thing. I think

that this should be a 200 to 250 car

based on where like the other G Wagons

are. That's like where I believe the

pricing makes sense.

>> However, the 4x4 squared that they sell

now starts at 330 or it did before the

axles were breaking and they can't sell

it anymore.

Uh and if that's where

something to think about if that's where

the Cabriolet is priced,

>> um no interest. Like if they make it a

limited edition ultra high expensive

thing, I'll sit it out and wait till

it's used because I think it'll

depreciate like the 4x4 squared has.

>> The other condition is

it can't be and I don't know I don't use

this word but I can't I can't think of

another word that describes our go.

>> It can't be douchy

>> which is a tough thing for G wagon not

to be. I my pres my my hope is that they

come with a regular G550 that has those

stronger than the 1980s wheels and

orange turn signals and like old school

colors and like not a lot of bling,

right?

>> My presumption

is that it will be a G63 and it will

have all of the accutrama that you'd

expect from a G63 and the people that

that goes with in which case I have no

interest in owning the car.

>> But uh it would be cool as hell. It

looks like it's going to be a four-door,

which would be really great for me with

my children. Uh, right now my method of

getting my kids in mine is I lift them

over the side of the car, which has a

has a shelf life. They're going to get

too big for that.

>> Um,

>> yep.

>> So, there you go. The G Cabriel return.

Are you excited?

>> I am excited for you. I never thought

this would happen. My presumption always

was that uh, you know, they're supply

constrained. They built this car in

Gratz in Austria and they're supply

constrained. There's so much demand for

the G and there always has been that I

never thought they would bother with

this stupid kind of novelty body style

because there's just so much interest in

the four-door and what's the point of

going to the trouble of developing this

when you can just sell four-doors? But

here we are.

>> You'd buy an electric one, wouldn't you?

>> Uh consider it. My current my current

thought is that if I bought this, I

would sell my my old one and my Sequoia

>> Sold across the country.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow. Because I think if I sold those

two, I could probably get about as much

money as what I'm hoping this cell will

stick.

>> I like to think that it'll be more

refined than his current one. So the

top's not going to go flap flap flap

flap flap flap flap as you're driving

along on the highway. But of course,

>> they're so proud of the design.

>> It's going to be ugly. We all know it's

going to be ugly. There's no question be

ugly, but that's been true. That was

true. The previous one didn't seem to

stop people from paying up. I mean, he's

right. Final the Mercedes exec is right.

Final editions do sell for $400,000. And

um even the one I have, California

Legal, is probably a 200 car.

>> It's going to be a large top. It'll be a

large top. I did notice that the front

is a that there's a little bit of a um

roof on the front section.

>> Are you worried this won't be like the

Landlay where it's just like the back is

a convertible and the the front isn't?

>> You know, the Landlet uses the same top

for mine.

>> Did you know that? Pull up a picture of

the Llay. This is going to blow your

mind. The Llay, which was the other G

convertible I made, G650 L.

uh that car if you actually look at a

side profile image.

>> This you can pull up pull up this one.

>> Yeah, that looks like

>> so you see the the weird triangle

window. The only thing that's missing is

the the regular cab had a triangle

window in the top and they didn't put

the lawn. But the reason the Lond

doesn't have a top over the front seats

is because they simply reused the

twodoor G Cabriolet top and pulled it

back. And so the lawn literally just has

my car's top. That's all it is.

>> Go back to the the

>> It's one of the great secrets of the

whole thing.

>> Well, it's nice knowing you can always

get canvas for yourself.

>> Yeah. Sorry. What?

>> You go back to the the photo from

Mercedes.

>> Uhhuh.

>> This will not be the case.

>> There is a little bit of overhang.

>> There's a little bit of overhang, but

there's this is clearly going to be a

longer roof. Now, convertible four-door

is very rare in the car industry. I

can't think of any convertible for I

mean the Jeep Wrangler, but like and the

Bronco, but they don't have power. If

you power top convertible four-door uh

>> can't think of

>> they happen they they exist but they're

old days they used to do it 60s7s but

very very very rare there usually

becomes issues of structural rigidity uh

and also it's just a lot of

>> top to fold up and to do all that. My my

assumption is they'll have bars going

across the middle. They just basically

have to for rigidity. But anyway, I'm

excited. FIBO's excited.

>> I am excited.

>> Are you?

>> Um sure.

>> This car has been a staple in our lives.

I've done 30,000 miles in in mine in

hours, let's say.

>> Yeah. What a moment. What a day.

>> What a life.

>> You spent endless time.

>> Spent a lot of time in it.

>> It's the only car of yours I'm actually

scared to drive.

>> For the longest time until you got the

Courage GT, that was the

>> I woke up that day that they announced

this. I never would have expected that I

would wake up and order it like and like

get on a list for a new car. Like there

is basically no new car short of Porsche

making like a half million dollar manual

transmission supercar that I was somehow

qualified for.

>> Doesn't count. No, like a mid-enine like

real thing.

>> It's like distinct. Um, this is the only

thing that I could have possibly gotten

me up off my

>> pedestal of not getting the new Defender

when it came out.

>> Yeah. Years ago, but like I'm I'm off

any of that stuff,

>> right?

>> 700.

>> Ken, you have any thoughts about this?

This is a big deal.

>> It is. I'd like to see some more

pictures of it and you know, you won't

want to

>> in due time. Don't you agree it's going

to be too blinged out? I'm going to

bail.

>> Absolutely.

>> The thing is they I think they will

offer a G550 version for other markets

at least.

>> I hope

>> uh and then you import it, title it as a

G63.

>> Yeah, that's it's that easy.

>> Yeah. Um they are in Europe doing

stronger than the 1980s without the trim

package like the same very similar

wheels, colors, other design touches in

packages in Europe. So I wouldn't

hopefully they like try to combine

those.

>> You could certainly like start modding

it, but like I'm not I'm not I'm not

going to

>> That's a long road to go. I just want to

get a G550.

>> Yeah.

>> With those fivestar wheels.

>> And like a convertible for I just don't

want to look like a the kind of person.

Do you want a first gen 4x4 squared,

which was a G550, not a second gen 4x4

squared?

>> Yeah, they could do a normal one and

then do a Maybach trim that's got

>> I'm sure they'll do that. I'm sure

they'll do that,

>> but it would be nice to do it to have a

base engine. But my guess is they're

going to want to milk this for real

money. If they went to the trouble of

development and to develop it and took

and took uh time off the line of

building the four-doors to build this

stupid convertible, I I bet you this

thing is priced at 350 and I bet you uh

it's going to be like fully spec off the

charts like weird.

>> Maybe at the end of the production line,

>> buy a used one in 10 years.

>> Yep.

>> It's how we do it. Okay, what's our next

news story? Oo, a different Mercedes.

>> This is a big one.

>> This is a big grill. Yeah. Uh, this is

the new GLC with EQ technology.

>> Uh,

>> that's not what they're calling anymore,

though. Isn't it just GLC EV?

>> Yeah,

>> GLC EQ, I thought.

>> No, I think they've given up the whole

EQ thing. Everything every coverage I've

seen,

>> GLC EQ is the formal name.

>> GLC with EQ technology.

>> But but

>> but sort of it's going it it's going to

be called GLC 400 formatic. And if you

want to add the EQ technology, you can.

>> It's it's there. Um, things that Kenna

needs to know about it.

>> Mhm. That's it. What can be done with

that sense? No. Um, it it it's so the

GLC is Mercedes kind of small compact

SUV, not the smallest, but the in the

small luxury space. Uh, finally, they

have an actual EV version. They have not

had an EV GLC in the US. They've had a

plug-in hybrid, but not a full EV. Uh,

it is styled distinctively from the

regular GLC a little bit, but it's still

identifiable as one. It's not the same

rounded EQE

>> thing before. Uh, and most importantly,

it has a giant display in the inside.

>> On the grill?

>> No, no, it super screen display.

>> It has a huge available screen on the

inside, but the grill talking point.

>> The grill lights up.

>> The grill, but they all light up now.

>> No, no, no.

>> No, I know.

>> This is all This is just like the

inevitable progression.

>> Mercedes started doing

>> So, I don't I'm not going to like talk

about it for them. You know,

>> Mercedes started doing it with the Star,

right? And then BMW did the whole light

up grill situation and they thought no

if we go van and they decided to make

the slats.

>> They they saw that Faraday, the brand

that doesn't really make cars, has a

like screen inside the grill of their

new minivan. They wanted to go similar

direction.

>> It is hard not to look at this and think

Mercedes is trying to get a bit of a

doover on the bad launch of the EQed

vehicles

>> over the last five years. And also the

EQ vehicle I see most often is the GB

or the EQB as it were which is like the

the smallest one cuz I think there is

demand for a car in this size class that

is electric and they are trying to seize

on that. Uh one interesting thing is

this is also true of the other German

manufacturers. They're not going for big

power. All the like new upstart EV

manufacturers just throw more motors and

more power at it. They are not really

doing that. I mean like it's powerful

enough. Well, the there's one with 483

horsepower and they haven't announced

AMG yet.

>> That that's like normal at this point,

which I don't think is bad. It's good

that they should be a little bit

responsible and optimized for range, but

it's

>> the range thing is interesting. I read

somewhere 400 and some miles of range

>> on the WLTP, the European cycle, so call

it 300 somewhere, which is competitive.

>> Uh 800 volt electrical architecture as

it should be enough horsepower just like

every other G.

>> It looks appealing. I and I and I

applaud Mercedes for kind of retreating

from the EQ thing which wasn't working

and trying something different which I

think is is more rational. Take a

regular car you already make and just

kind of reshape it a little like the

Macan. However, the Macan EV isn't

selling. Why would we think that this

will happen?

>> Because people that are buying the

Mercedes EVs, they just want a luxury ve

experience. They're not going for like

>> nobody bought the EQE which was great

>> because it wasn't an attractive vehicle.

It looked too different.

>> You get my point though. wasn't on the

right architecture. They didn't have

enough range.

>> You get my point, though. I just wonder

realistically what the market truly is.

Again, I applaud them for taking a step

back and making a different decision

where where something was clearly not

working, but I really don't necessarily

see the the market interest in this.

>> How many Model Y did you see around?

This would be a competitor. A little bit

more expensive, but the same way that

the GLC is more expensive than a CRV.

>> Well, I Yeah. How many Model Y do you

see around? Fine, but how many how how

many any of the others do you see

around? I think that the German

manufacturer,

>> how many ZDXs you see around?

>> A decent number.

>> Well, yeah, cuz they lease at 299. And

that's the problem that these cars only

move with massive

>> incentives,

>> and that's going to be a problem when

the federal incentives end out end at

the end of this month, at the end of

September. Uh, but they need to have a

product in this segment. They need to

have a competitive product in this

segment. This, by all accounts, will be

a competitive product. Also, Europe is a

better market for them on this.

>> This is a large SUV by European

standards, but nevertheless,

>> Norway.

>> You think Norway? because they can sell

a lot of these in Norway. They're going

to in the winter you got a lot

especially Northern Europe has done a

better job of converting to EVs and this

is a comp needs to be it's a competitive

space and the GLC had an EV counterpart

and it needed to be updated

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>> BMW.

>> Yes. So BMW, not to be outdone. Go

ahead.

>> BMW announced they have the EX3 that's

coming. This car is interestingly going

to be the NA5 chassis. This car is

coming to the United States in the

summer. Yeah, it's a BMW person. This

car is coming to the US in the summer of

2026. And this car allegedly is going to

start at under 60 grand.

>> To be clear, this is the BMW's direct

competitor to the car that we were just

talking about. So they they're a close

close competitor,

>> right? And similar with range, this is a

108 kWh battery, about 400 mi of range.

They're saying it's going to even have

even better battery technology to up

that to 559 mi. Uh and this is the Noya

class stuff they've been teasing for a

little bit while for a little while.

They said they're going to incorporate

this technology into 40 new models by

2027.

>> I know that was wild.

>> Crazy. Uh, but nonetheless, I mean, I

also think this is a pretty compelling

car and shockingly a more restrained

front end from BMW, which is

>> I like the overall look too. The rear is

a little weird, but I think it looks

cool. I think it's generally like a cool

neat kind of like a neat like modern

cool exciting design.

>> Less blobby than the GLC will.

>> Well, we asked for smaller grills and

they delivered, which is very like

>> old. I agree. Less. This actually looks

like a modern like kind of futures sort

of take on this whole thing. And similar

thing to the Mercedes, there will be M

versions of this, they said going for

it, but of course not yet. Um, but

nonetheless, I think this is a pretty

this is a pretty compelling car. It

looks cool.

>> The EX, as Doug is the only person that

ever says, but is true,

>> is a compelling product. Very

compelling.

>> It doesn't have quite enough range to be

really compelling, but they improved it

with the refresh. This will too. The GLC

will be fine, acceptable as well. If it

gets over 400 miles of range, that would

be segment leading. The Q6 RON has just

>> which by the way they really are

insistent 400 miles of range which would

be really cool.

>> Yeah, that's competitive. I mean it's

finally the Germans coming out with

competitive EV SUVs.

>> Yeah, right when the market says that

they don't want uh electric welcome to

product life cycle timing.

>> It is interesting though. I would have

argued that they could have done this a

while ago. They wanted to all the

Germans took such a slowplay approach to

electric cars and they wanted to kind of

ease in and not give people the big

power right away and not give people the

big range right away and like just see

if they could kind of gate keep that at

price points and Tesla did all that

immediately and and as a result just

like owned the owned and owns the whole

segment.

>> At the same time, I do think there will

there is some pent-up demand for

luxuryish or like near luxury EV SUVs.

The Acura DX isn't a compelling product.

It's a blazer. can name a lot of these.

The Q4, I mean, there's a lot.

>> The Q4 was

>> You've seen a Q4. That's all I'm going

to say.

>> But what's your point? Like my my point

is I think there is demand for good

products from these manufacturers to

compete with the X3, with the regular

GLC, which do sell well. I think there's

some percentage that are willing to go

to EV if there's a compelling.

>> We are starting to see the the rise of

the first really good electric vehicles.

I will say

>> from Germany. Yeah. from from Germany

and Sweden. The EX90 is the first

compelling. Like there are some good I

know you don't like the EX90, but it's a

great vehicle.

>> It's a great vehicle that's not

compelling, but

>> EX is good. Like

>> I find this car to be pretty compelling.

>> I think it's pretty cool and it's going

to be fast. 465 horsepower.

>> An R3. I'd really like

>> Speaking of Euro Electrics, we got

another debut this week. This is a big

week.

>> Big week for debut.

>> What What is this thing? This is like

the Polestar 5. I didn't I didn't read

much about this. This is a sedan.

>> So,

>> yes, it is. It's a sedan that does not

have a rear window. By the way, there's

no rear window.

>> I saw that it was a sedan. I was kind I

just was kind of like, I'm good. Yeah,

there's no rear when I'm looking.

>> The reason this is both news and not

>> it has but it has a it has a full glass

roof.

>> And so, what they do is you should see

this. They they they stop at the window

that where the window would be. They're

like, "No, we're going to we're going to

that's done."

>> Fascinating. So Polestar has a bunch of

other vehicles that they've been teasing

for forever that they've been set are

coming out that might be for sale in

other markets like China. This is the

latest one and it's like a grand tour

EV. Has all the power in the world. Has

all the range in the world. No single

human will buy one,

>> right? What's the range?

>> It's actually not that much. It's 416

which is fine.

>> US EPA.

>> Uh it's a good question. I believe so.

Yeah. Um and uh 872 horsepower. It's

like they're like flagship.

>> It's like a TYON for a market that

doesn't want a flagship fit.

>> Can I tell you about the TYON? I don't

know if you saw this, but the other day,

last night, I went on Zillow and

Anchorage. You saw this whole thing.

>> I I did. I ignored it, but I saw it.

>> I went on Zillow and Anchorage and I

found a house in Anchorage currently

listed for sale that has an indoor

tennis court, an indoor basketball

court, an indoor swimming pool, an

indoor hot tub, pool table. I mean, it's

cold and you want to snuggle up with

Fippo. You can do anything you want in

this house.

>> Wow.

>> So, I was like, you know, I could move

to Anchorage for this house. And I

started looking at the Porsche dealer

and the Porsche dealer in Anchorage

still has a leftover brand new 2023

TYON.

>> This is a 23. The 26 models are coming

any day now.

>> So it's had two birthdays

>> at least.

>> Yep.

>> Right. Cuz it could have come it could

be in the fall of 22, right? Like that

that car could have been sitting there

already for three years and and whe

regardless it will be soon, you know, 23

TYON. It's got like a 140 sticker and

they're offering it for like 103, but I

think 60 buys that car.

>> Yep.

>> The question is when did they punch it

and start the warranty?

>> Y

>> um and how did this dealer in Alaska get

screwed with a two-w wheelel drive

Porsche TYON?

>> The cheapest one.

>> Anyway, my point with this is uh in

Alaska they can't sell TYON and in the

rest of the world they can't sell

Polestar fives. Do you feel

>> I mean to be clear it just came out the

the Polestar 4 also doesn't rear window

and is more competitive.

>> I don't need a pistol ball to know. Do

you feel sad, Philippo, about what's

happened to the Polestar brand?

>> Volvo couldn't get

>> abused by the Polestar brand. I mean,

the Pstar 2 was really competitive, but

then uh tariffs made it and exited the

market basically.

>> And indeed, it's no longer on sale.

>> It's a Chinese brand despite their I

mean their affiliation with Volvo. Volvo

was purchased by Gily, which is a

Chinese brand. Uh and Polestar is an

offshoot of that.

>> But it's not a Chinese brand. Like it's

it's a it's a Volvo brand,

>> but but it has been built in China. It

has been a failure since day one.

>> The Pstar one was a failure. Uh

>> the Pstar 2 became a failure.

>> Was not a failure. Then tariffs made it

a failure. Pulsar 3 also an appealing

vehicle

>> but is only available with massive

incentives because no one has any

interest in it.

>> Uh

>> and now they're coming out with sedans.

>> I this will be sold in the US. 300

something mile range for the high

performance one. By the way, um I don't

think it's a vehicle that's developed

for the US market. We look we look at

these cars and we see that's true but is

is are there markets where these are

successful?

>> Yeah, China still has a sedan market.

The Lucid Air the Lucid Air shows up has

horrible I love it too. I do I truly do.

It's not successful.

>> It's the coolest it's it I want 500

miles of range and the Lucid Air is the

only one that does it but I'm too cheap.

>> I agree. I think there's a lot of great

stuff about Lucid Air. However,

>> three mile long

>> it is not a successful car.

>> Yeah. Yeah. No.

>> And the TYON has not been a huge hit.

the Audi Ron, GT, all of those Lucid

exclusive. The some of these Chinese the

Chinese market still loves sedans and

they love luxury sedans and that's where

I think this is built for.

>> Great. Sell it in China.

>> Yeah, they

>> certainly won't be successful here or in

Europe is my

>> No. Can you imagine like maybe like

three in Germany, four?

>> Well, it'll sell a little in Sweden cuz

it's like a the Swedish politicians will

be driving this around.

>> That's true.

>> Next one. Yeah.

>> Something they won't be driving around.

The Por new Porsche 911 Turbo S. New

Porsche 911 turbo. It's a hybrid. It has

700 horsepower.

>> 700 horsepower. Yeah. So, this car, so

it does 0 60 and 2.5 seconds, 0 to 125

and 8.4, which is ridiculous. Now, of

course, this is not

>> It's the new one. It's not terribly

different looking than the

W2 isn't terribly different looking.

>> No, exactly. And this the notable things

about this car is that it uses uh the e-

turbos that Porsche has developed, which

are cool. uses electronic motors to spin

them up faster so you have less lag and

thus makes it more makes the car even

faster which I think is a genius uh

solution for that.

>> The thing with this car it also put an

unofficial lap time around the ring

where they were doing it in pre-esting

of 7 minutes and 3.9 seconds which is

fast for a road car.

>> Nonetheless, this car like I think they

said it's going to start the Turbo S is

going to start around $272,000 for the

coupe and 286 for the convertible. 28

for the normal turbo, 214 for the cab,

respectively.

>> It's such an The 911 Turbo is one of the

great Swiss Army knives of sports cars.

You can do everything with it. It's

pretty subtle. You kind of It's like you

have to know. I mean, again, truly

between the previous one and this,

honestly, even for you, the 911 and this

might be hard for you to tell,

>> but uh but it is just remarkable how

exceptional this car is.

>> You know what it can't do?

>> Hold its value.

>> That is true. But it but it depreciate I

mean depreciates less than other cars.

>> GTS's don't lose value. GT3s don't lose

value.

>> The turbos are so expensive.

>> You think they lose that much value?

>> I mean compared to other

>> Yeah. We sell 991 turbos now for 100

which is an unbelievable bargain.

>> The non sticks from prior generations do

not hold their value.

>> Unbelievable bargain. Pull up a 911

turbo. They've actually they've actually

climbed a lot.

>> There's also no 992 turbo manuals. The

911 turbo was the last one that had

>> there's no 911 turbo manual

is where it all came to an end. Yeah, I

mean but these cars I mean yeah the

turbos don't hold their values if 2000

GT3s from this era are still at sticker.

These cars are at less than half.

>> Why are we calling that 2020 whatever?

>> Dude, this is a this is an absol.

>> I mean that is a bargain.

>> Why don't you have one of these?

>> Why don't I

>> What's What is this?

>> Cuz I don't do the tip.

>> Yeah, it's a it's a but it's a it's a

PDK. It's an amazing car. I understand

but FIFA likes me. You know the problem

with the 911 Turbos, not that many

people have been in them and they don't

realize how perfect they are. Once

you've been in them, everybody I know

who's been who's been a 911 Turbo guy

won't go at anything else. Go back.

>> Click on that silver coupe. No. Or

there. There. That one.

>> What? What's the deal with this one? Can

I have this car? Is this still

available? Scroll down. This looks like

it's in Atlanta.

>> I'll take this one. Oh, Baton Rouge. The

only 911 turbo in Baton Rouge. I'll tell

you that. Jesus.

>> They they do lose value, right? I

>> it's just insane the performance that

they deliver. Everybody should buy Turbo

S's instead of GT3.

>> But of course, everybody knows that the

911 Turbo S is a fast car. It's not

surprised. The big the thing that I

thought was very funny cuz I was reading

through the press release and right

there in the bottom it was talking about

they also Porsche designers releasing a

watch that goes along with it and which

I'm like yeah great. Of course, they're

calling it oh my god they're calling it

the Chronograph 911 Turbo S which is

just like but the thing I found out

there's a configurator for the watches.

Oh my god.

>> That you can go to and you can design

your watch. Now obviously everybody

knows about the 9 like the configur.

>> Wow. I also learned that they can do PTS

colors for joking. God

>> and the watch this is these aren't the

watches specifically for for this but

prices start at $11,292

for the chronograph 911 turbo. I just I

just

>> I I would love Porsches so much if it

wasn't for

>> this um

>> they can't help it.

>> This thing this sort of thing

>> like the deviated stitching and the I

just I would love Porsche so much. But

they just this just their culture

>> sample watches.

>> They know their market really well. But

I thought that was the funniest thing

about the whole announcement. And I love

watches but I'm like

>> there was a time, you know, I was

playing Tennessee. I walked out and you

know what was in the parking lot? A 993

target.

>> Wow.

>> Stick.

>> Wow.

>> There was a time when Porsche would when

when you saw a new Porsche and you

didn't think to yourself, that person is

is trying to show off. There was a time

when it was a car for an enthusiast who

enjoyed driving and that was their only

thing and they weren't focused on what

color their door handles were or which

whether they had a globe timer or a

chronograph, whatever the hell.

>> And mind me, at that time Porsche was

profitable. Oh, no. They were bankrupt.

>> I know. No, Porsche is making more money

because Porsche is making more money

because they did the Starbucks thing.

They created this sort of like beauty

around what they do. Like there's this

everybody knows these these there's

these like code words that and there's

like this group that like if you're in

you're in. Meanwhile, Courage is the

greatest car made. They were all silver.

Go. Uh we have to move on from news.

We've been doing news forever and god we

got into watches.

>> Yes. I I got us there.

>> We need to move on to the talk car

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>> where Ford was hosting the launch of the

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cuz every time I only say yes to going

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>> Wow. Non deep. Were the uh the engineers

into you bringing the Ford GT? I didn't

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parking lot for it. That's a shame. They

would have been so thrilled to see it.

>> No, I don't I I wasn't on like a main

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between waves so I could like get the

video that I needed to do and so there

weren't like people there. Um but

>> how was the diesel version of the 4GT?

I'm not allowed to talk about my

experience,

>> but I'll tell you this.

>> You're aware of the suspension thing.

>> There's a window in the car. You can see

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>> I got to tell you, I'm not allowed to

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>> it's the same cost.

>> Two cars or a very high mile for GT. My

my Ford GT and this GTD cost the same.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's a tough pill to swallow. I

think

>> like it's a lot of money for a new

Mustang. I told the guy without

revealing how I feel about the driving.

I told the guy that I would be

interested in the car if it was a manual

and he laughed at me. So, I don't think

a manual's coming. That's my assumption.

Um, but it's a lot of money for a

Mustang regardless of how it drives.

>> But it's it's not just a Mustang. It's

very special and and and getting up with

it, I realized just how special it is.

This is a really like there's so many

cool tricks to this car. You know, the

trunk doesn't open.

>> Uh the wing is mounted on the SE-pillar.

And if you think about what that means,

it means that the trunk doesn't open.

>> And so the trunk, if only a hatchback,

>> the It's not that the trunk doesn't

open, it's that you can open it, but you

literally physically remove the painted

trunk panel. I did this. You you press

the button on the key fob to pop it like

a normal trunk. But then there are pins

you push and then you pull it off and

like you have to put it somewhere and

then the then it's open. But what's back

there is the cooling for all the

hydraulics. When you open it up there's

a radiator back there for cooling for

because there's so many hydraulic

components to the car that are like

constantly moving.

>> And um the transmission is in the trunk.

>> The transaxle as Kenan would say.

>> Mhm.

>> It's crazy. The whole car is super

trick.

>> It is. Uh, if you want to see a driving

impression, Chris Harris recently did

one with Max Vstappen where they went

and drive.

>> They're doing drives. They told me no

drives. What do you think of the GTD?

>> I I think it's really cool. I saw it at

Quail last year when it was released and

like just looking at the suspension

uprightes and how beautiful all the

billet like work is and just it's an

exceptionally well put together car.

That said, it is still a Mustang and so

like it just it's not in the most like

crazy wrapper of all cars, but

nonetheless, if you're just about the

driving is, which you can talk about,

>> they did a pretty good job though of

making it look like I mean this is want

from the GT3 RS like having the those

open and kind of the turboish thing

behind the turns out compet

>> right essentially I asked the Ford guy I

was like dude why did you guys build

this like what was going on and they

basically like Jim Farley was walking

through saw a GT3 car said can we do a

road car of it I'm sure there was some

component of Porsche makes a ton of

money doing this like why don't we try

um

>> it's built in Canada right it's built by

Multimatic

>> it's built by Multimatic so I guess it

must be built in Canada

>> okay next talk cars segment. Please move

on. Oh, I don't know why we're I don't

know what this is. I parked next to a

911 Target at the mall the other day. Do

you have any thoughts?

>> Yeah, that person probably got in,

didn't even look at your car, and like

I'm running late.

>> No, no, they that person did not want

>> that type of person doesn't look at

their watch to see the time. Their watch

is too is they don't know how they look

at their phone.

>> The There is someone who's wearing a

watch that's not even set. They just

admire the aesthetics and get in.

>> They bought a white Target. That's

probably not true. But can we talk about

the countrymen in the far?

>> Yeah. New Countryman.

>> That's all I want to say. Uh I parked

next to this target and and I was all

excited cuz it was like Yeah. He like

parked all the way over and you know and

mirrors were folded up. It was all

happen.

>> Well, you know if you have the

>> He was all excited target and I was like

I'm going to do this but he didn't. I

came back to the car before he did. I

don't know why this is a thing. Sean

wanted us to show the photo cuz it's a

cool looking

>> right. Our producer felt that this the

world has to see this was his exact

phrase

>> Carrera GT on a target.

>> You know something. Imagine you walk out

to your target and there's like I flip

out be like, "What is happening here?"

>> I would lose my mind. Like I said, this

person went to get home.

>> I wish they had.

>> Okay. Wow. We're a lot of dog stories

here.

>> Yeah. There's a lot of I don't know why

there's so much right now. I was driving

across the country,

>> a month ago,

>> and I'm in Oklahomaish

and uh I come across this.

>> You see this?

>> That's the Ford Everest.

>> This is a Ford Everest. And it hits me,

why doesn't

>> Fort Everest? Why doesn't Ford sell this

vehicle in the United States of America?

>> No, it makes no sense. I agree.

>> Pull up a Ford Everest Tremor. Type in

Ford Everest Tremor.

>> Do they sell in Mexico?

>> Uh, did they sell like Australia and

other San Diego? So, they probably

don't.

>> Yeah, right.

>> Look at this,

>> dude. It's but it's based on the Ranger.

This is a 4ERunner.

>> This is a 4ERunner. Why don't they do

this?

>> And I I didn't honestly previous Everest

models looked kind of BS and so I wasn't

that into it. I didn't realize until I

saw the one on the truck that new

Everest models look like this. This is

cool as hell.

>> Why are you not selling this in the

United States? What possible idiot

reason have you come up with to not sell

this in the United States?

>> It does look awesome.

>> The 4Runner is such a killer and it's

based on their midsize truck, the

Tacoma. Well, guess what? Ford has a

midsize truck that they already sell

here. And all they do, they put a rear

on it and they sell it like a 4Runner.

Why don't they do this? It would be so

competitive. I don't get it. What is

going on here? Go to another picture of

it.

>> I bet they I I

legitimately It's hard to explain why

they don't. Obviously, they have the

Explorer, which is a similar size.

>> No, this is this is a two row. The Edge

is canceled years ago. The Edge hasn't

been on the market in years. What is I'm

with you. Like, I'm sure they think,

okay, this is cannibalize sales from the

Bronco, but it would also add sales.

Just do it.

>> But like you would sales from the

Bronco. People People want to lift off

roof. The Bronco is one thing. This is a

4erunner. Like, give us this car. It's

so clear now that it looks like this and

is this. The previous Everest was a

little wimpy if I'm honest. Like, if you

look at the picture of the previous, it

was a little wimpy. This is not wimpy.

>> The non-trimmer trim also still a little

>> maybe, but like maybe. But that's also

true of of lesser 4Runners, right? The

TRD off-roads are like rule.

>> They should 100% sell it.

>> Well, it doesn't make any sense. And I

realized that I saw I don't know why I

was driving along and saw this one on

this truck. Uh, I don't know what it was

doing in the middle of the country. Had

a Michigan manufacturer plate. The rest

of the cars in the truck were also all

Fords, but they weren't foreign market

ones. And I realized like this is what

the Everest looks now. This car should

be sold in the United States. If this

podcast makes one contribution to the

world, and it may not. I hope that it's

that we get the Everest to sell in the

>> I feel like we should remind Mr. Jim

Farley that Toyota has 17 trillion SUVs.

And sure, they slightly compete with

each other, the Land Cruiser and 4Runner

especially. And it's okay. They still

sell a lot of each one of them.

>> Plus, how hard could it be to homologate

this for the US? You sell the Ranger,

the engine, the platform, the It's all

the same. There's nothing different. How

hard could this be? Sell the damn car

here. It's a 4Runner.

>> Don't you want another 4Runner?

>> Yeah.

>> They could call the five.

>> We're not going to talk about the bill

right now, but

>> All right. This is the best story of

all. This the best story of them all. I

was at I was in Monterey. A lot of

highlights of car week, but the number

one highlight was seeing the California

Bill of Rights license plate.

>> Was that only available in 1991?

>> Yes.

>> It was like a a 200-year celebration.

>> The only the only issue

>> 1791,

>> which was the the Bill of Rights. You

know what's funny? Everybody thinks 1776

is a birthation of independence and then

the Constitution was 1787.

>> Yeah. So,

>> so 1791 have some other date.

>> Yeah.

>> California became a

>> No, I'm not really sure. I think maybe

maybe that maybe the Bill of Rights was

finished in 1791. But anyway, the point

is they were ratified in 1791.

>> There you go. And no other state

commemorated this in any way. And I'm

not entirely sure what its significance

was to California, nor why they chose to

commemorate it with a special license

plate, which is quite ugly. And why the

liberty bill is on it. They all ended in

US. I forgot that the Bill of Rights

wasn't part of the original

Constitution. I've only seen two.

>> I've only seen two of these in the wild,

these license plates, and I would get

anything for one.

>> Yeah. Great.

>> They go on eBay. They sell for like a

thousand bucks.

>> Can they still be used?

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah,

>> that'd be legit.

>> I know. And this one is being used. It

was on some old car.

>> Well, what we saw in the prior picture

is that your Courage GT has press

photographer plates. This beats press

photograph.

>> A legitimate member of the media. I

can't believe that this is even being

discussed.

>> No, no. I I'm I'm I'm supportive. Okay,

we got to talk about Nick. No, this is

Can we talk about the thing?

>> No, we got to talk about Nick. This is

the most important thing that's happened

this week in the automotive sphere.

Nick, crazy Nick, as you know him.

>> And boy, he

>> he's on this podcast when they're out of

town. He sometimes comes on our videos.

God knows why. I think it's cuz he

doesn't have anything to do.

>> Oh, he's crazy. He's created his own

YouTube channel,

>> which is his name, Nick Roshan.

>> And he's made some videos and you got to

go and watch them.

>> They're so good.

>> They're interesting. They're unhinged.

They're Nick. They're very Nick.

>> They're very good in the sense that they

are Nick.

>> I I see Nick regularly and the days that

I miss seeing Nick. Just go watch a

video.

>> I gotta be honest, too. The videos

are Nick on like seven. Oh yeah,

>> like IRL Nick

>> like he definitely can't say some of the

stuff he says in real life videos, but

like

>> but like even then like he's not quite

as crazy in the videos,

>> but they're still great and they're

still worth watching.

>> Yeah, agree.

>> You agree?

>> I'm disappointed he didn't put the

accent mark on Mercilago in the title.

>> So he's got one that just came out and

he's got another one. Nick has been in

our content. We've been doing stuff with

him. I think we'll probably continue to

do stuff with him. Yeah. Uh,

nonetheless, he's now got his own stuff

and I want you all to go to his channel

and honestly stop watching my videos and

start watching Nick's videos. They are

more exciting. You will learn less,

>> but they are more exciting.

>> You will feel shock.

>> No, production quality is somehow worse

than mine, which is hard, but

nonetheless, the this is good,

legitimate content.

>> Yep.

>> Don't you agree?

>> I do fully. I watched that video today.

>> Yeah, that's good. I can only imagine.

What do you think hits the cutting room

floor making?

>> Very little.

>> Very little. Very, very little.

>> All right. Can we talk about other

things that are exciting?

>> What do you got?

>> All right. In just about a month, Kenan

and I will be at Road Atlanta for IMSA's

Petite Lemon race. It's a 10-hour

endurance race that includes cars like

the Mustang GT probably. Um,

>> Mustang GT3.

>> Yeah, but that's like the same.

>> Well, okay.

>> Couple of things. you we'll have a car

corral or cars and coffee that's in the

paddic. So right next to where all the

teams have their race cars, we will be

there. We're going to have a community

post and we have an events page now that

has event. We'll have a community post

where you if you are nearby if you want

to bring your car to that submit it.

Tell us a little bit of information

about it and we'll be able to pick uh

like 40ish people

>> 40ish cars.

>> Why can't we do like 200?

>> We we don't have the space yet

>> yet?

>> Yet.

>> You think next year we'll have space?

>> Keep that in mind.

>> Uh but bring out your cool car. Submit

it at the community post. We will also

>> Who gets to choose which cars come

>> personally? I do.

>> Oh, I have input into this. Don't worry.

>> If you got if you got a Saab 93,

the last one there was a SAB 93 big

yellow color and it was so cool.

>> That was a car of them in the world.

>> That was a car of the show. There were

other good cars, but that was the car of

the show. You know, I got some people on

the freeway yesterday.

>> I was in the Palisade and I got passed

by someone going hard in a Saab 93.

>> What a dream. Regular

>> regular, but it was the hatchback one,

the 99 aftermarket exhaust, aftermarket

wheels. He was living the dream. Maybe

it was a little bit on fire and he

thought going faster would put it out.

>> No, no, no. Um,

>> we also will have a charity auction up

on Cars and Bits. The first like

experience auction we've ever done. Uh

because we're going to be giving away in

partnership with IMSA a couple of VIP

tickets. Uh and the charity auction will

also include dinner with Kennan and I.

Oh.

>> On one of the days around the race. Uh

and a bunch of other extras, a uh a lap

around the track with a with a

professional race driver, a pep lane

path. All a bunch bunch of other cool

stuff. Uh with all proceeds going to

charity. So check that out, too.

>> I would like to have dinner with you

guys.

>> I'll see you tonight.

>> I mean I mean bid, you know.

news.

>> We'll see what happens.

>> You know, I had dinner with Kenna and

Fippo last night.

>> Yeah. And

>> each other way too often.

>> Me, too.

>> And it was a great experience. It was an

absolutely great experience.

>> It always is.

>> Uh Filippo talked about his 500 A bar.

>> I didn't. I should have.

>> Um

>> No, actually did not.

>> Rode Patina Lama, which is the which is

the crown jewel of the of the IMSA

series uh season at Road Atlanta.

>> Rode Atlanta, which is the crown jewel

racetrack in the state of Georgia.

October 10th and 11th.

>> October 10th and 11th. You'll be there

will be a roadside trackside cars and

coffee

>> in the paddic. It'll be really cool. Let

me ask you a question about the paddic.

>> Yeah.

>> You're there doing the cars and coffee

while the race is happening?

>> Yeah.

>> The entire time.

>> It'll be 10 hours.

>> 10 hours of Fippo.

>> 10 hours of Filipo.

>> You don't even need the dinner. You're

actually going to be at the race for 10

hours.

>> I'll be there for longer.

>> I've been to Petite Lama five times

probably in my life and I've never even

come close to staying for the entirety

of the race.

>> But I'm excited to be there. I mean,

>> it's long, dude. It's a long day.

>> Well, yeah. Hardcore endurance, baby.

>> Last time I was there, I swear to God,

>> racing and Georgia combined into one. I

have a picture of a guy who was camping

cuz it's a long race and people camp and

like grill and all that.

>> And there's a ton of like green space

where you can just kind of park and do

that. Camping with a Dodge pickup and a

Tessterosa.

>> Wow.

>> It's an amazing photo.

>> Wow. That guy is listening. Bring Bring

your Tesosa. Uh do we have anything

else?

>> Yeah, one other thing where you can see

Canon and I by this is purely behind

this. Next Wednesday we'll be at the

Peterson. Uh they are doing a trivia

night. If you go down,

>> this is the 17th.

>> This is the 17th. Kenan and I will be

MCing

>> this event. So you get to both suffer

and then enjoy the parts where Ken's

talking.

>> This is not my Countach on this picture.

Do you want to know how you can tell?

>> So many ways.

>> Got a white interior.

>> No. What's the easiest way to tell?

>> The front bumper is not scripted. That's

that is true.

>> Dwayne's here is another good

>> is a little rank.

>> Every time I see a picture of Keshach, I

look to see if the front bumper scraped.

It's like, oh, it's mine or not, it's

not.

>> Don't even look.

>> Come do some 80s and 90s trivia.

>> So, it's '8s 90s trivia, not car

related.

>> No, no, car related.

>> Oh, it's only car related.

>> I I I haven't we don't know.

>> We don't know. But you're going to MC.

You're going to MC it. Have you ever

MCed anything before?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. All right. Uh next we got next we

got to move on to the market report. Uh

however we don't have any time for the

market report.

>> Shame. True. Shame but true.

>> Uh except your your market report story.

I want to talk about the Trans Am. Can

you pull Trans?

>> We sold the Trans Am yesterday for uh

$26,000. This is a nice Transm is the

one you want.

>> I wanted it so bad.

>> Oneowner unmodified 22,000 mi.

>> This is such a cool

>> 26 grand is a deal for that. At the same

time, it's so expensive for a Firebird

Trans Am.

>> No, dude.

>> I I agree with you that it's both a deal

and too expensive. And I just I'm like

conflicted at

>> I remember we I worked the exact car

dealership I worked at had one come in

and it had 41 miles on it. It was

yellow. I got to drive unbelievably

high.

>> Pull up the nostrils.

>> But we sold that in the 40s.

>> Yeah. Yeah. These are worth money.

>> Look at these nostrils.

>> So I think

>> look at these nostrils. These nostrils

make an F50 look like a look like a

tasteful nose job.

>> Yeah, this is a lot.

>> Look at this.

>> That's what you want. Of course.

>> Of course.

>> Did it have Ramire?

>> Yeah, that was Ramire. The W6s were

Ramire. That was the Ramire hood.

>> I thought it was an option even on WS6.

>> No, maybe early ones, but not by this

must be an O2.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Not by then. Uh and it just looks

This was muscle.

>> Like like this wasn't them trying to

retro muscle. This was them trying to

still be muscle. I love this interior,

too. It is so GM. It is just insultingly

sad.

>> So GM, I love this car so much. I have

still to this day never done a video on

a fourth gen, and I want to so bad

because they're not in California. These

cars don't exist in California.

>> It's a Midwestern Hero

>> and and or or the case of this car,

Florida. I just like what's a low mile

C5 Corvette? It's I guess it's the same

cost for like a regular Corvette.

>> I would so much rather have this. I love

a C5. It's a good car, but this is way

more special. The power was not that

different and just like

>> so baller looking. Like it just is. It's

like, is it cheap? Is it expensive? I

don't know.

>> I love a good WS6. To this day, when I

see a W6 on the road, I turn my head and

watch it go by and think to myself,

that guy's got three divorces, but this

a cool car. When was the last time you

saw one? You rarely do.

>> And now it's not. They're kind of past

the three divorce guys. That was true

when I was a kid, but now it's like on

to people who are like really

enthusiasts of car.

>> Just saw a guy getting a pack of Marros.

Think about the WSX.

>> That wasn't even a joke when I was a

kid. That was who had those cars.

>> I remember they they just had those

really foamy beer koozies that they're

you know you could just picture

everything.

>> I saw Grand AM the other day.

>> What?

>> Uh the second class.

>> Oh, the pointy one. 90 94 to 98.

>> Yeah, that was the vibe.

>> Well, little Pontiac. Uh little Pontiac

pun from him.

>> Okay. Other market report I want to talk

about before we get to questions. The

Cadillac ATSV.

We just sold a Cadillac ATSV Coupe for

28. And I started looking at these

>> and it got me a thinking.

>> Do you know what this car is and has and

and and is?

>> Yeah.

>> It's a six-cylinder.

>> It's a twin turbo V6 400. It's a lot.

>> It's a six-cylinder. I will grant you.

But it is a twin turbo. Have you ever

driven one?

>> No. only a CT5V.

>> It's a whole different.

>> Now, I will now I will say if you want a

manual transmission sedan,

>> no, I've never driven a Jaguar X-Type

only an X

>> 220.

>> Well, that's the Kenon way. Um, but I

will say if you for the for the sedans,

if you want a manual transmission sedan,

your options are WRX, CT5V, CT4V.

>> Well, current production brand. This is

a fairly recent new car. And I have to

say that now these seem to I don't know

why there's a Camaro in this, but they

seem to now be running in the low30s to

high 20s.

>> Yeah. Which is a lot of car for the

money.

>> Pit one.

>> Pidens went for 78. I just

>> go to the 295 one.

>> Yeah. Well, I it was modded like etc.

Like I'm sure that turned off some

people. It looks like the kind of mods

that probably they deleted some

emissions equipment. I noticed it has

Tennessee plates. Probably wouldn't be

legal in a lot of states. But

nonetheless, the the point is at 30 for

a 465 horsepower car, everybody talks

about CT5V Blackwing, CT4V Blackwing,

which are still very expensive cars that

have held their value quite well. To me,

at this 465 horsepower, this is still a

really legitimate car. I think it was

443 horsepower, wasn't it?

>> 443. Yeah. Right.

>> Uh 464.

>> That's a real number. Like, these are

real cars and they're modern enough. It

isn't the CT4 V Blackwing. It isn't the

CT5V Blackwing in terms of

>> it's still pretty cool.

>> It's a 9-year-old car that like still

looks I mean this looks not that

different from a CT4V Blackwing. I kind

of prefer the rear window treatment, the

rear brake light treatment on the ATS.

>> I'll be honest completely. I did not

realize that it what I was talking

about. I thought it was the CT4

Blackwing. It's the kind it is a lot

there's a lot of the same

car.

>> Would you rather have it than an M3 M4?

Cuz those are not dissimilar in price.

>> I don't know about rather. My

presumption is that this is more

reliable. And I've owned a lot of AMGs

and M's and I've owned a couple of V's

and the V's were always more reliable.

>> Y the BMW is nicer inside and probably

better. This is probably more reliable.

>> I just I I don't know. I given the size

too because they're they're like they're

like, you know, B5S4 kind of size cars.

A little bigger, but they're not big,

right? They're not like modern big old

CT5 Blackwing thing. There was a coupe.

I prefer the sedan in terms of just

practicality, but they're both they're

both seem like they're deals as they

start to approach the high 20s for 465

horsepower and a and a good car. I'm

with you.

>> What about the floor is for these in the

end?

>> Yeah, this one I mean this one, the

modded one had 81,000 miles on it

>> and still sold for 30. So, they're

probably near a floor which means

they're probably not really going to

lose that much more value. We've seen

with V2s CTS the second gen CTS-V. We

call them V2s.

>> I know I'm from the Midwest. I call the

V2.

>> Hell yeah. We've seen that the V2s that

there is a floor like there is a number

where the cars do not go below

>> for a stick one. Yeah,

>> for a stick one which is what I'm

advocating for here. Although I think

the autos are probably good too.

>> I fully agree with you. I I don't think

that they're like bargains. The M3 the

the F80 M3 and F82 M4 are not that

dissimilar in price, but I would at this

point almost rather have an ATS.

>> I wonder if this sounds good cuz the M3

and M4 that generation do not.

>> I haven't driven one in forever sound

good either. I haven't driven one

forever, but I remember liking it at the

time. And I look at the car and I think

this still looks good. It does.

>> It's still cool. It's still got power

that feels like a good amount for a

modern, you know, vehicle.

>> 40 more horsepower, 10% more horsepower

than the F80 M2, F82, M4.

>> And they're they cost like less than a

new WR.

>> I know what you're saying.

>> Yeah, the people know.

>> Okay, we got to move on to questions.

Questions. Questions. Now remember, you

too can ask us questions. You go to cars

and not Bono. He doesn't ask us

questions, but he could. He could. You

go to carsbiz.com. You click on the

community tab and then there'll be a

post that says ask your questions and

then you can ask your questions. This

week we had some good ones. Not a lot of

great ones, but the ones that were great

were great. Starting with question from

J Sturdy 388 for Doug. Whistland Diesel

hit 10 million subscribers. Hell yeah.

Did

>> you really? Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Which means that the world is getting a

Bugatti durability test. Cost no object.

What vehicle would you want to

durability test? Whistland style XJT20.

>> That would not. Oh, imagine

>> how that that's a three minute video,

>> right? Yeah. No durable

>> durability test is driving it

>> turning it off.

>> Do you think

>> going down the street,

>> right? Yeah. Trying to figure out where

Don Law's actual address is. That's the

durability.

>> I would love an X220 durability test,

EB110 durability. Like, let's durability

test an old school and like go for it.

You know what I'm saying?

>> I love that plan. Do you think that it

will perform better than a subscriber

durability test? Um, anyway, I those are

the cars that I would I would love to

see like a really like vaunted beloved

80s or 90 like a vector W8 durability

test. Like let's see, we all know that

that car is beloved and like let's see

what it looks like getting smashed and

lit into a lit on fire in a field. You

know what I'm saying?

>> Love that idea.

>> No one's going to do that. And I'm very

curious how Whistlland's going to end up

doing this Bugatti durability test.

>> First, you got to buy one.

>> They're very expensive.

>> Yeah,

>> like very expensive. I assume I'll do

better than his subscriber durability

test.

>> You know what? You know what Ed Bullian

should do is get in contact with

>> sell his V.

>> Cody, no. He should call him and be

like, "Look, it sounds like you're going

to have some Veyron parts available

soon." Some parts.

>> Well, no. He's going to do a Veyron

durability.

>> No, he just said it. Bugatti. He never

announced which one.

>> Could be a type 37.

If he was smart, he would buy an old

Bugatti cuz they sell you can get old

Bugattis for like 250 or 300 and he

would buy one of those.

>> Cody does not disappoint his subscribers

except for

>> except for some reason

>> except for Yeah,

>> I'm not disappointed by any of it. I

want to just say Cody has never

disappointed me personally.

>> We're here for all of them.

>> Uh anyway, I'm excited and those are the

vehicles that I would do. Okay, next

question. This is a good one and I think

you should think of it too.

>> Okay,

>> from Amana

>> for Doug. In an alternate universe where

the Carrera GT, Ford GT, and Countach

were only produced with automatic

transmissions,

but all other cars had their manual,

their whatever transmission they had.

How would you change your collection?

I' I would not have any of the three for

sure. But it's an interesting question.

You know, I there's a car that comes to

mind that is the value of those three

combined. Yeah. An F40. I guess I'd have

an F40.

>> Yeah.

>> If there was never a Carrera GT, I

>> was going to say the answer is you'd

have a Ferrari badge in the garage.

That's what it that's the answer. If

there was never a Carrera GT, I guess I

would have got an F40 and probably a

Diablo

>> or like a Viper cuz that's like a Ford

GT replacement.

>> Yeah, Diablo is pretty Diablo is pretty

cool

>> cuz that would still have kept its

transmission.

>> Yep.

>> And it's a surprisingly decent car to

drive and it is insane.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Huh. So, you have a Countach

No, the Countach is gone. I'd have an

F40 and a Diablo. I guess

>> that'd be cool.

>> Damn.

>> I guess so. I think that's probably what

I would what I would

>> drive around in though cuz like the 4GT

is your beater.

>> I know. It's sad.

>> A 911. I bet I bet I'd get like a

target.

>> Hey, have a a Cobra Terminator Cobra.

Mr.

>> Chrome. Oh,

>> there you go.

>> Dream. There you go.

>> Or WS6 or WS6. Yeah,

>> man.

>> Probably that my probably my garage

wouldn't be would be sort of similar to

that. I maybe not ex I might have to

think about it a little more, but it

probably sort of similar that same

question to you. What if the E39 M5 had

never been a manual, but every other car

was the same?

>> It was going to originally have an SMG

transmission. They couldn't get it.

>> So was care.

Thank god.

>> Imagine.

>> I know. We came this close.

>> No. Kenan would be such an apologist for

the SMG. He would still have an 8395. It

would have an SMG.

>> That's not true. I don't think I would

have liked the car anywhere near as much

because otherwise because to be honest

with you, when that car came into my

life, the E55 AMG was what I really

wanted. because it had an automatic.

>> So, what would you get if you couldn't

get a stick on an Ethern wouldn't still

have the car?

>> Uh, no. I pro probably not. Um, I don't

know. That's a really good question.

>> 255 is a good answer, but you would have

gotten rid of it by now.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. 21155.

>> He probably have dabbled more. Like,

actually, it probably canon, right?

>> Wow. He probably would have all sorts of

different experiences and interest. They

would have been much more reliable.

Would have spent less money probably.

And yeah, that's probably true.

>> Huh.

>> Probably true. But ultimately, you know,

that's Yeah, probably 55 AMG.

>> You know what? In both of those worlds,

in both of those worlds, the world would

be worse.

>> Oh, thanks. I think

>> Okay, next question from was I feel like

Doug's got beef with Matt Watson from

Carw Wow. No way. I first of all, I

don't have beef with anybody. I It's

hard to explain the level of

um well, not caring is one, but also

support. I look, the deal is this. We,

you know, we sold the we got took this

big investment in the business. I took a

lot of money off the table. I don't I

used to be really intense about my kind

of rivalries with some of my other

creators. Um, I don't feel that way at

all anymore. I am super supportive and I

want everybody else to have kind of the

same opportunities that I had and I

really really want like cheer for

everybody's success. Uh, Matt has done

above and beyond better than almost

anybody. I personally think he really

ought to take his brand and go out and

kind of do his own thing a little bit

more than he does, which he does already

do that. Um, but Matt is great. I've met

him. I think he's awesome. I love him. I

love every every car. I can't think of

anybody I hate.

>> Do I hate anybody? Who do I hate?

>> So, there's a guy named Spike Ferris

challenged you to a tennis match.

>> And you've said no. And I consider that

to be personal.

>> I haven't said no to playing tennis with

Spike. I just am not going to go to LA

to play tennis with a guy. I'm not going

to drive three and a half miles.

>> I love Spike. I'll play with him at some

point if we're ever in the same place.

Uh, but no, I I truly don't have any um

I truly do not have any beef with

anybody that I can think of. Is there

someone that I should be thinking of?

>> Some people don't like me, which I don't

>> I don't um

>> Yeah,

>> I I don't necessarily uh blame them for.

There are a lot of people who devoted

>> True. There are a lot of people who

devoted like real effort to this craft

and a guy with shorts showed up and like

did this and I I understand how that

would be frustrating and there I can

think of three or four people in the

space who are not Doug fans. Uh and I

think regardless of the reason they give

that is probably the real reason they

don't.

>> I I will say I can't think of anybody

but for comedic reasons I will keep

pretending that there is somebody.

>> Oh that I don't like.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know who that

>> there was a time when there was never a

time when I didn't like anybody in the

space but there was there were times

when there were times when I was really

competitive with some other channels and

I know they were competitive with me too

even though we didn't talk about it

trying to get the this car first or that

number of views or whatever and that

competition feeling is gone away now and

I really really truly wish for the best

for all these guys and a lot of them

come to me and ask me opinions hey what

do you think I should do here what is

this you know I've kind of taken on this

sort of grandfatherly role in in car

YouTube.

>> Uh, okay. Next question. Uh, question.

These are Kenon. These are two good

ones, right, for you in a row.

>> Cool.

>> Number one from Boris Frank. Kenan,

would you go into the details of the

F355 purchase? Did you finance? Was it a

good deal? How could you afford it in

general? It would be quite interesting

and inspiring to how you hear how you

managed to get your dream car at such a

young age.

>> Yep. So, I mean, I did say for a pretty

long time I set out to have set out on

the goal of having the car when I was

10. Actually, the car that started all

happens to be in the office right now.

The 355 that started it all happens to

be here.

>> Tip cab. It is tipcap, but you know,

that's that was the first exotic car

experience I have and man is it special.

But anyway, I rode in that car one time

in late May 2005 and I really I like got

out of the car and said I wanted to have

a 355 and I started working and saving

and then I, you know, used it as my

motivation through school to like keep

working and all these things. Eventually

I got to cars and bids and things were

going well. We got an investment from

the company, got some money out of that,

too. And that was the time it was I

realized it's like the values were also

starting to go up very fast. All of a

sudden 355s, even spiders were really

taking off. I thought finally I'm at the

point where I can afford this car. Is

the goalpost going to get moved because

the market realizes how special it is?

So I jumped into one and I bought the

car. I did finance a part of it cuz the

rates weren't that bad at the time. And

so I I did that. Um and uh it it that

that arriving at that point when there's

a difference between

being able to do something and then you

should do something and that was the

problem cuz I rushed a little bit too

much into that one. I did a PPI on it. I

did all my due diligence and I still

ended up with the wrong car. So I but I

was in such a hurry to buy one that

ultimately um I got one that wasn't the

color I wanted and a whole bunch of

other And that was where it sort of

started.

>> You then fixed the things that were

problematic. And

>> I did fix all the things that were

problematic. We sold on the site for

more than much more than I paid for it

even with the maintenance in it. Um,

which I was very fortunate to do. So,

but I did get to have the experience. It

didn't actually cost me anything.

>> We uh ever want to have the experience

again?

>> Absolutely.

>> Wow.

>> The thing with the 35 that blue salvage

title GTS that isn't that he wanted the

perfect one instead. He gets one that's

a different body color.

GTS.

>> I want that carnival transmission. I

want Rosa Corsa 10 Spider 98 six-speed.

That's the car I want. Um, and I will do

it again, but there's a thing about

Ferrari that they're great third cars.

They are not good as a secondary sports

car experience. It's not fast enough.

It's not uh the inputs aren't as good as

good as like to be honest with you a

Porsche. I think having my car a Porsche

and then maybe a Ferrari down the road.

>> Wow.

>> Is like the right road to go down. But

it was wonderful. I my goal was to have

it before I was 30 and I accomplished

that cuz Enzo Ferrari once said I build

cars for young men only old men can

afford them and so that's why I did it.

But um I do have regrets about it but I

also don't regret the first time driving

on the PCH and screaming myself going I

this is it.

>> Well and plus you got out of it. I mean

like I think ultimately you shouldn't

have any regrets at the end of the day.

Like you sold it, you know, like you got

in, you got out, you did what you

wanted, you could go out. My regrets are

that it's so hurt me to have set that as

a target that now I like the reason I

haven't bought another car is like well

partially because I don't want to spend

$100,000 on another car right now, but

it's a bad time to do that. But also

there's just nothing that was as much of

a northstar as that car was for me. It's

just like it's just the coolest. And I

still think they are just the coolest

and it sounds so damn awesome and

there's nothing that delivers. I think I

will approach it with a different

perspective when I do it again.

expectations.

>> Kenan Kenan is Kenan is still

interested.

>> Look at it.

>> I agree.

>> That one. Yeah. My friend Ryan and

Gary's car is immaculate and I'm going

to miss it when it leaves the office,

but it's a treat to have it here for now

while they're redoing their garage

floor. They could do that again anytime

they want. I like seeing it.

>> Okay, next question. Next question.

There's a couple good more good

questions, but we're running out of time

here. What do we do? Uh, this one's from

me and Filippo.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Uh, King Burrito 3. What are your guys'

favorite everyday cars? If you were

buying a boring consumer economy car,

what would you choose?

>> Um, I think about this a lot because I

only ever drive special cars and some

days I just wish that I was blending in

>> and I think what would I get? Like

occasionally I'll be in a press car and

it's just like a hybrid SUV and I'm like

this is kind of nice, you know?

>> And you know what I would you know what

I would hope I often have thought about

this.

>> What I hope that I would find my way to

>> would is an Accord hybrid.

>> It's a good answer.

>> That's a good answer. I would hope that

I non-enthusiast Doug found his way into

a cord hybrid or maybe a CRV hybrid. The

person writing in actually says that he

just got an Insight that too. I would

the the most recent one like the the the

one that just ended. I would I would

love one of those two. Anything like

that,

>> right?

>> I Yeah, I'm a very situation specific. I

would optimize for what my needs were at

that moment. So, there's a lot of cars,

but I strongly think the Mark GTI is one

of the best allaround like economy car.

>> Yeah. But it's also like,

>> you know, normal car. There's a lot. It

would so depend on which was cheapest at

that moment. An an Ionic 5, a regular

Ionic 5 EV, an EV, enough round, like

enough practicality, enough ground

clearance. There's a trillion cars that

are all just incredibly good buys for

that purpose.

>> Yeah, 5 is probably the right,

but there's a lot of others, too. I

would just, if I weren't into cars, I

think I would buy for longevity. And I

don't think at least EV would be what I

would be looking for. I think that I,

knowing me and knowing how I treat other

products that I don't care about, would

just buy something that's like good and

last.

>> And Accord hybrid is not about

>> and I would get an Accord hybrid and I

would just be like happy to get a

midsize sedan with 40 m per gallon and

I'd be totally chill with that.

>> There are a lot of other good I have

like a mental list of the order I would

go in to consider it. I just haven't

done that experiment in a while.

>> We Yeah, the lottery was a billion

dollars recently and we all had our

supercar dreams. Filipo had his

practical car dreams of the list you

>> super there's no super car I would buy

even if it won the lottery.

>> Well, right. That's what he's saying.

practic. No, I know. I just want to

confirm that for everybody. If anybody

had confusion,

>> you know, you know, Philip, you didn't

need to.

>> Last question. We're going to stop here,

even though there's some other good

ones. We'll do them another time. Too

soon. Junior asks, "Question for Doug.

Do you have any insight into what seems

like the death of automotive content on

YouTube? Many once popular channels are

now struggling to average 20 to 50,000

views per video." Uh, short form.

Felipe, tell me about short form because

you love short form. I do love short

form. Uh,

YouTube has changed. First of all, just

because a channel was successful once,

if they didn't adapt, pay attention to

what their viewers wanted to watch,

views will go down. Not so because

they're bad bad creator or bad at it,

just if they want to keep making the

same type of content, their views will

probably change and go down, they might

go back up at some point, but what

consumers want changes. Uh short form is

also at this point the discovery

mechanism for YouTube. If you want to be

discovered as a creator on YouTube or

Instagram or Tik Tok, short form is the

answer to that because that is what each

of those platforms is pushing as a way

to engage users. So, you're much more

going to get discovered with your short

form, which can translate to long form

content, too. Sometimes, this is not

unique to automotive. The person writes

in asking about the death of automotive

content, I presume because they are an

automotive view content viewer. However,

I have noticed this upon on basically

every type of content um because a lot

of people have moved on to short form

and Filipo's like the younger generation

has no attention spo

but I hear that from people.

>> There's also long form that still

performs well but it's from different

creators or a different style of content

or a different format. Um, it changes,

>> but you should keep supporting the

channels that you like the content of.

And a lot of channels have understood

that, like the Smoking Tire does, that a

Patreon is a good way for them to keep

doing similar content or other ways to

support them with merch or whatever else

where you can still try to get the

content that you're looking for.

>> Yep.

>> But that's it.

>> Short form has killed long form.

>> Tastes changed, but short form has not

killed long form. It has changed.

>> It's changed the discovery for your

content.

Thank you for watching our podcast

everyone

>> with the very long form that it is

>> the finest of forms.

>> The longest of forms. Goodbye.

>> Bye.

>> Goodbye.

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