New McLaren F1 Is Not A McLaren, Doug Goes Carspotting In His Countach, WRXs Ranked! THISCARPOD! 74

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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm

>> Ken. I'm Felipe.

>> And we've rejoined. We're back here

together

>> in the office.

>> Although we were back here together last

week

>> when we did a podcast with R.J. Scaring,

the founder and chief executive of

Rivian

>> and Philippa's older brother.

>> Yeah. Apparently, we look alike.

>> I mean, there's a lot of similarities.

There were also comments that he's my

younger brother, which is a little rude

cuz I'm notably younger. It turns out

>> we did that pod. Go watch it if you

haven't yet. But on this pod, we began

with

>> Wait, can I say one of the news?

>> Last week we were all at Monterey Car

Week and a lot of people came up and

said hi to Doug, to Ken, and to myself.

Thank you for saying hi and just for

like

>> I got more on that later. We'll cover it

later. Move on to the news. And the

first news story is

>> ah yes, something that was revealed at

the quill. This is the GMA S1LM.

This is the Gordon Murray Academy as you

so lovingly call it. Well, they have a

they have a subsect of their academy

called Gordon Murray Special Vehicles

which is going to be building one off

projects and that is exactly what this

is.

>> Well, not really.

>> Now, some people Well, not exactly

considering they're going to build five

of them.

>> It's a five off.

>> It's a five off, but there's no word in

English. We'll call it a five off, I

guess. But, you know, so this car is

it's quite special, but underneath it's

it has it uses a lot of the stuff from

the T50. It uses a larger version of the

Cos V12. Goes up to 4.3 L, makes over

690 horsepower, but it has

>> a lot in common with another car that

Gordon Murray worked on, and that would

be the McLaren F1. It looks

>> not identical, but dang close.

>> Modern reinterpretation F1. And we're in

Quail, and there's now a resto mod for

everything. Yeah,

>> there is there is there was a Ferrari

400 resto mod. There was a 928 resto

mod. There's those launch stratos resto

mods. This is after the success of Icon

and Singer, right? Icon with the Land

Cruiser, Sing with the Porsches.

Everybody's coming to do resto mods.

>> Gordon Murray, Gordon Murray Academy has

done a restood of his own vehicle. Yeah.

>> Right. Pretty impressive. Bold, some

would say.

>> They're building five of these. They're

all being sold to the same individual.

>> Same individual allegedly for around $15

million a car.

>> 15 million a car. So the thinking is

that GMA in order to raise some funds,

>> worked with this guy. He gave him

>> 60 mil

>> 60 million and he got some cars out of

it which probably didn't cost anywhere

near 60 million to build since it's

largely the same as the T50

>> 75. I apologize. I did it for four. My

bad.

>> Wow. Fo,

>> I was relying on you. I know.

>> Flea's wife was a math teacher

something.

>> You buy four, you throw one in for throw

one in for free. The point the point

remains that that that may be what

happened. But regardless, there's now a

new McLaren F1 center seat.

>> Yes, three seats just like the McLaren

F1. I mean, it's got a lot in common.

Even the script for LM looks a lot like

the McLaren F1 LM script. Now, I can't

imagine McLaren is too happy about this

that this car looks so similar and was

done by, you know, the guy who designed

it. But nonetheless, it is cool. Some of

us feel like this is probably what the

T50 should have looked like all along.

Um, but nonetheless, it was cool to see

it there at the quail. Um, I liked it

personally.

>> So, it's called the S1.

>> Yeah. surprises like the Invicta.

>> S1 LM. So if you say if you say it fast

enough, F1 SM F1 S1 F1 S1 F1 S1

>> S1 F1. How do British people say S? Do

they do they say like zed? Is there

something for S?

>> No.

>> Like said,

>> yeah.

>> Um, okay. Well, there you go. So, we

have a new McLaren F1 and we're very

excited about the uh concept of it.

>> I will say I walked I I I saw it

revealed was there walked by.

>> I was extent to which I thought about I

think it looked cool as hell.

>> I think to be honest, I think that's how

Fippo viewed most cars at

>> quail. I think it looked cool as hell.

I'm not a McLaren one guy or McLaren guy

or a Gordon Murray guy. My view is GMA,

GMC. Well, I don't know. Good Morning

America.

>> Good Morning America.

>> Wow.

>> But that's the first that's all I think

about. Same. But this particular car is

very very very very cool.

>> It is. It is. It I have uneasy feelings

about it, but I I generally like it. We

were we were watching T50s drive around

there at the Monterey Car Week.

>> Yeah, we saw someone grind second gear.

>> Saw second get grinded. Uh so there you

go. Okay, next news story, please. Ah,

this is a good one.

>> Important news story of the week.

>> Who's taking this?

>> Oh, certainly me. Cannot. All right.

You're familiar with the Nissan

Frontier.

>> The Frontier, America's favorite pickup

truck.

>> You're familiar with with Roush, the

tuning company.

>> Gerald Roush. Yeah. They're they they

give

>> What do they do?

>> They tune Mustangs. They get 700

horsepower out of Mustangs. You're

telling me there's a Frontier 2. There's

a Rous Frontier.

>> This is the news we're looking for.

>> Instead of it being called the Pro 4X as

the regular Frontier Pro edition

off-road edition is, it's a Pro 4X R.

>> Cool.

>> Okay.

>> And you know what it gives you?

>> What does it give you?

>> Exact same power.

>> Power. Uh, it does give you some actual

things. It gives you uh Olan's uh

suspension components, a 2-in lift, some

some external gas reservoirs.

>> You know what I think? But no mech, no

other changes. I was reading about this

earlier. You know what I think? And I'm

going to posit this to you, and you can

decide what you want to do with it.

>> Okay?

>> The reason there's not more power is

because Nissan has already extracted

every inch of horsepower out of whatever

motor powers the Frontier,

>> some sort of ancient V6, probably. And I

think that and I think that it's

impossible to uh improve upon the

engineering prowess

>> that they did

>> when designing this powertrain back in

2007.

>> That heat engine is as tight on its

efficiency curve as it could possibly

get. Great.

>> Gordon Murray, he couldn't if you let

Gordon Murray loose under the hood of

this car, even he couldn't get three

more horsepower out of it.

>> Hell, I mean, he had to got he had I

mean, this engine was small. Four liters

went to 4.3. That's easy. That's a

layup. This thing, this is 3.8 L.

>> This is a 3.8 L.

>> Yeah. I can't think of what else it's

shared with. Nothing. I think

>> what what power uh is the new Frontier

have?

>> Uh the new Frontier has 310 horsepower.

>> 310. That's what I'm telling you. You

would think

310 horse out of a 3.8 L V6.

>> I'm sure Rous was thinking, hey, you

know, we often

>> uh supercharge and turbocharging

vehicles, and here's the one that's

naturally aspirated. We can't possibly

do anything with that. It would be cool

to see a Frontier with a blower on it. I

uh I and I'm sure many of the audience

will remember there used to be an

Extereroa with a blower on it from the

factory,

>> of course.

>> And it brought the horsepower from 180

to 210.

>> Hey, think about it this way. That's

like 27%. Or 17%, excuse me.

>> Pretty big jump.

>> Yeah. And and and it would have been

nice to do something here like bring

this horsepower from 310 to 3 325.

>> Yeah, that would have been nice. Well,

the the Owen stuff sounds kind of legit,

but the rest of it seems kind of

>> Can you buy this at dealers?

>> You will be able to. So, it's not a

dealer installed option. It is truly a

from my understanding something that

Nissan will sell,

>> but it's something going to be offered

by Nissan,

>> the Pro 4XR, the Rous version,

>> right? Nissan, a company continuing to

struggle. Ah, this will fix it.

>> Well, to be fair,

>> and then they they they let you put on

the blower.

>> Oh,

>> remember when Toyota used to offer TRD

superchargers from the dealer?

>> Of course, that would have been cool.

>> That would have been cool,

>> doesn't it? Maybe they still do. People

did it. When I lived in Atlanta, there

was a guy on my street who had a four a

third gen 4Runner, which is truly God's

chariot. Um, with a with a TRD hang

truck.

>> That's right. God's two-car garage.

Third gen four.

>> No, no, no. The Cross Cabriolet. Forget

about that. Belongs in there, too.

>> Uh, okay. Rous Frontier. Obviously, the

major news story of the week, but we'll

move on to some other lesser news

stories. Like, for example, Volkswagen

supposed to be Filipo Volkswagen guy.

>> Correct. Uh, there is a news story out

of the UK this week.

>> The UK?

>> The UK.

>> Which part? Wales.

>> I actually do assume this is a UKwide

situation, but maybe

>> the whole

Northern Ireland. They're all

>> I I haven't independently confirmed, but

I think so. Yes. Um, they are now in one

of their models in the ID3, I believe,

uh, allowing you to pay for extra

horsepower every single month

>> as a subscription.

>> As a subscription service. So you you

can buy an an ID3. It has uh 201

horsepower,

>> but

>> damn.

>> But

>> hot hatch.

>> But if you pay £1650 a month, maybe it

is actually just not not

>> Yeah. What do they give you?

>> They give you an extra 27 horsepower.

>> Whoa.

>> For 16.

>> Yeah. Or or you can which is 165 a year.

There's like a discount if you do.

>> That's a bargain. or 649 pounds for

eternity and it stays with the car.

>> Okay, I want to say a couple things

about this. First off, that's 20 bucks a

month. And can you turn off like think

about this, okay? You got a month where

you're going to go hard.

>> You you you up the horse.

>> Exactly.

>> You're going to Donington, want to

increase your power for a little bit,

next month, dial it back down.

>> 50% more.

>> Huh.

>> Basically, um $650

perpetually makes sense. I mean, that's

what manufacturers have always done. You

pay more for more power

>> for a performance package. I don't like

this.

>> I support this fully. Think about how

often people buy cars that they don't

need. They buy an F250 cuz one time a

year they go towing.

>> They buy the bigger engine cuz sometimes

they want performance.

>> Do you think that at some point Ford

will allow you to pay for towing as a

subscription?

>> Yes.

>> The world is

>> That's the analogy he made. I know.

Didn't we take a lot to connect the

>> Okay. You are commuting around your

small British town and your 200

horsepower, which by the way is two

times the horsepower that the gas

equivalent probably has. The Polo has

100 horsepower. You already have two

times that. You don't really need the

extra 27 horsepower.

>> But sometimes you're going to go to that

HDP event, you're going to do some

autocross, you want it, you'll pay for

that month.

>> Yeah. I mean,

>> it's just not that much power for the

money.

>> Yeah, but it's not that much money. It's

It's $20.

>> It's $20. Would you pay 20 bucks to have

to have uh what was it? 25 more

horsepower in your Ether.

>> Yeah, you would. Don't even think. Come

on.

>> Probably not every month.

>> Exactly. Exactly. You could make that

choice.

>> I think I just would do the upgrade and

that would be it.

>> You would do the upgrades on Well,

that's off.

>> I always want the Mac.

>> That's available also. So, you could do

that if you want.

>> I will say the general response is what

you're saying, which is they could have

just offered more power.

>> Yeah, but they could have just offered

less power, too. And now here's the in

between. I think from the subscription

services I'm more irritated that like

Toyota does it for heated seats. Like

that's kind of

>> BMW and BMW. Yeah. I don't that's

irritating. Like I know that the car can

do like that's that's a comfort feature

for the whole car.

>> You pay from November to March and then

you don't.

>> Yeah. Do people could you do that one?

>> I can't imagine it's it really allows

you to turn it off and on at that.

>> Can you imagine you are like really like

fighting for your life driving with

somebody else? You're getting car

jacked. Do you want the extra 27

horsepower? Can you like go in the app,

request it, and it just happens?

>> Um,

>> or you're really cold one morning, you

want heated seeds.

>> It's Yeah, it's just like it gets

>> probably requires an over the like an

update overnight. Um,

>> I don't find this objectionable.

>> I don't like it.

>> Subscription based stuff people find

objectionable in cars because we've

known for years a car is something that

you buy and have. They are offering the

ability to do the extra power for a lump

sum which is just normal

>> and better than what Tesla does with

like supercharging and stuff.

>> It is an interesting thing especially if

you can turn it on and off at a you

don't think 20 bucks you can just yep I

want more power today.

>> I just I just want it all the time.

>> I'd pay for the package and that would

and that's what I would do. I don't see

the purpose of having it monthto month.

Like I I just would want it all the

time. Why would I want less? Like just

get the best.

>> I just don't understand that. But

>> it is interesting. I think that the fear

really is that it opens the door to more

automakers doing more subscription based

things charging more money.

>> That's my problem. I think is I think

that's the issue. It's like what else is

going to become a subscription service

for you for you? Like maybe having a

second mirror as a European maybe that

>> if you pay the subscription service, you

get a passenger side door mirror.

>> That's right. Yeah.

>> And and if you don't the next month they

come take it away.

>> It is it is an interesting concept that

could benefit the consumer though.

Surely it won't because it's being done

by greedy corporations. But but but when

you do think about it, like there are

people who wouldn't need a passenger

mirror or who wouldn't need some stuff

that cars have like you get in a car,

right? And there there's stuff that in

our Mercedes-Benz station wagon, we have

that Mercedes assist where you say,

"Hey, Mercedes."

>> Never used it. Never will use it. Right.

>> If if I could have that be a

subscription feature,

>> right?

>> Right. and you only pay per month for

it. You just wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't.

>> The trouble is I suspect they'll it'll

be like the packages will become

subscriptions. So they'll put stuff in

that you don't put one thing in that you

actually want. It'll cost a lot more

when you get a bunch of stuff you don't

want. Maybe I hate packages.

>> But it it is an interesting concept,

right? Like like in theory there is

stuff like, hey, maybe I don't want a

power tailgate. Like I bet he wouldn't.

I bet he wouldn't. If if it was five

bucks a month to have a power tailgate,

I bet you

>> there's no shot I would pay for any of

these.

>> Yeah, Bitcoin.

>> It becomes a real question. the I was

driving the Ribbon R1S around and you

can buy like a package that gives you

access to like a Spotify app and an uh

Apple Music app.

>> I don't think I would.

>> Well, you can still play Spotify through

Bluetooth,

>> but or you can have the app in the car

for

>> I don't think I would pay for that.

>> It it it you see subscription based

features actually becoming beneficial

for all those people like I don't need

all this crap. Well, well, if then maybe

you get you sold the base car and you

subscribe to everything and then you

choose like I don't want any of this

stuff.

>> Would I?

>> They will never do that. Automakers will

never do that. Then would I pay for

adaptive cruise? Yeah, but maybe only if

I'm going on a road trip.

>> Yeah, I can see certain Yeah, I can see

certain features like that, but power

like I all the power.

>> It will be bad for the consumer, but I'm

not like intrinsically objective to it.

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>> All right, we got to move on to the next

story, which is a fantastic one. This is

Can you talk about this? I haven't read

about this, but I'm so excited to hear

about it.

>> So, uh, Ford has a CO. His name is Jim

Farley.

>> Jim Farley. I like Jim.

>> I went to high school with his niece and

nephew.

>> He mentions it every time. from Jim.

>> Probably

>> that's his that's his flex on this.

>> Yep. That's my flex on it. Uh if Jim

Farley, if you listen to know,

>> is that something

>> in the Midwest? Absolutely.

>> Everybody in the Midwest went to high

school as somebody's niece.

>> Yeah. Also, it might be his like

cousin's

>> going Jim Farley said in an interview

this week, literally two days ago, that

he is thinking about building a uh like

the car competitive vehicle. a very

expensive off-road like $300,000

off-road sports vehicle

>> supercar specifically.

>> Yeah, an off-road supercar. He said kind

of building on the Mustang GTD.

Something that is like purely focused on

the car. He had a quote where he said,

"I want to win the car way more than I

want to win Formula 1."

>> Well, I think that I mean,

>> I mean, don't get me wrong, the car is

an incredibly prestigious race and it's

unbelievably difficult to win. Little

different than winning a Formula 1

season as a constructor. Um,

>> so maybe this is the better approach.

>> But I mean, Ford does take part in that

car already.

>> They want to go all in. Dude, if they

did

>> if they did like a 939

>> version,

>> a 93.

>> The problem is it'll be Mustang based.

>> Yeah.

>> But if they did a street a $300,000

off-road supercar, I'm interested.

>> The I was interested in Sorado and I'm

just as interested in this. The goal was

a,000 horsepower partially electric,

>> fully digital or digitally enabled.

>> It's over.

>> It's interesting. He basically said,

"I've been thinking about this." And

then alluded to the fact that when he's

thinking this deeply about a project,

generally it happens.

>> What a yawn. They were so close.

>> No.

>> Make a lifted Ford05 GT.

>> Can you do me a favor? Can you pull up a

local motors? That's what I saw. I'm

thinking local.

>> Yeah. No, Local Motors is You can You

can go to our site. You can go a few.

We've sold many. We've sold more.

>> We have We

sold three.

>> That one. That little puppy. I drove

that puppy around Big Bear. That puppy.

This is what comes to mind for me for

some reason.

Not this one.

>> Yeah, this is a dream, dude. Civic

taillights.

>> Yeah, I think they' probably do it

without the Civic tail lights. They

they'd obviously use Ford Fiesta

taillights.

>> Uh, nice brand correct, but this is what

I'm picturing just with a 1000

horsepower and done a little better

would be nice.

>> Um, dude, it would be so cool.

>> I would love an off-road Here's what I

want. Here's what Here's what I want.

I'm going to tell you what I want is

going to build it.

>> Oh my goodness.

>> 05 Ford GT.

>> Yeah. modernized just a little.

>> Digital screens everywhere. Yeah,

digital screens, LED lighting,

>> the edges at work would be nice. Turn

signals at work would be nice.

>> All that stuff works in my car.

>> Well, I mean, work is a relative term. I

mean, this is straight down at 6:00 is

empty on the gas gauge and straight up

at 12:00 is full. Someone would say it's

90° off.

>> It's a little more complicated than that

now.

>> Also, the turn

>> the the turn signal makes a noise. Like,

not like a beep noise.

>> That's how cars work. No, that's a

servo. He doesn't know anything about

servos.

>> What servo are you actuating for your

taillights? That's a

>> The point is this. All right. 05 Ford

GT, which is the greatest Ford ever

built.

>> Okay.

>> Lift it.

>> Yep. Like tires,

>> four-wheel drive, bullbar three,

overhead roof lights, like a Strato, but

don't like commit more to it. Like the

Storado, as cool as it is, does not have

enough ground clearance, does not have

good enough tires, does not have enough

off-road capability.

>> Yeah.

>> Give me an 054 GT with off-road

capability. And that is a and sell it to

me for 300. That's a car that sells for

800 in 10 years.

>> Jim, you listen?

>> Probably not. He's probably not

listening. Although, I got to tell you,

both of you, I was absolutely astonished

at in Monterey at the number of industry

people who came to train and told me to

listen to this podcast. Absolutely. And

legit people. And so, uh, so maybe

thanks for listening. God knows why you

are for great advice like that. Uh, I do

think that this would be legitimately

>> Yeah, absolutely. I really hope they

build it. I think it would be cool.

>> I have a suspicion it won't sell. You

know, the Sorado had a really hard time

finding buyers for Sorado. Um, I don't

think there's actually that much of an

interest in this off-road supercar

thing. The car does okay, the Porsche.

However, 20 years, this will be another

one of those Fords that that becomes

valuable in the future. Do you remember

the Maky Rally? It still exists. I don't

know the

>> Well, I remember there was there was an

intent to make it like a real off-road

sporty Maki and then they toned it down

and created

>> it. Looks cool.

>> It looks cool. I've seen one. I saw it

last week.

>> I don't pay attention.

>> Yeah, I only look at the Maki premium.

>> Oh, nice.

>> Uh, okay. Give us our next news story,

which is the best one of all. Cadillac.

Cadillac's come out with something

called curated, named after John

Tamaran's business. Lamborghini has the

Lamborghini John Tamaran. Now Cadillac

has the Cadillac curated.

>> Yeah,

>> everybody's getting in the John Tamaran

game. So,

>> can't blame them.

>> Curated by No, you can't blame them. The

man sources cars anyway. Curated.

Curated by Cadillac with this blurry

picture. They're going to offer oneoff

or like paint a sample colors for the

CT5V Blackwing, your dream car. And the

way it's going to work is that car

apparently costs $100,000

without a special color

>> for something like $58,000.

You can get a special color. He laughs.

I'm going to tell you something. The

Gulf Blue CT 5V Blackwing in 30 years is

a 600 car.

>> Well, that's a bold I think.

>> I mean, my goodness, dude. What's split

window worth? This is the split window

of the modern era. Flyy split window.

>> You know what the difference was? That

the window is split in that one. This

one's just a color. So, can you do the

interior as well or just the exterior?

>> They're doing interior stuff, too. You

can do a lot of stuff.

>> It's also hand painted. I think

>> they did a hand. The 20th anniversary

version of this car was hand painted,

which I think is wild. Like, I don't

want that.

>> They made a what

>> of uh you know, probably a V.

>> Yeah, I think cuz it came out in 04.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's uh 24.

>> Yeah.

>> Um a lot of math today. A lot of basic.

>> I think this is cool as hell. The price

is obviously significant, but they it

says down here extremely limited

availability. There only limited demand

only a that's probably true. It's like

the Celeste limited availability,

limited demand works. It's unlike Aston

Martin where there's there's there's

significant availability and limited

demand,

>> right?

>> But extremely limited availability. And

what's going to happen here is only a

few people are going to do this, but

those Black Wings are going to be the

ones that are going to be preserved like

GNX's plastic still on them. And in 50

years, they're going to be selling at

auction cars and bids,

>> of course,

>> for real money.

>> I'm serious.

>> You think the issue is that people get

to choose the color? Yeah.

>> And they're going to choose just like

Porsche people do. They're going to

choose a slightly different shade of

black.

>> That's right. And and so as a result, I

think the few that are chosen in really

good colors are going to really be worth

money.

>> Maybe there are there's a large

selection of colors. How much is Porsche

paint sample? Like 12

>> these days? It's like crazy money. And

it depends on whether you choose a

heritage color or your own color or a

non-heritage color or a slightly

heritage color. All the Porsche guys

know all this stuff.

>> I love the CT5V truly Blackwing.

Do I love it at $160,000?

>> I think that you're missing the point

here. I think that this car I think the

CT5V Blackwing very well preserved, very

special ones, the special editions, this

they will go down in time.

>> Interesting.

>> You you look at what the CTS-V wagons

are doing on the used market. Um, I

think this car I truly believe this car

40 years down the line has a very

special place in the car enthusiast

world. I truly believe that

>> manual ones like like if if you do this

to it in general I think

>> yeah I think there's a very good

positive modern classic. This is a

>> Yeah, this is a modern and people always

ask me what modern cars are going to

appreciate. I don't know if this one's

going to like blow up appreciate like an

F40 did but this car will be appreciated

on the used market. The used market will

desire this car. It will never

depreciate to nothing. It is a special

car, especially with three pedals.

>> Do you think that John Denishian is sad

he didn't think about it when he moved

Brooklyn Cadillac to Brooklyn?

>> What happened to him? By the way, I was

talking with somebody this week about

him. Is he still like around?

>> Good question.

>> Johan Denishian. Here's let me tell you,

let me tell you all a little story about

this man. This man,

>> absolute genius at Audi. He shows up and

Audi has the following products. I'm not

making this up. They have the 80 and the

90, same car. Then they have the 100 and

the 200 different cars.

He says, "I got an idea. Let's call them

A4, A6, A8." Absolute brilliance. The

Audi brand is turned around. Audi is a

saved. It is the greatest, probably the

greatest turnaround in modern automotive

history. Then they bring him over to

Infiniti. You remember this?

>> Mhm.

>> Infiniti says, "We're going to do it.

We're going to get this guy." And so he

renames the entire Infiniti line Q40,

Q60 in instead of a turnaround. He does

turn around Infinity. It goes from

moderately successful to absolutely

awful. So then they bring him to years

he was there. Yeah.

>> Then they bring him to Cadillac and he

does the same thing. He renames all the

cars. They had CTS, ATS. He renames them

CT4, CT5, CT6, XT5. And Cadillac's doing

okay. I guess

>> he then well he also moved them to New

York City.

>> Moved New York. They're back in Detroit.

>> He then worked as the chief operating

officer for Volkswagen Group North

America.

>> Uh

was the president and CEO of ARRI

Americas. something

>> that that move to New York was the

smartest thing anybody ever did for

Cadillac and they wouldn't let it stick

cuz Detroit people in Detroit don't

understand why a brand like this maybe

should be based in New York.

>> Let me tell you something else about his

LinkedIn currently. He is currently the

chairman of the board of the Chattanooga

Area Regional Transportation Authority.

That's a surprise.

>> I hope he lives in chat. All right. Is

that is that all our news stories? Cuz

we got other stuff to talk about. Uh we

got to talk about a lot of other stuff

in the talk car segment. Now the talk

car segment is brought to you by black

t-shirts. Oh, I'm wearing one,

>> Henley.

>> We all are. Uh, okay. The talk car

segment. In this segment, we talk about

cars. Now, the first thing I want to

talk about, we were at Monterey Car

Week. Now, if you went to Monteray Car

Week, you'll be excited to hear about

this. If you didn't, you're tired of it.

You don't want to hear any more talk of

Monterey Car Week, but I'm about to give

you the definitive rap.

>> Oh, wow.

>> My goodness.

>> This is it.

>> I want to start by saying the following.

>> I don't even think this is a hot take.

I'm going to say it. The police presence

was strong and from my view the police

pulled over the right people.

I didn't see I saw very few

>> I saw I saw near an unmodified car get

pulled over and I saw many I saw many

cars with with windshield sticker

graphics that they were part of some run

some race some event get pulled over

frequently with you know on neons doing

burnouts off in

>> south you know I drove a lot I drove my

own car there and back you took the

counter drove around in the Rivian

>> I didn't get have one issue didn't have

a single issue with the cops.

>> Interesting. It is interesting.

>> Now, on Instagram, I noticed there were

a couple people who crashed their cars.

There is a video going around of a GT3

RS doing donuts in an intersection,

crashing into a Tacoma. And there was a

video of a Audi R8 uh that slid into

something.

>> I talked to the guy genuinely moments

before that happened. I was pulling out

somewhere and he was pulling and he

recognized me.

>> Both of those cars had the GT3S was

modded with one of those heinous rear

wheel. Both of those cars, if you had

asked me at the start of car week, "Are

these cars going to crash this week?" I

would have said, "Yeah."

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz the R8 had decals and graphics.

>> So, my point is I I don't know what

training they give the police there in

Monterey and the California Highway

Patrol who participated. But I suspect

it's something along the lines of if it

has a windshield banner or yellow

headlights or rims or

>> Yeah,

>> that's the one. You stay away from the

Countaches the

>> or the E39 or the stock car.

>> They can issue parking tickets to but

everything else. Yeah.

>> The Carmel by the Sea Police pulled over

a fair number of heavily modified cars

for sound cuz they would be driving up

and down the main street revving

obnoxiously loudly and that feels

appropriate too.

>> I I I don't I I like the event and and I

the police presence was significant. I

was worried about the whole thing cuz

we've been driving around a lot and we

stick out in these cars, but the police

clearly focused on that. There was no

front plate. I mean, maybe they did use

that as a proxy to pull over some of

those people, but there was no front

plate stuff. There was no

>> people some of the M3s with the lowered

and the and the scraping and the carbon

fiber accessories.

>> Cover yourself. Uh, yeah, they they

>> That's what I mean.

>> Yeah, that they used, in my view, the

front plate pullover thing, that's

precisely what it's used for. It's the

proxy,

>> but they didn't but there was none of

that stuff going on. Like they it was

clear they were they were taught to like

target a certain if

>> to me like they were relatively

deliberate to only go after at least

what I saw like infractions that were

very clear at that moment and concerning

sound was the big one in Carmel truly

that I saw uh much more so than

>> or just doing dumb stuff like there were

people even with all the cops like there

were so many cops even with all the cops

there were people doing burnouts and

donuts in intersections. I'm like

astonished that people are trying and

then and then they go on social media

and complain about the police presence.

So anyway, I think the police did a good

job.

>> I will say I saw a lot of cars driving

around with no plates at all or just

European plates. And

>> that's what I mean. Like the police are

like they're not going to pull over a

T50 on British plates. That's not this.

That's not what they're trying to do.

>> No, they're trying to keep it safe.

>> They're trying to keep it safe and keep

the residents happy with the noise

stuff. But it's a balance because the

local businesses someone I got an I had

an article written about me in the in

article written about car spotting in

which I was quoted in the newspaper in

Monterey and I bumped into the reporter

when I was there and um he told me that

the businesses in Monterey make 10% of

their annual revenue during week

>> alone. So, so it's a it's kind of a fine

line like the cops obviously have to

restore the order that the people

especially in Carmel feel that way but

the businesses are there like you can't

chase all these people away because this

is really important to our

>> So keep it relatively quiet, keep it

relatively safe and then

>> yeah call that over.

>> It's kind of actually probably a

difficult fine line for them to walk.

>> Yeah,

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pictures. We have some pictures. This is

me staying next to Signal Yellow. Fippo,

do you want to tell us the story?

>> I I

Doug one time years years ago saw a

Signal Yellow.

>> This has nothing to do with it. Signal

yellow is the next Carrera GT off the

assembly line after my Carrera GT.

>> Is that the one?

>> So my Carrera GT, that one. Yeah.

>> And then the very next car was Sigma

Yellow,

>> which was built for Mike Valentine, the

radar detector guy. And I've never

personally seen the car, but there I am

standing next to

>> the next one. If you imagine you're in

Leipig, it's 2005. You're on the

production line. There's Signal Yellow

coming down the line and there's my car

right in front of it. Yep. The way they

go. Is that real talked? Make sure you

mark it off. You know, I don't think

they're too concerned. Oh, this one is a

garish color. I like signal better.

>> What What's the guy?

>> The normal yellow is called fans yellow.

>> Yeah, fans.

>> And signal yellow is one of one. They

only made one signal yellow car. Uh, and

Mike Valentine ordered it new from his

Porsche dealer in Northeast Ohio. Kennon

and him were personal friends.

>> Is that Porsche North Thumbstead or

Beachwood? Probably. Hey, I don't think

Beachwood existed back then. But um

>> they've been around for a long They've

been around since 993, so I would

imagine.

>> But his plaque number is 911 and my

plaque number is 543. And I'm gonna tell

you Porsche people something about your

little plaque numbers.

>> Rich people can deviate them. Okay, so

this was not the 911th car. It was the

544th car. But rich people can choose

their own plaque numbers. And uh I did

that job once. Uh anyway, so there you

Go. Who did you what number did you

choose for what car for who?

>> Oh, Brit people would all the time

request

to sell them. We gave plaque number.

Anybody wanted any plaque number was

like done. We didn't duplicate them. I

assume

>> for the right money maybe they would

have.

But the plaque numbers are not actually

in order on any of the cars. Um, okay.

Move on to the next picture. There's me

and my personal hero.

>> Yeah, Harry.

>> I met Harry Metaf, the greatest

automotive YouTuber.

>> Wow.

>> Yep. I've never seen a Harry Maf video.

>> What? Are you serious?

>> 100%.

>> No, you're watch less YouTube content

than you might expect.

>> I don't watch YouTube, but I watch

Harry.

>> He also has a farm channel. You can

learn about farming, but he he goes to

Europe and he drives around. I mean, he

like

>> I go to Europe and I drive around. Okay.

>> Yeah. You don't do it in a count or a

Tessterosa. He does. He brought an

outboard motor back from his boat on T

in a count or in a Testostera in winter

time. I get

>> from Harry a month ago, right?

>> And he he sends me a message on Instant.

He says, "Hey, Doug, are you gonna be at

Monterey?" Like, I'm gonna be there.

>> I'm like, "Oh my god." I'm not I'm not

even making a joke here. Like, I

literally think that Harry is like the

most legit dude because he makes a

YouTube channel. He doesn't really need

to, I don't think, financially. He just

kind of does it

>> just for the fun of it. And it actually

ends up being a great YouTube channel

because he has so much knowledge of the

industry from his many years Evo

magazine and working for car makers and

working in the industry in general. I'm

so excited. He sends me this message.

Hey, I'm going to be here. Will you be

here? I'm like, oh my god, of course.

But you know, and I happened to bump

into it before it before quail started.

So, it was just kind of me and him for a

second. Then Ed Bullion walked up, but

Ed's got a picture of the three of us.

But then the real highlight with Harry

is we're standing in downtown Monterey

and and Carmel. They they arrest people

for like looking at looking at people

wrong. In Monterey, you could do

burnouts all day long. Like this is a

picture of my car, but go back to Harry.

We want to look at Harry.

>> We could do burnouts all day long in

Monterey.

>> And it was like accepted and and and

condoned. And who do we see? And it's

it's like 22-year-old kids yelling,

"Revit, Revit!" as people are driving

by. And who do we see walking down the

street?

>> Here and his wife. and they just I I

admittedly I didn't get to meet him. I

was too I was was it was the wrong time

because I didn't want to be associated

with all the revpping going on. But I he

was there. We w and I assumed he and his

wife were just walking through. But no,

they stood there for probably 20 minutes

and they watched all the Camaros and

stuff reving it

>> cuz it just doesn't I can't imagine that

happens in the UK that you get to

experience something that insane. It was

very American.

>> So Harry is a personal hero of mine and

I got to meet him.

>> That's so nice.

>> Yeah. Okay. Hey, give us our next

picture here.

>> Is it count?

>> What do you think?

>> Evo.

>> Can I tell you something about this

picture? This was in a parking lot.

>> Yeah. Yeah. At the quail. Yeah. This

isn't some picture I took. Okay. This

was in a parking lot.

>> Who took the picture?

>> You're missing the point, Filipo.

>> Yeah. Okay. Quail parking lot. First of

all, it doesn't count.

>> You could walk into a parking lot.

>> It's a quail, which is actually a golf

course.

>> And see a Pajarro Evo and a and a

>> I know. What a photo. No wing count.

>> What a photo. Love this photo. And then

a fourth J in the background.

>> Yeah, nice fortune.

>> There you go.

>> What a what a what a photo.

>> The parking lots in general in and

around the events are amazing

themselves, but the parking lots are

just as crazy most of the time. You see

wild stuff.

>> I I was walking around Carmel the first

evening I was there and just parked in

like a alley next to a restaurant. Like

you walk around the corner, there's a

tree. Then you walk past it and and

there's a a

>> a utopia just parked there. Well, you

have you have a video that's on the car

business channel right now that talks

about like how to do it for free and

that is one of the best things just

watch everywhere. The best thing about

the week is free and and go to the next

picture because this is the other thing

I wanted to talk about. I brought up to

>> uh Monterey Car Week my Lamborghini. My

old Lamborghini. It's behind us now.

>> And uh

>> my old Lamborghini

>> and that's what I tell people there. And

um and I brought it up there and I

didn't know what to expect. I hadn't

driven it in three months.

>> That's true. Wow. And so it had it's

been sitting in this garage for three

months and I had no idea what to expect,

but it was being shown at the Quail

Motorsports gathering of course and

so and so I brought it up there and um

it was amazing to drive it around but

and I'm going to post I had a post

coming. I'm waiting on some photos but I

don't know. I want to talk about how

special I it was so wonderful. I the

last time I was in Monterey for Car week

was many years ago, almost a decade ago.

And at that time, I was one of the Car

Spotter kids

and with a digital camera, like a

physical digital camera. And like

walking around, driving around with this

car and seeing the response of all the

car spotter kids to this was so cool. It

was it was truly one of the high

certainly aside from hanging out with

you guys all week, it was the highlight

of my week driving this car and like

being one of the people that the car

like I would have flipped if I was a car

spotter kid back then and seeing a count

drive around and so I was made sure to

park it like very conspicuously in

Carmel and Monterey so that like you

could see it on the street, you know,

and um

>> it was a really cool experience being

able to drive with this car and all the

other crazy cars around with it

>> and which I Yeah, I I can understand

like being in the car and seeing or

being behind it and seeing people's

reaction to it, especially when this and

our friend Crazy Nick was driving his

Mercy around was outstanding. And I have

to say the Countach did really well.

>> 200 miles didn't have a single issue.

Um, it continues to be a reliable car.

>> Did it start up every time?

>> Pretty good. the it after sitting in

bumperto-bumper traffic for an enormous

amount of time. Uh there were a couple

issues where the the starter wouldn't

crank because we think the starter motor

got too hot, but I let it sit for five

more minutes and it started right up.

Like I didn't I didn't get stranded. I

didn't have any issues. We just let it

it cool down a little bit. Um

>> at the end of the day, it is a 42y old

>> that only happened twice. And you know,

I bet you that's like ongoing. I bet

that's always been an issue. I just

don't know because I don't drive it like

that. Like we sat, as much as I did

enjoy driving around, there were three

times or four times where I sat in heavy

bumperto-bumper traffic in it

>> and that is not as fun.

>> No, don't say.

>> Although you could be in front of an

F50.

>> Yeah, there were times.

>> Yes. Well, speaking of which, yes, there

F50 was the theme. There were quail was

honoring the F50. It turned 30 just like

me this year and so there were a lot of

them. I think 17 in total something.

>> I saw 19 F50s.

>> Wow. Okay.

>> Took the VIN. Count the auction cars.

That's what it is.

>> Count the auction.

>> Okay. Yes. But just seeing them around

like here I am behind a straight piped

one which is probably other than hang

out with you guys my favorite experience

of car. I was behind the straight pipe

one leaving the quail and we finally

turned out on the main road and he just

laid into it. And to hear that sound

like be behind it for three gear changes

at full throttle was crazy. Yeah.

>> Um that was But that's the thing. You

just never know like what special stuff

Oh, there's a picture of your You never

know what special stuff you're going to

run into. And that was like

>> the best part about this week and I

still feel this way after having gone

now. It's been 10 years since I went and

now I went back is the random stuff you

see cruising around. Yeah,

>> it is so cool. And I truly believe I

know you posted this video about what to

do if you don't want to spend money up

there, but the very best thing to do

>> if you're a car spotter kid and you just

want to see cars, get a chair and post

up on Route One every Wednesday,

Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

Everybody eventually does a drive down

the coast and I did it. I did two of

them

>> and I saw a dark blue Enzo

>> cruising. We saw Chiron F50RA other

Chiron

>> MC12 multiple MC12s just cruising down

Highway One. If you just post up on

Highway One, you got to go early because

the real people, especially want to get

the photos, go out really early. You

will see every single cool car. Just sit

with a folding chair on Highway One. the

the best day of the week to do it is for

the tour deleg where the cars that are

going to be in the actual show which

yeah which is on Thursday they to get

they get extra points for going and

actually driving the car on this event

and so to do that and then to see the

modern stuff and is just spectacular.

There's nothing else like it.

>> Um but

>> even on Saturday afternoon I sat out on

Highway 1 eating a I was like eating

lunch and I just figured I would go out

there and even that Saturday afternoon

there were cars insane cars driving by.

>> It it was just insane. I mean, there was

no end to the crazy stuff. At one point,

we're sitting there in a Gumper Apollo

and a CLK DTM drive by. I don't think I

saw those cars the rest of the week, but

they were they were there in some

capacity.

>> What a combination. Gumper Paul I'd

never seen before in my whole life, so

that was special for me.

>> I got a picture of you taking a picture

of a Gump Apollo with my Countach in the

background. It's really hard.

>> It's like a fever dream.

>> It is. It's the only way to descriever

dream. And by the end of it,

>> um, you're hoping that fever breaks to

be honest with you. You're just like,

it's like constantly eating really rich

food. You're just like, I just I just

want something simple. Just give me

chicken and rice.

>> Yeah, it was it was a lot. It's

especially a lot for me. A lot of people

come up to me. It it it it was a lot. Uh

um but we had a good time.

>> Y last thing I want to say about

Monterey Car. Just a personal note for

myself.

>> The Mighty M5 broke 250,000 miles on the

drive up to Monterey. Quarter of a

million miles. I know I get made fun of

a lot, but all like for how much I've

spent on it, but they're just very few

almost 25 year old cars you can turn the

key that have 250,000 miles. I drove up

back, not one issue, not one dash

warning light, nothing. Flawless. Car is

absolutely flawless.

>> 250,000 miles.

>> And you did it must have been about

1,00200 miles.

>> Yeah, I I think I crossed 20 or 2,51,000

miles like mo like moments after

returning. So, it was a lot. Wow. It was

a lot of miles. But

>> how many miles did you do total? Uh, it

was like 1,700 I think or something like

that.

>> You know, Nick's car threw a CEL for

being overheated.

>> Well, and Countach handled it.

>> Something to think about.

>> The may not have it.

>> Beautiful. The servicing of George

Evans. You know,

>> it was cool to see all the other

Countaches. I pulled up Wednesday

afternoon having not seen a sports car

in three months.

>> Oh, you really did dive into the deep

end, huh?

>> Yeah. And I pulled up and I parked in

Carmemell and another Countach was right

next to me and I'm like, damn. Okay,

here's what we're doing.

>> Welcome to car week.

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>> Uh, okay. We got to move on. Filippo

drove a Rivian R1S.

>> Yes, I drove an Rivian R1S quad motor up

to the quail. Uh, I took the car week in

general and then drove it back home. I

did 1400 miles in it, which is given the

car had 500 miles when I got it, felt

like a lot. Um, it's exceptional. You're

going to get it as as a press card in a

couple months once they release rad

tuner which makes it very customizable

and the like tank turn thing to do a

full review. But it's such a good

vehicle. Neither of you rode with me.

>> No.

>> But 1,25 horsepower and,200 lbft of

torque is a lot.

>> You heard this website called Cars and

Bids.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, you could consider

>> I I could buy one getting one. I will

say a couple legitimately the interior

might be my favorite new like regular

car interior. Uh mine the one that I had

and all their R1S press quad motor press

cars are like a beautiful like blue like

a light brown natural wood and it is

stunningly pretty. The interior is

gorgeous. The car is I'm going to give

the one minute summary of my review

here. Uh a little truck more trucklike

than you expect. The ride is not Range

Rover quality. Yep.

>> But it is pretty good.

>> Nor is the interior. No, but the

interior stylistically matches more my

style more. And so I'm okay with

materials being a little bit worse.

>> And I don't think they're bad to be

clear. Just a little bit. Not quite.

>> Surprising to hear someone. It's the

nicest interior. Like this. This is the

nicest interior. Like it's nice

>> with the natural wood and the light blue

leather. It's truly gorgeous. Nicely

finished all around. Performance insane.

You can scare every single passenger.

>> I waited till they weren't expecting it

till they were like looking at their

phones. But it's it's a pleasurable

experience. And it's otherwise like

normal car.

>> Uh two two and a half seconds 0 60 time

is probably 4 seconds faster than that

M5 at this point.

>> Yep.

>> Uh driver assistance

>> good, but they only allow adaptive. You

would hate this. Adaptive crew is great.

And it's there's eye tracking or just

steering wheel touch. Uh but only on

mapped highways. And when you're not on

a mapped highway,

>> what's wrong with that? They got the

five mapped.

>> There's a lot of room.

>> If they got the five, the 405, and the

73 mapped, I'm all good. They they do,

but there's a lot of roads uh on the way

to Carmel that are highways but not

mapped. And so it's just adapted cruise

without lane keep or without lane

centering.

>> And that just feels a little silly. Like

every Corolla at this point, every new

>> Yeah. If they're doing eye tracking uh

or touch, they shouldn't they shouldn't

need it only on mapped roads.

>> The reason that Cadillac curated by

Cadillac uh makes it on mapped roads

only is that the car drives itself on

those roads.

>> Right. So, I was a little surprised by

that. $122,000 MSRP feels lofty, but

also kind of understandable for a car

that does fundamentally everything. Do

insane off-roading. It can do 2 and a

half seconds 0 to 60. Totally carrier

family.

>> Totally.

>> Uh,

>> what's a full size cost?

>> A full size R was notably more than

that.

>> 160.

>> Yeah.

>> Damn.

>> And also, by the I did look this up. I

was comparing it for myself to a V8

Defender cuz a Defender is only a couple

inches shorter than an R1S with the

spare tire included. Uh it gets about

the like it has half the horsepower for

about the same cost.

>> So you're in like the same ball there.

>> Now I understand it's not a new one.

>> There's a reason they're so popular. All

my neighbors have them.

>> They're great. They're

>> Yeah.

>> You consider getting a used one for

later? I mean, because I understand

you're not gonna pay $120,000 for a new

car, but like

>> it it made it

>> I mean, desirable.

>> I mean, come on.

>> 100%. It made it much more desirable. I

don't spend money on cars, but it made

it much more desirable, for sure. Um

2026 is what you want, though, because

it now has the NACS port for uh the

Tesla Supercharger. That's all I use the

entire trip. It was fantastic. So, 2026

is when that's standard instead of an

adapter. But, it did make me reconsider

my stance on EVs generally. I didn't

think that an EV would fit my life. We

take a lot of road trips. We travel a

lot. This was relatively painless. You

stop for longer. Like instead of

stopping to just get gas and like maybe

use the restroom, you stop and like you

like get coffee. But after 20 minutes,

you've had enough range to get you to a

good distance.

>> Yeah. But so all in all, better electric

experience than I expected and I like

the R1S a lot more than I thought it

would.

>> I think it's one of the great all round

vehicles ever to exist.

>> Yeah.

>> Take that.

>> Yep. I legitimately agree with that

thing. I'm going to post a post on Cars

of Mid's community that's a much more

intensive review. Uh I wrote it last

night and it's 1200 words accidentally

so that down a little bit.

>> How beautiful into a journalist.

>> You know, I'm just trying to copy Doug.

>> How beautiful.

>> Damn.

>> Um

>> uses many a hyphen the M dashes.

>> I'm glad that you enjoyed the R1S

experience. I think it's really cool. Um

and I think that I'm very excited to

check out the new one myself and I just

I really do think it's like one of the

best allaround vehic.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> truly. Okay, we got to talk market

report. Market report. Market report.

Market report. Now, the market report is

brought to you by

>> green.

>> Cars and beds. Cars and bids.

>> That's right.

>> You want cars, you want bids, you go to

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>> Whoa.

>> Uh, okay. The first thing I want to talk

about with the market report is uh the

E61. You want to pull it up?

>> Mhm.

>> We didn't talk about this before.

>> No, cuz it was it was in the last week.

>> Yeah. This crazy Yeah.

>> All right. So, somebody built an E61 M5

Touring build. They took an E61 5

series, the 5 series, the E60 wagon

series 5 series, and they made it a full

E615 built. Ken and I saw it in person.

>> Yes. Not only that, when I when you say

a full build, you're not kidding. It's

also a manual transmission one. They did

the

>> Oh, yeah. Sorry. I

>> Which is important. But, uh, but in

addition to having the M5 powertrain, it

had everything. And I mean everything.

The guy gave this car every option

except for two. He couldn't get like

adaptive cruise to work and he couldn't

get the I think it was the adjusting

seats to work, but everything else like

it works on this car. And he he was so

detailed. He even got the styrofoam that

like holds in the Mobility kit, which is

like if you get a flat tire, he which

took him 3 months to track that down cuz

it's no longer available from BMW. But

it was a really nice build. He showed me

pictures of him laying out the wiring

harnesses to build everything. I mean,

the guy went the full distance and this

car got all the money. It's $79,999

>> 80gs

for a 535i ex drive according to your

local DMV.

>> Right. Exa exactly. Now the thing the

thing is of course the 61 M5 will

eventually become legal to import to the

US but not for a really long time.

There's you still have to wait pretty

good amount of time. So if you wanted to

skip the line and have

>> regardless there was never a manual.

>> You have to do the manual you have to

send a D39. So it's do the manual

conversion anyway. But

>> it is an amazing build. I've always

wondered if this could be done. Um,

>> not easy.

>> I assumed it really couldn't be done

because the E61 M5 was so different from

a body perspective than a regular 5

series. I mean, there's a lot of body

work that has to go into these cars in

order to change them. It's obviously the

wheels, but the fender was different and

the front like there's so I don't know

how many panels are shared, but I bet

it's not all that many.

>> Well, you see Yeah. He said getting this

one is the hardest. Getting the rear

bumper now is like basically impossible

>> for a wagon. Yeah, really hard to get

that.

>> I mean, unbelievable build and it pulls

80 grand. As we've said so many times, a

really good build brings all the money.

Not just an engine swap, but if you do

like a really good build

>> and especially like enthusiast bell

ringing, the wagon, the manual, I've

talked many times about getting an E61

M5, which I won't do.

>> Uh, why not?

>> Because I've scared him away, right?

>> He's scared me away. He scared me away.

>> Wow.

>> It's a hard car. It's a really difficult

car to live with

>> compared to the cars that he has that

require a lot of effort already.

You determine not

>> I'm not going to put you Sequoia. I got

to take that into the dealer.

>> The worst.

>> I got to take that into the dealer for

service now.

>> Imagine if you took this into the

dealer.

>> I'm busy.

>> It's far.

>> Do they do anything for that?

>> Yeah, they do. They have solutions.

>> But do they like will they come and grab

that for me or

>> you would have to ask Toyota? But

probably.

>> You think so?

>> Genesis used to. They gave you an iPad

and then you went on the iPad and

>> the brands are different. This is the

problem with getting a Toyota,

>> right?

>> Uh, okay.

>> This is incredible. And

>> 80 grand's all the money.

>> The enthusiast bend. Let's talk about

the E63 because I think that this also

proves another point which is that even

though there are not there's not a large

market for these cars, the an E61 M5

Touring or in this case a Golf Blue E63

wagon, there is a market that's big

enough that they can get real money. So

this car we sold for $135,000.

This is a factory Golf Blue AMG E6. The

owner of this car, who I'm in contact

with on Instagram, he replaced it with a

>> Stinger.

>> Okay. What do you think? Okay.

>> What do you think? What does someone who

has one of these replace it with?

>> I feel like if you like wagons, you end

up replacing it with an RS6 Avant

>> Strato.

You're genuinely

>> Yeah, he replaced.

>> Well, that's cool. But he sold this.

>> Did the kids graduate or something?

>> I you know, he barely drove this. I

mean, it only has like 6,600 miles on it

or something, which I think was

>> it's a tough call, right, with a car

like this because it's probably a one of

one color or maybe one of two or three,

you can't really use it.

>> Like you you you got to kind of be

careful because this is the specialness

is in its like preservation. So, if you

want to have one, you just buy a white

one and just use the hell out of it.

>> What's stunning to me is we sold the

same car in 2021.

>> What did we sell it for?

>> We sold this for $125,000. Wow.

>> With 3,000 mi at the time.

>> At that point, it was newer. There

wasn't yet the run up in E63 values or

maybe there had just been a facelift

with 21 the facelift year. I was like

clearly I think I thought at the time

this is the moment to sell. This is the

closest you're ever going to get to MSRP

on this. There's still demand.

>> What was MSRP?

>> 150 I think.

>> Wow.

>> Uh yeah 158. Um

>> car is so cool.

>> But now it's it's just appreciating. the

auto continue to

>> the automakers are right that there's

not a huge interest in wagons that cost

this much money that are you know

>> they're wrong

>> but there's a very small sliver of

people who really are willing to pay

like the 25th anniversary RS6's those

blue ones those those tons of money new

they still do so do the new GTs the

orange and black so does this car so

does that M5 wagon we were just talking

about like there is a sliver of people

who just want the coolest wagon and this

is that and I bet you this sits in the

garage for the rest of its life next to

other supercars. Whoever owns it next or

next or next, like this is the car you

have if you have a quite a fleet and you

want to kind of a really really cool

daily.

>> And I do think automakers are realizing

that. I mean, they don't they see the

E63 wagon selling equal to the sedan,

right?

>> Well, the wagon out sells the sedan.

This is I guess my point is less about

the wagon in general and more about like

this special color and like people

willing to pay just like elevated money

like for that E615. There are people out

there who will do it.

>> The same people that are buying those

are the people that are willing to spend

real money on paint a sample for a

specific color 911 or maybe if Cadillac

is very very very lucky curated by

Cadillac.

>> Very limited available.

>> Pull up the uh pull up the Gallardo

please. You see this Gallardo sale?

>> Of course.

>> Yeah. This what a bargain.

>> Gallardos.

>> I feel like I feel like

>> it's sold for what 95.

>> Yeah.

>> I feel like it's a such a great value

for what it is.

>> Gallardos are such bargains.

>> Yeah. Such a bargain. 18,000 m and an08.

the the the first generation Gardos, the

later cars got some improvements over

the early ones. The early ones known for

being a little fragile. Not the case so

much with the '08s, but this

>> still had two or 5.

>> This is a 50. So, it still had the even

or even firing order. So, it's got that

sound that is just like incredible. And

>> I put I'd put the Cassopas on it even

though these may have been OE wheel.

>> These are OE wheels. I believe Cassopas

are my preference as well. But I still

think for the money you get such an

exotic car, a tremendous driving

experience. 95 and they and then you

sell it 5 years later for 95. They don't

seem like they they're coming down

anymore.

>> No. Nor do they seem that unreliable.

>> The just especially the early Gallardo

just looks to me so exotic. I know.

>> It's not necessarily beautiful, but it's

so exotic. It has this like real exotic

car presence to it that for some reason

a Huracan doesn't quite have as much.

It's starting to look I hate to say it,

it's dating, but it's starting to look

like a vintage Lambo. Like it's starting

to look like an old school.

>> Really? Please point to the ways in

which it looks like an old school van.

>> It's getting some of the old look to it.

Like the newer cars have they clearly

are newer. This one is getting left

behind in terms of its design, but

that's kind of a cool thing. Like it is

starting to look like an old

Lamborghini. This car only came out 2

years after the Diablo went out of

production.

>> I'm stunned at how much I like these

cars. We had that silver one in the

office for a little while that you did a

video with and I went and drove that.

>> A nice early Gallardo

>> is a really special car. I will say the

number of nice early Gyardos left is

about four.

>> This looks like one of them.

>> Yeah, limited, very limited

availability.

>> But they got cheap. They were

automatics. They fell into the wrong

hands. It's honestly not unlike

Countach. They fell into the wrong

hands. And people have done heinous

stuff to early Gallardos and they got

mild. They got hit. They got all this

other stuff heavily modified.

>> Yeah, that's true. But again, this is

not an outlier. these val

>> 785 for that one.

>> Yeah,

>> with with the chrome Casio. Look at that

one.

>> Yeah, this was like one of the nice It's

so well presented.

>> I would only want yellow with Casio. But

this is a cool looking car. You don't

think Click on that again. You don't

think that looks like an old Lambo Fippo

when you look at this like this is not a

modern car anymore. It's like clearly

starting to age. It's blockier. It's

boxier.

>> 21 years ago.

>> Can I get clear? Do you mean it looks

similar to older

>> Lambo? It looks like

>> itself is starting to age into a point

where pretty soon we're going to be

talking about this as a as an as like a

an old school Lambo. People already say

that about Mercy's and it's the same era

was what 04 to 12.

>> Yeah.

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah. Something to think about. But I I

really love those cars. I'd love to have

one at some stage. I just think that in

like yellow is a bit much for me

admittedly, but silver is something.

>> I like the preLP cars. got in the God

the Supera is so cool.

>> Yo, man, even the nicest one. It was two

years ago, but

>> well, they're a tremendous bargain,

especially compared to Scooter.

>> Got a super lambos in general, dude.

Let's all buy Lambos.

>> I'm kidding.

>> There's the quote of the day. You don't

buy Lamos.

>> I've literally never coveted a Lambo.

>> Really? Not even a Yurco?

>> No.

>> Wow.

>> This carp. What annoys me about you?

>> Elmo, too. Maybe.

>> This car is the best your country has

ever done.

>> Wow. We'll call a war Ferrari, but like

your country,

>> have you heard of the Fiat Panda 4x4?

>> Italy is known for its prowess in

creating these emotional, special,

eye-catching, headturning, loud

>> aspar.

>> That's Japan.

>> No, it's made in Italy.

>> You're missing the point. You don't have

any country pride. You don't think about

Fuio. You don't think about uh Modina.

>> No,

>> you don't think about Enzo.

>> Well, you got to think about Enzo.

Thank God.

>> That's true. You do.

>> You don't sit back at any point and say

to yourself, "I I am love Italy. I wave

the flag. Ilcommendator."

>> You must understand me so fundamentally

as a human.

>> No, I've never been super into

Gallardos.

>> Gallardos. But you've never been super

into any Lambo at any point. Not even a

Spatada. It's a hatchback.

>> SPAT's cool, but I'm not super into any

of them.

>> Jeez.

>> A spat cool. You don't have any pride

for what your country has given the

world. When you ask people about Italian

products.

>> Yeah. You got to seen the Ferrari in the

beginning.

>> They think about food and they think

about cars, right? Like that's that's

it, right? Or maybe art from decades

ago, like the 1400.

>> Who doesn't, man?

>> Oh god, Philippo's got nothing.

>> It's a lost car.

>> Fippo, interestingly, is interested in

the GT4. Pull up the GT4, then we'll go

on to the questions. I do want to talk

about GT4. I German than Italian. Most

Germans I met hated Italian. Swiss in

the end at the end. At least it's that

cross section.

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GT4. I don't understand the GT4 market.

Here's a car with 30,000 mi.

>> Uhhuh.

>> 30,000 mi, right? Has some

modifications. Easily removable

modifications, but some modifications.

Yeah. Has a 30,000 mi. Sold for 108,500.

MSRP was less than that,

>> dude. It's a PTS car. You didn't tell us

this either. It's a PTS carbon buckets.

>> It's a 9-year-old GT4. Are they all

still over MSRP after 30,000?

>> They are not all, but this is a paint

the sample car with carbon buckets.

>> Great. That's where it is kind of for

the MSRP. MSRP is high. It just just

shows you don't understand black. It's

literally paint the sample gray black.

Well, that I agree with you. That is

insane to me that Porsche people are

willing to pay big money for for a paint

to sample in the same color that you

could just order.

>> I just don't get why why would you spend

an extra 10 13 grand compared to a car

that

>> it has carbon buckets and it's paint to

sample in the Let me explain you

something about the Porsche world. Okay,

I I'm just going to tell you this and I

want you to understand. Yeah,

>> cuz I don't I'm not a Porsche person

myself, but I spent a lot of time

people.

>> Yeah, but I own the one that it proves

like that car has no options. None of

them did. Like those cars were built for

people who wanted to drive and wanted an

emotional experience. These cars are

built for people who want to talk about

what options they have, right? And I

want to be really clear about this.

>> The this is this is how Porsche people

operate.

>> I'm going to give you the fundamental

secret of Porsche people. The cars

>> are all pretty much the same.

>> Yeah.

>> And so the only real way they're great,

>> but they're all pretty much the same.

And so the only way to distinguish

between the cars is talking about stuff

like carbon bucket seats and colors and

things like that and and special

stitching and special this and special

that. And so like whereas in the Ferrari

world like the difference between an F50

and a 48 and a 430, these are massive

differences, the 911 world, the the the

mid-enine world,

the differences are made up in these

little tiny things that kind of only the

people know about when they go to the

events. And there really only two ways

then to differentiate your cars. Either

to order these options from the factory

or to modify it. Now most Porsche people

are intelligent, want to retain value of

the car. And so they don't modify them.

They tend to order the stuff from the

factory. And so that's why like PTS and

buckets like that's you can there's like

four things you can say about this car

that are like that. Yeah.

>> They sample gray black one

>> PTS

>> 30,000 miles. I just don't it should not

be over MSRP.

>> I totally disagree. I think the market

decides the market. No, I agree with I

>> and also the other the other thing

that's important to keep in mind about

these cars cuz go back to that GT4

landing page that you had up even beyond

like this is a nonp sample car.

>> They retain their value well.

>> They retain their value. They're special

and and I even though I'm not a Porsche

guy, a 981 GT4 is a really damn good

car.

>> Excellent.

>> There are very few cars I have ever

driven in my entire life that drive as

well as a 981 GT4. And so they retain

their value because they're just they

>> deserve to damn good cars and they

didn't make that many of them and

they're going to come out with an

electric one soon.

>> Well, that's also why the valu,000

miles. Sorry, the one that sold for

$95,500 had half the miles had a 101

sticker. So that sold a little bit

below.

>> Scroll down.

>> Let's see. So we got Yeah, let's take a

look. Just the options. You have the

carbon fiber interior,

>> the full mileage.

>> I want I want to look at the listing

myself.

>> 14,00 It's not PTS, dude. What did it

sell for?

>> 95.

>> So 5 grand below MSRP. The other one

sold twice the miles and sold for over

10 back at the other car and the other

car is PTS which is 10 grand.

>> Gray black, dude. But compared to MSRP,

>> you're going to go to Porsche Porsche

events and be like, "This isn't just

black. It's gray black. It's PTS gray

black. I have PTS."

>> You get some license plate that

incorporates PTS in. Totally.

>> PTS GT4,

>> right?

>> All right. Somebody out there with that

plate's going to be like, "He's making

fun of me." Yes, I am.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, okay. We need to move on to

questions. Now, questions come to us

from our viewers. You can ask us a

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questions.

>> Okay. First question comes from one UI.

It looks like Luis but with a one. Why

do you not have Saturday auctions? He

says Saturday auctions for special cars,

but just a question generally. Why do

you not have Saturday auctions? Filippo

does something with the operations of

the company. Filippo, explain to us why

we don't have Saturday optit.

Uh

in the future, we may have Saturday

auctions. The there are two big reasons.

I have some concerns about weekends,

frankly. Damn. What are your What are

your concerns about weekends? Like I I'm

not I need to do a more thorough review

now that I have more data.

>> Filippo is so serious that he is

concerned about

>> weekend

about

leisure.

>> I to do a little bit more research on

the data trends because early on when

some of our competitors started to do

weekend auctions, there's a general

understanding that those underperformed.

People are a little bit more maybe away

from their phones, away from their

computers on weekends, maybe not as able

to bid. We also there may be a time when

we decide we are hosting enough auctions

that to draw enough attention to each of

them. This is very behind the scenes but

attention to each of them. We will want

to do weekend auctions too and we will

do that once that's necessary and once

we're confident that we can ensure that

like there's enough people in the room

that there's enough demand that that

weekend auctions are additive rather

than detracting from the other auction

experience.

>> So maybe there's also a personnel issue

component to it. you you you know if

you're going to run weekend auctions

like we have to have people who are kind

of hanging out there watching the

auctions

>> and we do already have weekend employees

if you're a seller on cars and beds

you'll get support on the weekend too

more of it and so we just don't I don't

think we're ready for it

>> it's not necessary yet

>> and I I'm not sure yeah yeah it's not

necessary yet okay next question from

Mighty Must can you go back to the

questions tab on the questions questions

yeah click on that from Mighty Must Doug

can you explain this license plate I've

lived in Maryland most of my life and

this is the first time I've ever seen

those license plates. Do you know what

this is? You lived in Maryland.

>> I don't know.

>> You've never seen this before?

>> No.

>> All right. This is a one of the greatest

stories in the history of license

plates.

>> Oh my god. It must be a decent story.

>> 15 years ago, it became a thing for

states to come out with retro versions

of their license plates. And actually,

California, as so many things,

California was one of the real trend

leaders in this with the black plate,

which has been on sale for a long time

and has inspired almost every other

state now to create a black plate of its

own. Um,

and I know there will be pnicity people

who say other states had black plates

first. Not really. California really.

Pennsylvania had the dare plates, but

they long ago went away and they're only

beloved by Anyway, the point is

>> there's been a there's been a history

there's now become this thing of retro

license plates. Okay, so Maryland's very

first license plate in and and and by

the way, another state that has really

leans into its license plate culture is

Delaware. And so in 2009, Delaware came

out with the centennial plate. Okay.

Where they celebrated a 100red years of

the license plate. And you could you can

Google this. You could you could get a

just type in Delaware Centennial Plate.

>> Yeah. Delaware Centennial license plate

right there. And you and so for one year

they offered this. And on the bottom it

literally said Centennial Plate. It was

very stupid obviously.

>> Very literal.

>> Really stupid.

>> You see those around?

>> Okay. So, not to be outdone, Delaware's

nextoor state neighbor, Maryland decides

the following year they're going to come

out with a centennial plate. But the

problem is Maryland is Maryland. And so

what they do is they take their original

license plate, which came out 1910, and

it was yellow. And they just make a

yellow version of their existing license

plate and write 1910 vintage at the

bottom. And then they start it all with

VR. And as you can see by this one, no

one actually got this license plate.

This is number 67. I've never seen a

number higher than 100. It was only

offered for one year. Thank god.

>> I like it.

>> And then it went away.

>> Especially given what the other standard

Maryland plate now looks like.

>> You don't like the regular Maryland list

with the flag on the bottom. It's very

popular in this within Maryland. People

love their flag.

>> The people of Maryland love their flag.

Unfortunately, it's one of the most

hideous flags I've ever seen.

>> Well, regardless story of this, it is a

retro license plate to commemorate the

the original 1910 Maryland license

plate. And it is but it was done

horribly like so many things are in

Maryland. No offense, of course, to our

to our many viewers in the old lines.

>> I will say I lived in Maryland. I lived

in Baltimore for 3 years. And luckily, I

moved there before the new license plate

came out. So, I still had the old one,

>> the War of 1812 one,

>> the War of 1812 one cuz you know the

OG's had the black and white one, which

you moved there in 2016.

>> All right, you can pull that thing

graphic back up. We'll move on to the

next question. Uh, next question from

Brand VNC. How often do you guys get

cars with reserves that just make no

sense and you know they'll never meet?

Are any brand/car owners more guilty of

it than others?

>> Uh people submit cars every single day

with reserves that are ridiculous.

>> Yep.

>> We don't generally run auctions with

those. Like we will try to talk the

person down. We will try to talk the

person out of their ridiculous reserve.

>> Show them comps. We will explain.

>> If we cannot get the person to a

reasonable number, we won't run the I

mean it's not it's not worth our time

because we pay people to write our

listings. So, every time you see a car

listed on the site, it has cost money

for our business. And so, like, we're

not going to run a a C5 with an $80,000

reserve just to have another car on the

site.

>> There are times when we just don't know.

There are some cars where it's like,

that Golf Blue E63 is a good example.

There's no other special color E63 AMG

wagons in existence. Yeah.

>> We were the only people to have auction

one, period. So, like there you might

take a risk. Like, you don't really

know.

>> Yeah. And so, so reserves that make no

sense. I sometimes we'll run a car with

the reserve that's crazy. If it's a

crazy car and we have no idea what it's

going to do, we'd rather run it and try,

but it's only worth it if it's going to

be a really crazy car that like people

are going to get excited about, click

on, etc. that might bring us some some

attention. Otherwise, it doesn't make

sense for us to just run a stupid card.

And the question is, are are there any

brand/owners that are more guilty of it?

For the first two and a half years of

Cars and Bids, I did basically all

reserve setting myself. And I remember

at the time there were, but it's been

now 2 and a half years since then. Crazy

people in every there's crazy people in

every brand.

>> It is who you expect generally. Uh there

are a lot of Corvette people who

>> No, they're reasonable.

>> They're Porsche people who were

>> I don't remember Corvette people being

that bad.

>> I I I remember it just sort of gen that

modded like a modded American cars do

often the people don't really

understand. It's like the first sports

car they had that they modded. They

don't get why the mods don't have the

value. I think that happens.

>> Someone through a proxy asked me what

339M5 was worth. It was red and had a

red interior, but also had a red painted

like plenum and had mods and 180,000

miles. Like, do you think it's worth

They want to know if it was worth like

almost 50 grand. I'm like, uh, no. But

it's like you it's like you might think

that, but it's like if you look at the

comp. I mean, the other thing is like

using classic.com or using our site and

going through, you can kind of see where

stuff falls and get a good idea.

>> I think there's less of an issue with

this than there used to be.

>> I think so. stuff is more defined and

like there's good information out there

to make a so we are armed with good

information. We're not trying to like

rip people off or anything. It's like

here's realistically what your car is

worth.

>> We have an entire team that is dedicated

to looking at market values and advising

and their goal is not let's give you the

lowest reserve number possible. Their

goal is here are a bunch of we are

experts in this. Our literal jobs Yeah.

>> is to look at the all the data. Here's

what we think it's worth. Yeah.

>> And then we can have a conversation.

Right.

>> Yeah.

>> So So yes, it does happen.

doesn't happen, but they usually don't

see the site.

>> Uh, next question from Aiden Weisel.

Question for Canon and Falippo. Doug has

already made a video on the worst cars

he has ever owned. What are the worst

cars you guys have ever bought?

>> I've I I once bought a Kia Spectra for a

dollar. Not a good car.

>> That was worth a dollar at least.

>> It's a good story. You should tell that

story.

>> Edmonds thought it was worth 37, but I

swear it was worth $1 at least. Uh, I I

haven't bought that many bad bad cars. I

I That's I had an ND, excuse me, an NB

Miata that I was a tough one. My Fiat is

a little tougher now.

>> Uh, but I never bought a really really

bad car.

>> You never bought a great

>> uh

>> I'm trying to think. I had a I mean,

I've owned mostly BMWs, but my E46 uh

330XI was very rusty. So much so I got

to work one day and the part of the rear

uh wheel arch had just flaked off. It

was just gone.

>> It is worth pointing out though that

that Kennon and Fippo between them have

not owned that many cars. We're very

cautious unlike some of the other folks

like Nick if he came on here he'd

probably have better better answer. He's

had like 20 cars probably. But like

>> Right. But I commit I buy

>> you guys you've probably like four cars.

Five.

>> Five I think. So

>> probably about the same with you, right?

>> So I' had like seven eight nine 10

somewhere in there.

>> Yeah, like five.

>> Got to count.

>> Not that many. I don't know why he's

saying 7 8 9 10.

>> I got to count. I don't remember.

>> We've got three of them right now, I

guess. But before that,

>> I own three cars right now.

>> Okay, next.

>> Yeah, you got to sell off yet. Next

question from CT Hump71. Question for

Doug. Saw a video on social media where

I spotted you in your Countach and as

you stepped out, you weren't wearing

shoes. Why do you do this?

>> Uh, oh my god, I gotten this question

now so many times that it's difficult

for me to live.

Um, I replied to that video and I

replied like four hours after it was

posted and it was just not enough and

the video had gotten seen zillions of

times. I've now been asked this question

four separate times since that video

went up even though I replied. I also

when we when I first announced the

Countach, I talked about it in that

video. I've talked about it on social

media in a bunch of different places.

Um, but here we are still replying. The

answer is

>> one one last time.

>> No, it's not going to be the last time.

I guarantee a year from now there'll be

a new crop of people who come up and I'd

be some other video of me getting in the

count shoes on. This is your Delorean

thing. This is annoys you. Why you don't

have any shoes on?

>> Oh man, I had a guy walk up to me

yesterday, ask me about it. I was like

borderline rude. I was like, look at the

comments. Uh the um I my my feet are too

big uh to fit in the pedal box. The

pedal box of these cars is tight. It's a

tube frame. Some one of the some of the

tubes must go right under there. Pedal

box is really tight. And um so I can't

wear shoes and drive the car, at least

my shoe size, which is 14. And so um if

I if I try to do that, uh I will press

the accelerator and the brake at the

same time. I'll press the brake and the

clutch at the same time. It can't be

done for me. So I'd wear the car uh bare

feet, which honestly is I drive the car

bare feet, which honestly is fine. Like

I don't find it to be difficult at all.

>> People were like, "Oh my god, he got out

and then he stepped in the dirt."

>> That's like if if you're the owner of of

a driving shoe company. Maybe reach out.

Maybe Doug will accept a sponsorship.

>> I don't think the driving shoes would

really help. I I think that

>> if you could get something really that

perfectly fits my foot, but even with

even without shoes, it's it's kind of

tight in there.

>> I mean, I'm my I wear 10 and a halfs and

even so like I moved the car on and off

the transporter and I took my shoes off

because I can't same thing. I just I

can't It is really tight in there even

for normalsized humans. It's a It is a

really It's just It was designed first

and engineered second. I'll tell you

something. Sitting in bumper to bumper

with no shoes on

>> hard cuz that pedal is digging right

near your foot.

>> Right near your foot. And the clutch is

heavy. And like I would get into

situations where like we're at a

stoplight and like eight cars get

through and I would just sit and like

I'm going to sit nine car lengths back

and just like when the light turns green

then I'll go. But like I cannot continue

to move up three cars at a time. Uh it

got it got hard. Uh but you have to do

it that way. There's no other option.

Mhm.

>> So that's the answer to that. And with

regards to one time someone tagged me in

a post was like you he got in to

preserve the leather with no shoes on.

>> No.

>> I don't I like use the car. We took the

car down at dirt road. I probably did a

mile of dirt road driving in the car. I

don't participate in um pres

preservation. I participated in it. The

Chuck Spielman pres.

>> Uh okay. Next question from Boost Bear

720. Do you think the Jaguar F-Type will

ever become a takeover vehicle like the

G35, G37?

>> Interesting. Because what are some cars

you see coming, takeover vehicles of the

future? No, I don't. I'll tell you why.

To me, the takeover vehicles, there's

two really. It's the Charger Challenger

and it's the G35, G37, and like the Z.

Nissan Z.

>> The last generation M4,

>> Camaros, too.

>> Last generation M4. Is that

>> Dude, when I watch takeover videos,

which is all the time.

>> Seriously, I don't see M4s there.

They're around.

>> You're watch You probably watch high-end

takeovers like I do.

>> I'm like watches the Beverly Hills

takeover.

>> Yeah. I'm like St. Louis, Baltimore,

like legit getting cheap legitimately.

And I think that those are the next

ones.

>> My view is that the reason that the

certain cars get big in takeovers is

because they are cheap speed. And I

think the F-Type doesn't quite have as

much power as it needs. And I think it

will never become cheap enough.

>> I don't know about that. with a rear

wheel drive. I just rear wheel drive V8

ones when they finally do become that

cheap, they're not going to be cheap in

the sense that they're cheap to own.

Whereas a G37, you can buy one for six,

put no money into it, swing it around a

few times, bump into a Grand Marquee and

a couple of people who were filming and

drive off.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's what Harry was hoping to see

in

>> cars are available for to repair

>> if you want a repair. If Yeah.

>> Like you see a G with a bumper off, that

car was in a takeover accident. You know

what I mean?

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> I saw a G35 coupe the other day in front

of me

>> driven by an 80-year-old.

>> Oh, thank you for that tidbit. What's

the next

>> I was I was on the road today and I saw

it was by your house.

>> I saw a uh

>> That's unfortame,

>> right?

>> Congratulations.

>> And I'm in the I'm in the courage. I'm

like, "All right." And it was a firstg

Panamera, you know, the big boy.

>> And I pull up next to it and is the

oldest woman I have ever seen in my life

driving with her handicap placard on the

course. And she's sitting on like all

sorts of stuff to get her like up and

>> uh Okay, last two questions.

>> Should have gotten the carbon buckets

>> from Corvette Guide 10. Yeah, she should

have in PTS.

>> Question for Filippo. With the ZR1X and

now the new CX concepts, what do you

think the future of the Corvette will

look like? Filippo, as a Corvette man, I

believe this question is for you.

>> Uh Corvette has always been fast,

affordable American sports car, but you

now think they will go EV or more

expensive.

So, Chevrolet revealed a CX concept,

which you could interpret to mean C10 or

just C something, right?

>> Um,

I don't expect the next generation or

two generations to be notably distinct

from what they're doing right now.

>> Miden was new for for C8. I expect

they'll continue that. I expect they'll

continue with gas. But Corvette has

always been about what is the best way

for us to compete with European

supercars in a more affordable way. Not

really a cheap way, but a more

affordable way. And I don't know how you

do that 10, 15 years from now without

going electric. I think you ha like if

your goal is how do we compete on

performance, you will have to go hybrid

and or electric and they're already

going hybrid. So yes, I think it'll go

hybrid and I think they'll kind of keep

adapting to whatever.

>> Will it get more expensive?

>> Inflation adjusted Corvette prices are

down.

>> I agree. I don't think it'll get more

expensive now. People now lament how

expensive it is, but if you adjust for

inflation, it costs the same as the C4,

same as the C5.

>> I don't expect that. But it will be I I

wouldn't I'd be shocked if it wasn't at

some point electric or heavily hybrid

with some electric top end ones. I mean

>> yeah I mean you could look at it that

way that maybe the way they go to they

compete with the European manufacturers

offer more of an experience with a

gasoline engine. There there are things

that

>> but they've never been about the

experience. They've always been about

sheer performance.

>> Things are going to change like the

experience of a sports car and what you

want versus the performance of a sports

car. I mean Mate Rimod's kind of proved

that.

>> He's still Yeah. But but nonetheless, I

agree that hybridization is just

>> of course like but I I do it would be

interesting to see how they permutate

things going forward especially for

American consumers that want

>> also how do you follow up on the C8?

>> How do you I mean it's so good and the

cars they're coming out with now are

>> attractive I guess but that's hard make

it attractive.

>> The C8 suffers from the the trunk space

issue

>> but have the required trunk space issue.

It would look better. However, I still

>> I don't think it looks bad to be clear.

think the C8 is the best looking

Corvette aside from this or is the best

Corvette aside from the C2? The best

Corvette. Not best looking.

>> Yeah, I know. For sure.

>> Ken and I are C3 guys in terms of looks.

>> I think the C3 and C7 are the best

looking Corvettes. I'm a C2.

>> I will say here's here's what they're

going to do that.

>> Here's what they're going to do. C5, C6,

and C7 were all kind of derivatives of

each other.

>> That's what they'll do with C8. C8, C9,

and C10 are going to look pretty

similar. I think they've already shown

that they're willing to have production

runs go longer. We're 5 years into it

and just had the midcycle refresh. The

C7 went from 2014 to 2019. So that

entire run was 5 years. We've had five

C8. I think short run but yeah

>> I think they'll stretch it out.

>> Yeah.

>> And then C9 I think will be equivalent

to C8. I mean better but like same

structure. C10. Who knows?

>> Okay. Last question from Bman. Good. Hey

Doug, what is your favorite generation

of WRX and what is your favorite rally

inspired street car? I don't know about

favorite rally street car Evo. Delta

Delta integral Evo followed by the

regular EVO. However,

>> not the R5 Turbo.

>> No. Uh, Delta Integral or Evo Evo 6. One

of the two.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. No, not the R5 Turbo.

>> Really?

>> However,

>> what is your favorite generation WRX?

>> Now, there's a question.

>> There's We're going to get the hottest

take of the day. I don't

>> You want to rank the WRX's?

>> No, no, no. Just

>> Yeah, let's rank them. Just go for

favorite. Let's rank them. Go for

favorite. We all agree the worst WRX.

Let me pull up the list.

>> Yeah, we need a list of WRXs.

>> The worst WRX

was the

third gen.

>> So, the Oh, wait.

>> No,

>> no,

>> there's a lot of good WX. Let me think

about this.

>> There's There's five. There's five.

Okay, there's five WRXs. Okay, but that

that has the second best hatch. Yes, the

hatch. So, that's the hard part about

the third gen,

>> right?

>> The best hatch was the third gen. The

the second gen was kind of a wagon and

that has

>> But they didn't do We didn't say

Oh, it's part of

>> We did not say SCI.

>> The third gen hatch looks so good. It's

>> The third gen hatch is a great looking.

>> I think the third gen hatch is ugly, but

it was it was a fantastically good car

and it was very special. Ani or WRX?

What are we ranking here?

>> Both because it's part of it.

>> No, the current gen doesn't have an STI.

What do you do?

>> Well, it's it's just it's just part of

it. It's just you say WX, you think

about the SPI, you think about the type

already, you think about the 22B. It's

all part of it.

>> 2022. You don't

>> say the new one is your favorite.

>> Yeah, that's that's what I was ready

for, but now that he's saying W STI are

required.

>> Third gen is the worst.

>> Third gen is the worst. And I say that

with heavy heart because I love the

third gen STI hatch. The third gen ST

here's here's here's a here's a hot take

for you. The third gen STI hatch might

be my favorite WRX, but the generation

of overall WX is bad. A a regular

non-STI third gener sedan is a tough

car. What about first gen? I'm not a

huge first gen guy.

>> The 92 to02.

>> Yeah.

>> Are you kidding?

>> Seinal. It changed the world. That car

changed the world.

>> That might be my number one. Oh,

>> to this day when I see a clean pull up a

clean early second to this day when I

see a clean early WRX on cars and bits

>> second. You can use the year filter

>> when I see a clean early. So like up to

up to like Yeah.

>> No, no, you can start making. It's okay.

But

>> yeah, it's going to give me all the Evo

sixes and everything before.

>> That's fine. 2000. Yeah, there you go.

>> Oh, yeah. Sure. If you want the really

nicest version,

>> this was bid to 20, dude. This is a 20

car. I thought about buying this car.

>> That That's what the market feels about

the first gen WRX.

>> It is such But it's seinal. It's a It's

a such a special car.

>> The second gen is a little bit more

seminal.

>> The second gen was it was very special

for the US market.

>> For the US market, which where I'm

sorry, where do we live?

>> I know, but now these are here. Look at

this one. Oh, seven grand. The market

think they're interesting or notable or

cool.

>> I agree that they're cool.

>> I grew up with this car. I mean, we

didn't have one, but when I grew up in

Denver,

>> they had a Colorado.

>> This was the coolest car you could

imagine. Yeah. This dude's in Colorado

and he blacked out. He blacked out one

of the letters.

>> Sometimes.

>> Okay. Go back to the thing. Go back to

the thing.

>> All right. So, third gen's the worst.

>> Second dress. Second gen best.

>> Wow.

>> Second gen. Second gen.

>> Wow. Second gen.

>> Yeah. I mean, yes.

>> Oh my god.

This agreement would be too hard to

rank.

>> You agree with me?

>> There are three generations that I want

to rank as the best.

>> The second gen, the first gen,

>> the second gen, the first gen, and the

new one. And I got to tell you,

>> the the previous body, the one that just

ended, the the the 2014 through

>> forever,

>> 21, that's that that's like right behind

them.

>> Yeah,

>> they're all good.

>> I love that car. the the the the uh V8.

>> The V8. I love that car. I like the new

one a little better, but the V8 had an

STI.

>> Yeah, but if the STI VA was a little

>> If we're comparing WRX to WRX, I like

the new one more than the V8.

>> Yeah, the new one has grown on me a

surprising amount.

>> It also just drives fantastically. It's

phenomenal how it drives.

>> But second gen,

>> second gen is the top. We can all agree.

We can all agree.

>> Second gen changed the world.

>> This changed the world.

>> Second gen changed the world. like it

showed up in the States and was like,

"Japan pulled their sports cars out of

the US." Let me let me tell you

something. In '9798, the Supra left, the

RX7 left, the 3000GT left. We thought it

was all over. We thought it was all

done. And then Honda stuck around with

the Integra for that era, like the late

90s, early 2000s. The Integra Type R, it

was like the last gasp of the the

Japanese sports car, the NSX, which

wasn't selling. Yeah.

>> And then in O2,

>> I never will forget when the 04 STI came

out.

>> I never will forget that the STI was

there, the Evo was there, the WRX was

there, and there were rumors that there

was going to be a GTR, a Skyline GTR at

that time coming to the States. And it

was like, oh my god, the Japanese sports

car is bang. This car changed the world.

And that the in terms of like perform,

there's a generation who grew up with

this and modding this car and and and

>> 100%

>> learning about cars from this car. Yeah,

>> this is what I'm crashing this when I

think of this. Still what I think.

>> Yeah, I think of I think of an O2

bugeye.

>> Yeah, sure. I Yeah, I think a blue bug

eye. Pull up a pull up a nice blue

buggey.

>> When I was in high school, I can't tell

you how much I wanted a nice

>> Type in blue bug.

>> No, no. Scroll down a little. You'll

pull one up.

>> Look at these or they're good. Look at

that. 06 like

>> No, I don't want I don't want a hawk and

I don't want a blob. I want a bug.

>> You want a bug?

>> Uh that one. Oh, there there there

there. That car. I wanted this car more

than any I was rusty. I wanted this car

more than any other car when I was in

high school.

>> Remember,

>> dude, I don't know. I I was looking at

it the other day. I was like, maybe you

should have bought this thing.

>> What a good car though. Without a wing

is a wild look at

>> 227. They were sold without a wing.

That's OE. There was like a premium

package that included a wing as an

option and so some of them didn't have a

wing and the sedan was the way to go cuz

the hatch didn't have the flared

fenders. I don't know what your answer

is. I can't do it. I can't rank the

WRXs. Okay.

>> Well, you just can't do it.

>> It is hard.

>> If you say

>> they're all they're very

>> worst is third.

>> I see. I

>> If you say that best, you're excluding

the new

>> and the first the first

>> The first one doesn't do anything for

me.

>> Oh, it's so It's so seinal.

>> The the the first one is like an early

Lancer Evo. Like you know it existed,

but they're all kind of the same.

>> No, there's some with big wings. Yeah,

that's true of true of an Evo 3, too.

>> Somehow there's 13 trillion Evo numbers,

but

>> uh

>> it's a shame you're I can't That's my fa

I mean that's my favorite.

>> You drove one and did not enjoy it.

>> Okay.

>> Right.

>> We got to finish this. We got to finish

this.

>> So, it goes.

>> The third is the worst. Uh

>> the best is a four-way tie between the

first, second, fourth, and fifth.

>> Can we just make it a fiveway tie?

>> No. The third deserves to be shamed.

Although the third has that hatchback

which is the best of all.

>> So what do you do? What do you do?

>> Buy one of each.

>> I do like the fourth less than the the

new.

>> Yeah, I agree with that.

>> But the fourth had the fourth had the

S209.

>> That was a special car. But I it never

did anything for me specifically.

>> You don't know cars.

>> One of my neighbors there's a little

side story. Well, so somebody in my

neighborhood has a WRX STI blue

>> full body

>> VA last gen and then her significant

other, they have a couple kids, has a

Prius, a blue Prius. And I find that

fascinating cuz how do you as a family

have a Prius

>> and then a late model VR

>> because she wants to drive a cool car

and he doesn't care.

>> I know. I get that. But like

>> that's how

>> I I want to have two cool cars and I

will make my significant other drive a

cooler car.

>> Second gen first. Thank you.

>> Then new.

>> I need him to get to get there.

>> Then fourth, then first, then third.

>> Okay.

>> Goodbye everyone. It's the greatest

podcast we've ever done.

>> Ridiculous.

>> Ken, any parting thoughts?

>> Um, no. I like the the WRX is great. I

don't really have anything to add.

>> Thank you everyone. Good night. Goodbye.

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