Notable Recent Results, Auto News, and Palm Springs
About this episode
Recent auction results and automotive news take center stage as hosts Alex and Beck discuss record-breaking sales of classic cars, including two Ferrari 206 Dinos that sold for over a million dollars each. The episode also covers the implications of California's proposed Leno Law, which could ease emissions regulations for older cars, and highlights the vibrant car culture in Palm Springs. Listeners will enjoy insights on various auction results, including a supercharged NSX and a unique Toyota racing car, along with anecdotes from their recent experiences.
Alex and Beck review some recent highlights on BaT including a pair of record-breaking 206 Dinos, an understated Singer, a fascinating NSX result, and more. They discuss big news for Big Willow, Leno's Law, vintage SoCal fast food chains, percolating race car tech, the design legacy of the GT40, the backwards baseball cap in automotive form, and the ideal color for a 2002 Turbo before wrapping up by waxing poetic about Palm Springs car culture.
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1:41 prancinghorse BaT user profile
1:44 BaT Auctions Presents: The Z Collection BaT site post
1:59 1969 Ferrari Dino 206 GT BaT listing
3:54 1968 Ferrari Dino 206 GT BaT listing
4:15 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing w/ Factory Rudge Wheel Option BaT listing
6:45 1991 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Coupe by Singer BaT listing
11:56 California Senate Bill 712 Legiscan.com
19:02 Neon Porcelain Dairy Queen Sign BaT listing
19:21 Volkswagen Dealership Sign BaT listing
20:29 1990 AAR-Toyota Eagle HF89 BaT listing
23:57 9k-Mile Supercharged 2002 Acura NSX-T 6-Speed BaT listing
26:44 Race Car Replicas GT40 Mk1 BaT listing
28:33 1967 Ford GT40 G7A Mark IV Conversion BaT listing
29:06 Zinc Yellow 1996 Ford Escort RS Cosworth Lux BaT listing
30:25 the_patina_group BaT user profile
31:09 Supercharged 1937 Cord 812 Phaeton BaT listing
31:40 Euro 1978 Ferrari 308 GTB BaT listing
33:23 37-Years-Owned 1965 Honda S600 Roadster BaT listing
34:48 1952 Allard J2X BaT listing
35:14 Ardun-Ford-Powered 1951 Allard J2 BaT listing
35:36 1974 BMW 2002 Turbo BaT listing
42:08 South Florida BaT Meet-Up—April 19 with K2 Motorcars! BaT event announcement
44:11 2023 BAC Mono X BaT listing
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Ferrari 206 Dino
"I thought we could start up top by diving into 206 Dino results... it's kind of the original version of the Dino, right?"
The Ferrari 206 Dino is a rare sports car that was made by Ferrari. It has a smaller engine than the more famous 246 Dino and is valued for its unique design and performance.
The Ferrari 206 Dino is a classic sports car that was produced in limited numbers, known for its lightweight design and performance. It features a smaller engine compared to its successor, the 246 Dino, and is considered a significant model in Ferrari's history.
Bentley Azure
"...nd one of them was this for the exact color blue, Azure metallic blue, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful co..."
The Bentley Azure is a super fancy convertible car that is all about luxury and comfort. It's known for its beautiful design and powerful engine, making it a top choice for those who want the best.
The Bentley Azure is a luxurious convertible that combines high-end craftsmanship with powerful performance. Known for its opulent features and smooth ride, it represents the pinnacle of British luxury automobiles.
Porsche 911S
"The 246, the much more well-known car. Correct. Do you remember there's only about 500 206s, something like that? A 150 or four wheel lessons built in that year and a half of production. Yeah. So very few, and it's also just similar to like other cars like 9.11s and Jaguar E types. It's before a lot of small changes that I think people preferred maybe in the 90s and 2000s, that recently people started to prefer not having those changes. Once the car gets to a certain age, people want the original version of it, even if it's inferior, I think maybe another analog would be the Periscopo."
Jaguar E Types
"...so just similar to like other cars like 9.11s and Jaguar E types. It's before a lot of small changes that I think ..."
The Jaguar E-Type is a classic sports car from the 1960s that many people admire for its beautiful looks and fast performance. It's famous for being stylish and is often seen as a symbol of luxury.
The Jaguar E-Type, launched in 1961, is a British sports car renowned for its stunning design and impressive performance. Often considered one of the most beautiful cars ever made, it played a significant role in establishing Jaguar's reputation for luxury and speed.
Lamborghini Countach
"...another analog would be the Periscopo. Oh, sure. Kuntak, right? Another one would be, I think you were just talking with Maurice about this yesterday was 2002's..."
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous sports car that looks very unique and is known for its fast speed. It was popular in the 1980s and is still admired today.
The Lamborghini Countach is a legendary supercar known for its distinctive wedge shape and scissor doors. It became an icon of 1980s automotive design and performance.
BMW 2002
"...another one would be, I think you were just talking with Maurice about this yesterday was 2002's. Right. He was, he had a square tail..."
The BMW 2002 is an older model of car that is known for being fun to drive and has a strong following among car enthusiasts. It's considered a classic today.
The BMW 2002 is a classic compact car that played a significant role in establishing BMW's reputation for sporty, fun-to-drive vehicles. It is part of the '02 Series' and is highly sought after by collectors.
Ferrari 206 GT
"...the one that matters is the OG T.I. That's correct. Yeah. And so that's what this was. The 206 GT. We had this metallic blue one..."
The Ferrari 206 GT is an older sports car made by Ferrari that is known for being light and fast. It's considered a valuable classic car today.
The Ferrari 206 GT is a classic sports car produced in the late 1960s, known for its lightweight design and performance. It is part of Ferrari's early lineage of road-going sports cars and is highly prized by collectors.
Singer
"It's terrible to say something's a replica on a singer. Yeah, they're fuchs style. There we go."
Singer is a company that takes old Porsche cars and makes them look and drive better, combining classic style with modern technology.
Singer Vehicle Design is a company known for its high-end restorations and modifications of classic Porsche 911s, particularly focusing on the 964 generation. Their builds are often characterized by modern performance enhancements while retaining classic aesthetics.
PCA race
"...the first race I ever saw when I was a kid was like a, we know, Porsche Club, some kind of PCA race that my dad took me out to probably when I was 10 or 11."
PCA is a club for Porsche fans that hosts races and events. It's a way for people who love Porsches to come together and enjoy driving their cars on a track.
PCA stands for Porsche Club of America, which organizes various events, including races and track days for Porsche enthusiasts. These events provide a platform for members to enjoy their cars in a competitive yet friendly environment.
decreasing radius turn
"...you're charging pretty good into eight, which is a decreasing radius right hander. Sure. That kind of the turns into turn nine, which is onto the front straight..."
In a decreasing radius turn, the curve gets sharper as you go around it. This means you have to slow down more than you might expect to stay on track without losing control.
A decreasing radius turn is a corner that tightens as you navigate through it, requiring careful throttle and steering control. Drivers must adjust their speed and line to maintain grip and avoid losing momentum.
Hyundai Satellite
"...y or whatever it might be. And if you look at the satellite pictures, it's like very clear. Oh, that's where ..."
The Hyundai Satellite is a small car that was made in the 1990s. It's not very famous, but it was designed to be affordable for people looking for a budget-friendly option.
The Hyundai Satellite is a lesser-known model that was produced in the 1990s, primarily aimed at budget-conscious buyers. While it may not have the same recognition as other models, it represents Hyundai's early efforts to enter the compact car market.
Buttonwillow
"...the track where I did most of my a track time when I was younger, which is Button Willow, which is also relatively close to L.A...."
Buttonwillow is a racetrack in California where cars can be driven fast and tested. It's a place where car lovers go to race or practice driving.
Buttonwillow is a popular racetrack located in California, known for its diverse layout and challenging turns. It is often used for testing and racing by enthusiasts and professional drivers alike.
Pontiac Trans Am
"he showed up a couple days ago at the Capitol in a 76 Trans Am, which is I think probably the perfect car to demonstrate..."
The Pontiac Trans Am is a famous car from the 1970s, known for being powerful and stylish. The 1976 version is especially well-known and loved by car enthusiasts.
The Pontiac Trans Am is a classic American muscle car known for its performance and distinctive styling. The 1976 model is particularly notable for its role in popular culture and automotive history.
smog testing
"the issue is that they can't pass smog, but anything after 75 has to pass smog testing in California."
Smog testing checks how much pollution a car produces. In California, cars need to pass this test to be allowed on the road.
Smog testing is a regulatory process used to measure the emissions of pollutants from vehicles to ensure they meet environmental standards. In California, vehicles must pass these tests to be registered.
California smog
"going towards will this pass California smog? And it's because we are staff was talking about how excited they are this morning..."
California has tough rules about car emissions, which means cars need to pass tests to show they aren't polluting too much. This is especially important for older cars.
California smog regulations are strict emissions standards that vehicles must meet to be registered in the state. These regulations often require older cars to undergo smog checks to ensure they are not emitting excessive pollutants.
Sierra Cosworth
"...I've been into fast-fords for quite some time. A Sierra Cosworth is definitely on my list of some day..."
The Sierra Cosworth is a sporty car from Ford that was made in the 1980s. It has a powerful engine and is loved by car fans for its racing history.
The Ford Sierra Cosworth is a high-performance version of the Ford Sierra, known for its turbocharged engine and motorsport heritage. It was popular in the 1980s and is considered a classic among enthusiasts.
Acura NSX
"...w this affects cars all the way up to the 90s. My NSX, it was hard to get it to pass smog. Yeah, we've ..."
The Acura NSX is a sports car that was made in the 1990s and is known for being fast and fun to drive. It has a unique design and was one of the first cars to use lightweight materials to improve performance.
The Acura NSX, introduced in 1990, is a Japanese sports car that combines high performance with everyday usability. It was notable for its mid-engine layout and was one of the first production cars to feature an all-aluminum body.
25 year rolling car
"...it used to be a 25 year rolling car. Correct. Because I think emissions was 68..."
A 25 year rolling car means that cars older than 25 years don't have to follow the same pollution rules as newer cars. This helps keep older cars on the road without needing expensive upgrades.
A 25 year rolling car refers to the practice where vehicles that are 25 years old or older are exempt from certain emissions regulations, allowing them to be driven without modern emissions control systems. This is often seen as a way to preserve classic cars.
emissions control
"...first year of any kind of emissions control, both in the state level, but also that meant that pretty much any North American car company was having some sort of emission systems on it."
Emissions control is about making sure cars don't pollute the air too much. It's like having rules to keep the environment cleaner by reducing the bad stuff that comes out of car exhausts.
Emissions control refers to the regulations and technologies implemented to reduce the pollutants released into the atmosphere from vehicles. This includes systems designed to limit harmful emissions from the engine and exhaust.
Ferrari 308 GTB
"...my beloved 308 GTB that I want so badly, one of the main things holding me back is they've got four carburetors in 1977..."
The Ferrari 308 GTB is a stylish sports car made by Ferrari in the late 1970s. It's famous for its performance but has some challenges with emissions because it uses carburetors instead of modern fuel injection.
The Ferrari 308 GTB is a mid-engine sports car produced by Ferrari from 1975 to 1985. It is known for its sleek design and performance, and it features a V8 engine with carburetors, which can complicate emissions compliance.
electronic fuel injection
"...because we're not really at electronic fuel injection with carbs..."
Electronic fuel injection is a way to deliver fuel to a car's engine using computers. It helps the engine run better and produce less pollution compared to older systems that used carburetors.
Electronic fuel injection (EFI) is a system that uses electronic controls to deliver fuel to an engine, improving efficiency and reducing emissions compared to traditional carburetor systems. EFI became common in the 1980s.
closed loop system
"you made it a closed loop system on the fuel injection or even if it wasn't fuel injected. That helped so much just because the system now knows what it should be doing."
A closed loop system helps the engine adjust how much fuel it uses based on what the sensors detect. This makes the engine run better and cleaner.
A closed loop system in fuel injection refers to a system that uses feedback from sensors to adjust the fuel mixture for optimal performance and emissions. This ensures that the engine runs efficiently under varying conditions.
OBD2
"...even my 05 Porsche is just you just plug it in. So OBD2, I think it passed one of the first early stages..."
OBD2 is a system in cars that helps mechanics check how well the car is running. It can tell you if there are any problems with the engine or emissions.
OBD2, or On-Board Diagnostics II, is a standardized system that allows external devices to communicate with a vehicle's engine control unit. It provides diagnostic information and helps in monitoring vehicle performance and emissions.
Toyota Eagle All American Racing Car
"...Another one that I thought to bring up is, did you see the Toyota Eagle All American racing car? Yeah, it did. Yes. That car is so cool. Anything associated with Dan Gurney is like..."
This car was part of Toyota's racing efforts in America and is linked to famous driver Dan Gurney. It's known for its performance and design in the racing scene.
The Toyota Eagle All American Racing Car was a significant vehicle in the racing world, associated with the legendary driver Dan Gurney. It represents Toyota's involvement in American motorsports and showcases their engineering capabilities in a competitive environment.
Gurney flap
"And they also had a whole thing about the Gurney flap, the little lip on the back of spoilers."
A Gurney flap is a little piece added to the back of a car's spoiler that helps the car stick to the ground better when going fast.
The Gurney flap is a small aerodynamic device added to the trailing edge of a wing or spoiler to increase downforce and improve stability at high speeds. It was popularized by racing driver Dan Gurney.
Toyota Celica
"There's that real crazy Celica, too. That's all wide body and everything. It's from this same era."
The Toyota Celica is a sporty car that was popular in racing. It has a cool design and is known for being fun to drive.
The Toyota Celica is a compact car that has been popular in various motorsport forms, especially during the 1980s and 1990s. It is known for its sporty design and performance-oriented variants.
blow off valve
"they have great, you know, blow off valve noises."
A blow off valve is a part in turbocharged engines that helps release extra pressure when you stop accelerating. It makes a cool noise when it does this.
A blow off valve is a device used in turbocharged engines to release pressure from the intake system when the throttle is closed, preventing compressor surge and allowing the turbo to spool more efficiently.
turbocharged
"...in 1990 turbocharged four cylinders were not super common, but they, of course, have become super common in cars. But other than that, it's hard to draw a straight line to street cars."
Turbocharged means the engine has a special device that helps it produce more power by pushing in more air. This makes the engine stronger without needing to be bigger.
Turbocharged refers to an engine that uses a turbocharger to increase its power output by forcing more air into the combustion chamber. This technology improves efficiency and performance, especially in smaller engines.
Ford Probe
"That's like the Ford Probe. Yeah. GTP was developed. They have nothing to do with the street car other than say like the block."
The Ford Probe is a car that Ford made in the late '80s and '90s. It was designed to be a fun and sporty car that was also affordable.
The Ford Probe was a sports coupe produced by Ford in the late 1980s and 1990s. It was designed to be a sporty, affordable car and was known for its aerodynamic design and performance-oriented features.
Formula One
"...it's harder for me to connect a modern Formula One car to any piece of technology that's in a street car. But back then, you could still say like we're making turbo..."
Formula One is a type of car racing that is very popular around the world. The cars are super fast and use the latest technology to go as fast as possible on special tracks.
Formula One is a premier international auto racing sport known for its high-speed cars and advanced technology. The cars are designed for maximum performance on racetracks and often feature cutting-edge engineering and aerodynamics.
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
"...our. Well, there is one, right? Isn't there a new GT3 RS? Yeah. Oh, the 992 GT3 RS has a DRS system. Well,..."
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the popular Porsche 911 sports car, built for racing. It's lightweight and has special features that help it go really fast on the track.
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a high-performance variant of the iconic 911 sports car, designed for track enthusiasts. It features a lightweight construction, powerful engine, and advanced aerodynamics, making it one of the most capable cars on the racetrack.
supercharger
"with a supercharger of 370 grand. I saw that."
A supercharger is a machine that helps an engine get more air, which means it can burn more fuel and go faster. It gives a quick boost in power.
A supercharger is a device that forces more air into the engine, allowing it to burn more fuel and produce more power. It provides immediate power boost without the lag often associated with turbochargers.
horsepower
"but you can have 400 horsepower, right?"
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The more horsepower, the faster the car can go.
Horsepower is a unit of measurement for power, indicating how much work an engine can perform over time. More horsepower generally means better acceleration and higher top speeds.
Targa
"As you know, there really ones that are fixed, and then later they're all Targas or pretty much all Targas."
A Targa is a style of car that has a roof that you can take off. It lets you enjoy the open air while still having some of the car's roof for support.
A Targa is a type of car body style that features a removable roof section, combining elements of both coupe and convertible designs. It allows for an open-air driving experience while maintaining structural integrity.
Ford GT40
"...the race car replica is GT40 Mark. I'm so good. I've been on that listing many times..."
The Ford GT40 is a famous race car from the 1960s that was built to win races. It's known for its unique shape and has a lot of history in car racing.
The Ford GT40 is a high-performance race car that was originally developed in the 1960s to compete in endurance racing, particularly at Le Mans. It is known for its iconic design and success in motorsport, including winning the 24 Hours of Le Mans four times in a row from 1966 to 1969.
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
"...olor in the headline, yeah, zinc yellow 1996 Ford Escort RS Cosworth. Also not on my watch list, but every time that c..."
The Ford Escort RS Cosworth is a fast version of a regular car called the Escort, famous for its racing background. People love it for its speed and unique look.
The Ford Escort RS Cosworth is a high-performance version of the standard Escort, known for its rally heritage and turbocharged engine. It became a cult classic among car enthusiasts for its performance and distinctive styling.
Ford Mustang
"...going to get in trouble. What do you think I like Mustang SVOs so much? It's a lot of those same elements, ..."
The Ford Mustang is a classic American car that people love for its speed and cool looks. It's often seen as a symbol of freedom and is popular among car enthusiasts.
The Ford Mustang, first introduced in 1964, is an iconic American muscle car known for its powerful engines and sporty design. It has become a symbol of freedom and rebellion in automotive culture.
Alfa Romeo GTV
"...ushing with them. Anthony Sarah has a Euro 78 308 GTV. So you're not going to be friends right now. No,..."
The Alfa Romeo GTV is a stylish sports car from the 1970s that many people love for its fun driving experience. It's known for being sporty and has a unique Italian design.
The Alfa Romeo GTV is a sporty coupe that gained popularity in the 1970s, known for its stylish design and engaging driving experience. It represents Alfa Romeo's commitment to performance and Italian automotive passion.
Honda S600
"... one you won't be surprised for is a beautiful 65 S600 Honda roadster. Another car. I've got to get one ..."
The Honda S600 is a tiny sports car from the 1960s that is loved for its fun driving experience and quick engine. It helped Honda become known for making sporty cars.
The Honda S600 is a small sports car produced in the 1960s, known for its high-revving engine and lightweight design. It played a significant role in establishing Honda's reputation in the sports car market.
Toyota 800 Toyota
"...riginal Sylvia Toyota 2000 GT. My favorite sports 800 Toyota. But he had a both a roadster and a coupe. Kimmer..."
Toyota 2000 Gt
"...istoric, you know, Japanese cars. Original Sylvia Toyota 2000 GT. My favorite sports 800 Toyota. But he had a both..."
The Toyota 2000GT is a rare and beautiful sports car from the late 1960s that is admired for its design and speed. It's one of the first cars that made Japan known for making high-performance vehicles.
The Toyota 2000GT, produced from 1967 to 1970, is a rare and highly regarded sports car that helped establish Toyota's reputation for performance. With its sleek design and advanced engineering, it is considered one of the first Japanese supercars.
BMW E21
"...dvantage of the original five speed. If you do an E21 five speed drop in your obviously getting the con..."
The BMW 3 Series is a small luxury car that people enjoy for its sporty feel and comfortable interior. It's been popular for many years and is known for being a great driving experience.
The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car that has been in production since 1975, known for its sporty handling and premium features. It has become a benchmark for performance and luxury in its class.
Mercedes-Benz SL
"...of 129s. I saw a lot of R2-30s. It's just like an SL country down there. It is absolutely SL country. ..."
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a fancy convertible car that has been around for a long time. It's known for being stylish and comfortable, making it a popular choice for those who want a luxury driving experience.
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a luxury roadster that has been in production since the 1950s, known for its combination of performance and elegance. It has evolved through various generations, maintaining its status as a symbol of luxury and sophistication.
Volkswagen Caddys
"down there is the big 60s, 70s American land yachts. And I saw quite a few of those around. And particularly Caddy's big Cadillac convertibles or even big Cadillac coups from the 70s just makes so much sense out there and looks so fantastic. And I think I would probably have to"
Cadillac Coups
"...rly Caddy's big Cadillac convertibles or even big Cadillac coups from the 70s just makes so much sense out there a..."
The Cadillac Coupe De Ville is a big, fancy car that was popular in America for many years. It's known for being very comfortable and stylish, often seen as a symbol of luxury.
The Cadillac Coupe De Ville is a classic American luxury coupe that was produced from the 1940s to the 1990s, known for its spacious interior and smooth ride. It symbolizes the height of luxury and comfort in American automotive history.
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