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Oil Slick or Science of Oil
About this episode
Delving into the science of oil, this episode explores its history, types, and importance in Jeep maintenance. The hosts share their passion for lubrication, discussing everything from viscosity to oil additives. They highlight the evolution of oil technology and its impact on engine performance, while also addressing common misconceptions. With lively banter and personal anecdotes, the conversation is both informative and entertaining, making it a deep dive into a topic that often goes overlooked in the automotive world.
Topics:
oil science
lubrication
viscosity
oil additives
engine performance
oil history
synthetic oils
maintenance tips
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Ifyou'reinterestedinwhat'shappeninginourpersonallives,staytunedthroughtheoutrocredits.
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Today,wearegoingtobetalkingaboutoilspecifically,somethingI'mdefinitelykindof,youknow,Iliketonerdoutonandwe'llbegivingaprettyinterestingoverviewoveroil.
lubrication,ifyouwill.
Youarepassionateaboutlube.
Iampassionateaboutlube.
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ThisshouldhavebeenourAfterHours.
Holycow.
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Nate,talkingaboutlube.
Nope,we'regoingtogotocomments.
Natesays,only20daysuntilTrailHeroand30daysuntilthepremiereofTrailHeroX.
Yes,andAndIbelieveNatewillbeonthatvideoseries.
OnHeroX,right?
Yes.
Sotunein,andyou'llgettoseehimself,hisfamily,andtheotherparticipants.
I'mnotgoingtolie.
I'mprettyexcitedtoseethat,especiallyknowingNate.
He'sbeenintheshop.
We'vehadhiminacoupletimes.
Hebroughtusdonuts.
He'souralmostalwaysnumberonecommenter.
Yep,yep.
Supercoolstuffthere,andwelookforwardtothat.
Imean,off-roadcontentiscoolnomatterwhereit'scomingfrom,andsolookingforwardtothat.
TrailHeroisagreateventandorganization,itappears.
Yeah,andhewasveryhush-hush.
Hefollowedhiscontract.
He'snotallowedtotalkaboutit,soheleftushanging.
Iwashopinghe'dgiveussomeinsider.
Hewouldn't.
Nope,nope.
Sobestofluckasthatseriespremieres.
SinceitisourfirstlivefromSmokyMountain,IdowanttoaddressagiftfromtheownersofCookieMonsterandtheMinion.
Wegotthisreallysweetduckyfour-wheeldrivesignage.
That'scool.
Andareallyniceheavy-dutymagnet.
Feelthatmagnet.
Itlookslikeaheavymagnet.
Right?
Imean,youcouldclocksomebodywiththat.
Anditsays,Jeep,anythingbutordinary.
Iappreciatethegifts,andIliketorecognizepeoplewhenandhowtheysharewithus.
Ifeellikethefour-wheeldrivesignisgoingtohavetogethungsomewhere.
Oh,absolutely.
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Sothankyou,JeannieandJeff,forthosegiftsandthinkingofusduringthatevent.
Withthatsaid,wehadsomeinterestinginformation,whichIwouldliketoshareouttotheworldnowandkindofourfirstandforemostconfirmation.
We'vesignedonthedottedlineandacongratulationstothemadscientist,becausewehavehashtagnotarrested.
whichwillbeafeaturebuildwithintheCrownAutomotiveboothatSEMA2025.
Theyhaveabeautifulpeninsulaboothspace,andtheywillbeshowcasingthatbuildwithintheconventioncenteraskindofaprimeexampleforit.
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Wasthatrain?
Thatwasabsolutelyrain.
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Ijust...
Butdoyou?
Areyousure?
IthinkJeffislisteningtothingsinhisearsrightnowandhe'stryingtodoproducerstuff.
No,Iwasn't.
Oh,okay.
Iwasjustreadingthedifferentsoundeffects.
Oh,he'sreadingthesoundeffects.
Oh,dear.
Itwassuperintense.
SolookforwardtomoreconversationaboutthataswegetclosertogettingthatJeepouttosunnyLasVegasinabouttwomonths.
Yep,thatJeephas...
Traveledquiteabitthankstotheshowcircuitthatit'sbeenon,soit'sprettyexciting.
Obviously,itwasatSmokyMountainandrightonthecorneraswell,soit'sprettyawesome.
TheownerisonCloud9,asheshouldbe.
Yep,yep.
It'sabuildworthyofalltheaccoladesit'sreceiving.
Andifyou'reunfamiliarwithit,there'sawholebunchofvideosoutthereaboutit.
Therewasareallycoolviralrollingvideowedidrightbeforewewenttothatwasfunsmokyuhthefunniestthingisjustsoeverybody'sonthesamepageimeanweweresoprofessionalbecausewehavearollingrigyouknowthesavagehasboughtyouknowaspecialarmthatattachestojeff'sjeepandjeff'soutthereasuhasournumerounowheelmanandwe'redoingcattywampusclosedcourseyeahmaneuversandand
andtheguyswentsofarastheyhookedmeupwithasetofheadphonesonawalkietalkiebecauseyouknowsotheabilityforSavagetoweighinandsayheythisisIneedyoutomoveinthisdirectionandin3,2,1Iwantyoutoswitchlanesandyadayadathere'salotthatgoesintoproducingthatexceptforhedidn'twarnyouaboutthetreedownnonoImeanwedidalmostcollidethatonemademenervousyeahweactuallywealmostcollidedinone
oftheshootingsononakindofabackcountryroad.
Onaclosedcourse.
Onaclosedcourse.
Yeah.
Right.
Justatreerandomlywasdownontheclosedcourse.
Yes.
Ihateitwhenthathappens.
Andthefunniestthingis,andthatvideowentviral,andofcourse,whenthathappens,you'regoingtogetallthehumansoutofthesocialpages,whichiswhatever.
Buttheywerelike,whydoyouhaveheadphoneson?
You'reasissy,youknow?
AndIwaslike...
Oh,yeah,becausetheythoughtyourearswerecoldorsomething.
Something.
Orlike,Ididn'twanttohearthepipes.
Idon'tknow.
Yeah.
Andthenalso,doesthatreallygodownthefreeway?
Oh,wegot,thatmustbeAIbecauseJeepscan'tgothatfastdownthefreeway.
Yep,theycan.
Yeah,whenthey'rebuiltright.
Ijustthoughtitwassofunny.
Nope,it's100%real.
Itwasactually,IwaswearingheadphonessoIcouldhearthedirectionsfrom,youknow,thevideographysideofthings.
TheJeepactuallygoes,youknow,70,80milesperhourprettyconfidently.
Yeah,thebiggestchallengeisit'sabrickandwindisnotyourfriend.
Yeah.
Otherthanthat,we'regoodtogo.
Ordowntreesonit.
onclosedcourseswhileJeffreymakesmaneuvers.
Youjustgottoclimboverthem.
It'saJeep.
Justfortunately,bothofusareprettygoodbehindthewheel,andwewereabletoavoidthat.
Yes,professionaldrivers.
Ontheclosedcourse.
Ontheclosedcourse.
Anywho.
So,oilage.
Oilage.
Lubrication.
That'swhathelpstheJeepgo70milesanhourdownthefreeway.
Blackgold.
TherightkindofoilhelpstheJeepgothatfast.
Texastea.
Yep.
Whathappensifit'sthewrongyouknowwhat'scoolthingImeanoverlyoverlyoverlycontextualizingIdon'tthinkthatTitusvillePennsylvaniagetsenoughrecognitionhonestlyImeanweallhadthechanceIdon'tknowaboutJeffbutweallgotachancetogooutandlookatthewellandkindofexperiencethataskidsDrake'swellyeahJeff'sfiredupforourlisteningaudience
andI'mNitro.
Sofunhowtheygotthatoil.
Itwasalwaysreallyinteresting.
Fromourlisteningaudienceinthesixoutofsevencontinents,dangyoupenguins,andthemultitudeofcountrieswe'rein,wearegeographicallylocatedonlywithinaboutanhouroftheFranklinCity,OilCity,Titusvilleconglomerate,whichiswherethediscoveryofoilatDrake'sWelloriginated.
AndIthinkthatthatissocool.
It'skindofuniquebecausenowwehavetheoil,wehavethesteel,wehavethemanufacturing.
Wejustalmosttakeitforgrantedofsorts.
Grewupwithwhat'sthewayIwanttocallit?
Onthesideoftherailroad,thesteelironorepelletsallthatkindofstuffisrightinourbackyardyessowegrewuparoundthatstuffIthinkit'seasyitwouldbeeasytotakeitforgrantedequallyifyouwereelsewhereonthecountryyouknowkindofyourperipheriesonthecoastifyouwilloilandgroundmineralsmightbealittlemoreforeigntoyouitmightalmostbealittlemysteriouswhereasforallof
uswerecognizethemanypositiveimplicationsthatcrudeoildiscoveryhadonaregion.
Now,asmanypeopleknowfromDetroittoPittsburghuptoBuffalo,ifyouwill,thatthisareaismaybeabygoneofthemanufacturingindustry,right?
Butonceareallyprominentworldplayerasfaraswhereironoreandoilwasbeingmade,refinedanddistributedfrom.
Andsowearespeakingoutintoourgloballisteningaudienceasindividualswhoarelocatedinthisbreadbasketoforiginality,notjustforJeepsalone,whichIthinkisveryspecialfrom,youknow,again,ToledotoButler,butfromthatoriginaldegreeofdiscoverythatpropelledindustrializationintowhatweknowittobe.
AndthebestpartofthatisbecauseofthatwehavekindofhometownbrandsthathonestlyIdon'tknowwheretheynationwideornotbutwehavelittlecompaniesthatyouknowit'snotPennzoilit'snotQuakerStateit'snotthatkindofstuffit'sliterallyWolf'sHeadorSchaefer'sorthatkindofstuffthatyouknowletusknowdoyouknowofthosebrandsbecausethoseoriginatedoverinPennsylvaniarightwellPennzoilobviouslydidaswellright
buttheyTheygotbiggerandbigger,andmaybetheydon'trealizetheoriginstoryofthose.
founddepositsofoilelsewhereinmuchmoresubstantialmeans.
Butwhenitwasdiscoveredinourarea,itchangedtheworldquiteliterally.
Andsoweallunderstandthisproduct,crudeoil,whichisacomposition,isaliquefiedremnantsofthedinosaurs.
Nope.
WhichactuallyIlovebecauseofaSinclairoil.
DoyourememberSinclair?
Ido.
Withtheirlittledinoonthere.
Ihaveasign.
Andthatwasactuallyamisnomerthatpeoplesaiditwasdinooil,butitactuallyisn't.
Correct.
Yeah.
But,uh,Istillcan'tgetoverthedinoblood.
I,I,it'slikeoneofthosethings,likeit'singrainedinme.
Don'tletthefactsgetinthewayofagoodstory.
Andthat'showIfeel.
Right.
Ofcoursewedidn'tknowthough.
Wedidn'tunderstandexactlywhere,uh,oilcamefromperse.
Um,becauseofcourse,uptothatpointintime,youknow,ifwejustthoughtwecallaspadeaspade,theywereusinglikelardcompositesforfuels,youknow,sowhales,seals,otheranimals.
Um,youknow,we,asa,asasociety,wewererepurposing,wehadn'treally,uh,foundtheseenergysourcesyet,youknow?
Sogoaheadandexpanduponwhatyoumightwantto.
Iwasjustat,uh,Obviously,peoplewerealwaysdigginginthegroundandthatsortofthing.
AndoveratJake'sWell,wefinallyfoundkindofoilonpurposeforouruse.
Andwhenitfirstwasdiscovered,wereallydidn'tknowthecapabilitiesandallthedifferentthingsweweregoingtouseitfor.
Thenkerosenelampswereabigthing.
Iwasgoingtosay,really,wewerejustfueloilandkerosenewasreallytheonlything.
Infact,thereweresomanybyproductsofoilthatwerewastedatthattime.
Andthat'ssomethingIdon'tknowmanydoknowornot.
Gasolineliterallywasawasteproduct.
Atonetime,people,theyburneditoff,theydumpedit,theythrewitaway.
Sowhencarsstartedusingit,itwasliterallylikerunningoffbananapeels.
Oh,cool,thisisrunningoffgarbage.
Whyisthesavagecomingbackhere?
He'spoppingthedooralittletoseeifwecanimproveourinternetsignalbecausetheinternetisglitchingforeverybody.
ButIwasjustlookingashewascomingbacktodothat.
Weareactuallydirectconnectedtoethernet.
Sothereissomethingtodowiththeinternet.
Ithasnothingtodowithanythingonourend.
Conspiracy.
Conspiracytheory.
Yeah.
Anyways.
Bigoil.
Mindlesstosay,whileyouguysaretalkingbigoil,I'moverherecommunicatingwithDavey,withmywife.
We'regoingtoletyoukeepgoing.
We'regoingtokeepgoingwearewearecontinuingidon'tevenknowwherewe'reatinconversationthat'sfineyoukeepdoingihearddrinksagainandigotexcitedbecausewe'repastthatishsoanywho'swewereyouknoworiginallylookingforkeroseneuhobviouslyweneededsomeheavyoilsforlikegreaseandlubricationsteamuhlocomotivesthatkindofstuffneededconstantlubricationcorrectumsoasthingsprogressedmoreandmoreuhscientistslookedintolikehow
canweusemoreofthisproductrightandyouknowkindofputahundredyearsofthisdiscoveryinonelittlechunkwegotplasticswegotgasolinewegotgreasewegotallthekindofweightsofoildieselfueldieselfuelbecauseIandIcan'thammerhomeenoughfolksandformeandthewaythatmybrainworksIneedourlisteningaudiencetounderstandthatandI'mgoingtocontextualizemyself
I'mperfectlyhappytogetbehindthedriver'sseatofabigblockorasmallblockandlettheEaglesflyasmuchasIamtogetreallyjazzedupone-automotivetechnology,right?
See,Iprefermediumblock.
Uh-huh.
So,youknow,I'mwillingtogetbehindthewholeV8sneedtobeanappropriateaspectofourautomotiveexperience.
Butwhattheworldwentthroughwhenthatoilpriceprocessinitiallyhappenediswhatwearelivingthroughforelectrification.
Itjustiswhatitis.
Andwecanmakealltheargumentsintheworlduntilwe'reblueintheface,andyoucantellmehowit'sabadchoice,andthis,that,andthethird.
Butasastudentofhistory,quiteliterally...
Whentheywerecomingforthehorses.
Whentheywerecomingforthehorses,andoilrefinementwasnotavailableinthehillsofKentucky...
allthejobswereputoutforhorsemaintenance.
Correct.
Horsemaintenance,stablemaintenance,carriagemaintenance,soonandsoforth.
Thatiswhatthemomentwe'relivingthrough.
It'saboutcontextandperspective.
AndtheotherpartIthinkissointerestingistalkingabouthowgasolinecleanedupbigcitiesfrommanure.
Youdon'tthinkaboutthat.
Youhavehundredsofthousandsofhorses.
Anddeadanimals.
Ofhorses.
Yes.
Inaday.
Yes.
horsegraveyards.
Idon'trememberthestats,butthatoneepisode,wetalkedaboutthatandhowmuchmanureitwas.
Itwasinsane.
Yes.
Andsowithoutgettingoffonatirade,understandthatthesimilaritiesaredrasticasoilbecomesmoreprevalent,therefiningprocessbecomesprevalent.
Therewas,ofcourse,anumberofpeoplewhowerejusttheracetotryanduseitforwhatevertheycould,medicinallyorotherwise.
It'sabsolutelycrazy.
There'salotofcrazystuff,right?
Literallywheresnakeoilcamefrom.
Correct.
Toadegree,right?
Toadegree.
Soaswemoveforwardandspringboardourselvesintokindofmoderntechnologies,specifically,let'sjumpover,unfortunately,youknow,100years,basically.
Yep.
Andbringourselvesto,bringusuptospeedofthe80sand90s.
Wehaveconventionaloilsofamixeddegreeofweights.
Weightsspecificallyaddressviscosityviscosityisumbasicallyhowyouknowiguessanoversimplificationishowsomethingflowsorthinnessorthicknessofitsowhyistheretwonumbersandawwellholdonsofirstwehavetotalkaboutstraightweightoilyeswellthat'sthesingleweightandatthispointthoseareusuallyuhaircompressorsalotofmoresyesindustrial
applicationoldautomobilesomepoint.
SoifyougotaWillis,thenyoucouldprobablyuseastraight30or40weightoil.
IneedtoknowwhatbuttononthesoundboardI'mallowedtopush,Jeff,whenIwanttointerrupt.
Pivot!
Iwantourlisteningaudiencetorecognize.
I'verecognizedsomethingbecauseI'mapurveyorofhumanbeings.
AndsoIpickuponmicroexpressionsandlittleinteractionsandhabitualthings.
Andwhenpeoplepurposelymakechangesintheirlife,Inoticethesethings.
Otherpeoplemightnotnotice,andit'soneofthosethingsthatyoumightjustkindoflike...
It'spartofhistism.
Yeah,it'spartofmytism,okay?
Scott,forourlisteningaudience,Iwantyoutoknowthis,isattemptingtowalkthroughlifeinamannerinwhichherespectsmultiplebeliefsystems.
Whenitcomestovintagevehiclesofaparticularera,heispurposelychoosingtousethepronunciationWillis.
Yes.
Iwatchedavideo.
Andtherearetimesthathe'llstillrefertothingsasWillis.
I'mgoingtogobacktoJeepJeopardywhereIgotscoldedbybothofyouforsayingWillis.
Andnowhe'susingWillis.
That'sokay.
Butheactuallyisable,heisstraddlingbothsidesofthebeliefsystemofkindofdiggingourheelsin.
I'mstillgoingtocalllikeamodernApackageaWillispackage.
Okay.
Absolutely.
AndIwanttospecifically,becauseI'mnotjumpingontheWillisbus.
I'mjustnotrightnow.
Soyou'regoingtomakeusderail,becauseIhavetodofortwoseconds.
SoWilliswastheguy'sname.
Yep.
That'sthecreatedWillisOverland.
Yes.
AndwhenKaisergotaholdofWillisCorporation,somanypeoplewerecallingitWill-E'sbecausenobodyactuallyknewhowtopronounceit.
Theyjustweredoingit.
surethingoffofwhatitsaidonthevehicleyeptheyranwithittheydidsobotharecorrectyepandifyouwanttopayhomagetothemanandtheoriginalcorporationwhichwe'retalkingaboutbackin100yearsagoisaidwhynotsaywillisiknowiknowexactlywhatyou'redoingandithinkthatinlifetherearetoomanylittlelikeinnuendosortoomanylittlethingsandmitismcan'tnotaddressitsothatotherpeopleareawareofthe
intentionalitythatScottistakinginhistalkingpoints.
Boom,they'redone.
There'smypivot.
I'mgoingtogetbackontherails.
It'sjustanywho.
Sostraightweights,ifyouhavethoseoldervehicles,theymightcallforastraightway.
And,andultimatelynow,canyouputadualweightoilinthoseorwillitmakeitblowup?
No,youcanputadualweightinthem.
Yeah.
Thevehicleisn'tgoingtopanic.
Here'sthething.
Andso,and,and,thisiswhereIstarttoreallykindofnerdout.
I'mgoingtojumpinrealquickbecausethecommentisperfect.
IgotJoeO'Briengoing,whatyoutalkabout,Wills?
Thattracks.
Thattracks.
So,thisiswhereIreallystartto...
Thisisthedumbestandlikemyself-imposednerdfactyouwillfindoutaboutmeandabouthowtheseoilsdifferentiate.
Igetrealjazzeduponviscousmodifiers.
Hedoes.
What'ssofunnyisthatSaturdayweweretalkingabout,becauseScottaskedwhatweweregoingtobedoingonthetopic,andIsaid,oh,we'retalkingoil.
AndGreggoes,oh,that'sNeil'sfavoritenerdytopic.
OutsideofU-joints?
Iwasgoingtosay,nexttoU-joints.
Like,howdumb.
Peoplegetreallyexcitedaboutthingsthat,Idon'tknow,actuallyarefun.
Idon'tknow,wheelsorlights.
IsecretlythinkU-jointsisjustbecauseofthespecialgreasethattheThejointsused.
Sostilllubrication.
Andthesealsthatholdthegreaseinorpurgethegreaseout.
Yeah,that'skindoftrue.
Soviscousmodifiersarethedevilandwhatmostpeopledon'ttakeintoconsideration.
Sowhathe'stryingtosayiswhenyouhaveanoilthatsays5W20or5W30...
Itstartsoutonethingandheatandpressurecreatessomething,magic.
Yes,magichappens.
Andtheoiltransitionstotheothernumber.
Okay.
Andthere'samagicianinthesamebottlewhohastocarrythatweightfromtheinitialstartupweight,whichisthinner,right?
Sowhenitcomestoadualweightoil,andthat'sallI'mgoingtoconcentrateoniswhenwehavealowernumberandthenahighernumberversusstraightweight.
Theengineneedstostartwiththethinnerviscousweight.
Andthatissothatyoucanappropriatelylubricatetheinternalcomponents.
Soonaarguablywhat'scalledacoldstart,andIdon'tcareifitisthemiddleofsummerorthedeadofwinter,it'sstillacoldstart.
Andthatmeansthattheenginehasnotpressurized,thattheinternallubricationandoilingsystemhasnotinitiateditsprocess.
Theoilissimplyabletoflowbetterfrombottomtotop.
Thinkaboutdrinkingadrinkofwaterthroughastrawversusdrinkingamilkshake.
Thewater,withthesamelevelofeffort,subjectedtothestrawissimplygoingtocomeupintoyourmouthfasterthanthemilkshake.
Themilkshakewillrequiremoreeffortfromyoutokindofinitiallygetthatflowstarted.
Now,thethingis,aviscousmodifier'sjobistotransitionthatwaterintomilkshakeasheatandfrictionisincreasedsowehavetosothinkabouttheinitialnumberonadualweightoilasthewaterandthesecondarynumberasthemilkshakeandthemodifier
hastomoveitnowthatmodifierormagicianwhodoesthatstuffwellIappreciateyouranalogyit'sactuallydrivingmenutsbecausemilkshakeinoilisalsousuallyabadthingfairFairingeneral,andmaybewe'llgettothatornot.
Butthechallengewiththisisthefactthatyouhavetodecreasethelubricitycontentofthequantity.
Soifyouthinkaboutgoingtotherestauranttobuyyourlargemilkshake,andit'sgoingtoinitiallycomeoutaswater,Youthenhavetohaveaproductintherethatallowsthetransitiontohappen.
Soyouhavesomeofthatproduct,whichexistsaswaterandakindofaparticulatecontent.
Youhavesomeofthatcontentthatexistsasmilkshake.
Andthenyouhavesomeofthatcontent,whichisthemagicianwhomagicallymovesthewaterintomilkshake.
Andthenafterthat...
istheadditivesandthethingsthatmakeitPennzoil.
Andyetthereisafourthpartyrepresentedinthatsamelargemilkshakethatisthedetergents,theadditives,theMollyBond,andsoonandsoforth.
Justtokeeprunningwithyouranalogy,that'sthestrawberries,theblueberries,theOreo.
100%,right?
Themalt.
Themalt.
Sointheory,straightweightisjustthemilkshake.
Yes.
Okay.
Andwhenwehaveamilkshakeallthetime,allmilkshakeallthetime,andyoucanhaveadegreeofmaltinthatmilkshake,andwehavenotlessenedthelubricityofthat30weightwithdetergent,right?
Becausesomeofitwillbewithoutdetergent.
Andthat'sadegreeofdetergentinthem.
Somehavemore,somehaveless.
That'stheirsecretsauce.
So,otherthananadditive,whatdoesdetergentdo?
Well,it'sprimarilygoingtobreakdowncarbondepositsanditmight...
Itkindofdoeswhatyouexpectdetergenttodo.
Itcleans.
Yes.
Fairwaytosavemeonthatone.
So,ifyou'veevertakenanoldvehicleapartandyoupullthevalvecoveroffandthere'saperfectimprintofthevalvecover...
andsludge.
Yes.
Theywererunningnon-detergentoil.
Yes.
Ifyoutakeanewvehicleapartthat'sonlyseendetergentoilandyoujusthaveanicegoldenbrownofeverythingandnosludge,thereisyourwhyit'sintheoil.
Yourprimarydifferentiation.
Iloveit.
Whichisalsowhyifyouhaveanoldvehicleandyougoandyouputdetergentoilinitandit'sgottheperfectimprintofthevalvecover,you'regoingtoplugthingsupbecauseit'sgoingtoliquefyallthesludgeallatonce.
Yeah,becausethesludgeactuallystartstobreakdownthedetergent.
Itactslikeasolvent.
It'sgoingtostarttobreakdownthecarbondepositsorotherbasicallysludgedepositsthatexistintheengine.
Butitdoesn'tinstantlydissolveatall.
Itjustmakesitmoveandplugthingsup.
Anditcouldpluganotheroilgalleyorjournalintheprocessandactuallycreateproblems.
Idon'twanttogettothatjustyet.
Isituationandmycontinuedkindof,youknow,soapboxaboutitaswemoveintosomanyoftheseotherthings.
Iloveoiltalks,man.
I'mthinkingtomyself,God,wecanmoveintosynthetics.
Wecanmoveintomultiblends.
Allright.
Thislastpieceofmultiepisode.
Idon'tknow.
Idon'tknow.
I'mgoingtofolks.
I'mgoingtotryandcloseit.
Everybodywantsoneanddoneepisodes.
I'mgoingtotryandkeepittoone.
No,you'renot.
Sowehaven'tevengotthere.
Somany,there'ssomuchgoodsciencearoundthis.
Ifyouwanttoreadlike,likereallyridiculously,likemind-numbinglyboringchartsand-Jeffwouldbeasleep.
Summaryorsynopsisonhowtheseoils,multi-rateoilsaremadeandwhatnot.
I'mgoingtotryandkindofstayontopicandjustgiveyoukindofbird'seyeviews,understandingthatpeoplelikemyselfdoreallygetgiddyoverthisstuff.
Butarguablyinthelast40,50years,we'veseenanumberofdifferentoilmanufacturerschangerecipesorchangetheirmarketing,changeforengines.
Andthebigthingisbasicallyit'sthis,theenginemanufacturersaredoingonethingandtheoilcompaniesaredoinganother.
Andthey'realwayskindoftryingtoworkcohesivelyyetindependentlyofeachother.
Ithinkit'simportantaswell.
Andthistalkofdualweightoil,we'veseenaprogression,youknow,WegotourTJsandolder.
They'rea1030,1040kindofJeep.
AndthenwegotourJKs.
Thosearea530anda520kindofJeep.
AndthenwecameoutwithaJL,andeverybodygotallupsetbecauseit's020.
Yes,sir.
Andit'swater.
Itstartsaswater.
Yes.
Andtransitionsto20,whichisliterallywhattheJK,whenhot,wasrunningon.
Right.
Andwe'reonly10pointslessthanwhattheTJranonhot.
Mm-hmm.
AndIthinkpeoplemissthatpart.
Butwhywestartoutwithalowernumberfirstisbecausetheykeepmakingthetolerancesonthemotortighterandtighter.
Whencold,that'simportant.
Asitheatsup,thingsexpand,change,andthereforewhytheelectricitychanges.
Yes.
AndthatisexactlywhatIwaswantingyoutofillinisthefactthatenginetechnology,asitbecomesmoreefficientwithmoreprecisiontolerancesbasedonitsconstructionthentheoilhastogetthinnertodoitsjobwhereasouroldenginesintheWilliserabasicallygrandpacouldputthatenginetogetherwithahalfinchwrenchandasledgehammerinhisbackyard
andmanyindividualsdidthat'swhyAmericafellinlovewithvehicleswasbecausesomanypeoplecouldworkonthesethingswith,youknow,becausequitefrankly,itwasjustbigUGGandyoucouldputanenginetogether.
Andjustquick,smalldetour,bearingandsealtechnologyhasalsochangedhugeamounts.
Backintheearlymotors,weliterallyhadjustBABICpouredintoablock.
Theymachineditintheblockandyouassemblethemotor,whichmeantyouhadnoabilitytochangeforwear.
Therewereshimsliterallywhereyouwouldshimthingstotrytomakeitalittlebetterwheretodaywehavebearingtechnologythatjustvastlyuhisamoresuperiorthanwhatthosewereyesandsealtechnologyalsowhichiswhywhenyoutakeanoldmotorandevenfullyrebuiltandyouputayouknowsayyouweretoputa020oilinitanditwasallcorkgasketsandropesealsit'sgoingtoleaklikeawith
thatsaid,uh,aswekindofmakethiscompareandcontrastof,of,youknow,priordays,wehaveheavieroilsthatdoexist.
AndIthinkit'simportantto,youknow,justkindofaddressthatthereisastillforraceapplications,2050.
Um,andthereasonwe're,andI'llkindofexpanduponwhythatmightexist,uh,fordieselapplications,westillhave1540.
Um,and,andbackintheday,andI'mgoingtothrowintothiscategoryforablipontheradar,540and1040.
Andthat'sanoilthat'sbygone.
Youreallydon'tseethatspecificoilstillinutilization.
Again,whatoilmanufacturersweredoingwiththatspecifically,weretryingtocreatealowresistancestartupweight.
Soyouhadanenginethatwasusedlargelyinmaybecoldenvironmentsorwhatever.
Anditthenneededtobesubjecttoaheavydutycycle.
Andsothat'swhyyouwantedtomakeitforgeneralitysticky,right?
Youwantedtomakeitthickbecauseitwasinaheavydutyenvironment.
ThereasonthatA,wedon'tusesomeofthoseoilsagain.
AndIguessmaybeI'llgototheraceweightandthedieselweight.
Wedostillusethose.
Theyhavechanged.
Weusethemnotinourdailydriversasmuchasweoncedid.
Weusethemmoreinspecializedapplications.
Andit'simportant,though,becauseitkindofgoeshandinhand.
Mostofthoseoils,whenyoustillgetthem,aregoingtohaveahigherzinccontent,whichisalubricant.
Thatiswhatourflattappetcamshaftsonouroldervehiclesneedtonothaveflatcams.
Buttheyalsohurtemissionsequipment.
likecatalyticconverters.
Sotheneweroilsasthose,youknow,sadlyit's1970sanduphadcatalyticconverters.
Astheywereremovingthatzincmoreandmoreandmoreandmore,westartedseeingcamfailuresbecauseitdidnothavethatlubrication.
Sonowwe,whenyougotoastreetrodoilorahotrodoiloraracingoil,I'mjustmakingthemwait,itwillhavehigherzinccontent.
Andyoucanbuyanadditivesometimes,ormostofthetime,thatalsoaddsthatzincbackintoit.
Nowyoucango.
Thatisnotthecamfailuresthatthe3.6
specifically,Idon'tcarewhatgenreorgenerationof3.6
experiences,thatisnotthecamfailure.
Becausetheyhavearoller.
Correct.
Andit'sadifferenttechnology.
Yes.
Sidebarforthoseofyouwhowanttomakethatassociation.
Forthose350guys,we'vehadrollercamsinthemsincethe90s.
Uh,ButJoeO'Briensaidso.
Jeffisyawning.
Jeff,I'msogladthatourtopicissointeresting.
ScottandIareoverherelikewe'reteenagersagain,meetingforthefirsttime,havingaconversation.
Jeffwantstodie.
Somenewerdieselsareusing5W30perJoe.
Correct,becauseofthetolerances,right?
Andsowekeepshiftinginthatdirection.
Now,here'sthechallengeiswhywe'removingthatwayfortolerancepurposes.
ButB,thereasonyoudon'tseethe540sorthe1040slikeyouoncedidisbecausewhattheydiscoveredwasthatinourmilkshakethatyouhadtoomanyviscousmodifierasfarasacontentoravolumeofitthattheoilwasdepreciatingtoofast.
Breakdown.
Yes,itbrokedownentirelytoofast.
Andsinceviscousmodifierisnotalubricant,itwouldburnoffanddissipatefasterthantheoilitself.
Soifyouareanindividualwhoisexperiencingbaseoilconsumptionandyetit'snotgoinganywhereinyourengine,andthere'sacoupleYouTubevideosorifyou'veworkedwithmeindividually,you'llknowthatyourJeepmightcallfor020andIhavechangedyouto520.
ThatisbecauseI'mintentionallyswitchingwithlessviscousmodifiersothatthereismorelubricatingyouknow,there'smorelubricatingcontentintheoilitself.
TotranslateNeilKnees,thatiscloserorlessofachangefromthestarttothefinish.
Yes.
Becausezeroto20isquiteachange.
Correct.
Five,butnowwe'refivecloserto20.
Andthat'sjustultimatelyallitcomesdowntoiswe'retryingtogiveyoumorelubricantinthere.
Equally,thedetergentsandthemaltsandallthatkindofstuff,we'realwayslookingatifIfIhaveatheoreticalmilkshakecontainerandthat's100partstomakemymilkshake,youcan'thave100partsmilkshakeor100partsjuststandardicecream.
You'regoingtohavesomeflavoringinthere.
You'regoingtohavethecookiecrisps.
You'regoingtohavethosethings.
Andthat'sgoingtotakeupsomeofthevolumeoftheoverallproduct.
Yep.
Whichisreallymorereasonwhysomevehicleshavehadmoreconsumptionissueswithzero20morethanjustalltheringsarebad.
Oh,themotordesignisbad.
No,it'sliterallyusingupthatmodifier.
Especiallyaswe'vegottento,uh,syntheticsandlongevitybetweenoilchanges.
Yep.
Um,youknow,definitelykindofa,a,achallengingpieceforustoaddress,uh,asanautomotive,uh,cultureandhowwe,uh,howweapproachthis.
Iwouldalsosaysyntheticiswhyyoucangolongerbetweenoiloilchangesmoresothantheweightoftheoil.
Right.
Theconventionaloilsimplybrokedownorburntofforwhatever.
Becausesyntheticcanbemadetobethinneranditcanbemanufacturedsothatit'sasmoothermolecule.
Soitactually...
Whichiswhy...
Holdsuplonger.
All020oilissynthetic.
Justprettymuchlyinginthesand.
Yeah.
ThenthelastpieceIwanttohammerhomeontheenginesthemselveswouldbelike,well,Neil,whydon'twejustadd...
Soifyou'retellingmethisisbadandblah,blah,blah,andyoudon'thavethismuchcontent,whydon'tIjustaddsomethinginontopofit?
Well,havingtoomuchoilintheengineisbad.
Justlikeyoushouldnotfillyourdifferentialuptotheverytippytop.
That'swhythefillholeisn'tonthetopofthedifferential.
That'swhyit'satapredeterminedpositiononthediffcover.
Marvel'smysteryoil.
Whatishethrowingout?
He'sgoingwheremybrainwasalreadygoing.
Justlikeearlydaysofmedicalforus,whenthingswerealittlebitvague,youhadlotsofthingsthatwouldcomeupand,oh,thisoilorthatcastoroil.
Youweresayingaboutaddingstufftotheoil,andthat'swhatmademethinkofit.
Oh,yeah,yeah,yeah.
YougotMarvell's,youhadLucas,youhad...
Marvell's.
Yeah.
Marvell.
Marvellwashowtheyactuallypronouncedit,butMarvell.
Oh,mygosh.
It'safreakingWillisconversationagain.
It'saWillisconversation.
Anyway,andwhereyougetintothisisyou'llhave,well,mygrandpausedMarvell'soil,andsoI'mgoingtouseMarvell's.
100%.
Marvell's,Lucas.
ButIhavenoideawhat'sactuallyinit.
Seafoam.
Yep.
Andspoileralert,mostofthosethingsareliterallyjustoil.
Justkerosene.
Ahighcontentofit.
That'sanoversimplification,butIgetwhatyou'resaying.
Verymuchso.
AndI'mnottellingyounottousethosethings.
Igottobehonestwithyou.
Theydoworkincertainapplications.
Theygetthesludgeout.
Yeah.
ThelastpiecethatIwanttohammerhomeonthatoverfilling,whichiswhywewouldn'twanttodoit.
GailBanksdoesagreatinstructionalpiecespecificallyarounddifferentialsandoverfillingthem.
theincreasedpressure,heat,frictionthatexists.
Yourmadscientistmoment,theonlytimeit'sallowedtooverfilliswhenyouhaveanAMCV8andit'safivequartcapacity.
You'regoingtorunoutofoilbecausewehadaproblemwithouroilsystemsandyoushouldputsixinit.
Andstaywithinthat.
ButIhaveabsolutelyaddressedkindoftheaveragepopulationbeinglike,well,iffiveisgood,thenwhyisn'tsevenbetter?
ThereisapointintimewhereWeoverflowthefishtankandtheyfallout,right?
Well,andthenthere'salsotheoptiontoupgradeyourfilter.
AndwedohavetheXLfiltersinsomeapplications.
Whichyouthencanaddtothat.
Andthatisanotherthing.
Andexternaloilcoolersandincreasedcapacity.
Whenyouincreasecapacity,youhavetoincreasetheoilorelseyou'reactually...
Andpeopledon'talwaysthinkofthattogether.
Yes.
AndIloveit.
Iloveexternaloilcoolersandoversizedfilters.
Anytimeyou...
youcancreatevolume.
Youcreatebetterdutycycle,um,regardless.
Soallisgood.
Bigthingisfrictionmodifiersaren'tnecessarilybad.
Um,that'sjustmekindofinajokinglyway,tryingtohammerhomewhattheydoandwhytheydoit.
Um,butlet'sgobacktotheMarvell'sandalltheotherfunlittleadditives.
IknowthatoneofthethingsIheardyousaywasthatitwasincreasedthecleaningofthem.
Uh,quitefrankly,Iknowanumberofpeople,theoldfarmer'strickofthrowingsomeautomatictransmissionfluidintotheirengineoil.
I'vetoldmanypeoplethat,andtheylookatmelikeI'mcrazy.
Ithaslubricantinit,whichkerosenekindofdoesn't.
Ithasahighdetergent,soitcleans.
I'vesaidthisforever,butgoworkonyourMacktruckthathasgot400,000milesonitandgetasgreasyaspossible.
Takesomeautomatictransmissionfluid,putitonyourhands,becauseyou'realreadycontentwhattheheckandgolikethisandyourhandswillberedbutcleanyesthatiswhattransmissionfluiddoesandbecauseofthatuhbecauseofthathighrefinementthebaseoilandautomatictransmissionfluidisprettymuchgoodnomatterifyougotocoastalyougotowalmartyougotothedollargeneraldoesn'tmatterit'stheadditivesthatmakeitspecialyeahandoldtransmissionskind
ofdon'tcareuhasidefromSomeFordsarealittlepickyonclutchtypeandmanufacturer.
Soyouneedacertainadditivetohelpthatnotshudderorbite.
That'sreallywhatthelikeFAandtypeFoilswere.
ButyoucanliterallyputtypeFinyourChryslerproductorinyourGMproduct.
AndalotofourracingoilsliterallyjusthavetypeFclutchmaterialadditivesinthemtohelpthemlockupbetter.
Butyournewervehicles,again,smallerpassages,moreelectronics,theywanttoseespecificthingsatspecifictimes,theywanttoseeatemperatureatacertaintime.
That'swhenyoureallyneedtousethespecificfluidthattheysaytheuse.
Andasweprogressintogeneral,youknow,Petroesquebasedcomponentry,becauseIhadthisconversationwithacustomerovertheweekendwithamanualtransmissionandaspecificmanualtransmissionhasaspecificfluidwithaproductwhohasabyproductinitcalledit'sasynchromeshanditisthethisspecific
productisbetteratlubricatingthesynchrosintheMercedesbasedsix-speed.
Soenter2004-ishTJthroughtheJKmodel.
Andagain,backintheoldendayswhenwejusthadstraight-cutgearsandyoujustbangedthemuntilyoufoundthemkindofscenarios,youhadbrasssynchros.
Thosedon'tcarewhatoil'sinthereaslongasit'slubricatingit.
Soyoucanuseaheavy80-90weightoil,andit'sperfectlycontent.
Nowyougointoanewertransmission,andthebestexampleforthatisaT5.
Theywereusedforsolong,theyactuallywereusedbothways.
Youhadoneswithbrasssynchrosthatusedgearoil,andyouusedonesthathadfibersynchros,whicharebasicallyanautomatictransmissionclutch,andthatneedsautomatictransmissionfluid.
Thatiswhythesixspeedsandsomeofthenewertransmissionsneedthespecialoil.
It'smoreforthesynchros,thanforanythingelse.
Andafunfactasanextensionofthat,theAX15,whichwesawinprevalentutilizationthroughthelate80sintotheearliest2000s,actuallyrunsengineoil.
Andifyouweretocrossthe,youknow,ifyouweretocrosstheapprovedChryslerMoparnumbers,itbasicallycomesoutasa530.
Andsomyrecommendationisalwaystogetasclosetoaconventional530,oratleastitusedtobe.
Idon'tknowhowvalidthatisanymore.
Andagain,anX15isaderivativeofaToyotatransmission.
IfyougoandlookupToyotaspec,it'snotmotoroil.
Thatdoesn'tmeanithasthesamecomponentsinside.
Correct.
Theywerespecificallymadeforthemodelitwasgoneinto.
Andsothebigissuewaswehadindividuals,folkswhowerefromthatoldstraightcutdayandtheyjustknewthatputgearoilinthemandtheywouldshovegearoilinthetransmissionanditseeminglyworkedokayforthem.
Andthenwehadindividualswhowerelike,well,ifATFisgoodinthistransmission,thenitshouldbegoodintheAX15.
AndIabsolutelywilltellyouthatIdidafluidchangeonmyAX15andIputATFinitandthatthingshiftedLike,uh,no,terrible,terrible.
Itwasterrible.
Itactually,um,gotstuckingear.
Iwould,itwouldget,itdidnothavethesufficientlubricity,um,thatyourstandardengineoildid.
Anditwasnot,Ihadtodrainitoutagain.
Now,afterIhadcleaneditwiththeATFandthenputengineoilinit,itwasbetter.
Nowitwasbutter,right?
And,um,butthatwasayoungNeil,youknow,tryingtofollowtheearlydaysoftheinternetandreading.
And,andatthattimeonlytherewasaChryslernumberand,youknow,youweresupposedtogotothedealershipandbuythefluid.
AndIthought,wow,thatseemsunnecessary.
Letmescrewthisup.
Youknow,IhadaTfive,uh,inmyownershipthatIranmotoroilininsteadoftransmissionfluid.
CauseitwasleakinglikeabrokenfishtankandIcouldnotkeeptheoilinit.
So,uh,Iwenttoaheavierweightoilbeingmotoroil.
oilandwhenitwasdeadcoldwheniwasinappropriatelytryingtodrivemycararoundhalloweenicoulditwasveryhardtoshiftuntilthetransmissionwaswarmwithautomatictransmissionfluiditdidn'tmatterwhattemperatureitwasicouldgothroughitthegearseasilyandithinkthatthatisthechallengeisthatwithadegreeforthegeneralconsumertheyhavecertainlytheoldervehiclesitmatteredlessyeahrightitwasjustbiggerclearancesitwaseasiereasier
toshiftyour,youknow,morejunkkindof,ofshiftingwheretoday,yes,amultitudeofoilswillwork,buttheengineershavegoneinandbeenlike,okay,wellatnegative10,howdoesitshiftwiththatoil?
Okay.
At115plus,howdoesitshift?
Andwe'vegottofindanoilthatworksthebestinbothsituationswherewegoalongandwe'relike,oh,we,weknowbest.
Weknowmorethantheengineerandwestartdoingthat.
Well,nowwe'renotusingtheoilthat'sbestfortheusagerange.
Thebroadspectrumutilizationofthatcomponent.
Andbecauseofthat,someonethat'sinSouthernCaliforniacouldhavealittlebitdifferentofanoilexpectationthansomeoneinMaine.
I'mgoingtointerruptbecauseweareattheendoftheepisode.
Andmyquestionis,didyougetthroughallthethings?
No,Ifailed.
Ifailed.
Ifailedthem.
Isaidwewouldn'tgetthroughIknewitIfailedourlisteningaudienceIknewthatandasyoubeforeyougotinonitIlookedupatthetimeandIsaidyouknowwhatI'mjustgoingtohavetoownmyindiscretionitiswhatitiswe'vegotmoreadditiveswedidn'tevengetintomolybondandthatproductwehaven'tgotintosyntheticsinanydegreewedidn'tgetintoengineknockandwhattheadditivesallegedlydidforthatorthepotentialjusttherootfailureofthe3.6
youknowcomponentsandobviouslytalkedaboutthatandwhatourexperiencehasbeenwithroutineoilchangesandhowoftenshouldyouactuallychangeyouroilsothatwillallbethingsthatyoulookforwardtonextweekbecauseIwon'tshutupandgottoojazzeduponviscousmodifiersandmilkshakesandasRobMorganhassaidIhopethatallofyougooutandhaveamilkshaketodayandyouthinkaboutnotanoilmilkshakewellandnotanoilmilkshakeasJeffreyteasedwe'lltalkaboutthatnextweekaswellsomebodyshouldbenoting
allthethingsthatIsaidwe'regoingtotalkaboutnextweek.
Jeffrey,that'sonyou.
GoodthingDaveygoesbackandlistenstotheseepisodes.
ButIhopeyougooutandbuyamilkshakethisweekandyouthinkofusandstraightwhiteoilandDrake'sWellandallthoseothergoodiesthatwesharedwithyou.
Wow.
We'vegotJeepstobuildanddowehaveafullslateofthem?
Andifyou'reinterestedinknowingwhat'sgoingon,Jeffhasbeenoffforthelastyearandahalffromworkandleftusentirelyupagainstthewallandthingsdidn'tgetdonethatwere100%Jeff'sfaultsothat'swhywemighthaveaTuesdayupdateonFridayforthosefollowingalongsoifyou'reinterestedinknowingwhatJeepsareworkingonandhowwe'reprogressingthroughthosesinceJeffisbackgamefullyemployed
fromhisyearoffweshouldhaveaTuesdayupdateweshouldhaveaTuesdayAndifwedon't,we'regoingtogivehimsomuchgrief.
Wewillnextweek.
Untilnexttime,Jeepon.
Jeepon.
Jeepon.
Iwasagoodyearoff,I'mjustsaying.
It'sverybusy.
Ididn'trealizeitwasawholeyear.
It'saveryappropriatetransition.
Lastweek,Jeffwaslike,hey,how'syourbuildingcoming?
Iwaslike,well,Jeff,myconcreteguyhasbeenoffforayearandahalf.
What?
AndIdon'tknowwhattheheckI'mdoingwithconcrete.
AndIdon'tknowhowtobuildabuilding.
Sowhenismyconcreteguyavailable?
Jeff'stheconcreteguy.
ThenIwaslike,hmm.
Iheardthathe'dbeavailableonSunday.
Yeah.
TowhichIgottheresponseofitwouldhavetobeafter3.30.
Yeah.
BecauseIhadalreadypacked40poundsofcrapintomyweekend.
Yes.
IntrueSFJfashion.
Wedon'tknowhownotto.
Yes.
soIendeduprunninghometogetpreparedsojustmessageheycanIcomeoveryetandI'mlikeIthoughtyou'dbeherebynowrightItotallywastalkingaboutJefftheBuilderthisweekendaswelltalkingaboutsomeofourownprojectsinternalandIwaslikeJeff'sbeenoffsomuchhehasn'tbeenabletodolikecustomerserviceIdidn'tshowupat3.30
thoughbecausehisexactmessageIshouldbehomeabout3.30
tomorrowbeingvery...
Listen,firstofall,hewasbeingverygeneral.
I'mwithyou.
Two,ourpowerofresponsivityconversationwehadontheAmericanHustlethismorningwasnotconfirming.
Itwasnotaffirmative.
Andthat'swhyIsaid,letmeknowwhenIshouldheadover.
He'slike,I'malreadygettingready.
I'mlike,oh,well,I'llheadover.
Yep.
Yep.
AsItoldhim,itwasgoingtobeheckorhighwatersincemyconcreteguywasavailable.
Iwasaforesightintoexistence.
ButthenhethensomehowtransitionedintomygeneralconversationUh,yeah.
Andshowedmewherealltheprevioussubshavegonewrong.
Hahaha!
There'sonlybeenonesubcontractoractuallynotinvolvedoutofus.
Andthefactthatinmyownhousebuild,I'malwaysblamingthepreviousguywhoworkedonit,whichisjustmeandthehelpofahandfulofgoodcustomerswhohavetakenpityuponme.
Therewasmultiplerealizationsandsomepivotsthathadtobehad.
Theconcreteworkdidnotgetdone.
Oh,areyoukiddingme?
Moreinterpretations,non-affirming,becauseIdon'tknowwhattheheckI'mdoing.
Listen,itwassobadthathewentandgothiswife,andAmycomesout,andhe'slike,Iwantedhertoseewhatwe'redealingwith,too.
No!
Yeah,shewentinthehouse.
How'sitgoing?
Bad.
Sorry,folks,ifIjustblewyoureardrumoutonthat.
Thatwasaspittake,asfarasI'mconcerned.
Whyisitbad?
YoujustgottocomeoutandhearitfromJeff.
He'sbreakingmyheart,justlikehedoesatwork.
Therearebadnews.
That'sacrappypeptalk,Jeff.
Butwewereabletofindawaytoresolveit.
Andinsteadofhavingtore-dig,Idon'tknow,14holes,weonlyhavetodotwo.
Andluckily,Iboughtabackhoeaccidentally.
Whatisgoingon?
Whatishappening?
Basically,asyouprogressivelymeasure,andyourealizethattheprintsaysonthissideofthepostversusthatsideofthepost,andyoustartaddingupthisfailuresofmeasurementsandthenyouhavetheguydiggingtheholeinterpretingyourlittleflagandyouthinkiliterallysaidthismistakenlywellwhenyougota24inchholeyougotlotsofwheatsoabsolutelyiheardyoutalkaboutyouknowthat'saprettybigbullseyetolandonyeah
youknowwhat'snotabigbullseyeiguess24inchholesonceyougetfromonesidetotheotherbecauseyougowellwe'restillokaybutwe'rekindoveroffthesideofthewindowpane.
Andnowthisoneactuallyinthemiddleofthosetwoholes.
Itgetsbetterbecausethisis,we'remeasuringtheholesandbecauseitrained,therewasalotofwashout.
Sotheholesweren'tfivefootdeepanymore.
OhGod,ohGod.
Sotherewasoneoftheinsideholesthatwasactuallyfivefootdeep.
Isaid,let'sstarttherebecausewedon'thavetodoanydigging.
Hegoes,it'sgoingtobedifficulttogettheequipmentinthere.
AndI'mlike,why?
Youhavetwogaragedoorsyou'resupposedtohavetwogaragedoorspots.
Thoseholesaren'tfarenoughapart.
No.
Andthat'swhenwewentinandgotthetapemeasure.
Andthat'swhenthepanicstarted.
That'swhenwegotthetapemeasureoutandstartedmeasuringeverything.
Oh,anditgetsbetter.
You'renotdonelaughing.
Sointhemiddleofallthis.
Iwantyoutoknow,andforthelistenersathome,Ijust,Iempathizewithyousomuchbecauseofmy.
Iwasliterallythinkinglike,Neilisgoingtosobedealingwiththiscrapwhenhegoesthroughthis.
BecausethisisexactlywhatI'mdealingwithwithmyhouse.
Yep.
100%.
Becauseyoudon'tknow.
Butyoudon'tknow.
Butyoudon'tknow.
Yeah.
Sointhemiddleofallthis,wefinallyhavegottenthego-kart,Aiden'sgo-kart,toapointwherehecanuseitandnothaveitbreakthefirstthreetripsaroundtheyard.
Yes.
Andheisexcitedbeyondbelief.
Well,hewasridingitaroundthewholetime.
Sohe'stryingtoputinasmuchseattimeaspossible.
Beforeitsnows.
Iwouldexpectnothingless.
Thiskidhaswaited,Idon'tknow,fiveyearsforthisgo-karttobedone.
SoIhadalreadytoldhim,like,hey,youcan't.
doyournormaltrackbecausenowwe'retryingtoworkuphereandthego-kartmayhavebrakesormaynothavebrakes.
I'mjustgoingtoleavethatloose.
Nah!
Notfornotattemptingtohavebrakes,butyouknow.
Andhewaslike,oh,I'lljustletoffthegas.
It'llbeokay.
That'sfine.
Ijustwaitasecond,firstofall,forcontactforeverybody.
HowmanyJeepsI'vewheeledthatthey'vewatchedfootageof,thatthey'veseenpicturesofthathaveabrake,right?
HowmanyvintagepiecesofcrapwhereI'mthiswayonahillthat'slikethisandIamI'monabreak.
SoIdon'tdiscredityou,butIdon'tknowwhat'sworsebecausesomebodyaskedtoborrowabicycle.
They'redoingawholefourdaytrip.
Theyarestranded.
Theyknowthatmyfamilyhasbicycles.
Somyfamily,uh,somysisteraskedusthebestbicycleforthisparticularindividualwhoneededtoborrow.
Itwasmyson'sbike.
Heridesallthetime,butwehadtolikecontextualize,belike,well,itdoesn'texactlyhavegoodbreaks.
Whatiswrongwithus?
SoatAnyway,nobodyelselivesthisway.
SoItellhim,gooutbackandjustdocircles.
AndIknewhewasgoingtogetboredofthat,buthewasn'tthereyet.
Sofine.
Sowe'retryingtoworkandJeff'scrappinginmyWheatiesandholesaren'tintherightspot.
Nothing'sdeepenough.
AndIhearthwack.
Yep.
AndIlookoverandwhere'sAiden?
Theonlyspotthathecould.
FirmlyplantedinthefrontofmyC10.
Firmlyintoit.
Inthefrontofyourtruck?
Yep.
AndIthought,well,Icouldhandlethistwoways.
Icouldbemyfatherandstartscreaming.
Oh,God.
Andthenhe'llbetraumatizedandwillneverridethego-kartagain.
Oh,God.
Andhe'llneverwanttoseethetruckagain.
OrIcangoupandgivemykidahug.
becauseheismeandgivinghimselfallthegrief.
Oh,yes.
AndIwaslike,sohowbadisit?
Well,IthinkIjustscratchedthebumper.
Okay.
He'slike,I'mgladIhavemyhelmetonbecauseyouknowwhatelsewehaven'tworkedon?
Seatbelts.
Oh,God.
Sohewentflying.
Hewentforward.
Helearnedaboutperpetualmotion.
Yes.
Inertia.
Yes.
Momentum.
Momentum.
Sotruck'sokay.
Whatever.
Scratchedthebumperbefore.
It'snotbent.
HeHelearnedavaluablelessonaboutturnradiusandwearinghishelmet.
Weconsoledhim.
Healsohadtogoinandgetconsoledbyhismother.
Hesaidhe'sdoneridingitforawhilebecauseofthat.
Whichturnedouttobeaboutanhour.
Yep.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Butanyway,Iwaslike,well,he'sbackonthehorse.
That'sgood.
IstartedmymorningofflookingatseatbeltsandhowthehelldoIgetbrakesonago-kart?
Iloveit.
Iloveit.
Whataweekend.
Whataweekend.
Oh,mygosh.
Yeah.
Jeffrey?
Imean,otherthantheshenanigansthereandthethingsthatwedidthatwecan'tsayonairbecauseofOSHA.
Absolutely.
Trustexercises.
Youknowwhat?
Rick'sareallygoodhandrail.
Abackhoe.
Well,yeah.
Oh,withoutquestion.
Soanyways.
Iknowthat100%.
No,Ihadamostlyrelaxingweekend.
Didsomecleanupfromtheeventandwentthroughthetrail.
Well,butyouknowwhatthethingis?
Ouraudiencehasnotheardaboutyourweekendwithyourfestival.
Sowhydon'tyougiveusalittleinsightthere?
SincethatwasLaborDayweekend.
ItwasLaborDayweekend,andwewereoffforLaborDay.
Sowehadatwo-dayeventindowntownEriewhereweshutdownastreet.
AndI'mtalkingwebarricadedbothendsoftheblock.
Soyouhad8thStreetbetweenStateandPeachcompletelybarricadedoff.
YouhadtoenterthroughVoodooBrewingandcomeoutontothestreet.
fromtheirpatio.
Wehadfoodtrucks.
Wehadvendors.
Wehad41differentmusiciansplayingorbands,acts,41differentactstotal.
Soitwasareallyfuntime.
Weendeduppickingwhothewinnerswere.
Wehadthisgreatpanelofjudgesthatdeliberatedforanhourorsotryingtofigureoutwhotheoverallwinnerwasgoingtobebecausethetalentwasjustsoamazing.
ThepartIlovedthemostaboutthewholeeventisnowyouarebigenoughthatyouaregettingtheattentionofallthebusinessowners,goodandbad.
Andjusttocontextualize,you'vetriedtogoinandeducatethebusinessesaffectedbytheeventandthesizeoftheeventandeverythingelse.
Butjustlikeanyhuman,you'rehalfpayingattention,you'rehalflistening,anditgoesinoneearandouttheother.
AndthepartIlovethemostisoneofthemthoughtamusicianwasgoingtoplayonthestreet.
Yep.
Ah.
TheythoughtthattherewasabusinessthatthoughtthatwhenIapproachedthemacoupleweeksagoforthethirdorfourthtimethatwe'vebeentotheirbusinessthatIwasamusiciandroppingoffmycardbecauseI'mgoingtobeplayingonthestreetandwantedthemtoknowIwasgoingtobeplayingonthestreet.
Sohe'sgoingtosetuphisguitarboxandyou'regoingtothrowmoneyinit.
That'sawesome.
That'sactuallyfunny.
Imean,that'sagreatreferencebecausethat'sexactlywhatIwasthinking.
Yep.
Andthat'sliterallywhattheythought.
Ihavenotheardthatstory.
Sowhenheshowedupandshuttheirstreetdown,theyweredismayed,amazed.
Yeah,therewasalotofemotionswiththewaythatweshutdownthestreet.
Butwehadthecity'spermission.
Wedideverythingbythebook.
Wediditallright.
Wedidmakesomechangestotrytoaccommodatethosebusinessesdifferentlythanwhatwestartedwith.
Anditworkedoutforthebest.
Imean,thebestthingIheardofitwasafterallthehubbubofthestageofemotionsandgrievingthattheyhadtonothavetheirstreet.
Onceeverythingwasdone,youhadsuchaprofessionalabilitytoitthatthebusinessesaffectedwerelike,youknow,Iactuallywouldliketobepartofthisnextyear.
Yes.
Excellent.
Wehadfromangertohelping.
Yes.
And,youknow,themediaobviouslywasthere.
Wehadallthelocalstationsshowupandfilmandrecord.
Igotinterviewedbyacouplestations.
Jeanniesaysshewasthere.
Oh,that'scool.
Ididnotseehereither.
I'mnotsurprised.
Wehadalotofpeople.
Wehadabout2,000peoplethroughoutthetwodays.
That'simpressive.
Itwasreallyfun,reallygoodturnout.
Wewouldhavelikedtohaveseenalittlebitmorethanthat,butoverall,weweresatisfied.
Well,andtheparticularcitythatyou'redoingthisindoesalotoffestivals.
Theydoalotofdifferentevents.
LaborDayweekend'satoughweekend.
Yep.
Andit'sgrowing.
Thisisyetthenext...
biggestrendition.
Thiswasthebiggestwe'vedone.
Wetripledoursizeofattendance.
Correct.
Andyou'vekindofcontinuedtoplowbackintoit,thefestival.
AndI'msurethatyouguyswillcontinuetorefineit.
Andeverythingthat'scomingoutofitseemstobeoverwhelminglypositive.
And,youknow,Iobviouslywishyouguysthebestluckgoingforward.
Yeah.
Anditwasverycool.
Imean,needlesstosay,Iwasverytiredforthenextweek.
Andsothisweek,andI'mlike,youknow,what?
I'mnotgoingtodoawholelot.
Tookitkindofeasy.
Iwatchedsomefootball,youknow,thatperfectweek.
Steelersstartedplayingagain.
SoIwaslike,allright,cool.
We'rebacktoNFL.
Itwasthe,uh,thekickoffseat,youknow,kickoffweekend.
Yep.
Yeah.
Sogoodtimethere.
Outstanding.
Outstanding.
Um,forme,I,itwasalotofjust,uh,sharpeningmyax,um,equallytryingtorecentermyselfasafteraverybusy,uh,youknow,kindofsummerkindofassummerwounddownandtheschoolyearstartedup,thatpresentsitsownchallenges.
I'minaseasonoflifewhereit'salotaboutbeingthereformyfamilyatthemoment.
Andofcourse,asoverdoerstendtodo,Ifoundmyselfthrustbackintothesportsballworld.
AndIhavebeenvolunteercoachingforlocalschool.
Whichifyouthinkhe'spassionateaboutoil.
Yeah.
Youknow,asaninternalinsighttohowSFJ4x4works,weoftentimeskindoftalkabouthumansandeachotherasoursixweekinterests,right?
Humansoftentimesfindashinyobjectfigurativelyandwegetreallyinvestedforsixweeks.
AndIthinkit'simportantthatwecontinuetomaintainthat,thathumanscontinuetogetexcitedexcitedaboutthingsthatarenewuhmaybesomethingyou'vepulledoutofyourclosetanoldbookthatwasonthebookshelfamoviethatyouusedtolovethatyouusedtowatchalotthosetypesofthingsithinkwedothesamethingwithuhtractorsoratvsorfestivalsoruhdoingaparticularhomeprojectandwegetreinvigorateditgivesuspurposeyouknowumaslongasjeffdoesn'tcomeover
andtellyouit'sallwrongIhavefoundmyselfthrustbackintoanemotionalrollercoasterofmyownathleticcareer.
Forthosewhomayormaynotbeaware,Iwasaprettydecoratedathleteatonetime.
I'vedoneaprettygoodjobofshovingthatdownintoalittleboxbecauseitdoesn'tmatterwhenyoubecomeanadult.
ButI'vereallybeenenjoyingbeingabletobethereformykidsandmyfamily,um,andseeingthedifferentthingsthattheyareengagingin.
Andsothat'stakensome,some,someinterestortime,uh,orit'skindofsodaseatforme,uh,ofsorts,um,takingsomeofthatasaviscousmodifier,ifyouwill.
Um,butotherwise,uh,wehadlotsof,lotsofathletics,lotsoffamilytime.
Thebigthingis,uh,mywifeasateacher,uh,neededdesperatelytopaintherparkinglot.
Paintherspot.
Paintherspot.
Yes,thespot.
Asacharitablefundraiser,wehadtopayfortheluxury.
Ofcourse,itwas$20,sowhatever.
Ofherabilitytopaintaspot,butcanSimpsonsjustdoalittleMrs.
Simpson?
No.
No,thiswasanall-dayaffairofpaintingaparkingspot.
Iknowitwas.
Withkids.
AndyouknowtheworstpartiswewentintoHomeDepotandyou'llseepicturesofmywifesewingI'mtaggedintothem.
AndIreallydidn'twanttobethatguy.
Iwasalittlebitofasourpuss.
I'llbehonestwithyou.
Oh,youcouldn'ttellwithyourshortyshortson.
IwasinmyhoochiedaddyshortsandIwaspretty,prettygoodmooduntil,until,andwehadagreat,like,ofcourse,becauseagain,wecan'tdoanything,youknow,halfassinanycapacity.
It'sallinornothing.
Allin.
Sowe'vegot,we'vedrawnasmallcrowdattheHomeDepotpaintdeskbecausenowmywifeinher,hermagicalnaturemightaswellbelikespinninganddancingandshowinganypersonwho'swillingtolookherdesignthatshehasconceptualized.
Yes.
Theyall,whichmanypeoplewhentheylookatmylifearelike,you'recrazy.
You'renotactuallygoingtodoit.
Yes,weare.
Butwait,weare.
Sohowmuchglitter?
Sotheymakeaspecialglitterpackages.
Soweboughttwooftheprimarypaintsspecificglitterpackages,whichis,inthegrandschemeoftheworld,alot,apparently.
Yeah.
And,ofcourse,inblatantdelusion,mywifethoughtshewasjustgoingtojustbuylittlesamplepackstodoherpaint.
AndthenI'mlookingatit,andI'mlike,there'snowayintheworldthatthelittlepintsampleisgoingtodothedesignshehad.
Soyouwerebuyingquarts?
Gallons.
Oh!
Didyougetglow-in-the-darkpaint?
Wedidnot.
Oh.
Wedidnot.
Youmissedanopportunity.
Ididmissanopportunity.
Butyouwillseethatweactually–soabigshout-outtoHomeDepot,tobefreakinghonest.
Theyactuallyreducedpricingaskindoflikea–becauseIthinkitwaslikeoneofthosethingswhere–Well,whenyoubuy$1,000worthofpaintforaparkingspace–Wedidn't,fortunately.
Wedidn't.
$500?
Wedidn't.
I'mnotdisclosing.
ButIwillsaythatactuallyHomeDepotcameoutinabigwayandreducedstuffforus.
Ididn'tbecausetheyreduceditsomuch.
Thereyougo.
Hashtagnotsponsored.
Butalsobecauseyouwillseeapictureonmywife'swhereIamcoveredinblackpaintbecauseasIwenttocheckout,Iheldthecourtcantotakeashotthiswayandthecourtcanexplodedovertheirself-checkoutbecauseinthethroesofmywifedancingaround,sewinghermagictoallthepeople.
Theyforgottosealthatcan.
Theyforgottosealthatonecan.
SoasIpulleditoutofthecardboardboxthattheyhadsonicelyprovidedus.
AndIwenttoshootit.
Itspilledallovermyhand,thecheckoutregister,soonandsoforth.
AndsoIjuststoodtherecontemplatinglifeonceagain,going,whatdidIgetmyselfinto?
Towhichacase,anothersmallcrowdgatheredasIjustkindofstoodtherestaringatthiscandrippingallovermyhand,spilledacrossthefloor.
Didyourhoochieshortsgetanyblackpaintonthem?
Oraretheynearmiss?
Firstofall,hoochiedaddyshorts.
Andno,IkeptmyshortsandmyCrocsclean,whichwas100%mywife'sthinggoing,well,atleastyourshortsandshoesdidn'tgetanypaintonthembecauseshecanfindsilverlininginanymoment.
Untilnexttime,folks,Jeepon.
Jeepon.
Jeepon.
Wedid.
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