About this episode
Wet weather turns into a paint-protection chat, then the conversation zooms out to affordability and why ācheapā cars can get expensive fast. Gas prices and fuel economy drive a commuting cost break-even debate, with the Ford Raptor and a possible GTI/EV used as foils. The āoverhypedā theme expands into reliability stories, supercar hype vs reality, and even two-step/launch-control techāplus off-road practicality in the Jeep vs Bronco argument.
OVERHYPED! No, not us, we're pretty self aware. It's why we cry in the shower. In this episode we're talking about overrated cars. Not cars we hate, but cars we actually love, but still think are overrated like the Vector W8, the Jaguar XJ220, the Jeep Wrangler, and several classic cars. Are they bad cars? Not at all, and we want all of them in our garages, but the comprises these cars come with or came with are pretty hard to ignore. What's on your list?
On the life side of things, Nick and Kate picked up a new car, and weāve gotta give another shoutout to our friends at Carter Subaru for hooking that up. Nick also spent some time in the new S5 this week, which is fully wrapped in STEK, so at least itās surviving this absolute mess of weatherāsun, rain, pollen, and whatever else the trees feel like throwing at it.The Avants Podcast is brought to you by our friends at STEK USA and Carter Seattle!
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paint protection
"āIt's a good time to take care of your paint⦠this constant pollen dust, stuff debris flying around. That stuff is rough. Like we've talked about it before.ā"
Theyāre talking about protecting a carās paint from things in the air. The claim is that pollen and dust can act like tiny sand particles and wear the paint down if you donāt protect it.
The segment discusses paint protection as a way to prevent surface damage from environmental contaminants. They specifically compare winter to pollen/dust/debris, arguing that these particles can behave like abrasive grit on the clear coat.
S-Tec
"āS-Tec for the win. If you haven't done that yet, we'll talk more about that.ā ... āThe Audi stayed safe and warm in here, but it's covered in S-Tec.ā"
Theyāre talking about S-Tec as a product that protects the carās paint. The idea is that it makes the paint less likely to get damaged by dirty stuff blowing around, like pollen and grit.
S-Tec is being referenced as a protective coating/finish product applied to the Audi. In this context, itās meant to keep the paint from getting damaged by things like pollen, dust, and debris that act like abrasive grit.
last car you could buy for under $20,000 is no longer on the market
"āBut the last car that you could buy for under $20,000 is no longer on the market. Sad.ā"
Theyāre talking about car prices and how itās harder to find a car that costs under $20,000. Itās part of the episodeās bigger point about value and hype.
This is a discussion topic about used/new car pricing and affordabilityāspecifically that the āunder $20,000ā segment has effectively disappeared. It sets up the episodeās broader theme of cars being overhyped or overpriced.
Nissan Versa
"[125.5s] Versa. I think it hit, it was starting, it was a starting price of like $12,500. Nissan just killed the model."
The Nissan Versa is a low-cost, basic car model. The hosts mention it because it was one of the cheaper options before Nissan stopped selling that model.
The Nissan Versa is a budget-friendly subcompact sedan known for being one of the cheaper new cars you can buy. In this segment, itās used as an example of a low starting price model that Nissan later discontinued.
Hyundai Venue
"[130.8s] killed the model. What other cars were out there was like the Hyundai Venue, the Hyundai Venue and [138.0s] then the Kia Forte, but both of those are either have been raised above or discontinued."
The Hyundai Venue is a small, inexpensive SUV-style car. The discussion uses it as an example of a budget option that isnāt as cheap as it used to be.
The Hyundai Venue is a small subcompact crossover/SUV thatās typically positioned as an affordable city car. Here itās mentioned as one of the low-cost options that has been raised in price or discontinued.
Kia Forte
"[138.0s] then the Kia Forte, but both of those are either have been raised above or discontinued. So I mean, [146.1s] the idea, and I hate to say that $20,000 is a lot of money."
The Kia Forte is a regular-sized, affordable sedan. The hosts mention it because itās part of the lineup of cheaper cars that are no longer as accessible.
The Kia Forte is a compact sedan thatās often marketed as a value alternative to pricier mainstream cars. In this segment itās grouped with other budget models that have been discontinued or priced out of the ācheap commuterā category.
EV
"[187.0s] So people were talking about just, you know, getting a cheap, a commuter vehicle or an EV, [193.0s] both great options. You know, if you can find a good cheap EV or a cheap used car, [197.7s] now's a great time to be considering that considering gas prices don't look gonna come down anytime soon."
EV means electric vehicle. Instead of using gasoline, it runs on electricity stored in a battery, which can help when gas prices are high.
EV stands for electric vehicle, meaning the car is powered by an electric motor using electricity stored in a battery. The hosts mention EVs as an alternative to gas cars when fuel prices are high, especially for commuters.
incentives to buying
"[208.2s] if the vehicle you have now, if, if you have only one vehicle and you want to replace your primary vehicle, we're having a different discussion because there's always good incentive to buying, [219.0s] you know, buying a cheap car and with good mileage."
āIncentivesā means deals that lower the price of buying a car. The host is saying those discounts can make it easier to justify switching to a cheaper car.
āIncentivesā here refers to financial offers that reduce the effective cost of buying a car, such as rebates, discounts, or promotional financing. The host argues that these incentives can make buying a cheaper vehicle make sense even when fuel costs are a concern.
fuel efficiency
"[231.1s] I have one of the least fuel efficient vehicles, I have three of the least fuel efficient vehicles you can possibly buy. My F-150 Raptor is my daily driver, if you can call it that, [239.8s] but I don't drive it that often."
Fuel efficiency describes how much fuel a vehicle uses to travel a given distance (often discussed as miles per gallon). The host contrasts fuel-efficient ācommuterā choices with fuel-hungry trucks to explain why gas prices change what people consider a good deal.
commuter
"If I was going to go purchase, just say like, oh, I'm going to go get a cheap commuter to go to and from work with."
A commuter car is the one you use for everyday tripsāespecially going to work and back. The big idea is that you want it to be dependable and not too expensive to keep running.
A commuter is a vehicle used primarily for regular trips like driving to and from work. Because commuting is repetitive and time-based, people often prioritize predictable running costs, reliability, and maintenance history.
Volkswagen Gti
"...r to go to and from work with. Yeah, picking up a GTI or something like that. Yeah, I looked at like th..."
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car thatās often used for commuting and everyday errands. The podcast talks about it as a normal option for getting to work, and then mentions a GTI as a sportier choice. Itās basically the āeverydayā starting point in their discussion.
The Volkswagen Golf is a compact hatchback known for being versatile and practical for commuting and everyday use. The podcast mentions it in the context of getting to and from work and then references a GTI as a more performance-oriented version. That makes the Golf a baseline example of a common, usable car in the conversation.
maintenance
"Well, you'd have to get into maintenance. If I'm looking for something like reliable, new ish, I'm looking probably 10 to 12."
In car talk, maintenance means scheduled upkeep and repairs needed to keep a vehicle running properly over time. For used commuting cars, the key point is that ācheapā can become costly if maintenance needs are high or if service history is unclear.
Toyota Corolla
"...n just get it in drive. I feel like you can get a Corolla or Civic for, if you can get one that's been well..."
A Toyota Corolla is a small car made for daily driving. People like it because itās usually dependable and not too expensive to maintain. The podcast brings it up as a good option if you can find one that was cared for.
The Toyota Corolla is a compact, everyday car known for being practical and easy to live with. It often comes up in conversations about finding a reliable used vehicle thatās affordable to run. In the podcast, itās mentioned alongside the idea of getting into a dependable car āin driveā if itās been well kept.
sticker
"Because usually it says it on the sticker. Yeah. And I mean, and I thought with the bigger trucks, it was somewhere between five to eight."
The āstickerā is the official label on a car that shows things like estimated fuel costs. Theyāre saying you can usually find the estimated yearly fuel expense right on that label.
The āstickerā refers to the vehicleās official fuel-economy information label (commonly shown on new-car window stickers). It often includes an estimate of annual fuel cost, which is why the host says itās āusuallyā printed there.
miles per gallon
"or 16 miles per gallon. So 16 miles a gallon. Let's say you're doing a thousand miles a month"
Miles per gallon (MPG) tells you how far a car can go using one gallon of gas. Higher MPG usually means cheaper fuel for the same distance.
Miles per gallon (MPG) is a fuel-economy measure that tells you how many miles a vehicle can travel on one gallon of fuel. The segment uses MPG to estimate monthly fuel costs and compare ownership scenarios across different vehicles.
Ford F-150
"Yeah. That's not driving the F-150. Right. That's a high mileage. Yeah."
The Ford F-150 is a big pickup truck. Here itās mentioned as the āregularā truck example, compared against a more expensive high-mileage situation.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck, and itās being used here as the baseline for ānormalā driving costs versus a high-mileage scenario. In this segment, the host contrasts the F-150 with the much higher-mileage assumptions used to estimate ownership costs.
Ford Raptor R
"Yeah. That's a high mileage. Yeah. So and they say an average of $5,400. That's for the Raptor R. Yeah. So still. So yeah, so I would have to own the vehicle outright for two years and not put any miles on the Raptor to offset the cost of the vehicle."
The Ford Raptor R is a more hardcore, performance version of the F-150. The discussion is basically about whether itās āworth itā financially if you donāt drive it much.
The Ford Raptor R is a performance-focused version of the F-150 pickup line, aimed at off-road capability with a higher purchase price. The segment uses it to illustrate how high fuel costs and high-mileage assumptions can make ownership math look expensive unless you limit miles and/or buy it outright.
transmission work
"It needed a trans, it still needs, it might need some transmission work down the line, things like that, but I could have driven it for a couple of years as is."
Transmission work means fixing or servicing the carās gearbox. Itās important because itās what helps the car shift and send power to the wheels.
Transmission work refers to repairs or service on the transmission, the drivetrain component that manages how engine power is delivered to the wheels. In this segment, the speaker suggests the GTI deal was good, but it might still need transmission repairs later.
DSG
"picked up a nice DS, DSG GTI that would have worked just fine for commuting and, you know,"
DSG is a transmission design that changes gears very quickly. It uses two clutches so the next gear is ready ahead of time.
DSG stands for āDirect-Shift Gearbox,ā Volkswagenās dual-clutch transmission. It uses two clutches to pre-select the next gear, which is why it can shift faster than a traditional automatic.
Waymo
"eight grand. That would have been worth it to me in the end. And it'd be fun to have a little car like that. But it really was just a commuter. So as everybody's saying, Oh, you got to buy a cheaper car, you got to buy a cheaper car. That doesn't make a lot of sense for a lot of people when you do the math. Well, the cheaper the car, the more the maintenance, so the less cheap of the car,"
Waymo is a company that runs self-driving cars. Theyāre talking about a recall because of a problem that happened when a car was caught in a flood.
Waymo is an autonomous-driving company that operates robotaxis. The segment mentions a recall tied to flood damage, illustrating how real-world safety incidents can affect fleets and operations.
vehicle recall
"Waymo's kind of out right now, because they're recalling all their cars, because one of them drove into a flood. And so the national traffic safety said, you know, why don't you bring all those back and fix that?"
A recall means certain vehicles have to be taken back to be checked and fixed. Itās usually done because of a safety problem that could affect many cars.
A vehicle recall is when regulators and/or the manufacturer require affected vehicles to be brought back for inspection and repair. The segment frames it as a fleet-wide action, showing how safety rules can force operational changes beyond a simple software fix.
Morgan Six Plus
"...ss than $10,000, but that's a lot of gas, even at six plus a gallon, that's a lot of gas. Well, we're in the..."
The Morgan Plus Six is a sports car made for driving for fun. The podcast brings it up because it can use a lot of fuel, which affects how expensive it is to keep. Theyāre discussing it in terms of cost versus enjoyment.
The Morgan Plus Six is a modern British sports car that blends classic styling with a performance-focused driving experience. In the podcast, itās mentioned alongside concerns about fuel costs, suggesting theyāre weighing its running expenses against its appeal. It comes up as a niche, enthusiast-oriented option rather than a mainstream commuter.
2023 Forester Sport
"Thanks to our friends at Carter Automotive, Kate and I have talked about a long time. She's got a 2023 Forester Sport. We love it. It's got 54,000 miles on it."
The Subaru Forester is a family-friendly crossover thatās built to handle everyday driving and bad weather. āSportā is a higher trim level, usually meaning it comes with extra features compared to the basic model.
The Subaru Forester is a compact crossover known for practical all-weather usability and a comfortable, upright driving position. The āSportā trim adds more driver-focused features compared with base versions, while the 2023 model is part of the current-generation Forester lineup.
Forester Hybrid
"... what would happen? She really loves the new 2026 Forester Hybrid. And her Forester is kind of what we drive becaus..."
The Subaru Forester is an SUV thatās meant for everyday driving and family use. The podcast mentions a hybrid version and says they drive a Forester themselves. That suggests itās a practical vehicle they rely on regularly.
The Forester is a Subaru crossover SUV known for practical space and capability for everyday life. The podcast specifically mentions a ā2026 Forester Hybridā and notes that the speakerās current Forester is what they drive, indicating itās a personal, current-use vehicle. Itās discussed as a real-world choice rather than a performance or niche sports car.
leasing
"And so we ended up, we're actually going to lease it for now. But we, and they of course didn't have one on the lot, but they found one for me because this is what I have to say this, and I've said it before, this is why I started being a customer of Carter Automotive."
Leasing is like renting a car for a few years with a contract. You usually pay less per month than buying, but you have limits (like how many miles you can drive) and you return the car at the end.
Leasing is a way to drive a car without buying it outright: you pay for the carās use over a set term, and you typically return it at the end. For many shoppers, leasing can lower monthly payments, but it comes with mileage limits and end-of-lease charges.
hybrid system
"We looked at it and we went, okay, the new range on that is 581 miles or something with the hybrid system. It actually gets better gas mileage in the city than it does on the freeway, but which is fine."
A hybrid system is the parts that let the car use gas and electricity together. The car decides when to use each one to help you get better fuel economy.
A hybrid system is the combined setup of the engine, electric motor(s), battery, and control electronics that work together to move the car. Depending on conditions, it can run on the engine, the electric motor, or both to improve efficiency.
gas mileage
"It actually gets better gas mileage in the city than it does on the freeway, but which is fine. But that's going to be our community car."
āGas mileageā means how far the car can go on a gallon of gas. City driving can be different from highway driving because you stop and start more often.
āGas mileageā is a shorthand for how efficiently a vehicle uses fuel, typically measured as miles per gallon (MPG). City driving often produces different results than highway driving because stop-and-go traffic changes how often the engine and hybrid components are working.
lease
"I'd got a 15,000 mile lease because I thought it was smart case if we want to really take it somewhere, then it's great."
A lease is like renting a car for a fixed time. You usually have limits on how many miles you can drive before extra charges.
A lease is a contract where you pay to use a car for a set period, rather than buying it outright. The monthly cost is influenced by expected depreciation and mileage limits, which is why the speaker mentions a specific mileage allowance.
octane
"I can go to, to regular and let it on those. Yeah, I have found myself just putting an 87 every once in a while... You can run 87 or 91 in the F 150 Raptor or the Bronco Raptor... If you have the Ford performance soon, obviously have to go with the... you have to go 91."
Octane is basically the āquality gradeā of gas. Higher octane helps prevent engine knocking, and some high-performance engines are happier with higher grades.
Octane is a fuel rating that indicates how resistant gasoline is to knocking (premature combustion). Higher-octane fuel can be required when an engine is tuned for more aggressive timing or higher performance modes; using lower octane when the engine expects higher can reduce performance or trigger protective engine behavior.
Ford Bronco
"You can run 87 or 91 in the F 150 Raptor or the Bronco Raptor. And it's just fine."
The Bronco Raptor is Fordās off-road version of the Bronco. Theyāre using it as another example of what gas you can use (octane) and when you might want the higher grade.
The Bronco Raptor is Fordās off-road performance SUV, built to handle rough terrain with upgraded suspension and powertrain calibration. In this segment, itās mentioned alongside the F-150 Raptor to discuss octane flexibility (87 vs 91) and when higher octane is beneficial.
carbon
"I was just cleaning out the carbon officer. I blame the direct injection."
Here, ācarbonā means gunk/soot that can build up in the engine from burning fuel. Some driving or engine conditions can help reduce it.
In this context, ācarbonā refers to soot and combustion deposits that can build up inside the engine. People often try to āclean it outā by driving styles or engine conditions that increase combustion heat and help burn off some deposits.
direct injection
"I was just cleaning out the carbon officer. I blame the direct injection."
Direct injection is a way of delivering fuel straight into the engineās cylinders. It can affect how much carbon buildup happens, which is why it comes up when people talk about cleaning the engine.
Direct injection is a fuel-delivery system where gasoline is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber instead of into the intake tract. It can change how deposits form and how the engine behaves, which is why someone might blame it for carbon buildup in the context of ācleaning it out.ā
two-step
"Somebody was, it was with a drag car and they had a two step on it. ... Two step is basically, I mean, there's two step as you know it and two step as it functions."
A ātwo-stepā is a drag-racing trick that helps the car rev to a set RPM before you launch. You hold the car still, press the gas, and it keeps the engine at a controlled speed so the start is more consistent.
A ātwo-stepā is a launch-control feature used on many drag cars. It lets the driver set a lower RPM āred lineā for the engine to rev at while the car is held (usually by the brake), helping the car launch with more consistent traction and timing.
launch control
"Two step is basically you have two red lines. It's launch control. That's what it's primarily used for is you have a lower red line."
Launch control is an electronic system that manages engine RPM and sometimes shift behavior to optimize the start from a standstill. In the context of two-step, it uses inputs like engine/air conditions and the tune to decide what RPM the car should hold for the launch.
red line
"advantage going over that. You don't need to dump all that power and shock your drivetrain ... at a full red line. ... We're going to blow your clutch out ... if you launch it full red."
The āred lineā is the engineās maximum recommended RPM range. Revving to or beyond it increases the chance of traction loss (spinning tires) and can also stress components like the clutch and drivetrain during hard launches.
clutch
"Yeah, or it'll spin bearings. Exactly. We're going to blow your clutch out or God knows what else if you launch it full red."
The clutch is what lets a manual car transfer power from the engine to the gearbox. If you launch it too aggressivelyāespecially at very high revsāyou can wear it out or damage it quickly.
The clutch is the friction device that connects the engine to the transmission in a manual car. The hosts warn that launching at extreme RPM can overheat or mechanically overload the clutch, leading to premature failure.
Honda Civic
"Yeah, kick down the street in the Honda Civic. Launching it at red line is not a good idea."
Theyāre using the Honda Civic as an example of a normal car people might try to launch hard. The point is that revving it to the red line and launching can damage parts or just waste traction.
The Honda Civic is being used here as an example of a front-line, everyday car that some owners may try to launch aggressively. The hosts warn that launching at the rev limiter/red line can cause driveline stress and poor results.
retarding timing
"Usually in a normal factory two step tune, it's retarding timing. It's rolling. Yeah. So you're not dumping all that extra fuel out."
Retarding timing means the engineās spark happens a bit later than usual. The hosts say thatās part of how a more ānormalā two step reduces the harshness and avoids dumping extra fuel.
āRetarding timingā means the ECU commands the spark to happen later than normal. In a typical factory-style two step, cutting spark (and sometimes fuel) reduces combustion intensity to limit stress and prevent excessive fuel dumping.
cutting spark and fuel
"So you're not dumping all that extra fuel out. What fun is that?"
This means the carās computer stops (or reduces) the spark and/or fuel so the engine doesnāt burn as much. Thatās used to control what happens during a two step instead of making big flames.
āCutting spark and fuelā describes ECU strategies that reduce or stop combustion by withholding ignition (spark) and/or fuel delivery. The hosts contrast this with aftermarket approaches that keep dumping fuel to create more flames/pops.
full throttle shifting
"we're going to talk about full throttle shifting and how some cars with manuals can do full throttle shifting ... You don't lift. Oh, okay. You just hold it floored."
Full throttle shifting means you shift gears without easing off the gas. Some cars can do it because their drivetrain/engine control helps manage the torque during the shift.
āFull throttle shiftingā refers to changing gears while keeping the throttle fully open, rather than lifting to unload the drivetrain. On some manual cars, the engine/transmission control strategy allows this by managing torque so the shift is still smooth enough to do repeatedly.
Ford Mustang
"... other cars. And it is a really cool feature that Mustangs too, actually, I think. That's part, I don't have..."
The Ford Mustang is a performance car thatās known for being fun and stylish. The podcast mentions it because it has a feature that makes it feel especially exciting when you drive it. Theyāre pointing out that Mustangs can do that too.
The Ford Mustang is a long-running American muscle and pony car known for its style and performance options. Itās often discussed for features that make it feel exciting to drive, including how it handles acceleration and driver inputs. The podcast calls out Mustangs as having a āreally cool featureā similar to what they were describing for other cars.
quick shifter
"that's a part of that software on my bike, that quick shifter. Oh, yeah, yeah."
A quick shifter helps you change gears faster. It briefly changes how the engine delivers power so the shift feels smoother and quicker.
A quick shifter is a device/software feature that helps you shift gears faster by briefly cutting or reducing engine power during the shift. On motorcycles itās often used to make upshifts feel seamless and reduce the time the drivetrain is unloaded.
fully electric hypercar, supercar
"Lotus has decided not to go forward with their fully electric hypercar, supercar."
This means a very high-end performance car that runs only on electricity. The hosts are saying itās a big change from what that brand is known for.
A fully electric hypercar/supercar is an ultra-high-performance car that uses only electric motors for propulsion, not a gasoline engine. The hosts are framing this as a major strategic shift for a brand associated with lightweight, driver-focused dynamics.
V8 hybrid
"They're putting a V8. ... V8 hybrid. V8 hybrid."
A V8 hybrid is a car that has a big V8 engine plus an electric motor. The electric system helps the car move and can also help with efficiency.
A V8 hybrid combines a V8 gasoline engine with an electric motor/generator system to assist propulsion and/or recapture energy. The point in this conversation is that the hybridization is being used to keep performance while adding electrical assistance.
naturally aspirated
"No, you need to have a naturally aspirated V8 that says two middle fingers..."
Naturally aspirated means the engine doesnāt use a turbo or supercharger to force extra air in. It relies on normal engine breathing, which many people think feels more direct.
Naturally aspirated means the engine draws air in without forced induction like a turbocharger or supercharger. Enthusiasts often prefer it for the throttle response and linear power delivery, which is part of why the host is arguing for a naturally aspirated V8.
supercharged
"give that thing like, oh, I don't know, a supercharged V6."
A supercharged engine uses a device that squeezes extra air into the engine. That extra air can help the engine make more power.
Supercharged refers to forced induction using a supercharger, which compresses incoming air before it enters the engine. More compressed air allows more fuel to be burned, typically increasing power compared with a non-forced-induction setup.
Mazda Miatas
"are a newer driver and you haven't had the opportunity to go back and drive fun, lightweight cars with power and don't be wrong. Miata's are fun and all that. They're great cars to drive, but if you have a lightweight car with a lot of power, it's a riot. Lotus, Arial Adam, KTM"
The Miata (MX-5) is a small two-seat roadster made to be fun to drive. Itās lighter than many cars, which helps it feel quick and responsive. The podcast is highlighting it as a great ādriverās carā for someone who wants that kind of enjoyment.
The Mazda MX-5, commonly called the Miata, is a lightweight roadster designed to be fun and easy to drive. Itās frequently mentioned for its balance and engaging feel rather than raw power. The podcast frames it as a āfun, lightweightā car thatās great for drivers who want that kind of driving experience.
X-Bow Crossbow
"...lot of power, it's a riot. Lotus, Arial Adam, KTM Crossbow, if you can get your hands on it. Yeah. Arial Ada..."
The X-Bow is a small, performance-focused vehicle designed to feel exciting when you drive it. The podcast groups it with other cars that are made for fun rather than everyday comfort. Theyāre talking about how it can be a āriotā to drive.
The X-Bow is a track-leaning, lightweight-style vehicle associated with the idea of a āriotā due to its high-performance feel. In the podcast, itās mentioned alongside other small, performance-focused names, emphasizing the excitement of driving something thatās not meant to be a typical car. It comes up as an example of a special, hands-on driving machine.
Shelby Cobras
"Shelby, Shelby Cobras, anything in the nineties with a supercharger added to it because it won't have the factory, but lightweight, you know, high power cars."
Shelby Cobras are lightweight, V8-powered sports cars. The point here is that you can make them faster with a supercharger while still keeping the car light.
Shelby Cobras are American sports cars built by Carroll Shelby, usually based on a lightweight roadster chassis paired with a powerful V8. In the 1990s context, the key idea is that adding a supercharger can boost output without relying on modern āhigh horsepowerā numbersāmore about keeping weight down and power usable.
supercharger
"Shelby, Shelby Cobras, anything in the nineties with a supercharger added to it because it won't have the factory, but lightweight, you know, high power cars."
A supercharger is a forced-induction device that uses an engine-driven compressor to push more air into the engine. More air enables more fuel to be burned, which can raise power outputāespecially useful when you want strong performance without relying on very large displacement or modern āhuge horsepowerā figures.
Honda S2000
"...he weight of the car to less horsepower you need. S2000. Oh, here you go. There you go. 240 horsepower, n..."
The Honda S2000 is a sports car designed to be fun, especially when you drive it enthusiastically. Itās known for revving high and feeling responsive. The podcast is pointing out that it can feel quick even with a moderate horsepower number because the car is light.
The Honda S2000 is a lightweight, high-revving sports car known for how it delivers power and how engaging it feels to drive. The podcast highlights the idea of āless horsepower you needā thanks to the carās weight and driving character, and it references its around-240 horsepower figure. Itās discussed as an example of performance that comes from balance, not just big numbers.
Lotus Esprit
"Lotus really shined is they had a bunch of honestly pretty unreliable cars, especially with the Esprit, everything else like that. But every but was the Esprit the one had the suspension issue?"
The Lotus Esprit is a mid-engine British sports car best known for its distinctive styling and, in some versions, a V8 that can be a bit āsketchyā compared to more straightforward Lotus models. In this segment, the hosts connect the Esprit to a reputation for reliability quirks while still praising it as a great-sounding, iconic car.
Lotus Elise
"But every but was the Esprit the one had the suspension issue? Oh, no, that was the Elise. Elise."
The Lotus Elise is a lightweight, agile sports car thatās often praised for handling. In this segment, the hosts clarify that the suspension issue they were thinking of belongs to the Eliseānot the Espritāhighlighting how different Lotus models can have different common problem areas.
V8
"go into that market of a V8 supercar slash hypercar... being hybrid and a V8... not a V10."
A V8 is a gas engine with eight cylinders. More cylinders usually means smoother, stronger accelerationāat least in the way these engines are designed.
A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a āVā shape. Itās a common performance configuration because it can deliver strong torque and smooth power delivery, which is why the hosts keep returning to the idea of a V8 R8.
all wheel drive
"if they make it all wheel drive, which they probably will, being hybrid and a V8,"
All-wheel drive means power goes to all four wheels. That can help the car grip the road better, especially when accelerating hard or on slippery surfaces.
All-wheel drive (AWD) sends power to both the front and rear axles. In high-power carsāespecially hybridsāit can improve traction and stability, which matters for how the car launches and corners.
mid-engine
"like it'll probably be knowing Lotus, it'll be mid-engine V8 hybrid, front-wheel drive hybrid."
Mid-engine means the engine is placed closer to the middle of the car. That can help the car feel more balanced when turning.
A mid-engine layout places the engine near the center of the car, typically behind the driver but ahead of the rear axle. That positioning helps balance weight distribution, which often improves steering response and cornering feel.
V10
"Yeah, I dare say the word entry-level supercar... Yeah, anyway, I guess... not a V10."
A V10 is a bigger engine with ten cylinders. Theyāre basically saying theyād rather not go with that kind of engine and would prefer a V8 instead.
A V10 is an engine with ten cylinders arranged in a V configuration. The hosts contrast V10s with V8s, implying they prefer a smaller-displacement setup (especially with a manual) for cost and driving feel.
manual
"give me a lightweight, like you said, V8 manual R8. Yeah. Yes, please."
A manual transmission means you shift gears yourself with a clutch. Some drivers like it because it feels more connected and gives you more control.
A manual transmission requires the driver to select gears using a clutch pedal and gear lever. Enthusiasts often prefer manuals because they offer more direct control over engine speed and gear choice, especially in a performance car.
front wheel drive
"then realized it's a Chevy Corsica mass produced front wheel drive and I wanted to live coasting back to 80 a cruise."
Front-wheel drive means the front wheels do the work of moving the car. The host is basically saying the Corsica is a normal commuter setup, not something built for dangerous high-speed driving.
Front-wheel drive (FWD) means the engine sends power to the front wheels, which affects traction and how the car behaves under hard acceleration and high-speed stability. The host uses it to characterize the Corsica as a mass-produced commuter car rather than a platform intended for extreme-speed runs.
Ford Edge
"...cort or something like that. That's living on the edge. Doing that in a car that is a corporate car is n..."
The Ford Edge is a family-sized SUV thatās meant for normal daily driving. In the podcast, itās mentioned as a more typical, practical vehicle rather than something built for wild performance. Theyāre using it as a comparison point.
The Ford Edge is a mid-size crossover SUV built for everyday practicality with a more comfortable ride than a smaller car. The podcast references it in a ācorporate carā context, implying itās not typically the kind of vehicle people associate with extreme driving. Itās brought up as a contrast to more performance-focused or adventurous cars.
braking zone
"So in the opposite train of thought, you can slow [1752.0s] down really easy going up that big hill or your accelerator easy going down that big hill. Yeah. [1757.4s] Choose your braking zone."
A ābraking zoneā is just the part of the road where you plan to slow down. Itās about choosing where to brake so you can control your speed safely.
A ābraking zoneā is the stretch of road where a driver decides to slow downāoften chosen based on visibility, grade, and how much speed you need to carry. The host uses it in a driving/road-planning sense, contrasting easy speed control going up or down a hill.
top speed run
"The most thrilling top speed run because that I don't think you get one of those fast. If you dropped it off a cliff, which many were so downhill helps in these situations."
A top speed run is when someone tries to drive a car as fast as it can over a long, controlled stretch of road. The carās shape and gearing matter a lot.
A top speed run is an event where a car is driven to its maximum speed over a measured stretch. Results depend heavily on aerodynamics, gearing, tire grip, and how much the road helps (for example, downhill).
downhill helps in these situations
"If you dropped it off a cliff, which many were so downhill helps in these situations."
Going downhill makes it easier for a car to reach higher speeds because gravity helps it keep accelerating. That can make a ātop speedā result less about the car alone and more about the road too.
Downhill grading reduces the effective load the engine has to overcome, so the car can reach higher speeds with less resistance. Thatās why top-speed attempts often emphasize long, smooth stretches and elevation changes.
rear end of the car melted
"And it got so hot because it. Oh yeah, the rear bumper, the rear, the whole rear end of the car melted. I think it ran 217 miles an hour for a few minutes."
If the rear end melts, it means the car got way too hot for its parts to handle. At very high speeds, airflow can heat things up dramatically, especially around the rear bodywork.
When a carās rear end āmeltsā during a high-speed run, it usually points to extreme aerodynamic heating and/or inadequate cooling and airflow management. At very high speeds, heat buildup can damage plastic trim, bumpers, and other components not designed for sustained airflow temperatures.
Porsche 911
"Maybe you went, uh, the Porsche 911. I'm just, I'm just totally kidding."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car from Porsche. Itās so well-known that even people who love it sometimes joke that itās āoverrated.ā
The Porsche 911 is a rear-engine sports car that became an icon for its handling balance and long-running design. In this episode, itās mentioned as a joking answer to the āmost overrated carā question, reflecting how the 911ās hype can divide opinions.
Toyota Paseo
"Um, boy, the Toyota Paseo. Um, it can be anything."
The Toyota Paseo is a small Toyota coupe. The hosts are basically saying it might be a car that gets more hype than it deserves.
The Toyota Paseo is a small, sporty two-door coupe sold in limited markets, best known for being a budget-friendly ācool-lookingā Toyota. Here itās tossed out as a possible overrated car, implying it didnāt live up to expectations.
Jaguar XJ220
"One of the ones on my list is the Jaguar XJ220. Oh yeah. That didn't do 220."
The Jaguar XJ220 is a famous supercar from the 1990s. The discussion suggests it didnāt quite deliver what people expected from its name.
The Jaguar XJ220 is a supercar built to chase 1990s-era performance hype, with a reputation for being one of the most dramatic āhaloā cars of its time. The episode frames it as overrated by pointing out that it didnāt meet the ā220ā expectation people associated with it.
W8 Vector W8
"...o, actually, not the Aztec. Um, that would be the Vector W8. Oh, I think it, okay. Engineering wise is one of..."
The Vector W8 is a very unusual, rare performance car. The podcast brings it up because it has interesting engineering details. Itās not a common car youād see every day.
The āVector W8ā refers to a specific, rare high-performance vehicle, and the podcast is discussing it in an engineering context. Because itās not a mainstream car, it tends to come up when people talk about unusual designs and technical details. In the episode, itās mentioned as part of a list of cars with distinctive engineering stories.
three-speed transmission
"It has a three speed transmission out of a Buick Torino or something grand something. This guy's some three speed transmission in it."
A three-speed transmission means the car only has three forward gears. That can make it harder to keep the engine working efficiently, especially in a high-performance car.
A three-speed transmission has only three forward gear ratios, which can limit how well the engine stays in its best power band across different speeds. For a supercar like the Vector W8, the host argues that using a three-speed setup contributed to poor performance and test failures.
Ford Torino
"... It has a three speed transmission out of a Buick Torino or something grand something. This guy's some thr..."
The Ford Torino is an older American car model. The podcast is talking about its transmission, specifically a three-speed setup. Theyāre using it to discuss how certain older cars were built.
The Ford Torino is a classic American car thatās often discussed in the context of older transmissions and drivetrain setups. The podcast mentions a āthree speed transmissionā and connects it to a Buick Torino, suggesting theyāre talking about historical or shared components. Itās included as part of a technical or trivia-style conversation.
Ferrari 288 GTO
"The Qantas, the F40, the 288 GTO is actually my favorite of the era, just because [...] if you made the perfect 308, you end up with the 288 GTO."
The Ferrari 288 GTO is a legendary 1980s Ferrari supercar. The host is saying itās their favorite from that time period because it feels like the best version of that style of car.
The Ferrari 288 GTO is a 1980s Ferrari built for high-performance road use with a strong racing pedigree. The speaker links it to the idea of an idealized āperfect 308,ā highlighting how the 288 GTO is viewed as the most satisfying expression of that design/era.
Ferrari F40
"The Qantas, the F40, the 288 GTO is actually my favorite of the era, just because [...] But the Qantas, funny how that works."
The Ferrari F40 is a famous, hardcore supercar from the late 1980s. People bring it up because itās known for being intense and driver-focused, not comfortable or easy.
The Ferrari F40 is a late-1980s supercar built around a raw, race-inspired philosophy: lightweight construction, minimal comfort features, and a focus on driver feel. Itās often used as a benchmark when people talk about whether an āiconā car actually delivers on the hype.
Ferrari 308
"I think it's like the, you know, if you made the perfect 308, you end up with the 288 GTO."
The Ferrari 308 is an older, iconic Ferrari that people still talk about today. Here, itās used as a reference point for what the speaker thinks the 288 GTO represents.
The Ferrari 308 is a classic mid-engine Ferrari from the 1970s/1980s era, and itās often referenced as a design and driving benchmark. In this segment, the speaker uses it as a comparison point to explain why the 288 GTO feels like the āperfectā evolution of that idea.
pedal box
"The pedal boxes [...] makes it makes an Esprit pedal box look big. And off to the right."
The pedal box is the space and mounting area where the gas and brake pedals sit. If itās designed tightly, it can make the pedals feel cramped and uncomfortable to reach.
A pedal box is the structural area in the footwell where the accelerator, brake, and clutch pedals are mounted and packaged. In tight supercar cockpits, the pedal box design can make it hard to fit comfortablyāespecially for drivers with longer legs or different proportions.
Chevrolet Corvette C7
"Like I don't fit well in a lot of cars. My C7 Corvette, for example, my head is right at the roof."
The Corvette C7 is a newer generation of the Corvette. The host mentions it to explain that even in a performance car, their height doesnāt fit the cabin comfortably.
The Chevrolet Corvette C7 is the seventh-generation Corvette, known for being a modern, performance-focused American sports car with a more usable daily-driver layout than earlier generations. The speaker uses it as a fitment exampleāsaying their head is close to the roofāso listeners can understand how cockpit ergonomics vary by body size.
Lamborghini Huracan Spider
"I wish I had a photo the first time we put you in a Huracan Spider."
The HuracĆ”n Spider is a Lamborghini supercar with the roof open. The host brings it up to show that even expensive exotics can be awkward to sit in if you donāt fit the seating position.
The Lamborghini HuracĆ”n Spider is a mid-engine Lamborghini with a convertible (open-top) configuration. The speaker references it specifically for ergonomicsāsaying they were positioned so their head was near the windshield areaāhighlighting how even exotic cars can be uncomfortable for certain body proportions.
Lamborghini Huracan
"...wish I had a photo the first time we put you in a Huracan Spider. Right. That would be like, I'm looking ov..."
The Lamborghini HuracĆ”n is a very high-performance sports car. The podcast mentions the āHuracĆ”n Spider,ā which is the open-top version. Theyāre using it as an example of a car that feels special and exciting to drive.
The Lamborghini HuracĆ”n is a high-performance supercar known for dramatic acceleration and a driver-focused feel. In the podcast, itās referenced in the context of āputting you in a Huracan Spider,ā linking it to the open-top āSpiderā variant. Itās brought up as a memorable, exciting experience compared to other cars discussed.
Audi R8
"Yeah. Yeah, we should do that sometime. Yeah. I don't fit in the R8 for the record. Like I just don't, it's not a car I would buy because I don't fit in it, even though I love it."
The Audi R8 is a supercar that many people find more usable than other exotics. The host says it still didnāt work for them because they donāt fit comfortably in the cabin.
The Audi R8 is a mid-engine supercar thatās known for its everyday usability compared with more extreme exotics. The speaker says they donāt fit in it well, so they wouldnāt buy it despite loving the carāan example of how cockpit ergonomics can outweigh brand/model appeal.
1998 Accord
"you'd be like, man, I really wish I was driving a 98 Accord right now because you'd have the same performance."
The speaker uses a ā1998 Accordā as a benchmark to illustrate how much faster modern cars feel compared to many vintage cars. Itās a comparison about real-world performance expectations rather than a deep dive into the Accord itself.
Ford Granada
"Like my 79 Ford Granada, I miss a bench seat. There was just something about being able to put your arm up like, you know, shifted on the tree."
The Ford Granada is being referenced as an example of a late-70s American car with a big, old-school interior feel. The speaker specifically mentions the bench seat and āshifted on the tree,ā highlighting how older carsā seating and shifter layouts shaped the driving experience.
resto mods
"If you've driven just a stock one, I think they're all better as resto mods. Yeah, they had no power."
āResto modsā are restomodded carsāclassic vehicles that are restored cosmetically but updated with modern mechanicals or performance upgrades. The speakerās point is that many stock 1960s/70s cars feel weak, so enthusiasts often improve them to make them more enjoyable to drive today.
Dodge Charger
"like 69 Dodge Charger or the, the General Lee is what I'm talking about or smoking the Bannet car, smoking the Bannet car is gutless."
The speaker references a 1969 Dodge Charger to illustrate how some famous muscle cars can feel āgutlessā when theyāre completely stock. The discussion is about the gap between the carās reputation and what it feels like without performance upgrades.
Chevrolet SSR
"I want to say the Chevy SSR just to make Brian mad because I think that is one of the ugliest, most overrated pieces of,"
The Chevy SSR is a weird, niche vehicle that mixes a pickup look with a roadster-style roof. The host thinks it was overrated and not everyone liked it.
The Chevrolet SSR is a niche American pickup-style roadster with a distinctive retractable roof concept. The host brings it up as an example of an āoverratedā and polarizing vehicle that people even disliked when it was new.
Jeep Wrangler
"Oh here's the one. A stock Jeep Wrangler. No, any stock Jeep Wrangler. Does exist?"
The Jeep Wrangler is an off-road-focused SUV. The hosts are saying even a stock one can handle trails well.
The Jeep Wrangler is a purpose-built off-road SUV known for its rugged 4x4 hardware and trail-focused design. In this segment, itās used as the baseline example of a Jeep that can be strong even without modifications.
off road
"Jeeps are about as good as you can get off road today. If you want nothing but an off road vehicle..."
Off road means driving on rough, unpaved surfaces. Itās harder on the car, so traction and suspension matter a lot.
āOff roadā refers to driving on unpaved or uneven terrain where traction, suspension travel, and ground clearance matter more than on-road grip. The discussion ties off-road capability to specific drivetrain and chassis features.
solid front axle
"Solid front axle, better articulation, lockers front and rear."
A solid front axle connects the front wheels with a single rigid bar. Off-road, it helps the tires stay in contact with the ground when the terrain gets bumpy.
A solid front axle is a suspension design where the left and right wheels are connected by a rigid axle. Itās valued off-road because it can maintain wheel contact over bumps and helps the vehicle articulate (move the wheels independently) when obstacles hit.
lockers front and rear
"Solid front axle, better articulation, lockers front and rear. This is off the showroom floor we're talking."
Lockers are devices that keep the wheels on an axle from spinning at different speeds. That helps when one tire is slipping, so the vehicle can keep moving.
Lockers are differential mechanisms that can lock the left and right wheels together so they rotate at the same speed. Having lockers on both front and rear axles helps prevent wheel spin when one tire loses traction, which is crucial for serious off-road crawling.
articulation
"Solid front axle, better articulation, lockers front and rear."
Articulation is how well the suspension lets each wheel move over bumps. Better articulation helps the tires keep grip on uneven ground.
Articulation is how much a vehicleās suspension can move so each wheel can follow the terrain. More articulation generally improves traction on uneven ground because the tires can stay planted when one side rises or falls.
Factory 35 inch tires
"Factory 35 inch tires. Just if you want to go anywhere vehicle..."
Bigger tires can help the car climb over rocks and ruts more easily. If they come from the factory, the Jeep is ready for off-road without extra shopping.
Tire size matters off-road because larger tires can roll over obstacles more easily and provide more ground clearance. āFactory 35 inch tiresā implies the vehicle is already set up with big, off-road-oriented rubber rather than needing aftermarket upgrades.
37s
"I still don't think even the Bronco with 37s is going to get you more places..."
ā37sā means tires that are about 37 inches tall. Bigger tires can help off-road, but they can also make the setup more complicated.
ā37sā is shorthand for 37-inch tires, a common off-road enthusiast way to describe tire diameter. Larger tires can improve obstacle clearance and traction, but they also increase gearing and fitment challenges.
Hemi 392
"I still don't think even the Bronco with 37s is going to get you more places than if you were in the market for a Hemi 392 Jeep."
āHemi 392ā is a specific V8 engine from Chrysler. People like it because itās known for making strong power.
āHemi 392ā refers to a Chrysler HEMI V8 engine family, with ā392ā indicating the engineās displacement in cubic inches. Itās commonly associated with strong performance because the HEMI cylinder-head design supports efficient airflow.
Wrangler 392 Jeep
"... places than if you were in the market for a Hemi 392 Jeep. I think that is the single best off road vehicle..."
The Wrangler is an off-road SUV designed to handle rough roads and trails. The podcast is saying itās one of the best choices if you want a vehicle that can go off-road. They bring it up while comparing it to other types of vehicles people might consider.
The Wrangler is a Jeep off-road SUV known for its rugged design and strong capability on trails. The podcast calls it out as the āsingle best off road vehicle,ā especially in the context of comparing it to other performance-oriented options. Itās discussed as a go-anywhere choice when off-road ability is the priority.
death wobble
"The death wobble is a thing I've had everybody know has experienced it or lied that they haven't experienced it."
āDeath wobbleā is when a 4x4 starts violently shaking the steering wheel and front end. Itās usually caused by suspension or steering parts that arenāt tight or aligned correctly.
āDeath wobbleā is a severe steering/suspension vibration that can shake a vehicle at certain speeds, often associated with worn components or alignment/suspension issues on solid-axle 4x4s. The host treats it as a known Jeep problem and claims many people have experienced it.
soft top
"They are so terrible on the road. They leak still from the factory with any soft top, even the hard top scheduling."
A soft top is the fabric roof on some SUVs. The host is saying those roofs can leak water.
A soft top is a fabric roof used on some open-air SUVs, typically with removable panels. The host says leaks can happen āwith any soft top,ā implying sealing and water-management issues.
hard top
"They leak still from the factory with any soft top, even the hard top scheduling. The Bronco does too, to be fair."
A hard top is the solid, rigid roof on some SUVs. The host is saying it can still have issues like leaks or poor fit.
A hard top is a rigid roof panel (usually metal or composite) used instead of a fabric roof. The host mentions āhard topā in the context of leaks and fitment, suggesting even the rigid roof versions can have sealing or panel-fit problems.
panel gaps
"But there's panel gaps are terrible. The reliability is now terrible outside of the 392, oddly enough..."
Panel gaps are the lines of space between parts of the carās body. The host thinks the gaps look poorly made, which can sometimes go along with leaks.
Panel gaps are the visible spacing between body panels (like doors, fenders, and roof sections). The host criticizes the Bronco/Jeepās panel gaps as āterrible,ā implying poor fit and finish that can also correlate with sealing and water intrusion concerns.
rock crawling
"if you're looking to build like the ultimate off road vehicle and you want to go crawling specifically crawling, rock crawling, you want to put some power down, go buy a Jeep..."
Rock crawling is off-roading where you go very slowly and try to climb over rocks. The host says if thatās what you want to do, a Jeep can make senseāafter upgrades.
Rock crawling is a slow-speed off-road discipline where vehicles climb over rocks and uneven terrain with minimal wheel spin. The host frames it as a specific use case where you might buy a Jeep, then modify it heavily to put power down effectively.
axles
"you'll end up swapping the axles out anyway for super duty axles or something else..."
Axles are what connect the engineās power to the wheels. The host says people often replace them with stronger ones for serious off-roading.
Axles are the shafts that transmit torque from the drivetrain to the wheels, and theyāre also central to how a 4x4ās suspension and gearing behave. The host says people end up swapping axles for āsuper duty axlesā or similar parts to better handle crawling and power delivery.
Curry
"you'll end up swapping the axles out anyway for super duty axles or something else or you're going to call up Curry or one of those other companies..."
The host mentions āCurryā as a place/company people contact to upgrade parts for off-roading. Itās an example of the aftermarket support behind these builds.
āCurryā is referenced as a company the host would call for off-road axle or drivetrain-related upgrades. In this context, itās part of the aftermarket ecosystem people use to build a trail-focused Jeep.
aftermarket
"you'll end up swapping the axles out anyway for super duty axles or something else or you're going to call up Curry or one of those other companies and spend as much as your credit card can limit at..."
Aftermarket parts are upgrades made by other companies, not the carās original maker. The host is saying serious off-road builds usually require buying these upgrades.
Aftermarket refers to parts and services made by companies other than the original vehicle manufacturer. The host implies that to build an āultimate off-roadā Jeep, youāll likely buy aftermarket components and pay for specialized upgrades.
driving with doors removed
"Like, no, first of all, there's no privacy. Yeah. And second of all, it's less protection. It's one less piece of protection if something happens. I just wouldn't."
Taking the doors off makes the ride more open, but it also means less protection in a crash and more dust/debris getting in. The hosts are basically saying itās fun, but there are real safety tradeoffs.
Removing the doors changes how the vehicle protects occupants. Without doors, you lose some crash protection and also reduce privacy, and the open cabin can make it easier for debris and dust to reach youāespecially in off-road environments.
Toyota Supra
"...s. I could have said something like the Mark four Supra or the E 30 Oh, what else is there? Oh, you're go..."
The Toyota Supra is a sports car made for speed and performance. The podcast mentions it while talking about different versions of the car. Theyāre using it as an example of a well-known performance model.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car known for strong performance and a reputation that keeps it in the spotlight among enthusiasts. In the podcast, itās referenced in the context of specific model names and generations, suggesting theyāre discussing what makes certain Supras notable. It comes up as part of a comparison or list of performance cars people talk about.
BMW E30
"it on a video. They're like, that's an overhyped vehicle. And I was like, huh, there's a question. I didn't even troll you guys. I could have said something like the Mark four Supra or the E 30 Oh, what else is there? Oh, you're gonna, we're gonna get hate. Just say nine 11 to Corvette nine"
The BMW 3 Series is a mid-size sedan thatās meant to feel more sporty than a basic family car. In the podcast, theyāre questioning whether it lives up to its reputation. Itās mentioned as a car people talk about a lot.
The BMW 3 Series is a compact luxury sedan known for a sporty driving feel and a wide range of configurations. The podcast mentions it in the context of an āoverhypedā vehicle question, indicating theyāre discussing whether the reputation matches real-world experience. Itās brought up as part of a broader conversation about what people expect from certain cars.
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