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This week on that car show, it seems

to be all about Ryan and the cars he's driven,

but I promise you it definitely isn't.

He talked about one particular car.

What was the phrase you used, Ryan?

Or is he?

Sublime?

It was sublime.

Sublime.

Which car?

He called sublime.

He also talked about driving a Diablo, a car that dreams

are made of.

We talked about the comparisons to the Gemara Qua video.

Apparently, not sublime, though, sorry.

Not sublime.

That wasn't sublime one.

We also gave the team a challenge,

and it's all about what was peak Porsche.

If you go back in time, what year would you go to?

So listen to our answers on that.

We talk a little bit about how the automotive journalist world

feels like they've been done wrong by the fact

that GM are doing away with Apple CarPlay.

Is it such a big deal?

I don't know.

NSX is coming back.

We talked a little bit about that.

And then finally, plans for SEMA, Land Rover shows,

and driving more exotics.

All that and a whole lot more on this week's That Car Show.

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Welcome to this week's episode of That Car Show,

and it's another crew show.

Hey, gang, how you doing?

Hey, hey.

Great, how are you?

Good, good.

I'm going to apologize to our audience straight away,

because I feel like we're going to be living vicariously

through Ryan for this episode.

He's been up to all sorts of great stuff,

and I feel very jealous.

But before we do that, I wanted

to talk about the new Subaru Concepts that have just

come out.

So it's the Japanese Auto Show this week,

and they released a couple of Concepts.

But in particular, have you guys seen the STIB?

Yes, and it looked a bit familiar.

It looked very familiar.

The first thing is they've done it wrong.

They've done the launch wrong.

So it looks like they've chosen World Rally Blue

as the color, and we all know that with World Rally Blue

you have to have gold wheels.

True.

The other thing, if you look at that.

Oh, look at that.

No gold wheels.

It's a miss, Subaru.

Come on.

Have you learned nothing over the last 25 years

of having the STI, WRX, and all that sort of good stuff?

A lot of vape smoke inhaled in anger today.

That's right.

Well, that's the opposite of, what do they say,

simplify your life by making decisions once?

Like, that decision was made a long time ago?

We all support it?

Like, why are we mixing it up?

It's no brainer.

The car actually looks, I don't know about you guys,

but especially from the back, it

looks like the Honda Civic Type R took a GR Corolla out

on a day after they'd met on Tinder.

They went to a cheap hotel, put on some Barry White,

and the love child was the B concept STI.

Because I can see bits of both cars.

Yeah.

Right.

Very distinctly.

Yeah.

Particularly from the back, yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting.

It does say, I think on one of the stickers,

it does say it's going to be a boxer engine.

Oh.

So I did wonder whether they were going

to share engines with other manufacturers

that they may have shares in.

Interesting.

Well, it's a concept.

So at this point, it's pie in the sky.

Yeah.

It does look good.

I mean, it really, I mean, it's a good-looking thing.

It looks futuristic.

Yeah, absolutely.

The seats look amazing.

Yeah, the seats.

Yeah, and it was a manual, which is great.

That's always good.

I mean, they're sticking with it.

Got to appreciate that, right?

They are saying that it's very close to production

in terms of the actual product.

So let's keep our fingers crossed.

Let's hope they get some gold paint in the factory.

And we spoke to the-

And they say it's the metallics are the best ones to Huff.

Just saying.

What does that mean?

I don't know.

It sounded really good.

I grew up watching cops.

And it was always a metallic paint, right?

Yeah.

Covering the faces of the elbows.

Yeah, you got those amazing,

well, this was before social media,

but talk about a picture that would have been made,

or an image that would have been made for social media.

Just the metallic.

Did you see those in the beginning?

There's your ad, right there.

Yeah.

Gold.

Drop the paint, Pam.

Get yourself some gold paint.

Go for a drive.

But I think, for me, that's a yes.

Make it and people will buy it.

100%.

I guess the nearest thing that we have to that

in real life right now is the GR Corolla.

We've talked about that quite a few episodes.

But Ryan, seeing is believing, and you've finally

been able to get behind the wheel.

Is that right?

It's over there somewhere.

Yeah, thank you, Toyota.

I think I'm the last car journalist in the country

to drive the thing.

But I wanted to drive the 25 before the 26 came out.

And I'd heard such wonderful things.

But the other thing is everyone

to know that bought one sold it within a year or two.

With the exception of the Porsche.

Guilty.

Yeah, yeah.

But you wouldn't have a handful of friends

who did that exact same thing.

And so I figured, well, this must be flawed in some way.

It must not be this perfect thing I had read about.

But I've got to say, so I took delivery of this thing.

I guess it was Monday.

And the Toyota people rolled up.

And this one's in this beautiful dark gray, which

would probably be the color I would go for.

It's a good looking thing.

It's got the boxed fenders.

It looks good.

It looks the part.

And I drove it around a bit for the first day or two

and just really wasn't blown away.

It's a pokey thing around town.

It's a single turbo.

And like any single turbo, it can

be a little on-off around the city.

And didn't think a whole lot about it rides a little flinty.

And then I took it to the canyons.

And it's just sublime.

So it's all-wheel drive.

It's this single turbo.

It's a manual.

It's 300 horsepower, 295 pound-feet of torque.

Most of you listening know all this.

But there's something about that recipe that just

comes together so well.

It's light on its feet.

It's just when you're in the canyons,

you stay in that power band.

You're always up above 4,000 or whatever.

The handling is amazing.

It corners flat.

It's a little sloppy compared to a Porsche GT car.

There's a little fat on the bone.

But for $55,000 or whatever the sticker is on this thing,

I mean, if I were looking for a one car solution where

I needed something, my 13-year-old could ride in the back.

We could take on a family trip.

The seats are great.

Toyota has completely revamped their seats.

Now Toyota seats are great.

They used to sort of bend you into this C position

and terribly uncomfortable.

Could never buy a Toyota.

Now the seats across the line are great.

But this thing, this would be my single car solution.

Because I can take this to the canyons

and have that feeling of satisfaction.

It isn't my GT4.

It's not going to hit the same limits.

You're not going to be carrying the same speed.

But it is damn good for what it is.

And I'm so glad that I got the chance

to drive it like it should be driven.

And I will be back because I really enjoyed it.

I really enjoyed it.

I pulled on some cars with a lot more horsepower

in the canyons.

It was just so much so that they came up and said, wow,

that car can hustle.

I'm sold.

I'm, you know.

High praise.

Yeah.

What did you, so you owned one for a year or so, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, similar.

For 50 grand, brand new.

I don't think you can get a better car.

I think we talked about it on previous podcasts.

The Civic Type R is technically a better car.

But it's not as much fun.

Yeah, and this car is fun.

That car can be fast as we know and not be fun.

And this car is fast enough.

And it is fun.

And it's just, I mean, I was laughing.

I mean, it was, it brought me joy, right?

I want to say that house cleaning woman, right?

I mean, this thing brought me joy.

I'm not going to throw it out.

Yeah.

And I'm going to use it every day, you know?

It's good.

It's very good.

You have Marie Kondoed, your ideal garage.

And that would be part of it, or that would be it.

Yeah, it'd be an amazing third car for me, honestly.

I don't know if I could explain that.

Well, I love that it's the option,

like that it would give you the option.

Like you said, there's not a lot of cars

that could be a one car solution.

Yeah.

And, you know, and I'll be honest,

I was not expecting the word sublime to be used to describe.

Neither was I.

This is not the car I thought it was going to be.

So what did you think leading up, right?

What was your, you looked at the car.

What did you think?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't love the way it looks.

I think I probably prefer the looks of the Type R,

to be honest.

I'm probably more, I've owned a Honda.

I've never owned a Toyota.

I think that Honda still probably has a better,

you know, shift linkage and clutch feel and all that.

One of the things I struggle a little bit with this car

that does sort of fit into the profile

or the kind of car I thought it would be

is that it's a little, it's a little, like I said,

a little tough to drive around town, right?

With the clutch, you know, you get that sort of that

chug chug chug sometimes if you're not just on it

and just the path of the clutch and all that

sometimes makes it a little difficult

if you're not on it to sort of get that arc.

But I thought it was very much going to be an on off car,

sort of a really feel like a tuner car, right?

I thought it might not be the complete package.

And I thought it would maybe feel a little heavy.

Well, we all, we've all driven, you know,

Carrera 2s versus Carrera 4s or Carrera 2, I mean, did he?

That's what is that 964?

But a Carrera, say versus a 4S or something, right?

And you feel that weight in the front end

and it's a different kind of car.

Obviously, there's not a,

there's not a rear-wheel drive version of this car

but it didn't carry that weight in the same way.

It was very balanced.

I played around a little bit with the track setting

and all that.

Honestly, I think I prefer driving with a 50-50 split.

Maybe that's just how I started pushing it.

But I was on it.

I mean, I was on it and it was good.

And like I said, much more finished car,

I think, than what I was expecting, Dan.

Yeah, Lindsay, would you ever consider one?

I would love to drive one first.

I feel like I have to make an informed decision, obviously.

And, you know, I'll never turn down the chance

to drive something new.

But I love the idea that it has a functional backseat

because I could take my whole family.

And it sounds like even the dogs.

So, you know, that's a big selling point for me.

Like I've said before,

that's one of the things that I really love about the X3

is like with it being a manual,

in a lot of ways, it's the best of both worlds

because it's still an engaging driving experience

but I know I can take everybody in it.

Yes.

So, yeah, I would definitely consider it.

And what about the noises, Ryan?

The first time you heard it do the dump valve thing.

Yes, yes.

I think I texted you right away.

This is so cool.

I almost wish it were a little louder, right?

That said, I had to turn the car off

and carline at my daughter's school

because it was a little boy racer, right?

You know, amongst the Volvos.

Was this your request or her request?

She didn't want me to pick her up in the car.

I did not get that request.

She's cool with a Porsche

but I think the other kids know what that is, right?

I think this doesn't seem as special, right?

No one really bad at an eye

but I do love the way it sounds.

I wish the red line was a little higher.

I wish there was a little more sound in the cabin.

I do love the blow off valve sounds.

I mean, that's good stuff.

I mean, and I now know why these kids in town

and their whatever WRX's that are tuned

or these guys in their diesel pickup trucks

are making these sounds constantly

because it's fun.

But I think that if it were mine,

this is a car that I think I probably would tune a little bit

or Buddy Johnny Lieberman has tuned his car to high heaven.

He's done all sorts of iterations, right?

With conjunction with aftermarket outfits and stuff.

This does as good as it is,

it does seem like a blank slate,

probably unlike any other car I've ever driven, right?

It seems like it's probably capable

even of so much more.

As wonderful as it is in the canyons,

it could use a little more smoothness,

a little more grunt down low around town.

It is kind of a clunky thing to drive

like in stop and go traffic, right?

That said, it's good enough where I,

if I needed a one car solution, I could handle that

and I would still have a lot of fun in the weekends.

And in Colorado, it's all wheel drive.

Get yourself some snow tires done and done.

This is your car.

They're supposed to be amazing in car parks in the snow.

Obviously it's snow tires, not just summer tires.

Is it snow in Seattle?

Yeah, it does.

It does, occasionally.

And when it does, you really need it.

High praise from Ryan.

Yeah.

Can I ask why you sold your car?

And I know that it's not just the car.

There are other factors you made a move from Seattle.

Do we have to keep talking about the fact I sold mine?

Come on.

What if we promised this is the last time

because I had the same question?

Okay.

Well, it was logistics.

I was moving down two states.

Yeah.

I had a truck full of stuff to take down.

I had the Audi.

I was going to be moving to LA,

which is probably not a great car for LA.

I know it's not, right?

That's it.

The traffic that you get in LA.

That's it.

It would be a great weekend car in LA.

Yes, yes.

So yeah, it's probably the one car I've owned.

I still think about it quite regularly.

And it was, for me,

it used to give me a little adrenaline rush sometimes.

Just an injection adrenaline.

You drive it like an asshole.

Like, I mean, you just do, right?

I mean, it goes you on to push it

and to make noises and dig in deep

and around the corners and city streets and all this.

I mean, it's just, it really pushes you to,

I don't know, to push it, you know?

Do we now have descriptions per car, right?

So last week, it was,

if you're driving the Mustang GT, you're a dickhead.

If you're driving the Corolla, you're an asshole.

You know, what are you in the Porsche GT4?

I think we're developing a new scale

and it's gonna be an organic development.

It'll be a living document, as they say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll see what happens.

It's a great car, guys.

I really, I would encourage anyone to go drive one,

but make sure you take it out of the city, right?

If you take it on a test drive,

go and take it on a back road.

You know, if you live somewhere

where your commute is on some twisty roads,

this is your car, right?

This is not a stop and go traffic car

because it's a little frustrating, you know?

Yeah.

Brakes are amazing.

Yeah. The brakes are fantastic.

And you see slotted rotors from the factory.

That's kind of cool, right?

How many miles did it have on it?

Because the other thing for you, right,

is the brakes were amazing, but it was a press car.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, it had about 5,900 miles when I got it.

I've got about 6,100 on it now.

And that first, the first corner

and the first canyon when I laid into the brakes

and I felt that shove back, I was really impressed.

You both know this.

You both have variations of the car I do, the Porsche,

where the brakes are wonderful,

but you've got to get into them, right?

And this car was a little more on-off.

And I don't know what's better, but it was different

and gave me all the confidence in the world.

Just, it's a neat thing.

I just, every kid in a tuned WRX gives you a nod, you know?

You've got kid respect.

You've got kid respect, you know?

That is worth its weight in gold.

And then you can throw out the, hello, fellow kids.

Yeah, and then they see the white beard, right?

But just in closing, a wonderful car worth every penny.

A wonderful, you know, only car solution for just about anyone,

unless you are really in stop and go traffic somewhere.

Yeah.

This is hard to beat.

What else would you spend your $55,000 on?

Right on a new car.

Yeah, well, and Dan, I mean, to Ryan's point,

like you took yours on several road trips, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And it was comfortable and you had fun.

And yeah, I drove the Civic Type R, which I think is really the only.

I don't think I love Subaru, but I don't think the WRX TR

is a competitor to it because I don't think it has enough horsepower.

That's it. That's it.

So I think it's the Civic Type R and you're going front-wheel drive

or the GR Corolla and you're going all-wheel drive.

But yeah, it was it's serious versus fun.

And I always went for fun.

Well, this is I think the one case where the all-wheel drive

might be the more fun car, right?

Right, yeah.

Yeah, you don't hear that very often.

Well, and I think what has there been, like Ryan, you mentioned,

you know, it was it was encouraging you to sort of take

like even neighborhood roads safely, of course,

but like take corners, you know, more spiritedly than you might in another car.

Yeah.

Has there been another sort of sleeper car or a car

that you guys weren't expecting to feel that way in that you caught

like in the moment you were like, oh, I want to kind of be a little more spirited?

Like has there been another car that has made you feel that way?

I think the only car that it can kind of draw a parallel to is the AMG.

The CLA is at the fifty three or the fifty five.

It's whatever the top CLA and the CLA is a car

that in lower trims isn't too impressive.

And I wasn't I didn't have high hopes, but I enjoyed driving that more

than the larger AMGs, short of like the GT, right?

That was another car that made me feel like, like, like I know.

So yeah, you know, I think we have another we have another notch on the scale.

And guys, to be in a car, sorry, there's less than I'll say,

but this car has got me kind of kind of excited.

I it's a it's a neat car.

You know, not all cars you drive or get to drive are like this, right?

Well, this car really has made an impression on me.

And the fact that you can actually shift our Porsche's,

you know, you can take what first gear to 58 miles an hour or something.

This is a car in town.

I'm not just in first and second gear all the time.

And that's kind of fun, too. Yeah, that is nice.

Very good. Well, we talked last week about that coffee shop I discovered

down in Malibu. Yeah, I'm gutted because I didn't go this week.

And I was down there as there was a zinger

in the park outside the coffee shop and also a Tuttle 911 K.

Really? Yeah.

So you talk about LA cars and, you know, special cars,

like you don't see those anywhere, let alone a coffee shop.

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that's a that's a two car solution.

It is indeed.

Anyway, I need to get back there.

I got I'm heading to SEMA this week.

But I need to get back to that coffee shop

and see what else is going to be there.

I saw the pictures over from the weekend

and I thought, oh, I really hope Dan was there

because I want to hear what it was like.

Yeah, I wasn't.

But it was interesting because also I saw that Larry Chen

has just recently driven a zinger.

I wonder if it was Larry.

Could be because it was the same one.

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, good on.

Or another automotive journalist.

So yeah. Yeah.

He was posting some zinger content, too, if I'm not mistaken.

We will have to investigate without making this all about Ryan.

You went from one extreme to another

because you went from a modern day, I guess,

hot hatch to an old school Lamborghini.

How was that?

So I just submitted the article to auto blog tonight.

So hopefully by the time you are hearing this,

the show, the article will be put will have posted as well.

So this is a nineteen ninety one Diablo.

So the second year, I think it was of the Diablo.

And for those in the know, apparently this is the one you want

because it's early, you know, later, they had more power,

all wheel drive and all this.

But but this is an early car, no electronic nannies.

You know, it's got those big three hundred and three five series

tires in the back, you know, that look like rolling barrels.

It is so I don't want to give away too much of the article,

but I likened it to what I call a cigarette boat, right?

All fiberglass and horsepower.

And it really is that, you know, build quality isn't,

you know, wasn't what it is now at Lamborghini, right?

You know, we were driving in the analog clock in the dash,

decided to fly out upon acceleration.

You know, I mean, it's it's it's little things like that.

That but if you if you look past that stuff, it is a hell of a thing

because as much as I love the Corolla, there is no power down low, right?

To get in a car where all the power is down low, right?

And then it just goes and goes and goes,

right up to red line.

It's it's a great feeling.

It's it's what all cars kind of used to feel like, right?

In a way, obviously not like a Diablo, but all cars used to have a V6 or a V8.

And, you know, and they were just so much more tractable around town.

Now, now this car I barely fit in.

Actually, I fit OK. I'll take that back.

I fit in OK. Plenty of headroom had the seat all the way back.

You sit in and I don't know if you've driven a Diablo, either of you.

But not yet.

The the shoulder belt and the lap belt are are two different pieces.

And so the shoulder belt, you attach up by your shoulder.

And then the lap belt is like a standard lap belt,

but you bring it from the center to the outside and then you're presented

with not one, but two receivers.

And I don't know why there are two places to plug this lap belt.

I have no idea because they're about two inches from one another.

So I don't know if it's like, you know, you let a little out at the waist,

you know, after Thanksgiving or, you know, what that option is there for.

That was odd. And the car is just filled with little peculiarities like that.

Right. Like, why the hell did they do it this way? Right.

Where it could have, you know, one of you mentioned the simpler solution.

Like, why are we complicating this?

But that said, you know, you get in, you turn the key.

It's a dog leg first, which, you know, you've got to sort of be paying

attention to, but it rose to life.

And it's just, you know, nothing sounds like that car.

Like, or nothing, I should say, nothing sounds like a V12, right.

Through a gated manual and it just goes and it's, it's, it's got manual steering.

When was the last time you drove a car with manual steering?

You know, it's been a little bit.

I think the closest thing would, I can liken it to would be a Lotus

Elise with two and a half times the horsepower.

And that's really what it felt like.

But everyone gives you a thumbs up.

No one hates on this car, right?

Like it is, it is a, it is an experience just to see it.

You know, I had the feeling out driving around that most of the people

seeing it probably never actually seen one in person.

I go into detail in the article about the first time I tried to take

the car out and it broke down and some of the characters we met along the way.

But, you know, everyone has thoughts on a Diablo and, uh, you know,

you drive it and it grows on you and you want one.

And, you know, these things are going for about 250 grand right now.

Um, I don't know if it's where I put my 250 grand, but also like a boat.

It's really great when your friend has one.

Right.

More like, uh, get a friend with a Diablo.

That's, I think that's the move.

Um, you know, I don't know anyone has a Diablo as a second car even, right?

You know, it's like a fifth car or a sixth car, but what a good fifth car

or sixth car it is, it is, um, it's, it's a tremendous thing.

If you ever get a chance, do drive one because I think by the time

even the Mercy logo came around, it was a different car, right?

Probably for better, but a different car.

And that Diablo was just a moment in time.

Read the article for more because I kind of nerd out on it.

It was, I will always remember the, the video for cosmic girl, what you

Marrakoi, where the car is racing through the, and, uh, someone heard the

story behind that is that someone had driven it and crashed it in some way

where the windscreen got smashed.

So if you actually watch the video, he's driving the car without a windscreen.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

Kind of a little behind the scenes tidbits.

Yeah, there we go.

Yeah, how do you fit in there with that hat?

That's right with the horns.

Very carefully.

Shouldn't have got the right stuff.

Guys, it's a, it's amazing.

Again, and this, and then I'll shut up, but drive one.

If you get a chance, just sit in it, just, just commune with it

because they don't make cars like that.

They hardly made them then it's a special, the car's got an edge.

It is just, it is, it is living.

It is living.

What's next?

Are you allowed to say?

Yeah, I'll tell you what it is based here first.

Well, maybe we get people to comment.

What should, what should Ryan, the theme here, right?

Is that you're driving cars from your youth that were posters on your wall.

Exactly.

Poster cars.

Yep.

And you've already driven Carrera GT Diablo.

Yep.

Uh, what else 355 355.

Yeah.

I guess that's, that's just those three.

So we're talking nineties ish.

Yeah, early nineties.

You know, yeah.

Yeah.

So let us know what Ryan should drive next.

I guess the courage, yeah.

Courgety came a little bit later, but that was, yeah, that's a forever car.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

We will watch this space and maybe you reveal next week.

What's next?

You're going to be impressed.

Yeah.

Is it Italian?

Give us one clue.

One.

Yes, there we go.

Yes.

Yes, it is.

Ah, well, it's not the F40 because I know that's in the shop,

but we will see.

The F40 is back, baby.

But I'm not saying that's the one.

No, but you're not saying it's not the one.

There's some other good ones in there too.

Next week, next week.

I thought based on, we got a lot of good feedback last week

about the VW comments we made.

So I thought we would do a slightly different question for the group.

And hopefully you guys have done some research

because I gave it a question in advance.

I've got a wonderful question, wonderful answer.

But I know that Ryan believes he's right.

I think Lindsay believes she's right.

I mean, I obviously am.

Yeah, someone else go first though.

I've done way too much talk.

So let me give you the question and then we can discuss.

So you've stolen Doc Brown's DeLorean

and you decide to go back in time and visit a dealership

during peak Porsche.

So we're talking the best time to buy a Porsche.

What year do you set the clock and why?

And what is your justification for that year?

So Lindsay, do you want to go first?

Dun-dun-duh, yes.

And I like that this scenario, little thought experiment

starts off with some light automotive crime with an icon in Hollywood and cars.

I really appreciate it.

And so my where the year that I'm setting the clock to is 1973.

Because I would like to go back and see the 2.7 liter RS in dealership

because I don't know what it was like at the time when that car came out.

I think most of us would agree that if you had to pick like the Porsche,

that is one of the top contenders.

So I think it'd be really fascinating to see that in the moment

it was introduced and kind of see it in real time knowing

the sort of legend, I don't know if legend is the right word,

but knowing how it is thought of today and how revered it is.

I think it'd be really interesting to sort of see where that started.

Does a Doc Brown's car have a trailer hitch?

It does now.

He's very clever.

Yeah, imagine like at the time, I wonder if people knew

what they were looking at when they walked in.

Because sometimes some of these cars, these these legendary cars

at the time, they're not considered legendary.

And even to a point where sometimes they don't even sell a lot of.

Right. People are like, what is this?

I don't want it. Why would you ever?

And then decades later, they're like, wait, that was the peak

or that was the penultimate or, you know, I mean, I think

I may be misremembering, but I think there was a little bit of that

with the 959 because it was such a huge technological achievement.

But it was different and people were kind of like, you know,

it takes like people need a moment to process it.

So I'd be curious.

Obviously, it wasn't wouldn't be the same as it is now,

but were there people that like recognized it for what it was at the time?

Or was it sort of a sleeper and like only with hindsight?

We look back and realize what a big deal it was.

So I would love to, you know, see that in action.

Nice.

I don't feel like going.

So I was just going to say, I don't know that the 73 RS was

nearly as appreciated in time and period as it is now.

And in fact, I seem to recall some stories about, you know, these cars

sitting, you know, other things.

Yeah. Tom Fulherita to sell the things.

I would not be surprised if that was the case.

That's why I think it'd be like, you know, that would be my guess.

And I think it'd be interesting to, to, especially because you could

walk into a dealer and see one with the benefit of knowing what we know

and just be like, this is wild.

And I kind of had this amazing secret and nobody knows.

Yeah. Yeah.

And you think what else was in a Porsche dealership in 73?

Was it would have been a 914, right?

Yeah. Obviously, 9-11 was the 9-12 still being made in 73?

No, I don't think so.

But maybe when did the 9-28 come out?

Well, that would have been.

I'm going to look that up because now I want to know.

We can ask our research assistant.

So that was 77.

I would have guessed earlier.

Yeah. Okay. Interesting.

But, you know, right around the corner, you know, interesting.

It's a great answer because I think that the general lineup

was also pretty solid, right?

Right. Except for those 914s.

But you've come around on that.

It's that high. Yeah.

Very high. Ryan, what are you going with?

Let's hear the next right answer.

Well, I'm glad you went further back than I did.

But I knew right away what year.

And for me, it's 2011.

Really?

Because think about 2011.

So 2011, if you know your Porsche history

was sort of in the end of the 997 and you were you were in the

right in the middle of the point twos, right, the dot twos.

And and, you know, I'm really realizing that those are really

my favorite modern Porsches.

You know, our Pell, Tom Iran just took delivery of his RS 4.0.

And, you know, being in that thing like that is that is it.

That is the Alf in the Omega.

That is the car.

That said, you know, the lesser 997s are equally wonderful.

It's just the right size. You've got the right visibility.

They're just fantastic.

And the point twos for me with the GT three and all that,

that's really when it sort of came together for me.

So so 2011 was an interesting year

because you were really at the end of the 997,

you know, the 99 on the corner.

But you had some wonderful models outside of that GT 340

because you had the Turbo S that was just made,

I think, for 2011 and 2012, which is an exceptional, exceptional thing.

And I think by one now, because those are only going to go up and up and up.

The GTS, we often forget about the GTS, the 997.2911 GTS.

That was a neat car.

Had the center lock wheels.

I think it had 385 horse.

No, that was the standard.

I think it had close to 400 horsepower.

That was a really, really cool car, too.

You could get a four, you could get a cab.

That was another one.

Also, the GT 2 RS, I believe that was right about that time.

Let me be off a couple years.

We talked about those Volkswagen things that it was overwhelmingly positive.

But we also had a lot of people correcting us.

Oh, well, that car came out one year before one year after.

So right. But that was at the, you know, in the mix at the time, for sure.

You know, but that that was that was it for me.

That was the first year of the of the second gen Cayenne as well.

2011 is when that was introduced.

You could get a diesel, right?

That was a that was a great year for Porsche, right?

And so 2011 for me.

If I could do a George Costanza and make a bed under John Diesty's

best, just soak all that in 2011 in for a day or two.

I do it because I keep coming back to that time.

Those are my favorite modern Porsches.

And it's not like Volkswagen.

It's not like we've really fallen.

I just think we were really, really focused in 2011.

So well, like you said, that would have been like, I wonder how many other

times in the history of the company, there were so many models at the same

time that would have held your interest, you know, given that it's our

like what's interesting for us.

Yeah, that'd be interesting to know.

It's it for me for sure.

So.

All right, Dan.

Well, initially, I was going to go for 1995

because I was actually doing an internship at Porsche at the time

in the UK and we launched the turbo and the four S at the same time.

But I've not gone for that.

I want to take you further back.

OK. And it's around 1986, 87.

OK.

You are walking into the dealership.

You get hit by a big wave of cologne.

So once we're in the old spice or something, right?

But, you know, the sleek back sales guy.

Sure.

You walk in.

Is he sniffing a little bit?

It could be. He's got white powder coming right.

I appreciate that you're setting the stage with so much detail.

It's going to make everyone remember why it's like smell vision.

Yeah.

You are looking like Joey from Friends.

You're wearing your Porsche hat, your Porsche jacket.

Everything that says I own a Porsche, even though you don't own a Porsche.

You've got the world's biggest telephone.

So you're walking in with a mobile phone that is bigger than a brick.

Yeah.

And.

Yeah, early adopter.

You're not having to worry about ADM.

This is way before everyone you've thought about, hey,

we can we can comp people out of even more money.

So there's no ADM on any of the cars.

Well, they were struggling a little bit even, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

So you walk into the showroom and you see the 9-11 Turbo convertible.

And it's just in Guards Red.

You know, there weren't multiple colors.

You pretty much had like five colors to pick from.

And there it is.

Like it's on a turntable and it's kind of going around.

Fuchs wheels. Are we talking Fuchs wheels?

What are we talking?

DBS. OK. Fuchs allies.

You know, dark heart, a dark convertible cover

and the big wing on the back, the whale tail.

You remember the whale tail.

And then you realize you can't afford it.

But what you do walk away with is you walk away with a brochure.

Back then, brochures were amazing.

Like you would get these brochures that had so much love

and attention gone into them and they would give them out

if you were lucky so you could get this brochure of the car

and you'd walk away and you're like, hey, I don't own the car,

but I've just had a great experience.

And then you have one more piece of memorabilia where you're like,

obviously, I've been to the dealership because I have this.

Yes. That's a good year, Dan.

I thought maybe we were going to say you walk away at a 944

of some variety. Maybe, yeah, you can't afford it.

That was your consolation.

Or the 928.

You've just bought the 928 that's been traded in.

That's that's right.

That would have had a sticker price even higher, maybe,

than that. I don't have to look that up.

But but yeah, that was that was, you know, we talk about,

you know, what cars mean and what they symbolize and,

you know, and, you know, aspirational cars and all that.

And I think for a lot of us, that would have been the car

that really was on our radar or on our wall.

You know, that was definitely Wall Street, Bro.

You know, what was the movie with Wall Street?

It was Wall Street. But I mean, it was like it was really well.

You know, you set it up, right? Yeah, yeah.

You know, shiny suits and, you know, and all that.

And, you know, I've told this story before.

We had a neighbor that it wasn't a convertible,

but he had a turbo right at about that same time.

Black, silver, BBS wheels seem to have more than one girlfriend.

And he was he was swinging bachelor for sure.

And, you know, we were driving minivans or whatever at the time.

And, you know, that car was just in such contrast to what we were driving,

what most people were driving in my town.

I mean, that guy, you know, he had it figured out.

And that I think that's when those cars really the people

maybe that were driving those cars really changed from,

you know, who had driven Porsches historically, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

That was a that was a time of transition for Porsche for sure.

And I would argue that we've continued to almost sort of carry that.

Yeah, that in that same direction in a way.

Was that Gordon Gekko? Gordon Gekko, that's the best name.

But I couldn't think of who it was.

I had to check as well, because I remember that there was a Porsche

in Weird Science. Did you guys ever see Weird Science?

Oh, yes. I think it was a 928.

It wasn't a 911, so.

In a Mondial, I think, right?

Wasn't it a 4 in a Mondial as well?

Yeah, I love that movie.

That's a great, that's a great call.

That was it.

The brother, the reference.

Yeah. But let us know if you agree or disagree with us.

Let us know what you think in the comments was peak Porsche.

Is it have we completely missed the mark or did Lindsey get it right

or did Ryan get it right?

Or did I get it close to right, but couldn't actually buy the car?

I got the brochure.

Yeah, I like that you threw a curveball in.

Yeah, the journalists of the world seem to be in uproar

and I don't really understand why.

So I think GM have recently announced that they're no longer

no longer going to be supporting CarPlay or the Google equivalent.

And there's been lots of different journalists complaining about this.

I've seen it on LinkedIn.

I've seen it on Instagram.

And I guess my question to you guys is

would we actually care if we still had navigation?

We still had the ability to skip through music.

Like, would you miss CarPlay now?

Yes and no, because I think you're right.

If you still have all the features available, it's really nice.

But I think there is, you know, we get used to a certain system.

And I think there's a universality to Google or not Android Auto,

but CarPlay, you know, for me.

And just knowing that you can, it's like going to Starbucks,

you know what you're going to get, you know?

And so if you get into a car and you know you can get in, if it's got CarPlay,

you already can just start using it without having to learn it.

So there's that part of it.

But, you know, I would hope that whatever they're moving towards

is relatively intuitive.

And so pretty quickly you'd be up and running.

So I think I'd get over it.

Yeah, Ryan.

Yeah, I think I'm actually a case study because, you know,

we have this Polestar and it was the first car that we'd had,

I guess that where Apple Play wasn't automatic.

And what I mean by that is it has Apple Play, but Apple Play isn't wireless.

You've got to plug in through the USB.

And so we just got in the habit of not using it.

And so Polestar, Volvo, whatever has their own version,

which is no less good, does all the same stuff.

And we've just gotten in the habit, I guess, of using that.

You know, it's got its own navigation on that.

So I don't miss it.

I've never felt inclined to go get a cord to plug in the phone

so I could use Apple Play.

There's nothing that Apple Play, I don't think offhand,

can do that that their proprietary system doesn't.

That said, when I bought my Porsche and I bought the GT4,

you know, I wasn't going to pay for Porsche navigation, right?

So that was a workaround for me to be able to plug in.

Again, you've got to plug it in.

But, you know, it just I've gotten in the habit

and and and I use it there, right?

Play music in the few times I listen to music in the car.

So I I don't know.

I think at one time it would have been more important to me.

I'm a Mac guy, you know, I iPhone, you know, Macbook, whatever.

Yeah, I don't know that it's as important as it used to be.

I think it's time as they never really.

Well, they take that back.

I think recently they did push it forward, but for the longest time

it never really changed, right?

So I don't know.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Dan, you it's a weird one.

Like I I guess the only thing I would miss is sometimes I will use Siri.

So I will be like a Siri tech blah, blah, blah, blah, or a Siri

navigate me to here or a Siri, you know, what was the score in the soccer

of the football in my series now going off?

But much than I do for you.

Yeah, it's it's listening too much.

I I actually begrudge the fact that my car has carplay

but doesn't have wireless carplay.

That's what I want because I just had a McCann loner for 24 hours.

Yeah, you didn't even have to plug in.

And it's like it looks like the same, you know, screen.

It looks like, yeah, come on, Porsche, just sort it out.

So it's so close, right?

Yeah, but I think as long as I had my music

and as long as I had clear navigation, I don't care what platform it is.

Yeah, yeah, I think.

Well, and so I saw that they were discontinuing it,

but I haven't seen the comments.

Can you share like what some of the complaints were with the people

that were upset about it going away?

You have to go dig them up.

But I imagine it's something along the lines of, you know,

what does it cost?

You know, like, why do you know why not just keep it going?

Right. I mean, what is this pennies or, you know, it's something

we've always used or it's I think the argument for probably a lot of people

is that generally it's going to work, right?

Like, yeah, well, and like you said,

or like Dan was saying, the interface with your phone is pretty handy,

like to be able to use Siri.

But I think I mean, my guess would be it's data driven

because I used to work for a company that was providing

the like like our system and it was a carplay competitor.

But the OEMs owned all the data.

And that was one of the complaints about Apple and Google is that

if they plug that into their cars,

you get the universal, you know, functionality,

but they don't get the visibility into the user data.

So you know, of using their own platform or working with a company

that has built one, they get to see all of their user data,

which is invaluable to them.

So that that would be my guess.

That's a good I've got.

So I'm connected to a few car journalists on LinkedIn.

And this is Yuri.

So if you don't know Yuri, he's one of the hosts of the Strait Pipes,

which is a very successful YouTube channel.

Yuri and Jacob.

Hey, and we're going for a drive.

That's their channel.

And Yuri has said, GM, getting rid of carplay and Android auto

across all models in the future.

Dang, big mistake.

Someone please control Z this real quick.

That's clever.

Yeah, he's clearly not happy about it.

You know what pisses me off more?

If I may, is, you know, my one complaint

about this don't hold back to your carola.

It's got a charging pad that doesn't do a damn thing.

You can get it just so it's a second slater.

The light starts flashing.

I have taken the case off.

I've taken the put the case on.

I've tried my new whatever iPhone 17 or whatever this is.

I've tried an old iPhone.

It doesn't do squat, you know, other cars.

They seem to either work or not work to me.

That's a much more important feature.

Especially if you've got wireless.

Yeah, right.

You need to have that charger.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, those are the warm phone warmer, right?

No, you're right. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, how else is your phone supposed to stay warm in the winter?

But that's one of those things where you see it and you get excited

because you're like, oh, the ease and then to have it not work.

It feels like double the frustrating because you're like,

I was promised this amazing thing.

And now not only is it here, but it doesn't work.

And there are plenty of cars that do it just fine.

You could throw that phone however in a charge as in others.

You got to get it just right.

In fact, I got so frustrated I went into the GR forums,

which I know is not where you want to go for a thousand reasons, right?

In the solution seems to be take some foam core.

In fact, you could download a template.

You take this foam core and you fit it in the in this in this tray

and it holds your phone in just the precise position to charge.

So it's a position thing, I guess.

But I don't want a piece of foam core in my car.

I mean, come on.

Like I love that there's a solution, but it's like.

Yeah, that cheapens it a little bit.

Janky is the word.

Yeah, I love the fact that Ryan was so frustrated by this.

He went on to the GR forums for a car that he's going to have for a week.

Yeah, but that tells you how bad it was.

Yeah. Or how frustrating.

You have this car, how long?

I may not give this one back, but I've had it for three days.

Now we know that's why he's on the floor.

New York, I left my driveway has a gate.

Come get me Toyota.

I like this thing.

I like it a lot, except for that.

It's like before I decide whether I'm returning the keys or not

or attempting to keep them, let me see if I can fix this charging pad thing.

And now that I have, whoops, can't find the keys.

That's right.

Your phone is always out of charge to just buy a damn cable.

I like the sleek look intended by the designers.

Thank you. There we go.

You don't want to spoil that aesthetics.

I'm not an Uber driver, at least not yet.

So I think we should probably mention very briefly that last week

we announced a competition and you could win another Sheffield watch.

We're not going to tell you how on this episode.

But if you listen to last week's episode, we were very clear on how you could win it.

We've already had some good entries.

So thank you to everyone that's given us.

And it's people that we don't know and they're amazing comments.

So thank you very much.

That's right. The competition is heating up, too.

I think you just sort of let on to how to do it, but.

It's simple. Let's say that.

It was a good hint like what is Ryan going to be driving next.

It was a solid hint, but you got to go listen to the episode.

Yeah, listen to last week's episode and the best of luck in entering the competition.

The episode was called milking it and we are milking it.

There you go.

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The NSX is coming back and I don't mean the new old NSX.

I mean the original, the one that was worked on by Senna.

And it is coming back via Pininfarina, which is a bit weird,

because I don't know, did Pininfarina design the original NSX?

I've never heard that.

I do not think so, but I'd be corrected.

And a company called Jazz Motorsport.

And they're going to use existing chassis.

So this is a common trick, singer do it.

The guys at HWA, the folks that do Mercedes,

essentially if you're using an old chassis,

you get to use the VIN from that chassis.

So technically it's not a new car.

Technically you don't have to crush it.

You don't have to put it through safety tests.

You know, you're already kind of starting ahead of the game, if you will.

But they're going to put carbon fiber bodies

of the NSX body on top of these old chassis.

Is that something that appeals?

What's the price point?

Yeah, I can't see them being less than half a million.

I know. And at that price, no, not really.

Did they make, I mean, we talk about singer

and how they're going to vacuum up all the nine six fours.

But they did make a lot of nine six fours,

even though they made relatively few nine six fours.

You know, versus all of the 11 production.

But what are we talking with NSX numbers?

Because I never, you know, I don't remember seeing a ton of NSF.

NSX is back in the day.

Some more NSX is a car week this year than it had up to that point in my life.

I just I wonder how big that pool is.

Obviously they're not, you know, going to go through too many of them.

But you can still get a good NSX, right?

For four hundred grand, maybe a little bit less.

A hundred grand. Yeah.

So the the coupes, obviously, they started in the 90s.

The coupes in the 90s, 1990.

They made about nine thousand nine thousand.

They then went to the target mid 90s.

And they made eight and a half thousand.

And they were like special editions like the type R,

which were very much less than five hundred each time.

So, you know, there's, I guess there's what?

Fourteen, fifteen thousand chassis out there.

Yeah, they made them for a long time.

Potentially, like for the ones that have survived to this date.

Yeah. So carbon bodies, I assume there's some

some meddling with the with the motors

and yeah, I'm not using the V6.

OK, yeah, yeah.

I'm sure they're wonderful.

But again, you know, we've talked about this before,

if you've got a half a million dollars to spend, right?

Is that where you're going to spend it on?

Yeah. Well, I feel like it's again, it's

that would be like a fifth car, maybe.

Or maybe I just need to be friends with someone

who has it as a fifth or sixth car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love the NSX, the original NSX.

The newer one didn't really hit me until about the type S

or whatever late in the game.

But that original NSX is a truly beautiful car.

I've never driven one.

But, you know, all of a sudden, they just

they just are really, really appealing to me.

Right. Just the same time, right?

Like, you know, the prices are going up.

But they're wonderful.

I do wonder if I'd want more power.

But it's not.

Just a sign that you have a chaser.

That's true.

Try. I don't know.

It's it's I I I I would almost rather have

just a really good original and then money for, you know,

for other cars or so.

Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards, too.

I got to sit in an original and it was really cool.

And they're very unique, obviously,

if you've gotten to get up close, you know that.

So I would love to drive one.

But I think if I was in the market for one,

I would be looking for just a good example of an original.

Yeah, I sat in the there's a really limited edition type R

and it wasn't available in North America.

I think it was only available in Europe and Japan.

But the two things that struck me with that is the seating position was too high.

So you couldn't like even someone who's maybe a

half a foot, someone shorter than me

wouldn't be able to drive it with a helmet on.

OK, OK, the seating position was just too high.

And were they with a different seating position than just the regular ones?

Yeah, it's like a proper sport seat, like a proper race seat.

Like a fixed. OK, yeah.

It has the smallest gear knob of any car I've ever seen.

So I challenge anyone to show me a smaller gear knob

than the NSX in third jokes here next contest.

Yeah, which was amazing.

You could almost just use two fingers and insert the gear.

A little like it was not.

Yeah, it was not conducive to, you know, proper shifting.

Interesting. OK.

Yeah, no more jokes on that one.

Just let this one go. Yeah. Yeah.

You needed I don't know you needed car Viagra.

Maybe quickly on.

That car show is not sponsored, but we are open to discussions.

Yes. Yeah.

Well, I was thinking if we can get a few more sponsors,

and we're obviously very grateful for the sponsors we have.

Yeah. Maybe we could buy a group

G.R. Corolla and pull it between them.

You know, we'll keep it in LA, let's say, because that's geographically

the nearest from Seattle, from Denver and from Orange County.

Right. When you look at, yeah, critical mass, that's the most central.

And we're happy to wrap it in a Bluetooth livery.

Should they be interested? There we go.

Right. Yeah.

Let us know if you want to sponsor us and help us get closer to a company car.

This sort of Lawson shaped a question for you.

If we were to do that, what would the vanity plate read?

Depends on the sponsor, doesn't it?

Yeah. Yeah.

Because you can get they did a limited like Johnny's got one.

The blue is really limited edition.

Like it was only available in like one or two years.

I see. I want to say it was just the first year.

Yeah. And it was a refresh back to they did it on the normal Corolla

for like one year. OK.

So you could do that and then have Bluetooth, B, L, U, C, H, E, W.

Yeah. Yeah.

Our phone lines are open.

You I think you've got more letters and numbers in California.

We've only got six.

Yeah, we have seven in California makes it a little tougher.

But is that because people can't read as well in Denver?

They're all like, listen, the comprehension cut off is six.

We're capping it.

Otherwise, they're going to be two over one.

I'm just going to see a license plate on a car in Colorado.

And if you live here, you know exactly what I mean.

Yeah. What's that you what's that Instagram account?

Is it plates of destiny or urban underscore plates?

I think it's a destiny.

Better. Yeah.

Perhaps we should set up plates of destiny.

Sounds like a Mormon thing.

Comes with a magic wand and its own spaceship.

And once you're on the level, you get a you get a robe.

Harry Potter and the plates of destiny.

There we go.

Harry learns to drive.

That's the that's the unpublished secret secret sequel or whatever.

Yeah. That's the new J.K. Rowling book.

He works on a plate.

What have you guys got coming up?

Can you share anything?

Sure. Ryan.

Oh, I'm I'm looking forward to the LA Auto show,

which is going to be here before we know it.

I'm looking forward to getting your impressions of SEMA.

I have not been, but once and that was a couple of years ago is overwhelming.

If you're really, really lucky, you can take the boring companies underground

Tesla. Oh, that's right.

Whatever you call it.

Yeah. It's super exciting.

There's a reason they called the boring company.

But there's that.

And yeah, I'm just curious to get your take because there are

halls and halls of dent pulling equipment and, you know,

yeah, terrible chrome wheels and, you know, polishing machines.

And yeah, so you name it.

Make sure you get a map because you want to go to the right places

unless you're into that kind of thing.

You want to see like the new cars.

You want to see the concepts you want to see on the builds.

The like, is it a Tory VW in there?

No, not this year.

Not this year.

That is legacy carries through.

Right, exactly.

I mean, I feel like there's a, you know, the spirit of Tory's builds

will be at all these events.

He's inspiring other builds, hopefully.

But yeah, so Dan, do you know what you're going to be doing there?

I haven't been either.

And I'm really curious to hear what you think.

I don't know.

I'm very grateful to the folks.

They've given me a media pass.

So nice.

Because, you know, they changed the model a couple of years ago.

So it used to be that you had to be in the industry to go.

Right.

And now they've changed the model.

So there's one day that's open to the public

and they do a nice festival and live bands

and all that sort of good stuff.

But I don't think I'm going to be around for that

because I think that's the Friday

and that's the day I drive back from Vegas.

It'll be fine.

You'll have a great time.

I'm looking forward to seeing lots of friends,

making connections, already had a few party invites.

So, you know, it's all about networking

and having a little bit of fun.

Right.

And that's the way to do it.

So what are you the most, what are you most looking forward to?

Just the builds, I think.

You know, you see occasionally on Bring a Trailer

or something, the X-Sema build.

And, you know, this is always after the fact.

Whereas you're going to be seeing it firsthand.

They'll be announced and launched at the show.

Yeah.

Do you have what being Lindsay?

Is that right?

I have it.

And every year I see the pictures.

And I think, OK, next year I have to get there.

Because I don't remember if it was last year

or the year before, but there were, it seemed like more trucks

than usual, or I think there was like a special truck theme

or something.

And some of those builds, like between the size of the wheels,

you know, the intricacies, the size of the tires,

and then the intricacies of the paint jobs and the,

you know, accessories, it was just like really a feast

for the eyes.

So I'm curious.

Some of the people.

Right.

So I'm curious to hear what it's like, you know,

for real, Dan, what you think.

And do we know if you're staying at the Drift Hotel yet?

I think I am staying at the Drift Hotel.

Unfortunately, I'll be driving there and back

in a brand new F-150 Tremor.

So I will let you guys know that that's the car of the Pacific

Northwest, maybe.

Or it's certainly a potential dream car for me.

So I'm curious to hear what you think.

Yeah.

All right.

You be careful, Dan.

Yeah.

Have all the fun.

This is a recipe for a marvelous time.

Yeah.

Absolute nightmare.

Yeah.

Big thank you to Ford for being a car of the Pacific Northwest.

Very kind of them.

And yeah, I'll let you know opinions.

And yeah, I'm excited to, because this is like one down

from the Raptor.

But it's also off-road worthy in terms of, you know,

it's not, you know, one of the the builds that they have

that is kind of less is more on-road.

This is off-road.

So it's going to be exciting.

Yeah.

Are you going to be able to get out into the desert at all?

Maybe.

Maybe before.

We'll see.

And Lindsay, what are you up to?

Not.

You're going to do a Defender event?

Am I allowed to talk about that?

Or do we hold on that tool?

Yes, I will be doing a Defender event.

So stay tuned for stories.

I would anticipate there's going to be some more off-roading,

which I love.

And the defenders are just so capable of doing.

And yeah.

So I'm looking forward to sharing that with you guys.

That'll be fun since the driving season here seems to,

I'm, you know, there may be a sunny day here and there,

but at least last weekend was not conducive

for going for drives.

So it is what it is.

It's getting that way here, too.

What's the name of the event?

Because there's a band playing, isn't there?

Quite a cool band.

They have bands like throughout the event.

So it's called Destination Defender.

Nice.

And it's put on by Jaguar Land Rover

as a celebration of the Defender.

What is interesting is they're slowly wearing you down to buy one.

It's a very-

Maybe not even so slowly.

Yeah, it's like, eventually, we keep in body area to these events.

She'll buy one.

I'm sure she will.

Right, yeah.

Like it's a matter of time, trust me.

Well, have fun.

That'll be great.

Thanks.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

Yeah, it's a car that like you see on the road

and you kind of want it, don't you?

They're just beautiful and they go anywhere.

They really are.

Well, and it's kind of like Brian,

you were talking about a one-car solution.

I think, obviously, no car does everything.

But I love people that drive at the racetrack.

There's a lot of talk about like,

if you can drive your car from home to the track,

drive it on the track, and then drive it home,

there's a certain, and maybe it's just personal,

but it's like you feel a little bit triumphant of like,

look at how capable this car is and it's capable on the track

and it's fun to drive and I can also drive it on the street.

And I feel like the Defender is a bit of that for off-roading

because they're so nicely appointed,

they have all the features and bells and whistles

you could want, they're comfortable,

obviously great visibility because of the height.

So you can drive them to the trailhead,

tear up the trails, and then drive them home in comfort.

And I feel like that's not all cars can do that.

And that's one of my favorite parts about them,

especially because they are so capable off-road too.

Yeah, Q-DOS to Land Rover.

Q-DOS to Land Rover's here on that car show,

so again, Land Rover, just like Land Rover's.

Q-DOS to them because they're putting on a set of experiences

which is very different to any of the car company, right?

You know, to have this kind of festival,

that's not really, ah, it looks like Sarah Price will be there.

So Sarah, we work through the door next.

That's amazing.

Well, because she's doing,

she is driving one of the Land Rover sponsored defenders

in the Dakar rally.

Yeah, very good.

Well, enjoy, enjoy.

Looking forward to hearing reports back.

I will bring all the stories.

I think we're at a show, aren't we, folks?

Indeed.

It's looking that way.

Yeah.

Who wants to leave us with the phrase, the pace?

Dun, dun, dun.

Ryan's pointing, but I think we may all be,

it's like Zoom, where?

He's not pointing at me, is he?

Well, there's only one person who does this right.

Turned it into an art.

Yeah.

Well, thank you both.

Yes, well, thank you so much for joining us.

We're That Car Show.

And remember, always be driving

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