A heartfelt re-air of DWA! Podcast Ep. #377 honors Phil “crocgt4” Bazell, longtime GT4 Don Patrol icon and beloved community member who recently passed after cancer. The hosts reflect on his Highway 1 rituals, his Porsche obsession, and the surreal timing of his assisted-suicide decision. The conversation then jumps into the original Carmel/Monterey Car Week recording: Laguna Seca camping impressions, Phil’s GT4 miles and mods, car-buying philosophies, and lively debates on soul vs. appliance cars, plus standout racing sounds and a deep dive on the new Singer/RWB-style Roof CTR prototype.
On this episode we talk a little bit about our friend Phil Bazell who just lost his battle with cancer, before re-airing episode #377 which first aired on 8/23/2018. This episode features Phil(@crocgt4) and Paul Kramer@autokennel), and it was recorded at Phil's house in Carmel, CA during Monterey Car Week in August 2018.
"...ta camera? Egas idle vehiculum. There's no doubt Corvettes are fast, but I'm riding dirty right now. The cr..."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car made for speed and fun driving. People bring it up because it’s known for being very quick. It’s the kind of car you’d choose when you want performance, not just transportation.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a performance sports car known for strong acceleration and a driver-focused layout. The podcast references Corvettes being fast, which is a big part of why they’re discussed in car conversations. It’s also mentioned in a context that suggests the speaker is talking about how it feels to drive and how it fits into their own experience.
"But he's famous for Dom Patrol and driving this the wheels off of this GT4 Porsche he had. And he moved to Carmel about 10 years ago."
“Driving this the wheels off” is an idiom meaning using the car hard and frequently rather than treating it gently. In car culture, it often implies the owner truly enjoyed performance driving and put real miles on the car.
"...DWA is strictly started and we do it for fun. Yeah, it's a passion project and it only makes sense when you have people like this..."
A passion project is something you do because you genuinely love it. Here, they’re saying DWA is about the car community and fun, not just making money.
A passion project is an activity you do primarily for enjoyment and personal meaning, rather than for profit. In the context of DWA, it frames the show/meetups as community-driven car culture rather than a money-first operation.
"So this is a DW podcast post Carmel concours and post Laguna Sanka camping trip."
A concours is a fancy car show where cars are judged. People bring their best, most carefully maintained cars and compete for awards.
A concours (short for concours d’elegance) is a formal car show where vehicles are judged for condition, originality, and presentation. It’s a big part of enthusiast culture because it rewards meticulous restoration and upkeep.
"almost 15 years ago, started Auto Kennel, which is a dealership that focuses strictly on consignment, mostly Porsches, but a lot of other stuff"
Consignment is when a seller places a car with a dealer/broker to sell, but the dealer typically doesn’t take ownership until it sells. This can affect pricing, timelines, and how much control the owner has over the listing.
"And you had a Ferrari when I was there last. Oh, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. I"
Ferrari is an Italian brand known for supercars. If a dealership has Ferraris, it usually means they deal with very special, high-end cars.
Ferrari is an Italian supercar and performance brand with a reputation for high-end engineering and collectability. Mentioning Ferrari in the context of a consignment dealership signals the shop may handle very desirable, high-value cars.
"I've got the most discreet daily you can imagine. A white on gray Toyota Camry. Oh, yeah. What year? 2007."
The Toyota Camry is a very common, practical car. It’s the kind of daily driver people pick when they want something comfortable and dependable.
The Toyota Camry is a mainstream midsize sedan known for comfort, reliability, and low drama ownership. Calling it a “discreet daily” highlights how the speaker uses a practical commuter car alongside their Porsche GT4.
"[1255.0s] start? Laguna Seca. You guys are both part of this. I guess. I don't know. I think so. Yeah."
Laguna Seca is a well-known race track in California. People love it because it’s challenging and it hosts lots of racing and car events.
Laguna Seca is a famous road course in Monterey, California, known for its challenging layout and the iconic “Corkscrew” corner. It’s a major venue for sports car racing and enthusiast events, so it often comes up in discussions about track days and race weekends.
"...you just pan it the whole way. Yeah, you just bounce off that rev limiter. That's the goal."
The rev limiter is like a safety cutoff that stops the engine from spinning too fast. “Bouncing off it” means you’re holding the engine right at that maximum RPM.
A rev limiter is an engine control feature that prevents the engine from exceeding a safe RPM. When you “bounce off” it, you’re intentionally keeping the engine at the maximum allowed speed to stay near the top of the powerband.
"It is a exciting, it's, it's an old Jaguar. So you say that people go, wow, but it's old and irrelevant way. It's a 2003 Jaguar S type R, which is kind of like an XJR"
The 2003 Jaguar S-Type R is a Jaguar sedan that’s been tuned to feel more like a performance car than a normal family sedan. It’s the “R” version, so it’s the sportier trim.
The 2003 Jaguar S-Type R is a performance-oriented version of the S-Type sedan, known for its V8 power and more aggressive tuning compared with standard S-Types. In this segment, it’s also described as sharing a platform relationship with the XJR.
"My sweet spot for daily drivers is over 10 years old, over 100,000 miles or near it. That's well maintained because that's the point where if everything's done, they're actually pretty decent cars."
They’re saying their favorite kind of daily driver is an older car with higher miles, as long as it’s been maintained. The idea is that good maintenance makes it feel stable even after lots of driving.
The speaker’s “sweet spot” is an older, higher-mileage daily driver—specifically over 10 years old and around/above 100,000 miles—arguing that if maintenance is done, the car can stay reliable and predictable. This is a common enthusiast approach: buy used, ensure service history, and drive it long-term.
"Because that's a really good automatic. It's like PDK, right?"
PDK is Porsche’s type of automatic transmission. It shifts quickly and feels sporty, without you having to manually change gears.
PDK stands for Porsche Doppelkupplung (German for “dual-clutch”). It’s Porsche’s dual-clutch automatic transmission system designed for fast, smooth gear changes and strong performance feel.
Concept
turbo vs NA (naturally aspirated)
"Some say it's turbo, some say it's an NA, you know,"
Turbo engines use a device to push extra air into the engine, usually boosting power. Naturally aspirated engines don’t use that boost, and they often feel more direct and predictable as you press the gas.
“Turbo” refers to forced induction, where a turbocharger increases air pressure into the engine for more power potential. “NA” (naturally aspirated) means the engine makes power without a turbo, often emphasizing linear throttle response and a different sound/feel.
"the trick, now the discussion is to keep it and actually do a custom wrap on it just to give it a whole new identity."
A custom wrap is a vinyl film applied over a vehicle’s paint to change its appearance without repainting. In the segment, it’s presented as a way to “re-identity” the car visually so it feels like a different vehicle.
"[2119.1s] red. Okay. Like arena? Paint to sample. Nope. It's a color I'd never heard of. It's a paint to sample
[2124.5s] color. Hey, Orga. And I have to show it to you."
Paint to sample means you can order a custom color instead of picking from the usual factory colors. The shop/maker matches the color you choose and applies it to your car.
“Paint to sample” (PTS) is a custom paint option where the buyer chooses a specific color—often from a swatch or even a custom reference—and the manufacturer matches it. It’s commonly used for rare or one-off colors that aren’t part of the standard palette.
"[2140.7s] Those are nice. That's awesome. Back to Rensport real quick. Do you think they're going to bring the
[2146.4s] Nürburgring? Oh, I hope so."
The Nürburgring is one of the most famous race tracks in the world, in Germany. It’s known for being tough and for being a place where people try to set impressive lap times.
The Nürburgring is a famous German motorsport circuit, especially known for the Nordschleife (“the North Loop”), which is often used as a benchmark for lap times. When people talk about bringing events “to the Nürburgring,” they’re usually referring to high-profile track action and record attempts.
"[2154.8s] Fast lap. Yes. It's like time attack. Portion of the time attack. Yeah. Right. If they hear it,
[2159.7s] it'd be disappointing if they didn't do it."
Time attack is when the goal is to set the quickest lap time. It’s more about speed and consistency on track than racing wheel-to-wheel for hours.
Time attack is a motorsport format focused on achieving the fastest single-lap time (or timed runs) rather than long-duration endurance strategy. The speaker compares the “fast lap” idea to time attack, implying a record attempt rather than a full race.
"[2168.2s] It could be an F1. It would be an F1 car. I think it'd be an F1. You're just throwing that out
[2171.5s] there. No, I think it would be. I think it would."
F1 is Formula 1, the highest level of open-wheel racing. People compare other cars to F1 because F1 cars are engineered to be extremely fast.
F1 refers to Formula 1, the top tier of open-wheel racing. In this discussion, F1 is used as a benchmark for ultimate speed and lap-time potential, with comparisons to prototype race cars.
"[2198.5s] No, I can get the stats on it. But they should bring it. They should regear it,
[2202.9s] and they should try to beat the lap record."
Regearing means adjusting the transmission’s gear ratios so the car’s engine hits the right RPM range at the right times. For a record attempt, that can make the car faster on that specific track.
“Regear it” means changing the gear ratios (typically via different ring-and-pinion ratios) to better match engine power/torque to the track’s speed profile. For lap records, the goal is often to keep the engine in its optimal power band for acceleration and top speed.
"[2202.9s] and they should try to beat the lap record. What is the lap record? Like 110? Oh, no. I think it's
[2209.1s] actually a minute, under a minute."
A lap record is the quickest time anyone has driven around a track. Beating it usually requires the car to be set up perfectly for that track.
A lap record is the fastest officially recognized lap time for a given track configuration and vehicle class. The conversation centers on whether a specific prototype could beat existing records and what it would take to do so (setup, gearing, and track-specific tuning).
"[2241.3s] And all F1 cars are still like, they have rules, you know? So it's a minute five"
F1 has strict rules that limit what teams can build. That’s why cars from different years can look and work very differently.
Formula 1 cars must comply with a constantly evolving rule set covering engine layout, energy storage, aerodynamics, and gearbox design. Those rules strongly shape what technology teams can use.
"[2316.8s] ...lithium ion battery in the energy recovery system. [2324.0s] Yeah. With a seven speed..."
An energy recovery system captures energy during driving events (commonly braking) and stores it for later use. In modern F1, ERS is a major part of how teams manage performance across a race.
"[2358.3s] ...Here's your budget. [2358.3s] How about a Porsche V4? That's interesting. I'll drop that in my 914."
They’re joking about putting a modern race-style engine idea into a Porsche 914. The 914 is known as a fun car to modify.
The speaker jokes about dropping an F1-style V4 concept into a Porsche 914. The 914 is a mid-engine Porsche from the late 1960s/early 1970s era, and it’s a popular platform for engine swaps.
"[2363.9s] Oh, yeah. Put that in a 944. Might actually sound good."
They’re also joking about putting that engine idea into a Porsche 944. The 944 is a popular car for people who like to tinker and upgrade.
The speaker continues the engine-swap joke by mentioning a Porsche 944 as another possible recipient for a “V4” idea. The 944 is a front-engine, transaxle Porsche that’s also commonly modified in the enthusiast community.
"And that did it to me. And I fell in love with the flat six and a mid-engine car."
“Flat six” describes an engine configuration where six cylinders are arranged horizontally in two banks, like a boxer. Porsche is famous for using flat-six engines, and enthusiasts often associate the layout with smoothness and a distinctive feel.
"And I fell in love with the flat six and a mid-engine car."
A mid-engine car puts the engine closer to the middle of the car. That usually helps the car feel more balanced when you turn.
A mid-engine car places the engine near the center of the vehicle, typically behind the driver and passenger. This improves weight distribution and can make handling feel more balanced and responsive.
"And then the whole suspension, H&R, springs and bars and fab speed exhaust and name it, you know."
H&R is a company that makes performance suspension parts. Springs and sway bars help the car handle better by keeping it flatter in corners.
H&R is an aftermarket suspension brand best known for springs and sway bars. In this context, it sounds like the car was upgraded with H&R suspension components to improve handling and reduce body roll.
"But we also did the light flywheel and the competition clutch and then the whole intake and exhaust side was done"
A light flywheel helps the engine spin up faster when you rev. The car can feel more responsive, but it can also feel a bit less smooth at low speeds.
A light flywheel reduces rotational mass, which can make the engine rev more quickly and feel more responsive. The tradeoff is that it can sometimes make the car less smooth at low speeds and may increase driveline sensitivity.
The frame is the car’s main skeleton. If it’s cracked, the car may not be safe and can be very expensive to fix correctly.
The frame is the vehicle’s main structural foundation that suspension and body components attach to. Cracking the frame is serious because it can compromise alignment, safety, and the car’s ability to be repaired to original strength.
"not normal if you drive a rear wheel drive car. It doesn't mean they're bad. They're just different."
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels do the pushing. That changes how the car grips and turns, especially on wet or slippery roads.
Rear-wheel drive (RWD) sends power to the back wheels, which changes how the car behaves when you accelerate and when traction is limited. Compared to front- or all-wheel drive, it often feels more “tail-in” and can show different balance issues like understeer or oversteer depending on setup and tires.
"it was a little wet out and it would understeer, which most Porsche guys hate, but it would have this insane, you could early apex something and it would just grab and claw its way out of a corner."
Understeer is when you turn the steering wheel and the car doesn’t rotate enough—it tends to go wide. It usually happens when the front tires lose grip.
Understeer is when the car turns less than you expect—typically the front tires lose grip first. It’s often discussed as a “bad” feel for performance driving, but whether it’s desirable depends on the car’s balance, tires, and driving style.
"flush mounted door handles. And when they pop them out, it has this really nice like aluminum."
Flush door handles are built so they sit almost flat with the car’s body. They look sleeker and can help the car move through the air more smoothly.
Flush mounted door handles sit nearly even with the bodywork instead of protruding. This usually improves aerodynamics and gives a cleaner, more modern appearance, especially on custom or coachbuilt cars.
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Can you imagine like his I'd be inside his little white on gray Toyota camera?
Egas idle vehiculum. There's no doubt Corvettes are fast, but I'm riding dirty right now.
The croc GT4. The one and only hashtag Don Patrol. Hashtag senior citizen. All right,
it's fired. Welcome to driving awesome. My name is Warren. I am Lane and I work for a
special episode Lane. Yeah, this is a special episode. So our friend Phil croc GT4 just left
Earth and we are so for this week we're gonna reair an episode we did with him. I don't even know
how many years this is. This was a go. I was gonna look. It's episode number 377. I know that.
And we recorded this episode with with him Phil and Paul of auto kennel at Phil's house
during car week in Carmel several years ago. So I think it was pre I know it was pre COVID.
Yeah. So probably around 2019 ish or so. I know that Phil is famous. So for those of you that
don't know Phil croc GT4 on Instagram, he just lost his battle with cancer the other day. And
he is kind of famous for well, he's been on a bunch of our rallies and you know, he touched a lot
of lives and a lot of people a lot of people in our community. But he's famous for Dom Patrol
and driving this the wheels off of this GT4 Porsche he had. And he moved to Carmel about 10
years ago. And almost every morning that he could he would wake up at dawn 4 30 in the morning and
drive down how we want as far as he could and go to breakfast and drive back. And he bought this
GT4 new. And I know when he stopped driving it and and moved it on to a friend of ours. What a year
and a half ago or a year ago, it had around 180,000 miles on it, I believe. And it has like 190 now
something like that. And when we recorded this episode, I believe it had 50,000 miles on it.
Yeah. Yeah. And this was actually a second GT4. And he talks about that in this podcast, I believe
the first one he bought, he wasn't able to spec himself. So he he just bought it off the lot.
And then and he had ordered one. So when his ordered car came in, he sold his other one to
another friend of ours actually, Richard Chen. Does he still have that Richard? Yeah, I believe
so. I think it does, right? And yeah, so this is this. So we're going to we're going to publish
this this show in honor of our good friend, Phil Basil. And yeah, anything else to say? I mean,
any any good stories about Phil or anything you guys want to mention? I was going to say that for
some of the for for some of the followers on Instagram and listeners of the podcast that may
not know Phil and we're following our feeds. It was a little confusing because there was a lot of
posts going on and Phil was commenting on it because he had chosen to, you know, basically
pull the plug assisted suicide here in California. And so there was a date and a time that this
was happening. So it's a very surreal and tough week because he was of sound mind. You could call
him and talk to him and and see him and hang out like Lane did and I was able to talk to him. But
it's very different than someone who is, you know, really sick and basically just suffering.
And then it ends. So it's it's tough because you're like, well, can he just stick around a little
longer? You know, and hey, the rally's coming up like, why don't you come on one last rally and
one last car week? But he wasn't he wasn't doing great. So that was surreal. And just the listeners
know that's what happened. And then, you know, we we've talked about this before, but he was
a late addition to our rally early on our first rally, second round, sorry, second rally.
But it was a similar setup to our first one. But at any rate, we got word that a last last minute
arrival in a Porsche GT4 is showing up that we don't know. And it was, we were a little skeptical.
I think at least I was like, who is this guy? You know, we're, we're here in like five to
$10,000 cars. And there's this guy coming with his brand new fancy Porsche. But of course,
it turns out that he's super down to earth and does it for all the right reasons. And we were
fast friends. So we've had a lot of good times together, at least, you know, myself and his
good friend, Kevin, who took over the Porsche GT4 ownership and basically stood by his side
for this last, geez, like year and has been an amazing part of that whole, whole story. But
yeah, we had a lot of great rallies, a lot of great just hangs and
Radwood and all the stuff and Santa Cruz that we've done and Phil's been super supportive. So
what I was going going to say is that, you know, as we do all these events and, you know, even the
podcast, it's, we wouldn't do it unless we had a killer community around it. Like it's, we don't
do it for the money. I just put it that way. And if, if people showed up that were, you know,
lame to hang around and just a pain in the ass and not part of what we're, we're trying to do,
we wouldn't probably keep doing it. We'd be over it. Like, I think we all be like, that sucked.
Like, no, we wouldn't, it's not that we wouldn't probably do it. We would not do it. Like,
DWA is strictly started and we do it for fun. Yeah, it's a passion project and it only makes
sense when you have people like this, like Phil and all the people that have been kind of rallying
around him in the last, you know, couple months and years that we keep doing it. So, you know,
just wanted to say thank you to people who follow us and come on our crazy adventures and want to
say about that. Yeah. That's it. And that's all. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, you guys pretty covered
a lot of it. But I think that the, it's natural, obviously to be sad and to, to be, you know,
super bummed out about this, right? Losing someone who was a genuinely an awesome human being,
you know, and like, that's, that's just the way, you know, it is, and we have to deal and like,
and I kept thinking about this because it's super surreal, right? As you're describing from the,
the fact that you're, you're talking to him, you know, and thanking him for being who he is and,
and, you know, and just, you know, it's, this is the end of the road and like, and then of course
it ends and that's it. And like, then it takes a while for it to set in, right? You're like, oh,
shit, he's gone, you know, and it's like, and it's really rough. But at the same time, like,
this is why, like when I, when I posted, you know, I reposted that awesome video from,
from cartels that Paolo made with him, you know, him tracking his, his GT4 but Joss behind the
wheel down highway one. And I was thinking like, no, like this is, Phil would want us to be stoked
and to be happy and, and for what you said, right? For like the relationships and the community and,
and ultimately, like his legacy is like, do what you love as much as you can because life is short,
right? And so we, I know we try to do that as much as we can, right? We try to have a balanced life
and, you know, but I mean, really, really doing it like is, is, is hard in many, many ways, you
know, especially when you're, you know, there's financial obligations and there's, you know,
work and family, but like he pulled it off really well. And it's, you know, it's obviously super
commendable and he was a great example in that way. So, so we have to, you know, continue in
honoring him to continue honoring him that way rather because, you know, that's, that's what
he would want, you know? And so, you know, as we go into this rally, I know, like, you know,
we're all going to miss him, but like, I just want like, like, at least from my perspective,
you know, like it's this, this is like, it was his choice and like, you know, and, and he ended
life on his terms. Ultimately, you know, of course, it could have been more drawn out, but
he didn't want to suffer. He didn't want his family to suffer and see him, you know, deal with this.
And so I think it's ultimately, you know, it's, it's for us to celebrate his life and, and we're,
we're doing it. And we're literally out there, you know, playing with our toys and doing what we
love the most. And it's hanging out with our friends and driving our cars. So it's, it's a
incredible how this is all lining up, lining up timing wise, right? As we go into our rally. So,
yeah, I look forward to seeing all of our buds and hanging out with them because,
you know, outside of, you know, spending time with my family, like my personal real blood family,
right? It's like, this is the one thing we look forward to the most. And it's, it's, it's doing
this thing that we were also passionate about together and, and just, just smiling and having a
good time. Yeah. And I would say the most, you know, as much as I want him on the rally,
we have to remember that he didn't drive an old car. That son of a gun was a new shit. He wanted
the spec'd out stuff. He couldn't even go anyways. Right. Dude. Yeah. So that actually has me thinking.
Yeah. I don't know. Like is, I don't know if he talked to Joss yet. Is, is this car going to
make an appearance? I don't think for the rally this time, but he will, you know, Kevin will be
there and I'm sure we'll have some good fireside chats. So Kevin, and I don't know if Kevin,
I don't know if he's going to bring out, you know, Phil was a competitive, it turns out,
Phil was a competitive competition tent flyer. No kite. Kite flyer. Sorry.
Kite flyer, synchronized kite flyer, and Kevin owns all the kites now. I keep saying kites now.
So maybe he'll bring the kites out. Oh, tent fly. You really say tent fly over. Yeah. We try to
happen at Redwoods, right? Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. But getting back, you know what, I was,
I was thinking when you were talking to Art, the one thing also that Croc, he,
it's, it is the balance between this whole, like this whole community. It is like the car family
and real family too. It's like, and he, the last thing he did say to me was, you know, it was surreal
because we were texting up until like, basically he died. We were texting that whole day. He,
before he took his milkshake and he, he texts me that his family, you know, his kids and grandkids
were his world. And that's what he, like the last thing he texts me. And it's like, you know,
that's like such a heavy thing, right? And he sent me like a picture of him and his grandkids.
That you took, right? You took a beautiful photo of them. No, he sent me, that was him and his kids,
but he said, he had sent me a picture of him and his grandkids. But, um, yeah, but it was cool.
Like, cause he's also, his kids to see, for them to see how celebrated he was, it was pretty amazing.
Like they were like blown away by it. Like, I don't know if you saw the message that came in
the DWA that his daughter sent. She sent it to me, but, but like it's on DWA on Instagram,
but, um, it was DM'd us, but, um, yeah, it's like, she was just like,
like she was just blown away by this whole, oh, and I did want to mention, so I, I threw it out,
you know, we made these, these crock stickers of the duck. So famously, um, he had this,
this duck flipping this, this rubber ducky from, I think they're from Holland, right?
Yeah. There's someone, I think you're right. Yeah. In his car. And I think his grand kid gave him
to him or his daughter or something like that. And he would always post it when he drove down
highway one. So that became kind of a symbol of, of, of crock of Phil. So when we had this party a
while ago, I had made these, I had drawn up this duck and made these stickers, you know, this duck
flipping, flipping the bird flipping off the flip in the bird. And then it just says crock
on the, on the sticker and I actually printed them out and I forgot to bring them to the,
the party we had for them. So, um, I put it out there that, you know, if anyone wanted these
stickers, you know, DM us and we'll send them out to you. Dude, how many, that's why I didn't see
that message. It's been like nonstop, man. It was, it was just a, all it was, it was a story,
right? Stories are fleeting, right? They disappear with like 24 hours. I don't know 12 hours. I
don't know how long they last for 200 and 220. I believe whoa all over, all over the world. Dude,
he's way better at writing than I am. Um, and yeah, uh, so yeah, but it's pretty wild. Like
the impact that, that Phil had and like how many people, you know, a lot of people are like, I've
never met him, but you know, I loved hear like a lot of people that are like, I just loved hearing
stories about him on the podcast or I love, you know, I love this or, you know, people that like
loved following him from afar, he inspired them to go drive, you know, whatever, like,
or they met him one time and shook his hand or, you know, people that we, that are, were friends
with like William Allen talking about him and, you know, that, you know, people that barely knew
him or people that did know him well and, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah, he was definitely an
inspiration for the, the entire get out and drive movement, you know, like, and he was doing it in
such an epic place. The, the place where we recorded this episode was on Rio road and it's
right at the very last neighborhood of Carmel before you can jump on to highway one south
and he couldn't have lived in a much better spot. Um, I'm sure what's better, the house he lives in
right now or the house he lived in on highway one. Yeah. But his neighbors probably love the
five a.m. wakeups without exhaust, but there's a great video of him, you know, like you were
saying that Paolo did back in the day and then there's this, this new helicopter footage and
stuff, which is so cool. But hopefully you guys get to take a look at it and without further delay,
here's Phil. And the repair for the, the repair it was like three grand. Did you say
a parrot repair, repair it, repair it. It might be able to make a business, just a lot of birds.
You have to get reused ones or repair it, repair it. So Phil, grab that mic. The only thing you
need to know is the mic has to be nearly touching your lips. Yeah. And if you needed to leave,
you can't turn a mic off because we're on two channels and we're all sharing. So if you turn
one mic off, it shuts the whole channel off. I'll definitely leave them on. Who do I get to shut off?
You get to shut Warren off, I believe. Welcome to Driving Well Awesome. My name is Warren. I'm Paul.
I'm Lane. I'm Phil. This is a special Carmel edition. Phil is nice enough to host us at his
home here in Carmel. Is this Carmel Valley? Carmel? No, Carmel. Carmel. Where's the cutoff?
The valley is north. It gets wider as you go further. You head east. Wider that way.
Hotter. Hotter. Hotter that way. And this isn't Carmel by the sea. It is Carmel by the sea.
This is. Yeah. Not Carmel. And the temperature diff is like 20 to 25 degrees hotter right now
by Bernardus. That's right. Right. And it just really like. Isn't that crazy? It's like a degree
a mile probably. Yeah. It's insane. So this is a DW podcast post Carmel concours and post
Laguna Sanka. Laguna Sanka. Laguna Sanka camping trip. Which sugar please? Yeah. It's been so,
it's been so amazing. I can't even talk. Concours on the avenue. But maybe we should first start
by introducing our guests. Paul. Yeah. Hi, I'm Paul Kramer from Auto Kennel. And your Instagram is
Auto Kennel. Geez. Wow. Imagine that. How convenient. No underscore.
And what do you do at Auto Kennel? Is that a dog grooming or? Yeah. We automatically take care of
your animals when you're gone. You don't even have to call us. We actually, I'd say in the last
year, stopped getting dog and animal kennel calls. Or magazines. Like dog grooming. Yeah.
It's myself and my dad Ed, who I don't think you've met. I have on the half day rally. Okay.
That's right. That's right. They have to not impress, which I'm awesome, but we're still
winning them over. Podcast by podcast. Yeah. You're not the only one. So anyway, and about
almost 15 years ago, started Auto Kennel, which is a dealership that focuses strictly on consignment,
mostly Porsches, but a lot of other stuff, including mostly European. Seen some BMWs.
I love German. Yeah. Love German stuff. Will dabble a little bit in the British or Italian.
Yeah. I saw a Land Rover there. And then I'm reminded again, why I should stay with German cars.
The Citroën threw you off. I know and I own a French car and a daily driver's a British car,
so go figure. Yeah. And you had a Ferrari when I was there last. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I
would say 80% German and then the other 20%, which is fun because then you, it's like you get to
appreciate what you have. You forget sometimes, you get so used to driving Porsches and BMWs and
Volkswagen's and Audi's and you forget that an 80s version of that was really a remarkable car.
Yeah. And then you get an 80s Jag, horrible, or a 308. Well, we just had an episode where we're
trying to pick English equivalents of our cars, you know, of the era and it was almost impossible.
I mean, that was a struggle. Yeah. And I honestly don't think the Ford,
British Ford counts. I don't think that's what I was saying. It's too easy. I know. I think you're
right. I don't think they had anything that was reasonably interesting. TR6. Yeah. That was about,
that was my favorite. Yeah. And that's older. Oh, there's nothing from the 80s. No, I don't even
know what rovers are. I know, I know. Yeah, exactly. We'll get more on that in a moment. Some guys
you messed up. You messed so many. No, no, he did send us some rover models and I was like,
this is pretty cool. I thought of one when you were at Jensen Healy. No one brought the Jensen
Healy. Yeah, that's true. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Imagine keeping those cars.
Enough about British cars. Let's get to our other special guest, Mr. Kroc. Go ahead and introduce
yourself. So I'm Phil Basil and my Instagram handle is Kroc GT4. The Kroc GT4. The one
only. Hashtag Don Patrol. Hashtag Senior Citizen. ARP. Hashtag AARP. Yeah. What are you driving
these days, Phil? Driving a Shark Works GT4 2016 that just crossed 51,700 miles in two years.
And the one, the GT4 you had prior to that? 10,000 on that one. So it's a lot of GT4 miles.
A lot of GT4 miles. That's your only car. Daily driver. Actually, I have a daily.
Wait, do you have a daily? I do. What do you have? Yeah. I've got the most discreet daily you can
imagine. A white on gray Toyota Camry. Oh, yeah. What year? 2007. I did not know this. Oh, yeah.
That's the car I need to drive to the bar at night. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. To get home without
getting wet. I could almost have another career as an Uber. That sounds like the perfect Uber,
but I thought about that, actually. But I think I'd use the GT4 for the Uber.
Oh, that would be amazing. Good tips. Yeah, really good tips. Where did you go on road on your way home?
Oh, man. You need one person per ride. Well, thanks for joining us, both of you. Where should we
start? Laguna Seca. You guys are both part of this. I guess. I don't know. I think so. Yeah.
Laguna Seca Recap, our fourth year of camping while awesome and a really good turnout,
good cars. Have you been to the track, but have you done the historic? The reunion? Never
done the prehistoric. Is that what they're called? Pre-reunion now. They used to be a
prehistoric. Because now it's called the Monterey Reunion, not the historic. It's even worse than
that. It's the Monterey Sports Car Reunion Historic Rolex Pre-Reunion. It's like a NASCAR driver.
By weather tech. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Formerly Mazda sponsored by Lexus. Yeah. They can actually
put all of that on one hat. Oh, man. And then you throw Laguna Seca in somewhere? Or Senca?
Senca. I think that's what it's called now. So what were your impressions?
That was great. I mean, I'm glad you guys did it because that was the one event. I've come up to
Monterey for 20 years and you get in this habit of doing the same things, seeing the same cars.
And I wasn't going to make it this year. When you guys said you were doing the camping,
I thought this is a good excuse to finally do the prehistoric. And I was talking to my dad on the
phone today and I just said, we're going to have to shift our whole automotive calendar for
Monterey Car Week because I think that was easily as good, if not better,
than the following weekend because certainly you don't have the crowds. But the biggest thing I saw,
you know, we used to go Saturday to the regular Monterey Historic Reunion, whatever.
Yeah. And that was just basically hell. I mean, there were so many. We would get there super
early, hit vendor row, and we just had this whole program and we really didn't get enough racing.
You just didn't get enough of anything. So then we switched to going to Sundays and it was better.
Yeah, Sunday is good. Sunday is not bad. This is like a Sunday. This is like the whole weekend is
a fourth of a Sunday. Yeah. And the biggest thing I saw was I got to talk to so many guys who own
these cars. They were way more, it's not that they aren't approachable, they're just bombarded.
Dude, they're not tired of talking to people yet either. They haven't heard all those questions.
Yep. Right. The questions you want to ask them, like stuff like that. They haven't heard all that
before. It's all fresh. They want to talk. They might even want to like open up and tell you
about the car. You're looking at it. They're like, oh, you know, like Brian, little 10-year-old,
was sitting in F1 cars. It was an Alain Pro's car. Yeah. He just hounded him enough to where the
guy's like, well, do you want to sit? Giving shock assembles. Do you want to sit in it? And
anything getting in? No. That'd be scary. Yeah. He didn't exactly look at me and go,
yeah, you get in there. Yeah. Lube up. Yeah, exactly. Lube up.
Phil, have you been to the pre-reunion before? I have been to the pre. And I think it's,
in a lot of ways, it is like Conqueror on the Avenue where it's that event during the week
that you just don't want to miss. I mean, you could skip almost everything else,
see those two bits, and go away really happy and not deal with so much bullshit. Yeah.
Monterey was just those two things. You could make a case for going, right? I am doing it.
That's exactly it. And you'd spend almost $0. That's right. And you wouldn't have to go to
Exotics on Canary Row. Yeah. You did that, didn't you? He made that mistake. I got an invite for
that. I was going to afford it to you. Phil and I had a, we had a long text message chain about it
where I was like, how fun your glow sticks, Phil. Did you shame him? Yeah, I was shaming him.
He's like, I'm going to check it out. I felt like I was a hundred years old. Yeah, he went
last year and Ali went too. Yeah. And I remember I was like shaming Ali about it too. Well, I felt
bad about it because at the time my son was 24 last year. And so he was so stoked to, you know,
that his dad's car is in Exotics on Canary Row. Yeah. And I mean, I have to admit, it was fun,
but it's just not my crowd. Yeah. I mean, it's like, why is the prehistoric so much fun? It's,
you know, you go up to turn six and hang out with the DWA family and it's like, you're home. Yeah.
So, yeah, it's a different deal. It is. It is. Different deal. Well, different.
You didn't do a burnout at the Exotics. He just revved his engine. Sweet.
No, you just pan it the whole way. Yeah, you just bounce off that rev limiter. That's the goal.
I almost went deaf. Three cars to the left of me were doing rev offs like over a course of an hour.
You did it like three times. And I think the third time I just looked at my son and go,
dude, I cannot take this anymore. You know, I remember I saw something. It was a guy, no,
any, someone commented about like having a rev off with him and he says,
I've never been beat at a rev off. Like, like he's going to win.
How do you win a rev off? That's a subjective question. Do you like run the DME?
Yeah, you're like, you had dangerous, even more dangerous ones. So I think you win.
That's so weird. Yeah, it's a weird thing.
Advertise this year, but I'm sure it's still happening.
It is. Actually, I got a text while we're walking around today of a friend asking me if I was going
to be going. This is a friend of yours? A guy I know. Yeah, let's be clear. Well, good old what's
his name? Do you know how many names after remember? So you drove, tell the listeners what you drove up.
It is a exciting, it's, it's an old Jaguar. So you say that people go, wow,
but it's old and irrelevant way. It's a 2003 Jaguar S type R, which is kind of like an XJR
same platform, just different Lincoln LS body. And actually I've sold it four times. This is
exact car. Dude, that should be your license plate boomerang boomerang.
And each time I get it, I would say, I really should keep this car. The first time I traded it
for a GT, an 04 GT3 I owned, and it was only three years old and it's for a POC guy and had 30,000
miles. And I'm like, yeah, I really don't need to keep this car. Had too many cars and it couldn't
justify another. I love daily drivers, just the concept of them and sold to a friend. He had it
for a year and everything about the car is great. You sat in it, Lane. It's really comfortable.
I sat in the back seat too. I was in the back seat. It's great. It's comfortable.
My sweet spot for daily drivers is over 10 years old, over 100,000 miles or near it.
That's well maintained because that's the point where if everything's done, they're actually
pretty decent cars. And I can go add 20,000 miles and it just doesn't change anything. It's the same
value. And it was actually not when I said that to everyone, I said, and I made it up here and
they're like, wow, he made it up in an old Jag. But no, it was very comfortable because I camera
last time I only took the 101 up and back. Yeah, right. And, and like we were talking about, you
know, I'm getting ready to leave on a, you know, five, four, five o'clock to head back to LA.
I don't think I'd want to be in the Citroën or an old 911. At least you, yeah, you definitely
want to like break up the drive and take it slow. By the way, I saw a D, was it a D2?
I don't know, D21 Citroën? No, the convertible. Convertible. Maybe it was a DS. Oh, here in Monterey.
It's like a DS, right? Or it's a different nomenclature. But cabriolet. Yeah, it's the DS
body, you know, convertible. Was it red? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. That's so cool.
Here's the DS 21. So here's an amazing thing. Let's say a nice, a really like similar condition to
my SM of just the four-door sedan is probably, let's see, where was that? Don't worry about it.
Oh, hey, take it easy. So like, so I think like a nice high level driver sedan is probably 30 to
40,000. That's pretty high level. Yes. For a good, a really good one. And I'd say the convertibles,
I think they're over 200. Wow. Is that an auction car? Was that going? No, no. It was all patina
and 30. It was a total driver, which is cool. Yeah. It had weird plates too, like Nebraska or
something. They did make like four or five SM convertibles. Really? No way. Factory? Yeah,
they were factory. Washington plates. They were, one of them was for a government type thing, but
it kind of goes online. I can make yours in there convertible. Really? Yeah. Like give it to Art.
Yeah, I got saws all. But then the Euro version of this, there's something different about,
maybe it's a different year, early the convertibles that had something different about it. Some
I don't know. I'm just embracing the French lifestyle. I'm talking to you like you are basically
no, I still don't know what the hell I'm doing with that car, but I did go to the
the Mullen Museum, which is all French cars. So I feel like
that's one of my 12 step program. Is that the one in Santa Barbara? It's in
Oxford. It's actually, we talked about it in Otis Chandler's old building. Do you
ever remember the Otis Chandler story? So he's part of the Times. Yeah, LA Times. LA Times.
Huge car collector. And I remember as a kid, it was one of the first like car museums I went to,
not the LA auto show kind of stuff. I mean, this was in the early 80s. And you go out to
Oxnard's office building and you go inside and he was collecting insanely rare, super low mile
original muscle cars. Like you'd see a Dodge Challenger with the big wing, the Roadrunner
version with like under 40 miles. And there was like row and row and row after that,
he sold a whole collection of eras. I had a picture of me next to the one Porsche he had,
which is 73 RS, which ironically, almost 30 years later, one of my friends and clients,
Chris O'Donnell, ended up with that car. Wow. And I, yeah. Hey, here's a picture. I was smaller.
Yeah. Phil, do you have any interest in French cars? You're gonna want to sit you on some day?
No. I do not. I don't know if I could ever bring myself to drive a French car, to be honest.
Other than Toyota Camrys, if you're going to go non-Porsche, what would you get?
Because I know you're, for those who don't know, Phil, pretty big Porsche guy. What's your vest
there right now? The vest you're wearing? Oh, that Porsche vest? Yeah. No. I'm trying to think
what I would even consider today because, you know, once this Porsche is in your bloodstream,
it is so hard to get out. What would you replace the Camry with? Let's say the Camry,
that's a good, that's a good replacement. Okay. Well, actually, so looking actually at a new daily
now, and I've been going back and forth between a GTI or a Type R, maybe one of the new color
programs. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. A Golf R. Yeah. A Golf R. But it has to have, I'm sorry to
say, it's got to have an automatic gearbox because I need a car desk and drive, you know, family
coming down and I don't want to put them in something that they're not probably a good car
to get an automatic in, really. Yeah. Because that's a really good automatic. It's like PDK,
right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, the other car, of course, and it remains to be seen, but what happens with
the new GT4 that we may see at Rensport, by the way, and of course, the jury's still out on what
that motor is going to be. Yeah, right. Some say it's turbo, some say it's an NA, you know,
39 or 40 motor. And there is another motor that apparently Porsche has never sold
that is an NA flat six that I believe I recall it to be 39 or four. I can't remember.
I won't say where I got this information, but the motor was fully developed, fully tested.
Brett Enger called you up. But this is an engine that Porsche has never sold,
but just sitting on the back pocket. Interesting. Right. And so if you think about the GT3, GT4
issues of today and like, what's the big dog and how close are you going to let the little dog run?
Yeah. It might be a step across the boundary where they could bring that motor, right? And that way,
they can say to the GT3 guys, don't worry, boys, we didn't put your motor in a Cayman.
You're right. Right. So who knows? But you know, the problem for me is to think about ever getting
rid of this car. I mean, this car isn't my trust for my son. It's that much apart, you know,
my adult life. It's kind of part of your identity at this point, right?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, big deal to get rid of it.
It's your Instagram name. What do you do?
What is that? Well, now the trick, now the discussion is to keep it and actually do a
custom wrap on it just to give it a whole new identity. So it feels like a completely different
car. I know where you're going. Because honestly, you know, when you see, you guys have all seen
the car, the stripe kit that came from KI Studios, that Kevin at AutoWorks detailing put on for me,
just changed the appearance of that car so much, and people react to it so differently than they
did before that was done. Oh, it's interesting. Yeah. I mean, it makes it into like that car.
I know that car. What wrap would you do? Would it be a change in the whole color?
Yes. Any color? Right now, there's about four that interest me going from the extreme of some
of the wild greens that are really starting to grow on. Like acid green kind of green?
Or viper? Oh, throwback kind of. Yeah. Yeah, viper green is with some other color treatment to go with.
No Casablanca beige metallic. You know, actually, it's a pretty horrible color. Did you see, I've
forgotten what the colors call, but I saw a GT3 Touring. There's a guy that follows me on Instagram
and I met him today for the first time. It's this deep. It's not a purple. It's like a purplish
red. Okay. Like arena? Paint to sample. Nope. It's a color I'd never heard of. It's a paint to sample
color. Hey, Orga. And I have to show it to you. I have to show you a picture of this car. It was
absolutely one of the best PTS colors ever. What was this on? What kind of car?
Brand new. In fact, delivered two days ago GT3 Touring. Oh, wow. Okay. Cool. Yeah, manual. Those
are nice. That's awesome. Back to Rensport real quick. Do you think they're going to bring the
Nürburgring? Oh, I hope so. What is it? 918? What is it? The 919, right? The record setting car.
Fast lap. Yes. It's like time attack. Portion of the time attack. Yeah. Right. If they hear it,
it'd be disappointing if they didn't do it. Right? Yeah. And then they got to set the
record at Laguna Seca. I don't think they can. It'd be so awesome. Because it'd be up against F1.
It could be an F1. It would be an F1 car. I think it'd be an F1. You're just throwing that out
there. No, I think it would be. I think it would. F1 cars would be faster if they could get arrow
over the wheels. Yeah, it doesn't have the arrow. That's right. The F1 cars don't have the arrow.
But they're fucking light and crazy high revving, but they don't have four wheel drive too. Because
that thing's four wheel drive, correct? No. Oh, it isn't. I don't know. And I remember hearing that
this thing was, there was some stat. They were saying it's like faster than an F1 car. How much
does that thing make? Correct. That's what I don't know. Do you know what it weighs, Phil?
No, I can get the stats on it. But they should bring it. They should regear it,
and they should try to beat the lap record. What is the lap record? Like 110? Oh, no. I think it's
actually a minute, under a minute. It's an F1 car. Was that when the Monterrey Historics,
they had Ferrari. Now we're just talking out of our ass. No, but there was a Ferrari day thing,
where they brought a bunch of Ferraris and then F1. But they also brought another team brought
it. It was a Toyota. Toyota did, yeah. And that set the record. But I believe the Ferrari broke
it again. But both are F1 cars. And I think the Porsche could do it, but it would have to be
really dialed for that track. Well, that's the thing. That car is like no rules, dude. I know.
And all F1 cars are still like, they have rules, you know? So it's a minute five
in the Ferrari. 2003. Oh, it's three. Think of that. 15 years old. Who's the driver? Oh,
and then it says 2012. Who's the dude? It's Marc Genet, who I don't think is a real F1.
Who's Marc Genet? Maybe it was a practice driver. Yeah, I think he was, he might have been a backup
driver. Was he like a team like Minardi? Maybe. Because I, you know, that's one of those things,
you probably get an old F1 driver or something to do it. Yeah. Yeah. One of five Marc Genet,
Scuderia Ferrari. It says Ferrari 2003 GA. And then it has a comma that says 2012. So maybe they
did it in 2012. I was going to say in a 2003 car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it was. Yeah.
And I mean, 2003 is a 2003 F1 car, probably faster than a modern F1 car. I mean, I bet it is,
right? So start a DWA pool if they're going to bring the car. Yeah. What'll it do? Well,
we were trying to start a rumor three podcasts ago that they should bring it, but I don't know.
I don't know how to talk to about that. Well, one of the things interesting to me when I first
read about that car was that it's only a four cylinder. Is it really? Yeah. So the specs are,
it's a two liter direct injected turbocharged V4 with lithium ion battery in the energy
recovery system. Yeah. With a seven speed hydraulically activated sequential gearbox
with a rear lock differential weight is 875 kilos on 1,920 pounds. Yeah. And now that's the generic
spec, the race spec before they did all these mods. Oh, it's got to be fast. Okay. So God knows
what all was done. They took the headlights out. Yeah. And they're able to out arrow and do all
this crazy stuff that they were able to do before batteries. Yeah. Yeah. Because they basically
said like make like engineers do what you would like to do to this car. Here's your budget.
How about a Porsche V4? That's interesting. I'll drop that in my 914.
Oh, yeah. Put that in a 944. Might actually sound good. Yeah. When are 914, when are like 914
guys going to start swapping in the new boxer motor? I was funny. I've been waiting for that.
Like, I want a pain in the ass that is. Why? Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Really?
A Buick V6's, dude. I know. We had a guy autocross. He had an Eclipse turbo. Remember
the Eclipse turbo? Yeah, of course. That thing would do the outrageous one lap. And then halfway
to the second lap, dead, dead. That's interesting. You know what I want to... We've known Kroc for
a little while now, Phil. What's your car history, Phil? Oh, Jesus. You're really going to ask me
that question. Well, I mean, I just wondering... How about the girl old I am? You really expect me
to remember all this? How about Greatest Hits? Yeah. How about First Car? If you're playing a
concert, you know, at Madison Square Garden. What's your mixtape of cars? First car was a 49 Volkswagen.
Okay. Split window. Split window. Right. From there, it was a 55 Dodge 300 tree businessman's
coupe. Oh, cool. Yeah. And that was like, I was 12 at that time. This is driving it out of my
grandfather's property in southern Ohio. Okay, Ohio. Got a road running around the property. So
that's where I learned to drive a manual. And then from, I would say the 49 Dodge Woody stood out
in my mind from living in the hate Ashbury back in the day. Where you drove a 49 Woody. 49 Dodge
Woody. In hate Ashbury. And what era? What year was this? This is 1971. Oh my God. Are there
pictures? Petroleum oil in the back. Of course. Plants in the windows. I'm surprised you did
just have petroleum oil in the motor. Hair down to my ass. Yeah, those were fun days.
She looked like Radwood LA. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. But then when I could afford cars, I guess I
had what, the 3M3s. I've had an Audi TT, Quattro Turbo. That was kind of fun.
A Mercedes 190 E2316. Uh-huh. Cosworth. That's cool. That was a fun car. I mean, it was not the most
reliable car, but it was a fun car. And then I got into Porsches. And the first Porsche was an
06 Cayman S. And that did it to me. And I fell in love with the flat six and a mid-engine car.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. No, right here. Eat that thing. Gotta eat this thing. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.
It just makes it better. Other than that, I've had a number of other cars in my life, but those
are probably the most fun ones. So, 06 Cayman S. And you bought that new? No. I bought it with
6,800 miles on it during the recession. Virtually new. The last big recession hit. So,
you bought it in like 08? Well, it was, yeah. About an 08, the car was on eBay. This guy had
six figures in the car, which is kind of hard to imagine that you could do that. Yeah. But he
specced it with everything you could do from the factory. And then the whole suspension,
H&R, springs and bars and fab speed exhaust and name it, you know. It was fun. That's cool. And
then you went straight from that to the GT4? To the first GT4. Wow. Cool. And then the reason you
bought the second GT4 was because you had ordered that one and you wanted one in the meantime,
right? So, you bought this other one to like fill the gap kind of thing? No, it wasn't to fill the
gap. It was, I didn't think I was going to get the allocation for the car that I had. Okay. So,
I found this car on eBay one morning. It was habit of getting up every morning and checking
eBay for a GT4. And sure enough, finally, after several weeks, one turned up. And the car was
in Charleston, South Carolina. It had 70 miles on it. And it was a guy that bought the car. He was
an older podiatrist. And he did it so to increase his chance to get an allocation for a GT3 RS.
So, it was a flip. Yeah. So, I paid up for the car, called the guy on the phone, you know,
and said, dude, I want the car. I'll be there tomorrow. So, it was wire the money, get on
an airplane the next morning, drove it down to Daytona Beach, Florida, shipped it to Burbank
Airport. And then flew down to Burbank, picked the car up and drove it up Coast Highway under a
full moon. I will never forget that night. And that's because I'd never driven a GT4, you know,
to that point. Yeah, you were, I mean, there were none to drive. The first you drove was yours.
The first I drove was mine. Yeah. And yeah. And that's what nailed it. And then
this one has been just absolutely flawless. Yeah. And Shark Works did the beautiful things to it
that made it what it is today. So, yeah, they did their, you didn't get the next set of gears,
right? You got their first step. I got their first step. I've got third, fourth, and fifth.
That's right. We're changed. Okay. But we also did the light flywheel and the competition clutch
and then the whole intake and exhaust side was done and a new LSD that's much, much, much better
than the factory LSD. Yeah. And then a good tune on it and car graphics headers and on and on,
you know, pretty much everything that was available, it was everything that was available.
Yeah. At the time for that motor and gearbox. It's pretty sweet. And it's a sweet car to drive.
It's a perfect car for Don Patrol on Highway 1. Yeah. So, yeah, so famously from Kroc over here
is been terrorizing Highway 1 South while the closure was going down. So, how has it since
that opened up? You know, the first week after Highway 1 reopened, it was as though there was no
change. It was like people didn't really get it yet. They didn't trust that it was really open.
Yeah. So, there was no traffic. Yeah. So, about a week ago, going down, because I usually leave
six in the morning. How often do you do it? Once a week? Oh, three, four times a week. Yeah.
Oh, so envious. I know. Well, dude, I mean, how do you get 51,000 miles on a car in two years?
You also do the, he's like, all of a sudden you see, you see Phil at like a cars and coffee on a
Saturday. And then on Wednesday, you see this like Instagram that he's up and he's in Canada.
Yeah. And then you're like, oh, he's in Canada. He's like heading back and then you're like,
wait, then why are you in Montana right now? Because that's where the bare-tooth pass is.
Which if you haven't driven it. We just want to be you when we grow up. Oh, dude,
you've got to drive the bare-tooth pass just once in your life. It is. Where is that?
It is Montana into... Idaho? No, not into Idaho, Wyoming. Yeah. By Yellowstone or?
Yes. It takes you right down to Yellowstone Park. Is that the one with the cop behind you?
That was another one. They do show up. Yeah.
They can hear you coming, dude. Yeah, it's a problem. Yeah, really.
That's cool. Well, yeah, it's kind of neat to hear everyone's, you know, your car story and
stuff like that. And then I know Paul over here is only on like three cars or something. Two.
Two, huh? Yeah. I was looking up the cars I've actually
bought to not... We don't take really cars on by them to sell. But there was a time maybe 15,
20 years ago that we did buy some. But it was... The way it started was it was always our way of
doing essentially what art has done to experience as many cars as we can. And it was our way of
underwriting racing. I mean, that was really... You know, when you have a family and you guys can
relate, you just can't go buy tires off of the money you're using to keep your family going.
So if we could... And it was a good buddy of mine, Jason, him and I met in the radio business. We
were fortunate. We were around these entertainment people who just, you know,
it was easy to give us the car. You sell it, you buy it from us. So we got to experience all those
cars. But the ones I've probably actually bought not to necessarily to sell, but eventually sell,
I would say 50 or 60 cars. Okay. I mean, and some of them weren't glamorous cars. I mean,
I remember I got this weird phase about 10 years ago. One of my first new car was 87 Acura Integra.
And I just got in this weird thing where I started finding myself inadvertently looking at ads for
them. And whenever I start looking, where they say, you know, like, if you're an alcoholic,
don't go to the bar. I know if I start looking for a watch or a car just to research out of
curiosity, it literally is just a foregone conclusion of I will end up with that car.
So I just found myself doing that. And I ended up with an 89 Acura Integra, same color.
And then I go through what I call the automotive nesting phase where you, you know, you,
did you start, I mean, you just lived it with your Cayman GT4.
Wait, what was your first car? 71 Chrysler Town and Country New Yorker
station wagon with a 440 FOOM. Dude, that's a giant car. That thing is insane.
With that gnarly roof rack? It was green. It didn't have a roof rack? Oh, yeah, I had the,
I mean, maybe that's the beginning of my roof rack fetish.
You could roll the car over onto it. Although you pronounce Chrysler wrong,
it's Chrysler. Chrysler. It was like an agave metallic green with the wings.
Dude, I knew it was that color. Did it come with an anchor?
No, the lysis plate said dinosaur, D-Y-N-I-S-O-R.
Where's that plate today? Funny thing you should mention that. So senior
in high school, I, you just kind of home whatever my dad came home. He's like,
where's the plates on the dinosaur? We just referred it to as a dinosaur.
I sit on the car and the rear plate was gone. And I was trying to remember I was,
I was out doing errands or doing something. I remember kind of accelerating a little fast
out of a driveway. So the bumper kind of snapped down. So I thought, and I just assumed I must,
because we went back to that where I remember doing it, didn't see a plate. Fast forward 20 years
later, my, I have a twin sister and we're, we're at a holiday and we're looking through our old
high school yearbook. And there's that picture. You know, I think every high school does it where
they put the whole senior class, you know, in the stadium or the quad or whatever. And you're
like the size of like four pixels and we're looking and looking and there's, and we realize
in the bottom is a inflatable Godzilla, like six foot tall inflatable Godzilla and around its neck
is our license plate. So someone just stole it out of the school parking lot and it just
ended up, but I remember it, I had a share with my sister. It got, when we first got it,
it got four to five miles per gallon because it had a hole in the gas tank, but it was regular
leaded and it, and it still took, I think gas was like 65 cents a gallon for regular, it was,
it was a very, very, and this is 85, 84, the end of regular gas. So then my, and my dad,
you know, he's where I learned automotive nesting from, he wants to make this thing nice, get the
radio working, get the air conditioning working. And it was, it was a 70,000 original mile kind of
one family owned, which is like 200,000 miles in modern car. No, it's like 500. And it had,
and it had a big block Chrysler motor, it was the top of the line. And the thing 48 horsepower,
I don't care, no, it, I don't care who like a, guys, they're 240 Zs or whatever. Yeah,
you could smoke anyone in a drag race, but it had the little poverty hubcaps.
And if you floored it and just dumped it into gear, you can hear the hubcaps go shooting off
into the curb. So after you're done racing, you just sort of, everyone leaves, you then you just
start going back foraging for your, your hubcaps. The poverty hubcaps look like a top of a trash
can or something. No, it's like, you look at the old like 60s cop car movies. It's just a little
dog dish on the center. Yeah. Right in the center. So I remember we were looking all over a group
in the harbor for a place that would fix the hole in the gas tank. And it's not exactly a popular
item. Yeah. So picture the shop that said, yes, they have two giant terrarium tanks with 20 foot
boas in them in their mechanical repair shop. You can know that kind of shop. Yeah. Kind of like
your shit. No. So, but anyway, it, you know, and it's funny because we, all he wanted was a Honda
or something that was half the size. And, you know, now I find myself sometimes online looking at
old Chrysler station wagons. That's a shop that has a hammock in it too. I'm sure the guy had,
the guy had a lot of tattoos. And this was before tattoos were normal. Yeah. Yeah. You were, you
were, you had a neck tattoo. You were something a lot. Yeah. Yeah. As we're driving away, we're
just waiting for a mushroom cloud over Fullerton where the guy was at. Seriously. But it was a,
it was a neat car. And I've been fortunate to, I mean, total, we were figuring out I've driven
well over a thousand cars. Wow. And I've gotten to drive cars that I could never, I mean, I could
never afford this kind of, of course. And so that's, that kind of made me think of what
is out there that you really sit and think someday I really, I really, I want to own it.
And maybe I could, like what's on your list that you, well, I mean, it's our logo Lamborghini
Countach. Okay. And if one more person tells me how shitty of a car it is, I mean, we all know
that the bar is so low that you know that they're really hot inside. I know they're hot.
I know they break down. They're expensive to fix. They're poorly built. I know. The door will
break your head open. And as much as I have loved Countach's, since I was a kid, you know,
I want a white on white with white wheels, the full Miami Pimp package. With the big wings and
stuff, late model. No, I definitely don't want the, I would, you know, I definitely don't want
the 89 anniversary edition. Yeah. No one wants that one. I would take it. I obviously, as I'm
getting older, love the Periscopas. I just love the, the how tidy and neat and tight that whole
design. Hey, ball, you missed that one. What's that? You missed that. Oh yeah. That boat has
long sails in. So last night on the way to the Porsche party in Monterey, Ryan and I, Porsche
hobbyists and I were driving down. We saw that Lamborghini coming down one. On the road. On
the road. White, white, white. Think about how many times you've seen a Countach arriving.
And a Periscopo. Even for coming from LA and being around this, I've seen tons at shows.
There's only two running Countach's in the world. They're part of Turro. They're in the same garage.
And it's hard to explain, but when you see one driving down the road, they are such a dramatic
statement on the road. I wish people could see that car go in 60 miles an hour around the other
mundane traffic. Oh, I know. It's just ridiculous. It's absurd. It's like a slot car. What color was
that? It was white on white. It was exactly the car you're looking for. And Ryan said, you know,
that car's here every year. So I see that car somehow every year during the hard week. The
phone dial wheels going down the road. It was going south and we were going north on one.
Yeah, you really don't see those. So Countach. Countach, it's, it's just my carrot. And I always
say that when the business is doing to a point where it makes sense, that carrot keeps getting
farther away. Yeah, it becomes a more expensive carrot. You know, this, you know, the Citroen SM
was one of those cars. And I have been very fortunate that there's not a lot out there. There's
stuff that I, like we just had an Audi R8. I was curious about that. And that was great. I had a
one week conjugal visit and I'm done. Like I don't ever need to experience.
Almost no offspring. No offspring that I know of. There's too good of a car.
You know, I'm kind of a bad person. I'm a bad person to talk to about new cars.
Too boring. It just, yeah, it has, you drive it and then you get out and you look back,
you're like, oh, I was driving that. I mean, you could have been in a lot of different cars.
V10 automatic? Yeah, V10 automatic. It was, it was like a blender. You pressed a button,
it performed flawlessly and it, it looks so exotic and it drives so competent, but it just
doesn't have that spark. Was it a little vague in the steering and no, it's, it's like eating,
we're talking about, it's like eating a meal that wasn't bad, but not great. So you'll forget it
quickly. Like you can't, I can't remember the taste of the car. So, so I get to drive about 100
cars a year and out of that 90, around 90 of them do everything they should do and I have a hard
time remembering a year or two later what that experience was about. And then there's, there's
a few of them that for the wrong reason, they're so bad and there's such a look down that you
kind of remember how shitty it was, how shitty it was. And then there's the few, and I try to tell
people, and it's not just necessarily that all of those cars are like this. It could be the one
example that what I call have soul. Like they just, you drive them and they are so sweet. They,
they just, and, and to tell you the truth, most of the ones that I drove that had soul,
I ended up buying and owning and it's just because they, they're not the best. And that's a hard thing
to quantify. It's the reason, three other cameras, the most boring car in the world. It's like,
it does a, you know, it does everything competently. Yep. Yes. Nothing great, nothing poor. It's,
it's not memorable at all. It's an appliance to get you to and from. Nothing breaks. It doesn't,
and I don't think it doesn't break as most people think about it. And you can always sell it, you
know, on Craigslist tomorrow. But you want to drive like the most exciting cars of those cars
that were like, it does, you know, let's say everything is like a six and then like two things
are a 10, right? And then maybe one thing's a three kind of thing. And you're like,
it all that working together makes it into this like experience. I have a great, great camera
story for you, Phil. So do you know, they're the actor, John Mahoney, who was in Frasier,
the dad in Frasier was the most people remember him. So I had a replica spider and this is in the
early 2000s, late 90s. And I got hired for this movie that was filmed out in Paso on kind of a
James Dean, funky, different twist. And John Mahoney was the key actor, but he's from Chicago,
but he has homes in other places. So we're waiting for him. He shows up to the set in a white
Camry, like a, like a two, three year old Camry. And I'm going to teach John how to drive the spider
because he's got to do it in a bunch of scenes. So we get in the car and I'm like, so do you know
drive stick shift? He's like, it's been 45 years or 15 years. And he ended up breaking some things
in the car. But he was actually fricking awesome guy to do. And it was fun because we basically
had half a day for me to teach him to drive this car. And we're filming in Shalom near where James
Dean died with all these great roads around us. So we're just going all over. I was showing,
and I'm not trying to scare, but I'm driving along and I'm showing him what the car does and
doesn't. And you saw this guy go from a life of Camry's because I asked him, I said, what do you
drive? Like, I assume that he was from Chicago and he rented that he goes, no, that's my LA Camry.
I just, so I assume you have a Chicago Camry. He's like, and an Atlanta Camry and a Houston
camp. I mean, he had like half a dozen of the exact same car all over the place because he likes
his own car. It's also, I mean, it's a very frugal, smart choice, right? They last, they
don't have issues. Totally disagree. It was interesting as he's driving this
spider around, you could see him forget there was a part of his life that was dormant. He was
not a car guy, but he was a young guy that, you know, appreciated. The thing about when you're,
you know, he was probably grew up maybe just post World War II, you know, which is really
the coming of age. When you turn 16, I mean, it's all about cars if you're an American.
And he grew up around that. So he had that at one point and then his life shifted and he did
other things. And so it was really cool to see him just transform and, and then he couldn't get
in reverse and these roads were so tiny and he had to keep coming back for the shot. And I can
stand on the top of the hill and I'm watching him and he just did his Camry thing, which is,
I'm just going to flip a bitch and just go off road and he broke the shock, cracked the frame.
But it was cool. I got to meet him. He passed away and I got a little sign,
nice note on my wall from him. All right. So I hear you have a lot of those.
Yeah. My garage is, I mean, it's our shop is like a home garage that got out of control.
Yeah. And my dad winces because every time I bring another frame piece back, you can't just,
you're like, grandma's diner with the owls. My dad will appreciate that. No, the wall is
concrete. So we have to get this impact driver and it just, but I'm not a big fan of just throw
stuff up there. But like when we're looking at your, your prints there, Phil, they,
there's something like when you can look at each picture and you know exactly where you were when
you got in it had a moment. And that's what I like to look on these things and go, you know,
it's not necessarily signed by anyone famous. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly, you know,
you, I know exactly where I was when I got this picture, who was around me, why I got it, etc.
So going back to Coontosh stuff, maybe a car that is more approachable or
something like for the DWA community that you think is kind of the, the sweet spot
car. Growing up in the 80s, I wanted a Scirocco so badly. And, and, and I wanted
basically like Jason Scirocco, the 16 valve final iteration, you know, as good as that car,
I guess ever guy. And then while I was in college, the Corrado came out and
one of the, you know, one of the kids that went to college with me, he got one brand new.
And my only experience was I never got to drive it. We're going down the freeway on the 10
and a motorcycle guy was splitting lanes on like medium traffic and brand new car,
like he had it a week and the peg caught his door and just sardine the rocker.
It was, it was shocking that the motorcycle guy didn't lose it. You know, he had the full
on wobbles, brought it, collected it, kind of went off, you know, pulled over the middle of the
freeway. But that was my only Corrado experience. But I've always thought they were just really
cool shapes. At the time when I was in it, it just seemed really fast. You know, I'm, I had an
Acura Integra with 110 horsepower. So that just felt rocket ship fast. And I think in general,
I have always loved kind of the water cooled Volkswagen era. The first one I own was a 337
when they first came out. And we were talking about early, it's still one of those cars. I sold
it to buy a B5 S4 Avant and that S4 Avant was such a let down from the 337 was just so
possible. And I've never been one of these people like have to have a rear wheel drive
because I, you know, I had a rear wheel drive. My first new car was a front wheel drive.
And they all have, I think in even all wheel drive, I've never gotten bent where I gotta have
one style. Yeah. In general, I, I enjoy learning what that car likes. You know, this last January,
I took a 964 C4 and everyone complains about the C4 heavy and, and all these other bad things about
them. And my philosophy is I just don't think they're a good enough driver to drive it. And when
you start driving it hard, it has all these really interesting characteristics that are
not normal if you drive a rear wheel drive car. It doesn't mean they're bad. They're just different.
And when you start learning it, you can have, I mean, I was coming to these churns and it was a
little wet out and it would understeer, which most Porsche guys hate, but it would have this insane,
you could early apex something and it would just grab and claw its way out of a corner.
I don't know if that'd be great on a racetrack, but on mountain roads, it's
kind of driving you like to do like we like to do. Yeah. And especially you get cold morning
with the wet road, unpredictable surfaces. I mean, it can really kind of be nice. I mean,
I could see having an all wheel drive fun sports car, you know, kind of like that.
But yeah, not picky. And Phil, what about you? I know we were kind of talking
probably a year ago, you were thinking of maybe another older Porsche or something.
But yeah, I'm looking at an air cool car. But as you can see now that you're here,
I've only got a one car garage. Right. And my problem with cars is I don't like cars that are
stock. I like things that are special and fun. And so my idea of a fun car would be like maybe
Alex's 964, you know, Sharklips 964. But I can't park either one of these cars outside. I just
can't bring myself to do it. And then you don't want to store it somewhere and then use it once
in a while kind of thing. No, there's a guy trying to talk me into buying a condo, a car condo here.
Oh, yeah. And I'm like, no, probably not on your neighbor's doors. No, I think I
empty garage somewhere. I would rather buy probably a Sprinter, an Airstream Sprinter with
an aero trailer, throw the GT4 in the back and just go. Okay, six months a year and you're up
six months in the US. That's not bad. And you know, because I can spend six months in the UK
with my grandkids and yeah, was it Sawtooth Pass or what's your, what's the pass up there?
Bear to take the Airstream Park right down there. Oh dude, you got the GT4 out.
Exactly. You know, you can, you can imagine. So you could just drive a day or two and get
a series of roads you want. Damn it. I want one of those now. I want to do that.
That sounds pretty nice. It's not as crazy as it sounds. No, it isn't. No. For that Mercedes
Metrus tow. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to do. Yeah, lightweight. Yeah, I wonder how are the Metruses?
I don't think he could. Can you freewheel at 9-11? Oh God.
Like a van. Just on four wheels. How do you do it in reverse? So the
Adometer goes backwards. Oh yeah. Thinking up here. You're thinking. I know. I know.
So Carmel's in the books for today. What else are you guys doing? Are you, you're going to
to rent sport or works? Works and then the Jets Center party and be back at Laguna on Saturday.
Are you always plus one? I'm always bitch this week. He asked me to wear something sexy. So I.
Nice. There you go. Yeah. The last one I said to Ryan last night. Yeah. That should be fun.
Well, what was that? Did you guys see any, like what were the highlights for all of you guys at
Concourse on the Avenue? It's a good question. Or Laguna, let's say. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good
question. You know, two things at Laguna that I don't remember seeing much of was Formula 5000,
which Phil was dropping some knowledge about that series. I have no frame of reference. I never
sought an action. I don't know any of the drivers, nothing, but basically that was like a rival to
Formula One. It was the American version of Formula One. If you will, am I right about that?
Yeah. A lot of American V8s, you know, in open wheel cars that I mean, I remember in the 70s
living in Southern California and going along Beach Grand Prix and seeing the 5000 cars there.
And that's where we've been there. Oh, there was crazy headers and exhausts.
So loud intake. So loud. Super loud, big, big muscle, you know, tires and yeah, cool. So that
the vintage Formula One was really cool. So good. Yeah. And I'm not a big, I mean,
I like sports car racing better, but I was, that was intoxicating. Yeah. I don't know if it's
because it was so different than everything else we watched all weekend, but when they came out,
I mean, it's kind of goosebumps. We're all standing around the campsite and it's like whatever
conversation we have, we stop and then we're all over at the fence. Yeah. And it wasn't like they
were the loosest or the wildest or crashes, but they're just the, I don't know what it is, the
acceleration or sound. That pair of TIRLs that were running together. Yeah. You know, that,
I think I put that on my page or it was just, man, that sound. I played it several times just
at home, just listen to it again because it's so good. Yeah, those things were loud. We were
sitting at the grandstands and at one point I'm like, all right, my ears are actually hurting.
And how about the Audi Quattro as one of the best sounding cars? That was sick.
Coming down the course screw with the Blofts. Definitely one of the most interesting cars
of the weekend. And like, yeah, with the sound was crazy. Unlike anything else, right? You
could just hear that car coming. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Up close, that car was brilliant. I mean,
the detail, the manufacturing detail on that car. I think that's another thing that I always forget
is that the cars that are racing are borderline, concor level presentation. I mean, they're so
freaking nice. And I guess you'd expect that this isn't lemons, but still, I mean,
it's just impressive. You can beat a car that hard, and then it still comes out looking
that nice. Yeah. You see that Audi was in like, it had a really nice pit, like it was indoors.
And you could walk around it and they had all the body work off, like sitting on the floor next
to it. And Paul and I were checking it out. It's like, it basically looks like a NASCAR.
They do. It's definitely. I mean, actually the Toyota, that was another cool car.
Would you see it with all the body work off? No, it looked like it's short. It looks square.
It was long as it was wide and it looked like basically NASCAR. I mean,
two, and we were talking about that. It's my little pet peeve, which is these are beautiful
looking cars. I mean, you go in the inside, they kind of all look like NASCARs. The 908s and 906s
is some of the 60s or the open wheel, I think just out of necessity, only look a certain way. But
maybe because of safety rules and everything else and the roll bars and the, you know,
halo seats, some of the interiors. I mean, if you look, took a picture of the Audi interior,
you could not tell it from half of the other cars. They all kind of look two frame, just
two frame, a piece of aluminum on the dash. And they have like shitty gauges. I mean, not
versus something. Paul pointed that out. And then we were looking at every single car.
It's like, whether it's a 240Z or a, you know, name your car has these shitties, same gauges,
like the standard. Yeah, it's not that cool. It's a cottage issue. You go in and you make
their interior of meat specs and look concord correct interior. Cool. Yeah. But the open
wheel and the Porsche is 908s, things like that. The 908 is really cool, right? The setback,
like deep gauges, like the 240Z, I think is a really cool dash. Remember with the two pumps,
the two gauges, and I don't think I saw one of them. They're gone. Why couldn't you retain that?
I don't know. Hey, man, Rebens racing or whatever the phrase.
Well, that's McLaren M6A. Oh, the blue one that had the gold,
really interesting gold fine point livery on it. Did you see that car? Not the one with the eagle
on the front? No. Well, that thing was crazy. Yeah. Was it eagle or lion? No, this is a can
Amcar. Oh, okay. And this is the Donnie Hupensky McLaren. Oh, so it had the, it had the Sonoco
livery kind of looking. Well, it was Sonoco blue. There's a picture of it. Did you see this? Oh,
it's like pinstriping everywhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. Is this car,
a car that's absolutely gorgeous? So, the McLaren's on the goofy? The guy, the driver spun this coming
out of turn three, did a 360. I was standing right there at turn three. He does a 360, ends up pointing
down the track, motor stalled, gets it restarted before the car behind gets right on his ass. I
no way that happened. Yeah. That's awesome. The McLaren's one with the crazy velocity stacks.
It looked like a pipe organ all, I never understood it. They're all going different
directions. I don't either. That's all those can Amcards with that. Yeah. There was some theories
that are going around. Yeah, you can't see them because of the spook. There's a lot of cocaine,
a lot of acid, whatever works. Straight. Yeah. One of the coolest things for me, and it's just
more personal, was that Cameron Healy was racing two cars. And it's kind of funny because he had
two insane cars, but a very low key. I mean, two easy ups. He always has the same exact setup.
It's pretty low key. So, he had the, I don't know if it was a Brian Redmer, Vic Elford,
908. 908, 10. 908, 10. Yeah. With the killer livery, that red. White with the red kind of
stripes. And then a green number. Yeah. You've seen the car. It's just a simple wedge. And I
guess he, I think he started out in last and won the race. I was watching. That was the last thing
I watched before I left. And the second, the last, second turn, second, the last turn of
the last lap, he took the lead and he was just flying around the track. So cool. But he had a
77 RSR. It was white and had two blue stripes. And I had sold that car five or six years ago.
And I don't know if the guys sold it to sold to him. I talked to him briefly and he was literally
getting ready to go out for that race. He's like, Oh, I want to talk to you more. I said,
go out and race. But he was, you know, I had, that car got restored five years before I got it.
And it just, all it did was move from collection to collection. No one ever did anything with it.
And it was at the point where me and my friends were talking, this was when the values were really
cheap. And my friends and I were talking like, we could go in on this car. And all it needs
is to start doing these vintage races. It raced, it was an amateur semi-protein, but it raced in
a Ford Le Mans, or in a Daytona, excuse me, a race Sebring. It was one of those cars that never
did great, but always finished. I mean, they would finish somewhere. It had maybe a couple
top tens and that was it. Yeah. And then it had a bunch of like 27s and stuff like that.
Yeah. But I mean, it literally raced Imsa, it raced Transam, and it even went into POC
club racing through the 90s. And everyone that was involved with the car after it got restored,
no one would drive it. And it just needed to be driven. And so that was the first time.
And I drove it. I'm the only one who put significant miles. I drove it to cars and
coffee in Irvine. Hung dealer play got some friends with Porsches to be like a sound barrier
and just had headlights. And we went down the freeway and I got to see it, took a picture of it.
I saw a racing, which is really cool. So I have a question for you two guys.
Yes. What did you think of the roof CTR prototype?
Oh, the teal, the C foam one. No, no, no, no. Today. Oh, today. The yellow one.
Always drove it on to the avenue. Yeah. Right. And then they brought in the yellow bird.
That's going to be Bruce Meyers. That's Bruce. No, the other yellow bird is Bruce Meyers personal
car that I always roof just restored. Oh yeah. The one that's going to be an auction is black.
Oh, okay. And the yellow, the old CTR prototype is the one. I mean, I mean,
I assume you've read the spec on this car, but what do you think of it in the flash?
It's too modern for my taste. If I were to pick one, I think I'd go with the 1987.
Really? It's just something about the lights and it just, yeah, that's my only take aesthetically.
But other than that, I love roofs across the board and I like what they're doing.
For me, it did a lot more for me in person that it has like,
when it first was launched, I remember at Geneva, like a year ago or something like that,
it was, it was kind of like, what is Roof doing? Kind of like, are they just rehashing old,
you know, because it looks a lot like the old one that was that yellow one we saw today,
Bruce Meyers car. You're kind of like, oh, are they just like kind of rehashing and just selling
kind of an updated version of their old car. But seeing it in the flesh, like it has
detail that goes like way beyond that. And it is like singer level, but more towards like
purpose, purpose, purposeful. Yeah. There's no carbon tub singers yet. No. And it has details
like singer has, but almost more bespoke details, I would say, like where singer kind of will
redo an existing part, but in a different, you know, in a better material with a better finish.
This car has like a whole bespoke door handle, right? Those windows, rear windows, the rear
windows are amazing. So the rear windows are like, that's crazy. The rear windows, the little
quarter goss, the normal 911 quarter goss is like tucked in and the bodywork is wider. So it has
these intakes next to it that are almost hidden. Yep. Like input, like just looking at the car,
you don't see those until you look at it. This three quarter view and it's like the windows are,
I don't know, three inches in and it has these veins in there and fully functional, fully functional.
And then it has these other, the fender vents are really cool and they go in and it's all
raw carbon inside. And you know, like we said, those door handles has like Aston Martin style
flush mounted door handles. And when they pop them out, it has this really nice like aluminum.
And then it says it has roof and grave there and then behind it has a picture of a key and it's
very like, it's like finished product where a lot of cars like that, if you look, you know,
a lot of cars like that, you see them in the flesh and they're actually a disappointment,
especially a one of one car, right? You're like, oh, the details suck. You look at any,
like I've seen a bunch of these RWB cars and stuff like that where, and they're all crap.
They're better left on a magazine. Exactly. They look way better and it's kind of like,
that's the car you're like, oh, it looks great in pictures and then you go see them.
I feel like Aloys Roof has been watching the singer, what's the 993, the Gunther works and
sitting there watching this going, that's cute. Okay, fine. So that's what we're going to do.
Yeah. And then, but really his car is, is more truly form follows function. I mean,
he's looking at, all right, I've got now access to all this technology, all these materials,
and what do I want to achieve? And so I think, I think the car looks more subtle than the other
cars. And I kind of agree with Warren. I'm more on the older style, but given the choice,
I'm going to go out and buy something like that. I mean, I'd buy this hands down because
it just feels like it's not pretty for pretty sake. It's pretty because it's going to do something
very unique, you know, it has a unique purpose of it. Yeah. He's taken the Porsche philosophy,
which is, you know, from the start, it was always that form follows function. And, you know,
if it, if it looks good, that's a plus, right? If it looks good, then that's, that's a bonus,
but we don't need it to look good. And it's like, I do like that he took a different approach
in being kind of like the more modern, you know, he has a 991 steering wheel. It has like
the interior is brilliant. The center console is really cool. Like center console and,
but they made it not too flashy. Like the 991 steering wheel, they didn't put any like fake
chrome bits on like the new 991 has with the screw holes and stuff like that. It's just all
matte black and really cool. Yeah. The details are there. I think it's really neat. It's not
trying to be a retro car. I don't think it's, I mean, it's definitely mimicking obviously their
old car, but it's also moving that forward, which I think is a really hard thing to do.
Being like relevant today with kind of copying the old thing, right? You end up with a PT cruiser
a lot of times. All right. I think for me, when you look at it, like I look at a singer and I
want to keep looking at it. I look at his car. Yeah. You want to drive it? I mean, I really,
like, I don't know if it's because I got to see it move and it drove right by me,
but there was something about that that just kind of, I would love to, I have no desire to drive.
I mean, I'd be curious. I'd like to drive a singer or some of these other ones. And I know
they're really fast, but I'll bet you that one feels like everything works really well together.
Like a really good synergy. Yeah. I mean, obviously don't know Aloy's roof, but being an older guy,
you know, I was looking at him today standing by his car. Yeah. And I'm thinking, you know,
this guy's, he doesn't really give a shit what singer's doing, what Porsche's doing,
anybody's doing. He's looking at his team of people that he's put together. And at this point
in his life, he's going, what's the best thing we could do? He's smiling a lot too. And just do
it. Yeah. He's looked so happy. Yeah. Why would you fucking not be happy? He wants to drive.
Exactly. So that car, you know, and I agree with you, you know, Warren, it is a little bit modern
at a touch, but that quickly goes away and your eyes are drawn to something else about it.
So pure, original, totally. And it could be changed in a, you know,
probably like a week of them tinkering with it. Like the turn signals, for example,
in the front are built into the bumper, but they're this thin, clear strip, which I don't want
orange or just like a little dot, you know, or what have you, like that kind of stuff.
So 17 inch wheels off the 87 are these hidden two piece five spoke wheels that are the classics,
right? And then the new ones are this one piece thinner spoke thing. These are all like
super minor changes, but that's where my mind goes. I just see that little,
if you also look like it has bespoke tail lights, lenses, like everything's bespoke,
which is pretty insane. Like for that, yeah, to have that level of like, wouldn't you do that
the only if you were? Oh, I mean, I would love to be. I mean, imagine having the access to like,
I mean, imagine being able to do that though and make it a little way and have little pieces,
right? Have it look that good really? Like it's kind of a, it's a real feat to do that. Like
one thing I have noticed when I look at a lot of singers, like I love singers. I like all the
details and it's really cool. Like all this stuff. It's like the ultimate nine element
hot rod, right? You know that everything is important. That's true. Yes. Yeah. Very true.
It's on the door. So now, but, but they do look like a restoration shop took a car and kind of
like did did. Like, I don't know. There's something about a singer. It doesn't look like a new car
to me. Like, yeah, any, any, maybe that's their, maybe that's their greatest compliment. I don't
know. I guess maybe it is, but have you been inside their works? There's pretty,
have you been inside their operation now? Oh, no, no, I haven't. Oh, I have. Yeah. I gotta tell you
the singer is just my eyeballs popped out of my head when I went into the first, they're scattered
in five buildings in LA, but in the final assembly area. Yeah. The day I was there. I mean, I'll
forget walking in and Damon Jones, who was my host, you know, we walked by and there's
six four-liter motors on crates on pallets sitting on the floor looking like jewelry. And I'm like,
so that kind of caught the eye. Then you walk towards the back where the cars have been,
there's four cars in assembly and there's teams that work on these assemblies and the detail work.
Oh, no, the quality dude. I'm not saying that at all. Like they're amazing. I love singers.
I'm just saying they look more like, I think maybe that's almost like too good a restoration.
They look like a restoration shop took it and did it and then they color sand everything and do it
like the roof almost looks more like a new GT three RS or something like that. I would say
it has that like level. Yeah, it has that factory production car level.
It looks more production car, which maybe is even a knock on the roof, but the it looks
more like it's producible. The singer doesn't look like a car company cannot make the singer.
Like that is not doable. Like that is not like the jewelry and all that stuff. You can leather
weaving a car company couldn't make that car. It wouldn't. It would be the same price as singer.
It would be more than what singer charges, you know, like it would like Pagani comes close
and that's a two and a half million dollar car or whatever it is. Yeah, I like three. I think three
of the cars that were in final assembly in that area, the day I was there, we're all going to
Hong Kong. Yeah. You guys ever been to Hong Kong? No, but you don't drive in Hong Kong. Yeah. Okay.
Ridiculous. It's not like perfect place for that car. Yeah, you park it in a garage. Yeah,
you put it in a museum. And I know the I want to I wonder what the singer have we seen like a
lap time anywhere? I mean, sorry, not the singer did it. No, but we've seen the singer like Laguna
Seca actually did like a one. It did a really fast lap like a 134 or something. I think it was
under 35. Yeah. Yeah. And which is like it's competent. It's like new GT three, basically RS
territory. But I wonder what the roof would do. I hope we find out a rent sport. Yeah,
yeah. That would be great if they let him with a pro driver go do. Yeah. Yeah, why would they?
Only a big yellowish roof could probably set a good time. Yeah, totally. He's been hustling
those things for decades. I think it's about that time. Appreciate the hospitality, Phil.
Thank you for hosting. Thanks for coming. And Paul. Oh, thanks for having me guys. Thanks for
camping. It was thanks for coming, man. I mean, I am going to see if I can drag the Ed along to
join me camping. Yeah, you know, nice. Maybe you can bring that air stream along. So I always
wondered what you guys do when you're doing the podcast and you got to take a post because I've
had to pee for the last time. You didn't get your DWA catheter on. Yeah, I'm good right here.
Just screw your mic down and then pee in the bushes. Yeah, that's what we do.
Yeah. All right, guys, we'll see you. Well, let's see. We're going to Radwood on Thursday and then
I think we'll podcast from there. So next episode will be a Radwood centric podcast.
Probably maybe. Shit show. I don't know. So just, I know everyone's just can't wait
the anticipation. Oh, yeah, it's crazy. It's off. Yeah, it's off the charts.
All right, we'll see you guys next time. Thanks.
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