Porsche’s Biggest Wins and Biggest Missteps of 2025
About this episode
Exploring Porsche's performance and challenges in 2025, Will and Derek dive into an article discussing the brand's significant wins and missteps. They analyze the transition to hybrid models, the ongoing appeal of GT cars, and the complexities of pricing and trim options that may alienate new enthusiasts. The hosts debate the merits of manual versus automatic transmissions, the impact of EVs on Porsche's identity, and the erosion of accessibility for first-time buyers. With a mix of humor and insight, this episode offers a candid look at the current state of Porsche ownership.
In this episode, Will and I break down Rennlist’s “Porsche’s Biggest Wins of 2025, And the Quiet Missteps.” We go point by point and tell you where we agree, where we push back, and what actually matters if you drive your cars and pay the bills.
We cover:
- The 992.2 transition and the hybrid GTS, smart move or the start of the slide
- The manual squeeze, and why Porsche keeps boxing you into certain trims
- Why GT cars still carry the brand, and why buying one feels like a game
- Porsche EVs, great design, brutal depreciation, and what that means for real owners
- Pricing drift, option creep, and why sticker shock finally hit the mainstream
- Trim overload, too many variants, and why it matters when you’re shopping used
- Weight gain across the lineup, and how Porsche hides it better than anyone
- The hardest truth, Porsche ownership feels less accessible than it used to
- Derek’s biggest 2025 miss, the Boxster and Cayman ICE pause and the messy EV rollout
Rennlist article we discuss:
https://rennlist.com/how-tos/slideshows/porsche-s-biggest-wins-of-2025-and-the-quiet-missteps-1002636#intro
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mid-cycle refresh
"And usually in that dot two, they do some pretty large mechanical refreshes, sometimes with an aesthetic component as well, just freshens the car up before they move on to whatever the next iteration is going to be."
A mid-cycle refresh is when a car gets updated while it's still being sold, usually to make it look better or perform better. It's like giving the car a makeover before a new version comes out.
A mid-cycle refresh is a significant update made to a vehicle model during its production cycle, often involving mechanical improvements and aesthetic changes. This helps maintain the model's competitiveness and appeal in the market until the next generation is released.
hybrid system
"So the dot two, what was really interesting when these came out, the big huge news was the GTS became a hybrid. And so that was the news that stopped the clock for everyone because this is the first time in a 911 that Porsche has introduced the hybrid system for a roadgoing consumer-grade car."
A hybrid system is a way to make cars more efficient by using both a gas engine and an electric motor. This helps save fuel and can make the car better for the environment.
A hybrid system in vehicles combines an internal combustion engine with an electric motor to improve fuel efficiency and reduce emissions. This technology allows for better performance and can provide electric-only driving capabilities in some cases.
Porsche 911
"...for everyone because this is the first time in a 911 that Porsche has introduced the hybrid system for..."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people recognize because of its unique shape and fast performance. It's special because it's been around for a long time and is known for being fun to drive. Now, they're adding a hybrid version, which means it will use both gas and electricity to run.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car known for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout. It has been a benchmark in the sports car segment for decades, combining performance with everyday usability. The introduction of a hybrid system in the 911 marks a significant step towards electrification in this legendary model.
horsepower
"They got to a point where they couldn't extract any more horsepower from their existing architecture and they had to move to water cooling."
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful a car's engine is. The more horsepower an engine has, the faster and stronger the car can be.
Horsepower is a unit of measurement used to quantify the power output of an engine. It indicates how much work an engine can perform over time, which directly affects a vehicle's performance and speed.
water cooling
"...they had to move to water cooling. Everyone was up in arms."
Water cooling is a way to keep a car's engine from getting too hot by using water to absorb heat. It helps the engine run better and last longer.
Water cooling is a method used to regulate engine temperature by circulating coolant through the engine block and radiator. This system helps prevent overheating and maintains optimal operating temperatures for better performance.
turbocharged motor
"And so then they came out with a turbocharged motor for the 2017 model year, which was the 991.2."
A turbocharged motor is an engine that has a special device called a turbocharger. This device helps the engine get more air, which allows it to produce more power and go faster.
A turbocharged motor uses a turbocharger to force more air into the engine, allowing it to burn more fuel and produce more power. This technology helps improve performance while also potentially enhancing fuel efficiency.
plug-in hybrid
"...the question is, Porsche, do you come out with a plug-in hybrid?"
A plug-in hybrid is a car that uses both gas and electricity. You can charge it by plugging it in, and it can drive a certain distance using only electricity before it needs to use gas.
A plug-in hybrid is a type of vehicle that combines a traditional internal combustion engine with an electric motor and a rechargeable battery. It can be charged from an external power source and can operate on electric power alone for a limited range before switching to gasoline.
charging port
"...There's no charging port on this car. There's no Granger extension cord hanging out the back."
A charging port is a place on electric cars where you plug in to recharge the battery. It's similar to how you charge your phone.
A charging port is a connector on electric and hybrid vehicles that allows the battery to be charged from an external power source. It is essential for electric vehicles to recharge their batteries.
battery
"...There's just a little battery. And it gives the boost where it needs to."
A battery in a car stores electricity that helps power the car's electric motor and other parts. It's important for hybrid and electric cars to work properly.
In the context of vehicles, a battery stores electrical energy that powers the electric motor and other electronic systems. In hybrid and electric vehicles, the battery is crucial for providing energy for propulsion and accessories.
PDK
"That's a hybrid PDK, now model set. You don't have it in the S."
PDK is a special type of automatic transmission used in Porsches that helps the car change gears quickly and smoothly. This makes the car faster and more fun to drive.
PDK stands for Porsche Doppelkupplung, which is a dual-clutch automatic transmission that allows for faster gear changes compared to traditional automatic transmissions. It enhances performance and driving dynamics in Porsche vehicles.
manual transmission
"All of my Porsches are manual transmission cars. My deal is this is, hey, if you want a manual, just look back a little bit."
A manual transmission is a type of car gear system where you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal. It gives you more control over how the car drives.
A manual transmission is a type of vehicle transmission that requires the driver to manually shift gears using a clutch pedal and gear stick. It offers more control over the vehicle's power and performance compared to automatic transmissions.
base S, GTS, turbo
"...you can buy the normal base S, GTS or turbo and none of them are normal in the grand scheme of things, but you know what I'm saying."
'Base S', 'GTS', and 'turbo' are different versions of the Porsche 911. The base S is the regular model, GTS is a sportier version, and turbo means it has a special engine that gives it more power.
The terms 'base S', 'GTS', and 'turbo' refer to different performance levels and features in the Porsche lineup, particularly for the 911 model. The base S is the standard model, GTS offers more power and features, and turbo indicates a turbocharged engine for enhanced performance.
Porsche GT3
"...the GT department for Porsche puts out their GT4s, their GT3s, etc. And what this win is, is that I believe what it's saying is Porsche has held the line"
The Porsche GT3 is a special version of the 911 sports car that is built for speed and performance, especially on race tracks. It has more power and better handling than regular 911s.
The Porsche GT3 is a high-performance variant of the Porsche 911, designed for track use while still being street-legal. It features a more powerful engine, enhanced aerodynamics, and a focus on lightweight construction compared to standard 911 models.
Porsche EV
"Porsche's EV execution remained class-leading. I know nothing about this. Will, tell me, give me your thoughts on Porsche EV."
Porsche EVs are electric cars made by Porsche that focus on being fast and fun to drive while also being better for the environment. They use electric power instead of gasoline, which helps reduce pollution.
Porsche's electric vehicles (EVs) represent the brand's commitment to sustainable performance, combining their traditional sports car heritage with modern electric technology. This includes models like the Taycan, which offers impressive acceleration and handling while being environmentally friendly.
electric car
"He came out and said, Porsche will never have an electric car."
An electric car runs on electricity instead of gasoline. They are becoming more common because they are better for the environment and can be cheaper to run.
An electric car is a vehicle that is powered entirely or partially by electricity, using electric motors instead of traditional internal combustion engines. This technology is becoming increasingly popular due to environmental concerns and advancements in battery technology.
internal combustion engine (ICE)
"...the throttling of ice engines, all this to say is I feel like Porsche was late to the market..."
An internal combustion engine is the kind of engine that most cars have used for many years. It works by burning fuel to create power that moves the car.
An internal combustion engine (ICE) is a type of engine that generates power by burning fuel, such as gasoline or diesel, inside the engine's cylinders. This is the traditional engine type used in most vehicles before the rise of electric vehicles.
Porsche Cayenne
"...n too deep. And so they've already developed the Cayenne, which is coming out around the corner, the EV C..."
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy SUV that offers a lot of space and comfort while still being fun to drive. It's popular because it mixes the style of a luxury car with the practicality of an SUV. Soon, there will be an electric version, which means it will run on batteries instead of gas.
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV that combines Porsche's performance heritage with the practicality of an SUV. It has been a successful model for Porsche, appealing to those who want a sporty driving experience in a larger vehicle. The upcoming electric version of the Cayenne represents Porsche's commitment to expanding its electric vehicle lineup.
EV
"...the EV Cayenne, the EV Macan, the Ticons..."
EV means electric vehicle. These cars run on electricity instead of gas, which can be better for the environment and cheaper to drive.
EV stands for electric vehicle, which is a type of car that runs entirely on electricity instead of gasoline. EVs are known for being more environmentally friendly and often have lower operating costs.
Porsche Macan
"...the EV Cayenne, the EV Macan, the Ticons..."
The Porsche Macan is a smaller SUV from Porsche. It's designed to be fun to drive while still being practical for everyday use.
The Porsche Macan is a compact luxury SUV that offers a sporty driving experience typical of Porsche vehicles. It is smaller than the Cayenne and is designed for those who want a performance-oriented SUV.
trans-axle
"That's a trans-axle car. That's a Boxster."
A trans-axle combines the parts that send power from the engine to the wheels into one piece. This makes the car lighter and helps with handling.
A trans-axle is a type of automotive transmission that integrates the transmission, axle, and differential into a single unit, commonly found in rear-wheel and all-wheel drive vehicles. This design helps to save space and weight in the vehicle's layout.
Porsche Boxster
"That's a trans-axle car. That's a Boxster. That's 991."
The Porsche Boxster is a two-seater sports car that you can drive with the top down, making it great for enjoying nice weather. It's designed to handle really well, which means it's fun to drive on winding roads. The way its engine and transmission are set up helps it perform better when you drive fast.
The Porsche Boxster is a mid-engine roadster that emphasizes driving pleasure and open-air experiences. It is known for its balanced handling and sporty performance, making it a favorite among driving enthusiasts. The mention of its trans-axle design highlights its unique engineering that contributes to its driving dynamics.
Porsche Taycan
"...ology, the battery chemistry. I think the newest Taycans get over 320 miles per charge. And so I think yo..."
The Porsche Taycan is a completely electric car that offers a sporty driving experience like other Porsches. It can go a long distance on a single charge, which means you don't have to plug it in all the time. It's a modern car that uses new technology to make driving fun and efficient.
The Porsche Taycan is an all-electric sports sedan that represents Porsche's entry into the electric vehicle market. It is known for its impressive performance, long range, and advanced technology, making it a strong competitor in the luxury EV segment. The mention of its range highlights its capability for everyday use without frequent charging.
fast charger
"And so I think you can charge at a fast charger in like under an hour, maybe 45 minutes. So it's not like it used to be."
A fast charger is a special station where you can charge an electric car much quicker than at regular chargers. This helps drivers get back on the road faster, especially during long trips.
A fast charger is a type of electric vehicle charging station that can significantly reduce the time it takes to charge an electric vehicle's battery compared to standard chargers. They are essential for long trips and quick top-ups.
Heritage Editions
"Like for example, like with the Heritage Editions, have you seen those Heritage Interiors?"
Heritage Editions are special car models that celebrate a brand's past. They often have unique designs and colors that make them stand out from regular models.
Heritage Editions are special versions of vehicles that pay homage to a brand's history or classic models, often featuring unique design elements and finishes. They are typically produced in limited quantities and can include exclusive interior materials and colors.
toffee-colored brown leather
"Yeah, dude, they're sick. They're sick. Like this beautiful toffee-colored brown leather with the papita inserts."
Toffee-colored brown leather is a fancy type of leather used in car interiors. It looks nice and feels good to sit on, making the inside of the car feel more luxurious.
Toffee-colored brown leather is a specific type of premium leather upholstery used in vehicles, known for its rich, warm color that adds a touch of luxury to the interior. This type of leather is often chosen for its aesthetic appeal and comfort.
Lykan HyperSport
"What did I hear the other day? The Lykbao, the lightning package that makes like some magnesium wheels, thinner glass and stuff for the car was it?"
The Lykan HyperSport is a very expensive sports car made by W Motors. It's famous for its luxury and high-tech features, like special wheels and glass that make it unique.
The Lykan HyperSport is a high-performance sports car produced by W Motors, known for its luxurious features and extreme price tag. It features advanced materials and technology, including magnesium wheels and specialized glass.
GT3
"Oh, for the GT3. And that's like $36,000."
The GT3 is a special version of the Porsche 911 that is built for speed and handling, making it great for racing. It has a powerful engine and special features that help it perform better than regular cars.
The GT3 is a high-performance variant of the Porsche 911, known for its track-focused features and powerful naturally aspirated engine. It is designed for enthusiasts who seek a blend of everyday usability and exceptional performance on the racetrack.
T
"...you start to say, well, how much money different do they feel? And with the special editions, I think aesthetically they do a nice job..."
The 'T' in car names usually means it's a Touring model, focusing more on comfort and usability than on high performance.
The 'T' designation often refers to a Touring model, which typically emphasizes comfort and everyday usability over outright performance.
special editions
"...And with the special editions, I think aesthetically they do a nice job of different interiors, different rims..."
Special editions are special versions of cars that have unique designs or features, making them different from regular models.
Special editions are unique versions of a car model that often feature distinct styling, enhanced features, or limited production runs to create exclusivity.
rear wheel steer
"...or maybe you'll get rear wheel steer on one and not the other."
Rear wheel steer means the back wheels can turn slightly when you turn the front wheels. This helps the car turn better and stay stable at high speeds.
Rear wheel steer refers to a vehicle's ability to turn its rear wheels in the opposite direction of the front wheels at low speeds, improving maneuverability, or in the same direction at high speeds for stability. This technology enhances handling and cornering performance.
wide body kits
"...they're not doing wide body kits from the factory..."
Wide body kits are parts added to a car to make it wider. This can help with handling and gives the car a sportier look.
Wide body kits are aftermarket modifications that widen a vehicle's body, allowing for larger tires and improved aerodynamics. They often enhance the car's appearance and performance by providing a more aggressive stance and better handling.
Porsche Panamera
"That's true. You know, you get in a Panamera, especially like a Panamera GTS, and you get goi..."
The Porsche Panamera is a fancy car with four doors that can fit more people and luggage. It's designed to be very fast and comfortable, making it great for long drives. The GTS version is even sportier, meaning it has special features to make it go faster and handle better.
The Porsche Panamera is a luxury four-door sedan that combines performance with practicality, offering a spacious interior and advanced technology. It is known for its powerful engine options and sporty handling, making it a unique offering in the luxury car market. The mention of the GTS variant highlights its performance-oriented features.
depreciation
"...so it really hasn't depreciated at all in the grand scheme of things."
Depreciation is how much a car loses value as it gets older. It's important to know because it affects how much you can sell a car for later on.
Depreciation refers to the decrease in value of a vehicle over time, typically due to wear and tear, age, and market demand. Understanding depreciation is crucial for buyers and sellers to assess the true value of a car.
Chevrolet C8
"...I can get a brand new C8 Corvette, E-Ray or whatever they go for."
The Chevrolet Corvette C8 is the latest version of the Corvette sports car, known for its powerful engine and sleek design. It's a popular choice for those looking for a fast and stylish car.
The Chevrolet Corvette C8 is the eighth generation of the Corvette sports car, introduced in 2020. It features a mid-engine layout, which is a significant departure from previous models, enhancing its performance and handling.
Porsche Cayman
"...e. For 2025, deciding to not sell the Boxter and Cayman with an internal combustion engine alongside the..."
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that has a hard top instead of a convertible roof, making it a bit different from the Boxster. It's designed to be fun to drive and handles really well. Soon, they will only sell electric versions, which means it will run on batteries instead of gas.
The Porsche Cayman is a mid-engine sports coupe that shares many components with the Boxster but offers a fixed roof for added rigidity and performance. It is celebrated for its precise handling and engaging driving experience. The decision to discontinue internal combustion engine versions in favor of electric models reflects the automotive industry's shift towards sustainability.
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