Revolution Gear and Axle w/ Special Guest Matt

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I should mention that this weekend is Bantam Trail Festival.

I'm sure I'm certain that there are some other opportunities going on out

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So in the interim, who do we have today, Jeffrey?

We have Matt from Revolution Gear and Axel.

Matt, are you there?

I am here. All right.

Morning. Good morning. Good morning.

Thank you for joining us.

Thanks for having me. Yeah, for sure.

And this is a fun, a fun opportunity.

Jeffrey, I don't know if you had an opportunity

to create any specific questions or outlines.

No, I left it as a conversational.

We're going to be winging it.

You're going to wing it anyway.

So I would say I've prepared notes for you

how many times and you follow the script once.

I do really good with the songs that you

crappily produce and that I produce papers to keep the couch warm.

The papers are nice, but I don't know.

Maybe it would give Matt confidence in the fact

that we're not going to ask him something.

Catty Wampus in the process.

We'll see. I think he's prepared.

You think he's prepared? OK.

I've actually had the opportunity just even recently

at Smoky Mountain to catch up with Matt

and had a very good conversation.

And Matt and I met a few years ago

when he was very diligently trying to convince us

that there was a better alternative gear

manufacturer on the market

and, you know, in trying to to represent revolution accordingly.

Now we pull no punches that we are for historically.

We've sold a lot of Dana Spicer components

and also historically, we sold a lot of Yukon.

But as of many things, all businesses have their ups and downs.

And while we're still very, very happy with Dana Spicer,

I am finding myself less and less thrilled about my Yukon offerings.

So with that said, we were very loyal to them

and as a product supplier.

But if they are not able to deliver for our customer,

then what's the point? Right?

And that's a very personal, professional approach that I take

that our customer comes first, regardless of our relationships with manufacturers.

And if manufacturers are not able to fill the way that we expect them to.

Again, we treat your Jeep like it's our Jeep.

And I want, you know, arguably the very best for whatever given circumstance it is.

In that interim, there are a number of alternative,

you know, there are a number of gear manufacturers out there, Richmond Motive.

And Revolution came on the scene some years ago.

In the aftermarket, Matt, when would you say that, like,

Revolution really took a stronghold?

Well, first, I would say it was probably I want to say it's 2012

was when the when the branding came about.

We've been making gear since 1984, just kind of had a different business model.

12 was when we kind of looked at the scope of things

and saw how things were going right e-commerce.

We kind of thought just wholesaling white box to to companies

maybe wasn't the route to just put all our eggs in one basket.

And that's kind of when we decided, like I said, to brand.

But that's that I wouldn't say that's when we really got, you know,

you know, stole market share. Yeah, that would probably be.

Man, last three years, definitely.

Yeah, every year, every year it's gotten it was better, right?

You know, we have a very grassroots approach to it.

And I joke around with a lot of people and say,

we would blindfold ourselves and throw darts at a dartboard or or a map, if you will.

And all right, I guess we're going to to Pika, Kansas today.

But we we did very I mean, we did a lot of stuff like that,

where we would let's say we had a customer and let me back up just a bit.

But, you know, our company is a gear company, first and foremost.

So 1984 was when it was founded.

We make a lot of internal components for transfer cases and manual transmissions.

So we had big remanufacturers, you know, builders shop, you know, large shops.

And that's kind of how we focused on, you know,

regionally growing the brand revolution.

So we would, let's say, fly into a Kansas city or an Oklahoma city.

And then we would plan out a full week where we would start there

and just kind of sweep that that regional area talking about, you know,

revolution and what we do, because there's a lot of overlap.

Like you, like I'm sure you're aware of, right?

There's a lot of guys that are building transfer cases and transmissions

that also do differential, but we would also look and just do Google

and Yelp searches where, you know, hey, there's X amount on off roadshops.

There's X amount of differential repair in the area.

And we would just really just knock on doors and just spread the word.

But to really answer your question, yeah, I would say about the last three years.

Wow, it's it's just it's just taken off.

You know, it's it's a testament to I think our team, really, you know,

you would do these shows, whether they're the larger shows or the small

even the smaller shows. And there was a point in time where

you talk to 10 people within an hour and two, three

of them would know who you are.

And, you know, it's very rare that somebody comes up to the booth now and says,

I don't know who you are.

So it's just, you know, it just proves a lot of hard works paid off.

Yeah, I get it.

And I can identify entirely too well, because quite frankly,

12 was when I went full time as well.

And we were part time, you know, part time business prior to that

and full time enthusiasts and 12 is when I kind of, you know,

kind of took the leap of faith involuntarily, but got out there

regardless. And then that concept of, you know, continuing to kind of

carve out market share, I get it, you know, entirely in an organic

fashion, who's just like, Hey, we have this great core, this great

foundational purpose. And then you got to you got to get in front of

the Jeepers. And I always said we will go where the Jeepers are at.

And that way we can kind of, you know, share the message.

And exactly what you're saying, as far as, you know, at one time,

you got to really bite and fight and scratch to get people to go,

Hey, you're a legitimate business. And now there's oftentimes,

you know, not there's not often an occasion where people haven't

heard a little bit about you, you know, so what you're sharing

is I get it entirely too well. And of course, when 12 when

you guys branded kind of the boom between 12 and 1617 was

this, this, this boom market for gearing, because of course, the

Oh, seven to 11 JK was just hot garbage, and was geared poorly

with an underdog of an engine. And, and, and gears were just a

hot topic. Every, you know, Jim, Bob and Harry was was

trying to make a gear just to do something with this

minivan motor Jeep. So I get it. And you guys obviously

started to do some market share. Now, what I think is

interesting for folks at home who are listening, I heard you

mentioned white box production. Maybe could you break that down

to maybe if somebody's unfamiliar with what that means?

Yeah, so it's just an unbranded gear, right? So we

manufacture our product. And there's, whether it's like I

said, let's just say it's a large factory that just

rebuilds or remanufactures axles, right? So they strip

it. The sandblast that obviously paint the actual axle

housing, and then those stuff with guts, you know, carriers,

whether it's an open carrier, a positive locker, ring

opinion, and then axle shafts. So, you know, a lot of those

guys will just on a white box program, right? And then

there's other gear, manual aftermarket gear

manufacturers that do the same thing, whether it's almost

the whole percentage of their their gear line, or it's 10%

or 20 or 30 or 50. It doesn't really matter. But that's kind

of where I think we really want a lot of fans over as far as

just more so shop owners and installers, right? Where I

think, you know, the first two or three conversations you

and I had. And listen, just like you started this episode

off, you know, you're a loyal guy. And I even told you that

when you were like, Listen, I just don't have room for you. But

you know, anytime you see me, stop by and say hello. And I

can't appreciate that so much just in the sense that I need

and I want customers the same way. Right? So I kind of

digress there. But you know, we that was the thing that I

pushed so hard on on installers or shop owners was just

give us a shot. Just the gear setup consistency, which obviously

time is money. That's such a huge factor, right? The quality

hands down is there. But the the ease of install is I think

what really want to heart the hearts over of a lot of these

these shops. And why I say that is because of our main

principle is we don't rebox anything if it comes in a green

revolution box, it's 100% our product, right? So for quality

control reasons, for setup reasons, it's really second to none,

at least in the aftermarket, right? You know, you mentioned

the Dana Spicer have have, you know, they're a great company.

They're the I mean, it's Dana Spicer, right?

Right, absolutely. They're not they're obviously not

reboxing anyone's product. But you know, on the after

market side, we are the only company that can say that. And I

can say that with certainty.

Absolutely. Yes. And that that was exactly one of our biggest

frustrations. And of course, you know, I when we met and I

I'm I can't exactly, you know, articulate when that was and we

had developed, as far as SFJ four by four was concerned, we

had developed a lifeline relationship with Yukon. And

so we had the Yukon that we had a we had a rep there who was a

really gifted gear and axle mind, like he understood bearings

and races and, you know, ring gear cuts. And there is still a

couple individuals there within their tech department who

arguably are very gifted gear minds, right? But this this

rep was awesome. And he, you know, for the most part, really

benefited our business as far as kind of putting us in tune with

things that were on the the edge of the market, right, the

pulse of the market. And that helped build our brand. And then

we have a specific technician, while everybody here has touched

gears in some capacity, doing axles ourselves years ago, we

have one technician, our lead performance mechanic, who just

again, has a gifted brain for it. And I value his feedback

highly in the process, but then also the logistics of the

business. And so we had been doing a lot of setup with Yukon

and and so we would oftentimes give our customers an option,

whether they wanted Yukon or Spicer, you know, ring

and pinions. But then there was kind of these alternative

options, as far as like there was warranties on their ring

and pinions. And there was other products that maybe Spicer

doesn't make as easy to access for the aftermarket, maybe, you

know, would be a gear kit bundle, you know, it created some

customer service, and some ease of consumption from our part

from our consumer standpoint, the brand Yukon helped sell

our ability to be relevant in the gear market. As things,

you know, moved and changed, the reboxing became a problem. You

and this is where I was going with you, you, you kind of came

up to me one day, we were at a, you know, Bantam. And again, I

think you were on the edge of the market, you saw things

coming, you and Revolution by extension were like, hey, you

might need us one day. And that was that was all you know

what I mean? And you were like, you know, I get I get

solicited constantly with people far more pushy than your

approach. And it, you know, Jeff, Jeff, oftentimes as our

front end filter, we'll just like hang up, not not that he'll

just hang up the phone, but he'll he'll filter out

I mean, I literally tried to bill somebody for using up my

time.

You did. You did.

A solicitor called the other day, and he said, well, I'm

going to start to invoice you now. So, you know, so that

wasn't that wasn't your approach. It was I think

you were on the cusp of the market, and you said, hey, I

can see some things coming, right? And at that time, we

still had, I don't know, 11,000 air quotes, you know, gear

in an axle retailers, you know, because every Jim Bob all

of a sudden, I mean, you know, Rough Country Nitro. And then

all of the subsidiary lines were selling rings and

opinions, you know what I mean? And alloy USA and G

to a lot of ones who are not relevant by today's

markets, but there was a saturation. Sure. You were

kind of like, Hey, just keep me in mind. So from our

standpoint, when we started unwrapping boxes from what

we felt was a reputable supplier, and it was a rebox.

And, and then setups weren't going quite as well, and

setups were going poorly. And we'd have, you know,

people mistakenly say, Oh, Dana 44 is a Dana 44 is a

Dana 44 until it isn't right. And that goes with any, you

know, manual transmissions would be the same way. You know,

it's 79, T18, and it's 80, T18 are very different

transmissions. So when you have that fringe stuff, and

well, since we do 41 to present, we see all of it,

right? When you don't have a company that's able to

assist, when you take it apart, and like suddenly

there's a seal here, or this one has a little bit of a

different thrush washer. And you need to figure that out when

you don't have a competent person on the other side of the

phone, that you can kind of like, Hey, I want to put this

back. We don't want to be the business that just goes, Oh,

well,

car. And that's exactly the thing is that we don't really

get the easy jobs. You know, I mean, you're talking

about that. And we're not the business who goes, Oh, well,

your SOL, we're the guys who have to, you know, dig

down and roll up our sleeves and figure it out, figure it

out. And and that we were lacking that what we once had

because that individual that rep that I was talking about with

Yukon, he was moved on in some capacity. And that

relationship started to struggle. And we got the

re boxes and then cuts of gears, a lot of people at

home don't understand that specifically our technician and

all technicians oftentimes, if the edges of the gears are

too harsh, they'll actually make noise and hum. And a lot of

people who set them up and you see these horror stories about

gears being noisy, our technician oftentimes, he was

getting out the ring opinion. And he was dressing the

gears for longer and longer, because the cart the cut was

entirely too square or imperfect in the process. And

dressing the gears for folks who are at home is basically

filing each and every tooth of the ring opinion on both

sides, on both sides, you know, and because of impurities and

our interest in having a good quality setup, just a race of

the bottom because like you had said, we had so many different

manufacturers on the scene. So suddenly you have people just

looking at price alone. Yes, they don't understand the

quality aspect. They don't understand how much time you're

going to lose on setup. So it's myself kind of good to see a

company like revolution, looking at the quality and going,

No, we are not going to sell a product that way.

Correct. And I think that's the biggest frustration is I feel

like we all think there's a little bit of as a consumer, I

think one of our triggers is this is the smoke and mirrors

the bait and switch. Yes. Right. And so if you are, we've

all seen it on the mechanical side of things. It's like my

receipt says I got blah installed. And then I open up the

hood and I'm like, Oh, wait a second, they told me and I'm

making stuff up, folks. They told me I was getting a dormant

part. And now all of a sudden I have a rugged ridge part or

vice versa. Yeah. You know, now it's like, well, I feel I

feel a little taken advantage of. And from a supply chain

logistic, that's how we felt when we would open up a

particular gear setup kit from not Dana Spicer. And we would

get somebody else's gears in there.

The part I love that I remember the most is we got a rebox

rebox once we did. Yep. And we're looking at we're like,

holy crap, you know, this is literally from this other

supplier that we actually have an account with. And we just

gone straight to them. Yes. And they're not making gears

they're just reboxing as well. Yes. And we're like, how did

we get here? Yes. Yeah, I think it's it's tricky, right? It, you

know, and I never go I never have conversations with anyone,

whether it's, you know, we're obviously live right now. But

if we were talking in a private conversation, I myself and my

wholesale team, we're not going to trash any of our

competitors. I think that's a, you know, let's jump in.

That's okay, you I respect that. I'm going to put their

business out there, though, because that's the that's

what our our customers deserve, right? And we're we're here to

be in the middle of that just like I'm not going to put any of

our, you know, other builders or anybody else necessarily out on

blast. That's not my job. My job is to explain to you how we

do things with excellence. Now, if there's somebody within the

supply chain, who's not holding up their end of the

bargain, then our customers, then our community deserves to

know that, right? So one's a business moral piece, and I

can respect that for you guys. On the other hand, one is a

defense of our community. And that's where I'm going to step

in, you know,

you know, when certain companies and it's not just

specific to the automotive industry, right? It's it's

branding, right? It's grown. It's just having this huge

conglomerate, right? And, and, you know, so I guess what I'm

getting at is you, there's a couple paths you can go down

go down. But I believe to and specific to what we're

talking about. And it's you want the skews, and you're going to

keep growing the skews, but you can actually keep up with

manufacturing of those, of those, those right, right? And then

that's when you get into where you have to look to the

supply chain, look to other companies. With ourselves, we

just decided at a, you know, at an early stage, and this

predates, you know, me being with the company, we're not

going to do that. And is there times that we're going

to lose sales on stuff? Yeah, because you you guys call me up

today and say, I need this gear package, and I don't have the

rears, I can tell you the fronts. And you know, and some

people don't want to mix match, and I can understand that some

people don't have a problem with it. And sometimes you have no

choice but to mix and match because availability off the

supply chain. What I'm getting at is, is we took an early on

approach to where we're just going to be, you know, open,

honest, you know, nobody boxing. And if that means we lose

out in a sale here or there, it is what it is. But we thought

just the way we're going to market and how we wanted to

grow this brand and grow this company is that that was the

right approach for us. So yeah, it hurts at times. Now, as

we've gotten more popular in our sales, you know, keep

increasing year after year, that obviously allows us to

go into production on more, you know, gears for the next

batch, or higher quantities or whatever that may be. So we

see less of it. Because fortunately, for us, we've

seen, you know, exponential growth over the last three,

four, five years. But again, it was in the early days, it was

tricky, right? It's like, All right, this, we're gonna, this

is the cross we're gonna bear. And there's going to be some

growing pains from time to time. And not that there isn't

still growing pains. But I think it's, it's a lot easier

to navigate through those, through those instances.

Absolutely. And I respect the company that's willing to just

put a line in the sand. Like, our quality is important, we'd

rather not sell you a gear, then sell you a crappy set of gears

that is just in a different box. Because again, that stings

for someone along that supply chain logistics.

And in their defense of sorts, their contention is and was,

hey, you still get our warranty, you get our

reputability, reputability, if you have a setup issue,

you can call our, our tech line. And I can, I from a business

standpoint, I can identify and understand what their contention

is. I can also simply accept that that's not how I'm going to

do business. For our customers, when they come to us, the

expectation is that we do have a line in the sand. And again,

we're going to miss market share on some people, right?

Because they're just budget minded, they don't care,

they're just trying to flip the vehicle, whatever it might

be. And that's just, I always been my belief is that there's

enough business to go around for the, the vast majority of

businesses, so long as you're doing things in a reputable

fashion. And then, and that's how we then pick and choose our

supply chain logistics, you know? So I appreciate it. As far

as, you know, as far as the quality of revolution is

concerned, are you willing to disclose some of the things that

make you guys unique in your quality approach?

Well, I, I, the obvious one is what I first touched on, right?

Not reboxing. So from a quality control standpoint, it comes

from the same factory every single time, which ease of

setup is associated with that. You know, there's we all of

our, I would say most of our top skews. And this is something

to keep in mind. And it's the same with my competitors. I'm

not saying we're any different in this regard. But, you know,

we're highly known in the Jeep and the Toyota communities

because of the off-roading and the overlanding. But, you

know, we make a full line of differential products, right?

So, you know, for example, people always are kind of

amazed by this, because again, we're associated with with

Jeep, you know, Jeeps and Toyotas. But GM 10 bolts is what

keeps the lights on. I mean, there's so many 10 bolts out

the Chrysler 9 and the quarters huge sellers for us. What I'm

getting at is is our really popular, our skews or and or

differentials that are just kind of finicky. A Chrysler 9

and a quarter is one of them. We make two cuts for those in

a two cut ring and pinion. The old school version has a five

cut. And I can explain that or if you guys even want to

elaborate. But what it is basically is you got a five

cut, you got the ring gear that's cut three times, and you

got a pinion that's cut twice, the total's five cuts. What

they're talking about on the two cut is where it's a

more precise cut, and the ring gear is only cut once and

the pinion's cut once. The other thing to that differentiates

itself from a five cut is that the tooth profile. So if you're

looking at a ring gear, the inside of that circle is the

toe, and that the tooth on the outside is the heel. Now,

obviously, I know you guys know that, but talking to the

audience, if they may not know that, is there is more

material on a two cut the profile of that tooth, if you

were to look from toe to heel, on a five cut, a traditional

one is from the outside in, it's thicker and it tapers off. So

there's less actual tooth or material, right? On a two cut

that tooth profile is the same from heel to toe. So obviously

what you know, more material, a stronger, more contact pattern

that that's always a good thing. So between precise cut

gears, more, you know, more contact surface, it's just a

superior gear. You know, 10 bolts, Christ, nine or quarters, 8.8

40.8 and all the our jail lineup, that's those are all two

cut gears. It doesn't mean a five cuts bet, don't get me

wrong. That's not what I'm saying. It's just, you know,

we decide, you know, there's only one gear company that

makes a two two cut gear. Why shouldn't say that? But as far as

Jeeps go, Dana Spicer is a two cut ring and pin for sure. And

we're the only other company that makes a two cut for a JLJT.

You know, I think it's fun. And this is where I totally

nerd out and nerd it out years ago. Is that this, it's a

my to my understanding is is literally about the machine

that is cutting the ring and pinion. And I think that that's

sometimes lost on on people because as a general consumer, we

look in at a business and we're like, Well, they should just

have infinite money, infinite resources to this magic. Yeah,

there's magic. There's a magic wand. And they should just

have the latest and greatest machine or technology or

whatever to do their job. And the reality is that, you

know, that that's not always the case that sometimes

manufacturers and it doesn't matter what industry it is,

they're shoving a machine in the shape of its, you know, of its

duties to produce a product. And so there's been a number of

stories about manufacturers, specifically in the gear

industry, buying and selling old school machines to each

other or within the, you know, within that manufacturing

chain, or overseas. And, and now a manufacturer is able to

offer a different cut because the five cut, as you mentioned, is

is not uncommon by any stretch. And that was the, you know,

standard of manufacturing at one time. It still is. It still

is to the state. Right, right. And the two cut just happens

to be a machine that does it better. And that's a kind of

an oversimplified, you know, nature of it. But I think

that that's fascinating. Of course, it aids in the longevity

aids in the quietness of the gears. There's a bunch of

advantages. But again, the actual kind of society as a whole

accepts a five cut ring and penion. And they're none the

wiser, right? The average person is none the wiser. That

was interesting. As we started to work with your guys stuff

more and more, you actually include instructions or tips for

whatever cut of gear it is. Sure, you know, because, and

listen, an experienced gear guy is going to understand that. But

there's I know a lot of guys that might not have set up a ton

of to two cut gears. Because again, a five cuts just it's

been around forever. So the pattern looks a little bit

different. It takes a little bit getting used to some of the

setup is almost the opposite of what you would do to get

that correct pattern on a five cut compared to a two cut.

So there's a little bit of tips and tricks of the trade. So

so you can read that gear pattern, right? Like I said,

sometimes you actually might have a good gear pattern on a

two cup. You don't think you have a good pattern just

because of the way that shape in the marking compound is

compared to a, you know, a traditional five cut. So, you

know, listen, we try to do our best to give you all the

tools right up front. But you know, if not, and it

happens, you know, that's why we have a sales sales and

customer customer support team waiting for you. We've got a lot

of guys with a lot of experience. Just we've really

assembled a great team over the years, pretty really proud of

these guys.

Yeah, that's awesome. And I, I have all the respect in the

world for a company that is not looking to blow smoke

that they're going, Hey, this isn't magic. This is nuts

and bolts. And yet, we understand that there's a

technical difference between that, right? Because I think

there's too many companies who, you know, kind of employ that

reboxing method method, that misdirection method to be

like, what we do is magic. And you're supposed to just

accept that. And, you know, and, and, you know, as far as

with evolution is going, Hey, we have both these cuts of

gears. And here's we need you to be successful with

both of them. Whereas I think there's, again, a number of

businesses that are going, you don't need to know this

information. You know what I mean? Like, close enough, is

going to be good enough in this situation. And you guys

are going, we can make it better.

I think, you know, what you're alluding to is, is we

take our partnerships with with the shops and remanufactures

and whoever it is, very seriously, right? Because it

is a partnership. And I think when you start looking

away from that, don't feel it's a partnership. That's, that's

kind of when things can fall apart. So we try to stay humble.

You know, I always say this, you know, I'm pretty positive

now, as of in the last year, we are the only aftermarket

gear company that's still family owned and operated,

which is huge today, right? I think that plays in

the morals and a lot of different things. We're

also better known and operated. So I think we

take those, those core values and really put it

into our customer service and obviously the product

itself. Absolutely. So speaking of that, that ownership

and operation, where is headquarters? Where is

distribution? You know, what some of those logistics?

Yes. So headquarters is in the suburbs of Chicago, about

30 miles west of the city. And that's what I'm at

headquarters. And then our second location is just

outside of Los Angeles, Santa Fe Springs, California. So

those would be our two offices and warehouse space,

distribution spaces. Then obviously we have a ton,

pretty much all the main players and with WDs or

warehouse distribution. So, and you know, that's,

that's nice, right? Because, you know, in the

beginning, when you have, like you said, an

oversaturated space, which I feel like 10 years ago

was very oversaturated, just a ton of brands and

gear companies, not necessarily all making

their gears, but they had a brand at least, right?

Yes. And it was hard, obviously, just to get even

into the shops, but let alone then go to some of the

big auto parts distributors and say, Hey, you know,

we'd like for you to, you know, be a distributor of

our product. And they kind of look at you and

like, well, why, why should we bring on a

seventh gear company? Right. So that was, that was,

that was a struggle. But again, kind of in,

like I said, about the last three years is really

when, when everything just kind of the, the, the

light switch was flipped on and everything just

kind of fallen into place. What would you

attribute that to? I think a lot of different

things. I think, you know, focusing on what

we're doing, I think just staying the course with

our, with what we believe in, like I said, as

far as how we want to go to market and that's

not reboxing, I think hiring the right people

along the way, adding to our team, growing to our

team. But again, picking those, those, those

right people, but it starts, you know, you

know, listen, I take it back to my military,

guys, I was on an aircraft carrier and, you

know, we used to a lot of the guys in the

skin of the ship. And what I mean by that

is on the inside, that does all the little

tedious, maniacal, um. Oh, don't worry. If you

haven't watched our program, Scott can't speech

worth a darn. There's a disconnection between

here and here. That's between his brain and his

mouth. And so I, you know, you fit right in.

Don't worry about it. And honestly, you can,

you can just blow it through the word. We

will know what it is. We'll smirk. We'll

probably make fun of you, but you just keep

going. And our listeners will understand.

Yeah, I'm speaking their language. That's

right. They've listened this far. They're

going to keep going. Yeah. Yeah. So what I

was getting at was a quick story is, you

know, there's a lot of support, support

cast or support team for, for whatever

you, whatever company you work for,

organization. And in my instance, I

worked on the flight deck, right? And a

lot of those guys, especially when I

was in, you know, was at kind of the

height of the war over there. And a lot

of those guys would get down because,

you know, they're scrubbing decks or

they're cooking the food or they're kind

of buried in a small compartment and

they're not, you know, unfortunately

get to see the sunlight or get, feel

that breeze and, you know, just camaraderie

can get down at times. You know, for

us, I had a high intensity job on a

flight deck, launching and recovering

aircraft, right? So there's different

ways to, to, to bring about that

camaraderie. And, and I think kind of

to sum this up is, is one, I think we

have really good camaraderie. We have

the right people. So that is

leadership down. But we tried to show

that we're a family and everyone

works together. So my point is, is like

the guys and admin here and just the

simple stuff, right? And then not so

simple stuff. Think about the

warehouse guys. Those guys really

bust their humps. And if they're not

working at max capacity and we can't

ship the product, I don't care how good

the product is. So, you know, I think

guys like myself and my sales team

sometimes, you know, we're the face

if you will, because we get to do cool

things like this podcast. We've done a

number of TV shows. We've got a couple

TV episodes coming out soon. You see

us at SEMA. You see it as all the,

all the cool shows like Jeep Beach

and Smokey Mountain Invasion and all

that stuff, right? But there's so

much support supporting cast that just

kind of don't get the kudos, the

pat on the back. We, obviously, we do

that and try to do it and tell them,

hey man, every cog in the wheel is

important. So, you know, just to kind

of sum that up, you know, those are

the types of things where it's

sometimes the guys that you can't

see, you don't see or don't think

about that really play a huge factor

in a brand like ourselves and growing

that brand and staying relevant and

just keep pushing, pushing that

threshold. So, we have a commenter

saying that they're about to have a

8-8 and put into their 92 and we're

making them think of everything that

they need to ask the shop about

gears. With that being said, are

there questions that you would

recommend a general Jeep or ask

their local shop before getting new

gears? Yeah, I mean, yes, I would.

You know, if it's not a shop that you've

been to multiple times, let's say, you

know, I would ask questions. You know,

is the physical work of installing

a gear maybe might not be overly hard,

meaning just the, you know, unbolting

stuff? Yeah, that's probably not that

overly difficult, but as you guys

well aware, there's specialty tools,

right? There's no one how to use those

specialty tools and how to read the

backlash gauge. My point is, it's

complicated because of all the steps

that you need to take and all the

fine potential adjustments that you

need to do, right? So, you know, if I

were going into a shop that I don't

know well and I don't have that

relationship, it would be, you know,

in relations to my product would be,

do you have a dedicated gear guy

and how maybe how long has the guy

been installing gears? And then as

far as the product goes, I, you

know, I think for the most part, but

I'm sure there's quite a bit of

install kits out there that aren't

using quality bearings and maybe

quality small parts. I think a lot of

times that stuff could be overlooked.

But listen, if you're not using a

reputable brand for bearings, I

don't care how good the gear is

manufactured. You have a bearing

failure and it's either getting

redone or, you know, these things

is people don't necessarily know

this, you know, you can't just

simply replace a ring gear or you

can't just simply replace opinion

if one of the, if part of that gear

set fails, right? Those gears are

lapped together during the

manufacturing process and so think

of them as they're married together,

right? So, if one goes bad, you

got to replace both or there is

instances where if you have a bad

bearing and you wear a bad pattern

into the gear, you might not

necessarily have a bad gear, but

for the life of that gear set,

you're going to have maybe some

wine or some noise and that can

be annoying to the consumer,

right? So, to my point, those

small parts are just as

important as the gear set and if

you're not using, you know, I

would say obviously the top two

would be Tempkin and Coio in

our space. That's not to say

there's not other good

bearings, right? National SKF

just a few that come to mind,

but if you're not using a really

good bearing, that gear set up

is, you know, I'm not saying it's

going to fail, but I think you

definitely have a greater chance

of having a noisy gear set.

How we look at bearings here as

we first started looking at

what the OEs were using and

Tempkin and Coio were pretty

much the standard and if they're

willing to put a vehicle out at

the price they cost and with

the warranty they elaborate and

they're willing to put their name

on a Tempkin or a Coio then we

feel the same way.

Quick question going back a

little bit before we get too

far about the two cut or one

cut versus five cut. Does it

matter on the gear ratio which

cut you get or is it pretty

much an axle like JK44 is going

to be the one way JL44 is

going to be another way or is it

when you get off into the deeper

cuts I know for back in the

olden days when we would do TJs

and you get like a 488 and the

gears were very, opinion had was

very small and you're in almost

a different world. Does that

when cuts make a difference?

I mean it probably doesn't hurt

that's and that's a great

question but no it's not

necessarily a five cut versus

two cut as far as the deeper

ratios you get. Like I said it

probably doesn't hurt but it's

not necessarily when we go to

market we're like alright 410s

456s and 488s we're going to

make a five cut and then 513s

and numerically higher we're

going to go to a two cut.

That's not how we

necessarily go about that so

that's a great question though

that very good question.

But is it then JL actual

versus JK axle? Is that what I

was understanding from you?

I think it's our JKs are five

cut. That's what I thought.

Your JKs are five cut JLs are

two cut then.

Yeah we started off when we

first we were actually the

first aftermarket company to

release JL gears and I think

again that was kind of at

the start of that turning

point so we were like we

just rushed not rushed like

where we made mistakes we

just we want to get a

product out there we want

we want to be front and

center that we got this new

model the new models was just

released but we made it

because it was the easiest to

make in a five cut right

and then as time went on we

were like you know we like to

do we like to keep our standard

at an OE level right and so if

the OE is going to is making

something we kind of have

that mindset that we want to

be at least as good I mean if

you can be better that's

great but that's kind of

where our mindset was and we

do you know we've had we had

such great success on the

other axle family in the two

cut and that was really the

only reason you know we saw

an opening to where it was

like nobody else is doing

this other than OE so again

we we want to be in that

conversation. Absolutely. Now

kind of hopscotching around

on the eight eight level one

of the things that I and

kind of goes to my

conversation about brands and

who and how I'll put on blast

and arguably my contention is

not to kind of lump brands

into good and bad but basically

product offerings and you know

kind of general expectations

that a company can make certain

lines very very good and other

production lines you know not

so good or they don't care

about right it's a pursuit

that they're not fully

invested in so oftentimes I'll

be critical of in a suspension

you know I there's a particular

rough country suspension that

I absolutely abhor that is

sold but we do in fact sell

rough country and so my

intention is not necessarily to

say that rough country is a

bad company because they're

not they're actually a very

good company but that there

are product lines that they

offer that I don't think

that are worth our customers

time energy and resources and

so with that said about

Yukon and I was putting them

you know out there earlier

and I want them to be you know

fulfill the integrity and to

just simply do what they said

they're going to do so with

that and the 88 that's being

built one of the things that

I still use from Yukon would

be their 88 big bearing

on the C Clip Eliminator kit

is that a kit or a product that

revolution also has available

for the market are you familiar

with that yeah yeah I'm

familiar with it we don't

you know that's that kind of

goes back to where you know I

definitely would say we have a

full line of axle offerings

because we do but there's

there's some little niche

things where we don't have

that and I think that also

plays into where and I have

no clue if if they make it

or they source it right and

I'm not even speculating but I

think that just at least on our

end kind of comes into play

where we're over the last

two three years in that growth

that's when we're starting to

look at some of that that more

niche stuff and saying all right

we need to have an offering for

it so I hate using the term

playing catch up on that stuff

but we just decided to focus in

different areas and growing in

different ways but we're always

I mean it is it's daily I mean

and that's what I love about

our sales reps I mean it's

it's five ten twenty times a

day where they're like we

need to come out with this

and we need to come out

with tickets because I have a

spreadsheet and we discuss it

at in our weekly sales

meetings we discuss it in our

management meetings and you know

I think we got some really cool

exciting stuff coming out but to

your point where it's the

growth has been so rapid over

those three years something

like you know the 88 you know

Eliminator kit where you're

just like it's there it's on a

list it's just you know we

where it is on the list it's

one of those situations to

we've had to actually kind of

rain in some customers that when

you own a TJ the TJ stuff seems

very valid and appropriate and

then when you have a CJ owner

that stuff is very appropriate to

him and you have to kind of

remind them like well how many

CJ owners nationwide are

regearing their axles how many

TJs now nationwide are

putting eight eights in at one

time it was very common we'd

have two or three a month and

at this point once a year yeah

I was gonna say TJs and the

eight eights for specifically

yes I mean have gone down I

mean we just recently but we

were actually rebuilding

refreshing and eight eight that

we had done without this kit a

few years prior you know and

that's we're not even doing

fresh eight eight builds

necessarily right so that's

something that you kind of

always need to be cognizant

of the market is what sells

every day is JL and JT kits

correct JKs will probably

flank right after that and

then the others will follow

suit and that is primarily

the people are looking to

upgrade not maintenance their

vehicles obviously older

vehicles will need maintenance

but then they're going to want

to go back with what they

have and around here

explorers are not on the

road anymore right so that

accessing an eight eight in

that in that regard is

harder than ever it's a

depreciating asset that's a

great point I mean it's we

kind of decided what we're

going to do you know what

what the market dictates

right and I would love to

have everything but again

that will also then goes

against because the fastest

way to do that is to then

maybe look outside to fill

those those voids and you

know it's just not something

we're willing to come we

just call it we won't

compromise our quality

quality control but to your

point if there's still a

market that doesn't mean that

we don't come up with stuff

that on some of the older

models right we do you know

we launched a dry shaft line

probably about two years ago

now and we just did it for

the JLJT's and JK's because

we're kind of feeling it out

and then about probably

just three four months ago

we went back you know we

did XJ's and and and

TJ's and LJ's so that doesn't

mean you know if a if a

product category is going

well and we see you know in a

dry shaft maybe not a

perfect example right you

know a driveline is in a

sense a driveline right you

know you just as long as

you're taking measurements

and and you're using a

good quality tubing and and

slip yolks and you know you

joints and and the

balancing is done correctly

but my point is is if we

see a whole or we see that

we were getting on traction

on something then that's

something where we can go

back and fit some of those

older vehicles just because

you brought it up and I feel

like I'm the technical guy

here for this conversation

for some reason on your dry

shafts do you come with

yolks that need to be

swapped on the axles or

they made with flanges

for like specifically the

JK and the JL where they

will bolt in place of the

original bolt in place I

mean you can do what we have

to you can do the bolt in

place of the flange or you

can do a yoke you know

obviously somebody that's

you know going to try to you

know force if we're selling

direct to a consumer and

they want to just do it on

their back in their driveway

the flange is the way to

go absolutely you know

first something that's a

little bit stronger that

that pinion yoke is the

way to is the way to go

now that's something that

they're going to have to

go like that you're

guys shopping in my opinion

because now you're talking

about crushed leave and

in all kinds of things now

that's more of a technical

thing right because you

got to make sure you get

your pinion very preloads

correct and so on and so

forth we've seen it very

often where the consumer

just doesn't understand

that detail and their

buddy will grab their

impact like I'll get it

done and next thing they

know their axle is

compromised for a

multitude of reasons so we

have not only educated but

rebuilt those axles in

those situations to the point

that we have literally

brought that up to a

conversation when people

are doing axles what dry

shafts are you going to use

now and in six months

into a year because some

things need to go together

one time right

right yeah absolutely so

Matt what how did you

personally get involved

you know so you spoke a

little bit on your

military service which is

you know admirable and we

appreciate that thanks but

how do you make that

transition and you yourself

get into gears and

axle gears and internals

yeah I mean that's it's kind

of a try not to be super

long-winded it's kind of

been a I guess in the

beginning was a weird

voyage but I got out

I got out what's called

January 1st 2008 from

military and I was a jet

mechanic in the Navy so I

got out and worked at the

airport did that for about

a year that was right when

that the great recession

if you want to call that

and fortunately I didn't

lose my job but they

basically came in

management came in one

day and was and basically

was like we're not going

to lay anyone off but

everyone's taken a 30%

pay cut and I was I mean

30% is 30% so I that

paired with I didn't love

aviation as a civilian

compared to military and I

think it was just solely

because like I said I was

fortunate to work on a

flight deck I mean you want

to talk about organized

chaos it was always

exciting you know the

danger element to it too

and then you know you're

working on a flight line

at an airport and you're

just like wow this I

realized it was probably

less about being the

mechanic but just the

environment I was a

mechanic in right so

after that that that

they came in and said you're

going to take you're going

to take a pay decrease

I started looking elsewhere

long story short

I had a buddy I was put

a lot of fuelers out there

and he's and he said I

think you'd be you know

you're a very personal

dude I think you I think

you do well in sales

so my first sales job was

liquor sales I did that

for about a year and then

kind of the same effect

with the economy was still

terrible and that was union

so I was just low man on

the totem pole so they

furloughed like 200 employees

so I wasn't fired per se

but I was let go and I

reached out to my uncle

and my uncle had been in

the automotive industry for

God 30 years and you

know he was like listen

I'll put fuelers out there

chances are if I can get you

something it's not industry

related I so I don't I don't

really care necessarily

what industry it is but I

really do enjoy sales

but I did I wasn't treated

the automotive industry

because I had a mechanical

background right so

long story short I said

that I think that's the

second or third time I said

long story short hey you

know what you're talking

to us and again right

there nobody's going to be

surprised about this not

one bit all right good

so maybe six weeks later

uncle calls me up says

you're not going to believe

this he goes the people

keep this job just because

it's fun and it's you know

the company you work for

paid fairly well anyways

got me a job I was there

for just shy of a decade

and I was I was a territory

sales manager so I was

in charge of a large

part of the Chicago

metropolitan area five

actual individual part

stores and two warehouses

and I just called on on shops

you know and then and kind

of territory sales manager

was like a liaison between

the shops and the stores

and the distribution centers

we had and then

overall really good company

that I worked for enjoyed my

time there was some things

that towards the end is

when I kind of started

looking to maybe do something

else and the owner of

revolution our company was

looking at the time for

an outside salesperson

because the company had

had an outside salesperson

and it was just a few years

after the branding right

so still very new

and still very fresh

and I got to tell you

just you know he sold me

on the idea of being a part

of a startup more or less

in growing a brand

and then that just sounded

that sounded sexy

it's it sounded super

intriguing and you know

and we had a lot we could

relate on he was also

he was a naval officer

who had just gotten out

maybe the year prior

so we kind of connected

on that level as well

and I took a leap of faith

and here we are

very cool years later I believe

you know we definitely understand

yeah we again

we understand that all too well

we are you know

kind of the clock is ticking on us

is there anything that

you would have liked to have shared

with us or with our listeners

you know that maybe

there wasn't an opportune time

no listen I love the open forum

you know format where

you know sometimes it's

you know it's always good to be prepared

but I think you know you guys

are running an awesome show here

and it's super laid back

kind of Wayne's World Vibes

which I love

I'm not

OK

OK I don't know that I felt that one

but you know we'll take it

I think it's more a grandma's couch

like you said right

and I mean that

I love Wayne's World

it holds a special place

on my heart that's

actually they filmed it in Los Angeles

but it's supposed to take place

in a parent's basement in Chicago

so

no I think we cover a lot of things

I mean I obviously

you know

we talked about our core values

we talked about

you know

you know it's

what we manufacture

we didn't really touch on axles

I think

you know we sell a ton of axles

so just you know just to throw that out there

you know we have

a great axle program

as far as axle shafts go

you know just touched on the

the drive shafts

and we're

we're looking at the expand

I mean you know

what I mean by that is coming out with maybe

ratios that we have holes

where the industry has holes

some new axle kits

that we want to come out with

because the 40 through 40

chromolies are a hit

obviously in the Jeep community

we're always looking to expand

different axle families

you know doesn't necessarily

speak to Jeep

but we're always looking at

what the vehicle

what vehicles are popular and off-roading right

the Colorado

there was a competitor of ours that went out of business

last year and I think they were about

the only one in the market with a gear for it

and then so we were like

all right there's a hole there

and there's a demand there

because we started getting phone call after phone call

so we came out with the

the late model Colorado and

Canyon gears and they've been selling great

but no I think

we touched on a lot of things keeping it

light and and just just a fun

conversation to have with the gentlemen

but you know you go to

revolutiongear.com at any time

anything that we have new

or that's either coming out or we just

released will be you know

spotlighted on the home screen

you know

I

all the success that our company has had

over the last few years it's not lost on me

or anyone within the company

you know it's fun doing stuff like this right

you know like I said we just did a TV show

that's going to be coming out in

December and January I believe the

that's three episodes

but being asked to do those

television shows being asked to do

podcasts like this that's where I

what I mean more it's not lost on

me in revolution right because

you know there was a time we were

being asked to do this stuff so that's

really what kind of showcases

our grassroots

approach to it and

you know the work the hard work

is paying off now awesome

absolutely and congratulations to you guys for

that and appreciate your

approach you know years ago when you first

you know solicited me

and and and kind of look where we're at

now and and you know our opportunity

to kind of continue to grow our brands

together I hope that our

listeners all enjoyed

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Matt staying in with us while our

weekend updates I think is happening

I thought that's what I overheard

so my weekend update was kind of a crash

and burn and then

tafting to soothe my

soreness by calling

more junk home so

we tried to

dig

with a backhoe in a round hole

and even though the 24 inches sound so big

it's not quite big enough to use

the backhoe to do that

so we tried for an hour

and then we tried to

cattywampus think of how we're going to make

something to do it and then I

heard you in my head and I just

was like oh no I'm going to wave in the white flag

I'm going to message the professional

and I'm going to be like please

come save my

save me so

after that kind of just wallowed in self pity

and then fair

the next day went to a class

and then afterwards went and hauled home

a 317

Lincoln

Y block

because it was going to get scrapped and I can't

let that happen

are you freaking kidding me

it is the first Y block Ford made

and it is a big

Y block which means it shares no parts

with any other Y block as such for the

big truck Y blocks so this is a perfect

thing for Scott the Horde

why I don't know

why it is a boat anchor

let it become a boat anchor

that's fair let it I mean

China would love to make a pop can out of it right now

this thing weighs

enough you could probably make three hundais out of it

I just can't help myself

ironically even though it is a Ford product

it has an AC delco

fuel pump and it has a

hydromatic GM transmission

which is a four speed automatic

in 1953

really so I'm intrigued

especially out of Lincoln and that's what they would have

you know and the other

thing that is really interesting is the flex plate

is actually

the front part of the torque converter

so in order to separate the two

there is no short

11,100 bolts

that bolts to the main

shell and then when you take that apart

you actually see the turbine

inside the torque converter

really it's interesting

and

I have so many questions

was this removed out of a vehicle

was this somebody else's garage

one man's junk is another man's treasure

so this is a Lincoln

that someone purchased

that was in a state it's set for a long time

old man

was going out and tinkering with it

they don't really know

what was going on with it

other than had way too much oil in it

so maybe he had just kind of gotten

some memory issues and kept putting oil

in the motor

didn't run

and instead of

big scary world for parts

and that kind of stuff people will make

a bigger mountain out of a mo-hill

and they decided just pull

a drive train and put

an LS

in the car

the LS the 53 Lincoln

is what I hear

well the sad part is as projects go

they remove the engine and transmission

with intent to put an LS in it

and then they haven't

so I got told afterwards

once I got the motor home if I wanted the car too

I could but I'm not going to do that

I'm going to play with the motor

learn some stuff

next weeks

I'm a hands on kind of guy

I can't learn unless I'm touching stuff

so

look into it tear it apart

see if it's

a viable motor

and go from there it's cool regardless

valve covers

have the Lincoln insignia

back when we actually made stuff

with purpose and care

and it bossed into it

like I told my wife you could probably

or cast iron skillets

out of the bell housing off the transmission

it's just amazing

again how they didn't care about

efficiency and lightness

and that kind of stuff it was just how can we hit it

with a bigger sledgehammer

how robust can we make something

that was my fun

I figured you wouldn't expect

yeah it was not obviously nobody

was expecting that

the cubic inch 317 that speaks right to Neil

oh it's so weird

so good

my own

my own peculiarities

of course I'm continuing

my six weeks tie rate of

kind of welcoming

sports balls back into my life

in a semi professional manner

I was probably

nothing shy of

six or seven different contests over the weekend

between friends and family

and what not getting myself overly

involved in the

lose ball

and so had a nice time

with that in general

so scheduling my weekend around

you know those types of things

but then I did

manage to prioritize some time

to try and service my tractor

which of course I know is a peculiarity

for both of you because you guys

you don't need to service the tractor

you don't need to service anything as far as you two are concerned

when it comes to those agra implements

absolutely

so my

because I had a whopping like 10 hours

on my backhoe I needed to

grease

and service every 10 hours

so

yes I figured you guys would appreciate

so

I found myself

in the most

old man

fashion

trying desperately to pump grease into

zerk fittings and configurations

so I could

contort myself and said grease gun

into position

to sufficiently grease them

then when it spilled over

I was grabbing it on my finger

and again in most old man

fashion possible

just randomly wiping it on things

that seemingly

would benefit from having grease on them

oh dear

so now my tractor is a big greasy mess

I feel pretty good about that

the only reason mine gets greased at all

is because I have a Milwaukee grease gun

that I don't have to pump I just pull the trigger

well I mean that really

does is a game changer

unquestionably but the ones that

between the deck and the tractor

that doesn't exist

mine doesn't have grease fitting

smith

just kind of keep

beating it into the shape of

implement for you to use

I get it when you got a deer

you don't have to maintain it

yeah that's right

Matt what about you do you

have any fun stories over the weekend

or projects that you're working on

what did I do

getting my hot tub

ready for the winter

that is a thing

you're not going to use it for the winter

you're not a winter hot tubber

I'm a winter hot tubber big time

I just don't use it in the summer

oh you're readying it

to use for winter

exactly I'm getting that ready

so that wasn't fun

but I did it

my son had his last baseball game of the season

he had a good game

unfortunately the team kind of collapsed

and we lost in the last inning

fall ball is this fall ball

or is this a continuation from summer ball

it's fall ball

our fall ball continues for another

enduring three weeks

so yeah

we're going to be playing in the snow here

yeah for sure

and then a lot of

so I'm a big hunter

my son started hunting with me

he's 11 so he started

about two years ago

just getting the bows out

and getting a lot of archery practice

so that was my weekend

that's awesome

America wrapped up in a nutshell there

a little bit of leisure

and a little bit of provision

yeah

you want to bring us home?

well other than going to Scott's house

trying to help him with the building

we were all going home until I realized

that he collapsed into two of the holes

and I was like nope

Scott himself collapsed into two of the holes

so what happened was

I thought it was helping

because I took the front bucket

and just scooped off top

because the skid steer was having a problem

because five feet is a lot

so he was running into the ground

and because it was all

mounted over

I thought I'll just scoop that off and if something falls

in the hole no big deal

until the skid steer doesn't show back up

that's the problem

that's the worst part is I had nobody to blame

but myself making it more challenging

so you weren't back dragging it

I had heard that you back dragged it

it looked like back dragging because of the way

so you scooped over the hole is what I think I heard

what the heck was going through your head

I understood

back dragging I kind of thought

oh that makes sense that's a good idea

I had to take the backhoe off and I didn't want to do that

that's what I thought you took the backhoe off

and I was like oh man I'm definitely not doing that

anytime soon

I think my backhoe is attached forever

I bought a box blade that's now just a paperweight

pretty look at

other than that though

I spent some time

getting caught up on non-profit things

for the non-profit

obviously have a lot of

administrative work accounting work to do

post-event

trying to get all that cleaned up

back on track having a week of

being sick didn't help

didn't really get much done on non-profit

front so

a lot of time on the weekend doing that

that was pretty much the weekend

100%

well I again

appreciate Matt you prioritizing this time

for participating in this

and being so forthcoming with

our listeners

would love to have you back

on in the future at some point in time

and ideally we'll be able to hook up

and touch base at SEMA

coming up in about a month or so and that will be good

you'll be out there I'm assuming

excellent I'll look for you

and our listeners

thank you for hanging in there

with us and again prioritizing this

as your infotainment

a lot of jeeps to build

a lot of good things to be done here

so until next time jeep on

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