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Rivian R2 first drive, BYD goes nuts on flash charging, Donut Lab's miracle battery is dead, and more

Rivian R2 first drive, BYD goes nuts on flash charging, Donut Lab's miracle battery is dead, and more

Electrek Jun 12, 2026 69 min
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Rivian R2 gets a hands-on first drive in a classic woods-and-camping event near Park City, Utah, where the car impresses with planted highway manners, strong efficiency for its class, and real-world fast charging on a 400V setup (about 170 kW peak). The discussion also digs into the R2’s adventure-friendly details—off-road-capable tires, a sliding rear window, and a roof-rack tent—while debating launch timing for LiDAR-based autonomy and the lack of vehicle-to-grid readiness. The show then tees up BYD’s aggressive flash-charging push, China’s electrification impact on air pollution, BMW’s I-Extreme rideshare momentum, and Donut Lab’s battery program looking bleak.

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Dodge Charger

"...ey're gonna I'll test the when it comes to to the charger. So that's One of the most beneficial things for ..."

The Dodge Charger is a large four-door car that’s built to feel powerful when you drive. People talk about it a lot because it can be sporty and fun, not just practical. In the podcast, they’re likely testing or comparing it to see how it feels in real use.

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off-roading

"We went up to the mountains like you do at a typical Rivian event ... We went off-roading. We went on the highways a little bit"

Off-roading means driving on rough or unpaved ground instead of normal roads. They’re saying the event tested the car in more than one kind of driving.

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charging

"Because of ran that work was right by our hotel. We got to do a little charging as well ... so we got really the full experience with this thing and"

For an electric car, “charging” means putting electricity back into the battery. They’re saying they got to try that part during the trip, not only driving.

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top speed

"You know, we had this thing going top speed on the highway. It's like super fast. She feels super planted"

Top speed is the maximum speed a vehicle can reach under its own power. Here it’s used to describe the R2’s highway performance feel, alongside comments about stability.

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Tesla Model Y

"I mean you and I talked about this before like how in the world is this vehicle as efficient as a Tesla Model Y and not It's not as efficient as a Model Y But as efficient as the Model Y specs"

The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV that a lot of people use as a reference point. Here, they’re basically saying the Rivian R2 should be compared to how efficient the Model Y is.

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kilowatt hour battery

"So, you know, this way over 300 miles of range 80 88 kilowatt hour battery"

kWh is a way to measure how much energy the car’s battery can hold. A bigger number usually means the car can go farther, if the car uses energy at a similar rate.

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off-road tires

"You know those tires are no like those are off-road tires I mean they have you know Where they call them street tires, but you know when we took them off-road"

Off-road tires have tread meant for dirt and rough ground. They often make the car less efficient on regular roads, so range can drop compared to street tires.

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street tires

"Where they call them street tires, but you know when we took them off-road They were obviously the big off-road tires at a low spec"

Street tires are made mainly for driving on regular roads. They tend to waste less energy than more aggressive off-road tires, which helps range.

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400 volt

"It's got really fast charging but not You know Hyundai 800 volt Porsche 800 volt. It's still 400 volt. So You're looking at like 220 240 kilowatts"

400 volts is the electrical “system voltage” inside the EV. It matters because it affects how easily the car can accept fast charging power.

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kilowatts

"So You're looking at like 220 240 kilowatts We went up to 170 but we were we were started as data charge of 56"

Kilowatts tell you how much charging power the charger is delivering. More kW usually means faster charging, at least up to the car’s limits.

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CCS combos

"I had about 50 percent Nax Chargers 50 percent CCS combos"

CCS is a fast-charging plug standard used by many electric cars. “CCS combos” just means the station has the CCS fast-charging ports.

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Ford Bronco

"...l the windows open it really feels kind of like a Bronco where you know They have a roof they have a treeh..."

The Ford Bronco is an SUV made for driving on rough roads and trails. It can also be driven in an open-air way, so when the windows are open it can feel more like you’re outside. That’s why the host is comparing the feeling to a Bronco.

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Chevy Silverado

"Not quite as big as the R1 and certainly not as big as you know the Ford F-150 Lightning or even the Chevy Silverado, but still pretty solid"

The Chevrolet Silverado is a big American pickup truck. The host is using it as a reference point for how large the Rivian feels.

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Ford F-150 Lightning

"Not quite as big as the R1 and certainly not as big as you know the Ford F-150 Lightning or even the Chevy Silverado, but still pretty solid"

The Ford F-150 Lightning is Ford’s electric pickup truck. The host mentions it to compare size—saying the Rivian is smaller than the Lightning.

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Rivian R1S

"...on the highway was smooth, but still You know the R1s were a little bit jerky Compared to because you k..."

The Rivian R1S is an electric SUV, meaning it runs on batteries instead of gasoline. The podcast is talking about how it drives—smooth on the highway, but with some noticeable jerky feeling in certain situations. That helps listeners understand what daily driving might feel like.

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autonomy

"The big question so we're scrolling down to the article right now big questions for me were autonomy and Vehicle to grid or vehicle to X The problem with the autonomy is that? [...] so you're purchasing a premium car even the launch edition has you know forever autonomy, but"

Here, autonomy means how much the car can drive on its own. The host is basically saying the car’s built-in tech determines what it can do, and you can’t easily “upgrade” that later.

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Vehicle to grid

"big questions for me were autonomy and Vehicle to grid or vehicle to X The problem with the autonomy is that?"

Vehicle to grid means your electric car can potentially send power back to the electricity network. The host is treating it as a major feature question for the new Rivian.

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vehicle to X

"big questions for me were autonomy and Vehicle to grid or vehicle to X The problem with the autonomy is that?"

Vehicle to X is a general way of saying the car can send electricity to other places besides just charging. Think “power out of the car” for homes or other equipment.

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inverter inside the car is bidirectional

"I would assume that at least it's not a hardware upgrade on that front like yeah I would assume that at least it's not a hardware upgrade on that front like yeah I would assume that the inverter inside the car is bidirectional the charging system is bidirectional so that it might be more a question of that"

The inverter is the electronics that manage power between the battery and the rest of the electrical system. “Bidirectional” means it can send power out as well as take power in, which is what you need for vehicle-to-home or vehicle-to-grid.

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self-drive to level three

"The ability to to self-drive to level three. I think I think there's"

“Level 3” means the car can do a lot of the driving by itself in specific situations. But the driver still has to be ready to take over if the system asks.

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LiDAR sensor

"They they don't care that the car doesn't come with the LiDAR sensor now ... Until so it's coming later this year, right? Is that what they said the LiDAR?"

LiDAR is a sensor that uses lasers to “see” the world in 3D. It helps the car understand distances better, which can make advanced driving features work more reliably.

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Rivian R2

"I think it's a real possibility that it's enough that it's gonna fill up the order book for Rivian Until so it's coming later this year, right? Is that what they said the LiDAR? ... but so I think it's not it's not too bad ... it hurts their resell value too because as soon as the LiDAR version comes out probably hurts the resell value of the early R2s"

Rivian R2 is an upcoming Rivian electric car. The hosts are talking about how a later version that adds extra sensing tech (LiDAR) could make early versions harder to resell for as much money.

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order book

"I think it's a real possibility that it's enough that it's gonna fill up the order book for Rivian"

An order book is basically how many people have already placed orders for a product. The idea here is that demand might be strong enough to keep production plans full.

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resell value

"it hurts their resell value too because as soon as the LiDAR version comes out probably hurts the resell value of the early R2s"

Resell value is what you can sell the car for after you’ve owned it. The point being made is that if a better version comes out, early cars may be worth less.

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Tesla Roadster

"You had all the Tesla vehicles available for sale except the Roadster You've been a mullaby driver for half a decade at this point"

The Tesla Roadster is Tesla’s high-performance electric sports car, historically positioned as a halo product for the brand. In this segment, it’s mentioned as the one Tesla model the speaker hasn’t owned among the other Tesla vehicles available for sale.

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FSD

"Especially for you who's been burnt on the of the FSD front for so long You don't want to just buy or two of them having the same situation"

FSD stands for Full Self-Driving. It’s a software system in some Teslas that tries to automate parts of driving, but it still depends on the driver and can be misused.

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level four

"The the definition of level three is just unlike level four You just in particular situation and there's a delay between the switchover from the autonomous system and the driver"

“Level four” means the car can handle driving on its own in certain areas/conditions without needing the driver to immediately take over. The host is saying level three is different because the driver has to respond during a handoff.

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byd

"All right, let's talk about byd a little bit [1145.5s] um [1146.7s] Talk about the flash charging."

BYD is the company the hosts are talking about. They say BYD showed a charging technology designed to charge EVs extremely fast, and they’re rolling it out quickly.

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zero to 70

"You can charge a zero to [1172.0s] 70 in roughly, you know, 56 minute you can charge 200 percent under 10 minutes."

“Zero to 70” means going from an empty battery (0%) to about 70% charged. It’s a quick way to compare how fast different charging systems can add usable battery.

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Supercharger network

"So obviously tesla is the leader there as the you know, global [1197.2s] Supercharger network is the only global network out there [1200.5s] In north america specifically."

The Supercharger network is Tesla’s network of fast public charging stations. The hosts are comparing how widespread and fast it is versus other charging networks.

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station

"A station is sort of the equivalent to a tesla station is just that there's only two charge Cable per station"

A station is a charging location. But one station can have more or fewer charging spots, so you can’t compare networks fairly just by counting stations.

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stall

"So so the the stall number if you want to compare it to you know, we call it charging guns stall to you know Supercharger stall total you basically have to double the the number of station"

A stall is one spot where one car can charge. Two networks can have the same number of sites but very different numbers of cars able to charge at once.

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deployment rate

"You can you know get more cars fully charged on the road faster the deployment rate right now based on last quarter from tesla The data last quarter. Uh, it's 400 of just over 400 megawatts per month"

Deployment rate means how fast charging stations (or their capacity) are being rolled out. Higher deployment rate means more charging capability becomes available sooner.

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megawatts per month

"The data last quarter. Uh, it's 400 of just over 400 megawatts per month While byd is reaching almost a gigawatt per month more than twice the deployment capacity of tesla right now."

Megawatts measure how much power a charger can deliver. Saying “megawatts per month” is basically a way to talk about how much new charging capability is being installed each month.

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gigawatts

"Just in total power if you go total power tesla is about 20 gigawatts of total power Wide byd is at 8.6."

Gigawatts are a bigger unit for electricity power. The episode is using them to compare how large each charging network’s total power capacity is.

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super chargers

"even like we we talk about 10 uh 10,000 chargers versus 80,000 super chargers for tesla But if you look right now as the gigawatt capacity"

Superchargers are Tesla’s fast charging stations. The hosts are comparing Tesla’s network to BYD’s, and they’re saying the total charging power matters more than just the raw number of stations.

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range

"And we've been impressed with the with the range has been getting we we had a report [1906.0s] You know the last podcast or the one before that from the norway test"

For electric cars, “range” means how far you can drive before the battery runs low. It’s the key number people care about when deciding if an EV fits their routine.

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kilowatt hours per 100 kilometers

"Um [1941.4s] 20.3 kilowatt hour per 100 miles 12.6 kilowatt hours per 100 kilometers that was the efficiency that was achieved [1948.7s] Still 2% of the battery capacity of the end of the journey too so we could you know, the"

This is the same efficiency idea as “kWh per 100 miles,” but measured in kilometers. It helps you compare how much electricity the car needs to drive 100 km.

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kilowatt hour per 100 miles

"Um [1941.4s] 20.3 kilowatt hour per 100 miles 12.6 kilowatt hours per 100 kilometers that was the efficiency that was achieved [1948.7s] Still 2% of the battery capacity of the end of the journey too so we could you know, the"

This is a way to measure how efficiently an electric car uses electricity. It tells you how many kilowatt-hours it takes to drive 100 miles—less usually means you’ll go farther on the same battery.

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battery capacity

"Still 2% of the battery capacity of the end of the journey too so we could you know, the [1953.6s] The chicken doubt they didn't want to push it all the way through didn't want to deal with the"

“Battery capacity” is the total amount of electrical energy stored in the EV’s battery, typically measured in kilowatt-hours (kWh). In range tests, knowing remaining battery capacity helps explain how much buffer the car had at the end of the drive.

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elevation

"Uh, there was some elevation nearly 2000 meter of elevation [1965.9s] No, I think the region is really good on this too"

Elevation means hills and altitude changes. Going uphill usually drains an EV’s battery faster, so range tests on hilly routes can look worse than on flat roads.

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BMW i3

"I like basically added Three versions of the i3 and then they just fired everybody started to fre..."

The BMW i3 is a small electric car made by BMW. It was sold in a few different versions, which can matter for features and how it drives. The podcast is likely summarizing those versions so listeners know what they’re looking at.

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autonomously ride

"Uber is going to have a Rivian r2. That's uh able to You know autonomously ride hell so"

“Autonomously ride” means the car can drive itself. In this context, it’s about a self-driving ride-hailing service.

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robo taxi

"so Uh robo taxi, which I'm like hey if you're building that for uber. Why don't you build that for everybody? but"

A “robo taxi” is a self-driving taxi you can summon like a rideshare. Instead of a human driver, the car handles the driving.

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geofence area

"I think you don't want like you can do something with uber Just like tesla does in austin with the geofence area And you know make make a robo taxi for that rather than just consumer in general"

A geofence area is a defined geographic boundary (often mapped in software) where an autonomous or assisted-driving feature is allowed to operate. The host compares Uber’s approach to Tesla’s in Austin, implying Tesla’s self-driving behavior may be limited to a specific mapped zone.

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donut lab

"All right before we jump into the comment section I want to talk a little bit about donut lab So we've been we've been following this story for a long time. We interviewed the ceo in january"

Donut Lab is a battery-tech company. The host is saying their big “miracle battery” claim seems to have failed or stopped working.

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solid state battery

"It uh, you know, it's first solid state battery in the production ev this production ev is supposed to be the verge motorcycle"

Most EV batteries use a liquid inside them. A solid state battery swaps that liquid for a solid material, which could store more energy and be safer—but it’s tough to make in large quantities.

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energy density

"The the battery was supposed to have 400 watt hours per kilogram of energy density"

Energy density is basically how much “power storage” you get from a certain amount of battery weight. More energy density usually means more range without adding as much weight.

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cycles of capacity

"Much higher than you know, the the best commercial batteries available right now was supposed to Have a 100000 cycles of capacity, which means it's gonna last like hundreds of years really"

A battery “cycle” is one full charge and discharge. “Cycles of capacity” is a way to estimate how many times the battery can do that before it starts losing a lot of its usable storage.

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fast charge and discharge

"it was supposed to have extremely fast charge and discharge [2338.0s] It was you know, a perfect battery."

Fast charge/discharge means the battery can take in power quickly and also release power quickly. For EVs, that’s important for quick charging and for strong acceleration or repeated hard use.

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independent testing

"He was they were supposed to release independent testing of the battery cells to prove that uh, it was capable of doing what they were doing"

Independent testing means battery performance is evaluated by an outside lab rather than the company making the claim. For new battery technologies, this is crucial because it helps verify metrics like energy density, cycle life, and charge behavior under controlled, repeatable conditions.

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nmc lithium ion battery cell

"[2521.4s] Everything points to what they got tested and what they put in the bike [2526.3s] Was just a regular nmc litsium ion battery cell [2532.3s] There's no evidence of the contrary and then on the other side."

NMC is a type of lithium-ion battery chemistry. It’s made with a cathode material that contains nickel, manganese, and cobalt, and it’s widely used in EV batteries.

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cd coating

"[2540.5s] and that the [2542.9s] that cd coating the german company that [2545.7s] had all the patent for the screen printing [2548.5s] Came a process behind the the battery manufacturing"

“CD coating” here appears to be a specific manufacturing step or surface treatment applied during battery production—likely intended to improve performance or enable a claimed breakthrough. Because the host says the underlying technology “is just not there,” the point is that the coating claim may not translate into real, scalable cell performance.

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screen printing

"[2542.9s] that cd coating the german company that [2545.7s] had all the patent for the screen printing [2548.5s] Came a process behind the the battery manufacturing"

Screen printing is a way to apply a material in a precise pattern using a stencil-like screen. In batteries, it can be used to put coatings onto parts of the cell in a controlled way.

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economic production of those cells

"[2608.6s] You know, they might have seen things that's really impressive that they think as a breakthrough, but that the production [2615.3s] the realistic [2616.5s] Scaling and and you know economic production of those cells is a lot further out or maybe even not possible than what they were"

This is about whether the battery idea can be made in large quantities without becoming too expensive. The hosts are saying the breakthrough may not be practical to produce at scale yet.

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Subaru Trail Seeker

"...ng on rick mcdonald 7075 our friend just bought a Subaru trail seeker Those are pretty sweet. It seems to be the most l..."

The Subaru Trailseeker is a version of a Subaru that’s meant for outdoor and adventure use. The podcast is saying it looks like a good choice because it’s set up for that kind of driving. It’s being discussed as a standout option for people who want more than a basic trim.

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Subaru R2

"...re pretty sweet. It seems to be the most like the r2 I think there's room in the market for both, but ..."

The Subaru R2 is a small car from Subaru. The podcast is saying it could fit well in the market because it offers something that certain buyers want. They’re discussing whether there’s enough demand for this kind of small vehicle.

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ultra-fast chargers

"It is like 20 to 30 ultra-fast chargers every 50 miles on the highways more or less"

Ultra-fast chargers are the really high-power charging stations that can add a lot of range quickly. Your car has to be able to accept that high power for you to get the full benefit.

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250

"I just see the the the power ... it can be you know, 250 can be 150 station"

“250” is basically how powerful the charger is. A higher number usually means faster charging, but your car still has to be able to accept that power.

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lift kit

"Uh for light off-road trails fire roads would be crazy to install lift kit on a model y all-wheel drive Just want to do very light off-roading washboard roads. Nothing gnarly"

A lift kit is a set of parts that raises a car higher off the ground. It can help with clearance, but it doesn’t automatically make a car good at rough off-road driving.

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washboard roads

"Just want to do very light off-roading washboard roads. Nothing gnarly Yeah"

Washboard roads are bumpy, ribbed roads that make the car shake and bounce. Cars with suspension tuned for normal roads can feel rough or struggle there.

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Place

California sequoias

"All the nordic countries uk netherlands denmark have working chargers everywhere I camped in the california sequoias that's the limit with charging network the road into kink's canyon ends in deep"

The California Sequoias is a remote part of California. The host is using it to show that in far-off areas, EV charging can be harder to find.

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