Salesman Is TOO SCARED To DO HIS JOB and BLOCKS the Deal!
About this episode
Negotiations for a Ford Bronco Outer Banks turn into a deep dive on how to hit a specific out-the-door target while dealing with fees, rebates, and inventory reality. The hosts and callers compare online listings (including hard-top vs soft-top mismatches), confirm availability using stock/VIN details, and debate cash vs financing. FTC pressure on advertising fees—like dock fees and processing charges—keeps coming up, alongside roleplayed tactics about scarcity markups and closing with extras like floor mats.
In this video I am negotiating a black Ford Bronco Outer Banks for my client in New York, one of the toughest markets in the country to get a clean deal done.What I ran into was a salesman who would not bring my offer to his manager, no matter how reasonable the number was.Instead of escalating to get the deal done, he kept deflecting, stalling, and running in circles while my client waited.This is one of the most common and frustrating tactics you will run into at a dealership, and most buyers never even realize it is happening to them.
Ford Bronco Outer Banks
"We're doing a Ford Bronco Outer Banks in the great state of New York now this client lives in New York, New York [24.0s] He went to black on Black Ford Bronco [26.1s] What would make him happy one of the things that we do differently here delivered as I don't ask you just what kind of car"
This is a specific version (trim) of the Ford Bronco SUV. The “Outer Banks” version is the one the buyer wants, and the whole discussion is about getting that exact Bronco for the right price.
The Ford Bronco is Ford’s modern SUV built around off-road capability, and the Outer Banks is a specific trim that adds more comfort and style than the base models. In this segment, the hosts are using the Outer Banks trim as the exact target configuration for the buyer’s negotiation and budget.
FTC
"I'm gonna give you guys an update what happened with the FTC if you guys don't know the FTC sent a letter out a month ago to [53.8s] 97 dealership groups."
The FTC is a U.S. government agency that helps protect consumers. Here, they’re saying the FTC sent a letter to car dealership groups about how dealers should handle and advertise certain charges.
The FTC (Federal Trade Commission) is a U.S. government agency that enforces consumer-protection rules, including how businesses advertise pricing and fees. In this segment, they’re describing an FTC letter to dealership groups about dealer practices.
documentation fee
"But this apparently things have changed even the documentation fee is supposed to be advertised on the website for now on or they can't charge it [82.3s] So we're gonna test that we are going to test that right now."
A documentation fee is an extra charge a car dealer adds for handling the paperwork. In this segment, they’re saying dealers may have to clearly show that fee online, or they may not be able to charge it.
A documentation fee (often called “doc fee”) is a charge dealers add to cover paperwork for the sale. The hosts say the FTC is pushing for it to be advertised on the website, which affects how dealers can quote the final price.
trade bonus
"Are you calling what our thousand dollar trade bonus I was not but that sounds enticing [103.0s] Yes, it's something that we're currently offering out throughout this month [107.0s] It's an additional thousand dollars on top of what we already appraised your vehicle to be"
A trade bonus is extra money the dealer gives you for trading in your current car. They’re saying it’s an additional $1,000 on top of what they already offered for your vehicle.
A trade bonus is an incentive paid on top of the normal trade-in appraisal when you turn in your current vehicle. Here, the hosts mention a “thousand dollar trade bonus” that stacks with the amount the dealer already appraised the trade-in for.
stock number
"I have a stock number if that helps perfect. I'm ready. Okay stock number is F is in fiat 368 85 I'm gonna just need to put you on a briefhold to confirm availability"
A stock number is like an inventory ID the dealership uses to point to the exact car they’re talking about. It helps them find the right vehicle fast.
A stock number is the dealer’s internal identifier for a specific vehicle in their inventory system. It helps the salesperson quickly locate the exact car (and its details) rather than relying on vague descriptions.
briefhold
"368 85 I'm gonna just need to put you on a briefhold to confirm availability Not a boom, but a bang 2.6 thousand people on YouTube. Wow, it's a record. That's insane."
A “briefhold” (likely meaning a short hold) is when a dealer temporarily reserves a vehicle so it can’t be sold to someone else while they confirm availability or details. It’s often used during the sales process to prevent the car from getting taken.
finance
"We're we looking to pay cash or finance. I'm open to cash. I've been a financing All right, I can let them know you're looking to explore both avenues"
“Finance” means you borrow money to buy the car and pay it back over time with monthly payments. It’s the opposite of paying the full price upfront with cash.
In car sales, “finance” means paying for the vehicle through a loan, usually with monthly payments over a set term. The dealer may compare financing offers versus paying cash to determine the best out-the-door deal.
pay cash
"I just want to be sure everything's included. I mean, I want to pay cash that part isn't too big of a deal No worries. I am gonna get your information over to my managers at the store once one of them become available"
“Pay cash” means you buy the car using money you already have, not a loan. That usually makes the deal process simpler than financing.
“Pay cash” means purchasing the car without a loan—typically using funds available immediately. Dealers often treat cash deals differently because there’s no lender approval process and the payment structure is simpler.
black on black
"I just don't know why I'm seeing other ones and you're not you have one for 52,000. Is it black on black 52,420 bucks black on black"
“Black on black” just means the car is set up with mostly black styling—typically black paint and black interior. They’re using it to describe why the exact car they’re looking at might not match the price you’re seeing.
"Black on black" is shorthand for a vehicle configured with black exterior and black interior (or predominantly black appearance). In this context, it’s being used to explain why a Bronco listing at a certain price might differ from what the other person is seeing.
hard top
"Outer banks hard top. This one is a says soft from the picture, but it could be different ... Let me take a look at the sticker hard top black painted."
A hard top is the solid, fixed roof on the vehicle. They’re checking whether the Bronco they’re looking at is the hard-top version or a soft-top version, because that can change what you’re actually buying.
A "hard top" refers to a fixed, solid roof panel configuration (as opposed to a soft top). On SUVs like the Bronco, roof type can affect both appearance and pricing, and it’s relevant here because the speaker is checking whether the listing is actually for a hard-top version.
soft top
"Outer banks hard top. This one is a says soft from the picture, but it could be different"
A soft top is a roof made of fabric instead of a solid panel. They’re comparing what the listing picture says versus what the actual sticker shows.
A "soft top" is a roof made from flexible fabric or similar materials rather than a rigid panel. The segment treats roof type as a key differentiator because the listing picture suggests soft top, but the sticker indicates hard top.
out-the-door
"Is there plus is a tax title license fees? What else is involved with this? Oh, yeah, this is tax [480.3s] This is before tax letter registration."
The out-the-door price is what you’ll actually pay in total to get the car ready and legal to drive. It includes taxes and fees, not just the sticker price.
“Out-the-door” (OTD) price is the total amount you pay to drive the car home, including the car price plus taxes, registration, and dealership fees. Negotiations often fail when one side talks about the vehicle price while the other side is focused on the OTD total.
dock fees
"7.75 on taxes because I have any of those dealer add-ons or [489.4s] Dock fees or anything craziness $795 conveyance fee."
“Dock fees” are dealership charges that are meant to cover handling or logistics—often tied to getting the vehicle from where it arrived to the dealership. They’re commonly debated because they can feel like extra profit on top of the car’s price.
dealer add-ons
"7.75 on taxes because I have any of those dealer add-ons or [489.4s] Dock fees or anything craziness $795 conveyance fee."
Dealer add-ons are extra add-ons the dealership tries to charge you for on top of the car’s price. They can be things you didn’t ask for, and they make the final bill bigger.
“Dealer add-ons” are extra items or services a dealership bundles into the deal price, often after you’ve negotiated the car’s base price. They can include things like protection packages, accessories, or administrative services that raise the total cost.
conveyance fee
"Dock fees or anything craziness $795 conveyance fee. That's the only fee that we got that's not associated to [496.0s] Taxes or registration."
A conveyance fee is a paperwork/processing charge the dealership adds to get the car ready for you. It’s usually separate from taxes and registration.
A “conveyance fee” is a dealership administrative charge for processing and transferring the vehicle to you. It’s typically separate from taxes and registration, which is why it shows up as a line-item in the out-the-door cost breakdown.
leverage
"Present is your leverage bro. That's who I mean, what [514.8s] Anyways, like you just sitting there entering the phone."
Leverage here means who has the upper hand in the negotiation. If you’re ready to buy and have money ready, you can often get a better deal.
In car sales, “leverage” is the negotiating power one side has—like being ready to buy, having competing offers, or controlling timing. The speaker argues that having money in hand is leverage that should push the deal forward.
10% off
"So what are you looking to do? How much are you looking to get for it? You know, I was trying to get like 10% [524.5s] 10% 10%"
They’re talking about trying to get 10% off the car price. Whether that’s possible depends on how much the dealership wants to move the car and what fees get added.
The transcript discusses negotiating a “10% off” discount, which is a common way shoppers frame target pricing. In practice, whether 10% is realistic depends on inventory age, demand, and how the dealership structures fees and the out-the-door total.
Ford Lightning An F150
"Because we got it for like $50,000. You don't lose money on curse never never you've never lost money on a car ever You've never lost money on a lightning an f-150 nothing that's been on your lot for 300 days Well, this one this one's 206. We don't even have pictures of this one. This one's this one's a freshie"
20% off
"It's not a crazy number. You know, you know 2025 people are doing like 20% off"
“20% off” means the dealer is lowering the price by 20%. It’s a way to compare deals even if the cars have different base prices.
“20% off” is a discount expressed as a percentage off the vehicle’s price. In negotiations, percentage discounts are often used to compare deals across different trims and model years.
20 grand off
"Here's four bronco raptors that were doing 20 grand off, you know the idea that this is crazy"
“20 grand off” means the price is reduced by about $20,000. It’s a straightforward way to see how much cheaper the car would be.
“20 grand off” means a $20,000 discount from the vehicle’s selling price. Flat-dollar discounts can be easier for buyers to evaluate than percentage discounts, especially when negotiating out-the-door pricing.
inventory
"I mean, there's a lot of inventory on this car. I mean, listen, if you can find a dealer"
“Inventory” here just means how many cars the dealer has available to sell. If they have a lot of cars sitting around, they’re more likely to offer discounts to sell them.
In car sales, “inventory” means the number of vehicles a dealer currently has available on the lot (or in the pipeline). More inventory often gives buyers more leverage for discounts because the dealer needs to move cars.
out of banks
"So it's giving you $5,000 off a brand new 2026 out of banks. I'm telling you to go there"
This sounds like they’re talking about the deal being connected to financing from a lender. Sometimes the discount depends on how you finance the car.
“Out of banks” appears to refer to financing terms coming from lenders (“banks”) rather than the dealer’s own pricing. In practice, it can mean the discount is tied to a specific financing arrangement.
manager
"I would walk up to my manager and say, hey, can I get this car for $47,000? ... I can't stick $5,000 off my manager. No way. What's he gonna do?"
The “manager” is the person who can actually approve the final price or discount. If the salesperson can’t do it, they have to ask the manager.
In dealership negotiations, the “manager” is the person with authority to approve pricing concessions or override a salesperson’s offer. Buyers often need manager approval for large discounts.
website could be wrong
"Assuming you have 95 I guess my website could be wrong. I got you just like you just not take your offers to the manager ... according to the website of look again, which could be wrong"
The speaker is warning that online inventory listings may be inaccurate or outdated. For negotiations, that matters because buyers may base their leverage on numbers that don’t match what’s actually available.
2025 toyota 4 runner TRD pro
"Let's start with a car. I'm eyeing a 2025 toyota 4 runner TRD pro. You'll try to get me to pay above sticker"
This is a special, off-road-ready version of the Toyota 4Runner. The “TRD Pro” badge usually means it’s meant for tougher trails, and here it’s the car they’re arguing about getting for more than the normal advertised price.
The Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro is a rugged off-road-focused trim built for trail use, with Toyota’s TRD Pro branding aimed at buyers who want factory off-road capability. In this segment, it’s the specific vehicle the hosts use to demonstrate how dealers try to push pricing above the sticker price.
sticker
"I'm eyeing a 2025 toyota 4 runner TRD pro. You'll try to get me to pay above sticker"
“Sticker” is the price printed on the car’s window sticker. The whole argument here is whether the dealer will sell for that price or try to charge more.
In car sales, “sticker” usually refers to the price shown on the vehicle’s window sticker (the advertised MSRP figure). Negotiations often revolve around whether the dealer will sell at sticker, below it, or above it.
scarcity play
"We only get like one of these a year. So we're charging $20,000 above MSRP. I see what you're doing scarcity play"
A scarcity play is when a seller says, “There aren’t many of these, so the price has to be higher.” It’s a sales tactic to pressure you into paying more.
A scarcity play is a negotiation tactic where the seller claims limited availability to justify a higher price. Here, the dealer is implying the TRD Pro is so rare that the buyer should accept a large markup.
MSRP
"Let's start with MSRP and negotiate from there or I'll walk to the next dealership"
MSRP is the price the carmaker lists on the window sticker. Dealers usually start negotiations from there, even though the final price can be higher or lower.
MSRP stands for Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price. It’s the sticker price the automaker publishes, and it’s often the starting point for negotiations at dealerships.
cars.com
"You can look at all of the resources auto trader cars.com auto trader trust that delivered guy"
Cars.com is a website with car listings. People use it to see what similar cars are advertised for, which helps when negotiating a deal.
Cars.com is another major online car listing site used to research market pricing. Negotiators cite it to justify whether a dealer’s offer is above or below typical listings.
auto trader
"You can look at all of the resources auto trader cars.com auto trader trust that delivered guy"
AutoTrader is a website where people list cars for sale. It helps you look up what similar cars are being priced at so you can negotiate more confidently.
AutoTrader is an online marketplace where shoppers can compare asking prices for specific cars. In negotiations, it’s used as a reference for what similar vehicles are selling for.
floor mats
"But only if you throw in floor mats. Let's wrap this up before either of us changes our minds deal done"
Floor mats are interior protective coverings placed on the vehicle’s floor to catch dirt and wear. They’re commonly used as a negotiation “throw-in” because they’re relatively low-cost for the dealer compared to discounting the vehicle price.
processing fee
"It's okay. Another deal. Another Bronco. This dealership is advertising their $995 processing fee. The dealer discount is 4738 [946.8s] This is a large dealer discount. I would like to get another four grand office card"
A processing fee is an extra charge the dealer adds on top of the car price. It can make the final “out-the-door” cost higher, so it matters when you’re trying to negotiate.
A dealer processing fee is an extra charge the dealership adds to cover administrative work (and sometimes profit) beyond the car’s base price. It directly affects the out-the-door total, so it’s a key number in price negotiations.
dealer discount
"This dealership is advertising their $995 processing fee. The dealer discount is 4738 [946.8s] This is a large dealer discount. I would like to get another four grand office card"
A dealer discount is the amount the dealership reduces the price from the starting point (often MSRP or the advertised price). In negotiation math, it’s compared against fees and the out-the-door target to see if the deal is truly good.
rebates
"I'm just checking to see if you qualify for the same rebates as Virginia So just bear with me."
Rebates are discounts that can lower the price of a car. Sometimes you have to qualify based on where you live or how you buy it.
In car sales, rebates are manufacturer- or dealer-funded discounts that reduce the purchase price. They’re often tied to eligibility rules like residency, financing through the brand, or specific model/trim availability.
negotiating via text
"Can you do better Miley face is the one negotiate via text. I'll negotiate them another way"
They’re talking about negotiating by text message. It can make the process faster and more structured than talking in person.
The hosts discuss using texting as the negotiation channel instead of in-person or phone conversations. This can change how quickly offers are exchanged and how much back-and-forth happens.
tax
"Oh, there's no your new york too. So the tax is gonna be its thing"
Tax is the government charge added to the purchase price. It can significantly change the final “out the door” total.
In OTD negotiations, sales tax is a major driver of the final number because it’s calculated as a percentage of the purchase price (and sometimes varies by state and local rules). That’s why the speaker keeps referencing getting to a specific OTD target.
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