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Sexy Car Bro
About this episode
Alex, Jim, and Paul dive into the latest in electric vehicles and the Motability Scheme. They discuss Alex's experience with the powerful Lotus Amare, charging speeds, and the KGM Action. The conversation shifts to the recent removal of premium brands from the Motability Scheme, sparking a debate on fairness and accessibility. They also explore various electric vehicles, including the smart hashtag five and the Citroen C5 Aircross, while sharing thoughts on upcoming launches and industry trends. With humor and insightful commentary, this episode covers a range of topics relevant to EV enthusiasts.
Topics:
lotus amare
motability scheme
charging speeds
smart hashtag five
citroen c5 aircross
electric vehicles
premium brands
car launches
industry trends
Cars:
Audi Q7
BMW 1 Series
BMW iX3 (G08)
Byd Seal
Citroen Berlingo
Citroen C3 Aircross
Citroen ë-C3
Dacia Spring Electric Cargo
Fiat Multipla
Ford Puma
Genesis GV60
Hyundai Kona
Jeep Grand Cherokee
KGM Musso EV
Mini Countryman
Nissan Ariya
Peugeot 2008
Peugeot RIFTER
Porsche Cayenne
Renault 4 CV
Renault 5 E-Tech Electric
Ssangyong Musso
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model Y
Volkswagen ID.3
Alex and Jim are back, and this time with Paul Gawne. The trio discuss the fantastic Lotus Emeya, how Citroën makes super comfy sofa-like cars, the Smart #5 Brabus and how everyone, eventually, becomes an SUV person.
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I'm Alex, he's Jim, and this is the Charging Status EV Podcast.
Hi Jim.
I'm all right mate, how are you?
Not too bad, not too bad.
We should address the elephant in the room, actually he's in a different room.
We've got Paul with us today, hello Paul, you cheeky, maybe a few months ago.
No, not related to your weight, it was the size of your trunk, so yeah, I'll take that.
Hello guys, you all right?
Yeah, not too bad.
It's nice to be back, nice to have a full house as well, nice to be sandwiched like
the rose between two thorns that I am on the screen here.
Alex is unwell, we should mention that.
Yeah, a little bit.
Are you having to apply an ointment?
Not quite that bad, this long story short, I've got the Lotus Amare in and we took
a weekend break to Scotland, the day I got to Scotland in bed with the flu, I had
to drive back a few days later under the influence of a cold with the flu, so it's not
been great.
So you didn't get to do anything while you were there?
Not really, no, no.
Did you go to a break?
Oh well, I did, yeah, yeah, good, yeah, thank you for your concern.
How is the car?
Oh, I've still got it, I've still got it for another week, it's, it's, how did
I move in mysterious ways?
Yeah, anyway, I've got it for two weeks, it's a very special car, it's very good, I sent
you a clip of my delivery driver, he found the car quite good.
So it's a sick car bro?
Yeah, sick car bro, really sick.
Sick car, it was funny because he was delivering Alex a dishwasher, like a desktop dishwasher
kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was basically rolling it across the drive, threw it and then flipped it over a
bit.
Yeah, you should know it's, you could insert that clip and just blur his face or something.
I might do, yeah, but yeah, sorry, it's a, it's a, it's a very, very good car.
It's not massively efficient, but it's a 650 horsepower Ford or saloon, so it's not going
to be the most efficient of cars, but it does charge very quickly, so there is that, so.
Yeah, it's good.
And you said there was a slow charging in, in some circumstance, I can't quite remember.
Yeah, if you use Tesla chargers, it will cap at 79 kilowatt.
Is that on every Tesla charger?
That's on every Tesla char, every 400 volt charger.
Oh, okay.
Yep.
That's.
So whichever, yeah, whichever, whatever DC to DC converter they've got going on with
that car, it's, it's, it's obviously not up to snuff.
It's a bit unfortunate.
And so.
Yeah.
But yeah.
What have you been driving, Paul?
Well, at the moment on the drive, I've got a KGM action, which is, which is the
same one we had, Alex.
Exactly.
The launch.
Yeah.
And that's funny.
The same.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The same number plate.
Wow.
Wow.
There you go.
It's an interesting car.
It's not bad.
Not as bad as some that I've had.
I thought it was all right to be fair.
I was disappointed by the both versions of the Tourette's.
Yeah.
I thought the axiom was actually quite a lot better, despite it being the same
platform.
Do you know what?
I drove the Musso EV truck.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That was really, really good, actually.
That was pretty nice.
And it's almost got the same interior as this car.
So it's actually quite nicely specced.
Quite nice inside.
Again, that's on the same platform, isn't it?
The same sort of EV platform of the electric Torres and the electric
axiom, I think.
There is an electric axiom.
No, no.
It's just petrol.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
There's no options either, which is quite nice.
You just buy the car.
Yeah.
It happens more and more often now, though, doesn't it?
Yeah.
I kind of like it, to be honest, because you just know what you can get.
And it's quite nice.
It happens a lot with the Chinese.
Yeah.
I think for us when we're talking about it, it's quite nice not to be able to
not to have to remember all the different specs and things.
It's like, this is the car.
If you buy it, this is what you'll get.
And it's nice and simple.
So I do like that.
Although, I remember them like this.
Cheek sheet.
Yeah.
I just stand and read in my videos.
I'm just so fed up with forgetting things and getting things wrong that I
just stand and read now.
Yeah.
Really exciting for the audience.
Oh, Granddad Jim, it's like, hold on a second.
I just need to put my glasses on.
You know, I do.
Yeah, but such is life, you know, but one day it will all end thanks to the
sweet relief of death.
Until then I'll wear me very focals and read from a read from a sheet.
So that's the podcast title.
Not all bad.
The relief of death.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, you've had the spicy GV 60, haven't you?
The new one with the pretend gears?
Yes.
Yeah.
At the same time as Alex had a GV 60, actually, I think you had the pure
and I had the performance.
So I had the spicy one with all the gears and the noise and the drift
mode and all that malarkey.
And that was brilliant.
That was a very, very nice car.
But actually in terms of performance EVs, I had the smart, the
braver smart hashtag five last week.
And that was amazing.
That's 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds and 600 odd horsepower.
That's also got fake engine noises and fake gear changes and all that as
well.
That looks great as well.
I think it's like the same tube vibe somehow or something.
Yeah, I suppose.
But you know, it's cool.
It's got so much use.
You've got the camping mode in it, which I think is really brilliant.
So you don't even need a 10 box because you can put it, all the
front seats go down as well as the back seats.
And you've got screens across the front because you've got the
screen in the passenger side as well so you can watch movies
and stuff.
But also it can play white noise into the cabin at night.
Right.
Internal back off all the lights and keep it at the constant
temperature and everything and make it perfect for a night.
Because it's got off road mode and all that sort of jazz as well as
the Brabus break your neck mode.
Nice.
So it's great.
Yeah.
I really love that car actually.
I really like that.
I'd love to get one of those in for review actually, but it seems
to be one of those companies where the VRZ mail doesn't
work.
And of course there was so many brand guidelines because
you're not allowed to say you open the boot by fingering the A
hole.
You're not allowed to say that, which is a shame.
But this you've got it from a dealership, didn't you?
I did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They had band guidelines and you're not allowed to say the
words Mercedes Benz whilst you're filming a smart.
I would have called it the Mercedes Benz smart.
Yeah.
You're not allowed to even though I pick it up from a
Mercedes dealership and they're in the same building, but
they have to be very, very separate and they're trying to
completely separate the brands now.
Yeah.
But I think smart is now part of a G.
Lee.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is.
So smart was always it was weird when it was like designed
by swatch and mechanicals by Mercedes and it always
like the original the original ones I'm talking about.
Yeah.
And I always felt like the design part of it was
incredibly well done.
And the mechanical part of it was incredibly badly done.
And you think, well, as I'm watching, not cars.
But Mercedes should be able to do the mechanical bit quite
well.
Yeah.
They definitely got these sorted and sort of aligning
themselves as a sort of almost luxury EV brand actually
works really well.
I think it's great.
Yeah.
That car's 50 grand, pretty much on the nose.
And that's the top, top spec, everything.
Like Alex had one a while ago.
Did you have a three?
Hashtag three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we were saying like, you've never seen them in the
wild.
No, no.
But they look great.
I think they're really good.
Yeah.
The tech's brilliant.
Really cool.
Like the numbers all make sense.
Yeah.
And you'd think they'd be trying to push them out
to people to do reviews as much as possible.
But to be fair, I'd like to do a hashtag seven
based on that five platform with an extra couple
of points to go back because there's more than
enough space for it.
And I think that would be a real game changer at
that kind of price point as well.
Because you'd be competing with the EV nine
and stuff, but you'd have, it'd be a bit more,
you know, smart design and stuff.
I think that would be quite cool.
It's fun to hear.
Yeah.
I think they could, and I think they could
probably get it in under the 60 grand mark
if they're doing that Brabus five at 50.
They've got the hashtag one or two coming out
at some point as well.
They've actually confirmed the city car
variants.
So that'd be good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I must admit, I'm all for it.
I like, I think they, you know, it's a brand
everybody knows she's always helpful.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
What have you been driving?
So was it yesterday?
Day before I was at the Citroen C five
aircross launch, which I just took the
electric one out.
So I've done my video with the electric one.
I was thinking of the podcast and how
sometimes we drive everything apart from
electric cars.
So yeah, had that.
When's this going to go out?
Well, just watch the video and you can
see what I think about it.
There's an embargo on it and I can't
say what I think of it.
The driving impressions anyway.
What I can tell you is that the
interior is a million miles better than
the old one.
And I know the old one very well because
I had one.
And it's much like the pricing seems
very sensible for a Stellantis car and
they made quite a big deal about the
fact that they're looking at fair
pricing rather than putting out really
high prices and then having to
discount heavily, which obviously Vauxhall
has done constantly in recent years.
36 grand for a quarter and then
they knock it down to 20.
And if you saw my new car
price video the other day, you'll see
the Jeep Grand Cherokee is like the
thumbnail picture.
£88,000 and they've knocked
35 off at the dealership.
And they're kind of saying it's
possibly not the best idea to do
that.
Sometimes people think they're getting
a bargain but sometimes people think
they're taking the Michael.
So the pricing seems quite good.
And the EV variants are like
two grand more than the petrol.
So it's not
price parity but it's
not far off.
So that was good.
And I went to the,
well you were there as well
actually Alex the BYD
Seal 6.
Oh yes.
Feels like ages ago now.
Yeah it does doesn't it? What was it like a week ago?
Yeah.
And
that's a hybrid isn't it?
Yes plug-in hybrids, no EV
at the moment. I don't think it
I'm seeing one of those tomorrow actually.
Oh yeah.
Yeah at the dealership they're doing a launch
day at the dealership so they've
invited me along.
Today I've got the Nissan Aria
Nismo turning up.
So yeah
spend a week with that which will be
interesting. Very nice.
Yeah.
What else have you had in Alex apart from
the Lotus that you've had for two weeks?
And they told me they're
unavailable.
Well of course this isn't a big deal. Do you know what?
Because Alex has got it.
Do you know what? I can't remember
so I have to look at my calendar.
So
I suppose if we did mention on the podcast
the only car I've had recently is the
Tesla Model Y which we spoke about on
but that's about it really.
So Paul's got the Model 3
haven't you? Model 3 next week.
Oh sweet.
That's only recently been revised as well
hasn't it?
Would the indicator stop been put back
in or something?
Oh yes that's like a mind of business. Back in now?
Yeah I believe so.
I wonder if this one will have it though
the fleet one it might be
might be an older one but
who knows maybe.
Either way
it'll be the first time I've driven a Tesla.
Right.
Interesting.
That'll be an interesting experience
either way.
I won't colour
your
potential thoughts with my
opinions but I'll
be interested to hear what you think of it.
We all know your opinion because you've got one on the drive.
I've got one on the
road.
It's a tenner a month though.
Yeah to be fair you'd have
pretty much anything in a tenner on the road.
Did I get it because I actually
love it or
did the two things come together?
I don't know I think when I watched your video
you were telling me how I think when I watched your video
before I actually met you.
Yeah I like it a lot.
No I think it's
really good and
really well sorted and really nice
chassis.
Yeah I like pretty much everything
about that car apart from
the length of the seat base because I've got
knackered knees
and it really
kills me on long journeys
but I think that might be more
related to me than the car
and it might just be some driven
like other saloons for quite a long
time. Not kind of
low saloons
and it
I don't know if that's
me or the car so
it'll be interesting actually because I'm sure
I've got something booked in next year
where I thought ah I can test
a similar seat
in position.
If so it means I'm going to have to be like
an SUV person in the future
and that's going to hurt me more than
the knee pain. Although you're pretty well served
because pretty much every car has an SUV now.
Yeah I know
Yeah
That's one of the good things about having
the Aria this week is
I've got to go down to like deepest Kent
on Monday
for a car launch
and last time I did it
it was terrible
like I bought
with a limp for about a week afterwards so
Are you allowed to tell us what's in deepest
Kent? What you're going to see?
Cherry Tigo 9
Oh I've got that as well on Monday
Oh
Are you filming on Monday?
Yeah
So I'm filming on Tuesday
I'm just staying over Monday night
I think Britt is doing Monday as well
isn't he?
I don't know not sure
Yeah I think I'm pretty sure he is
I saw him yesterday
and I think
he's doing Monday as well
sorry podcast listeners
we're just having a
private chat
in the middle of this
Yeah so I think everyone's there Monday
and I'm doing Tuesday
Not everyone
They say the best
or the worst
Yeah
Motability Paul
Tell us about it
I was quite keen to have a chat about
EVs and Motability
but also
there has been some breaking news
hasn't there in the last week or so
about the Motability Scheme
that I thought would be interesting to have
just a quick chat about
So for those that don't know the Motability Scheme
is a scheme where you can
swap
part of your disability
allowance
for effectively a lease payment
on a car
which is really handy
for those that need to get about
and need a car on the drive that's reliable
so
you can see the benefits of the scheme
in helping people to obtain a car
that's going to be new
because it's better to maintain etc
and more reliable
and
it's always been the case that
the better car you want the more you pay up front
so basically
you can have a
car
and pay nothing up front
or you can pay a little bit
and get something slightly better
or something slightly faster
or something slightly more
if you aspire to have a particular type of car
you can pay a bit more
just like any other lease agreement really
as Jim will tell us
what you pay
up front
will
that
and that's basically the difference
now the big news
coming out of the government
and the Chancellor's Budget
was that
certain brands have been removed
from the scheme
and I feel like this is a bit of a political move
and obviously we don't want to get political
but Mercedes, BMW
Audi
Alfa Romeo
and Lexus have all been removed from the scheme
so
I first of all wanted to sort of
get your thoughts on that without being political
but
I thought that was
in my personal view
maybe I'll go first and say that my personal view
was that I don't think that's
particularly fair on those brands
because the cars they're putting out
at those price points
aren't necessarily better than some of the other cars
that are available on there
it's just a badge
I think
and then you've got brands like
you can't have a BMW 1 series but you can have
a
new mini
countryman
which is mostly the same
internals
you're just getting a mini badge
rather than a BMW badge
and minis are very premium
brand nowadays
exactly you can get a Polestar and a Volvo
but you can't get
an Audi
or a BMW
and I just don't think it's quite right
and I think the way
it was
made out
like
you can't have Mercedes drivers
on motability
I just felt that was a little bit unfair
because these people also
they're paying out the money up front
to obtain those
higher value cars if you like
I think the biggest thing that doesn't
get mentioned about motability
is that it's not means tested
so you
don't get motability because you're on the
rock and roll
you get motability
because of a disability
yeah
and as you said
you get a certain amount of money
and you can either pocket that money
to help you with
things you may need or you can put it
towards a car and surely it's your business
I think what they need
to do is either say well it's now means
tested and if you don't need
the money you don't get it which would
cause mayhem
or
if you want
a car you can have one of these
and it costs 30 quid a month
and that's the motability
scheme or you've got a choice
and if you've got a choice it should be the same
choice for everyone like
if you're getting a payment because you've got one
leg
why does it matter if you decide
you're going to use that
in an MGZS
or an Audi Q7
yeah
because the cost of the government
is the same
the rest of the cost is yours
so
like
no matter what car you pick
the same amount of money is being paid
to the leasing company
effectively every single
week
if they wanted to do something
about the cost of
motability
this has done nothing to the cost of the scheme
but perhaps they'd have been better off
looking at who qualifies for it
and who doesn't and who qualifies
for the PIP and who doesn't
yeah
and because
certainly I'm sure everyone knows of cases
where people have taken
the piss and
got benefits they weren't entitled to
and then the flip side of that
people that are in desperate need
of help that get absolutely nothing
yeah
definitely yeah it's shocking
I mean my dad
in his last sort of months
he was on
oxygen 24 hours a day
and he couldn't
get any assistance going
anywhere and he was still driving around
and he I mean he wasn't told
not to he actually asked
and they said no you can still drive
no way he should have been
so I would try and take him to things when I could
but we asked for a disabled badge
for him and they said he couldn't have one
and I mean he would walk
maybe six feet
and then have to stop for
like a minute
and then walk another six feet
I mean he had COPD
his lungs were
basically becoming useless
and
absolutely nothing for that
and then I also know
of cases where people have absolutely
taken the Michael
and become sort of professionally
unemployed and
go for everything they can possibly go for
I think you're always going to have
some people that game the system aren't you
yeah totally yeah
but why they take choice away from
people and it's actually
it's cost neutral to the government
the other thing that's been removed
are coupes
why?
I genuinely think
the only reason that's been done
is because it's
a poster story
it's about how it looks
and it's controversial isn't it
because the people
that are complaining the loudest
are saying things like well why should he get
a free BMW or why should he get a free Audi
you know why should he be
driving a sports car
yeah but these are people
that if you ask them is it
means tested or not they'd probably all say yes
yeah and it's not
you can be a millionaire and get a motability car
exactly
exactly
there was one thing
yeah there was one thing that you're saying
the cost of
the government is negligible
the motability scheme covers insurance
so I'm just wondering if
they've
analysed the figures
and found that these premium
brands are costing them more in insurance
there might be that aspect to it
I'm not sure though
it's like a fleet insurance
yeah it's like a fleet insurance though isn't it
for everybody
that won't
be an issue at all
okay
by the way I said that very
confidently but
those of you who don't know
I spent 25 years
I understand that
and I think with the insurance
part like there are
multiple cars you can't have
under 25
and stuff like that so they have
there are certain levels where they say
you can't have that and then they still
put black boxes on cars if they feel
they have to
so the insurance company
that they deal with does have some
say in that who gets which cars
and things as well so
I don't know I think that's probably mitigated
by those circumstances
and they'll effectively be
paying the cost per unit and
because not
so important
yeah definitely
the other
piece of news from the changes that
happened last month now
is
that the
ambition is for 50% of all
vehicles
which are leased through the scheme to be
British built in 10 years time
I think that's something we can all get
on mind because that's good manufacturing
it encourages
brands who are
doing a lot of business through
mobility to set up some kind of
plant or
some kind of assembly
situation here in the UK
and it's
sort of an encouragement rather than
a
check up the
ambitious
but kind of good for our economy
of
see what they could do with that
is ramp up a bit more and say
if you want to be part of the scheme you have
to have a manufacturing base in the UK
yeah
and I mean that would restrict
choice even further but
so much of the new car market
is driven by motability
or you have to have at least this in the UK
or that in the UK
so many employees
in the UK that are on
that side like R&D
or
something
some part of the engineering or manufacturing
we need engineers again
don't we
I think you can imagine someone like Terry
putting up an assembly plant in the UK
yeah
you could absolutely imagine that because then they'd have
three, four brands
whatever
bringing out cars
putting them together
and in that sweet spot on the motability
scheme
you could imagine them putting the money in to do something like that
I quizzed them about that
a lot when I was in China
and
and some quite senior bots as well
and they were very keen
not to say no
to that idea but they also
didn't say yes
they were giving
what you will find often is manufacturers
if you ask them that sort of question
you'll get a
well we would have to look at the wider picture
and it might be that European
blah blah blah
and with Terry it was
where we sell significant volumes of vehicles
we manufacture vehicles
and I said but you're selling
quite good volumes in the UK now
so if that were to continue the trajectory
and
and said nothing is
off the table
and then it just repeated
if we sell significant
volumes of cars
and I thought
that's
we've got all these old issues
car plants and stuff so
I know the equipment
will need to be changed out and a lot of them
all of them
but you've got like the building
to start off with and
production lines sort of
set up so
you sort of think like if
there's a kind of thing where
some investment from
inducements from the government
could actually create a lot of jobs
and building things again
that'd be nice
I think that's actually a really good
aspirational kind of
change actually because that's
benefit to everybody here
if we've got a
better car building economy in the UK
so I think that's
kind of a good change
yeah
yeah 100%
cool and away from the news I was going to
suggest
we look at
certain categories
within motability
and I'll tell you some cars
that are available in those categories
and then we can have a little chat about which ones we think
probably would be the better buy
based on our
experience what we've seen and that sort of thing
I think that might be quite useful
something like a fun game
yeah yeah so first of all
cars with...
he just appeared
for this game I've picked EVs only
obviously
so first of all
I've got a category with zero
or zero advanced payment
so you can have any addition of the Ford Puma
a Citroen EC3
or EC3 Aircross
Kia Nero
Vauxhall Frontera
or a Dacia Spring
Alex
probably the Ford Puma I've not driven it
but I've heard very very good things about it
and it's storage space
and that sort of stuff
the other ones
Kia Nero is getting on a bit now
in terms of age
and the springs are a bit limited
so what about you Jim?
for me it'd be the Nero
or the
EC3 Aircross I think
yeah
like the Puma
it's got a lot going for it
it's got big boot
but it's like the interior quality
for me
and yeah
I don't know
I've driven a Puma
and I felt it was a bit
meh
it's like okay
I can see why they're going to sell millions of these
it's okay
and that was kind of it
I didn't think it was particularly exciting in any way
what would you go for
from that group then
I quite like the Nero
yeah
I think it's a really good car
quite a useful
family car I suppose
that or
or the C3 Aircross again
because actually it's like driving your Sofa
they're so comfy
and I know it's Citroen
so its build quality isn't
as great as perhaps
the Kia would be
but I quite liked it
I've driven the
the non-Aircross version
and I thought do you know what
it's kind of quirky and it's kind of cool
but the bigger one is definitely a better car
yeah I think with
like Kia and Hyundai though
every car is solid
not always the most spectacular
things but there's very little
wrong with them
yeah agreed
well what's the next round
okay next
so these are all the cars between
a pound
and a thousand pounds
advanced payment
ready
Hyundai Insta
Volkswagen ID3
Fiat Grand Panda
Grand Day Panda
Grand
Panda
Peugeot 2008
the Hyundai Kona
and the Suzuki Evertara
Alex
I think instinctively the Kona
I drove one last year
it's a very very solid car
as you guys said with the Nero
there's very little wrong with it
yeah
Insta's really good but it's a bit
I'm not sure if we're picking cars
that are suitable for family use
or just the ones we just like
in these categories it's just
what you would pick, what your favourite is
out of those
okay so
for me like the best one
to drive is going to be the Insta
because I absolutely love it
I think it's phenomenal
I'd probably get the ID3
I need a bit more range
and a bit more space
a bit more passenger room and stuff
but the best driver
I think is the Insta
because I think it's exceptional
it is, it's good
so for me I
actually quite like the Grand Panda
I think it's funky
I'm not sat in one yet
so I might completely change my mind when I actually sit in one
but just from looking at the pictures
and other people's videos
I think they're really funky
I think that's a great looking car
but otherwise
it would be between the Kona
and Insta depending on what I needed
because I think the Insta, I've driven that
it was loads of fun
it was really funky inside
I really like the design of it
how it felt when you're in it
as well as driving
and the Kona again is just
solid
it's weird the Insta
I mean it's a really small car
but it almost feels like you're in a van
because the windscreen pushed so far back
yeah
I think you've got that thing as well
where like the door cards
in cars now are so thick
because they've got massive door bins
handles and all that
whereas it's almost van like
in terms of there's nothing on the door
to give you that more internal space
but when you're in it
and you sit very upright again like a van
as well so it's
it's a nice car to drive
thanks for that Dale Winton
I've got one more category for you
oh great
one more
and this is best electric
7 seater on the scheme
oh there aren't too many
no
so you've got a choice between
the
Peugeot E-Rifter
and the
Citroen E-Berlingo
which are both between
14999
sorry
1499 and
19999
the Vauxhall Combo Life
which I think is pretty much the same van
all these rounds are the same
2699
then you've got the Peugeot
E-5000 and 8
at
5299 pounds
up front payment
and the Ford Tourneo Custom
at
around 7000
up front payment
the only proper cars
the 5000 and 8
the others are
car derived vans
and the 5000 and 8
has got decent range
loader space
and the others are going to have
poor range and charge slowly
so I think that's
that's quite
easy one
I like the look
of the 5000 and 8 as well
I think it's quite a smart looking car
do you know what I think
French cars had a long period
where they were the most boring looking
they always used to be really quirky
didn't they and then they had this period
I don't know
2000's and it's just so dull
all of them and I think they're back in their groove now
they're like
the French manufacturers are
producing some
interesting looking cars again
like Peugeot have produced some great looking things
in the last few years
I think the 408 is a beautiful looking car
yeah
and yeah there is some
nice stuff obviously like we got the Renault 5
and
I even quite like the Renault 4
and it's a very different
kind of thing
but you know when
they're daring to be quirky again
and sort of leaning into the fact that
yeah we're French and we're different
and I think we're seeing people do retro
right
unlike Ford
I think we're seeing
Renault especially
and now Fiat doing
retro in a really good way
because they're actually bringing fun
playful type
cars that have a real homage to their
originals
and I like that a lot
I do like that
yeah we need that special gulf
to come out
Mark II inspired
I know they've showed off the concept
haven't they and it's definitely
getting there
I saw people
are off to Barcelona today Alex
and
the new
ID
where's it
ID Cross is it?
oh the ID one
one or two
obviously
we're not there
well this is a green screen I'm on a plane obviously
but that would be an interesting one
I really look forward to seeing that
I wish they'd given it a midge
more range
but
that could be a very interesting car
well the first drives are out on the IX3 as well
aren't they?
oh yeah they are
and I think that is a very cool car
didn't go to that either
no
I'm hoping to go on the UK one
I do hope so because I'm really excited
about that car
that was one at Munich
YouTube guys go into that room
where they had like inflated the interior
no I did
but I did manage to blag myself a look
around the actual car on the stand
yep
I made a video on that
I actually got to sit in it and have a play
in the car which was great
and it felt really nice inside
it did feel like a really cool car
it does doesn't it
what they've done with the interior
is very cool
I like the design
I mean a lot of people are saying they hate it
and I know people always seem to hate
any change to BMW
but I feel like it evolves really nicely
and when they do put
something brave out there in different
I think hats off
I think it's great that they've gone from concept to
actually making it
and it is still looking like that
very similar yeah
I think that's brilliant it's not been sort of dumbed down by the
suits in the room
do you know what
I love to see a car
where I don't like the design
like because it's so wild
and crazy
because that happens so little
now usually you don't like it
because it's just so bland
and
I don't know we need to get
the new Fiat
what was it the
Multipla
why would anyone
ever design that
my brother bought one of that
and he called it one of those
and he called it the ugly bus
that's brilliant
I'll tell you what in terms of brave design
there's that new Dacia
that little Dacia city car
kind of concept
the hipster
yeah that's it
what is it
it's called the hipster
it's got like fabric door handles
do you have to change your glasses for that Jim
I'll definitely
make it to production
that's the first time the word hipster's
been typed into Jim's computer
yeah right
all right that looks
a bit like a K car doesn't it
it does yeah very much so
yeah
that's quite interesting
I'm not upset at that
I like that
it'll never get built but I like it
I've just seen
the picture next to humans
and it's tiny
isn't it yeah it is little
geez
but I won a top gear award last week
hmm all right
I wonder how much that costs
actually
it's award season at the moment
I've been
like on the other side of
award season in a different
industry and
should we do some charging
status awards
taking with a pinch of salt
we should do an awards night
we should do an awards night
worst guest
ah
thanks guys
we're going to call it the
Paul Gaughan Award
Paul
the top gear
when they did the golden cock
we should do like a
Greg's Award for the best roadside
snack or something
that's true yeah
maybe we could record
something and put it out a new year
and off the
kind of awards
that would be a good one
yeah I did a video
a few years ago and I think people
were just so awarded out by that time
because they do them all
at the same time
it's got to be quite ridiculous
it's got to be something different isn't it
it's held as well like when you
obviously the magazines in that have
at least driven someone there has driven
everything
where even if
this year I drive 100 cars
I haven't driven 250
no
but it would be interesting
there are some awards I'd give out
the best 7-seater I've driven
Ionic 9
that was great
nice
I think it's possible
but one thing that is
interesting this week
depending on when this goes out is
kind of all the world's colliding
here
the Formula E season
starts this weekend in Sao Paulo
so that's the electric racing series
like the electric
version of Formula 1 effectively
yeah yeah
and if you like motorsport
and Paul's channel is one you need to subscribe to
all those weekly motorsport
news
and yeah
not many would do it in that
and so go and
check out Paul's YouTube channel
I wasn't destined for a plug to be found
I was just sort of colliding out
this is an EV championship
it's a nice natural place
something I find really
interesting actually is the tech in it
because they have a pit boost now
where you can charge the car
in a pit stop so just in a few seconds
they plug the car in
and they just give it
many hundreds of volts of electricity
and it just gives it
a massive boost in terms of power
so I think that is very
very cool technology and there's like a big
pioneering
super fast charging kind of
technology that they've introduced
probably trickle down to the road eventually
yeah
it's all manufacturers that should be very
relevant
Citroen have come back this year
their Stellantis team
and Porsche
and obviously Porsche are working really hard
on wireless charging and things as well aren't they
there's quite a lot of technology
coming out of Formula E
and what they learn in motorsport as well
that Porsche wireless charging
75 kilowatts
that's impressive
I mean I saw it
it's all wireless charging in China but it was
7 kilowatt
which I thought that was
good enough but 75 kilowatt
I think we saw it in Munich didn't we
they had the
the Cayenne was it
yeah I look great
I mean imagine you put that on your drive
it
you wouldn't need to would you I suppose
it's the thing on your drive
the slow charging is enough
you have them on service stations and things
mmm
my wish for public charges
is still that you could just choose your rate
yeah
so you can say I'm going to be an hour
and you know make sure it's charged
in an hour
and so that you could go and do your thing
because charging too quickly
is a problem
oh I did see in America
in good old America they have
actually I'm sure I'm doubting myself now
there was somewhere where they're testing
a charging lane
so it's not wireless induction charging
but it's in a whole lane
in the motorway so you can just pull over
into that lane as you're driving along there
it's charging your batteries
I did a thing in Holland like several years ago
I think they did like
13 mile stretch of motorway
with inductive charging
I think it was in Holland
and that was quite a long time ago
but
yeah that would
be unbelievable but
you have to wonder how
they would bill it and
the cost to install that
well you know they can catch you
if you go in a bus lane so I'd imagine
they'd see the same technology
yeah
you'd get a letter from the old councilman
they'd say you're in the charging lane
that's 50 quid thank you
they always take one for the pot hole
though couldn't they
so you know
I don't know if they're tasting
sticking a camera up different to
digging up like 10 miles of road
yeah
I saw
Citroen have actually paid
to fill pot holes in Gateshead for a week
they're so fed up
by the state of the roads
that Citroen actually paid
for a team to go and fill pot holes for a week
wow
I mean Citroen must have felt pretty incensed
because normally you can't fill pot holes
in Citroens because they just glide
yeah
well right
I think that's it
I think so
thank you so much for joining us
Paul and talking us through the motability
scheme and having a little game there
it was quite good fun
where can people find you if they want to find out more about you
and what you do
yeah so my channel is called Gorn in 60 seconds
no spaces
on YouTube
and on there you'll find my motorsport
and motability and car
review content all in one place
very good
what about you Jim
YouTube's definitely not guru
not guru.co.uk
has got all my social links
on and everything like that
and pictures of my lovely face
what about you Alex
we can always find you in Gregg's
but where else
you can find my car reviews at the interface cars
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thank you
yeah without further ado
that's pretty much it really
thanks so much for watching and listening
and we'll see you again next time
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