Matt Farah and the crew bounce from car culture to real-world ownership: they debate the ethics and pricing of movie props after Farah drops big money on Wesley Snipes’ “Demolition Man” gun, then pivot into reviews. The Volvo EX30 gets praise for compact fun and strong performance, but criticism for mode resets, clunky climate controls, and wireless charging quirks. Singer’s Porsche 964 DLS is treated like a near-perfect analog-meets-race-engine experience—light, sharp, and obsessively calibrated. The show also includes Q&A on EV vs gas prices, parts availability for older cars, and buying advice for used sports cars.
Matt Farah finds out if the Singer DLS is as perfect as they say; he and Zack Klapman trade opinions on the Volvo EX30 they drove; a "Demolition Man" prop slips through fingers; and Patreon questions include:
Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE
Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities.
Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE
*The Porsche 911 Restored and Reimagined by Singer as the DLS
Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast
Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! Enter code TST10 for a 10% discount on your first case on the Off The Record app, or go to http://www.offtherecord.com/TST.
Watch our car reviews: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire
"It's also based on an a heckler and cock Prototype of a gun that was never made well, so it's actually got some sort of double history"
Heckler & Koch is a real gun company that makes firearms used by militaries and police. If a movie gun is based on their prototype work, it’s drawing from something that actually existed in some form.
Heckler & Koch (often abbreviated H&K) is a major German firearms manufacturer known for military and law-enforcement weapons. When a movie prop is based on an H&K prototype, it can connect pop-culture design to real-world engineering history.
"[352.7s] Yeah, so I told Hannah I would be in up to four [357.1s] right, okay [358.5s] the pre-auction estimate was like a [361.9s] 1500 to 2500, but you know, I'm sure this went for like"
Before the auction, the seller gives a guess about what something might sell for. Bidding can still push the price way above or below that guess.
A pre-auction estimate is the auction house’s expected price range for an item before bidding starts. It helps set expectations, but the final sale price can be higher or lower depending on demand.
"...and if you just look at the car faxes of those specific vins you can see that a lot of those vins do end up at end users and are not like still in these dealer inventory..."
Carfax is a report that shows a car’s history, like who owned it and whether it was ever reported for accidents or service. People use it to check if the story about a car matches what actually happened.
A Carfax report is a vehicle history document that compiles data from sources like insurance claims, title records, and service events. Enthusiasts use it to verify ownership history and whether a car was in dealer inventory versus sold to end users.
"I had a friend who got their identity stolen someone opened a credit card in my dad's name somehow in Texas
It's crazy out there."
Identity theft is when someone steals your personal information and uses it to get money or credit in your name. It can take a long time to fix.
Identity theft is when someone uses your personal information to commit fraud—like opening credit accounts in your name. The host uses it as a real-world example of why privacy tools and takedown requests matter.
Heated seats warm you up while you drive. It’s a comfort feature that can make a big difference in cold weather.
Heated seats use built-in heating elements to warm the seat cushions and sometimes the backrests. The speaker mentions them as part of the EX30’s feature set that helps justify the price.
"you know dual motor only this has a couple of nice things on it heated steering wheel heated seats"
A heated steering wheel warms up the wheel so your hands don’t get cold. It’s a comfort feature that’s especially nice in winter.
A heated steering wheel uses an electrical heating element to warm the wheel for comfort in cold weather. It’s a common convenience feature on EVs and luxury trims, and the speaker lists it as one of the EX30’s “nice things.”
"But it's cheaper than the model 3 performance sure that has like those like 55 and has adaptive shocks and all"
Adaptive shocks are suspension parts that can change how firm or soft the ride feels. The goal is to be comfortable but still handle well.
Adaptive shocks (adaptive dampers) automatically adjust suspension stiffness based on driving conditions. This can improve ride comfort while still keeping handling tight, and the speaker uses it as a differentiator versus the Volvo’s setup.
"The one pedal driving was kind of weird you operate EVs far often more often than I do so one pedal Had it in high region essentially high high whatever one pedal aggressive"
In one-pedal driving, you mostly use the gas pedal to slow down. When you lift off, the car slows itself using energy recovery, so you may use the brake less.
One-pedal driving is an EV driving mode where lifting off the accelerator triggers strong regenerative braking to slow the car. Drivers often “feather” the accelerator to control deceleration and come to a stop smoothly, which can feel unfamiliar if you’re used to conventional brake-based driving.
"I was like panicking... I didn't I found the climate control less intuitive than I wanted it to be. Yeah, the when it's on auto it's just blasting"
Climate control is what keeps the car’s cabin comfortable—heat, A/C, and fan behavior. They’re saying it wasn’t easy to adjust the way they wanted.
Climate control is the system that manages cabin temperature and airflow. In this segment, the speaker criticizes how the climate control behaves on Auto and how the menu structure makes it harder to fine-tune settings.
"You have to go there are two different climate menus the climate menu always sits at the bottom... Oh, there's a second climate menu in here that I have to mess with"
They’re saying the car’s climate settings are spread across more than one screen. That makes it harder to change things quickly when you’re driving.
This describes a UI design where climate functions are split across multiple screens/menus. The speaker’s main complaint is that you can’t quickly adjust common settings (like fan speed or max cooling) without discovering the second menu.
"this Shelf angled shelf that can hold your phone. I guess what's the wireless charger... The don't charge my fucking phone very well, they don't work"
Wireless phone charging uses electromagnetic induction instead of a physical USB cable. The speaker criticizes performance, noting it doesn’t charge well and can overheat the phone, which can be a common real-world issue depending on the charger and phone.
"We've had wireless charging out now for I don't know six years
[1840.2s] Yeah, and that was a problem in the beginning is if your phone moved it all it would it would disengage it that still happens"
Wireless charging means your phone charges on a pad in the car without plugging in a cable. If the phone moves a little, it may stop charging.
Wireless charging uses an inductive pad in the car to charge a phone without plugging in a cable. In practice, it can be sensitive to phone placement, so if the phone shifts, charging can stop or slow down.
"in the BMW M2
[1883.4s] It was flopping around. It's just it's it sits there and you hit a bump and all of a sudden you're not charging anymore like yeah"
They’re saying the BMW M2’s wireless charging can be annoying because the phone can shift. When you hit a bump, charging can suddenly stop.
The BMW M2 is used as an example of a car where wireless charging is unreliable because the phone can move. The speaker describes how hitting a bump can cause the phone to lose alignment and stop charging.
"Because the range is good the power is great
[1935.5s] It's if it fits your body, then I like that it's a"
Range is how far the car can go before it needs charging. They’re saying the range is good, which makes the car easier to live with.
Range is how far an EV can drive on a full charge. The speaker frames range as a key reason the Model 3 option is attractive, since it affects daily usability and trip planning.
"You know like and it's you can see all this raw carbon
But it doesn't feel like those"
“Raw carbon” means carbon fiber that’s left exposed instead of being covered up. It’s common on expensive cars because it can look cool and help keep weight down.
“Raw carbon” refers to exposed carbon-fiber surfaces rather than painted or heavily finished trim. It’s often used on high-end exotics to save weight and show off the material’s texture and weave.
"There's like a I think it's a five-stage traction control system that knob right behind the shifter
There's all these different, you know, there's different engine maps and different like ABS maps"
Traction control helps prevent wheel spin. If the tires lose grip, it adjusts power and/or braking so the car stays controllable.
A traction control system (TCS) monitors wheel slip and reduces power or applies braking to maintain grip. The speaker mentions a multi-stage traction control setup, tuned to work with the gearbox and engine maps for consistent low-speed behavior.
"There's all these different, you know, there's different engine maps and different like ABS maps
They really they they did a lot of like"
Engine maps are the computer’s “rules” for how the engine responds. Changing the maps can make the car feel smoother, more responsive, or more predictable.
Engine maps are the ECU’s programmed relationships between inputs (like throttle) and outputs (like fuel and ignition timing, and sometimes boost). The speaker credits extensive calibration work with multiple engine maps to achieve the desired drivability and response.
"Who the fuck cares what the zero to sixty of this is? ... I don't give a fuck what the zero to sixty time is"
Zero to sixty is how fast the car gets from a stop to 60 mph. The hosts are basically saying that number isn’t the only thing that makes a car great.
“Zero to sixty” refers to how quickly a car accelerates from 0 mph to 60 mph, usually measured in seconds. The episode treats it as a marketing metric that can be less important than subjective driving experience and feel.
"They this that seems sick the NA cars seem like the turbo ones are really fun But I just like the response of NA the sound of it all of that."
A turbo is a device that squeezes extra air into the engine so it can make more power. Some people like the punch, others prefer the simpler feel of non-turbo engines.
A turbocharger forces more air into the engine, allowing more power from a smaller displacement. The tradeoff is that turbo power can feel different than naturally aspirated power, especially around boost onset.
"They they probably perfection is expensive. It's fucking really expensive. Yeah, it's so expensive to make something the the best"
“Perfection is expensive” is the idea that reaching the very top of engineering performance and refinement costs disproportionately more. At extreme levels, improvements require expensive materials, complex development, and extensive testing. The speaker ties this to why the “best” version of a car can be extremely costly.
"Like the like the crank the crank windows like it's this thing has crank windows. But the crank window mechanism is this beautifully like fucking made thing..."
Some cars roll the windows by hand with a crank. It’s not electric, so you feel the mechanism as you move the window.
“Crank windows” are manual side windows operated by a hand crank instead of an electric motor. The appeal is tactile—mechanical linkages and the feel of the mechanism can be more satisfying than power windows.
"That's like a racing engine, but but below
[3131.7s] 5,000 it does have some power you can drive around. It's not like dead so you can you can drive around and like
[3139.9s] You know kind of rip the thing up to about four or five thousand rpm"
RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. When you’re driving hard, you want to keep the engine in the RPM range where it makes the most power.
RPM (revolutions per minute) is how fast the engine spins. In performance driving, the RPM range where power “comes on” matters as much as peak horsepower because it affects acceleration and shift timing.
"I think it's also really expensive to build engines. I think you know to actually like
forge or cast your blocks and stuff like that. It's probably a really
intense and expensive endeavor"
They’re talking about how the main engine structure (the block) is made. Casting is like pouring metal into a mold, while forging uses pressure to shape metal—both are expensive steps in engine building.
“Forging” and “casting” refer to how engine blocks are manufactured. Casting uses molten metal poured into a mold, while forging shapes metal under pressure; both affect cost, strength, and how an engine can be engineered.
"The grant as a new Gran Turismo given a sufficient cash on the hood ... It's really a cheap Porsche turbo if there's cash on the hood"
“Cash on the hood” is just slang for having money to spend. They mean if you’ve got the budget, you can get the better version of the car.
“Cash on the hood” is slang for having a lot of money available—often implying you can afford the best trim, options, or a newer/cleaner example. In car talk, it usually means you can buy the car you want rather than settling for a cheaper one.
"How are the gas prices at the very moment? I need a new car. Yeah, or the very moment. I'm buying gas, right"
“Gas prices” refers to the cost of gasoline per gallon, which directly impacts how expensive it is to operate a vehicle. The hosts are using a hypothetical scenario (gas rising to a specific national level) to estimate changes in annual fuel spending.
"The average f 150 hybrid ... Whereas if you have a Camry hybrid you would spend something like $370 a year more"
A hybrid powertrain combines a gasoline engine with an electric motor/battery to improve fuel economy. In this segment, the hosts use “hybrid” to explain why a Camry hybrid and an F-150 hybrid would experience different changes in annual fuel spending as gas prices rise.
"people might be a few people might be thinking about buying an EV ... How much more is this EV going to cost versus the car I have"
An EV is an electric car that runs on electricity instead of (mostly) gasoline. The segment is about whether it makes financial sense to switch, especially if government incentives change.
EV stands for electric vehicle—cars powered primarily by electricity stored in a battery. The discussion focuses on whether people should switch to an EV quickly, and how incentives like tax credits can affect the real cost of buying one.
"Like at a certain point Pirelli was forced to start making tires again, you know people bitched
[4349.3s] And Pirelli had to start making tires for coontoshes and Diablos and LM double O2s"
Pirelli is a well-known tire brand. The point here is that if enough people need tires for older cars, companies may start making them again.
Pirelli is a major tire manufacturer, and the episode uses it as an example of how niche demand can force a company to keep producing parts. When enough enthusiasts complain or buy, production can restart for older or less common vehicle applications.
"You type in a part number and it'll be the same Bosch number or the same whatever number as other cars
[4395.8s] From other oems or other models."
Bosch is a company that supplies car parts to lots of different manufacturers. If you find the Bosch part number, it can help you locate the same part for other cars.
Bosch is a major automotive supplier that makes electronics and components used across many brands. The transcript’s point is that Bosch part numbers can help you identify the same component across different vehicles.
"If you could get a great 996 turbo for 50, which i'm not sure you can but if you could
That would be great
50 goes a pretty long way in an r32 skyline. Yeah, that gets you a nice car
Similar to a 996 turbo like they do similar jobs. Yeah, I think and furthermore if you're willing to throw 50 at a jdm car"
JDM means the car was built for the Japanese market. The tradeoff is that it can be more complicated to own in the U.S. because parts and mechanics may be harder to find.
JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market—cars that were originally sold in Japan. The key point in this discussion is that JDM cars can be cheaper or more interesting, but they can also be harder to service in the U.S.
"A very sick supra that would just happen to be right hand drive
Um, you can get a chaser you get some other really interesting stuff."
Right-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car. That can be different from most cars in the U.S., so it’s something to think about before buying.
Right-hand drive (RHD) means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car, which is common in Japan and the UK. For U.S. buyers, RHD can affect daily usability, visibility, and how easily you can find compatible parts and service.
"I need you to be asexual and non-binary and focused on fucking my head gasket
[4656.8s] And the dudes like what are your pronouns like you're worried about the wrong thing, sir"
The head gasket is like a tight seal inside your engine. If it breaks, the engine can overheat or mix fluids, and it can become a big (and expensive) problem.
A head gasket is the sealing layer between the engine block and the cylinder head. If it fails, you can get coolant and oil mixing or combustion gases leaking, which often leads to overheating and major engine damage if ignored.
"That's a different question. Make sure the camera is in a very safe place... you are gonna have to think about safety and if you if they're putting you in a position that you feel is unsafe"
This is guidance on how to stage filming for high-performance driving: keep the camera out of likely crash paths (outside the corner/impact zone) and avoid positions where a slide could loop toward it. It’s a practical safety concept for motorsport media.
Select text to request an explanation
What up everybody Matt Farah here welcome to the smoking tire podcast today's episode is brought to you by off the record
We love off the record here because they are looking out for you everywhere in the country
Look if you get a moving violation big small or in between don't plead guilty get off the record
They will fight that ticket all the way up if they need to turn a supreme court. I'm telling you no for real though
They will connect you with a qualified attorney in almost any jurisdiction in the United States
Those folks will fight these tickets and I got to tell you the vast majority of the time they win
It's relatively affordable and if you use code
TST off the record comm slash
TST you get 10% off all legal services from off the record don't plead guilty get off the record
They can only help off the record comm slash
TST all right folks on this episode of the podcast we review the Volvo ex 30 and the
Singer DLS. Oh wait. No, I can't say that. It's the Porsche
964 reimagined by singer as part of the dynamics and lightweight and study
Commission did I get that right? Please don't sue me also. I don't buy
Wesley Snipes's gun. It's the smoking tire podcast. Let's go. I
Don't believe you well. I'm a little sleepy, but we're technically alive. Did you get the new COVID?
No, hot shit. Do you know? Oh, I don't know. I wonder if Sarah did
Because I just I saw a story yesterday. There's like new hot COVID coming in. There's always like new varieties
All right, but like you guys you guys got like COVID
Like the last time we went boating that yeah, we did you got one point one point. Oh beta
That was a lot worse. Yeah, it was like a your COVID was like a Cybertruck Foundation series. It was pretty bad. Oh good
But all right, I'm glad you I'm glad you just sleepy and not full of COVID nice good for a while. Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that
That's fine. I hope it was because you were working for me. No
Uh, okay a lot to talk about on this show. I drove a singer DLS. That's worth talking about
but but but first
but first I
Almost recklessly spent money this morning. Mm-hmm. I attempted to recklessly spend money this morning
But it didn't go well, but my sensibilities kicked in Clapman. Okay happened
I had I'm on a text thread with some of my friends from back east and
I was like to them this morning. I was like, all right guys, this is gonna sound a
leadest and douchey
But you're my friend so I can say this to you
What is an appropriate amount of money to spend on Wesley Snipes's gun from demolition man
to hang in my bathroom like what where do you draw the line of
This is too silly and you should not spend the money and this is you know a
Funny thing that's awesome and like worth having. Do you have a photo of the gun? I gotta find it
The magnetic accelerators. It's the it's the only gun in the movie. That's really
Like crucial to the plot. It's like the future gun that yeah
Well, the other ones are just normal fire
Yeah, so on top of this on top of it being a crucial prop to the plot of the movie
It's also based on an a heckler and cock
Prototype of a gun that was never made well, so it's actually got some sort of double history
And I don't you know like you know me like I don't like collect guns like if this wasn't the devil
I didn't you're so so anyway, what what do you think?
You know, you know me and you know, you know, what what is what is an appropriate amount of money?
Yeah
Prototype do I
Why don't I know how much you spent on the printer thing can I have that for context? I didn't buy the printer thing
Oh, I didn't win. Oh, wait. No, what do you have you mean the dead the the
The thing that printed out this the fines. No, I I was gonna bid up to like four or five thousand dollars for that
I thought that I thought that was silly
It was but it went for 16
Yeah, yeah, well I asked my friends back east
Which and these are not friends. No, no these this isn't I do have some rich friends back east
But those friends are not on this text message
But my friends on this text message are regular fucking working stiffs and they do all right
But they're like regular people one of them said 200 grand. I was like, I was like, what are you fucking nuts?
I was like, I was thinking five and he was like, oh
spend away
Yeah, he was like I had to buy something dumber than that to put in my living room that you know, no, you know
So whatever
I mean like once you become a homeowner you start buying weird shit for your house and everything is really expensive, but like
Okay, I five for you know
And because of the the printer for context that helps me I think this is it has more value than the printer, but
Well, the printer the the root the printer
$800. Yeah, no, no, I thought that's what kind of what I thought I don't get this like two grand
You know, but like and I was gonna turn it then turn it into the toilet paper dispenser, which I thought is hilarious
That's a good idea. No, definitely that didn't happen. So all right, so five
Yeah, so I told Hannah I would be in up to four
right, okay
the pre-auction estimate was like a
1500 to 2500, but you know, I'm sure this went for like
200 because it's big. Yeah, it's a gun and there's people out there
You know, yeah, I have a lot more disposable income
It didn't go for 200 and you can and you can stand it upright and light it and put it in your fourth foyer
Shit, right six figures. No, no, no, but after telling Hannah that my highest bid was gonna be four
My actual highest bid was nine
And then it's sold for 15 plus buyers premium
So it was really like 17 five out the door how people people were as excited
I'm actually maybe encouraged by society. They were as excited about this as they were about the printer
They sold for the same money. Yeah, that's bananas to me
There was some other great stuff in this auction too as a big prop master was retiring and like selling off his collection
There was some wild shit in there, dude
The fucking Wilson volleyball from Castaway went for like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars
Yeah, how many I'm sure they had more than 12 set. There was 12 balls. There were 12
Lord, yeah, people need to pay higher. No, but there's like, yeah, of course, of course, of course, but like there's you know, like
Look, if you're gonna go buy
Have you ever tried to buy it like art art? I mean probably not but like once yeah
And and you look at something and you go this is nice
How much is this and they go it's $35,000 and you go?
I'm sorry. What the fuck this is by somebody that I haven't heard of and you go well
I haven't heard you haven't heard of them yet, right?
And you go eat a fucking dick for it if it and look this is funny money for the vast majority of people
I don't have $35,000 art on my walls
But I've been in those stores before where I go this looks nice
How much is this and they go it's $27,000 and you go fuck right off. I expect you to say 500 bucks
Yeah, and like I'm not trying to insult artists
I know it takes materials and time and creativity like okay, and if you can get it. Oh God fuck in was
but for my
Whatever equivalent dollar
Yo, that's Wesley Snipes is gone from demolition man. That's that's a better more fun thing to have my house
I agree with that completely
There's also an auction coming up man. It's a little cheaper something more affordable for you perhaps the Stallone
Pre-pro photo it's a hundred dollars. I'll tell you what put you on a payment plan
You know what I wish I bought instead that was like ten lots before mine in the auction
the
One of the five back to the future to your fired faxes mm-hmm went for like thirty two hundred bucks
and I mean still you're talking about an eight and a half by eleven piece of paper that appeared in a movie but
Iconic scene sure iconic film it fits in a small frame on your wall
You know and that's a that's a pretty cool
Conversation piece for the vast majority of people between the ages of 35 and 50. I feel like we could find where that's exactly
all again
You could buy you get a replica on Etsy for 20 bucks, but that's not that's not no, but you need the same thing
I don't actually want the print. Oh, yeah
Yeah
Not I if you could get it like that like hanging out of that printer that could be kind of fun
You know, yeah, but machine back. Yeah, but other than that
I mean you kind of want you got the real there. It's gotta be the real thing is a story like so depends on what yeah, of course I
Like I like I like real things. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to get true. You don't like replica cars
I don't like replicas of of
Stuff and I know I have that relic fake-age McCready. We talked about that my guitar like
Okay, I'm not a perfect fucking consistent person, but like in general if you can have
The real thing I wouldn't fill real McCready guitar would this is right. It's no price. That's that's that's not happening
Yeah, but in general I like the real stuff. Okay. Yeah, but but anyway, man if you were
Not even like insanely rich, but kind of rich and
Just wanted to fill your house with some awesome stuff that auction was fucking chock-full of shit. Wow fucking
Quints like harpoon gun from jaws like pretty like there was a hub. There was a hoverboard
There are actually two hoverboards one was screen used and one was a promotional used
There was like a bunch of the hoverboards were like, you know, dude, if you're a
$100,000 that's a good ROI as a prop master like you've got this thing you made it for whatever you've got paid to make it
Mm-hmm, and then you sit on it for 40 years and then sell it for a hundred times what it cost to make
It's movies good. Yeah, they were saying apparently, you know some movies
They were making them like fast and they had to like destroy a lot of the props to like just clear out the storage room for the next
Movie that was coming in and so they just like burned half of it
So like there was a few movies and I forget the exact list, but like where
Just stuff from them is incredibly rare because they like just literally burned all of the props when they were done shooting
Yeah, damn dude. It was neat. I want to see so
Well, okay under my no
but so and also
You know last show we talked about this thing with the was it last show we talked about the thread from Wren List
Was that last show? Was that two shows ago?
All right
Well our friend Rob Dietz Wab who was sort of dragged into this as part of a dealer
He responded to the thread. He said it. He said it's me to read and
It it really made me think that we maybe
jumped the gun by
Talking about it on the show and spreading that it existed because
Although he didn't he Rob
Dietz who was Wab?
Wasn't able to literally debunk every single point in it
he was able to debunk enough of it that it made me question the rest of it and
Question the rest of it like to the point of like being like I feel a little guilty that we talked about that without
Maybe following up on some sources ourself first like I feel like I feel like we glint a lot of a lot of like
potentially undue credence to the thing to the idea that what was in it was fact and
Some a sum of it could be fact but like a whole bunch of it is not and in fact what in a sort of hilarious example
One of the accounts that's accused of being a car dealer that's buying these cars
Is literally the guy who bought my NSX who I know personally is an individual like who is friends with not just
Wab Rob Dietz also because he it was funny because he bought my NSX and he bought a car from from Rob
And we put them on the same truck together
We coordinated shipping to this guy and that guy's also friends with Rob freddy because Rob freddy sent me a text
From this dude with like a photo like hey, man. Look I bought Matt's NSX. So like it's like it's a guy
It's not a dealer. It's like a fucking dude. So like and you know
I can personally prove that one of these people
Actually is the user that bought my car and isn't a dealer like so
He posted a very lengthy and detailed response to this thread
and
And and I'm not saying that the nothing in it is true and I'm not saying I'm certainly not saying that everything in it is true
But I think maybe before we talked about it
We should have probably followed up a little bit better. I think that's kind of my bad
Yeah, I think we talked in the car like if we're writing an article you have a longer more time between
Story breaks and you publish story. Yeah, you you would be almost required like by the magazine to go check a bunch of sources
With this stuff, it's like the story pops up four hours before we record
Yeah, and we and a lot of other people who are not news networks
And this is the benefit of news networks as they have these like journalistic requirements is we're like
Oh, we're talking about this thing and like we'll see how it develops, right?
There's a lot of content in like let's report on it as it develops, but it does leave the story a bit one-sided until
Yeah, Bob reaches out. Yeah, so it it seems like
Not a hundred percent debunked, but like pretty substantially debunked
Debunked enough to know that I we probably shouldn't be treating it as fact
or certainly not as like
Really hard evidence of a direct thing though
He would have to come back with more evidence because like he referenced he made an app in his
Whatever they did it got a lot of the orders of ownership wrong
It got a lot of the end users wrong
Hmm, and if you just look at the car faxes of those specific vins
You can see that a lot of those vins do end up at end users and are not like still in these dealer inventory
like you're implying and like if you
Some of the things got the order of ownership wrong and so like
There was an owner here, and then it went to a dealer and then do another owner like it. It's it was just like
Not it's see and and and and look again. I
Didn't personally go through every car fax that Rob put in in his response
He put a very thorough response. You can go read it or not
But it it it casts enough doubt
You know in a way that the two the two ones that I did look into we put links to the fucking things the two
I looked into
Did back up his version of the events? So
You know I would say that it's
Substantially debunked if not totally Wow, okay. Yeah
So anyway, that's like I felt like it was important. I think it's very probably with that
I we can't go back and change a previous episode so much
Although we could put a little thing in the podcast and in the notes
I suppose are the comments on YouTube, but but at least we can as we find out some updated information, you know
Should we talk about the Volvo ex 30 before we before we go to the singer DLS. Yeah tease that shit
Don't
Guys taking a break because support is coming in hot from delete me
You guys know about delete me because I've been talking about it for a while because I've been
Using it for a while
They make it easy quick and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make
Everybody vulnerable because data brokers are making a profit off of your data. It's a commodity
People buy it sell it trade it and by it I mean your private details
This can lead to identity theft fishing attempts and harassment
but now you can protect your privacy with
Delete me and data brokers are out there running entire businesses about this
You got to fight back and that's what delete me does because it's important to me
I had a friend who got their identity stolen someone opened a credit card in my dad's name somehow in Texas
It's crazy out there. So all you have to do is when you go to
Join delete me comm slash tire
We'll get back to that you give them your personal information and I understand the irony there
But that's what you got to do. You have to tell them what to find
So you tell them where you used to work where you live where you used to live your family
Your siblings etc your your boilerplate information and then delete me goes to work
Finding all this stuff and sending takedown notices and then after about a month you get a thing saying we found your name and address
Like everywhere and then you have to click a few things to confirm that you want stuff deleted
And then every month that happens in the number of places that they find your information gets smaller and smaller and smaller
It's probably never going to go to zero because it's always an ongoing system
But the the calls the scam tall calls the text messages that I was getting before have definitely been
Reduced thanks to delete me. So you can get 20% off your delete me plan and take control of your data
Keeping your private life private by signing up for delete me
special discount for our listeners when you go to join delete me comm slash tire and then use promo code tire at
Check out. That's the only way to get 20% off is to go to join delete me
comm slash tire and enter code tire at checkout
That's join delete me comm slash tire code tire
Get some pictures EX 30. I gotta go take some pictures of this thing before it goes back
But there it is the EX 30 dead car rolling
What's funny is that they were gonna bring a single motor car here. They cancel that yeah this here and then they cancel this yes
so
Zack you've been driving it for two days. I drove it for three days before that. Do you have some thoughts? I have notes? Yeah
There they are
Let's see overall I like it you do like I do like it there are imperfections absolutely and we will get to those but
Well, I liked it more when I thought it cost the thirty six thousand dollars the single motor was supposed to cost this
You know dual motor only this has a couple of nice things on it heated steering wheel heated seats
It's like 49. Yeah, which is the average price of an EV in America, but like that's a lot of money
Yeah, it's the same or maybe more than Machi
I think it's more than some more than some Machi's for sure more than the dual motor model 3
But it's cheaper than the model 3 performance sure that has like those like 55 and has adaptive shocks and all
But yeah and way more horsepower, but this thing's got 400 horsepower. I think it's quick
It's it's very quick. Not only is it very quick the norm to me the normal
You know, it's got like eco mode normal mode and sport mode
I think the throttle is a little too sensitive in normal mode
I like I prefer to drive it in eco mode or range mode all the time
I actually like the a little bit dumber throttle that the in normal mode the throttle is fucking it sharp
It's pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah, and when paired with a one-pedal drive
I think the it's can be a little jumpy when you hit a bump it can make
Jaguar jerk the jack
That's funny that is a Jaguar jerk. There's a crazy people reference, right too
And jobs really know for women you hardly know
but but it
What really drives me nuts about this car is that it abs it reverts to standard every reverts to its own mode every time
Like full a dash back on every time you restart the car lane keep assist all that back on every time you start the car
And even if I leave the car in range mode it restarts in standard mode
It doesn't stay in range mode the Mach-E if I put it in range mode would stay there until I took it out of range
Did that only happen? Does that happen with Mach-E press cars or only when you owned it and you'd like use your app
No, I never for three years. I use fobs as a key. I never once used my phone and then point against for sure
Dude, there's this fucking full-on binary that's about to start happening with these cars where it's
Does the car stay?
With the a-dash off and and sort of how I left it or does it fucking not and man
And every car is failing even if it was gonna always revert to a-dash because they'd be like it's safer blah blah blah
Why wouldn't it stay in the range mode you want? Yeah, that's really weird change. That's really strange
Things I like it's also smaller than the the Mach-E of a bolt
Yeah, I like the compact footprint actually I found it easy to drive blah blah blah blah
I thought I thought it steers pretty good. I got used to the squeal the square wheel
I wonder if with the square wheel stuff if they just looked at how most drivers operate cars and they go
All right, you're mostly going straight you take one a turn
That's ten seconds of your life
Then you're going straight again because the wheel feels like it's designed to be comfortable going straight
Like people that rest their hand on the top the bottom whatever
Yeah, but then when when I go I went around about the steering ratio is not quick enough right where I had to get pretty
Crossed up, but I want to test it like can I just turn this 90 degrees like a Ferrari?
No, I really crossed up
Yeah, you have to do a little hand-over-hand on these 90-degree angles not just that there's no gauge cluster in front of the steering
I least favorite thing which I can live with it's not my favorite, but I can live with it
But this is one of the very small places of places where I have to give Tesla credit
Tesla's
Interiors are spartan so they can be cheap
Fucking no question about that
But at least they have a very low cowl and you can put the steering wheel
Where the fuck ever because there's no gauges there like I like a low steering wheel and the fact that there's no gauges to block and I
Can actually have the steering wheel low where I like it. It's actually incredibly comfortable to drive this thing the steering wheels up here
Yeah, I see I sit
In a way where I have to sit pretty low with the seat almost all the way down if not down
And my head is a fist from the roof in this Volvo so one one fist so it's not like I'm sitting
Too low and need to sit higher right and where I sit and my head is up here by the roof
The steering wheel is up here with my hands have to be way too high
Even at its lowest position and if you put the steering wheel up to its highest position
It's like blocking my view
Thing so weird. I also noticed this has this does something that the old Tacomas did where when I get in the right position for my legs
I am sitting too far away from the wheel doesn't telescope enough right if I move closer my knee touches the dash
Which I don't like and then this thing has I think it has either a very large B pillar or
Because of the way the seating positions laid out and the dash to axle ratio
I found myself not seeing cars in the blind spot like it has a larger blind spot because I'm so close to the B pillar
Maybe that's why it has so right next to my head
I think but the the the blind spot monitoring light on the mirror is a little bit
Dim yeah, that was brighter and most cars I've driven like it pops out and I drove it today at noon
And I was like oh that light is flashing didn't like that
The one pedal driving was kind of weird you operate EVs far often more often than I do so one pedal
Had it in high region essentially high high whatever one pedal aggressive
That's a lot it was a lot
But I was like trying to time the lift off to come to a stop it alone
And I was coming up short a lot by a couple car lengths
I was getting used to it, but I noticed that if I tap the gas very lightly like oh, I need to move forward eight more feet
It would release the brake almost entirely and then just start coasting
And it wouldn't it didn't know that I was just trying to like move up a little like some other cars have
So then I would actually have to get on to the brake
Oh, so the region one pedal drive sort of stopped at creep speeds
It like cancels itself at creep speed
So there's a toggle on the car to turn creep on or off. Did you toggle it off?
I didn't fuck with that
But I know that when I've driven Mach-E and when I driven your tycon like
It either timing the one pedals easier or when it knows I'm decelerating like it feels like you're coming to a stop
The car seems to know it and if you give it a tiny like 1% of gas to just get
It'll just extend the mock it extends that the mock that one braking or the one pedal braking
So that was that just need a little bit of calibration. Yeah, I wonder if you toggle off that the creep
That was a different. Yeah different thing, but um, I thought dynamically it was alright
Sure, I thought the rides pretty ride was decent. This is the suspension and the brakes were decent
I thought the handling was decent. It drove predictably. I like the small turning circle
But the the driving position with that steering wheel is really weird the eight-ass not turning off was really weird
And I thought the I don't like this Android-based tablet thing they use very much
I found it pretty easy to use like it it nested carplay in
The Android show pretty well. I did do that. Yeah, it did do that. I agree, but I think the I
Was surprised at I don't know. Maybe it was just really hot when we got in the car and I was like panicking
I didn't I found the climate control less intuitive than I wanted it to be. Yeah, the when it's on auto
It's just blasting and then when you switch you have to go and that's another thing with the whole like the tablet thing
You have to go there are two different climate menus the climate menu always sits at the bottom
Yeah, and I went okay. I want to turn the fan down. So I brought that menu up
There's no option for that right that out that menu only has like sink that the sides
Temperature, yeah, that's it see seats and steering wheel
You have to like go into the Android menu
Climate and that's where you can decide to put it into manual mode or eco mode
So that was where I was trying to figure it out the car had been sitting outside my house on the really hot day
It was like a thousand degrees in there. I'm trying to drive somewhere and
I'm like hitting that thing then where that where I think the climate thing is and it's like not bringing up the like max
AC or and and I set the temperature down to like 60 or whatever the lowest is and it's just going oh
Really just just I'm like what the fuck and it was it took me a long time to figure out
Oh, there's a second climate menu in here that I have to mess with so that once you learn that like okay
But like that's a let's take a little clunky
There's a little clunky
I wish you could just like pull up the way you can in a lucid and it would bring up the whole climate menu
It also has like the eight ass yawn patrol
Where so I I got in the car today
I'd been in the car for three minutes and I yawned and it goes bling and says do you need to take a break?
Yeah, it's like the car's been operating for three minutes. Yeah all day
Oh, it's just because it's detecting where your eyes are and what your mouth is doing. It's shockingly fast for a little thing
You know 60s three and a half seconds. Yeah, I we're driving the M2 CS at the same time
And I swear to God up to about 80 the Volvo beats the BMW
Especially when you consider like traction and things like that like there's almost no way
Zero to 80 that BMW beats this little Volvo like it's not fucking happening
but
Um
We're talking about the air conditioning windows. Oh, yeah, but it's it's just
There's some things about it. They're weird that it kind of bug me
The position of the steering wheel to me. Maybe it fits someone else's body, but it doesn't fit mine
I was kind of bummed like the the center console, you know, you can hide the cup holders and they pop out
All right fine when you hide them
It's just this giant open space like it's like the Cybertruck. Yeah reach all the way to the floor. Yeah, and then it has this
Shelf angled shelf that can hold your phone. I guess what's the wireless charger, but it's like iPad sized dude
You know in general I've now found the the M2 CS, which I think we'll talk about really next show
this car a
Couple other cars. I've driven recently have really devoted an awful lot of real estate space to wireless phone chargers
The don't charge my fucking phone very well, they don't work
They're just they make my phone really hot and like best case scenario if I'm like
Using Google Maps and playing a podcast best case scenario level. Yeah, it keeps it level
Yeah, yeah, you're gambling and going to work and you're just breaking it every day. Yeah
Whereas what I'm plugging in my phone to a USB see
It's actively putting juice into the phone totally keeps it well
We'll get it from 20 to yeah in a reasonable amount of time and this is an ongoing problem
We've had wireless charging out now for I don't know six years
Yeah, and that was a problem in the beginning is if your phone moved it all it would it would disengage it that still happens
Very few companies went with some sort of holder that kept it in place and and then even so
Other than what we say Porsche
No one has a cooler for the phone so it can only charge at a certain rate, which is pretty low
It feels like a gimmick that they sell people and the people that buy the cars for the first time with wireless charging have never
Experienced the hell of it and then they go. Oh cool
And then they try it but they can't return the lease and they go ah fuck it stinks terrible
Yeah, it stinks in fairness to Volvo. There is a thing that holds the phone in place. So if it's once it's charging
It's not like flopping around
in the BMW M2
It was flopping around. It's just it's it sits there and you hit a bump and all of a sudden you're not charging anymore like yeah
That's it's mad annoying dude. So most of the things
about the BMW M2 that I did not like our
our
Manufacturer-wide, you know software type
Issues, you know what I mean like like that not not necessarily dynamic issues although next week when we talk about that car
We'll talk about a few of those there. There's cars not perfect dynamically. There are some notes
But the Volvo yeah, I thought it's pretty fun
It's nice to have a Model 3 option that I think is pretty good. It's just got cancelled because of EV incentives
So yeah, I mean you may be able to get one on the cheap maybe and if that's the case like you know have at it
Because the range is good the power is great
It's if it fits your body, then I like that it's a
Luxurious feeling car in a small free damn adjustable. Yeah, sorry to cut you off. No, no
I didn't learn the lumbar adjustments are hidden. Yeah, you got to tap the button. Yeah, I didn't it took me two days
I was like, why is there no lumbar?
I think I only know that because of the Volvo V90 I drove over Thanksgiving same thing like that square holds all the keys
So if you tap it, you know, it's a multits
What is it like a 12 function 12 functions hidden within one button? Yeah, so you got to know how to operate that device
It took me a minute to be like why why is my lumbar like not right on this and that's why
But but thank you to Volvo for letting us letting us have a go
Maybe next time don't kill the model before our test and we will do more covering it
I mean, I think they didn't want to but forces larger than them, right now the
Dynamics and light-weighting study
Porsche 964
Reimagined by singer. I think I've pronounced that
Porsche 964
Reimagined by singer as part of the dynamics and light-weighting study
Maybe I feel like your lawsuit proof now. I think I'm pretty lawsuit proof
Most people would just know the letters DLS and know what I'm talking about
Finally got to have a go. It was a short go. It's not a real
I wasn't not it was you know, I'm pretty in tune with cars
I don't I don't need a super long go to know what amazing is
So Maz from Singer I saw him at Malibu
I was with Christian hand in the Manx and Maz was like, oh, I really want to have a go in the Manx
And I was like, you may have a go and he tosses me the key and I was like, oh nice light key
He's like, yeah, you think that's like where do you feel the car? And I was like, oh, oh, okay
so the Christian fucking get in let's go and
Man I understand I I understand I
would I would I
Would really think about compromising my morals for one of these fucking things for sure
You know that that meme that's like money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a jet ski
You don't see unhappy people in a jet ski. It's that it's that exact thing and it's like
Yeah, so you just build up a business get like 10,000 employees and then just like fire half of them pocket the money
And then you have one of these like, okay, cool can do that
Well, so the last singer we drove was the turbo right right so turbo is me comparison
The ultimate daily right if you're super fucking rich that turbo
Isn't a weekend car from you. You drive that all the time, right? Like that's
That's like the best thing about all this but in a package with like
Fabulously light clutch and could just could just every yeah, it's the perfect blend of old car and new car flavor
Yeah, it's like and it's like if you had
The the lightness of inputs of a brand new Cayman
But in this old looking car that has like 500 horsepower and rips like that's kind of what that you know
But modern turbo throttle response. Yeah, so good
This is like the weekend version of that where like what you know with this motor this four cam motor
That's like co-develop with Williams when you like blip. Yes, it revs to nine
But like when you just do the blip it's like that
You know what I mean like the like some motors when you rev them
It's not how they open. It's how they close. You know what I mean
You know I'm like well, there's a flywheel aspect to that. There's yeah, but they the throttle body
Lower than the accelerator right right most most motors even high performance ones if you go, they'll come down a little slower this
Comes down at even faster than it goes up. It's a free. It's like a free-wheeling engine almost
So it's you know, if you've ever heard like a fucking leader bike like an s1000 or whatever
like
Those that those really fast like like fast fast revs like
Think f1 car or think think that yes, it's like that and so
You either have to shift really quick or you have to like feather the throttle a little bit in between gears because the engine
Has feels good as like no weight of its own
But the inputs, you know just like that turbo or like perfect shifter feel just perfect just across the board every input
It's perfect the ride quality is like exceptional because it's like so light
It doesn't need to run a ton of spring. It has sheer own brakes
It weighs like just over half of what a sheer-owned weighs and has sheer-owned brakes
Is that just because the brakes that are on the sure-own are they AP racing are they just so good?
Oh, they're giant carb. They're the biggest carbon ceramics that you could fit in this car
I
Think there is a bigger one, but you need to run like 22 inch wheel. I'm just wondering and obviously the engineers that singer
Know what they're doing like why does it have the brakes of a 4,000 pound car?
I think because they're the best that you can buy you never have too much break. Yeah, I mean and it has it has incredibly advanced
Calibration, I mean the whole thing is like, you know, it's a tube like a proved car
manual steering or
It's not it's not manual. I don't I
Couldn't tell you what type of pump it is, but it is not a manual steering rack. The effort is too easy
My guess is it would be an a motorsport based one like they were using in the 993
race cars
Something similar to that
Which is also what Gunther uses on the turbos
Excuse me, but um
You just you just every input and like every
Vibration that you feel is a good one and every bad vibration that you don't want to feel isn't there
You know like and it's you can see all this raw carbon
But it doesn't feel like those
Hypercars that feel hollow because they're made of raw carbon where you hear all the gravel and stuff like it's somehow both
expertly insulated and
incredibly light and like
Dude, I wound out third gear to nine. I don't know how fucking fast I was going
But it was like really fast and then just like stood on the brake pedal and it stopped like a like a cone exit
Yeah, just yeah, just like yeah, this is all right and
Everything about it is exactly what somebody
That has been that knows what they're doing and was given an unlimited budget would do like it's like
And then just it's the most perfect car I've driven the turbo experience
Which this is probably like that if there's a a clarity to the sounds and experiences
It's like a perfect stereo. You know like you don't hear any little buzzes
You need you know if Christians ear was in front of the greatest stereo ever
Like that's what driving these is like both in terms of the sound but also the sensations
Yeah, we know what you want to feel and what you don't want to feel in here
And as it checks the correct box on every one of those items
Which is really really wild really wild
I mean you expect it. This is like you'd hope it's like a three million dollar car
Like if it's not all of that you'd go
You know, but it like
It has that same steering wheel that we love the perfect steering wheel from the turbo
It's I think it's a little more carbon-y in this one, but it's effectively the same shape
It has the same the same shifter from the turbo because they've used the they did this first
And they just and then they go we're using the DLS gearbox in the turbo now
So like this it's that and it has
What's really nice is be you know
Usually if like like 9-eleven ST or the or even the GT3 touring if you have that very light clutch
The car becomes like stallable
this
Had the very light clutch with the very revvy engine, but still not
Stallable like low-speed maneuverability
It wasn't like
Bucky and jerky you could kind of like ride the clutch a little bit and just smoothly moving and out of a parking space
Really nice. I wonder what they did to make that so perfect. They spent so much fucking time. Yeah, dude
They spent so much time on all those Calvi calibrations and stuff
There's like a I think it's a five-stage traction control system that knob right behind the shifter
There's all these different, you know, there's different engine maps and different like ABS maps
They really they they did a lot of like
Some stuff that was like really OEM grade and some stuff. That's really motorsport grade
Marino, you know did a ton of work test driving in and this was a then and Maz was very like
He was like this one's like this was our prototype. It's like not like finished right like it's not great
I'm like dude stop telling people that because like you obviously know what to look for but like
Whatever you think I'm seeing yeah motherfucker like I'm not seeing if this is the crappy one if the yeah
You'll take it off their hands
At a heavily discounted rate. Yeah, so it do do this thing was fast and
and just
All the fizz so so choice so fucking choice. I yeah
You want to you want to sell missiles to the wrong people to get one of these?
You know, you want to be like the fucking Paul brothers go to Puerto Rico not pay taxes talk mad shit
If there's a singer at the other end like I kind of get it at least
You know, there are cars that cost around this much money that are less perfect. I think cars like this
And I think you know come on excited is is similar to a degree like
They set the bar so that the other people that are trying to come up and sell in their market should do their best to meet it
Yeah, you know because this is what's available. Well, and what I really like about this is
when you
Whether you're driving it whether you're riding in it like
with a hypercar
It's what is the top speed what is the this what is the that what are the numbers?
Is it faster you?
Who the fuck cares what the zero to sixty of this is?
What's the top speed fuck if I know I don't know something they don't yeah, that's true
They don't want to talk about it. What's the difference? What's the difference it revs to nine?
And it makes you feel like you are a god
When you're driving it. That's what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. I don't give a fuck what the zero to sixty time is
Probably not even that good. I wonder you know we get asked this question a lot. Will hypercars supercars start to
slow down
in the interest of driving dynamics and stuff like that and
It would take more than one company
but if if if all of the top-end companies
Started focusing on
Engagement and making the engines at 600 horsepower not 1200 1400 whatever like I think that does trickle down from the top because
When we were young it was all about getting faster more power faster more power. Well now we're there and we realize
It's not everything so maybe this will come because when we were young faster and more power
You're still shifting. You're still there's not a lot of computers. So
We didn't know at the time
That faster and more power would lead to technologies that took away from some of the fizz
I think that's partly true. I think it was also harder to make power especially like in the 80s and 90s
Oh, yeah, and now it's so easy once it wants the things are easy to get people don't care about it as much right right
So yeah
They this that seems sick the NA cars seem like the turbo ones are really fun
But I just like the response of NA the sound of it all of that. Yeah, I mean this is it's got cylinder heads
It's fucking made by a formula one. I mean that's the product
You know the engine is like it's that worth more than my entire net worth almost. Yeah, the engine's like 500 grand in these fucking
It's it's it's truly truly an exceptional piece of machinery and it's a shame that like
All of them aren't driven. This one's got 6,800 miles on it
It's a shame that they're not all all driven like that
But I you know, it's it's it's it's incredibly profitable to not drive one
But I would hope that if you had enough money to buy one that you would go
Like now that I've driven it like I go. Okay. Look, you know, you you gotta you gotta be fucking
Seriously loaded to have because to earn three million dollars
Legitimately you need to have to spend three million legitimately in this car. You need to have earned seven, right?
Like that's you need, you know
Legally, if you're if you're paying and some some rich people out there going lol. No, I don't but that not was standing like
That's a fucking ton of money to put into a car, but like man
You know, I wonder if people game over if you can afford this
It's probably a lot of people that buy these cars and they have 10 to 20 other cars
And they've got all the cool hypercar stuff
It would be it would be nice if these racked up more miles than the other stuff because this is focused on driver enjoyment
Yeah, I meant and you know would kind of pull them away from the big power figure
I mean, there's there are a few cars that I've driven most of which are
Porsches mainly because they're the last really
manual transmission cars around, you know, but it's like it's the
ST where you go and stuff like this stuff like that where you just go man, I could just stop right here and I
Maybe that's not true. Maybe you get there and it does that but I can I can't I can't imagine
Not being satisfied with something like that over a long period of time in terms of driving it
And like over a long how are fucking how are miles not worth the money in something like that that I don't get
I think they're totally worth I mean these are probably just going up in value. I'm sure because the waiting list
There's so huge view of these. Yeah Vin Anatra had a funny thing
He put out the other day like he wants to start shaming
People rich people who don't drive their cars and just be like, oh man
What could you not afford to put more miles on it? It's a great trick. That's pretty yeah, it's pretty good
I think it's not a ford to put more miles
You know someone's like because some people are proud of their low mileage whatever you're like
Oh, was it is it too expensive to drive this amazing, you know 458 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah
I wonder how you could spin that into a good t-shirt
There's probably a way to succinctly make that into a good t-shirt, but I like the idea as a concept
If you if it was like the Daniel Mack, but the opposite who's Dean the Mac
The what do you do for a living guy? Oh, right?
Right if it was the opposite of that like tell me about your car
How many miles are on it? Could you not afford to put more that that's actually a pretty funny gag
I like you just start with what do you do for a living?
They're like, oh, I don't like does it not make you enough money to drive this very often
It's like if someone has 20 50 cars like you know, they can't drive they can't put that many miles on something
But there's people out there that have
You know 15 cars. Yeah, they just let them sit. I mean look if you yeah, there's people that pride themselves on that
Yeah, there was that guy stupid. There was that guy that you know that had a
lot of vipers like a lot like like 20 vipers and
You know all but you know to word delivery miles and like yeah, he's he sold a few of them at a profit, but like
Was it it's like it's a lot of space and yeah tied up resources underperform the index. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, like you could have if you know, you could have all you could have doubled your money and you know
Seven years or whatever just fun some basic ass shit. Mm-hmm anyway
But this like this was this to me is a real example of
like
a
Fuck sometimes these really really expensive things are like super impressive and you got you want to fucking be like
There's no way that's worth it and you go look it after a certain point. It does get incremental
You know what I mean to go from and again, I realize the numbers are insane
But to go from one million in the turbo that we drove
To three million in this is it three times better?
No, absolutely not it's it's it's maybe 20% 25% right. It's like it's like it's just fucking it's just cranked up
But like when you get to that high level
Then getting to the even higher level within that is like very very difficult
Like the amount like that this car to me is the most quote everything is important car that I've driven from that company
Wow, that's like their sort of motto, but like
This is the one this is the first one we're even after like 10 minutes
I was like nothing about this could be better. This is just this is exactly the thing
So like I you know I get it I guess
They they probably perfection is expensive. It's fucking really expensive. Yeah, it's so expensive to make something the the best
I should say mechanical things that are perfect tend to be expensive. Yeah a
Lot of things that are natural things that are perfect or expensive
An ocean view a fucking diamond. I mean, you know, you name it natural things can be expensive
It's true. You can also just go, you know, it depends on your this is gonna get too subjective
But the the perfect expensive unique car is going to be expensive
Unfortunately, and this is just all the things turned up to 11 and the things you don't want turned down to zero
And all that shit that you didn't even know
You didn't want to be better
You know like
Like the like the crank the crank windows like it's this thing has crank windows
But the crank window mechanism is this beautifully like fucking made thing that it's
More satisfying to roll the window down
Using this thing than it would be if it had I'm sorry
I don't have a better picture of the crank window
But it's it's somehow better
To do it that way that it is to do it the other way because you get to use this beautifully made
You know machine. This is the turbo probably has power windows. I think but but it's just that it's that kind of shit
Let's see. Is there doesn't know if there's a DLS interior. Oh, that's the DLS. You're driving. Oh, is this the one?
Yeah, that's it mass products. That's Chris Harris driving at the ice race. Oh shit. Yeah, it was that the same car
They drove that they had the turbo but they also had masses car. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, it it's
Not going to be surprising to many people to hear that this car is essentially the second coming of Jesus Christ, but
Sometimes shit is dude. It's like that's
That an engine that like is in a car
But feels more like a motorcycle engine is like a pretty wild thing
Yeah, you know, especially when like it's it's powerful enough to actually make because with the four cam head
It can have a torque cam profile in the lower half of the it's like v-tech
You know what I mean? So so like there's you drive around in this thing
That's like a racing engine, but but below
5,000 it does have some power you can drive around. It's not like dead so you can you can drive around and like
You know kind of rip the thing up to about four or five thousand rpm
Like you would do when you're just sort of driving normally and it's not like a dog or it doesn't like spotter or anything like that
And then you get into it and the thing comes on cam and it's holy fucking shit from five to nine
You better hang on to your balls, man. That thing is you're you're going
By the time it goes past eight you have to be ready on the brakes like you're
You're going faster than even you think you are is upshifting is timing the upshift hard because of how quickly the revs drop
if you if you're driving real fast and
Shifting it not like not like Fox body power shifting but like shifting it fast on the way up
You can match the revs appropriately, but with a with a with a proper lift if you're just
Just cruising around you do not you don't take your accelerator foot all the way off
You have to like catch the revs a little bit to shift slower
Otherwise it won't match quite right, but that's the same as the ST
ST was exactly the same as that. Yeah, or if you did a manual a manual swapped Ferrari 430
it would be just like that too or
What do you call it five nine nine, but like?
Yeah, that's a treat
Ten minutes was not enough, but it was also enough to go. That's it. That's the shit. How many how many t-shirts would we have to sell?
We'd have to like inherit, you know the money we'd have to have different parents even me
You know, I got I already I already won that lottery, but I'd have to win a bigger one somehow and
Or we'd have to like oppress a people
We'd have to like do crimes. We'd have to run a scam of some kind
Speaking of scams. No
No, absolutely not our Porsche giveaway will probably not get us a deal. It won't yeah, no
But it's right you got to drive it
I mean what a magical thing because it took what 20 years of this job to get to drive
The singer turbo I think yeah not and obviously didn't exist
But like it took that long to get a press car and so now mm-hmm jumping in and they've got more models come out
So this is good. You're in the door. Yeah, we know their crossover comes out
They have a they have an electric crossover coming out next. No, no, they've got like the no for China
They've got the you haven't seen it the singer the singer XR for be Yang Wang
Is it made by Volvo which is really made by it's outsourced to Geely. No, yeah
They also make a hell of a watch. Well, no, they've got a cabrio coming out
The convertible is really interesting. Did you see this? So they had the rear?
Structure essentially the firewall and the structure of the car
Behind the seats
Re-engineered with like a carbon
Insert that makes the structure of the convertible as rigid as the structure of the coop. Well, yeah, and they worked with
Shit, I forget who it was
They might they might have worked with the Lara or they worked with some
Some
It might have all I don't think it was Williams again. I think it was a different red bull
I think it was Red Bull they worked with Red Bull. I believe to
Make this carbon thing that reinforces
The drops into the open. Yeah, basically they removed the firewall and they removed the floor of the car
the floor pan of the car and they replace it with this carbon cell that
That creates a much more rigid structure. I think if you scroll down it says it shows the thing
It shows the piece
Somewhere
No, maybe not
And it looks pretty rad though, doesn't it say a good time? Yeah, I'm sure it's fun
But I'm just saying there look they got five models available Matt. Yeah
Classic turbo deal. Yeah, so, um, you know, thanks Maz. Love you
We had good things to say about the Manx as well
He said they'll the low-speed drivability and the throttle engagement was really good
Which for a weird engine is very hard to do
Shall we go to the people sure should over at patreon and patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where you help
Your favorite podcasters keep their show floating
It's also where you ask us questions for the live show and then subsequently watch the live show
It's where you get the show early
It's where you can get the show without ads where you can get extra show and it's where you can get access to
exclusive
Collabs and things that we're doing over here. Zack and I had a good creative meeting yesterday for our next collab
It's not a watch. I think it could be really fucking cool. It's really cool
I think it's fun and different and it's something I haven't really seen before
so I'm excited to do it and
We should have more on that one pretty soon, but it's it's that's gonna be really fun
It's gonna be available exclusively to patrons
Can you zooms in please? I also interestingly zack went to went to get have my my eye exam
I went to have my eye exam because I thought maybe my reading glasses were getting less effective
and they said
Uh, my my right eye has changed by
Uh, point. I think 0.5
percent
And my left eye is the same as it was two years ago. So it seems good
I mean, it hasn't changed that much basically what they said is it's probably not worth me trying to get new glasses right now
Should probably wait another year and see if it changes a little more. All right, otherwise. I'm spending 500 bucks for uh
That's basically the equivalent of
All of the clothes I bought when I was a smaller xxl
That I've worn twice and I'm now an xl which feels really good
But now all these brand new fucking clothes are too big for me
And so it's real like I you know, I'm proud I feel good at my club
It's nice to be able to buy xl clothes really opens a lot of doors, but
But as close you bought they can't work. Yeah, I know it's not that I buy fancy stuff
But I buy quality stuff. So like, you know, I bought I bought like some nice sweaters and shit that like are now
I wore them once they're too big. I'm like, damn this fucking sweater was like 200 bucks, dude. I'm like, fuck
So I don't know what to do. I was listening to stave show and he said he's like somewhere in New York
There's a storage unit with plastic bins full of his old sweatsuits that go from 5x
To like whatever he is now and he's like, I don't have to do it that well
I was talking to my therapist this morning about this
Is it mentally healthy to get rid of all that stuff barring the cost or
Do I store it in case we see it again?
That's tough because if you get rid of it, you can go. All right, I'll never it's like throwing away
I don't know the life vest or whatever when you get to the deserted island, right? I'm staying here. That's when I was fatter, I mean
I kept
My skinnier stuff
In case I saw it again, right and I did yeah, but now that stuff is too fatter
Too too gone. So the question is I don't I don't I think it's bad omen to keep the fatter stuff
Yeah, a good motivation to keep the skinnier stuff if you go the other way
That's what you want because you want to be on the skinny stuff
You don't want but if you have this backstop, I don't want to backstop right that stuff, but there's a couple things that are like
Sort of expensive like sweaters and jackets where I'm like, ooh
I'd hate to have to buy
Big expensive sweaters and jackets again when I have brand new ones here
Can you make them like winter relaxing clothes?
Like you wear the jacket with a sweater under it because it's super cold out and you could but here's the thing
If you were once fat, you never again want to layer up in a way that makes you look fat. Okay
It's real. This is a bit of fat fucking psychology. Let me share with you. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah
You don't want to bulk on your clothes to fit. Hannah was like Hannah was like and she means she means well
She doesn't know she's been petite her whole life. She doesn't get this. She was like
No, she's like just you just wear it oversized. I go oversized. Are you fucking crazy?
Oversight, you know how hard I've worked to not be wearing something oversized. I'm not just gonna continue with you
But what if that fashion like hip-hop, you know, 90s super oversized comes back in
If bell big devote comes back into fashion
That's what that's what he's my tailor said yesterday with the suits my dad
My dad gave me my dad has so many dope blazers. He ran Ralph Lauren
My dad has all the dope blazers in the fucking world
They doesn't wear anymore because he's retired
I'm now thin enough to wear his blazers. I'm like so stoked about this and I'm stealing his blazers left and right
he don't even know
except
He in his 40s
He's shrunk a little bit because he's old now, but he in his 40s
He was six five and I'm six two
So his blazers are a little long for me, but that you can't cut them
That's a problem is you can't shorten a custom blazer. It's just I can't really be done
And so I have all these blazers that have fit me like dope except they're a little too long
My tailor's like just keep them for five years. The fashion will come to you. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah
all right
Uh
AMG hammer time koon touch this says
Uh, I listened to your review of the lotus carlton from a couple weeks ago
And it got me thinking about what a powerhouse lotus engineering was in the 80s and 90s
Is that ironic? They haven't put their own engine in a car in over 20 years
Uh, I mean is it our engines are hard and I think lotus
Understood that their engines
Were not that good
And other people's engines might be better and they can focus on the things that they do well
I think it's also really expensive to build engines. I think you know to actually like
I don't know forge or cast your blocks and stuff like that. It's probably a really
Uh intense and expensive endeavor and lotus has never been that flush with money
Right. Uh, the hood left unlatched thoughts on j s s x as an alternative to major airlines. That's jet sweet x
I've flown it once
For certain legs pricing is only slightly more expensive than a major airline. You can bring a dog on it
We just like you bring a dog smaller terminals. You fly out of the private side
I don't hate it. I would fly it more
But I dude I am addicted to my delta status. I'm so addicted to it
I flying on american home from the bvi with no status
Bro, I can't live like this
There's no way it was also you know stat like the plane seemed old no screens. Yeah, no, so like cross continental flight
So I I would use jet sweet x a lot more if I wasn't so ingrained in the delta
Sphere
I need my miles. I then use my miles. I then I get all these upgrades for my status
I I then can use so so because of my because I fly so much for work
I get diamond status, which gets me upgrades
So like I can use an upgrade and effectively buy a coach ticket and get a first class ticket
Having said that if I couldn't do that I would
Shop jet sweet x for every flight if I did not have loyalty. It's dope
Seems nice. Yeah, it is dope. Yeah, it's prices
Very a lot like fly I looked up flying across the country is much more expensive than
Regular airline but on a short trip. Yeah, you can be pretty good and convenient our good friend and uh our good friend
My client and our and patron tony a
Loves jet sweet x he flies with his dog on jet sweet x all the time in cabin dog
Dog hangs on that's the thing is like they're just there with you. Yeah, dude my dream
I love it if I'm fucking
If I'm hanging out in let's just say delta comfort
Exit row, maybe someone sits down next to me the dog. Do you mind? I might yes
Let's fucking in the dog hang out with me. Can I pet the dog? Yes. There you go. You just made my flight better
Thank you. Please bring I know people hate dogs on flights, but not me. I like a dog
I feel like everyone smiles when the dog gets on the flight as long as it's a well-behaved dog
Gavin Sullivan says Maserati Gran Turismo versus Aston Martin v8 vantage thoughts
Two ways to play this one new cars and cars that are like
2013
Era cars. Yeah, very true. So let's start with 2013 era cars. My answer is clear Aston Martin
I agree 100 all day every day
Get a stick get an annual looks better better interior. I think at the time. Yep. Yeah, yeah
Definitely back in the day now today today
Brand new I'm actually driving the Vantage s this week, but we'll leave that one out of it
Let's say current gen Gran Turismo versus current gen vantage still going vant to also be it. Yeah
No, no, what I think the better question is no even then I was gonna say two years ago
Actually, yeah four years ago before the Vantage before the Aston updates to the interior
Sure, then it's a tighter race because the
I think the exterior of the Aston was not as pretty the interior was aging real bad
Maserati also wasn't that fresh, but that was closer
You know as
The grant as a new Gran Turismo given a sufficient cash on the hood
It's a two plus two. It's a little more relaxed and it's actually a very nice road. Definitely
It's also all-wheel drive. Yep, which depending on your climate may make a difference
It's really a cheap Porsche turbo if there's cash on the hood, which there should be
It's a cheap
No
No, it's not as good Bentley GT. Oh, okay. Yeah to cheap Bentley GT if there's cash on the hood. Yeah
Yeah, the Vantage is sport more sporting. Yeah
Dungeons and Dotsons
Is it possible these high gas prices might boost EV sales?
It is it is possible. We talked about this last show Americans seem to have kind of a
short
Attention span when it comes to it's literally come it seems to come down to
How are the gas prices at the very moment? I need a new car. Yeah, or the very moment. I'm buying gas, right
Um, uh, was it Jared Rosenholz? I send you the the website from Carbuzz. Yep
Shout out to him sent me an article after we talked about it for basically if gas went to four dollars a gallon nationally
versus what it was today
The average f 150 hybrid excuse me the average f 150 driver
That has a five liter v8 a new f 150
Would spend a thousand dollars a year more in gas than they're spending right now
Whereas if you have a Camry hybrid you would spend something like
$370 a year more than you were spending right now if gas went from
Where it is today nationally to four dollars a gallon
All right
I want to go to the table. There's the table, right?
And then here they had the second table which showed here we go. Yeah yearly fuel. So today
national average is
246 but last week it was
Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry
Uh, sorry today it would cost you
uh with today's fuel prices
The average driver
It would cost them 2468 dollars to fill up an f 150 for a year
Last week it would have only cost 2127 dollars. So just from last week to today
It'll cost you
$340 more this year to fill up your f 150
The difference in a Camry
Versus today versus last week is a thousand dollars 90 today
And 878 last week. So it'll cost you 211 dollars more this year to fill up your Camry hybrid
Right, then it then it just this week
Costs you more this week from last week
If it then goes to a four dollar national average
The Camry driver will spend 374 dollars more than today per year
Versus and the the f 150 driver will spend
1078 dollars. So
If gas goes to five dollars a gallon, it'll cost
$1464 to fill up your Camry for a year or $3,500 to fill up your f 150 for a year
Yeah, but you know back to the question and your point. I think
Like it's only been it's been like two weeks
So people might be a few people might be thinking about buying an EV and going oh, should I should have done that?
But for people to make a snap decision sell their car buy another car like it's a big effort
They're probably hoping as we all are for many reasons like the conflict ends and prices go back to right now
If this is seven months in and you know tens of thousands or thousands of troops are there and it's like
Oh, this is going to be an eight year situation
Then people might start thinking about switching to a hybrid or EV
But even then they're going to have to do the math on
How much more is this EV going to cost versus the car I have going to get a used one
Actually, David here was telling me that there was a poll star two on bring a trailer that went for like 12 grand
Yeah, that's an amazing buy. It is so in that case sure but buying a new car. It might be too expensive
So what would be very ironic to me would be if the trump administration spent a year
Assaulting the idea of EVs
Ensuring the tax credit goes away
Finding this loophole so that the public chargers aren't built
Only to enter us into an unforced war
Where gas gets so high that people are incentivized to buy EVs that would be
The most trumpian loop of bullshit, you know what I mean of the week
Yeah, yeah
fuck
I don't know but I
Love having an electric car right now boy fucking do I
Like walking to work
Yeah, well that too, right
Doug's the dog's the narrow that's good
When it comes to finding parts for older cars the coontosh for example
Are you exclusively looking for new old stock?
What if you can't find the parts you need our manufacturers required by law to produce parts for a certain period of time after the model is discontinued
I'll take the last part first Doug
Yes, they are and oftentimes they stop as soon as they're legally required true
I think outie makes parts for 10 years
After the cars stopped being made other cars as well
So I have had the privilege of not having to personally look for parts for the coontosh
um
Donnie did that
and now uh now that
I'm not working with Donnie anymore Damien is doing that and Damien's people are doing that
So fortunately, I don't have to do that
There are a pretty good
number of resources for both new old stock and just new
Parts for old Italian cars. I think they're expensive, but they exist
Now the hard one is Hannah's Nissan pow
that motherfucker because it's rare
it's old
And it's also not valuable enough that it's worth like
An industry popping up to service its needs, you know like
Like at a certain point Pirelli was forced to start making tires again, you know people bitched
And Pirelli had to start making tires for coontoshes and Diablos and LM double O2s
Which is great means now that we can drive our cars for a long time like we couldn't are we if we wanted to it was shady
um
But with a pow with with a pow like man, there's parts where like
You don't find that shit like it's because it doesn't exist anymore
Or you have to have something made or adapted. Um
you know so
Real quick Hemmings and shout out mic musto they did an article there actually is no law that exists that says in the united states
That says companies have to keep making parts. Oh, no way, but it seems like they I mean they do and I think agreement
Yeah, and this is also why you know
You type in a part number and it'll be the same Bosch number or the same whatever number as other cars
From other oems or other models. It's like
Car companies don't want to re-engineer or they don't want to have their suppliers re-engineer a solenoid or relay or window part
Every new car right like that's cost prohibitive for everybody. So they can keep it going
So it might seem like they're continuing to make parts for your car
Your model of car
But your part is probably in some other cars probably in some other cars. So that that's good
You know if it's more specific like the powell sure that's trouble, you know
Yeah, the powell no the powell is a weird one the powell is how I spent, you know
$1,800 having a genius diagnosed that my fucking blinker switch was fucked up, you know
Uh, what is that the end? No, no, no, no, no
Two cats one car. Oh no moving out of a city apartment finally getting a place that has a garage again
Uh, I want a vintage fun car help me narrow down my choices
I've got 50 grand a land rover defender as a daily and I live in south carolina
Okay, e30 m3
Datsun 280z
r32 skyline gtr
996 turbo 911 sc gen two or three viper
Good run. I there's a lot of value in this in these choices. Yeah a lot of value and you are in south carolina
Boy, are you fortunate south carolina? They don't give a no fox
R32 gtr. They don't give a no fox. Uh, japan is your oyster down in south carolina. You are good to go
So but here's the thing with south carolina not a lot of curves
Not a lot of corners
So you're really looking for a car that's going to be fun when you're cruising in straightaways and sweepers and things like that
I think that gets rid of the e30. That's a slow e30 m3 is gonna be out. It's gonna be out for sure 280z
Those bore me to tears. I can't I can't be interested in one of those
Personally, I can't
996 turbos
Are a good choice good choice for south carolina a 911 sc target. I love it in general
I don't think south carolina is the most interesting place to own that particular car
But I can't hate on it a gen viper
Now we're getting I think a gen gen two or three viper
Is pretty fun for south carolina
It is you get a lot of respect down there in one of them. They look I saw one on the highway today
And I went damn to that thing have presents on the road
You just have to make sure you're short enough to use it meaning that you can see out the windshield
Right, that's important, but make sure it's comfortable for you and
um
I think that's a good value for money in south carolina. Yeah, so
for me
r32 gtr 996 turbo or viper
Personally having driven all of those
If you could get a great 996 turbo for 50, which i'm not sure you can but if you could
That would be great
50 goes a pretty long way in an r32 skyline. Yeah, that gets you a nice car
Similar to a 996 turbo like they do similar jobs. Yeah, I think and furthermore if you're willing to throw 50 at a jdm car
You could get some other shit that's real dope too. True. You could get
A very sick supra that would just happen to be right hand drive
Um, you can get a chaser you get some other really interesting stuff. Yeah, that's true pretty interesting stuff if you're willing to go jdm
but
I'd go between viper and gtr
It really depends on their height and what you want to do with the car like if you want to do big big power stuff
Eventually
You get the gtr, you know put money into it and go do quarter mile or half mile. Shit. I'd rather own a gtr than a viper
Having driven them both pretty extensively
My only hesitation
In south carolina would be who's going to work on my gtr. Yeah, so before you buy a jdm car in america
Wherever the fuck you are. You need to make sure you have a fucking guy. Yep, or gal or whoever
You need a person that can fix it honestly preferably non-binary. I mean honestly
Not a robot if you're identifying as a gender you're not thinking about my car
I need you to be asexual and non-binary and focused on fucking my head gasket
And the dudes like what are your pronouns like you're worried about the wrong thing, sir
I want I want you to focus on the tolerances of these pistons and the crank and all that stuff
Not a euphemism. That's so funny
Uh username reimagined by singer
Uh with some sports cars nowadays being so refined you don't have to work to drive them fast like cars in the 90s and 2000s
What new car would you like to be a little more unrefined?
I mean BMW m cars
BMW m cars are a great a great choice, but I would also like to be able to
I would also like to be able to
Well, so unrefined is a good word because I can place it wherever I would like
I'd like to remove all eight s functions upon restart that would make them more unrefined technically
Um, I think there's I think one of the problems
One of the things I'd remove is a lot of the nvh because there's a lot of cars today that sound good outside the car
And we have to have the speakers talk to us because we can't hear the engine note because people have asked for a quieter car
so
Choose your sports car, but I mean there's plenty of stuff that sounds rad when you roll the window down and we roll it up
You can't hear anything. Mm-hmm
That's an interesting problem, right? It's like you people want their car to be more refined
They also want to hear the engine
They also don't want to hear the negative stuff. So what do you do?
You know, they have to augment with with shit through the speakers or whatever and and it's it's
Usually when you turn that stuff off you realize why it's there in the first place
Well, it's because it's like they're trying to get rid of a lot of road noise too
And that's how that's what a lot of the active noise cancelling is doing in a car
It's getting like there's microphones in some cars in the wheel wells and shit
It's cancelling these frequencies
But one of the byproducts of that is also muting the exhaust note, which is it can be a shame. Yeah
LL Cartier
You have gone to your head you have to take your wife on a date in a Mansory product. What would it be?
The what is the longest car they make I don't
I'm not familiar with their can we pull up their website and see what their product range looks like today?
I think they came up with something
I I think they came up with something recently that wasn't
As heinous as I've seen in the past. Well, that's not good. No, that's not the Rolls Royce
Carbonado
That's a fucking awesome name, but it sounds like a pasta dish. Wait, I'll go back to the songway. That's the lamborghini carbonaro
Carbonado, uh, can I have cheese on the side? It's like a pasta dish
Uh, the Koenigsegg Jesko by Mansory. It doesn't look like they've done anything
That's what I would do. They've done a little too much. Have they? Yeah, because the Jesko looks pretty aggressive
But I think they added all these many many gills here
Yeah, but like I I can't personally tell that Koenigsegg hasn't done that. That's fair like if I if you saw
That that that's it. You would take her on the boat
I would take my wife on a boat in the Pirelli 42 by Mansory, which is a rib boat
Uh semi rigid
And that look it looks like it goes about 60 on the trip. We saw a bravest boat. Yeah, we did
It was like this. It was kind of like this. It's got triple v12 offshore is god. That's terrible. Wow
The equette. Oh god. It's gone. It's all gone wrong. This is better
So the equestria, which is based on a Ferrari 12-cylindry. That's very brutal. Wow. That's so terrible
What are you?
Wait, is that real? Of course it is. That's a g-wagon?
Converted into that dude converted into a four-door convertible, but it somehow looks like a jimny
They've made it look like a jimny. They messed up the proportion somehow. Dude. It looks like a Chinese knockoff of itself
It does
It does they've come full circle. Okay
I'm not gonna say the word because we don't say the word anymore, but the word
The r the r word is how it looks
It's you know what I mean like
Yeah, it's fucking they've droopy dogged it. It's like it. Well, it's called. He's like there's angles here. It makes us
It's just a collision of carbon fiber droopy dog ass
Thailand fucking
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, the whole front looks like it's melting
Oh my god, this is a fun game. All right, so far brutal the Bentley the cotton lg t
Oh, wow is in black most subtle. It's a modicum of taste. Yeah, it's all black. That's why that's perfect
The man story initiate from what I can see in this photo, which is apparently just an exterior silhouette
It's perfect. They took a picture at night. That was good. Oh, no these rolls Royce's are no go. Oh god
What what are they doing? What are they doing to g-waggons?
This is called the pugnator the pugnator pugnator pugnator pugnator
But if I'm if I'm if I'm buying an $800,000 car is the image. I want to think of a pug
Love that dog. We live with one for four years
Not the aesthetic I'm going for with it with the car 800 g's on the Ferrari
Yeah, so listen
All these are bad, but one of them is a boat and so you could you know
I think I'm gonna go with your answer
I would take sarah out in the conic seg because it looks like a spaceship and it is the rest of these are
Just wow. Wow. Yeah, it's truly extraordinary. Wow, truly extraordinary
Impressive. It's really impressive. Yeah. Yeah
Nugatori in Nagoya says I feel like Mitsubishi is circling the drain. Let's give them some love
What are the best Mitsubishi's of all time?
Oh, I mean every Evo
Obviously your Evo range and your Pajero Evo and your your eclipse gsx
You know and its siblings the eagle there was a there was the
For a minute the diamante was some shit, you know back in 93 and diamante was like something
I like the galant when I was younger. I thought it looked nice. I thought it was a pretty good looking car
3000 gt was all right. Yeah, um, but yeah
uh
Rye Pontiac Rye
Says the 25 wrx is doing a zero point
Zero percent apr and the 26 wrx has reduced its price by three or four thousand across the board. How are they valued in your opinion?
I mean the thing about the the wrx is it is a fabulous six tenths car
Yeah, it's such a six tenths car
The problem with that is you can get that same amount of joy from a lot of other cars
So it's no longer unique in that way. Yeah, like
It it it's great when we had a performance car of the year
It was so soft like this formula was dope in o2
In o2
You know 225 250 horsepower all-wheel drive manual light that was sick and rare
It's been the same it's been the same shit
Since then so like it's not that this is a bad car. It's that is a very soft car
Yeah, and if you're trying to buy a car that's like a real sports car
It falls apart at like pretty low levels of stress
Yeah, I think I've had more fun in a civic si which is cheaper because these start at 37 grand
That's crazy. It's so you're getting like what's in a laundra n a laundra n is
Same or less a little bit. So yeah, I went up a little bit like same or less
And just smoking it. Yeah, absolutely destroying it. Um, that starts at 35 cheaper
Yeah
The idea that you would buy a wrx today rather than a laundra n is crazy
That is a wild thing, but like
People go all-wheel drive just if you got good tires front wheel drives gonna be fine. Yeah, that's the rule. Wow
And uh, I think Subaru they asked
Are the is Subaru ever considering the idea of an sti?
I think there's some stories last week that Subaru put some patent docs in for something that looks a lot like a new sti
so I mean
If they're gonna be taken seriously as a performance brand, which I don't know if they care if they are true
I mean, they make money selling
Foresters and outbacks and whatever and and I've you've heard my thoughts on the new outback. They're not great, but
Um, anyway, let's go to broken bmw. Apologist
I'm headed to a car
Wait
Oh, okay
Um, I'm headed to a car related photo shoot. Our professional driver has had to cancel last second
The shoot team knows I've been doing
Uh, high performance driving and racing for a decade and have asked me to fill in as pro driver
I feel a bit of imposter syndrome because obviously the goal of racing is not to power slide around corners on the men
Any advice on how to approach power sliding a car on demand for camera?
Yes
I do have advice. There's a lot
I think there's a lot to this question. There's a lot to this question and this is advice that is worn in blood
Not blood, but one
Very much totaled outie r8 at the anglicy circuit for people listening. This is great
You're pouring a whiskey which is like like I just asked the police officer of 40 years like this story
He's like this night and you know crack it. All right. Listen. Here's the lesson. I learned from chris harris, and I'm gonna tell you
You don't
Learn to slide a corner in a car
I now I assume you're
You're gonna be driving a car that is not your car like if this is if this is your car
and you're
You know familiar with how to slide your car and the only difference is there's a camera there
That's a different question. Make sure the camera is in a very safe place
Make sure it's not in the impact zone meaning on the outside of the corner unless they have a lot like
If everything went really wrong on this corner, your energy is probably going to the outside of it and make sure that camera
Is not in that spot or it's looping to the inside
Just after the apex if you overcook it and lose so so don't be in those two places. Yeah, that's the photographers side
and I will say real quick and I'll let you go like
This photography team
They may not be as experienced as you think they are they may be very experienced great
But you are gonna have to think about safety and if you if they're putting you in a position that you feel is unsafe
You have to be able to tell them that and maybe explain why because they might just go. Oh, we shoot
Flowers and dogs a lot. Why can't I stand here like because if I lose it here
I'm hitting you in the face with the car. So just be comfortable doing that
So in my experience and I say this is not being the best driver in the world
If you're the best driver in the world, if you're liqueen if you're chris harris
You're probably not asking this question in the smoke entire podcast. So I'll assume you're not
right
So here's what chris taught me
After I fucking crashed and here's what I've done ever since and has worked
The way to learn how to slide a car around a corner is not to try to slide a car around a corner
The way to slide a car around a corner is to drive the car clean
With traction control fully disabled
Until you go and pushing yourself faster and faster and faster
And breaking into the corners harder and harder and harder
To load up your front end harder and harder and harder
So that eventually you get to a point where you turn in on that front end and the back steps out naturally
Where you're going to have a problem is if you try to initiate a power slide on power
That's a less controllable slide
Whereas what you really want and any drifting school would teach you this but
Same here is you want to be going quick enough that you got to break really hard
And breaking really hard is going to shift that weight forward
And you lay on that break and you are trail breaking through the turn in
So that as you're turning in that waits on the nose so much that that's when the back end steps out for the slide
And you and by initiating your slide under braking you have a much more controlled slide
That is really what you want to be doing for the camera. So you don't
Just fucking sit at the entrance to the corner
And try and power just because you're just going to spin. It's just going to be a mess
instead
Practice driving it clean go. Okay guys photo team. We need our clean shots first
While you get your clean shots, you're going quicker and quicker and quicker until you find a point the car
Wants to oversteer under braking or you can make it oversteer under braking
And that's the start point for doing your slides
I think
Or don't listen to me because I don't fucking know shit
Tst's new peter built to it's a kenworth. It's a kenworth. Please. I will only buy a kenworth
You should watch ice road truckers too. It's crazy
uh
The oh ps a the right to repair act was introduced in the house. It needs enthusiast communities help
Uh, so is it sign the petition? Is that the thing? What do we want? What do they want people to do?
Do do do do yeah tell your legislator to support it. So just go to the website
Um, we'll put in the show notes, but this comes up every year, unfortunately
And it's something that basically affects anyone who owns a car. So yeah
Um, I don't know the answer to carne azanda's question. Although you have a great username
Prayer of the refugee wagon with montana plates
Uh, what would net the better driving and ownership experience an older but well maintained 9 11 or a newer
Boxster caiman that cost the same as an older 9 11
Lots of things to consider but for the same entry price. What would you choose?
Dude, this is a tough one
because it's
I
Don't personally and maybe this makes me elitist somehow, but I don't I don't work backwards from my budget
I don't go. I have $40,000. That can get me
a
2014 caiman or it can get me a 2006 9 11
Which should I buy?
I have a dream
that one day
My children that don't exist, uh, that that I uh, I have a I have a dream to own a car
That dream could be a long-term dream like the kuntosh
It could be a short-term dream like I drive rick demand silver car and I go
Fuck me. I've got to have this or lee keens car. We go. Oh my god. I've got to have this
But but I have a dream I fall in love with a car
And then I figure out how to pay for you
So this question of what is the better driving owner experience? It's like
The the the quote owner experience is you have a Porsche you have to maintain it at Porsche shops
Or maintain it yourself using Porsche parts
Like it's not that much more expensive to maintain a 9 11 than it is to maintain a boxter
That's the argument against cheap boxters and 9 4 4s and 9 6 8s and whatever the fuck, right?
so like
Do you want a mid-engine car or do you want a 9 11 like you know
Do you do you do you think differently than me on this? No, I always think of the car first. Yeah, I don't go
I have this much money
That I just want to spend on a car. What can I get? It's like what has captured my imagination?
And then can I find a car that costs this much and if I and then if I can't
What uh, what cars are available in my budget range that would give me some of the same flavor
Yeah, the question isn't what would approximate a 9 11 for 40 grand or what would approximate a cayman it's it's
I don't I don't want to dismiss a question that starts with budget and works backwards because so many of our questions
Start with budgets and work backwards and almost everybody out in the real world does have a budget
But I just really want to impress on people that starting with a it's weird to me personally
I have a budget. It might be higher than other people's but I have a budget. I can't just fucking buy whatever
I like you I start with a dream and then figure out a budget so
I I what you know, what do you want? Do you want a newer Porsche mid-engine?
You do you want an older Porsche rear-end? They just feel different like
I don't believe that a 9 11 is inherently better than a cayman. It's not
In many ways. It's worse actually
And obviously I spent my money on a Boxster. I could have bought a 9 11
There's a million 9 11's I could have bought but I bought a Boxster and I love it and it's fucking perfect
so like I don't know it's like what's your dream and
Um, I mean, yes, you can buy a nicer newer more powerful cayman for the same money than you can get 9 11
Sure, but like that may not be the dream. Yeah, the vibe will be different
This power will be different the handling is different. Yeah cost of ownership probably be different
Re-education through working on shit boxes. That's very good
I'm looking into e46 m3 sm g's with the sole intention of manual swapping them
Have either of you driven a swapped one?
And is there anything notable or weird about them that could potentially make it worthwhile to just get the original?
I haven't heard any real issues with manual swapping bmw's
I haven't either if they're done by if they're done the right way with all the right parts
From what I've heard they feel the same. Well, and I don't think so bmw unlike Ferrari like Ferrari only made
A very small number of let's say manual gearbox 5 9 9's
Like parts don't exist. You know Ferrari made a very small number
relatively speaking of manual gearbox 4 30s like the the parts have been made by third parties
Hopefully to factory spec, but like maybe not
The bmw e46
There is no shortage of factory spec parts that are available to do this swap
Right. Yeah, you could any part is available because the company's because bmw knows I need to be able to service my manual
Equipped from the factory e46. So all the parts and all the little knickknacks and all the levers are available
In case one of those fails on my car. Yeah, and it's is it get drag who makes your gearbox
I think so and so the get drag six speed it was used in other things
Other bmw's other other stuff like in its basic form
So things like clutch cables and just like all that shit just like exists for bmw's
So like whereas the you know the limited number of ferrari's and like back when I was investigating that shady ass company
I called grotziano because this company was alleging
To me that they could do
458 swaps and other other manual ferrari swaps and they said that they had gearboxes coming from grotziano
Well, I called fucking grotziano and they had no idea who these people were
So like
Shit is not always above board right, but
I suspect
And I and I mean this is suspect that there are enough parts available to do an effective manual bmw swaps
I think it's a known thing. I would just look on the forms and stuff and make sure there's no weirdness with like the computer
That you know the car came with an automatic does it get does the engine get talked to by that transmission?
And now is it getting confused, but probably not I mean we've driven about smg's dude
I'll tell you that an sm an smg is straight trash so bad
Even even our boy peter's car and what a lovely man was amazing. What a lovely man and what a lovely build
But like you ain't fooling me motherfucker
Now with that
I was like all this money
He wanted to be like the one he had I get it
Bro sm smg swap it garbage
Jacking off the record if you were keeping a watch for life, would you care about the box and papers? No, I would not
No, I have watches that don't have box of papers. I don't give a fuck
It's money box and papers is is money and money out
You're gonna pay less up front
Because the watch doesn't have box and papers and then the guy you sell it to is gonna pay you less because it doesn't have
Box and papers in between that motherfucker's on your wrist
The box and papers if they existed or in some drawer somewhere
Taking up space and if I knew I was gonna keep the watch forever forever forever
Then I wouldn't care about the box and papers because I would only have that if I'm like
Maybe one day I'll sell this and I'll get more money for it
Look if you already have the box and papers you should keep them
There's not a reason not to keep them
But I wouldn't seek out that watch with that stuff
I understand why people want it you buy a car with service records buy a car with no service records
You know what I mean? You buy you buy a car with no service records
It's gonna be 20 cheaper and you might have to do fucking whatever right?
And then you sell the car with service records and it's gonna bring less money because of the same exact reason
It's the same bullshit
um
If you have them great if there's a watch you love that doesn't have them price accordingly
You know make sure it's not fake. You know, but there's fake boxes and fake service records like
You you buy the seller but in my opinion like no if the watch is if the watch is legit
It's a real watch like whatever like no money and money out. Yeah
Avenged lotus seven fold. That's great
What's a normal car that a manufacturer could have made special? That's a very good question
And I think one of your examples is actually the one the Honda fit type R
A fit type r would have been bananas. It would have been so fast
It absolutely would have ripped
I like that a lot. Yeah, I mean people they race those things. They're they're really really fun
The juke r was special right the juke r was absolutely special. So that one I wouldn't include but yeah a fit type r would have been sick. Yeah
um
element off-road nah, that would have been slow and
That would have been like an outback who cares a normal car. I mean
I I gotta give a shout out to ford on this one the maki rally
That's went from a toaster to an unbelievably dynamic machine
That I would put up against the 9 11 Dakar in a rally scenario any fucking. Yeah, or like put up against jr. Corolla. Yeah, sure
Yeah, um, that's a good one. Mm-hmm
I would not call the charger. Hellcat normal. No Pontiac simon phoenix
So by the way, I've I've
If you come to the race if you end up doing the doing the race
I'm
I'm almost locked
On a Durango. Hellcat transport vehicle for us
To get from the airport to the track because the the friday is practice quali day
And you can run street legal vehicles
And we could track test the Durango. Hellcat at rhodo
Which would be really good. I did the I did the jeep track hawk at rhodo lana and it was an unbelievably fun time
Yeah, dude, the drink will be fun. It would rip. Yeah, it would rip. Talk about gas consumption, bro
Four miles per gallon maybe
It would be so bad
But dodge is giving me a charger for this rhodo track thing
The the the desert 600, but they won't let me put it on the track
They say there's a track ready one
Coming, but it's not this one and they don't want me to put it on the track
And I I understand I I do understand and i'm not going to put on the track
I want to drive it on the road trip
But I said
You know like the week after that trip i'm going to road america
Do you have a Durango?
Hellcat in chicago because I have to pick up three people at the airport
Load all of their fucking shit and racing gear out to wisconsin to the track
And then I need something to practice in on friday
And wrote america and he's like we have a Durango. Hellcat for you
The sound of that on the long straight. Oh man, you get to listen to that that tune for a while
Dude, we might you might be passing race cars
It's it is possible because the race cars are on track two. Yeah, but it's a weighty horse power
Yeah, you're fucking dude. You're the our race car is like 280 horsepower
At the end of the straight it would definitely pass it power away be damned
Yeah, plus the
Yeah, it is so silly
Uh, Pontiac simon phoenix
Last one and then we're going to wrap this particular show and we'll save the rest for later
My brother is looking at a tycon. He's convinced he wants an early model turbo or turbo s
I'm trying to convince him to get a newer base model anything that he would be missing going with this plan
Okay
You
Just my advice you don't want a 20 or 21
You want a 22 and up. That's what I have my car has been fine
Like but why do you not want that year the first year had really some issues with
Common bugs battery problems and all all kinds of crazy shit
And a lot of the cars were fixed some of the cars were lemon, but like
So so I I wouldn't get a 20 or 21
I wouldn't buy any of them honestly 22 and up. I think you're probably okay
having said that
All tycons are really fast like even the base model so
If you aren't used to very fast cars a tycon turbo s is like riding a rocket. It's it's it's
Disturbingly fast. It will make you nauseous
People want what they want and they just want the fastest one. I get it. You want to brag or whatever
scare your friends once or twice like I totally get it like
What I wouldn't do is talk someone out of the thing they want
Be by saying they don't need it because that's not how people buy cars
But but I would advise them against buying a 20 or a 21 and I would just say look a four s
2022 is still like insanely fast like just get that and you'll have a lot less issues reliability whatever
You know de-badged if you must right or get him a turbo badge for Christmas because if he's looking at the the bad year turbo
That means that whoever's selling it knows it's from a rough year
They're going to unload it for cheap and if he can so
But if he's looking at like a 23
Turbo and he can afford that versus like a 24 25, you know other one says early model early model to me means
2021 yeah, then just send him the many many forum posts. Yeah, the reliability stories are not great on those and and
22 and up is substantially better. They they they refined a lot of stuff and and
Ours has been ours is just one, but it ours has been good. I haven't heard like crazy horror stories about about them
So that's I'd focus on reliability more more so than you don't need a turbo because nobody wants to hear that shit
You know what I'm saying? I have the number of people I know that have cars
Far beyond the power that they're truly capable of handling is huge. Yeah, that is basically everybody
You know, so
Yeah, right. Yep, right. That's our show. Thank you everybody. We love you all. Thank you to our patrons for supporting us
Throughout the years we we certainly appreciate it and thank you to everybody else for listening. We appreciate you as well
See you next time. Bye
Request an explanation for:
1 cars
1 cars featured
Request an Explanation
Heard something you'd like explained? We'll add it to this episode.
Sign in to request explanations for terms you heard.
Want to learn more?
Browse our glossary for plain-English explanations of automotive terms, jargon, and concepts.
See something that's not quite right? Our annotations are AI-generated and can sometimes miss the mark.
Click the flag icon on any annotation to suggest a correction.
