The Next Miata Might Be a Toyota? EV Tax Credit Killed, End of Cheap Electric Cars?
About this episode
This episode dives into the decline of full-size luxury sedans, highlighting the Lexus LS and Jaguar XJ's fall from grace. The hosts discuss the potential collaboration between Mazda and Toyota for the next Miata, the demise of the Acura ZDX, and the future of electric vehicles following the end of federal EV incentives. They also explore the new Cayenne EV and its innovative features, while sharing personal car stories and market insights, including the value of unique cars like the BMW M Roadster and the implications of automatic versus manual transmissions in enthusiast vehicles.
Land Range Rovers
"... all these buyers are buying now. They're buying Range Rovers and all that. There was none of that."
Ford Fusion
"popular segments, right? The Ford Fusion and the Chevy and Malibu mid-sized sedans. Sad, ..."
Mercedes-Benz Sclass
"And it will leave. There will always be an S-class, but there will not always be the fringe cars. Like the non..."
Toyota Crown
"...e weren't going to redesign. Plus Toyota has the crown. They got the crown."
Subaru BRZ
"...be sad. Are you aware that starting in 2026, the BRZ, the base BRZ is $5,000 more than the base GR86?"
Ford Mustang
"...RZ starting in 2026 is more expensive than a base Mustang? Okay."
Mazda Miata
"... generation, I expected the next generation Mazda Miata will be a true successor to this Mazda Miata."
Toyota Supra
"... address this, is the coupe convertible Now, the Supra is a coupe, and the Z4 is a convertible, so maybe..."
Tesla Model Y
"...ive failure, even though it looks exactly like a Model Y. Although you see a lot of ZDX's near-accurate d..."
Chevrolet Blazer EV
"...e ZDX for people that don't know is based on the Blazer EV. The Blazer EV is also the Honda prologue is als..."
Honda Prologue
"...n the Blazer EV. The Blazer EV is also the Honda prologue is also Blazer EV. So Acura didn't invest that m..."
Porsche Cayenne
"For now. The new Cayenne EV. This is pretty exciting."
Mclaren Speedtail
"...car I could think of that has this is the McLaren Speedtail. So I think that's amazing that what will be a m..."
Porsche Taycan
"...n EV is a perfectly fine thing. And Porsche, the Taycan was excellent, the Makani V is excellent. The ma..."
Lamborghini Kuntosh
"...ion. You want to build stuff like we do with the Kuntosh? We got to make a pod where we can just say what..."
Rivian R1S
"That's a big deal. Rivian R1S, it's not as important to people. So that's wher..."
Porsche Carrera GT
"...now I'm all about value. Whether it's my Porsche Carrera GT or a quirky Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet that m..."
Porsche Carrera
"...d, you know I'm all about value. Whether it's my Porsche Carrera GT or a quirky Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet tha..."
Nissan Murano
"...er it's my Porsche Carrera GT or a quirky Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet that makes you do a double tick. ..."
Chrysler Daytonas
"...e loved this car so much. I'm not not looking at Daytonas. I'm not not looking at Othinos."
Ferrari F40
"... an agreement with a seller, dealer, about on an F40. We agree on a price."
Mercedes-Benz Eclass
"Think about this. When you bought your E-Class wagon, we were hearing all these stories,"
Porsche Cayman
"A cheap hatch. Should I buy a Cayman? I bought a GTI."
Porsche Boxster
"...l ever buy a car of this nature. I think the 718 Boxster has gotten an unfairly bad rap because of the tu..."
Pagani Zonda
"...e the nicer version, you know? I'd rather have a Pagani Zonda than a Honda Accord. Right, that is the nicer ve..."
Honda Accord
"...now? I'd rather have a Pagani Zonda than a Honda Accord. Right, that is the nicer version."
Ford Gt350
"...buying for the sound. If I want a sound, I get a GT350 walk away. Well, that's part of the sports car e..."
Ferrari 308 Gtsi
"...e a marker for this, and I'll tell you why. This 308 GTSI, this was the nicest version of the least desira..."
Jeep Grand Cherokee
"Yeah, we do. I want to talk about the Grand Cherokee. Please pull up the Grand Cherokee."
Skoda Felicia
"This is a 640 horsepower car. That would blow Felicia on the next two. Oh, yeah."
Nissan XTerra
"... was the other one you're thinking about was that XTERRA. That XTERRA that had the Titan V8 swap."
Ferrari 250 GTO
"Is the Z3- Is the 250 GTO- No, but that's not a car I consider."
Dodge Viper
"You get that and a third gen Viper. By the way, Kenan and I, I want to say something."
The Dodge Viper is a fast sports car made by Dodge. It has a big engine and a unique look, making it popular among car lovers.
The Dodge Viper is a high-performance sports car known for its powerful V10 engine and distinctive styling. It has a strong following among car enthusiasts and has gone through several generations since its introduction in the early 1990s.
generations of Viper
"Kenan and I determined today, there are only three generations of viper. There's the first gen, the third gen, and the fifth gen."
Cars like the Dodge Viper are made in different versions over the years, called generations. Each generation usually has better features and performance than the last.
The Dodge Viper has gone through multiple generations, each bringing improvements in performance, technology, and design. The discussion here refers to the first, third, and fifth generations, which are significant milestones in the Viper's evolution.
first generation
"Those are the three generations of Viper. Kenan wants a first gen but would accept a 1.2 gen."
The first generation means the very first version of the Dodge Viper that was made. It was produced a long time ago and is different from newer versions.
The first generation of the Dodge Viper refers to the original model produced from 1992 to 1995. It is characterized by its raw performance and minimalist design, which set the foundation for future models.
second generation
"Those are the three generations of Viper. Kenan wants a first gen but would accept a 1.2 gen."
The second generation is the next version of the Dodge Viper that came out after the first one. It had some upgrades to make it better and more comfortable to drive.
The second generation of the Dodge Viper, produced from 1996 to 2002, introduced several improvements over the first generation, including enhanced performance and comfort features while maintaining its iconic design.
Honda S2000
"It looks like an S2000 but it goes like a Viper."
The Honda S2000 is a small sports car that is fun to drive and has a powerful engine. It's known for being very responsive and enjoyable on the road.
The Honda S2000 is a two-seater sports car known for its high-revving engine and agile handling. It has a classic roadster design and is celebrated for its driving dynamics.
Ford GT
"My 4GT, you know, it no longer does it have this reputation, but when the 4GT came out, it was known as a really, really uncontrollable car."
The Ford GT is a fast sports car made by Ford. It's famous for its racing history and unique design.
The Ford GT is a high-performance sports car known for its speed and handling. It has a storied history, especially with its racing pedigree and design inspired by the original GT40.
Volkswagen GTI
"Filippo named the MK7 GTI, the deepest Filippo car."
The Volkswagen GTI is a fun and sporty car that many people enjoy driving. The Mk7 is one version of this car that is popular for its good performance.
The Volkswagen GTI is a sporty hatchback known for its performance and practicality. The Mk7 generation is particularly praised for its balance of power and everyday usability.
Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
"No, an E63 AMG wagon is."
The E63 AMG is a fast and luxurious car made by Mercedes-Benz. The wagon version is like a car with extra space in the back for carrying things.
The Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG is a high-performance version of the E-Class sedan, known for its powerful engine and luxurious features. The wagon variant offers added practicality without sacrificing performance.
C3 Stingray
"But I think that the answer is C3 Stingray. Oh, on what?"
The C3 Stingray is a version of the Chevrolet Corvette that was made between 1968 and 1982. It's famous for its unique look and fast performance, and many car enthusiasts love it.
The C3 Stingray refers to the third generation of the Chevrolet Corvette, produced from 1968 to 1982. It is known for its distinctive design and performance, making it a classic American sports car.
Chevrolet C3 Stingray
"Let's C3 Stingray. We ever sold one of those? Yeah, a couple. Because it made it into 81."
The Chevrolet C3 Stingray is a version of the Corvette sports car made between 1968 and 1982. It's famous for its unique look and fast performance, which many car lovers appreciate.
The Chevrolet C3 Stingray is a model of the Corvette that was produced from 1968 to 1982. It is known for its distinctive styling and performance capabilities, making it a popular choice among sports car enthusiasts.
Morgan 4 Plus
"...d look at those gauges. I really want to drive a 4 plus 3. From AFS CTS-V, a Doug Nash."
Cadillac Ctsv
"I really want to drive a 4 plus 3. From AFS CTS-V, a Doug Nash. Yeah."
Mercedes-Benz C63
"Doug, I understand the hate for the four-cylinder C63, given the radical departure from the established formula."
The Mercedes-Benz C63 is a fast and powerful version of their C-Class cars. It's usually equipped with a V8 engine, but there's been a new version with a smaller four-cylinder engine, which some fans don't like.
The Mercedes-Benz C63 is a high-performance variant of the C-Class, known for its powerful engine and sporty handling. The mention of a four-cylinder version indicates a shift from the traditional V8 engine that C63 models are known for.
four-cylinder engine
"Doug, I understand the hate for the four-cylinder C63, given the radical departure from the established formula."
A four-cylinder engine is a type of car engine that has four small chambers where fuel and air mix and burn to create power. They are usually lighter and more fuel-efficient than larger engines.
A four-cylinder engine is an internal combustion engine with four cylinders, which typically provides a balance of power and fuel efficiency. This engine configuration is common in smaller vehicles and is often used to reduce weight and improve fuel economy.
Mercedes-Benz Cclass
"It's interesting. Do you think that the V8 C-Class AMG, if it had never existed,"
V8
"Do you think that the V8 C-Class AMG, if it had never existed, would the perception of the four-cylinder C63 be different?"
A V8 engine is a powerful type of engine that has eight cylinders. It's often found in sports cars and trucks because it can produce a lot of power.
A V8 engine is a type of internal combustion engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V configuration. It is known for delivering high power and torque, making it popular in performance and luxury vehicles.
Subaru STI
"Like, I like an STi. But if you're comparing the entrance in that segment to a Subaru engine, that's not a positive price."
The Subaru STI is a sporty version of a regular Subaru car, built for speed and handling. It's famous for its racing heritage and is loved by car fans for its powerful engine and ability to drive well in tough conditions.
The Subaru STI, or Subaru Impreza WRX STI, is a high-performance variant of the Subaru Impreza. It is known for its rally-inspired design, turbocharged engine, and all-wheel-drive system, making it popular among enthusiasts for its performance and handling.
Toyota FJ Cruiser
"Doug, I remember you saying Toyota launched the FJ Cruiser at the worst possible time. The recession came on."
The Toyota FJ Cruiser is a type of SUV designed for off-road driving. It has a unique, vintage look and is built to handle rough terrains.
The Toyota FJ Cruiser is a retro-styled SUV known for its off-road capabilities. It was launched during a time when consumer interest in off-road vehicles was low due to economic factors.
Ford Bronco
"... off-roading pedigree, a relaunch of the FJ as a Bronco slash Jeep competitor couldn't fit in the market..."
Toyota 4Runner
"I think Toyota has decided, for whatever reason, that that niche will be filled by the 4Runner."
The Toyota 4Runner is a tough SUV that can drive on rough roads and trails. It's popular among people who enjoy outdoor adventures.
The Toyota 4Runner is a midsize SUV known for its ruggedness and off-road capabilities. It has a strong following among off-road enthusiasts and is often compared to vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler.
Jeep Wrangler
"...the forerunner is a close competitor at the Bronco and the Wrangler. The difference, of course, is it doesn't look like them, right?"
The Jeep Wrangler is a popular off-road vehicle that has a tough design and can be customized. It’s known for having removable doors and roofs, which makes it fun for outdoor activities.
The Jeep Wrangler is a classic off-road vehicle known for its rugged design and capability. It features removable doors and roofs, making it a favorite among outdoor enthusiasts.
Honda Passport
"The Honda Passport guys really got to you. That's what consumers really want. Consumers want a body-on-frame capable vehicle, okay?"
The Honda Passport is a type of SUV that has a lot of space and can handle rough terrain, making it a good choice for families and outdoor enthusiasts.
The Honda Passport is a midsize SUV that offers a spacious interior and off-road capability, appealing to consumers looking for a versatile vehicle.
body-on-frame
"Consumers want a body-on-frame capable vehicle, okay? The Passport's a crossover."
Body-on-frame means that the main part of the car (the body) is built on a strong frame. This design is good for trucks and SUVs that need to be tough.
Body-on-frame is a vehicle construction method where the body is mounted on a separate frame, providing strength and durability, especially for off-road vehicles.
Toyota Land Cruiser
"...unt of people. We've given Toyota a pass for the Land Cruiser forerunner thing, huh? God, one of the great bad..."
manual transmission
"...when he purchases a vehicle and automatic when the same car is produced from the factory with a manual?"
A manual transmission is a kind of gear system in cars where you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal. It gives you more control over how the car drives.
A manual transmission is a type of transmission that requires the driver to manually shift gears using a clutch pedal and gear stick. This allows for more control over the vehicle's power and speed compared to automatic transmissions.
automatic transmission
"...when he purchases a vehicle and automatic when the same car is produced from the factory with a manual?"
An automatic transmission is a system in cars that changes gears for you, so you don't have to do it yourself. It makes driving easier, especially in traffic.
An automatic transmission is a type of transmission that automatically changes the gear ratios as the vehicle moves, allowing the driver to focus on driving without needing to manually shift gears.
GT4 PDK
"...Like buying a GT4 PDK versus a stick? Personally, no. I think there's a lot of good reasons to buy a tip..."
The GT4 PDK is a version of the Porsche Cayman GT4 that has an automatic transmission, making it easier to drive than a manual. PDK stands for Porsche's special type of automatic transmission that shifts gears quickly.
The GT4 PDK refers to the Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 equipped with the Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK), which is a dual-clutch automatic transmission. This system allows for faster gear changes compared to traditional automatic or manual transmissions.
Porsche 718 Cayman GT4
"If you put GT4 as a good example, if you wanted to just do track driving with it..."
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a fast sports car that's great for racing on tracks. It's built to handle well and go really fast.
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a high-performance sports car designed for track use, featuring a powerful engine and precise handling.
Acura NSX
"And that's true of an auto NSX."
The Acura NSX is a fancy sports car that is fast and has a cool hybrid engine. It's designed for both speed and comfort.
The Acura NSX is a high-performance sports car that combines luxury and advanced technology, known for its hybrid powertrain and agile handling.
Tesla Model 3
"would you rather commute in a Model 3 like everybody else or sit in an auto Supra?"
The Tesla Model 3 is a popular electric car that can drive long distances without needing gas. It's known for being fast and having lots of tech features.
The Tesla Model 3 is an all-electric sedan known for its impressive range, performance, and advanced technology features.
Lotus Carlton
"It was just enough. What do you think of the Mustang is like too obvious, right? I like that question. Yeah. So anyway, what are the most if you know you know car? Lotus Carlton."
The Lotus Carlton is a special version of a regular car that has been upgraded for better performance. It's known for being fast and sporty.
The Lotus Carlton is a high-performance version of the Vauxhall Carlton, modified by Lotus Engineering. It is known for its powerful engine and sporty characteristics, making it a rare and sought-after vehicle among enthusiasts.
Volvo V70R
"A V70R. I'm not going to give that 60R a pass because those are $3,000 cars now."
The Volvo V70R is a sportier version of the regular V70 wagon, designed to be more fun to drive while still being practical for everyday use.
The Volvo V70R is a performance-oriented version of the V70 wagon, featuring a turbocharged engine and sport-tuned suspension. It combines practicality with sporty performance, making it a unique option in the wagon segment.
Volvo V70 R
"But a V70R. Yeah, they got a real cheap. A V70R. If you know, you know."
The Volvo V70 R is a sporty version of a family wagon that has a powerful engine and is fun to drive. It's popular with car lovers who want a mix of space and speed.
The Volvo V70 R is a high-performance version of the V70 wagon, known for its turbocharged engine and sporty handling. It's a favorite among enthusiasts for its blend of practicality and performance.
American Motors Corporation (Amc) Pacer
"... basically any old car. The guy who drives an AMC Pacer who lives near that guy is an enthusiast."
Porsche 911
"That's if I don't see them that often, that's the point. A non-current 9-11 of any kind. Yeah."
Toyota Camry
"...al car to reach enthusiast status? Can you go to Camry? Can you pull up Camry on cars and vids?"
Toyota RAV4
"... Radwood, people are like, oh, man, I got a clean RAV4. That car was like a boring front-wheel drive BS..."
Nissan Maxima
"... why did you get this instead of something cool? Maxima. We had that car, except it had hubcaps and a fo..."
Porsche 959
"...Martin garage. You know, it kind of looks like a 959. There's like a little 959 here."
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