The ZR1 is INSANE; Wooden Manx; M3 Wrenching; Q&A

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really fun. I seem to have found a racing shoe that works for proper, proper

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Schrodinger's producer. So you want to see the broadcast and then you'll know.

That won't be enough. Jesus. No. Hi. Hello. Wow. It's 10, 15 a.m. I have been at work for four hours

because I had a stack of bills like this because I had been gone for two weeks.

But I got them done. So I'm able to actually think about doing this show now as predicted.

Getting here at like that early was a good move. You have four hours of bill paying?

I had about three hours of bill paying. Yeah. Dude, when I, when you travel for that long at

the beginning of the month, when you have like businesses and stuff, it's like bad. I mean,

the bills weren't late, but they were just, you know, how many, they were plentiful things.

Like you got like water, power, Wi-Fi, and there's clearly far more things. There's a bunch more.

There's like lift maintenance, elevator maintenance. There's, oh boy. Well, there's,

there's also water and power and all that for three different buildings and a house. It's,

there's a, it's okay. There's just, when you're gone for a while, it takes a lot of time to do that.

But that's okay. That's what this list was. The list was all of these lists plus whatever came in

in the mail, but I came in the mail and I crossed 13 things off the list and there's only 19 things

on the list. So like that's pretty good for the first four hours of a day back from a two-week

trip, I think. Nice. That's pretty, pretty productive and only using decaffeinated coffee, mind you.

Oh, cause you're out of coffee here. No, cause I didn't want to have caffeine. Cause if I tried

to look at this list and all those bills while having 10 ounces of caffeine, I'd probably have a

panic attack. Yeah. Yeah. But wow, what have you been doing?

I pulled apart my intake manifold last night. So I did that to install this eventory,

call it a hybrid air box. So it's sort of a cold air intake, but it uses the math thing. So it's

going well so far. No problems. Okay. And this is on the disassembly part. So we'll see what happens

with reassembly of course. Trying to pull up a photo after we start. How long do you anticipate

reassembly today? I don't know. I asked Matt, a very nice person over at eventory. I was like,

how long does it, and I phrase this, I said, how long does this take a normal person? And he said

four to five hours. Okay. And I was like, all right, I'll divide it in two days. You know,

I did two hours last night. For me, I'm going to say four more, just, just knowing me and like

taking breaks from my back and stuff. A normal person, if you ask an expert,

what a normal person is, they probably think it's someone more qualified maybe than you. Although

you've done like a decent amount of wrenching on this car. I have, but there's always like,

I've never taken this whole intake plenum off before. And so like getting it underneath those

wires that we're going across at first, I was like, do I have to take these out? But no, you just have

to move and push more than I feel comfortable with. That's the thing I don't know.

They don't put that in the notes of like, no, no, just push, jiggle, and then tilt.

Push the definitive, the glossary of terms, push, jiggle, tilt, you know,

it needs that. Yeah. Because the Pelican parts guide, which was pretty good,

but it just says, remove plenum. You're like, right, I've unhooked the things, remove plenum.

You have jumped there. You have put a lot of steps into one step.

The big, so here's the old one, but the biggest thing that honestly surprised the

shit out of me is that this thing weighs like three to four times more than the carbon one.

I was shocked because this is a piece of plastic. It's a plastic box.

I expected it to weigh what a lunchbox weighs. It probably weighs 12 pounds, right? Just for

like a big empty open thing. Maybe it's because it's plastic that is going to get really hot.

Yeah, probably. It's probably, I think it's thick. It's thick. It has to, it has to, like,

it is, it's probably used as a thermal regulation device in some way. And it's also has to be

vibration proof for hundreds of thousands of miles, you know, in many ways the most reliable

thing in the engine. But yeah, so the new one should be mounted tonight if all goes according

to plan so people can see it at the Willow Springs Cars and Coffee or on Instagram if you don't

weekend. I guess this show is going to air in the same week as this. So if you're in or can be in

LA, you know, October 11th, the Willow Springs Reimagined event, Zach and I are going to be

out there. We're going to be doing a live show that you will not have to pay extra for once

you're inside the venue. There is a, I think it's 20 bucks to get in, but it does, it all goes to

charity. And they're going to be showing all the plans for the new track. There's going to be a

bunch of cool vendors involved. There's going to be track demonstrations, some vintage cars. It's

going to be pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty stoked on it, honestly. And I'm going to bring

the pink car, I think. That seems to suit that place. Yeah. And Zach will have the M3 and it'll

be fun. So come on out, you can buy a ticket. I think just go to find Willow Springs on Instagram

is a link to there. Yeah. It's a link to an Eventbrite and that's what you pay for it. Yeah.

And I think there's some extra high level of ticket as well that you can get some special

thing. There are several tiers. I don't remember them being crazy expensive and one is like a car

show entry. Yeah. You want to be a part of that, I think. But yeah, go there. That's where we're

going to be. Yes. We're going to be in the car show area. Speaking of which, I heard Lyft was good

this weekend in North Carolina. Oh, I didn't see it. The photos look nice as they always do from

Lyft. And I guess my old car was there. My safari. Oh, cool. Got tagged a lot on Instagram

for that one. So I'm glad people enjoyed seeing that. But I was up doing, I was up finishing

Performance Car of the Year, which was so fun. It's the power of back to back comparisons

is pretty unbeatable, man. Yeah, this drive at the end of the day here with the,

what I mean, not necessarily one of the four guarantees to win, but the four fastest cars we

had with the ZR1, the Temerario, the GTD, and the GT3. Me and some of the other guys took turns

with these on a very good road for like an hour and very nice. Very, very nice.

That livery on the 911 is crazy. That's a, that's a, I don't know if it's factory or dealer or

either, but it is available as an option. It's like 4,000 bucks. It's vinyl, not paint.

But I'm really glad they put it on that GT3 because it's a much nicer thing to show in a

magazine than just a white car. Definitely. It's definitely fun. And that GT3 is that,

it's so funny. I don't know if I said this last time, but when you drive a base 911,

you're like, oh yeah, all you need is a base 911. Like you don't need the, even if it's a GT3,

like this thing had like no options, like base seats, sticks, steel brakes. It was white other

than the stickers, not even sport chrono. Like, you know, they sent this thing to do track work

and had like nothing on it, which is fun. But the, when you drive a base 911, you're like, oh,

all you ever need is a base 911. And when you drive a loaded one, you're like, oh, the options are

what totally make this thing important. You know, whatever one you've just driven is like it.

Well, I guess the car is good enough and you're having a good time in the car. And then you look

around and you go, what does this car have that must be making the difference? It's funny that

we're like ignoring the car and go, it's got to be these option seats or these other things.

It has chassis. So, but you know, some of these things, the GTD and the Lambo, the ZR1 on the

street are pretty, pretty, pretty psychotic. I mean, these are, these are some anti-social

automobiles. They are, they are, oh, man. Super fast, super loud. These are fast and loud and crazy.

And in the case of the ZR1, like, I can't believe they're selling that to people. It's like a set,

you know, it's like a 765 or something like. Way more power. Yeah, it's heavier than a 765.

It doesn't have the carbon tub. It does have 200 more horsepower. And I think a 765 might at,

might was probably a little quicker and is definitely a little scarier because the ZR1

also has more, like, I think more tire or like 765 spun the tires more. The ZR1 did put the power

down a little better in like a straight line. I mean, I will say, like, this is speculation,

but Corvette has had such good, like, performance track, like traction management for years and

years and years and worked on it, worked on it, worked on it, and maybe that's where some of that

magic comes from. Yeah, and the 765 is a few years old too. They've had one, you know, there's one

around that they could try and benchmark, but it was, that's, it's crazy that they're selling

that to people. And for, I mean, respect to the fact that, you know, 200K is a ton of money,

but for, quote, so little money is pretty, pretty wild because you could, you know,

you could also daily one, like, just like if you get that, like, if you get a less, like,

tracky one, this one of the carbon wheels and the sticky tires and like the super dirty alignment,

you could get like a more regular one that has a smaller wing and, you know, more summer,

high performance tires, but not the sticky icky's. And you could pretty much daily that just like

any other car. With the Grand Touring Edition, basically. Yeah, it'd be a thousand horsepower.

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but like, you know, when you're talking about like not just pace, but it's a it's a it's a small,

you know, ish five and a half liters, but small ish twin turbo v8 that

really does feel like a Pista, you know, like, you know, in all kind of a lot of ways. They've

sort of gotten that bit down in the same way the Z06 was to the, but it also makes you think like,

yes, it's different. It's turbos and all that, but like the difference between the Z06 and the ZR1

most of the time isn't much and the Z06 still sounds better. The Z06 is like it definitely

sounds especially the last day it was really sunny and we took the top off and it was pretty

funny because most people like most people even the road and track people like kind of forgot that

the top comes off on those and we took the top off and I was expecting like, you know, I was like

a revelation, but actually it's better with the top on because it kind of contains

Oh, it's like a resonance box sort of. Oh, right. I was next to the Z06 in traffic like

stop and go and I went, this thing sounds good. The Z06 with the top off is awesome. Like I'd

buy money, I'd probably still get a Z06. The ZR1 is just psychotically fast. Right. If you don't

need psychotically fast, you know, if you don't live in Nevada or someone with really long straight

un-controlled roads in a runway, close course of course. Yeah. The real difference has happened

like over a hundred miles an hour between six, seven or really not a hundred miles an hour

because that's not accurate because the ZR1 is faster all the time. The difference has happened

at over 75% throttle, which when you have a Z06 is rare. Like be honest, you're not, you know,

if you have a Z06, you're flooring it not that often because that's a ton of power to use on the

street. Flooring it and shifting it red line. Rare. Pretty rare. Even if you've got a fast car,

that's a small percentage of time that you're driving. True. You can't drive like that. Nobody

can drive like that on the street. So the difference between the Z06 and ZR1 happens in that last

25% of throttle. So it's like if you only, if you have the circumstances to use that a lot,

does it become important? Same thing with any fucking fast EV. Like how often are you flooring

a base one? Like probably pretty rarely. Yeah. Yeah. True. I mean true of most cars,

especially beyond 80 miles per hour. You know, some people might floor it to get onto the highway

and they're like blah, blah, blah. And then they're at traffic speed. But continuing past that,

where a lot of, you know, the 1,000 horsepower plus cars really start to show

their technology, you're just not doing it very much. It's pretty rare. Yeah. Even if you drive like

aggressively in the canyons or bless you, you know, once a car is over like 500 horsepower,

you just don't have room for that. Totally. Trust me. I've done it. I've tried. There isn't fucking

room. Like, and if there is, if you try to make room, your luck will run out sooner rather than

later. One of the rules in our house is that Sarah can't buy a car with over 500 horsepower

because she's not prepared for it. Well, I would say I would say I spun on track. I spun,

I spun the ZR1. I spun the, uh, I spun the Lambo once during drift shots or just driving. No,

no, no, no, no, no, while intending to slide. I spun the M5 probably twice because the M5,

it took me a while to, to, to figure out that you need to slide it with exactly two percent throttle,

not six, two. Otherwise, it will just insta-spin. Um, but, uh,

but the only like time, uh, where I, I, I had a near whoopsie while not, not while trying to do

a slide for a shot was the ZR1 on the front straight. You know, I just kept felt like I

kept feeling like I'm just, I could break a little later, break a little later. And on next lap,

I tried to break like half a second later and boy, it's a lot of feet. Boy was that a lot of

feet at the speed I was going. And the front wheel didn't go in the grass, but it was probably

six inches from the grass. Now you made the corner, but you were very close to the

grass. Yeah, I made the corner, but I was like 20 feet offline and I had to do like a full abs.

And you point straight a little bit in front of everybody. Because when, when me and, uh,

Mike Austin was doing the laps on the first day, um, I'm sorry, in the first half of both days,

only me and Mike Austin are allowed on track. The whole rest of the editorial team does their like,

uh, uh, round robin or whatever you call it, rotation of the cars in the afternoons. He's

doing lap times and I'm doing videos and they don't want other cars on track for either. So like,

which makes sense. So like when I was driving that car and like, but while he's in the pits,

they're getting a V box in the next car, they're changing all that stuff over.

That's when I go out and I've got 10 minutes while they do that. And then I come in and he

goes out. It's like reasonably efficient. Um, but I'm the only one on track. So everybody,

everyone else has to stand around. They're all watching. No one is doing anything else.

Don't cook it right there. Yeah. And because then they're all sitting there going,

I probably wouldn't have done that. Maybe, maybe, but I just know what, yeah.

Oh yeah. Done. I mean, it happens and it does happen. Jethro. Jethro fucking looped the

Aventador last year, like a hundred miles an hour and had a serious code brown,

although nothing was broken. He was, you know, he was really pushing. Yeah.

Did I say Aventador? Revolto. Revolto.

But perfection is impossible or very difficult, you know, even when I fucking spun the ZR one,

it was right in front of marker Bono. Um, and I knew he was there. That's why I chose to do that.

But I was just like, okay, we're going 360 and like foot to the floor, like banging rev limiter,

did a couple 360s before continuing on. And he was like, you know, doing the exit from the

cloud of smoke, like that piece of shit driving will probably cover shot or something. Do they

have extra tires for you for that stuff? Like, yeah, the ZR, they sent a bunch. Okay. They sent,

uh, five sets of carbon wheels and tires. Wow. Okay. That's what I'm so jealous. Someone told

them Ferrari sent seven. Yeah. When we used to make the TV shows, they, it was rare that an OEM

would send a set of tires. So we had to be much more careful with them. And I'm so jealous that

you're just like, I'll just rip a couple threes and then we'll swap these babies over. It was,

that was an end of the day one where it was like, okay, these, you know, Mike, whoever's

setting the lap times gets fresh tires. And then like we'd use whatever's left at the end of the

day, we swap them for the next day. So the, you know, whoever else gets some fresh tires.

And then sometimes occasionally they'll send three sets. Usually they'll send one extra set,

a good one on the car, an extra one for the track, and then a set of road tires,

because they'll, they don't want you driving, you know, 600 more miles on like shot ass R

compounds, which thank God, you know, some of them, some of them, uh, the first road driving day

after we did our last podcast, it, look at the GTD, it fucking pissed rain all day. And

I have to give a lot of respect to the, uh, multi-matic wet driving traction control program

because it did keep the car in line, although it was fucking misery. Did you ever switch it

to normal or whatever just to see the difference? And you went, Oh, that's doing a lot.

Yeah. Well, I could, you know, I could tell the difference. It really changes the throttle

mapping as well. It dials down, you know, you're the throttle position, which is good because

I was in bumpy roads and it's rides kind of rough. So a messy car. It was a dirty, dirty girl, that

car. This fucking thing had a, that GTD had a, had a weak man. And actually I think, I think,

I think we have, we, we contributed. There was, I don't see a reason not to say that we did this.

No one gives a shit. Um, you know, the, the GTD came with two, uh, multi-matic babysitters, uh,

who were, who were fucking pretty cool. I don't want to say their names just in case, but they

were fucking, they were chill. They were a good, they were a good time and, and they didn't have

to do anything. Like the car, uh, the car like behaved itself on the road. So they were just

like sitting around. So on the road, we'd be like ripping this section of road that had

fucking nobody on it. I mean, even by the standards of our canyons, like this road was

all. Is it above Thunder Hill? It was to the west. No, it was to the west. It was. Right. Yeah. Yeah,

I know. Yeah. And so, but these guys, the car was working fine. So they didn't have to do

shits. They're chilling. So at some point, one of them mentions that they've never been in a

Lamborghini and I'm like, Oh, well, like fucking, I got to go drive this one, like come for a ride.

And then it was like, you know, and then, you know, we're talking, he's like, yeah, you know,

the boss keeps, uh, keeps, you know, getting on us. Cause like the ZR one, you know, beat us

around the Nürburgring and whatever. I was like, Oh, have you been in a ZR one? And they're like,

no. And I was like, all right, well, you need to go in a ZR one and then talk about it. He was like,

Oh, fuck me. Oh, that's how it beat us. Oh, that, you know, that's what's happening. Like,

and I was like, yeah, imagine you guys like started with a Corvette instead of starting with a

Mustang, you know, you might be there. But, uh, but no, we like, we took them for like, you know,

rides in a bunch of the cars. And so they really got a good, uh, a good like spread of knowledge

about what everyone else is doing. So on behalf of, uh, Canada,

it was like some of the, some of the, you know, the manufacturer stuff, like they do rip cars

apart, they drive the competition, but some of the engineers never get to, or they never get,

we talked about this with Corvette, they never get to drive their own cars. So it's interesting

to see who has experienced what, but hopefully that it does inform them a little bit when they

go back to Multimatic. And to be, to be very clear, we weren't letting anybody drive any cars.

They were just like going for rides and stuff. So, uh, so it was, it was, it was pretty fun.

It was a really good time. I very much enjoyed that. And then drove to Pebble Beach, a little

golf with the old man. Oh, um, and, uh, and yeah, 2000 miles on that Audi RS3.

Do the, uh, that car, uh, the, the, the brake fluid was really boiled after the second track day.

And, uh, I had to drive it like 800 more miles. So the whole way home, like, oh, this brake

pedal is like so soft. Was it really? Yeah. And it wasn't, it's got carbon ceramic fronts, but

12 different people driving it on the track and then like, you know, ripping on it pretty hard

on the road. Like, yeah, the, the fluid was just toast. It needs, needs a service and a flush and

but pretty good car. Got to be honest. No, uh, no issues at all with it. Uh, that, that wouldn't

be totally expected given what it went through. And actually it was really good on tires.

We switched, we switched to set of tires once because we had them and you know, why not?

You know, and, and, uh, but yeah, even after like my track day at Sonoma and about a, a track day

and a half. No, I'm, you know, we should, in the end of the, yeah, two full track days at

Thunder Hill, there was still like over 50% tire left and like it's a press car. Like people were

not being kind to it. They were trying like torque rear mode, slidey mode, which, you know,

that is, it's cool. It's a novelty. It does help the car rotate through corners, uh, better than,

you know, most, uh, front wheel drive based all wheel drive cars. Um, but at the same time,

it's, it's, it's a little inconsistent with like all of them, all of those ones are like the Focus

RS and the Golf. They all like the way they actually shift the power to the rear in order to step the

back out, you could do the same thing every lap. And on that corner where you want to do the slide,

it will not behave exactly the same way. And that's frustrating. Yeah. I think there's just,

there's so many, so much computing happening. And then if the grip changes slightly between inside,

inside rear, outside rear, because it's trying to send all that torque to outside rear. Right.

If it hooks up too much because the tires warm or something, like it can't spin it,

doesn't rotate as much. It's very different from a rear wheel drive based all wheel drive system.

You know, that usually is a lot better at that. Yeah. And you know what I, you know,

what I did really enjoy that was the Golf R. Folks got to take one more quick break because

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Really enjoyed it. It was the Golf R. I didn't think I'd like it as much as I did on the road.

It was like really nice. The seats are fucking awful. When I see those, I get tempted to make

that. That would be a very practical switch. That would be a good daily for you, I think.

And they're like invisible. They put the dog in the back. Those seats were dope. You know what they

did with the seats that I like? They made them, they're shaped like heavily bolstered,

but the bolstering isn't like super hard. So it's got a good bit of give, but then it's got,

it's made of this grippy material. So in a lot of ways it uses the grip of the material to hold

you without being like soup, but they look like buckety. But it's like, it almost feels like

a bucket seat made of like, kind of like memory foam. That material stuff matters a lot because

now when I get into my car, I can't just slide into the seat. I get stuck on the wool. And I'm

like, what's happening? Oh, right. It's just because the old leather was so smooth and shiny.

Yeah. I like the grippy seat. I think it's going to be nice in the corners. Yeah. The Volvo wool

seats have the good, have the good tensile strength. Those are shaped so well. I would put those in

anything. They said they would get us some fabric if we wanted you. I was considering doing the

Manx. I want the whole seat. I want the whole shape of it. The whole thing with the wool tweed

and just look, can we like take it from a, can we like co-part? Yeah, probably co-part in the XC90.

Someone definitely crashed an XC90 leaving their third house. Do the seats have airbags in them?

Yes. Like in the seat. I bet they do. I think most seats do these things. I think a lot of them do.

I think the side curtain comes from the seat. I think in some cars, yes. Okay. Like, yeah.

Yeah. Sometimes it's here or here. Like my car, it's in the door. Yeah. But some cars,

you'll see there's an air, like if you're removing the seat, you have to turn off the battery and

disable that plug because otherwise the airbag will go off in your face. Right. Yeah. That makes

sense. So having a side, it'd be funny as fuck if you had a side impact airbag in your Manx,

but nothing in the front. Yeah, some safety. But now I have a crate. Very excited about my crate.

Did you post a photo? No, I didn't. I sent those pictures to Ali to tell him what a genius I was.

I'm the engineer now. Did I talk about this on a previous show? I don't know if I did.

The problem with using the Manx as a daily driver is that the shelf behind the seats,

which has plenty of space for like, you know, a duffel bag or a couple duffel bags, probably.

If you put like groceries or whatever back there, it just slides around. There's nothing

containing the stuff. And so I bought, I wanted to like, you know, look cool. And so there's like

a bunch of different like utility boxes you can put back there, but they all looked like,

you know, a little contractory. So I got on Etsy for like, you know, not a lot of money,

like a 60 year old melon crate, like a farmer's crate that happens to be like almost exactly the

right size to fit that compartment. And they had put these beautiful, like polished aluminum

uh, strap downs on either side of that shelf, because I also have a cooler with like a Velcro

strap for it. And so I, I've lost some weight and I have two belts that are too big and that

their belts I wore for like long times. So they're pretty weathered and worn in. So I was able to like

make these leather straps for my wooden crate. Now I can put groceries back there and I've got

some like real rubber feet. So the crate doesn't like, you know, scrape around on the thing.

Yeah. I think it's the right size. Cause then on either side of the crate, you can put jackets

and stuff. Yeah, they're still filled it out too much. It'll be too big. Yeah. And I'm like,

oh, this is cool. I'll post pictures on Instagram like later, but it's, it's pretty cool. I'm into

it. Uh, that was, that was a good move. And you can just take it out, just undo the belts and take

it out in two seconds. Yeah. Very cool. And then you can put the belts in the looks rustic.

It does look rustic. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like a very light crate. Yeah. And they're also making me

a pouch that goes down by your left knee. Cause there's like nowhere to put anything

like my keys or whatever. Like there's no, I need it just somewhere to put something. Yep.

So yeah, you need that. Just a little pouch. Yeah. And then, and then we'll be done with that. Then we

can drive it just feet. Done. Done. Well done in terms of the customization portion of it. They're,

they're, um, did we talk about the further development they're doing? There's a, okay.

So the problem that they have been unable to solve thus far is the temperatures at highway

speeds, which they've been able to mitigate somewhat, but, but not solve to this point. So

if I drive my car at over 60 miles an hour, it will overheat in like 10 or 15 minutes of driving

at that speed. Right. And they were going to cut the under tray or something, right? They did that.

Okay. They did that. And it, it didn't do enough. It improved it five, five degrees. They needed to

get it maybe 25 degrees. So, um, they're, what they're doing now is a front mount. There is,

um, if you look at my car from the front and whatever, there's an area where you, you could

put a front license plate. Like it's like, there's a cutout. Like it's underneath the little chrome

bar. And so they've developed a really nice little smooth, little great that goes there.

And it's a, it's a loop where the two radiators are in series. So it goes from the engine

all the way to the front, hot, hot coolant goes all the way to the front,

cools down at the front, comes back, goes to the big one in the back, and then goes back to the

engine there. So it's got, it's, it goes a further distance and it hits, it gets that front mount,

which at higher speed is what you need at low speeds. The, the, the big one has been totally

bulletproof. I've sat in horrific traffic jams and it's fucking ace in traffic. Like that's not

a problem. The problem is air flow. So when you're moving, maybe there's an air pocket. And so

cold air is not getting to that larger one, right? Right. There's just the problem with the Manx is

at speed. The entire back half of the vehicle is like in a vacuum. Right. It's silly. I mean,

it just is. And so they've done as much as they can do with keeping everything at the back.

But it's still not enough. And so now we're going with the front, which,

okay, so we're going to get that. And there's some other things that they are,

have re-engineered for different reasons that we will also get. We will be getting all,

all retrofits while we continue. Fortunately, like none of this stuff is actually coming from

driving the car. It's still a good time. Yeah. Well, because you're not driving on the highway

much. Like you're not commuting 80 miles. I can go from here to Malibu. And that's like,

that's all I really need to do. That's as far as I need to go in this car.

Cool. Correction, airbags will not go off if you disconnect the sensor. Someone corrected me. I was

like, I'm spreading forum myth. Fake forum myth news. Oh, I have a radial engine story for you,

but I need to, I need to, someone sent me an Instagram and they're like, do you know the

most powerful rotary engine ever made or radial engine ever made? It's got to be from an airplane.

It is. Yeah. And it's humongous. Is it like 20 liters or something? Yeah. It's one of those

things. Maybe I can just look and Google it. While you're looking for it, I went to the,

the, the National Automobile Museum and Reno on this particular trip and they had

this weird car from like 1910 or something, 1915, maybe that was a radial engine, but not like

one I'd ever seen. The entire engine spun horizontally. What? Yeah. Yeah. Imagine the whole block

and heads spun like a fucking top. This was one of the worst designs. Where'd you see this? So

the National Automobile Museum. So had they like locked the crankshaft down and they were showing

you how the engine works, but when it's mounted in something, like when it's mounted in a car,

did the whole engine spin? Yes. They showed they have a car, they have a car with an engine in it.

They have another engine on a stand as a, as a backup because you need a backup and they have a video

of the car running and the engine is spinning. The whole engine spins. It idles at like

500 RPM and red lines at 1800 RPM. Any faster than that, it would like come apart, but think

about how fast 1800 RPM is when it's your entire engine spinning. What, what in the fuck? What,

what did they say was the reasoning for that? Well, it, it, it stays cool. You have these very,

you have these very small fins on the cylinder heads, but the engine itself is fucking whipping.

Yeah, that seems dangerous. It seems wildly dangerous. Yeah, of course. Of course. It's

incredibly dangerous. All right. So this was the time they were building steam cars. These,

those things were like on fire. Like what's more dangerous? That's a good point. I mean,

everything was so, and locomotives have all the exposed parts. Everything was so dangerous.

Okay. Pratt and Whitney are 4360 Wasp major. What are we talking about? 4,300 horsepower. Fuck.

Yeah. The largest displacement aviation piston engine mass. Does that say 71 liters? Yes, sir.

71.5 liters. Oh, wow. 2,300 horsepower. 4 row radial piston aircraft engine. Wow.

The fuck did you go in? The Manx to end all Manx. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's,

oh, wait, hang on a minute. It's main rival was the twin row 18 cylinder 54 liter right R350,

3,700 horsepower. That's the cuck engine. Look at this. Wow. What a little bitch. Yeah.

Fucking 54 liters. Although power per liter, I think is higher on this, right?

Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah. 4 liters, 3,700 horsepower. All right. Can you,

can you, what are the major applications, the Boeing B50 Superfortress? Can we see what those

look like? Stratofrager. Strat, oh, this, so these are big. Wow. Yeah. Okay. These are what,

it's what the, think of the planes that have those big like greenhouse looking fucking canopies.

With gun turrets all over it. Yeah. Turrets and shit. That's what you find. Memphis bell type

stuff. And I wonder if we can do it. Man, I bet that, what was that biggie, that big fucking

guppy looking one you just had up? Strat-o something or other? Superfortress? Is that it?

This thing? No, the other one. I don't know. The other one seemed like it had that one. Strat-o

freighter. Look at that. The cockpit. Wow. Must have the most beautiful view of the world.

It's extremely phallic looking this one. It's, what, very, it's just, it's like, well,

because so many planes, you know, they taper more from the front and this is just like,

it's a, it's got like a blimp face. Yeah. The fuselage looks like a dildo.

But everything you're saying, you have this very tall vertical windshield. Look how many windows

there are. There's got to be like 16 windows on the front. That's pretty cool. Right. So I

bet that's, that's, that's like flying a plane with like a floor to ceiling windshield. Yeah.

That must be so fucking sick. Can you see if you can find interior cockpit view from this aircraft

of the Strat-o freighter? No, not this one. The other one. Keep the Strat-o. You have a real

problem with this today. There we go. The Strat-o freighter C 97. We need an interior cockpit view.

I bet that's fucking amazing. But yeah. So those have, that has four of those engines.

Four 4,000 horsepower. Oh yeah. Cool. It's floored. Look, the windows go all the way down below his

feet. Wow. That is a floor to ceiling. Yeah. Just a wall of glass. That's pretty cool.

Man, what a view to fly from, huh? I bet that's awesome. Just up there, the windows open, just

ripping heaters. That's just back in the 40s. Yeah, dude, they're not dog fighting. This is a freight

plane. They're not dog fighting this fucking thing. They're just moving heavy, heavy stuff. Yeah.

There's an ashtray every like 18 inches in that motherfucker. Yeah, what a great view.

That's cool. Yeah. I bet that was fucking great. Do you think those have autopilot on it? Do you

think those guys are steering the whole time? It's probably not. I think back then autopilot was

like, you know, mechanical. I bet something holds the stick. I don't know. That's a good question.

Some pilot will tell us. Okay, two things. One, we talked a couple of shows about

my search for an actual sneaker like driving shoe that would pass tech in an actual race. Yes.

And it led me to the new balance pit crew shoe, which is out of production.

Okay. Yes. Because when you brought it up on that show, I had ordered these racing shoes.

And I was like, that's really interesting. These look cool. I might get these instead. Yeah. And

the only ones I could find were an 8.58 and a half on eBay. And I went, where the fuck are these

shoes? Yeah. So I was wondering where you got them out of production. Okay. So I actually like

a website, let me order them and then kicked back and said out of production. I was like, oh,

take them off your fucking website, idiot. Yeah. So anyway, OMP makes a pit crew shoe.

And this is it. And I don't know the model, but if you just look up OMP pit crew shoe,

it's very similar to the new balance shoe. I'm going to try to put my orthotics in it,

because it's not quite new balance arch support. But it really does feel mostly like a sneaker.

And it has a pretty good toe flexibility. I would probably want to wear this around town

for a few days before actually racing in it just because it might you might want to like a little

more flex in the toe. So I may just wear this for a few days. But really comfortable. SFI rated.

True to size. It was the right size. Yeah. And if you are thinking about getting a driving shoe

and you don't like how fucking narrow and stupid, especially with endurance racing, because you're

wearing them for 24 hours, you're walking on the paddock. My knees feel like they're going to

explode if I wear it. I wouldn't wear them. But once I'm out of the car, unless I have to help

with fuel. Well, I don't you know, I'm hanging out. I got to help. I just end up leaving them on all

day because I'm lazy. Then these then this might be the idea. Yeah. But and if you're not racing,

like little formula cars, like we're driving a car that has a street car pedal box. So like,

I don't need some fucking tiny little shoes. True. But isn't the car you're driving? Oh,

it's M3. It's an M3. So it's manual transmission. I mean, it turns out as it turns out, this is a

DCT car. But I but still like I I would I still for anything I'm driving on track, I don't I don't

want little narrow shoes. The sparkles I have fit my wide foot really nice. But I understand if I

was driving, I mean, if I the cars I was driving at lemons, I wish I had had this wide footbox

to heel toe like this. Yeah, because you let you do left side, right side, right? Yeah,

some people do actual heel and actual toe. I did because I had to with those shoes. I would

prefer to not do that. Yeah, prefer to drive like I normally drive because I'm fucking racing. I

want that to be a faster version of how I normally drive. I don't want to re relearn my footwork for

a fucking in a competitive situation. Yeah, it came back quick, but it was it was less perfect

required more thought. However, the mgb I drove the gas pedal. I am not exaggerating. Zach has

grabbed a bottle a bottle cap. The gas pedal was a square version of this size. Because they hammered

out the trans to fit the white the beer transmission. And so the gas pedal, they just use this tiny

piece of metal. But all those came back in. It was impossible to heel toe it. And we're like,

can we just add a second bottle cap to the left and then it would be money. Yeah, but I understand

like they they shrunk it in every direction. And I don't think they shrunk it vertically. I think

that's what it came as was like this adorable tiny bottle cap. It was you couldn't heel heel toe

it because there's nothing down there. Man, last show is British. Zach showed me a photo of what

looked to be almost the perfect vintage race car. And then he told me what it was like to drive.

All you have to do is tap the brakes twice per time. Five hard nozz. It was a good time. Oh,

yeah, wait, there was a story. There's a story from lemons I forgot, which is that next door

to us in the garages was a SIM racing team. They were like 15 people, at least they had

matching shirts. I don't remember the name of the team. I want to say they were all very nice.

So I'm going to make a little bit of fun of them. But it's just done in jest. They got matching,

like sponsored, you know, under armor shirts. There's also a huge light because they're shooting

and filming a bunch of shit. There's people on the team that are working their way up to driving.

They're like helping wrench, manage the team, whatever. They have Miata.

I arrive Friday evening. I miss practice and whatever. That's fine. Their engine had exploded.

Oh, no. They had been driving in practice and the engine had gone kaboom. But lucky,

lucky, lucky for them. There's a race shop at Button Willow. They happened to have a Miata

engine there and they were being paid. The race shop was like, we'll install it for you tonight.

It will cost whatever. So that was happening. I'm like, oh, wow, I can't believe you guys blew

up a Miata engine. First of all, it's hard, but like they showed me the pieces and their big pieces

had flown out of the engine. So they get a new engine. And these folks weren't just like writing

a check like in the morning. Some of them were under the car doing other stuff, buttoning things up.

So we, I go out, I start the race. I'm in the MG. They're out there also. I think within 20 minutes

I start seeing white smoke coming from their tailpipe. And that smoke trail grows and grows

and grows. And then soon they're not on the track anymore. They had popped a second Miata engine,

which seems impossible. I don't, I just don't know how that like one of the most reliable cars in

the world. I felt bad for them because they had this whole crew there. But like they were probably

just surprised you couldn't just hit restart. You know, that's a bummer. It was such a bar. How do

you, but maybe they've just got really unlucky with the engines that were in there. I don't

know if they were super high mileage Miata engines or what? It could be, it could be bad luck.

Certainly, certainly one could be bad luck. The first one could be bad luck. The second one,

I mean, uh, you know, unknown, unknown provenance, you know, could, could have possibly had a,

could have been on a ticking time bomb potentially. Yeah. I think it dropped, I heard them say like

it dropped a valve into something and then could also, I mean, bunch of people who race on computers,

maybe they're not so good at stick shift driving. I don't know. I, I wasn't close enough ever.

Yeah. I mean, maybe like it was fine. And then someone fucking money shifted it and didn't tell

anybody. I didn't pass them in the MG, which made me feel amazing. But I'm sure they were just getting

used to their car. So. Oh, it sucks. Yeah. What a bummer. I, I think I was on a team once the

blue two transmissions. You were. That was the last time you did. Yeah. No, I, I, I, that was the

last time I said I would get on a plane to go anywhere to do endurance racing, which again,

I'm about to do in a month, but that's Kota and it's, it's a little more serious car. Well,

trauma plus time equals comedy. So it's been, that was what, how long ago was that, that race you

did with a double trans six years, probably 19. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. You're gonna have so much

fun. It was a bummer. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, right. So Dylan optics, our sponsor for 15 years is,

is under new ownership. And, and we have been dropped as a, as an advertiser after 15 years,

which I'm not upset about. I, I understand. I'd rather have had an advertiser for 15 years

and be dropped under new ownership than, than to not have had them at all. I do wish our person

there had maybe given us a heads up. So he wouldn't have ordered that extra round of t-shirts for them

to include with, with glasses like so close to it, but they should send us a consolation mini gun.

Yeah. For the t-shirts. But they, they, they wiped the website and there's all new like

glasses. They got rid of every all the old styles. And so I really had liked these two pairs. So

these are the last two pairs of these. And I thought if you wanted one, you can, you can have one.

I know you like these. Which ones are which ones are they? I still have two. Do you have two like

new, new box? I still have two new in box. Yeah. Cause I, these are the, like, like these, these

styles. Oh yeah. I have, you, you keep, I have these ones. I have a white one and I have a black

one right now. Okay. And they're in good shape. Yeah. They're in good shape. Okay. Cool. Because

man, this is, this is, I'm treating these like, these are the last, like the sponges. Like I

have to be like, do I want to, do I want to bring these glasses? Are these Dylan worthy? Because

you, it's not like they were just paying me to wear this stuff. They didn't even pay us all that

much. We really, really just enjoyed wearing the glasses. True. These are fucking, these are,

these are my jam. Yeah. Yeah. You know, those, those pairs are for you for sure. I offered to buy the

last, the last of them and they said that they would include them. But and if you're out there

and you work at a sunglasses company and you want to have your sunglasses featured in every single

video we do, hit us up on Instagram. Yeah. So that's fun. Not really, but we got two last,

two last pairs of glasses. 17 years with them, right?

2010. So yeah. So 15 years. All right. Yeah. They, they, they win the record for longest

advertiser by a lot. And then before we get to questions with the people, you know, we're,

we're doing a really good event with Road and Track. If you want to come drive with me in

November, it's going to be first week of November. Actually, you could fucking double

header hang out with me if you want, because we're going to the Hilton Head concourse. I've

never been. It's in Hilton Head, South Carolina, right near where my folks place is. So me and the

old man are going to go hang out at the Hilton Head concourse for a day or two. Come on down,

say hello. That'll be fun. Play a little golf. And then we've got right after that starting in

Atlanta, the Blue Ridge 500, which has got, for the first time ever, two track days. We've got

Porsche Experience Center driving Porsches. We've got Atlanta Motorsports Park driving

your own cars. We've got some fabulous hotels. We've got Tale of the Dragon, Cheryl Hall of

Skyway, and an amazing drive route from Knoxville to Nashville. I ran it in a 911 S last month,

and it was absolutely fabulous. And actually, I'm driving it in something even better. So

if you want to come drive with me, signups are open now, but there's like, I think four spots

left. Maybe it's right. It's this one's going to fill up. It's like maybe four spots left,

and down in Georgia and North Carolina and Tennessee. It's going to be super, super fun

experiences.roadandtrack.com. Should we go to the people? We've left the patrons hanging for a

while. I don't know. Did we get much? We didn't do much. We did zero Patreon questions last time,

but these are the questions that were posted on that show. Oh, from that? So I saved them.

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And let's see what they have to say. Explorer, I hardly knew her, says,

I'm looking for at the new prelude. I'm not sure who this vehicle is for. Who wants a sporty GT

economy coupe with a hybrid Atkinson powertrain linked up to a CVT? I'm hearing it starting at

40k. Also, I don't see the market. What am I missing? Zach, do you have thoughts on the new

prelude? No, I think it's like, it's a surprising move considering it's a coupe and we're seeing

coupes sold less and less. The news is saying it's a big hit with mature men in Japan.

So it's the new Solera. Yes. Is that what you're saying? I think that's what we're saying.

I think it looks weird. You think it looks weird? Oh, it's nice. I think it looks like a mid-engine.

The profile of it looks mid-engine, which it's not. So I think it's a little, I don't know.

That's fair. It does look. It's not the previous fault. Like, look, pedestrian crash standards. So

you have the super rounded hood where it used to. And then actually, I bet if you put it next to a

Mustang, it would actually have a pretty similar profile. Maybe it's a little shorter in the front.

Yeah, I just, I don't think it's like amazing looking, but it's just, it's the times. I hope it's

fun. I also haven't seen one in person. Yeah, that matters. I don't know. CVT, hybrid powertrain,

coupe. I mean, look, it's not for me. Right. So maybe they, maybe they, maybe they see a market

that I don't know for that car. I hope. There's fucking Soleras around. Like, they sold those

things. There's a bunch of them around. So they're for somebody. Yep. True. Yeah. What else do we

have? Bush did 997. What are some of your scariest moments in a car?

Scary. I mean, the times I've crashed.

Yeah. Hearing, hearing when you didn't mean to make that sound. Sure.

Now, I was paired up with a Mexican like radio broadcaster for the Lexus RCF launch and the drive

portion of it. And she was a frighteningly bad driver. And, you know, there's only so much you

can say when you're in the car, but suffice to say at the driver change when it became my turn to

drive. I, I found it was very easy to just tell her what to put in her story about the car so that

she didn't have to drive anymore. And that was the end of it. So the scariest part only lasted

about 20 minutes, but she was, it was a, she was a very, very bad driver. Riding with people you

don't trust and that are doing things wrong is a very concerning moment. Yeah. That was the last

time I kind of, I'm a little bit of a dick about it now. If I go on press launches and it's a shared

thing, I will only go if I can approve the person I'm sharing a car with. And I assume not everybody

does that, but like sorry, like been in too many scary situations with people and I'm not naming

names, but like no. Well, there was that famous story of the journalist wrote the story about

crashing McLaren bike in the passenger seat. Like, you know, another journalist could cause you a big

problem. Rolex LT, Lariat King Ranch. Besides a minivan, what very pedestrian car have either of

you driven thinking, wow, this is way more fun than I imagined it would be? For me, it was a

bone stock based manual Mazda two. Yeah, those are actually all right. Now the Mazda two is not bad.

There was a spec series for a while with those Honda fit a lot. Honda fits are good. Really good.

Way more fun. I mean, I don't know about fun, but like the Lexus ES 350 F sport is pretty not

terrible. That car is stuck in my terrible memory as a great thing to drive. Those are those are

pretty decent actually. Yeah. They drift well too. They do.

I mean, like basic ass like Hondas from the 1990s, like civics with double wishbones is

like the civic hatches and shit like them things rip. I drove a skyline like a small one of the

ones that was like the two liter turbo and that was pretty fun. That was a nice car to drive. Like

if I was going to go through the trouble of getting a skyline, I'd want to get that. But like

the existing like this is that's a nice little car was that's cool.

4k Libya. What is the other yellow dial watch I wear Rolex Oyster Perpetual 41 yellow.

It's nice. I like it very much to it's black colors. Live axle rose says lots of people have

tried to remake top gear, but no one has tried to remake the radio show car talk where callers

call in about their automotive issues. Car talk is what got me hooked on cars and thought it would

be a good podcast format to reboot. Who would be your pick? Mine would be Freddie and Rich Benoit.

Yeah, those are good choices. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think either of those guys

want to fucking diagnose people's cars by phone. We're doing that. This is what this is. We just

don't have to like actually do the phone bit. We can read the we can read the comment here.

I also wonder, I wonder if if the number of questions meaning like has gone down because

so many cars are computer controlled in so many ways. Like a lot of the questions on car talk

where I'm hearing this sound or now if it feels weird, if it drives weird, if there's a clunk,

sure you can still call about that. That's still a thing. But nowadays it's like plug in the computer

and see what it says. Scan it. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn. Love it. Love it. I own a 2020 BMW

M240 convertible that I would like to give to my college age daughter. The wife says it's too

dangerous and isn't having it. NTSB crash fatality data doesn't imply convertibles are more dangerous

than coups or sedans. In fact, they may be more safe. Who is right here and how do I win this one?

Okay, so specifically your wife is saying it's too dangerous because it's a convertible, not

because it's like a really fast BMW. That's what we're assuming. The wife may have provided more

information that the editor here is not giving us. Maybe, yes, but the implication is coups versus

convertibles. I mean, you're talking about really rollover and I'm pretty sure that BMW has pop-up

roll hoops in the event of a rollover and it will have a very strong A-pillar. So, I mean,

there might be some incrementally small risk of decapitation if you drive under a semi or

something without a Jane Mansfield situation. Does it not have roll-over hoops? I'm looking.

I don't think it's inherently more dangerous because it's a convertible. I don't have kids,

but I would not put... It does have a rollover bar because there's a YouTube video called

How to Remove Rollover Bar. There are certain convertibles. I understand that you make you

think that, but this is a modern... Older Miata is that they didn't have a pop-up bar,

so if you were taller than that seat or if the seat gave way, you're having a problem.

But I wouldn't worry about it in this car in particular. No. I would wager that the crash

fatality data might be because there's... I bet convertibles are owned by older people in general

and they're probably getting less accidents. Yeah. I think it's probably fine. I think they're

more likely to get broken into if they're left outside. That's one thing I would...

And that's a really expensive repair. Yeah. I'd be much more concerned about that than

what would happen in a crash with a convertible. That's big, beautiful engine bill. I love it,

but also I hate it. Yeah. Only one of those is bullshit.

Oh, hey guys. What's up with this Instagram page called Angela's Death Highway?

Is it someone poking fun or someone who doesn't fit into a club lashing out? It just seems odd.

I think it's satire. Yeah. It's like AI slop satire, but apparently I'm... Did you see I was

lampooned in the second one? I did. I did see it. Fortunately, it's just that I have cats.

It's you have cats. I have cats. Yeah. And the AI person didn't look at all like you.

I didn't know it was supposed to be you until it was in front of a pink convertible horseshow.

Talk about cats. Yeah. Which like, okay, fine. I'm not upset that someone just put...

He has cats. All right, fine, whatever. Okay. Obviously, it's someone poking fun.

Maybe someone who truly doesn't like someone, although I thought even the one poking fun

of Magnus was like fairly lighthearted in a sense. I thought that was funny.

The first one I did, you sent me the first one, which I did think was actually like pretty funny.

Yeah. There's some clever writing in there. The guy that runs it, I don't know who he is,

I will say that, but he DMed me and he said that he's going to start asking permission to lampoon

people instead of just doing it. That's probably someone who's genuinely just trying to be funny

and not someone who's actually got a problem with something. Because I think the way they...

There's a video where they poke fun at the Angeles Crest crowd, the Newport crowd,

and the track crowd. Yeah. It's like, all right. So they know SoCal car culture. They're making fun

of all... This isn't a track person who's making fun of only Canyon people. They're encompassing

the whole world. I thought it was pretty funny. I thought it was pretty funny. Yeah. I was...

I mean, I was not offended by it. The Newport Beach one was so funny. It was like,

I can't believe people Porsche sells cars to these people that buy them.

The one... What was the one line I used to... Oh my God. It was a couple of days ago when you

sent it to me with one of those lines. I was like, die. Oh my God. It was great. But I thought it was

funny. I'm on the LIE to hell. That's fucking good. If you could burden your co-host with a

70s, 80s era, neoclassical car is there daily for a year in honor of these Stutts,

Dusenberg, and Pembroke. Well, we want to give... Are we giving each other a bad car or a 70s,

80s car that we would like? Well, so neoclassical... You know what a neoclassical car is?

Like an Excalibur. Okay. Right. Like, I would want an Excalibur. I'd want you to have an Excalibur.

They're so funny. They're the best. I mean, they're the best ones of those, right?

I would give you the car that my neighbor had. He moved out now. But it was a coachbuilder in

Santa Barbara in the 70s. And at the time, the cars were $200,000. It was called like a Cavalina

or something. But it has like a 4302 in it. It sounds good. It sounds like a Fox body,

but it looks like an Excalibur. There's a guy in my neighborhood that has a

cord. It looks like a 30s cord, but it was built in the 70s, like under license.

Those are cool. Yeah, it was kind of neat. Those like... Have you seen the...

There's a couple... There's a guy who's got a boat tail speedster replica in Malibu,

the black silver one. Like, it's not... I like... I don't like replicas really, but like,

if I was forced to roll something like that, I would roll that. What about I give you a

Legends car? That's neoclassical. Not street legal. In Florida.

Yeah. I tried to get a Legends car last minute for performance car of the year. I think we have

to do it next. Because we wanted like a wild card. Yes. Oh, well, yeah. Wild card. Yeah. Well,

you should see what we found. Oh, okay. The wild card that we wanted kind of fell through. Okay.

So we got... Do you know that Segway makes a stand-up scooter like Razor style scooter or

bird scooter or scout scooter called the GT3 that has full suspension, big disc brakes,

like mountain bike brakes. It's two-wheel drive. What? And in eco mode, supposedly,

supposedly grain assault goes 100 kilometers on range. But in like race mode, it will do

50 miles an hour. And it's a stand-up scooter. Yes. That's wild. Have you seen the...

like the Razor scooter racing thing? Yes. With like full leathers and stuff. Well, so

Emmett White, who writes for Road and Track, got himself a set of like Alpine Stars MotoGP

leathers and fucking Ran Labs of Wonder Hill and this thing. Awesome. Did he ever fall? He did not

fall. Yeah, good. A few of us wrote it. It's basically almost unrideable in like race mode.

In sport mode, I would describe it as hairy. But then we're like finishing up and they're like

to Segway like, hey, how do we get this thing back to you? And they're like, eh, just hang on to it.

Everyone else is flying home. I'm driving home. I've got a car. It folds. It fit in the back seat

of the RS3. And now we have a Segway GT3. Awesome. It is. It fucking rips. This thing is so...

And I brought it. It was in the back of the car. So I brought it to Pebble Beach. You know,

I didn't want to like drive around for the weekend within the back. So I had the hotel like put it

with the where the golf bags go. And then I woke up early the Monday morning. We were going to leave.

But Hannah had to do a work call from 7.30 to 9. And I had this. The scooter was there.

And they're really cool at the hotel. I was like, I don't have anything to like do.

I was like, hey, let me get the scooter out. And I got the scooter out and fucking threw it in sport

mode. And I rode like six, seven miles of 17 mile drive. I went down to the lodge and like got coffee

and like fucking did a bunch of the, you know, looped it around. And I was like, oh, this thing

is great. It was so fun. That's very cool. Yeah. Oh, now we have that a good time. Perfect. My car's

out of commission. And you'll get to see, uh, you'll get to see the lap time, uh, how it compares to

an actual 911 GT3 and a performance car of the year. Uh, racing bulls on parade,

currently driving cross country and my friends Elise OMG. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. They just want to,

oh, we want to sneak our way through Tucson and up in Vegas before spending time in LA. Oh,

wow. Well, this was from last week. Oh, they're done. They're probably done. I hope you made it.

And I hope you have a good, uh, physical therapist and possibly neurosurgeon. I needed both after my,

after I did that very drive. Isaiah Stanley best, what are the best 80 to 80s to 90s drivers cars

under a hundred thousand bucks, uh, air cooled, nine 11s and SC probably, uh, Corvette ZR one,

get a, uh, uh, like a 95, 96 Corvette ZR one for sure. Uh, you could get, you could probably get

a fur, uh, you could put 15,000 miles on a Ferrari 328. Could you get a 348 for that money?

You get a 308, 328 or 348 for that money. That's a lot of cool car. You could also probably get

a, you could get a 360, um, F one, probably with miles on it and put some more miles on it and

they will be cheap. You could get any E 30 pretty much, which would be pretty nice. You could get

a mid years, um, NSX and put 50, you know, you buy a hundred thousand mile NSX or 115,000 miles

and you drive for two years, sell it with 130. That's the same basically for the market. You

know, you keep a nice mark for Supra. Those just, those just take miles. No problem. Yeah.

They're not as engaging to me, but they're not. Yeah. You could get an R 30, a great, a pretty

good R 32 skyline. That would be good. Yeah. Lots of options. Hundred K is a lot of money.

You could get it. You could get a, uh, you can get, uh, well, it's too new, but I mean,

you get a great 996 turbo. That's like, oh, two, um, you could get, um, I mean, you can get a great,

uh, E 46 M three. You get a great 39 M five. You could get an E 30 M three.

Or there was a, was the E 36 M five, the, um, no, not 34 34. Yeah. Those are cool. Those are fun.

Yeah. There's a lot of options in that, that price pain. Uh, Columbia presents the coking tire.

All right. A lot of words in this one. You know what I mean? Real chatty. Recommendations,

recommendations for a luxury sedan to replace a Julia quad. Uh, had it for a year,

a little too hardcore for daily use. Um, looking at maybe, uh, hot rod E class models,

uh, looking for a luxury four door physical buttons for climate and radio up to 60 K.

Huh. I'll look up the interior of this. All right. You're not going to like this.

Genesis G 70 rear drive twin turbo V six, better interior than the Alpha.

True. Mostly real buttons. True. Pretty fast. Yeah. Doesn't sound bad. Those are all right.

Um, yeah. Use, use D classes. That's like the 2013, uh, to 15 or so. Yeah. That's what they're

choice. The Genesis is a really nice car. I drove one of those for a week. Yeah. You get one of

those new. Yeah. Oh, that's a good point. The one we drove was like 53 grand brand new. Yeah.

Keep the warranty for sure. Yeah. Um, that's a nice car. You may not like this physical buttons

for climate and radio 60 K. How about a, how about a lightly used CT four V blackwing? Oh,

yeah. If you could find one of those. Yeah. Cause they still have the same piano across the middle.

Uh huh. Yeah. That's a good car. They have the buttons. I'd rather have that than the gen, the

Genesis is a nicer interior. Like it looks more opulent. Yeah. But, um, I think there's fewer

screens and haptic stuff in the Cadillac. Yes. CT four blackwing would be, that would be all right.

Hawk Tua Tara. So good. That rules. Man, did that chick disappear quickly, huh? She's getting

investigated by the SEC. Yeah. I mean, thou shall not do a rug pull. It seems, I thought,

it's funny. Coffee Zilla told me that there weren't laws, but maybe that's not entirely true.

I think it, uh, if you're very powerful, there are not laws. If you're, if you're Hawk to a girl,

that's right. Yeah. If you're the president, you can do that. Not if you're, I see. Uh,

when pulling away from a stop in a manual transmission car, do you let off the clutch

by rocking your foot back on your heel first or just pulling your whole foot back with your leg?

I always rock my foot back unless I'm driving a car where the ergonomics require full leg

movement, like old trucks. You usually like your foot is aimed downward or sorry, your leg is so

vertical that you can't rock your foot. You just have to pull your leg back. Yeah. I mean, I, I,

I pull my toes up and then my whole foot follows. Like I, like I've, I lean my foot back until I

usually find the friction point. Yeah. And then by that point, I also want to move my leg for

comfort. It also depends if the friction point is low or high. True. If it's low, then you can kind

of do that. If it's high, you have no real choice, but to lift your entire foot. I adapt to the vehicle

and it depends on the vehicle more than it depends on my personal desire. Uh, the pole stars, pole

star, I want a splash of color in my life. Uh, to tide me over until I turn in my chalk mccon

and get a yellow black wing next year. Good for you with the fucking. See the problem with that

yellow is it's called cyber yellow. You can't tell anybody that, but it still does look cool.

It was the color of the press car. I drove. It was fun. Uh, I've been trying to hunt down the

purple version of a notice sector. Oh, oh, a watch. Okay. What other, uh, there wasn't a

purple version of a notice. Oh, a sector GMT. Uh, what other brands have a decent purple dial?

Uh, I don't know, man. That's a, for that money, they should go to that same watch page.

We've talked about, uh, and horology lab and just have a custom. Well, you could totally do

that. That's actually a great idea. I was going to say the LA watch show that happened. We've

referred to a bunch of times. This is right in that price point. And on that page, the splash page

was all with all the brands. Yeah. The intersect LA page. Yeah. I, I, my, I want to help. I didn't,

I should have read this to myself before reading it out loud, but, um, uh, I, I can't access that

what brands have a good purple. Like I, I, as a color blind guy, I can't, I can't access that part

of my brain. Sorry. Uh, steel beams melt jet fuel. Uh, okay. Does it make sense to keep watches on

winders versus letting the power reserve run out? Um, I, uh, I am a big fan of letting the watch

run out. The only reason I would keep a watch on a winder is if it had some real complicated

movement, like a perpetual calendar or something where if it stopped moving, it would be a real

pain in the ass to set it again. So those are the only watches I've ever kept on winders was a

perpetual. The other ones they want, they, they die. You pick them up when it's time to wear them,

you set them, you wind them, and then you're good to go. So I let them die. Yeah. Um,

okay. Sorry. Curtis Bowman says, what would be the race series or singular race? We would run if

we were given a free entry and could pick the car you would drive as well. Could be hill climb,

rally, endurance, whatever I'd want to do either Millie, Milia, target, Newfoundland,

target, Floreo, or like target Tasmania, one of the, one of the, a far away road rally with

some closed sections. Yeah. I don't want to, I think I would lean toward the Targas because I

feel like the cars are more modern and faster. The Milan, Milan, Miglia now seems like a parade

with a, some craziness mixed into it, but the cars are also very old. Yeah. I mean,

if we're talking fantasy cars, then you and I are in a Ferrari 250 Tessarosa.

Oh, sure. Ripping. Right. The roads are closed. Yeah. That'd be magical.

If it's like reality, like, like, yes, we get a free entry, but we have to like have a car that's

like attainable for like regular people. I mean, I think the answer is Safari 911.

Safari 911 on one of the Targas. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yeah. Those cars move around a little bit.

And we're like, you know, if it's, are those full tarmac? Are there dirt sections?

I don't know. I think it varies. I think Newfoundland is all tarmac. I think it's surface streets.

I'd want to do a mixed surface. It has to be mixed surface. Yeah. And that rally that's work does.

The Colorado hill climb thing. Yeah. That seems, I really want to do that. Yeah. And the right car

for that is a Maki. I want something louder. I mean, you'll win for sure. A Maki rally with a

cage would be a great car. And actually Ford might be interested in making that happen.

A fan DM'd me like a couple of days ago and said that he was doing a local regional rally cross

and someone showed up in a Maki rally and said destroyed everybody in the all wheel drive stock

class and was only beaten by like a couple, like professional grade hill climb cars. I bet.

Presumably driven by professional grade drivers. Yeah. You know, like this dude just showed up

and just like merked people. It is Maki. That's awesome. God, I hope it's least, you know. That's

what that car should be used for. That is the, I will die on the hill that that is the most

underappreciated car in the market right now. Ford, if you're listening, put a cage in a Maki

rally and let's do the Colorado hill climb. That would be so fun. How long is the course?

It's not, it's not too long.

What's it called? It's not, is it Mount Evans hill climb? I don't know.

The only problem with the Maki rally that I could foresee is that when I did performance EV of the

year two, two years ago, I only got full power for like maybe three laps of the track.

So that could be an issue. We'd have to, we'd have to have them set it to like nuclear,

just to make sure that you had full kill the whole time. Yeah. Or maybe Vaughn would let us

use his like electric, like that thing. All right. I can't find it. So

Chevy D list celebrity wagon thoughts on rebuying a car you've owned before.

Oh, that's a tough one. Have you ever redated a girl that you've dated before?

Cause I have it. It did not fucking go well.

It never, yeah. I have, I mean, well, I will have it. Yeah. And I didn't marry any of them.

So I think that tells you how it goes. Yeah.

Yeah. If I sell a car, I'm mentally done with that car. I have, I now have enough space and

resources where I could keep a car for indefinitely if I wanted to. So people every, well, let me

just put it this way. Anytime someone who owns a car I've owned before wants to sell it,

the very first thing they do is DM me. So I know that my old Corvette has had like four

different owners since me. The Mustang is on like, you know, owner or whatever. And they always,

Hey, you know, I'm looking to sell, you know, do you want? No, I don't miss these things.

Like they can go, but would you? I think anytime I see an O six STI, I go,

Oh, cause I have such fond memories, but I'm sure if I drove one around again for like a week,

I'd go, Oh yeah. Okay. I mean, I had the experience. I will never be able to replicate

how much fun I had in that car. So yeah. Um, okay. Uh, basically this Donnie's cellmate says,

thoughts on Soviet watches like Raketa. I feel like every watch collector has a phase where

they discover Soviet watches and Soviet watches are pretty funny. They're like the design on them

is like insane. The numbers are really nuts looking. They tick like fucking time bombs because

like, of course they do. Um, and they're cheap. You know, you can, you can get a pretty cool looking

funky watch for like, you know, under, under two or $300. And, uh, and some of them do look cool.

I had one or two back in the day. I buy them. I wear them once or twice. I get sick of them.

They don't, they're not really waterproof. The movements are like, okay. You know,

so it's, uh, you know, I don't know if it's one of those things where, if you're in that phase of

like buying like, I want to have 12 watches that are cheap just so I can have like a big,

you know, collection, then it's a good thing to have and wear once in a while. But both of the

ones I had, I ended up like giving away to my nephew or something. Uh, I was not all that into

them. Uh, manual, transmission, Harry position. That's fucking great. Uh, studio underdog watches.

What are your thoughts? Uh, they're very cool. I wish they made a 40 millimeter. All their watches

are like 37. So they're too small for me. Otherwise I would have bought one. They're really cool.

They're really cool. The colors are rad. They're the, the vibe is really fun. If they come out with

40 or 41, I'm, I'm in, but not at 37. Um, okay. Uh, Stone Cold E T says my sister-in-law,

I think that's or maybe son-in-law S I L just bought an electric Kona other than EV rated

winter tires. What else? Oh, should she, I guess that sister-in-law do to prepare for a northern

British Columbia winter. She does not have indoor parking or charging at her apartment.

Ooh, that sucks. Uh, PS, she hasn't had a car in winter in 30 years. So this could be tough because

let's, I mean, if you have outdoor parking for an EV and no charging, you can't use any of the

benefits of like preheating the battery and the cabin off the grid. You have to use the car to do

that. So like when people talk about the EV range sucking in the winter, it's mainly if you cold

start it like, like your sister-in-law is going to have to do. It'll be fully cold soaked to who

God knows what 30 below overnight. And it's going to take so much energy to get that thing warm.

Your range is fucked. Like whereas if you could plug it in overnight and you use the app and say

I'm leaving at 8am, it'll precondition everything like before you get in the car using the home

power and your range will be much more like it would have been normally. It'll still be a little

lower, but not nearly like low like it is. Like your sister-in-law is, I hope she doesn't have to go

very far. Basically she should prepare to have a much reduced range. And does the car feel different

when it's super cold when you first start cold starting it? I mean, it won't like give you full

power, but I'm guessing this person isn't just like flooring it out of her apartment every day.

But yeah, so winter tires and just shorter trips. Yeah. I mean, if the advertised range is 300,

but you're cold starting it like this, I bet you get 150. It's going to use so much energy to get

that battery out. Wow. It just, yeah. That means she probably needs to be really diligent about

charging before she goes home because it might be two, three days in a row depending on what your

drive is each day. But if it's, tell her the first time she cold starts it on a really cold day to

look at how much the range has changed from when she arrived home. And then you have to do that math.

How many days you can do that before you have no battery?

Paul says if you could turn any SoCal road into a permanent hill climb where you would pay and

drive like the Nurburgring, which would you choose? That's a fun one. Spunky Canyon?

Oh, that's a fun one. That's a, yeah, you got a lot of long straight stuff and then it gets real

tight. Yeah. I would do the whole length of Spunky Canyon road where you have a really fast section

that then dives into a very technical section with good camber. That could be really fun.

If you want it to be slightly safer, I think something like big to hunger, you know, a little

more sweepy a little bit and the speeds aren't too high. Sure. That's a nice one too.

How about Sand Canyon?

I don't, it's okay. Up and over. Yeah. I just don't think that's that great. Okay.

Christian says I'm 30 and have never had the opportunity to learn how to drive a stick.

My dad has an 84RX7. If I learned on that, would it translate to other modern cars? Yep,

sure would. That's the best thing about stick. It's permanent. Yep.

We didn't learn on modern cars. We learned on old cars because that's what was around.

Two dope boys in a mountaineer. That's fucking great. I love that. It was more like six dope

boys. We roll six up three rows. TVs everywhere. After your reviews, I leased a Mach-E premium

rear wheel drive and have been loving it since the EV credit is gone. What do you think they

used EV market will do? Should I consider buying the lease out? Even if it's a two-year lease,

I think you have a couple of months to figure that out. I think the used EV market will be bolstered

slightly. It'll go up. If the price of new ones go up, the price of used ones will,

at least maybe if not go up, the depreciation will slow. As someone who owns a used luxury EV,

I'm in that boat too. Is their buyout price locked in before the EV credits went away?

Well, that's kind of good. The buyout price is locked in from the day you sign the lease.

Okay. You know how much you're going to have to pay. You can wait until that day.

This is other than ensuring you have another car. You've got to be ready to turn it in or

ready to buy it out and ready to make a move based on either. But you don't need a whole

ton of foresight to do that. So they could watch what's happening with the used market,

which is great. And then you might find yourself in a position where your buyout price is

lower than the market rate, which would be incredible. It's like when people were buying

the Saab 9-2X back in the day and selling it for more.

My guess is if your miles are like any other car, if your miles are way under,

it may make sense to buy the lease. If your miles are close to the allocated miles or over,

then it's probably not worth it. That's just my napkin math. There's a lot of nuance there.

But you don't have to know that now. You can figure that out with a few days notice and be

ready to go. Chase Carr says, what's the better daily weekend combo from GM and Porsche? Okay,

wait, wait. Oh, okay, wait. So a black wing daily in a 911 or Cayman as a weekend car versus a

McCann or Panamera daily in a Corvette weekend car, $150k for both cars.

Living here, I would go McCann daily Corvette weekend car. That's what I would do.

CTS-V is awesome, but as a daily noise fuel consumption, stiff, low, around here, it would

just be stupid. I agree. Yeah, McCann daily and Corvette weekend car would probably be all right.

It would have to be a good Corvette. Yes. But that's what I would, that's where I'd be.

Yeah. What are used Z06s going for? I mean, it would have to be a C8 Z06. I'm not buying

a regular one, but it would have to be. I'll tell you what, the best thing about the ZR1 is that

it's a Corvette. I mean, it's, you know, it's not precious. It will never be precious. And like,

that's great because it means, A, they'll, they'll, however many the market wants to buy,

they'll build 20 more than that. Right. And so they're going to depreciate, maybe not forever,

maybe not as fast, but like, man, when the ZR1 gets to 100k, that's crazy. Let me tell you

something, you better be ready with 100k because they're worth the money new. But if you're an

enthusiast and you're going, I'm never going to afford a McLaren or a P star and that kind of shit,

figure out how to save a hundred over three or four years and the ZR1 will come to you.

Oh, sorry, I'll do that. Oh, Stu Dogg has a customer, a Patreon issue,

but Zach, as it says, noted. Okay. Okay, wait, thoughts, 2007, LL being outback thoughts on the

M2 CS, the old one compared to other sports cars in 70 to 90k seems to have held up. It's held up

as an investment perspective. They're rad. Those last M2s were a good time. They came in manual

too, didn't they? You get both transmissions. Suspension on them was incredible. Yeah, they were

fun. I probably could get used to it over time. Like it's not the kind of thing that would like

keep me excited constantly. Like I bet it was, I remember it was great for like a week, but like

if I had it for a year, I'd kind of be like, okay, you know, this is the thing. So I don't see it as

like a forever car, but like the M1 and these M2 CS is, you can put a few thousand miles on them

for what seems like free, you know, which is pretty cool. I was that good compared to the GT350,

Cayman, GTS and Camaro SS, ZL1. Well, is that, I mean, the Mustangs and Camaros are bigger.

That's the biggest thing. They're both faster and they're both bigger. So like that, the M2 is small.

The Cayman GTS is very small and mid-engine. So like the M2's virtue is that it's very,

very fast and very, very small. Not very, but also like luxurious inside. It's very comfortable.

It's got all the modern stuff. Like it definitely feels like an upscale car compared to the GT350

or the Camaro. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're not putting people in the back seat all the time,

then it actually does have a lot of room for the front seat. They're like, they're very good.

Yeah. Yeah, I like them. One more. And then I have to stop the show to pee. Matt's

matzo ball soup. That's Carl's matzo ball soup. I have no matzo ball soup of my own. I'm very

fortunate to make Carl's. I should make it soon. It's been a long time. Getting more into track

driving. Should I upgrade my F87 M2 or get something like a BRZ for the track? I mean,

comes down to money and space. I mean, if you, you know, if you, wait, like,

I don't understand, like, is this a second car? Get a BRZ second car is what we're thinking here.

This means? Yeah, I think it's, should I upgrade my M2 or should I get a BRZ?

I think as a dedicated track car, as a dedicated track car. Well, I have,

haven't we learned about, is there a fix for that oil back whole thing? I don't know.

Well, first figure out if that is, I probably wouldn't get a BRZ if you have an M2 as a street

car. I think it would probably feel slow. I'd probably get like a 2014 Mustang GT with a

maximum motorsports kit and run actual good time. That is the best performance bargain,

reliability bargain out there. Yeah. Yeah. That would actually be, you know,

or you could get an E36 track car with like the regular S52 or some or just like the M50 in it.

Cause then it'll again, it will have more horsepower or feel faster than the BRZ. The BRZ

engine just, the balance of those cars is so fun. There was one at Lemons lasted the whole time.

Bunch of people in the pack were saying that's probably going to be the new Lemons Miata because

Miata's just aren't cheap enough really anymore. They've gone up. So, yeah.

What this last one is real quick and then we're going to end here. Trogador the burninator.

Should I have any concerns taking my notice canyon through airport security,

do X-rays, et cetera, have any negative impact on mechanical watches? No, you should have no,

no issue at all taking any mechanical watch through an X-ray machine. I will, I refuse to

take my watches off at airport security in any country. Rob Ferretti's Panerai was stolen at

airport security. Uh, that doesn't necessarily mean all airport security is inherently unsafe.

And I don't not only fear monger, but like they're, they're, they don't ask you to people just

automatically take their watches off. But like you, I've, I've fly so much. No watch has ever

set off airport fucking security for me. And if they absolutely insist you take it off,

bury that shit inside your bag. Like don't just like put it in a tray

and send it through like, yeah, no, um, but keep it on, keep it on. Uh, that's our show folks.

Thank you for, uh, your patience, uh, as I traveled and we had to do a remote show,

get ahead, all those things back in the studio now for a little bit. And, uh, yeah,

road and track experiences. If you want to come drive with me in November, Willow Springs this

weekend, Saturday, all day, it's going to be great fun. Come out and see the show, say hi.

And, um, thank you to our patrons for such great questions. We will see you guys on Thursday. Bye.

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