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TMCP #652: Double Bonus Racing Show! | Brandon Setzer on Late Model Racing | Tyler West on RacingJunk & Grassroots Motorsports

TMCP #652: Double Bonus Racing Show! | Brandon Setzer on Late Model Racing | Tyler West on RacingJunk & Grassroots Motorsports

The MuscleCar Place Jun 24, 2026 55 min
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About this episode

A doubleheader from Charlotte, North Carolina, spotlights late-model racing and the grassroots ecosystem around it. Brandon Setzer explains how late models fit into the path toward NASCAR, why “Everything on the car is the same other than the engine,” and how driver development hinges on “The biggest thing we look at is attitude.” Tyler West breaks down RacingJunk’s reach and why racetracks struggle with “skyrocketing overheads.” The show also includes a Charlotte Summer Shootout update, plus a “stealth beetle” conversation and a crash-and-restart race recap.

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late models

"So this is a high level look at what late models are. We're doing what are called pro late models, and I'm learning this as I go."

“Late models” are race cars used in a popular style of American short-track racing. They look like regular cars from the outside, but they’re built specifically to race, and there are different levels of the class.

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super late model

"A pro late model can become a super late model with nothing but an engine change. So a pro late model is typically like a 400 horsepower stock car, a super late models way more."

A “super late model” is the faster, more advanced version of late model race cars. The big idea here is that you can move up by upgrading key parts—especially the engine.

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engine change

"A pro late model can become a super late model with nothing but an engine change. So a pro late model is typically like a 400 horsepower stock car, a super late models way more."

An “engine change” just means swapping the engine. In racing, that can be the difference between one class of car and a higher class.

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Chevrolet Chevelle

"It looks it's the same body, but it's an entirely different chassis. And the chassis is more like a 70 Chevelle."

They’re comparing the race car’s frame/chassis to a classic 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle. It’s a way to help you picture the shape and layout, not that it’s literally a street Chevelle.

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Bush series car

"It'd be more like a, well, what we used to call the Bush series car [260.2s] and O'Reilly series car, but, you know, A arms up front, truck arm, rear suspension."

The “Bush series” is an older name for a NASCAR series that’s now called the Xfinity Series. The speaker is basically saying the late-model car is similar to the kind of stock car you’d see in that NASCAR series.

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A arms up front

"and O'Reilly series car, but, you know, A arms up front, truck arm, rear suspension. [265.3s] That's what a late model stock is."

“A arms” are part of the suspension that helps hold the wheel in the right position. In racing cars, the way these arms are designed affects how the car turns and how well the tires stay planted.

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truck arm

"and O'Reilly series car, but, you know, A arms up front, truck arm, rear suspension. [265.3s] That's what a late model stock is."

A “truck arm” is a type of suspension arm used to control where the rear axle/wheels move. In a race car, that helps the tires keep grip and keeps the car stable when you’re turning or accelerating.

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O'Reilly series car

"and O'Reilly series car, but, you know, A arms up front, truck arm, rear suspension. [265.3s] That's what a late model stock is."

“O’Reilly series” is a sponsor-branded name tied to NASCAR series coverage. The host is using it like a reference point to explain that the late-model car’s suspension is set up similarly.

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Craftsman truck series

"The Craftsman truck series and the current O'Reilly series, [270.4s] they would be far more akin to that."

The “Craftsman truck series” is NASCAR’s Truck Series under a sponsor name. The host is saying that the cars in that series are more similar to late-model stock cars than other comparisons.

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Kyle Busch

"He didn't say it much in this interview, but he was actually hired by Kyle Busch [293.8s] because he was beating Kyle Busch and Kyle didn't like that. [298.1s] And he was beating Kyle Busch and far less equipment."

Kyle Busch is a famous NASCAR driver. The host is saying Brandon was beating him even with less equipment, which is why Busch’s side wanted to hire Brandon.

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3L Engineering

"I've been bombarded with videos for the stealth beetle from 3L Engineering. Do you know anybody with one of these cars? ... but I can tell you that they seem to have some relationship with whoever is making GT 40s."

3L Engineering is the company connected to the “stealth beetle” videos you’re hearing about. They’re presented as being involved in building these kinds of custom, performance-focused projects.

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mid mount LS3 setup

"It's a full replacement chassis for a beetle with a mid mount LS3 setup. It is awesome."

“Mid mount” means the engine is put closer to the middle of the car. “LS3” is a Chevy V8 engine, and using it in the middle is meant to help the car handle better.

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Hickory Motor Speedway

"He's got a late model race this weekend at Hickory Motor Speedway. And then he's got races five and six next Monday and Tuesday."

Hickory Motor Speedway is a race track where stock cars and late model cars compete. It’s the sort of place racers go to run real races, not just casual driving.

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Charlotte Motor Speedway

"So we did get to do a test session at Charlotte Motor Speedway. What a treat."

Charlotte Motor Speedway is a big, well-known oval race track in North Carolina. Teams use it to test their cars before races so they can dial in things like braking and handling.

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test session

"So we did get to do a test session at Charlotte Motor Speedway. What a treat. We split it with nine other cars and got four hours of track time."

A test session is when a racing team drives the car on the track to learn what’s working and what isn’t. It’s like practice, but with more focus on figuring out problems before the real race.

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hard braking

"And he didn't know it was wrong, but something was wrong on hard braking. There was a bad vibration."

Hard braking means slowing down really aggressively. Some car problems only show up when you brake hard, so racers watch for symptoms like shaking or vibration during braking.

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front brake rotors

"Well, we finally figured out before the race. And even though everything looked fine, checked out, fine, measured fine, it was one of the two front brake rotors. There's just something weird about it."

Front brake rotors are the metal discs your brake pads press against to stop the car. If a rotor is damaged or not smooth, the brakes can feel shaky or vibrate, particularly when you brake hard.

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fresh brake rotors

"So when Dallas went out to qualify for the race, he was on fresh brake rotors. You know, qualifying night like eighth, maybe."

It means the brake discs were new (or just redone) before the race. That can help the brakes work more predictably when you need to stop hard.

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qualifying night like eighth

"You know, qualifying night like eighth, maybe. So he's getting there."

Qualifying is when drivers set their starting spots for the race. Qualifying “eighth” means he started near the front, which usually helps you avoid getting stuck in traffic.

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restar ts

"There were numerous restarts in his race. And then I think on lap three or four, he worked his way to the inside."

A restart is when the race is stopped and then starts again. Everyone is trying to get a good position immediately, so it can get chaotic.

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inside lane

"And that's where you want to be here. You want to be in the inside lane. The dude ahead of him spun, coming out of turn four."

The inside lane is the line closer to the inside of the track. Drivers often try to pass there because it can be the shortest way around the corner.

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clear

"And then when Dallas went to clear him, the guy was spinning to the inside of the track. The guy saved it, but washed up the track doing it."

To “clear” someone means you finish passing them and get fully in front. Until you’re clear, they can still fight you for position.

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washed up the track

"The guy saved it, but washed up the track doing it. This all happened just in the, you know, a snap of the fingers."

“Washed up the track” means the car slid sideways toward the outside. That can be dangerous because other drivers may not expect it.

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legend's car

"That guy's left front hit Dallas's right rear on a legend's car. They can touch. And that instantly sent Dallas in the wall, right front hit the wall."

A “Legend’s car” is a particular kind of race car used in short-track racing. It’s designed for close, aggressive racing where cars run side-by-side.

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right rear

"That guy's left front hit Dallas's right rear on a legend's car. They can touch. And that instantly sent Dallas in the wall, right front hit the wall."

“Right rear” is the back-right corner of the car. A hit there can upset the car’s balance and make it hard to keep going straight.

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big one

"The radio broadcast said, this is the big one because it took out like five cars. As a result, it was a sucky, sucky night."

A “big one” means a big wreck involving multiple cars. It usually brings out a caution and can end a lot of drivers’ nights quickly.

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Mercedes-Benz Mercedes 300

"...race my Hooptie. And which was what it was a 1990 Mercedes 300 E. It ran like 1850s in the quarter mile, but bra..."

The Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3 is a luxury four-door car made in the late 1960s. It has a very large engine for its size, so it can accelerate quickly. People mention it because it’s a comfortable car that still performs like a fast car.

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Moroso Motorsports Park

"Yeah. Good example, Palm Beach, Moroso Motorsports Park. Awesome drag strip, great road course."

Moroso Motorsports Park is a racing track in Florida. It hosts both drag racing and road-course events, and it’s the kind of venue that can attract different crowds beyond just racers.

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drag strip

"Awesome drag strip, great road course. I don't know what the place brought in as a racetrack, but whenever it first hit the market, I think it was listed for like $75 million."

A drag strip is a track where cars race in a straight line to see which one accelerates fastest. It’s usually set up for short, timed races.

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road course

"Awesome drag strip, great road course. I don't know what the place brought in as a racetrack, but whenever it first hit the market, I think it was listed for like $75 million."

A road course is a type of race track with lots of turns. Cars have to brake, steer, and stay grippy through corners, not just go fast in a straight line.

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entertainment venue

"I have seen a few and that are taking some interesting approaches. They're turning into kind of an entertainment venue, not necessarily a racing venue. It's a racetrack that has races every weekend, but during the week carnivals, car shows, quilt fairs, all the other stuff, what's it going to take to"

This means the track is being used for more than just races. Instead, it hosts events that attract regular visitors, like car shows, to make money on slower days.

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racing junk

"You're still trying to be the man on a mission. You're just using racing junk to do it with exposure to the, what was it, millions of consumers that come to that website to peruse, buy stuff."

Here, “racing junk” means used racing stuff—like parts or cars people are selling. It’s a way to attract enthusiasts who are actively looking to buy.

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geotarget them

"And now they know, can you geotarget them? Yeah."

Geotargeting means targeting ads to people in certain places. So instead of advertising to everyone, you focus on fans in the area where the race is happening.

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nostalgia cars

"But when it comes to a partner track that says, Hey, we've got this big Labor Day weekend event, we're running nostalgia cars, like we can hone into vintage racing"

Nostalgia cars are older race cars (or replicas) that are brought out to celebrate the past. They’re used at events to create a “throwback” experience for fans.

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vintage racing

"we're running nostalgia cars, like we can hone into vintage racing of road course or dirt track or drag racing, because we have all of these"

Vintage racing is racing with older cars from earlier years. The goal is usually to keep the cars true to their original style and era.

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dirt track

"of road course or dirt track or drag racing, because we have all of these categories that we know people go to."

A dirt track is a race track made of dirt instead of pavement. Cars handle differently because the surface grips in a different way.

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drag racing

"of road course or dirt track or drag racing, because we have all of these categories that we know people go to."

Drag racing is racing in a straight line to see which car accelerates fastest. Cars usually run side-by-side and the quickest wins.

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geo targeting

"And then we can also do the geo targeting side of things of you want everybody west of the Mississippi."

Geo targeting is just another way of saying “ads for a specific area.” It helps race organizers reach the people most likely to care about their event locally.

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late model car

"So the things that are out of our control and the reason I went to you is [2088.7s] I don't know anything about a late model car. [2091.1s] I can look at one and say that's a late model car, but the nuances of setup"

A “late model car” is a type of race car used in local stock-car racing. It’s based on real cars you’d recognize, but it’s built and tuned for racing on short tracks.

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quarter of an inch adjustment

"knowing the quarter of an inch adjustment to be making on anything around there [2100.6s] that would take just like you said, it would take years, years to get proficient"

A “quarter of an inch adjustment” highlights how fine-grained racing tuning can be. In short-track racing, small changes to suspension geometry or components can noticeably alter tire contact and handling, so teams measure and adjust in fractions of an inch.

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go-karts

"Definition, you know, we kind of started in go-karts, went to bandoleros, [2152.5s] ran a little bit of that, got in a late model super truck,"

Go-karts are small race cars that many drivers start with. They’re a common first step because they help you learn how to drive fast and race clean.

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bandoleros

"we kind of started in go-karts, went to bandoleros, [2152.5s] ran a little bit of that, got in a late model super truck,"

Bandoleros are smaller race cars for younger drivers. They’re meant to be an early training step before moving up to bigger, faster stock-car classes.

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division at the local short track, tier wise

"It was probably the third or fourth division at the local short track, tier wise. [2174.3s] So kind of got my chance to move up, just being successful in the trucks."

At many local short tracks, races are grouped into different “divisions.” Moving up a division usually means you’re competing at a higher level with tougher competition and more serious cars.

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Ryan Blaney

"I mean, the super late models at the time, Ryan Blaney was running, [2206.5s] Chase Elliott was running."

Ryan Blaney is a NASCAR driver. The host is using him as an example of someone who was racing super late models before reaching higher-level NASCAR competition.

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Chase Elliott

"Ryan Blaney was running, [2206.5s] Chase Elliott was running. [2208.1s] Later, Christopher Bell, William Byron."

Chase Elliott is a NASCAR driver. The point here is that he (and others) were racing super late models, showing how that path can lead to bigger NASCAR stages.

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William Byron

"Later, Christopher Bell, William Byron. [2210.1s] So we got to race a lot of cool drivers that are now in the cup series"

William Byron is a NASCAR driver. The host is saying they raced drivers like him in super late models before those drivers moved up to NASCAR’s biggest series.

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Christopher Bell

"[2208.1s] Later, Christopher Bell, William Byron. [2210.1s] So we got to race a lot of cool drivers that are now in the cup series"

Christopher Bell is a NASCAR driver. The host is listing drivers who were racing super late models, showing that those cars can be a stepping stone to NASCAR.

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cup series

"So we got to race a lot of cool drivers that are now in the cup series [2213.8s] and truck series and Xfinity series."

The “Cup Series” is NASCAR’s main top-level racing series. The host is pointing out that the drivers they competed against locally later reached NASCAR’s biggest stage.

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Xfinity series

"and truck series and Xfinity series. [2216.1s] So growing up, it was really cool to be able to race those guys."

The Xfinity Series is NASCAR’s “next step down” from the Cup Series. Drivers often move into it after building experience in smaller racing categories.

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vet customers

"So what is it like to have to vet customers here? Like, when is a customer the wrong fit for you? Who don't you want coming to you to help?"

“Vet customers” here means screening prospective clients to determine whether they have the aptitude and commitment to benefit from coaching or race-car development. Brandon describes using early on-track tests and prior racing history to identify drivers who are a good fit.

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legend cars

"you see the people who don't have any potential and we usually try to do a test to kind of, you know, the first test is kind of where we really know, because you can go back to the background and see what success they've had in legend cars and stuff like that."

Legend cars are a specific grassroots racing category with standardized, purpose-built cars designed to be affordable and competitive. Brandon mentions checking a driver’s background in legend cars to predict whether they’ll be good at late-model driving.

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late model

"And we know pretty quickly whether somebody's going to be proficient in driving a late model or not, somebody we want to continue with"

A “late model” is a kind of race car used in grassroots oval racing. It’s based on regular cars, but it’s modified so it can handle racing and track driving.

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Brand

Chevy

"“So for drivers that come to you, so you've got this Chevy relationship...”"

“Chevy” means Chevrolet. Here it’s being used to describe the racing program’s connection to Chevrolet cars and how they build or compete.

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GM

"“...you specialize in pro late models. That's your GM.”"

“GM” usually means General Motors, the company behind brands like Chevrolet. In this sentence, it’s pointing to the manufacturer side of the racing program.

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630 horsepower

"We could use a fairly affordable engine to make a lot of power. They're probably 630 horsepower. And as the years have went on,"

Horsepower is a measure of how much power the engine makes. The host is saying that older, cheaper engines could still produce around 630 horsepower.

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40 plus thousand hour engine

"As to where now they're, you know, a 40 plus thousand hour engine to go super late model racing, which just is so hard to get a good field of cars"

An “engine hour” is basically how long the engine can be run before it wears out or needs rebuilding. The host is saying today’s top racing engines cost so much that it’s hard to afford them for super late model racing.

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crate motors

"So they decided to put crate motors in the supers and then call them pros. [...] So we just carried that right and put a crate motor in our cars."

“Crate motors” are production-style engines sold as complete, ready-to-install packages (often with standardized specs). The host explains that teams moved from very expensive bespoke engines toward crate motors in super late model racing, then re-labeled those cars as “pros” to reflect the new, more standardized powerplant approach.

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momentum

"Don't have a ton of power, so they really teach momentum. And they got a lot of grip."

Momentum in racing is basically how well you keep your speed going through a turn. If the car doesn’t have a lot of power, you have to drive in a way that keeps the car rolling quickly instead of just speeding up later.

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grip

"Don't have a ton of power, so they really teach momentum. And they got a lot of grip."

Grip is how much traction the tires have. More grip means the car can turn and stay stable instead of slipping around.

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Xfinity car

"A late model stock is very similar to a like Xfinity car, [2689.4s] perimeter chassis, steering box, steering,"

An “Xfinity car” is a race car used in NASCAR’s Xfinity Series. It’s a well-known step in stock-car racing, and the host is comparing late model stock cars to that style of car.

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perimeter chassis

"A late model stock is very similar to a like Xfinity car, [2689.4s] perimeter chassis, steering box, steering, [2693.1s] truck armor suspension."

A “perimeter chassis” is a frame that surrounds the car and carries the main loads. It’s an older style of race-car structure that can change how the car behaves when you turn and load it up.

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steering box

"A late model stock is very similar to a like Xfinity car, [2689.4s] perimeter chassis, steering box, steering, [2693.1s] truck armor suspension."

A “steering box” is the part that turns your steering-wheel input into the motion that actually steers the front wheels. It’s part of the mechanical steering system and can feel very direct.

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Arca

"And then you go on to other series like Arca. [2733.0s] And then you go to NASCAR if that's where you want to go."

“ARCA” is another stock-car racing series people move through on the way up. The host is listing it as a step in a bigger progression toward NASCAR.

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NASCAR

"And then you go on to other series like Arca. [2733.0s] And then you go to NASCAR if that's where you want to go. [2735.5s] You have far more customers than us."

NASCAR is the big, famous American stock-car racing series. The host is saying that if you want to go further, NASCAR is the next major goal.

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Chevy 604

"What is that engine? ... Chevy 410s? ... 604. Yes, Chevy 604, which is just a Chevy Crate engine, literally comes in a cardboard box that you can pick up the Chevrolet dealership."

A “crate engine” is a brand-new engine you buy ready to install, instead of building one from scratch. “Chevy 604” is a specific Chevrolet crate-engine size/class they’re using for racing.

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spec shock

"They make us run a spec shock, which is nowhere near ideal for what we would want to run."

A spec shock is a suspension shock that the racing rules require everyone to use. That means teams can’t pick the best shock for their car, so handling can be a compromise.

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bump stops

"And we also are not allowed bump stops. So on our current cars, we really soft springs, car travels down, sets on the bump stops, rides a quarter inch off the ground..."

Bump stops are rubber or mechanical stops that the suspension hits if it compresses too far. If you’re not allowed to use them, the car’s suspension has to be set up differently to avoid harsh bottoming.

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soft springs

"So on our current cars, we really soft springs, car travels down, sets on the bump stops, rides a quarter inch off the ground, all the way around the track..."

Soft springs let the suspension compress more easily. In their setup, that helps the car settle down and stay low for better handling.

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lower CG

"For lower CG, just to keep the car lower, keep the car handling better and faster."

CG means the car’s “balance point.” Lowering it makes the car less likely to tip around in turns, which helps it handle better.

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IHRA

"So we're not allowed to do that in IHRA, [2870.3s] so the car comes up, but it's seven inches up off the ground on the straightaway,"

IHRA is an organization that runs drag-racing events and makes the rulebook. Those rules can limit what suspension or car setup you’re allowed to use.

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shocks

"So the shocks, the benefit of the ProLates that you run is the car slammed on the ground, [2881.4s] and that's where it kind of wants to be."

“Shocks” are parts of the suspension that control how the car moves over bumps and during hard acceleration. Better shocks help the car stay planted instead of bouncing or lifting.

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ProLates

"So the shocks, the benefit of the ProLates that you run is the car slammed on the ground, [2881.4s] and that's where it kind of wants to be."

“ProLates” sounds like a brand or type of race-car shock setup. The idea is that it helps the car sit lower and handle better, but it costs more than the cheaper option being discussed.

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Crate 604

"Last question, the engine. [2938.0s] It's a Crate 604. [2939.7s] Crate models, this audience is familiar with crate motors."

“Crate 604” is a particular engine package that racers can buy as a standardized “crate” motor. It’s mentioned like a common, rule-friendly engine option for this kind of racing.

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small block Chevy

"We like crate motors, and the small block Chevy has stood the test of time. I think a Superlate runs a different crate motor that's more of an LS-based,"

“Small block Chevy” is a famous Chevrolet V8 engine family. It’s popular because it’s well-supported with lots of parts and people have been building and racing them for decades.

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LS-based

"I think a Superlate runs a different crate motor that's more of an LS-based, but in this series, there's another crate motor that we could run that's got more power,"

“LS-based” means the engine is built around GM’s modern LS-style V8 design. It’s a way of saying what engine family the crate motor is based on.

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weight penalty

"but in this series, there's another crate motor that we could run that's got more power, but it comes with a weight penalty. What is that?"

A weight penalty means the rules add extra weight to the faster car or engine. The goal is to make racing more even so one setup doesn’t dominate.

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upgrade 604

"Yeah, so they just call it an upgrade 604, and we're allowed to change the cam, rocker arms, harmonic balancer. I think that's it."

“Upgrade 604” sounds like a specific engine option that the racing rules allow. It’s basically a permitted crate-motor setup with certain parts you can change to make more power.

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cam

"Yeah, so they just call it an upgrade 604, and we're allowed to change the cam, rocker arms, harmonic balancer. I think that's it."

The camshaft (often shortened to “cam”) controls valve timing by opening and closing the engine’s valves. Changing the cam is a common way to shift power toward different RPM ranges in a controlled racing build.

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rocker arms

"Yeah, so they just call it an upgrade 604, and we're allowed to change the cam, rocker arms, harmonic balancer. I think that's it."

Rocker arms are the link between the camshaft and the engine’s valves. Changing them can help the engine breathe better and make power, especially when you rev it.

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harmonic balancer

"Yeah, so they just call it an upgrade 604, and we're allowed to change the cam, rocker arms, harmonic balancer. I think that's it."

A harmonic balancer is a weight/damper on the crankshaft that helps control twisting vibrations inside the engine. That can improve smoothness and help prevent long-term damage when you rev hard.

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RPMs

"If they limit us on RPMs, we can only turn 6,500 RPMs, which probably helps the longevity of the engine, because us being racers,"

RPMs tell you how fast the engine is spinning. If a series limits RPMs, it usually helps the engine last longer because revving higher puts more stress on it.

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longevity of the engine

"which probably helps the longevity of the engine, because us being racers, if we think turn 7,000 be a little better, like the next guy's going to turn 71,"

“Longevity” here means how long the engine keeps working before it needs major repairs. Racing is hard on engines, so rules that limit stress can help them last longer.

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super lap model races

"[3176.6s] George Phillips has won in super lap model races. [3179.6s] Ben Mayer is, we had him last year and he's progressing well. [3183.2s] Had a couple of truck starts last year and successful on the road courses."

“Super lap model races” sounds like a particular kind of short-track racing event or series. It likely refers to a specific ruleset or series name used in that local racing scene.

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truck starts

"Ben Mayer is, we had him last year and he's progressing well. [3183.2s] Had a couple of truck starts last year and successful on the road courses. [3187.4s] So yeah, we just super lucky."

“Truck starts” means how many times a driver has begun a race in the NASCAR Truck Series. Each time they’re on the starting grid counts as one start.

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