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TOP FIVE Sub $15k Track Day Cars You Can Buy Right Now?

TOP FIVE Sub $15k Track Day Cars You Can Buy Right Now?

Very Vehicular Apr 22, 2026 133 min
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About this episode

Budget track-day shopping gets turned into a full-on debate as hosts Ron Zaris and Chris Stewart (Gridlife co-founder) set strict rules for a sub-$15k, US-available, drive-to-the-track car with “reasonable” mods and a post-session “ice cream test.” They argue through lists heavy on Honda practicality and rear-wheel-drive fun, plus a few wildcard picks. The final top five lands on BMW E46 330i, Corvette C5, BRZ/FRS twins, Subaru WRX (GD), and the 8th-gen Civic Si—while the Honda Fit, Fiesta ST, and others get cut in the final rounds.

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Viper Industrial

"It is another episode of Firing Order brought to you by Viper Industrial. This is the show where we get into extremely nuanced arguments about random rankings of things in the car world"

They’re the company sponsoring the podcast. Sponsors like this are usually connected to car gear or performance products.

Concept

Track day cars

"Gridlife co-founder, Chris Stewart, to rank the top five budget track day cars. Let's get into it."

A track day car is a car you take to a race track for fun and practice. The goal is usually something that’s not too expensive to buy or keep running.

Term

10 millimeter

"that missing 10 millimeter before it vanishes forever. [84.6s] Plus the inserts fit perfectly"

“10 millimeter” is a specific size wrench/socket. Mechanics joke that it always goes missing right when you need it.

Term

stainless steel rolling cabinets

"Plus the inserts fit perfectly [86.5s] into wearer stainless steel rolling cabinets, [88.6s] which come both in regular and double XL."

They’re talking about wheeled tool boxes made from stainless steel. Different sizes mean you can store more tools or fit larger organizers.

Company

wearertools.com

"Go check them out at wearertools.com. [119.5s] I like it."

They’re pointing you to a website where you can buy tools and tool storage. The idea is that the foam inserts and cabinets are made to fit together.

Topic

race series

"But you actually run race series. Like this is your profession. We're maybe spectators on it."

A race series is like a season of races. Drivers compete at several events, usually with the same rules, and sometimes earn points for overall standings.

Concept

Gridlife

"So I am Chris Stewart and I am the founder of Gridlife. So I've been facilitating track time in competition and other forms in a variety of places"

Gridlife is a group that organizes track events for regular drivers and enthusiasts. The host is saying he runs those events as his job.

Topic

track time

"So I've been facilitating track time in competition and other forms in a variety of places"

“Track time” refers to scheduled on-track sessions where drivers can practice and improve their skills. It’s often sold as part of track-day programs, sometimes with coaching or structured competition.

Concept

competition and track day culture

"...puppeteering the environment for competition and track day culture to happen. Yeah. I think that's a super interesting thing too..."

They’re talking about how racing events and the community around them feed each other. When people feel part of a scene, they keep coming back and bringing others.

Topic

drift event

"Like the combo of a music festival and like a drift event and just time attack is cool, but you guys have much more than just time attack, right?"

A drift event is when drivers try to slide the car sideways through turns on purpose. The goal is to do it smoothly and consistently, not just to set the fastest lap.

Topic

time attack

"...drift event and just time attack is cool, but you guys have much more than just time attack, right? ...lifelong fans because of that."

Time attack is when drivers try to set the fastest lap time on a track. It’s like a competition version of a track day, with timing and structured runs.

Term

classes

"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."

“Classes” are categories that help keep competition fair. Cars with similar rules and performance levels compete against each other.

Term

club SC

"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."

“Club SC” sounds like a category name for a specific set of rules. It’s how the event groups cars so similar builds race together.

Term

club TR

"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."

“Club TR” is likely a specific competition category with its own rules. It helps decide which cars can compete together.

Concept

grid like touring car

"So we've got a GLTC, so that's a grid like touring car. [306.5s] So that's a 12 and a half to one power to weight ratio"

This is a type of race where cars start in a grid and drive side-by-side. It’s more like normal racing for position than just trying to set the fastest lap by yourself.

Term

power to weight ratio

"So that's a 12 and a half to one power to weight ratio [309.1s] kind of math rule book and that's wheel to wheel racing."

Power-to-weight ratio is how much “go power” a car has compared to how heavy it is. A higher number usually means the car feels faster because it has more pull per pound.

Concept

wheel to wheel racing

"[309.1s] kind of math rule book and that's wheel to wheel racing. [312.0s] So first to the finish line, you know,"

Wheel-to-wheel racing is when multiple cars are on track at the same time and you’re trying to beat other drivers, not just your own time. It’s usually more chaotic and strategy-heavy.

Concept

spec racer

"And then we have the Rush series. [343.2s] So Rush is a really cool kind of spec racer"

A spec racer is a race car where many parts are standardized by the rules. That helps keep costs down and makes the competition more about driving and allowed tuning.

Concept

factory built cars

"What's the spec? [352.8s] So they're factory built cars, right? [354.8s] Have you seen the Rush cars?"

Factory built cars means the race cars are made by the manufacturer (or an approved builder). It usually makes the cars more similar to each other so it’s easier to compete.

Concept

spec series

"[361.9s] Yeah, so that's our only spec series, right? [365.1s] Yeah, so. [365.7s] The fit thing wasn't really a spec series."

A spec series is racing where the cars are controlled by rules so they’re very similar. That way, it’s less about who spent the most money and more about driving well and making smart setup choices.

Concept

spec fit

"So the behavior that spawned what was spec fit, [412.1s] which then became Sunday Cup is now club SC,"

This sounds like a community-made rule set. The idea is to keep cars more similar so racing is more about driving than spending money.

Topic

Sunday Cup

"which then became Sunday Cup is now club SC, [415.8s] which stands for club Sunday Cup or club slow car."

Sunday Cup here seems like a specific track-day club event or format. It’s basically a way for people to race together under shared rules.

Brand

Gran Turismo

"Yeah, which is like the Gran Turismo classic. [421.0s] Yeah, however you want to digest it,"

Gran Turismo is a famous racing video game. They’re comparing the vibe of this club racing to that kind of “car culture” experience.

Concept

dodgy bonk

"That's like the birth of the dodgy bonk. [435.9s] I would say that's dodgy bonk. [437.9s] They would say it."

“Dodgy bonk” sounds like a slang term for sketchy fender-bender moments. It’s basically describing how close racing can lead to awkward contact.

Concept

nose to bumper

"And then they started, you know, going bumper to, [444.7s] you know, like nose to bumper, [446.2s] you know, in the advanced session,"

This means driving extremely close together. When cars are that close, it’s easier to bump each other if someone brakes or turns differently.

Concept

diesel truck racing started as well

"with these slow cars. [449.7s] That's how diesel truck racing started as well. [452.6s] It was like guys would go drag racing,"

They’re saying a similar thing happened in diesel truck racing—people started racing in a messy, improvised way and it turned into a real scene. The common thread is community momentum, not perfect preparation.

Concept

drag racing

"It was like guys would go drag racing, [454.4s] they'd blow their car up,"

Drag racing is racing in a straight line over a short distance. You accelerate hard to see who’s fastest.

Term

Cummins

"but like they would pull out my Cummins [458.0s] and run my Cummins down the hill [459.4s] and I'll race my buddy who brought his Cummins"

“Cummins” is shorthand for a diesel engine made by Cummins. People associate it with a lot of torque (pulling power), especially in certain Dodge trucks, so it often shows up in drag or racing stories.

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SCCA club world

"And there's obviously like Beast back, you know, [465.4s] and that stuff that comes from, you know, [466.9s] kind of the SCCA club world and those types of things. [470.0s] But like in our environment,"

SCCA is a big U.S. organization that runs amateur road racing events. When someone says “SCCA club world,” they mean the community and rules that come from that grassroots racing scene.

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track day car is broken

"But like in our environment, [472.0s] like Fitts became popular because like that's what started it. [475.4s] It's just like my track day car is broken. [477.3s] You know, I'm just gonna rip this daily, you know?"

This is describing a common track-day reality: if your dedicated track car breaks, people may temporarily use a daily driver instead. That choice affects performance, safety, and compliance with event rules, since daily cars often aren’t set up for sustained track use.

Term

power band width factor

"And it's, you have such specifics, [488.3s] like a power band width factor [491.9s] that takes percentages away, [493.0s] but then like six lines later is like,"

A “power band width factor” is a rules-based way to quantify how broad (or narrow) an engine’s effective power delivery is across RPM. In racing rulebooks, it’s often used to balance different engines by accounting for where they make usable power, not just peak output.

Concept

rally racing

"So the two of us, like Ron and I have had the conversation [505.8s] about one of the big issues that rally racing has, [509.6s] and I'm about to just say this in the public,"

Rally racing is a motorsport where cars race on timed stages over public or closed roads, often with mixed surfaces and changing grip. The “big issues” being referenced likely relate to how rules, competition formats, or vehicle preparation differ from circuit/track-day culture.

Concept

rally cars

"Very few rally cars look cool, which means that you're less likely to take a photo of them"

Rally cars are race cars built for rough, changing surfaces—like dirt or gravel—where grip can change a lot. They’re made to handle bumps and traction changes better than a normal car.

Concept

rules to prevent cheating

"So like a lot of those rules like come from like, yo, we really gotta prevent these friends from like not being friends. Let me translate that. Racers are gonna cheat."

Racing rules are meant to keep everyone on a level playing field and to keep things safe. The idea here is that some people will look for loopholes to gain an advantage if the rules aren’t tight.

Concept

push the limit

"Because you will push the limit until you can't anymore. No, 100%, right?"

“Push the limit” describes driving or tuning behavior where you keep increasing performance or aggression until the car reaches its traction, braking, or mechanical limits. On track, this is where tires overheat, brakes fade, and driver mistakes become more likely.

Term

$15,000

"So first up we have is the price. So the base car has to be bought for $15,000."

They’re using a strict budget limit of $15,000 for the car you start with. That budget affects which cars you can realistically buy and still afford to maintain for track days. It also limits the list of cars they’ll consider.

Concept

base car

"And when I say base car, that means that the vehicle runs, drives, you can go purchase it and you can drive it home."

They mean the “base car” is the car you can actually buy and drive right away. It’s not a broken project or something you have to fix before it’s usable. For track days, starting with something that runs and drives helps avoid surprises.

Concept

readily available in the United States

"...it also has to be readily available in the United States. Meaning it could be a car that's important, but like you have to be able to easily find it."

They want the car to be easy to find for sale in the U.S. That matters because if a car is rare, it can be harder and more expensive to get parts and repairs. So they’re focusing on cars that are practical for most people to buy.

Concept

ice cream test

"“So explain the ice cream test.” … “Yeah, so the ice cream test is you have to be able to take a friend, a significant other, your spouse to get ice cream in it. After, after the track.”"

The “ice cream test” is basically: can your track car still be used like a normal car with a passenger. If you’ve stripped it so much that you can’t comfortably take someone along after the track, the community says it’s gone too far.

Concept

Track-day budget planning (daily driver + track car)

"to be a proper budget car, [754.0s] you have to drive it to the track. [755.3s] That's right. [755.6s] Because one, owning a truck, also owning a trailer [758.5s] and having a parking for that, there's no budget at all."

They’re saying that if you’re on a tight budget, you often don’t buy a separate track-only car. You use your regular car for track days too, so it has to be both practical for everyday driving and tough enough for the track.

Concept

"$15K" budget constraint (mods within reason)

"[786.2s] The 15K does not include mods, but as we discussed, [789.4s] like mods have to be within reason. [791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car"

They’re treating the $15k as the car’s price, not counting upgrades. And they want upgrades that are affordable and straightforward—nothing that turns it into a huge, expensive project.

Term

turbocharger

"[789.4s] like mods have to be within reason. [791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it."

A turbocharger is a device that helps the engine make more power. They’re saying you shouldn’t need to add one (or do a turbo conversion) to get a car ready for track days on a tight budget.

Concept

"Back half the whole car" (major chassis/body modification)

"[791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it. [800.3s] Like none of that works."

“Back halfing” means doing a big, structural repair or modification to the rear of the car. That kind of work is expensive and time-consuming, so it doesn’t fit their budget track-day rules.

Term

suspension

"[794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it. [800.3s] Like none of that works. [801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette."

Suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the tires grip the road. They’re saying you shouldn’t have to replace basically all of it to make the car suitable for track days.

Concept

"Basic car in silhouette" (keep the platform stock-looking)

"[800.3s] Like none of that works. [801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"

They mean the car should basically stay the same car—no major cutting or rebuilding. The goal is to pick something you can get ready for the track with normal upgrades, not a full transformation.

Term

wheels, tires

"[801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"

Tires are what actually grip the road, and wheels help support the tire setup. For track days, changing tires (and sometimes wheels) is one of the simplest upgrades that can make a big difference.

Term

brakes

"[801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"

Brakes are what slow the car down, and on a track they get very hot. That’s why brake upgrades are often needed to keep stopping power consistent.

Term

reliability part

"Actually more from a reliability part. And actually, in order to get on the track, you just need to make sure..."

When people say “reliability” for track days, they usually mean making sure the car won’t overheat, break, or suffer fluid-related failures under sustained load. Common reliability checks include cooling system health, brake fluid condition, and basic wear items.

Term

contaminate

"D-Lamb. Yeah, that aren't going to contaminate. But brakes, brakes and fluid."

Contamination means something got on the tire surface that makes it less grippy. If your tires aren’t clean and free of harmful stuff, they can feel slippery and unsafe.

Concept

Marketplace

"So arguably you should be able to go onto Marketplace right now... go pick it up and within one week... go to a track day."

They’re talking about buying a used car from an online marketplace and then going to a track day with it. The idea is that cost isn’t everything—condition and safety matter most.

Concept

bang for the buck

"And then I think one of the other ones, [876.9s] I think is the most important is that this is not [878.7s] about being competitive. [880.2s] It's about like, bang for the buck."

It just means you’re trying to get the most fun or performance for the money. Instead of chasing the absolute fastest car, you pick one that’s affordable and still enjoyable on track.

Concept

Smiles per mile

"[881.6s] Smiles per mile. [882.6s] Like it doesn't matter if you go to the track day [884.0s] and you get laughed on everyone, [886.7s] as long as like you're having a really good time."

It’s a fun way to say “how enjoyable is this car to drive?” Not just how fast it is—more about the experience you get every time you drive.

Concept

seat time

"[889.6s] And you get to keep driving and you get a lot of seat time. [892.1s] I've seen it with a couple of friends of ours,"

“Seat time” refers to how long you’re actually driving during a track day. More seat time usually means more learning, better confidence, and more opportunities to practice lines and braking points.

Concept

race to the bottom

"faster than anybody else. That's a race to the bottom. Like you're just gonna make a time attack car on accident, right?"

“Race to the bottom” means everyone keeps pushing harder, but the result is worse for you instead of better. Here, it’s about chasing speed in a way that can wreck your car.

Car

Mustang Fox Body

"who would smoke this shit out of you in a Fox body. But he doesn't think any of you are good."

“Fox body” is a nickname for a generation of Ford Mustang from the late 1970s through the early 1990s. People like them for track and drag use because there are lots of parts and tuning options.

Concept

track that's really fast vs slow car that's really technical

"Cause like, if you live in a track that's really fast, [1040.9s] a slow car that's really technical, [1043.2s] that's not going to be even outside of like,"

Not all race tracks are the same. Some are more about going fast in a straight line, while others are more about turning and braking a lot. A car that struggles on one type of track might do great on the other.

Concept

gen one

"and this would be, this would be gen one. Cause you really can get a scion for that price point. Or you can still get a BRZ."

“Gen one” just means the first version of that car. When you’re buying used, the generation can change how easy it is to find parts and how reliable the car tends to be.

Concept

availability

"Okay. So talk about reliability. Talk about availability. Not, not a, not a car that I like gravitate towards."

Availability refers to how easy it is to find a specific car in the used market at a reasonable price. For enthusiasts, it also often implies parts availability and community support for maintenance and upgrades.

Concept

takeover tax

"It's also got a pretty heavy drift and takeover tax on it right now. But we'll get to that."

“Takeover tax” is slang for when a car gets so popular in a scene that the price jumps. You end up paying more than you would if it were just a normal used car.

Car

Honda Fit

"and the pie chart. And the second gen Honda fit. Nice."

The Honda Fit EV is a small Honda Fit that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. The podcast mentions it because it’s an EV version of a practical compact car. It’s brought up as an example of how small cars can be electric too.

Concept

run track days for four years for that budget

"[1129.3s] I figured you, I mean, that's way under budget, right? [1131.9s] So like with that car, you can get the car, [1133.9s] you can get all the parts and you can run track days [1135.8s] for four years for that budget."

They’re talking about the overall cost of doing track days, not just buying the car. The big expenses over time are things that wear out—like tires and brakes—plus upgrades you may need to make the car track-ready.

Concept

longevity

"[1135.8s] for four years for that budget. [1138.2s] There's something to be said about the longevity. [1140.2s] So I'm going to go ahead and say right off the bat,"

Longevity means “how long the car can keep going” without you constantly spending money. For track days, it’s about reliability and how expensive it is to replace the things that wear out.

Term

shifter on the dash

"So the EP was cool, but like a little bit like, that's a little oddball. Had the shifter on the dash."

Some cars put the gear shifter on the dashboard instead of between the seats. It’s a different layout that can feel unusual at first, but it’s part of what makes certain older cars memorable.

Concept

rise of the crossover

"[1217.3s] But like if you remember that point in time where it's like, [1219.7s] man, all the, all the enthusiast cars are going away, [1221.9s] right? [1222.3s] Like it's the. [1223.3s] It's the rise of the crossover."

This is about how more people started buying crossovers and SUVs instead of regular cars. When that happens, car companies build fewer “fun” cars and more family-friendly crossovers.

Term

K20 Z three

"[1234.7s] So Civic SI. [1237.3s] K20 Z three, right? [1239.0s] So, you know, K series, great motor, right?"

“K20 Z3” refers to Honda’s K-series engine family variant commonly associated with the Civic Si/SiR era, known for strong aftermarket support and a high-revving character. The hosts are highlighting it as a “great motor” with lots of parts available.

Term

Limited slip

"[1242.1s] Yeah. A lot of support. [1243.6s] Limited slip, you know, from the factory. [1246.9s] That is nice."

A limited-slip differential helps both drive wheels work together better. If one wheel starts slipping, it helps send more power to the wheel with grip.

Concept

front wheel drive cars on track

"Have you driven a lot of front wheel drive cars? The LSD really can change. It really, really. I mean, I guess I've only ever driven LSD, front wheel drive cars on track."

On a track, front-wheel-drive cars have to both steer and drive from the front wheels. If the front wheels lose grip, the car can’t put power down well—so upgrades like an LSD can make a noticeable difference.

Car

Hyundai Elantra

"...power. Cause I guess I take the granted like the Elantra, the Elantra and I raced or two years ago,"

The Hyundai Elantra is a compact sedan meant for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it alongside talk about power and racing, meaning people treat it as more than just a basic commuter. It’s brought up because it can be part of performance conversations.

Term

front wheel drive diff

"The front wheel drive diff on that thing is super developed. Yeah. It's point and shoot."

A “diff” helps the wheels turn at different speeds when you’re cornering. That matters because the inside and outside wheels don’t travel the same distance around a turn. It’s a big part of why a front-wheel-drive car feels predictable and controllable.

Concept

aftermarket support

"great daily, you know, great aftermarket support, you know, uh, and, um, you know, just as far as like livability plus being able to throw it"

“Aftermarket support” means how many replacement and performance parts are available from companies other than the original manufacturer. For track-day use, strong aftermarket support matters because it makes it easier to upgrade brakes, suspension, tires, and cooling without hunting for rare parts.

Concept

livability

"great aftermarket support, you know, uh, and, um, you know, just as far as like livability plus being able to throw it around, you know, and not worry about it, right?"

“Livability” means how easy and comfortable the car is to live with day to day. The speaker is saying it’s not only a track-capable car—it’s also pleasant enough for normal driving.

Term

junkyard

"you could go to any junkyard and get a door and a windshield and a panel and whatever cars..."

A junkyard is a place that sells used parts from cars that have been wrecked. If you break something at the track, junkyards can be a cheaper way to replace it.

Concept

eating that thing into corners

"where if you're eating that thing into corners... and you're not super afraid of crunching a tail light..."

It means you drive into the corner with confidence instead of being scared and slowing down. When you’re not worried about wrecking, you can practice better and improve.

Term

tail light

"...crunching a tail light or offender or whatever. That's, that isn't precious."

A tail light is the red light on the back of the car. If you hit something and break it, it’s often a relatively simple and affordable fix compared to bigger damage.

Concept

not precious

"That's, that isn't precious... It's not, it's not precious. It's kind of the people's champ..."

“Not precious” basically means you’re okay with the car getting some wear or minor damage. On a track day, that’s normal, so you don’t treat it like a museum piece.

Brand

Honda theme

"So the other one we might also stay in the Honda theme is the"

They’re saying the next suggestion will be in the Honda direction. Honda cars are often chosen for track days because parts are usually easier to find and cheaper.

Car

Mazda MX-5 / Miata

"...ecause to me, I feel like this is like the modern Miata. And here, and here's my thing on this whole is ..."

The Miata (MX-5) is a small two-seat convertible made by Mazda. It’s designed to feel nimble and fun to drive, not to be a big, fast grand tourer. The episode brings it up as a reference point for what a “real” modern roadster should feel like.

Concept

unexpected car

"And, and it became this amazing car, but part of its heroic element is because it is slightly on the unexpected car... I think the fit is like that new car that when someone looks at a fit, the average person doesn't go, wow, that could be a great race car."

An “unexpected car” is a normal-looking car that turns out to be great for track days. It usually works because it’s light and easy to drive, and people can upgrade it to handle better.

Concept

epitome of driving a slow car fast

"Like, like full risk. Like, like full risk. 12 times every quarter, 12 tenths, 10 quarter is the epitome of driving a slow car fast."

It means you can have a lot of fun on track even if the car isn’t very powerful. The key is learning to drive it well—brake smoothly, turn in confidently, and use the throttle correctly—so you’re going fast for what the car can do.

Concept

anxiety to tracking

"And, and the like, uh, you know, I, uh, I have like a bit, you know, even though I'm like into tracking, there's like a bit of, there's an anxiety to tracking, right? You know, like every time you go out there, right?"

They’re saying track days can feel stressful, especially if you’re worried about crashing or damaging your car. A cheaper, easier-to-drive car can make you feel more comfortable, so you can concentrate on getting better instead of panicking.

Concept

refine small details

"So you can, you can refine small details. You can work on your specifics, right? And you can just like absolutely blast it."

They mean getting better by focusing on small things you do while driving. Instead of just trying to go faster with power, you improve how you brake and steer. Doing that repeatedly is how you get quicker on track.

Concept

Track day weekend logistics (car that can do multiple events)

"So like you want like one thing that like you can get to the track, you [1564.7s] can run the track all, all weekend. [1566.8s] You can get home, you know, you can run the next track day."

The hosts are emphasizing a “one car, many weekends” approach: a track-day car that’s affordable enough to keep using, and practical enough to drive to the track, run all weekend, then return home and do it again. This is about total cost of ownership and day-to-day usability, not just lap times.

Concept

First-generation vs second-generation model upgrade

"he, so he, an example of like perfect fit lifestyle, right? [1584.8s] He's got a first, first gen fit. [1586.4s] The second gen fit is just a significantly more progressed and better car"

They’re comparing two versions of the same model—an earlier generation versus a newer one. The point is that the newer generation is usually a better car overall, even if you’re still buying used.

Term

Print mags

"[1599.1s] So we got like a four year old car. [1600.6s] Do you remember when the car first came out? [1602.2s] Cause print mags were still a thing."

“Print mags” refers to traditional automotive magazines (paper publications) that used to be a major source of reviews and coverage. Mentioning them is a clue that the hosts are talking about the car’s early-era cultural impact and media attention.

Concept

cars getting too big

"like the kind of escaped the blow and then you just realized that the only problem with new cars is they just got too big. They're too big to know. All right."

They’re basically saying newer cars are getting bigger and heavier. When that happens, the car can feel less nimble and less fun to drive.

Car

350Z

"[1685.8s] 350Z. [1687.0s] We're, is that like top of your list? [1688.7s] No, this is, this is data driven, right?"

The Nissan 350Z is a rear-wheel-drive sports car that a lot of people use for track days and drifting. The reason is that it’s relatively affordable and there are lots of parts and tuning options for it.

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rear wheel drive

"[1690.7s] Like, so I don't, I, uh, if I, if I look at something that like has a lot of [1695.2s] flexibility, you know, it's, it's rear wheel drive, right? [1699.0s] So cause that's a preference, right?"

Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels do the work of moving the car. Many track and drift drivers like it because the car tends to feel more controllable when you’re turning hard and managing tire grip.

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VQ engine

"[1706.7s] VQ engine's got a ton of support, right? [1708.7s] You know, it's got, it's got, it's got versatility, right? [1711.5s] So like you enter into, you know, track day culture and want to move into drift"

The VQ engine is Nissan’s well-known V6. People like it for track and drifting because there are lots of upgrades available and it’s a proven platform for making power and reliability.

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track day culture and drift culture

"[1711.5s] So like you enter into, you know, track day culture and want to move into drift [1715.2s] culture and want to have longevity out of this vehicle. [1718.4s] Tons and tons of flexibility, you know, um, and people know how to make them last."

“Track day culture” and “drift culture” overlap, but they prioritize different things: track days emphasize repeatable lap performance and heat management, while drifting emphasizes controlled traction breakaway and durability under sustained wheel slip. The hosts are framing the 350Z/VQ platform as a bridge between the two communities for longevity and parts availability.

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three speed

"[1722.4s] Yeah. [1722.7s] It's not, it's not as like, um, you know, it's unfortunately only available as a [1726.6s] three speed, but."

A three-speed transmission has only three forward gears. That can make it harder to keep the engine in the “sweet spot” when you’re driving fast, because you have fewer gear choices.

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long gear

"It's like, it's very long gear. It's, it's not a sports car cumbersome as a package, just like a C five or something like that, right?"

“Long gear” means the transmission is set up so the engine spins slower for a given speed. That can make the car feel calmer on the road, but on track it may require more downshifting to keep the engine in the right rev range.

Term

factory LSD

"Like it's actually, I actually fit factory LSD. And depending on your factory, Brembo's."

An LSD helps the car put power down more evenly when one wheel has less grip. If it’s “factory,” it’s already set up correctly from the start, so you don’t have to add it later.

Brand

Brembo

"And depending on your factory, Brembo's. Yeah."

Brembo makes performance brakes. If your car has Brembo brakes, it usually means the braking system is stronger and can handle repeated hard stops better on a track.

Concept

cost of operation

"You can almost break them up by like cost of operation, right? And that's why club SC exists as a class because like the car is cheap. The cost of operating is cheap."

This means how much it costs to keep the car running over time. On a track day car, you usually spend more on wear items like tires and brakes, so the “cheap to run” part is a big deal.

Concept

chassis stiffness

"Like losing 40 horsepower on the car and it's 60% less stiff than the newer gen. You can fix some of that, but not all of it. Um, cause it's chassis, it gets more expensive to make it faster."

Chassis stiffness is how “solid” the car feels when you corner hard. If it flexes a lot, the handling can feel less precise; if it’s stiffer, it usually feels more controlled.

Concept

track-day rules under $15k

"But like, so if you, if, and I'm just saying this, we have rules, which is under 15 grand, but if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I would get the newer one."

The hosts mention “rules” tied to a budget class (under $15k), which affects what cars are eligible for the comparison. This is important because track-day performance is often limited by what you can buy within the class, not just what’s fastest overall.

Car

Subaru BRZ

"But if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I would get the newer one. Oh, every time, but I don't think you can get a newer gen one for under 15."

BRZ is Subaru’s small sports car. They’re comparing older versus newer versions, and saying the newer one feels more solid and better for driving hard.

Car

Scion Frs

"...under 15 grand, but if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I wou..."

The Scion FR-S is a small sports coupe designed to be fun and affordable. The podcast talks about buying one for around the low $10,000s. It’s mentioned because it can give a real sports-car driving experience without costing a lot.

Concept

altitude

"Now what I will say, if you live anywhere that's in any kind of altitude, like if you're living in Utah and you want to do track days..."

At higher elevations, the air is thinner. That means engines often make less power, so the car can feel weaker than it would at sea level.

Concept

avoid the twins at all costs

"...if you're living in Utah and you want to do track days, avoid the twins at all costs, avoid it all. That's the first time I ever drove one. And I thought it was broken."

They’re saying not to pick the “twins” for their situation. The reason seems to be that where you live (like high altitude) can make those cars less ideal for track days.

Concept

I thought it was broken

"That's the first time I ever drove one. And I thought it was broken. Right. I was like, this is, this can't be like something's wrong."

This highlights a common track-day/enthusiast-car issue: unfamiliar behavior can feel like a mechanical problem when it’s actually normal for the conditions (e.g., altitude, tire/brake heat, or drivetrain characteristics). It’s a reminder to verify fundamentals before assuming a failure.

Car

Civic Si

"Like I put the, the Civic SI is like actually the more balanced package of the two Hondas, right?"

The Civic Si is a sporty version of the Honda Civic. It’s meant to feel more fun to drive than a base model, but still be practical enough for normal life—so it can be a good “track day” choice without being too extreme.

Concept

super lightweight

"Cause he knows that I enjoy that super lightweight. Like I would prefer a lighter weight car than a fast car."

Light cars tend to feel quicker and easier to control. On a track, that usually means you can brake and turn more confidently without the car feeling heavy or sluggish.

Concept

blow your budget

"I'm starting this, you know, um, so like there's room to grow and you're not going to like blow your budget."

It means not spending way more money than you planned. Track days can get expensive, so the goal is to pick a car that won’t force you into huge extra costs right away.

Concept

mob the fit

"You also like, here's a weird thing. Like, like the, the ability to mob the fit is, is limited."

“Mob the fit” is slang for aggressively or enthusiastically driving the Honda Fit—here, implying there’s a limit to how far you can push it. The idea is that the Fit can be a riot on track days, but it won’t match higher-power cars in outright performance.

Concept

driving potential

"[1994.4s] So you will reach the driving potential of that vehicle and then you will [1998.2s] have to move on and that's what you're supposed to do anyway. [2001.1s] Sure."

It means there’s a point where you’ve learned as much as you can from that car. After that, you’ll want something else—either more capable or more challenging—to keep improving.

Concept

"Goblin list" (track-day sleeper picks)

"[2040.0s] I have the obvious list. [2041.3s] You're going to want this other one. [2042.1s] You have a goblin list. [2042.9s] I have the obvious list and a goblin list. [2045.2s] This is like things that nobody would think of, but I've seen on track and I'm"

They call it a “goblin list” for cars that aren’t the obvious choices. The idea is to find weird or underrated cars that still do great on track without costing a fortune.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"Uh, obvious list. C five Corvette. Um, you could still get him 10 to 15 K."

The Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet. The C5 is one older generation of Corvette that many people look for because it can be cheaper than newer high-performance cars. The episode mentions it as an obvious pick for that kind of shopping.

Car

Acura Rsx

"[2063.5s] Okay. [2064.3s] Acura RSX type S. [2066.1s] Okay."

The Acura RSX Type S is a sporty Acura that’s popular with enthusiasts. It’s often picked for track days because it’s affordable, has lots of upgrade options, and is generally straightforward to keep running.

Concept

track-day oiling concerns

"...it's a high maintenance response to it... AccuSump... right out the box, you're focusing on a good chance that you're going to bore score that thing..."

Track driving is harder on the engine than normal commuting because the car is constantly pulling high Gs. That can cause oiling problems, so people add upgrades to keep the engine properly lubricated.

Term

oil starvation

"...engine has oil, like starting oil cooling. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And it's a high maintenance response to it..."

Oil starvation is when the engine doesn’t get enough oil for a moment, usually because the oil moves away from the pickup during hard driving. On a track, that can be dangerous and can lead to major engine damage.

Term

AccuSump

"...if you want to find comfort in buying that car, someone will tell you that like they, you know, AccuSump, you know, AccuSump makes, you know, this and you can get, you know, you can get this different pan for it..."

AccuSump is an add-on that stores extra engine oil and keeps oil pressure steady during track driving. It helps prevent the engine from briefly “starving” for oil when the car is cornering hard.

Term

bore score

"...right out the box, you're focusing on a good chance that you're going to bore score that thing."

Bore scoring means the inside of the engine cylinders gets scratched or damaged. It usually happens when the engine isn’t getting enough lubrication, so the metal parts wear badly.

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helmet clearance

"...The only reason it's never on any of my list is that it's a sub six one driver fit, like you would be like at the brink with a helmet."

Helmet clearance is whether your helmet fits comfortably in the car when you’re seated for track driving. If it’s too tight, you may need a different helmet or adjust the seating position.

Car

Porsche Cayman

"[2153.2s] think the Cayman's really cool looking. [2154.8s] It's weird. [2155.2s] Just what the Cayman is. [2156.0s] Cayman, Cayman, you can't make the list. [2158.2s] I looked at it. [2159.1s] It's too expensive."

The Porsche Cayman is a mid-engine coupe that shares much of its driving character with the Boxster, but this segment focuses on pricing and fit for a sub-$15k track-day list. The hosts imply the Cayman is appealing but “too expensive,” which affects whether it makes the budget shortlist.

Car

Porsche Boxster

"[2160.6s] Yeah. [2160.6s] So you can buy a Boxster for like a dollar. [2164.0s] You can buy a Boxster. [2165.5s] You can get them for like five grand. [2167.3s] You can get them for five grand, fix your engine issues and then be on your merry-go-round."

The Porsche Boxster is a Porsche roadster that can be surprisingly cheap on the used market. The idea here is that if one car has problems, you can buy another cheaper one and combine parts or keep swapping until you end up with a good track car.

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engine issues

"[2165.5s] You can get them for like five grand. [2167.3s] You can get them for five grand, fix your engine issues and then be on your [2170.1s] merry-go-round. [2170.7s] You can get them, um, you know, and, and not fix your engine issues until the next [2174.7s] track day for like, just get another one."

“Engine issues” refers to problems that require repair or replacement of engine-related components, which can derail a budget track-day plan. The hosts suggest that if the engine problem is bad enough, you may not want to keep fixing the same car—hence the “buy another one” approach.

Concept

"Buy three Boxers and make one good one"

"[2177.8s] You can buy three Boxers and make one good one. [2184.2s] You know what, Boxers is back on the list. [2187.6s] I like that concept."

This is a rest-of-the-story strategy: instead of repairing a single problematic car, you buy multiple inexpensive examples and cannibalize parts to build one reliable, track-ready car. It’s a common approach for budget track-day builds when the purchase price is low enough that parting out becomes economical.

Car

9-11

"They're, I mean, I, there's an argument that the Boxster is a better handling car than the 9-11."

When people say “9-11,” they mean the Porsche 911. It’s a classic sports car with a distinctive engine placement that affects how it handles.

Car

Cayman GT4

"Sure. How you would argue the Cayman GT4 is a better handling car."

The Porsche Cayman GT4 is a more track-ready Cayman. It’s tuned to feel sharper and more stable when you’re driving aggressively.

Car

Porsche 944

"Um, the same argument that people made when the 944 came in."

The Porsche 944 is an older Porsche sports car. People still talk about it because it has a distinctive feel and handling character compared to other Porsches.

Concept

high consumable

"So, so C-5 Corvette, not a, not a bad answer for sure, right? Like, but also a high consumable. Yeah."

“High consumable” refers to parts that wear out quickly under track-day stress, like tires and brake pads/rotors. Cars that are heavier, make more heat, or have more aggressive driving dynamics often end up costing more per track session.

Concept

upper end

"...but, um, you know, but you can, you know, it's on the upper end. I would definitely do SIM time before getting in it on track."

“Upper end” here likely refers to the higher end of cost, difficulty, or performance expectations for the track/time-attack path being discussed. It’s a reminder that some track categories demand more from the car and driver than others.

Concept

SIM time

"I would definitely do SIM time before getting in it on track. For sure."

SIM time is practice in a video-game racing simulator. It can make you more comfortable with the track and the car’s habits before you drive for real.

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not easily serviceable

"And I would say I didn't even think about that factor, but if you've never driven on track, it's probably not a great idea to be in one. The one other one I would bring up on that is like, it is not an easily serviceable car."

“Not easily serviceable” means it’s not simple or cheap to work on. If something needs fixing during track season, you might spend more time waiting or more money paying a shop.

Term

clutch job

"like doing a clutch job doing a clutch is massive. [2319.7s] It sucks. [2320.4s] Like it without a lift, like it's not the like easy lift."

A clutch job is when you replace the parts that let the engine connect to the transmission. It’s usually a big repair because it often requires taking major parts apart, not just swapping a small part.

Concept

four jack stands

"Like it without a lift, like it's not the like easy lift. [2323.3s] It's not like something you can service on four jack stands in your garage. [2328.2s] But it's a lot of fun."

They’re saying some jobs are hard to do safely at home. A lift gives you better access underneath the car, while jack stands can make big repairs much more difficult.

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nostalgia thing

"So the E 36 is very popular because a nostalgia thing, they look really cool."

They’re saying people want the car partly because it feels like a throwback. That kind of nostalgia can make more people buy it, which can affect price.

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budget track-day shopping tradeoffs

"So like, I don't, you can't get into an E 36 M three, a decent one for 15 grand anymore, right? ... It needs more money. Like it's not as fast where the 46 is super balanced, great engine options, great transmission."

They’re talking about how, when you’re shopping cheap for track days, you often have to choose between paying more for the “right” model or buying a cheaper one and spending money to make it track-ready.

Term

track viable

"And the E 36 just needs a lot more to be track viable in my opinion. Like BMW, I don't have a crazy amount of experience."

“Track viable” means the car can handle track driving without falling apart or feeling unsafe. They’re saying one BMW needs more upgrades and prep to be truly track-ready.

Term

subframe

"It does have all that issues of like tearing the subframe and the suspension. Like minor, 46 is your choice."

A subframe is like a strong metal base that holds parts of the suspension in place. If it gets damaged, the car can handle poorly and become unsafe on track.

Term

differential selection

"That's why 330 is like very specific on there because that with suspension arms and transmission, diff selection, again, that's the, uh..."

The differential is what sends power to the rear wheels. Choosing the right one affects how the car grips and how it behaves when you accelerate out of turns.

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inline six

"I think it's a 2.5 liter inline six, like N a, um, it's not quite the M three motor."

An inline six is an engine with six cylinders lined up in a row. They’re saying the 330i uses this kind of engine, and it has a different feel than the more hardcore BMW motors.

Term

S54

"It's not quite the M three motor. It's not the, you know, S 54, but."

S54 is the name/engine code for the M3’s special engine. The hosts are saying the car they’re discussing isn’t that exact engine, so it won’t feel as “M3-like.”

Term

swap kits

"...the guys who make swap kits and knuckles or whatever in the drift world, all the way to like full blown, like actual race car people."

A swap kit helps you install a different engine or transmission than what the car came with. It usually includes the parts you need so the swap is less of a one-off custom job.

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knuckles

"...the guys who make swap kits and knuckles or whatever in the drift world, all the way to like full blown, like actual race car people."

Knuckles are parts near the front wheels that help the steering and suspension work. Upgrading them can make the car handle better and survive harder driving.

Car

Acura Integra

"To me, to me, it's a look thing, uh, because, uh, like I really like, I, I love integras, like integras are where my heart's at and that's just spiritual."

They’re talking about the Acura Integra. It’s a small sporty car that a lot of enthusiasts liked because it’s fun to drive and easy to modify. That’s why it shows up in conversations about track-day cars.

Car

Honda RSX

"RSX was the clear choice between those two. If you were a Honda enthusiast, Honda's feel a certain way. ... you get into an civic SI of any gen, you get into an RSX of any gen..."

The Honda RSX is a small Honda sports car that enthusiasts like because it feels connected and fun to drive. People talk about it as a “driver’s car,” not just a commuter.

Car

Honda Crv

"...you get into an civic SI of any gen, you get into an RSX of any gen, you get into a CRV, you know, like it feels like a Honda, right?"

The Honda CR-V is a popular Honda SUV. In this discussion, it’s being used to say that even non-sports Hondas can still feel “like a Honda.”

Car

Acura NSX

"...it's just a steering feel and like, like kind of, you know, it's like, I get into the NSX and it feels like the CRX..."

The Acura NSX is a high-performance supercar. The point here is that the driver feels a familiar kind of control and connection, even though it’s a much faster car.

Car

Porsche 911 GT3 RS

"...I get that when I get into like a 992 GT3 RS, it feels just like a Volkswagen."

The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a hardcore track-oriented 911. The speaker is saying that even in a car like this, the driving feel can still feel “familiar” in a way that reminds them of another brand.

Car

Pontiac Solstice

"You're saying like a Pontiac solstice, maybe just as good another road. So, you know, it's a car that people don't talk about another one, BMW Z three."

The Pontiac Solstice is a small sports car/roadster. They’re basically saying it could be just as good as a more expensive option, depending on what you care about.

Car

BMW Z3

"it's a car that people don't talk about another one, BMW Z three. What, was the Pontiac solstice maybe good and nobody knew it?"

The BMW Z3 is a classic small BMW roadster. They’re bringing it up as another car that can be fun for track days without necessarily costing a fortune.

Car

Saturn Sky

"This Saturn Sky. Tune in to the Patreon for the goblin list because I have my own goblin list."

The Saturn Sky is a small GM roadster. They’re treating it like a quirky, underrated choice—something fun that doesn’t get talked about much.

Concept

Hot hatch

"and, uh, you know, it was designed for that, right? It was designed as a hot hatch. Uh, the fit like accidentally became one"

A hot hatch is a regular hatchback, but tuned to drive more aggressively—faster acceleration and better handling. They’re saying some cars are built for that from the start, while others just end up being fun.

Car

Honda Civic

"So that checks the box of like, cause the, the Civic, the RSX, there's, they're similar chassis."

A Honda Civic is a small, front-wheel-drive car that’s popular because it’s affordable and parts are easy to get. The hosts are grouping it with the RSX because they drive and handle in similar ways.

Car

E 46

"[3027.6s] similar, then E 46. [3029.1s] My top three from your list are the vet, the 46 and the fiesta ST mainly"

“E46” is the BMW 3 Series generation code. People like it for track days because it handles well and there are lots of upgrades available.

Car

fiesta ST

"[3029.1s] My top three from your list are the vet, the 46 and the fiesta ST mainly [3034.0s] cause I have experience in all three of them."

The Ford Fiesta ST is a small “hot hatch” that’s meant to be fun. On track days, its light weight and simple driving feel can make it feel fast even when you’re not going crazy.

Term

V tech

"[3035.9s] The big difference is, is like what the RSX gives you is V tech and not even as [3041.6s] a joke, like part of the fun factor of being in a car is like, even if you're"

VTEC is a system that helps the engine breathe better at higher RPM. That’s why the car feels more energetic when you rev it out.

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8,000 RPM

"[3041.6s] a joke, like part of the fun factor of being in a car is like, even if you're [3045.8s] not going that fast, when you're at 8,000 RPM, you feel like you're ripping. [3050.2s] You feel like a hero."

RPM is how fast the engine spins. Revving near 8,000 RPM can make the car feel punchier and more exciting, but it also means more stress and heat.

Term

flat spotted

"[3074.1s] And by the way, I can't afford to go back to the track because I smoke those [3077.5s] tires and I flat spotted those and which is cool. [3080.3s] Cause the sound of that, the sound of the, the VA, like just playing over your head"

Flat spotting is when a tire gets a flat spot because it was slid or locked while hot. It can make the car shake and it often ruins the tire faster than normal wear.

Term

smoke those tires

"[3074.1s] And by the way, I can't afford to go back to the track because I smoke those [3077.5s] tires and I flat spotted those and which is cool."

“Smoke those tires” means you’re driving hard enough to overheat the tires and wear them out quickly. On track days, tires are usually the first thing you’ll replace.

Term

VA

"[3080.3s] Cause the sound of that, the sound of the, the VA, like just playing over your head [3085.3s] when you're powering out of a corner, like so sick. [3088.5s] So what is it?"

“VA” sounds like the speaker’s shorthand for the engine’s sound they’re enjoying. They’re saying it’s especially cool when the engine is working hard coming out of a corner.

Company

FCP Euro

"We'll come back and I'll give you guys my list, which is probably also a goblin list. Here we are with another story time interruption brought to you by my good friends at FCP Euro."

FCP Euro is a company that sells car parts, especially for European cars. People mention it because it’s a go-to place to buy parts for repairs and upgrades.

Concept

feeler post

"And the first step is posting a feeler post, see who's interested. And to my dismay, a lot of people were interested."

A feeler post is basically a “let me know if anyone would be interested” message. It helps the seller figure out whether selling is realistic before they put in the full effort.

Car

Audi 200

"The car in question is my 1991 Audi 200 Avant 20 valve turbo. The problem is it just doesn't fit what I want right now... How could I possibly get rid of it?"

They’re talking about a 1991 Audi wagon called the 200 Avant. It has a turbo engine and a higher-valve-count setup, which usually helps the engine make more power. The host is deciding whether to sell it or keep working on it.

Term

chopping block

"So I figured put it up on the chopping block over the weekend. I decided it was time to clean it up, take those photos, try to actually move it and sell it."

It’s just a phrase meaning “I’m considering getting rid of it.” Here, they’re basically trying to sell the car.

Part

clutch master

"I replaced that. I needed a clutch master, pick that up and a few other things."

The clutch master cylinder helps your clutch work by using hydraulic pressure. If it’s worn out or leaking, the clutch can feel weak or not engage properly.

Term

liquid molly fluids

"And of course, a whole bevy of liquid molly fluids, you know, because it makes the car feel happier."

Liqui Moly makes car fluids and additives like oil and other maintenance products. The host is saying they bought those fluids because they think it improves how the car runs.

Term

hydro lift system

"Luckily, KW suspensions then introduced the hydro lift system to raise your car to adult heights."

A hydro lift system is a device that can lift your car up using fluid pressure. It helps a very low car avoid scraping when you’re driving over bumps or into places with steep ramps.

Term

HLS four

"The HLS two lifts the front axle while the HLS four lifts them all."

HLS four is a lift setup that raises the whole car, not just the front. That can help prevent scraping anywhere when you hit a bump or steep driveway.

Term

HLS two

"The HLS two lifts the front axle while the HLS four lifts them all."

HLS two is a lift setup that raises just the front of the car. The goal is to stop the front bumper from scraping while keeping the rear stance the same.

Term

add-on

"It's available as a complete kit or an add-on to your existing KW coilovers. And it works up to 50 miles an hour, meaning you don't have to take every dip in the road..."

An add-on means you can attach the lift system to something you already have. Instead of replacing everything, you upgrade what’s already installed.

Part

KW coilovers

"It's available as a complete kit or an add-on to your existing KW coilovers. And it works up to 50 miles an hour, meaning you don't have to take every dip in the road..."

Coilovers are suspension parts that let you lower (or raise) the car and control how it rides. Here, they’re saying the lift system can work with existing KW coilovers.

Term

50 miles an hour

"And it works up to 50 miles an hour, meaning you don't have to take every dip in the road at that douchey 45 degree two mile an hour crawl."

They’re saying the lift can operate while you’re moving, up to about 50 mph. That means you may not need to stop just to get extra clearance.

Concept

rule of no engine swaps

"And as I was starting to go through my list, because we created the rule of no engine swaps, it really makes a lot of the cars that I would normally go after not work."

The “no engine swaps” rule means they won’t include cars that have had their engine replaced with a different one. That makes the list focus more on cars that are closer to stock under the hood.

Term

turbo charging

"...or turbo charging or like an LS swap... Unless you get the turbo, the turbo is 20 grand plus now. It's not as inexpensive."

Turbocharging adds a device that squeezes more air into the engine, which usually makes it produce more power. The tradeoff is that it can cost a lot to do well, especially if you’re trying to keep the whole project cheap.

Term

inline five swap

"...the car needs either a inline five swap shout to the booze brothers, uh, or turbo charging or like an LS swap."

An engine swap is when you replace the factory engine with a different one. An inline-five swap means using a 5-cylinder engine, usually to make the car faster and more fun for track days.

Term

LS swap

"...or turbo charging or like an LS swap. Like it's one of the cars that is actually the current engine in it."

An LS swap means putting a Chevy LS V8 engine into another car. People like it because those engines are common, have lots of parts available, and can make good power without being extremely exotic.

Concept

engine swap cost/effort for track viability

"It takes so much effort and work to make it not just like really sporty, but viable."

Even if a car feels fun on the street, track days are harder on performance. The point here is that making a cheap car truly work for track use often requires upgrades, and the work can be a lot.

Car

Corvette C

"So, uh, at the top was, was the Corvette C five on the, on the things that were even said, because it's just for like enjoyment."

The Corvette C5 is a specific generation of the Chevrolet Corvette from the late 1990s to early 2000s. The hosts are saying it’s a great pick for track days because it’s enjoyable and fits the “buy it now” budget idea.

Term

consumable element

"I know it's going to be the one that's going to have a ton of issues and have like, you know, the consumable element, but you can also get most of the parts for Napa, which is kind of nice."

Track driving wears out certain parts faster than normal street driving. Those are called “consumables,” and they usually need replacing often.

Term

Napa

"...the consumable element, but you can also get most of the parts for Napa, which is kind of nice. No, right?"

They’re talking about parts availability. NAPA is a common auto parts store, so it’s easier to find replacements when you break something on track.

Concept

growth path of a track car

"...I know the capability of where it can end up at the end, right? Like, I love, I love the growth path of it. Yeah."

They mean the car can get better step-by-step. You can start simple for track days and then upgrade parts over time as you figure out what you need.

Part

new seat

"I don't know if I'd ever actually own one. I need, I'm just, I'm about an inch too big for it, but like a new seat could"

On track cars, fitting a “new seat” often means swapping to a more supportive racing seat (sometimes with different mounting points and harness compatibility). Driver fit matters for safety and performance—too much space can reduce control and increase fatigue.

Term

1.6 turbo

"And for me, I think it has a lot to do with one, the small chuckability of it. The engine is 1.6 turbo is a fun motor, 200 horsepower out the box."

That phrase means the engine is 1.6 liters and it has a turbo. The turbo helps the engine make more power than you’d expect from a small engine, so the car feels lively.

Concept

small chuckability

"And for me, I think it has a lot to do with one, the small chuckability of it. The engine is 1.6 turbo is a fun motor, 200 horsepower out the box."

“Chuckability” is basically how easy the car is to fling around corners. If a car is “chuckable,” it feels light and responsive, so you can change direction confidently—especially on a track.

Concept

All-wheel drive (AWD) and understeer

"...the reason why you don't see a lot of all wheel drive cars on here is because like a GD is a amazing daily... It will not make you a better driver because you're just fighting understeer."

All-wheel drive helps the tires grip the road, especially in bad weather. But on a track, you can still get a pushy feeling where the car doesn’t turn in as much as you want (understeer).

Term

open differential (open diff)

"...with that car, it's an open diff in the back. And with that car, it's an open diff up front, like the centers, you know, not breakable."

An open differential is a basic type of axle setup that can struggle when one wheel has less grip than the other. That can make the car harder to control on track because it won’t transfer power to the wheel that has traction.

Term

rotatable (make it rotatable)

"So there's, you would have to do so much to it to make it rotatable that like you're out of your range."

“Rotatable” is track slang for how easily a car can rotate into a turn—i.e., how willing it is to change direction under braking and steering. The hosts connect this to differential choice and traction: with open diffs, the car may resist turning, requiring costly modifications to improve rotation.

Concept

budget track-day car tradeoffs

"Unfortunately, good ones are way, are now in the 20s and the ones that are leftover or like have just, they have seen a life you don't want."

They’re talking about how cheap track cars usually come with compromises. You might get something fun and fast, but the cheaper ones often have more miles or have been driven hard before.

Term

EJ

"like you can stay flat out in a Honda all day, every day, every lap, don't worry, pull it back in, whatever, with an EJ, unfortunately, like you're always kind of worried, is this going to blow up, is this going to, whatever, and the transmission on those years isn't great either."

EJ is the name of Subaru’s older turbo engine family used in many WRX/STI cars. The point here is that when you drive them hard, some owners worry about engine reliability.

Term

transmission

"with an EJ, unfortunately, like you're always kind of worried, is this going to blow up, is this going to, whatever, and the transmission on those years isn't great either."

They’re saying the gearbox in those older cars may not handle hard track driving as well as you’d hope. That means more risk of problems if the car has been abused or neglected.

Term

wheels and tires

"I just had wheels and tires and then I evolved it to like full swap everything."

For track days, wheels and tires are one of the biggest upgrades because they control how well the car sticks to the road. Better tires can help you brake harder and turn more confidently.

Concept

full swap everything

"I just had wheels and tires and then I evolved it to like full swap everything."

“Full swap everything” means doing a lot more than one small upgrade. It usually involves replacing several parts so the car can handle track driving better and stay reliable lap after lap.

Concept

cheap track day car

"If we're looking at like cheap track day car, it doesn't, it doesn't come up."

A “cheap track day car” is a car you can take to a track without spending supercar money. The goal is to keep costs down while still having enough grip and durability for repeated laps.

Concept

all wheel drive system

"You know, um, you know, just being an all wheel drive system, you know, like there's just more, it's just more to deal with."

All-wheel drive powers all four tires, which can help grip—especially in wet or slippery conditions. The tradeoff is that it’s usually more complicated mechanically, so there are more parts to maintain.

Term

Hawkeye

"And yeah, by the way, if anyone's got a nice white blob by, let me know. Two, I'd like to buy one Hawkeye for me."

“Hawkeye” is an enthusiast nickname for a certain Subaru Impreza styling. People use it like a shorthand when they’re trying to find that exact generation.

Term

turbo cars

"[3758.8s] I mean, that's like one of the first real, I think like accessible [3762.0s] turbo cars. [3763.3s] Yeah. [3763.4s] Oh, for sure."

A “turbo car” uses a turbocharger to cram more air into the engine, which helps it make more power. The hosts are saying that turbo cars were a big, exciting step toward affordable performance.

Concept

arms race

"[3765.8s] And like just how much of a splash that, and like when the EVO like finally [3769.5s] came, you know, state side, it was like, the arms race started. [3773.0s] Ape shit."

An “arms race” is when companies keep pushing harder and harder to make their cars faster or better because competitors are doing the same. Here, it’s about performance cars improving quickly to beat rivals.

Brand

Speed Channel

"WRC was on speed channel. Yes. Watching the whole season, learning who Petter Solberg is."

Speed Channel was a TV channel that showed a lot of car and racing content. The hosts are recalling where they watched WRC.

Topic

WRC

"WRC was on speed channel. Yes. Watching the whole season, learning who Petter Solberg is."

WRC is the big international rally racing series. They’re saying they learned about rally drivers and cars by watching the seasons.

Part

downpipe

"The EVO nine came out and with a downpipe and a tune, somebody ran 11, nine."

A downpipe is a piece of the exhaust system right after the turbo. It helps gases leave the engine more easily, and when you pair it with a tune, the car can use that extra airflow safely.

Term

tune

"The EVO nine came out and with a downpipe and a tune, somebody ran 11, nine."

A tune is software changes for the car’s computer. It adjusts how much fuel and boost the engine uses, especially after you add performance parts.

Term

water sprayer

"...the Hawkeye that had like the sprayer for the cool, the water sprayer, from the factory..."

A water sprayer is a system that sprays water to help cool things down. On turbo cars, that cooling can help the engine stay happier when you’re driving hard.

Concept

center diff front to rear

"...the Hawkeye that had like the sprayer for the cool, the water sprayer, from the factory, changing the balance of the center diff front to rear..."

Some AWD cars can send power to the front and rear in different proportions. Changing that front-to-rear split can change how the car grips and turns on a track.

Term

vortex generator

"...changing the balance of the center diff front to rear, like the vortex generator in the back, auxiliary lights."

A vortex generator is a little add-on that helps shape airflow over the car. The idea is to make the air behave more predictably, which can help with stability and sometimes cooling.

Term

auxiliary lights

"...like the vortex generator in the back, auxiliary lights. It had all the buttons."

Auxiliary lights are extra headlights or lamps added to help you see better. They’re usually there for extra visibility, not just looks.

Car

Mark two Volkswagen GTI 16 valve

"talking about, and that is, it is a Mark two Volkswagen GTI 16 valve, specifically [3857.0s] 1989 to 1991, right? [3860.9s] Okay. [3861.6s] Here's why this just goes for the bang for the buck thing."

They’re describing an older Volkswagen GTI (the Mk2 generation) with a 16-valve engine. The point is that it’s light and has lots of parts available, so it’s a good, affordable car to take to a track day.

Car

Volkswagen Gti

"...een talking about, and that is, it is a Mark two Volkswagen GTI 16 valve, specifically 1989 to 1991, right?"

The Volkswagen Golf is a compact car, and the GTI is the sportier version. The podcast mentions a specific older Golf GTI from 1989 to 1991. It’s brought up because that particular model is a recognizable choice for people who like classic performance cars.

Concept

under 2000 pounds in race set

"[3865.8s] It is under 2000 pounds in race set. [3868.9s] That means with a full cage, you're under 2000 pounds. [3871.4s] 16 valve engine is about 135 horse stock."

They’re pointing out the car is very light. A lighter car usually feels quicker and handles better on track because it’s easier to slow down and change direction.

Part

full cage

"[3868.9s] That means with a full cage, you're under 2000 pounds. [3871.4s] 16 valve engine is about 135 horse stock. [3876.8s] It is a really, really well proven recipe."

A full cage is a metal safety frame inside the car. It helps protect you in a crash and can also make the car feel stiffer and more stable on track.

Term

16 valve engine

"[3871.4s] 16 valve engine is about 135 horse stock. [3876.8s] It is a really, really well proven recipe. [3880.7s] They raced them."

“16-valve” just means the engine has more valve openings than a simpler design. That can help the engine breathe better, which usually makes it feel more responsive.

Concept

GTI cup

"[3880.7s] I mean, there was like a GTI cup in America. [3883.9s] There is GTI cups all over the world. [3887.0s] And it is just a really fun, simple car to drive."

They’re referencing racing events where people compete in Volkswagen GTIs. That’s a sign the car is proven for track use and that there are lots of parts and knowledge around it.

Concept

Mark one vs Mark two chassis

"[3890.4s] I prefer the Mark one as a driver, but the Mark two is just a better chassis. [3896.0s] Like it's just, it's a little bit more adorable."

They’re saying the newer GTI generation (Mk2) is a better foundation for driving hard. The chassis is what determines how stable and predictable the car feels on track.

Concept

shares parts with the Mark three

"[3905.9s] You might not write off the whole car. [3907.2s] Like the Mark two has like it shares parts with the Mark three. [3911.8s] If later on you want to swap in an engine, there is a huge list of Lego parts that"

The hosts say the Mk2 shares parts with the Mk3, which increases parts availability and reduces cost. Shared components across generations also make it easier to source upgrades or replacements from junkyards and aftermarket suppliers.

Concept

Lego parts that fit

"[3911.8s] If later on you want to swap in an engine, there is a huge list of Lego parts that [3917.7s] fit as well as brakes. [3918.8s] You can do junkyard upgrades to that car."

The “Lego parts that fit” metaphor describes how modular and compatible the Mk2 platform is with a wide range of parts. When a car has lots of interchangeability, it’s easier to build a track setup incrementally—engine swaps, brake upgrades, and other changes become less of a custom fabrication project.

Concept

SCCA runoff

"...Like those are the cars, like runoffs, like SCCA runoff."

SCCA Runoffs are a big national event for amateur/club road racing in the U.S. Saying a car did well there means it was genuinely competitive, not just a casual track toy.

Concept

No-electronics / mechanical simplicity

"...they're very, very, very easy to work on comparatively to a lot of the newer stuff. There's no electronics."

They’re basically saying these older cars are simpler because they don’t rely as much on computers. That usually makes them easier to fix and maintain when you’re using the car hard on track days.

Term

CIS injection

"There's no electronics... it's basically, it's electric controlled mechanical CIS injection..."

CIS injection (Continuous Injection System) is a mechanical fuel-injection setup used on some older German cars and certain Honda applications. It’s often discussed because it’s “mechanical” compared with modern electronic fuel injection, but it can be finicky to diagnose and keep perfectly tuned.

Topic

Lime Rock

"I bought a Mark one in New York and then went directly to Lime Rock with it. And all I did was put our triple eights on it, which was really dumb."

Lime Rock is a race track where people do track days. It’s known for being twisty and demanding, so it’s a good place to test whether a car setup really works. If a car feels good there, it usually means it’s balanced and grippy.

Term

triple eights

"And all I did was put our triple eights on it, which was really dumb. It just, it almost rolled the car a little too sticky, right?"

“Triple eights” is a shorthand for a specific kind of performance tire. Track tires are made to grip hard, and if they’re grippy enough, they can change how the car behaves in turns. That can make the car feel like it wants to roll or load differently than you expect.

Concept

German front wheel drive offerings

"The problem is, is the reason, the reason I didn't bring it to the list is I think when you look at the German front wheel drive offerings, it's really good. Yeah."

This is a comparison concept: how German-made front-wheel-drive cars can still be competitive on track. The key idea is that with the right tires, alignment, and suspension setup, FWD cars can generate strong cornering grip and be made to rotate effectively.

Concept

underdog story

"It's an underdog story. It's an underdog story. One, everyone will root for you. You can actually be the slowest person there and still get high fives."

They mean the fun of picking a car that isn’t the “obvious” choice, but still does well enough to be enjoyable. The best part is that you can have a great time even if you’re not the fastest.

Concept

connection to steering

"Like that car just has a night, like for a front wheel drive car, it has really good connection to steering. You can feel everything in it really well."

“Connection to steering” refers to how directly the car responds to steering inputs and how clearly the driver can feel what the tires are doing. On track, better steering feel helps you place the car accurately and build confidence lap after lap.

Concept

build the whole car for 15 grand

"You can feel everything in it really well. You probably could build the whole car for 15 grand."

They’re saying you could put together a track-capable car for about $15,000. The idea is to start with something cheap and then spend money on the parts that matter for track days.

Term

"E at like" (likely "EG"/"EK"/"ED" Honda chassis reference)

"And I think about like, you know, even with my E at like, I'm a CRX guy, right?"

The speaker seems to be referencing a specific Honda model “code.” Those codes tell you which exact version of the car it is, and that changes what parts will fit and what it’s like to drive.

Car

Honda CRX

"You know, I think about my CRX, I think about a C five Corvette. I think about us sharing the track."

The Honda CRX is a small Honda from the 80s/90s that people love because it’s light and fun to drive. On a track day, that kind of car can be a great way to learn and have fun without spending a ton.

Concept

sharing the track

"I think about us sharing the track. I think about the modern era of tracking. ... because of like, how far vehicles have come and who you're sharing the space at this point, right?"

Sharing the track means other cars are driving around you at the same time. That changes how you should drive because you have to think about traffic and passing, not just your own pace.

Car

Toyota Supra

"...ra of tracking. I think about, uh, you know, new Supras and, and big cars and tiny cars. Just how fast e..."

The Supra is a sports car from Toyota that’s built to be fast and fun to drive. The podcast talks about it in the context of how quickly cars can move and how different sizes can still be exciting. It’s mentioned because it’s one of the best-known modern performance Toyotas.

Concept

vintage racers

"...it's like, kind of like, yeah, we're vintage racers. I know it's not weird. That's what's going to happen. We're vintage racers."

“Vintage racers” are people who like racing older cars. They often prefer the classic driving experience and may find it easier to justify using an older car on track.

Car

Jaguar Etypes

"We're like the guys who are like taking out like their old E-types or whatever. So we're vintage racers."

The Jaguar E-Type is a famous classic British sports car. Bringing it up is a way of saying they’re the kind of people who like older cars and might even take something like that to the track.

Concept

inner class

"That's, that's an inner class. So, but I would, I would choose like, I would probably choose that car over the fit."

They’re talking about a “class,” which is basically a category of cars for track events. Different classes can have different rules, so the best choice can depend on what class you’re running.

Concept

with all that stuff removed

"So, but I would, I would choose like, I would probably choose that car over the fit. You know, like it with all that stuff removed, right?"

They’re talking about removing extra stuff from the car. For track days, taking out unnecessary weight or items can make the car feel sharper and help it last longer.

Car

Subaru WRX

"So now we're, we're WRX versus, versus the vintage racer... I would move the WRX forward... once you fix a few suspension things on it, it's, it's great."

The Subaru WRX is a performance Subaru that uses all-wheel drive. That helps it grip the road, and with a few upgrades to suspension and brakes it can work really well for track days.

Term

camber

"...the John Otto one, bunch of camber up front, big old sway bar in the rear."

Camber is how much the wheels lean in or out. On a track, adjusting camber helps the tire stay in better contact with the road when the car leans in a turn.

Part

sway bar

"...bunch of camber up front, big old sway bar in the rear. Like you could get it to do some stuff."

A sway bar helps keep the car from leaning too much in corners. Changing it can change how the car feels when you turn—sometimes making it turn in more or feel more stable.

Concept

Neo vintage track car list

"Yeah. What, what we call Neo vintage. Yeah. So it's like the Neo vintage track car list."

“Neo vintage” is like a modern take on an older track-car vibe. The goal is to use a car with classic appeal, but upgrade it so it’s still fast and easy to maintain for track days.

Concept

track-day car era (1975-1995)

"Cars built from like 75 to 95."

They’re talking about older cars from about 1975 to 1995. People like that range for track days because the cars are usually cheaper and there’s a lot of know-how on how to keep them running.

Concept

grassroots motorsports

"I mean, we open up, open up a grassroots motor sports from, you know, nine, nine, 19, you know, or, or, 1999."

“Grassroots motorsports” means local racing run by regular car people, not huge professional teams. It’s usually where you see lots of affordable cars getting used and improved.

Term

spring rates

"I was like, I started talking in spring rates and I'm like, all right. I'm out."

Spring rates are basically how stiff the suspension springs are. Stiffer springs can help the car feel more controlled on track, but if they’re too stiff or mismatched, the tires may not stay planted.

Concept

intermediate session

"No, it's a good looking track day. That's a good, that's a good looking intermediate session."

On a track day, drivers are grouped by skill level. An “intermediate session” is usually for people who are comfortable driving the course but aren’t in the very fastest group yet. It’s meant to keep the cars closer in speed so it’s safer and less stressful.

Car

Toyota Celica

"...s vintage racing stuff. He's like E 21s, Dotson, Celicas, rabbits. We just had that conversation."

The Toyota Celica is a sporty car made by Toyota, usually in coupe form. The podcast mentions it in the context of older racing cars. That’s why it comes up—people connect it with classic motorsport and enthusiast history.

Term

Weber

"He said something you can throw a Weber or two on for that nasty 100 horsepower at the crank."

Weber usually means Weber carburetors—fuel systems used on many older performance cars. Swapping to Weber carbs can help the engine breathe and make more power, especially at higher RPM.

Concept

horsepower at the crank

"He said something you can throw a Weber or two on for that nasty 100 horsepower at the crank."

“At the crank” means the power number is measured at the engine itself, before it goes through the gearbox and drives the wheels. Wheel horsepower is usually lower because some power is lost along the way.

Concept

salvaged crash BRZ

"[4657.3s] into the like, can you search and find a car that cheap? [4660.8s] Like I'm sure I could find a salvaged crash BRZ that I could build back up to [4665.1s] make a track car. [4666.0s] You could definitely find everything we've set on this list."

They’re talking about buying a Subaru BRZ that was totaled in an accident and then fixing it up. That can save money, but you have to be careful—bad repairs can make the car unsafe on track.

Car

Lexus Is250

"So we got a wild card here. So it's a Lexus IS 250. Oh, hmm. So that was, that was the manual transmission option."

The Lexus IS 250 is a sporty Lexus sedan. Some versions came with a manual gearbox, but those cars are harder to find, so it can turn into a “hunt” when you’re trying to buy one.

Concept

crossfire injection

"...if you want to spend most of your life on the internet, learning how crossfire injection works, get a C four. Other than that, I had to learn how to do that just to help Kyle fix his car."

This is a type of fuel-injection system. If you’re tracking an older car, you may need to understand how it works so you can diagnose problems and keep the engine running reliably.

Concept

B spec

"So that's like, that's like the whole B spec. There's a spreadsheet, um, that, uh, is put together that tells you every single car..."

“B spec” here likely means a specific rules category for the event. Those rules can limit what cars qualify and what modifications you’re allowed to make.

Concept

"Different engine" changes the whole car

"It just needs a different engine. Yeah. Like that, that falls into the nine 44 or completely different gearing."

They’re saying the engine isn’t just about horsepower—it affects how the car feels and how it needs to be geared to work well. Swap the engine and you often have to rethink the rest of the drivetrain setup.

Term

gearing

"Yeah. Like that, that falls into the nine 44 or completely different gearing."

Gearing is how the car’s drivetrain is “matched” to the engine. It affects how quickly the car gets up to speed and how hard the engine has to work at highway speeds.

Concept

Rotary engine reliability ("reliability of the renaissance engine")

"Like, yeah. Great chassis. It just, it's just the reliability of the renaissance engine is, is really"

They’re talking about how the RX-8’s rotary engine can be less forgiving than a normal engine. Whether it stays healthy usually depends a lot on maintenance and how the car was treated.

Car

Ford Mustang

"...t and I just couldn't, but like, it was S one 97 Mustangs. Yeah."

The Mustang is a sports car made by Ford. The podcast mentions a ’97 Mustang, meaning a specific older version of the model. People talk about it because it’s a classic choice for performance and style.

Term

roadsters

"I had that almost on my list, but it's also a vehicle I barely fit in roadsters."

A roadster is an open-top two-seat sports car, typically with limited cabin space and less weather protection than a coupe. On track-day shopping lists, roadsters are often chosen for their light weight and driving feel, but fitment and practicality (getting in/out, headroom, storage) can be limiting.

Car

Hyundai Veloster

"...ething I don't think anyone's talked about is the Veloster N. Because that, and it's, but it's on the cusp."

The Hyundai Veloster is a small hatchback made by Hyundai. The podcast talks about the Veloster N, which is the sportier version. It’s mentioned because it’s a compact car that aims to feel more performance-oriented.

Concept

resale value

"That's going to be one of those brands that in 10 years from now, you'll see a lot of like Elantra ends and Veloster is on track because they probably won't keep their resale value."

Resale value is what you can sell the car for later. If a car’s resale value is low, you might pay less upfront, but you won’t get as much money back when you sell it.

Car

Crown Vic

"So, oh, and here's another one, which like a kind of love, uh, John Bouser Matthews says the Crown Vic. So Crown, Crown Vic has like kind of the same type of aura as a fit, right?"

“Crown Vic” is short for the Ford Crown Victoria. It’s a big sedan that people sometimes use for track days because it’s cheap, tough, and can be surprisingly fun—even if it’s not a typical sports car.

Concept

track day clown car

"So like, they kind of fit, they kind of fit into the same category of like track day clown car a little bit, you know, I mean, I've spent a good amount of time raising Crown Vicks as well."

A “clown car” here means a car that’s not what you’d expect to take to a track day, but it’s still a blast. It’s more about having fun and learning than looking like a hardcore race car.

Topic

Taxi Derby

"We were just talking about that last time, the Taxi Derby. Uh, the Taxi Derby, obviously Cletus has done three of the Cletus races."

“Taxi Derby” is a kind of racing event the hosts are talking about. They’re using it to show that these weird, everyday-style cars can still be really fun and challenging to drive.

Company

Cletus

"Uh, the Taxi Derby, obviously Cletus has done three of the Cletus races. And like, I got to raise Bristol Motor Speedway in one and A, it's terrifying."

They mention “Cletus” as the organizer or driver behind some races. The takeaway is that these events are where people test and learn with cars like the ones they’re discussing.

Concept

ice racing

"And I kind of forgot about this for other regions, uh, fantastic ice racing car. [5138.9s] Great ice racing car... having a track car that can blend into other stuff... or even things that could be fun to go do an autocross with..."

Ice racing is racing on frozen ground, where tires can’t grip like they do on pavement. Since traction is so low, you have to drive gently and smoothly to keep the car under control.

Topic

autocross

"having a track car that can blend into other stuff, or even things that could be fun to go do an autocross with like C time, C time, that does actually give the WRX."

Autocross is a timed driving event held on a closed course marked with cones, focusing on quick handling and acceleration/braking balance rather than top speed. In the segment, the hosts use autocross as an example of how a “track car” like the WRX can be versatile beyond one type of racing.

Car

Toyota MR2

"[5176.6s] Yeah... [5180.0s] The Toyota MR2. [5181.2s] It was on my list and then off my list and then back on my list."

The Toyota MR2 is a small sports car that’s generally light and fun to drive. The hosts are basically saying it’s the kind of car people forget about when making a list of track-day options.

Car

Lotus Elise

"I think sport compact car back in the day, they tried to make it like even close to a stock Elise and they couldn't."

The Lotus Elise is a small, lightweight sports car that’s famous for handling. If someone says another car is “close to a stock Elise,” they mean it tries to feel like that kind of nimble sports car.

Term

Miata goal

"When we saw the body, when we removed everything that looked like a Miata from it, the number one way to make the Miata goal was to make it not look like a Miata."

They’re talking about the “Miata look” and how to change it. The idea is that if you want the car to feel like a Miata but not look like one, you change the body/visual cues.

Concept

spiritual successor

"So like, I would choose the fit because it's the spiritual successor to my experience, you know, and, um, it's the cheapest to operate."

“Spiritual successor” just means “the closest thing to the old car’s spirit,” even if it’s not the exact same model. It’s about the overall feel and purpose, not a literal one-to-one replacement.

Concept

cheapest to operate

"So like, I would choose the fit because it's the spiritual successor to my experience, you know, and, um, it's the cheapest to operate. However, you know, if you also..."

They mean the car is cheap to run day-to-day and also cheap to wear out on track days. That usually comes down to things like affordable maintenance and parts, plus not eating tires and brakes as fast.

Term

K motor

"Like you can, you can wheel the wheel it, you know, the, it's got the K motor, right? Like, you can really grow into it. Yeah. You know, like it's, are you a big K motor fan as a Honda guy?"

“K motor” is just Honda’s name for a certain family of engines. People like them because they’re common, tunable, and have lots of aftermarket support.

Concept

engine swap / building into a platform

"Like you can really grow into it. Yeah. ... I've, um, I'm a B series guy full support. Yeah. So, so yeah, like the, the CRX I'm building is B series, you know, so, and that's my build, right?"

They’re talking about a common hobby approach: buy a car, then upgrade it step-by-step instead of doing everything at once. For track use, that often means changing or upgrading the engine and tuning it for performance.

Term

B series

"I've, um, I'm a B series guy full support. Yeah. So, so yeah, like the, the CRX I'm building is B series, you know, so, and that's my build, right?"

“B series” means a Honda engine family that a lot of people choose for performance builds. The reason it comes up is because it’s popular to modify and there are lots of parts available.

Car

Focus ST

"thinking about it and I was like, focus ST, Fiesta ST, I was like, I like smaller stuff, Fiesta. Fiesta ST is a way better car."

The Focus ST is another sporty Ford hatchback, bigger than the Fiesta ST. The hosts bring it up as a contender, but then say the smaller Fiesta ST is the better track-day choice.

Concept

sympathy vote

"So it was, it was a, yeah, it was a sympathy vote, uh, you know, from the rip. Um, and it sounds like it might've been a sympathy vote across the board. I think it's, I think it actually, in my mind, I thought it was going to be a blind spot for everybody."

A “sympathy vote” implies a choice made for reasons other than pure performance—like reputation, background, or perceived fairness—rather than the best objective option. In this context, the hosts suggest the Fiesta ST/Ford choice might have been picked because of how people feel about it, not because it’s clearly the top performer.

Concept

whippable car

"So it's a car that has value there, but it was just kind of like a fun, whippable car, really good price and not a Honda. So that's why I put it on my list."

“Whippable” is slang for a car that feels quick to rotate and easy to change direction—often due to a light weight, responsive steering, and balanced suspension. On track days, that kind of agility helps you stay on line through corners and adjust your driving without fighting the car.

Brand

MotorTrend

"SI, begrudgingly, because I would rather have the RSX, but still between those two, yes, the, the SI and the RSX, motor trends car of the year. If you had to choose between the SI and the RSX, what would it be for you?"

MotorTrend is an automotive media outlet that publishes awards like “Car of the Year.” The hosts reference it to support the idea that the Civic Si and Acura RSX were recognized as standout cars in their era.

Car

Honda Odyssey

"took a photo of the Odyssey and you were in Photoshop and you grabbed the wrong thing and you just like squashed it... Just because of the angles and the like headlights and the slope of the, the hood and the front bumper."

The Honda Odyssey is a minivan. They’re talking about how the front design—like the hood and bumper shape—can make a car look different, even if it’s just an edited photo.

Concept

Track-day complexity

"Okay. Why? Complexity. Once again, you know, yeah, just because if we're talking about track day things, right, you track a WRX because you love WRX..."

The hosts mean some cars are more complicated to use for track days. If a car needs more special attention or is harder to set up, it can be less fun when you’re trying to keep costs and hassle down.

Term

roadster with a roof

"“It’s pretty much a roadster with a roof.” “Yeah.”"

They’re describing the car as feeling like a roadster (open-air vibe) but with a roof. It’s more about the driving feel and shape than a literal convertible.

Concept

front wheel drive car out on track

"If I want to take a front wheel drive car out on track, I want to go enjoy it being really lightweight and chuckable. I'm not trying to do see five things in it. Like I think at a certain point, like people try to push front wheel drive cars too far..."

They’re saying you can have fun on a track even with a front-wheel-drive car. The key is choosing something light and easy to steer, instead of trying to make it do things it wasn’t designed for.

Car

Subaru STI

"If I had to kill the Subaru or kill the SI, what would you do? ... I did do one lab of America and an STI and it's a, it's when it rains, that you're the number one car out there."

“STI” is Subaru’s performance version of the WRX. The big advantage is usually better grip because it’s built to put power down in tough conditions like rain.

Concept

all-wheel drive (rain traction advantage)

"... the Subaru, very regional of course, but the second it rains on track, you're smoking everybody. ... when it rains, that you're the number one car out there."

They’re saying that in the rain, grip matters more than power. Cars with all-wheel drive can usually keep traction better, so they feel more confident and can be quicker when the track is wet.

Concept

track-day usability vs daily driving

"... the second it rains on track, you're smoking everybody. Right. Um, usability anywhere where it does have a lot of winter time, way more usable. Yeah. It's a great daily, great daily."

They’re talking about cars that are fun for track days but still make sense to drive every day. That usually means they’re easy to live with and handle well in real-world conditions like rain or winter.

Concept

sub 15 K

"The second that the most recent gen car becomes available sub 15 K forget it."

“Sub 15 K” just means under $15,000. They’re saying the moment newer cars become affordable enough, they tend to replace older picks for track days.

Concept

current rule set

"I just think in our current rule set with everything else presented, that's where we are today."

“Current rule set” refers to the specific constraints the hosts are using to build their list—most notably the sub-$15k budget and whatever other criteria they’re applying. It’s a reminder that rankings change when the eligibility rules change (like price thresholds or availability).

Concept

last of a generation of little analog cars

"Um, I think for the same reason as he does, it's the last of a generation of little analog cars and they're still making them right now."

When someone says “analog,” they mean the car feels more connected and straightforward to drive, not overly computerized. “Last of a generation” means it’s probably close to being replaced, so it may be the final chance to buy that style of car.

Concept

parts are interchangeable

"Like realize the gen two car, the parts are interchangeable. So it's like you have a car that is still, you could still go buy new parts for a dealership and that may continue for another couple of years."

If parts are interchangeable, it means you can often use the same replacement parts on more than one version of the car. That usually makes repairs cheaper and easier.

Concept

ranking / last place cut

"What would you, what would you put? Well, like if you were to do a ranking of this current ranking, where would you, what would be the last place for you? Cause I mean, that's basically what the car you cut is."

They’re basically talking about a game where you rank cars, then remove the one you like least. That way, the list gets smaller until you’re left with the top pick.

Car

WRX

"So for me, I have the SI at the bottom and you have the, uh, you have the WRX at the bottom... Okay... It's hard, right? Because like I, in some, in some lists, I'd put the SI really high up at the top..."

“WRX” refers to the Subaru Impreza WRX, a turbocharged compact that’s known for all-wheel-drive traction—useful for track days, especially in variable grip conditions. In a “sub-$15k track car” conversation, it’s typically valued for its balance of performance and tunability.

Concept

entry for almost anybody into having a lot of fun on track

"Somewhere around the middle... Cause it's not, it's not like an absolute must have, but I, I really like it. That it's an entry for almost anybody into having a lot of fun on track."

This is describing the idea of an “entry-level track car”—a vehicle that’s approachable for beginners. The key is that it’s predictable, affordable to maintain, and forgiving enough that you can learn track driving without constantly worrying about expensive parts or complex systems.

Concept

solid beam

"Solid beam. Wait, really? Yeah. Like, yeah, I mean, that's like a, that's like a Mark two 16."

A “solid beam” is a type of rear suspension where the wheels are connected by a rigid beam. It’s not as fancy as independent suspension, but it can still be made to handle well with the right setup.

Concept

Romantic idea vs real-world track-day experience

"...the romantic idea of the fit starts to fade when you show up to a track day and there are no other fits."

They’re saying that what sounds cool in your head doesn’t always match what it’s like when you show up. If there aren’t many similar cars around, the vibe can feel different.

Concept

put it in context

"[6591.3s] and you got to think through the pieces. [6592.5s] It's super important to put it in context. [6593.9s] All right. [6594.1s] So we now have, we now have come down, we've knocked out the fit or in our top"

They’re saying you can’t judge a car in a vacuum—you have to think about your situation. For example, what’s best for one person (or one region) might not be best for someone else.

Concept

track day side

"one thing though, just from a track day side, it's way easier to get all your shit in a GD to the track. That's true."

This is about how the car fits real track-day life. It’s not only about performance—it’s also about whether you can easily bring what you need, like extra wheels and tools.

Concept

trunk space for toolbox, jack

"You can have a trunk space for toolbox, jack, all of that. There's very little room in there."

This highlights track-day logistics: having usable cargo space for a toolbox and a jack makes it easier to handle tire changes, minor repairs, and quick fixes between sessions. It’s a real-world factor that affects how smoothly a track day goes.

Concept

stress-free laps

"And purely on the fact that you can do twice as many laps stress-free in the twins versus the WRX..."

They mean laps where you don’t feel on edge the whole time. It’s about being able to drive hard without constantly worrying something will overheat or break.

Concept

analog sports cars

"It's one of the only really good analog sports cars that's affordable that you can buy without having to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy an analog 911."

“Analog” here means the car feels more like a traditional, driver-involved machine. Instead of relying on lots of digital features, it responds in a direct, predictable way when you steer and press the gas.

Concept

consideration set

"So like the C five is in consideration with us because we've driven it all, right? ... and thinking about that car, would you consider it, even though you ... knew what it was capable of?"

A “consideration set” is the short list of vehicles a buyer actively thinks about before choosing one. Here, the hosts are explaining that the Corvette (specifically the C5) stays on their shortlist because they’ve driven it and understand its strengths.

Concept

track ready

"the number one thing I used to say about it was, it was more track ready. Like I would get into a nine 11 that all of a sudden pushed into a corner felt soft where the Corvette didn't feel soft."

“Track ready” means a car is prepared to drive hard on a track without feeling sketchy. They’re using it to say the Corvette feels more prepared for track driving than the 911.

Concept

drifting

"And you look at it now in the world of drifting, there's a reason why it's become the new go to car because it doesn't need an engine swap."

Drifting is when a driver makes the car slide sideways through a turn while still controlling it. They’re saying the C5 is a popular drift car because it’s easy to set up and doesn’t require huge changes.

Concept

lowered

"It doesn't really need much. No, like it doesn't even really need to be lowered. You do it because you have, like, because it makes it look nice with a little more angle, but our yard car had nothing."

“Lowered” means the car sits closer to the ground. They’re saying you don’t have to lower the C5 to make it work for drifting—lowering is more about looks than necessity.

Concept

track day paddock

"There's so many people racing them every weekend that if you go out to the track and you have a problem, there's probably someone in the paddock who can help you get a setup straight or whatever, because people have a ton of experience. Plus it's nice to drive to the track in."

The “paddock” is where people park their cars during a track event and work on them. The point here is that if lots of people race the same car, you’ll have help nearby when something goes wrong.

Term

Four doors

"Interior is great. Yeah. A bit more usable. Yeah. Four doors. You could get the four door."

“Four doors” just means it has two front and two rear doors. The hosts are saying it’s more convenient day-to-day and for trips to the track.

Term

consumables

"So, um, like to me, I would say that that edges out the C five. The other one is, is that the consumables on the C five are a lot more expensive."

“Consumables” are the parts that wear out and need replacing often, like tires and brake pads. Track driving uses them up faster, so the cost of consumables can make one car cheaper (or more expensive) to run.

Term

big tire

"You're running a big tire... Well, you're not going to be able to drive it to like its mechanical limit with the size tire it has..."

They’re talking about using wider/larger tires to get more grip. More grip can help you go faster, but it also changes how the car drives and how much you’ll spend on tires.

Term

mechanical limit

"...you’re not going to be able to drive it to like its mechanical limit with the size tire it has..."

They mean the point where the car itself can’t do any more, no matter how good the driver is. For example, the tires might run out of grip before you can go faster.

Term

putting power down

"...they still have a lot of trouble putting power down."

It means how well the car can accelerate without the tires slipping. If the car can’t “put power down,” you have to ease off the gas more often because the wheels lose traction.

Concept

front wheel drive car on track

"I, I, I don't have, I don't have enough experience in the Civic per se, but I have enough, I have more experience in a front wheel drive car on track."

They’re talking about what it’s like to drive a front-wheel-drive car at a track. Because the front wheels do most of the work, the car can feel different when turning and when you get back on the gas.

Concept

lap time

"On the argument, SI is probably an easier car to own, have more lap time out there."

“Lap time” is how quickly you complete a circuit, and it’s used here as a measure of how much usable track performance you can get. The hosts connect lap time to ownership practicality—if a car is easier to run, you can spend more time driving and improving.

Concept

track service ability

"The SI is the easiest car to own on the whole list, maybe the WRX, right? Like, so, you know, like maybe the WRX, you're saying in terms of ownership, I'm talking about like track service ability, I'm talking about all the whole package,"

“Track service ability” refers to how well a car can be supported during track days—things like how easy it is to maintain, how predictable it is under repeated use, and how quickly you can get back on track after issues. In this segment, it’s part of the broader “whole package” for choosing a budget track car.

Concept

whole package

"Okay. That's, I'm talking about the totality. You're talking the whole package. I was talking about the like consumable side of it, the maintenance side of it..."

They mean the entire ownership experience, not just how fast the car is. That includes whether it’s practical to live with and what it costs to keep it ready for track days.

Concept

entry point

"You know, I think the SI, right? If I'm, if I'm, you know, thinking about the like, I'm thinking about it from the, the entry point, right? Like I'm, I want to buy, I want to get a track car."

They mean the first car you buy to start doing track days. It’s about choosing something you can afford, then figuring out what you’ll have to compromise on.

Term

smoke your set of tires

"...cause in, in the C five, you will probably also smoke your set of tires in a track"

It means you’ll wear out your tires quickly by driving hard on the track. On track days, tires get hot and degrade fast, so you may need a fresh set sooner than you’d expect.

Term

pads

"day or two, whereas in the, in the pads and in the RSX SI, um, you're going to go home and you'll be fine and then you just go do your next track day again."

“Pads” usually means brake pads. On a track day, brakes get very hot, so the pads can wear out faster than on the street.

Concept

track day again

"you're going to go home and you'll be fine and then you just go do your next track day again."

They’re talking about being able to drive the car again at the next track day. That usually means the car doesn’t beat itself up too badly—especially things like brakes and tires.

Concept

track community

"I just, the RSX SI on track, the community of people you're going to be hanging out with, I would way rather be hanging out still, that is true with the Honda kids. Because while the drift community in Corvettes has become cool, I don't know"

“Track community” means the group of people you’ll end up around at track days. They’re saying that for some cars, the vibe in the paddock/garage can be a big part of whether you enjoy the experience.

Term

supercharger

"And we're like, I'm faster than everybody. I got the most expensive tires. I got this kit. I got the supercharger, blah, blah, blah. Damn, yours is stock."

A supercharger is a device that forces more air into the engine so it can make more power. In the conversation it’s brought up as an example of the kinds of upgrades people do for track days.

Concept

entry level budget car

"And I think at the end of the day, if we would have said entry level budget car, we wouldn't have included in the group because it's like just outside of entry level."

“Entry level budget car” here means a car that fits the lowest tier of a track-day shopping budget, where affordability is the main selection criterion. The hosts suggest their list includes cars that are slightly above that strict entry-level cutoff, which affects how “fair” the comparison is.

Term

twin turbo

"Twin turbo, like LS seven swapping that thing, full aero package..."

Twin turbo refers to using two turbochargers to force more air into the engine, increasing power potential. On track builds, turbo setups are often paired with supporting upgrades (fueling, cooling, and engine management) to keep performance consistent under repeated hard pulls.

Concept

interchangeability in like the order of the list

"I think there's interchangeability in like the order of the list. Right. So like, you've got, you've got like some choices based off of your preference."

They’re discussing “interchangeability” in ranking—meaning multiple cars can be swapped in order depending on what you value (driving feel, parts availability, comfort, or how easy they are to track). This is a useful way to think about track-day car lists because different drivers prioritize different strengths.

Topic

GLTC

"“...maybe one day I'll have enough time to like actually race a car in it one day. [7826.2s] I'd love that. [7827.1s] I would love, I would love to race in GLTC too.”"

GLTC is the name of a racing event/series they’re talking about. They’re basically saying they want to race there someday, so it helps to know what GLTC is and what the racing format is.

Company

heatwave

"[7860.4s] Of all the sunglass companies out there, you might ask, why heatwave? [7865.1s] Aside from them being friends of mine, they just make great shades."

They’re talking about a sunglasses brand called Heatwave. The point is that it’s common in racing and track-day circles.

Term

ANSI Z87 spec safety glasses

"[7872.0s] They even have extra large sizes for big heads like me. [7874.6s] And for those of you wearing this on the job, they make ANSI Z87 spec safety glasses too. [7880.2s] But what really attracts me to heatwave is that they are physically a part of our culture."

ANSI Z87 is a safety rating for protective glasses. It means the glasses are made to help protect your eyes from impacts, not just look cool.

Topic

King of the Hammers

"[7880.2s] But what really attracts me to heatwave is that they are physically a part of our culture. [7884.6s] You will find them everywhere from King of the Hammers to Formula Drift."

King of the Hammers is a big off-road racing event. The hosts are using it as an example of where you’ll see the sunglasses.

Topic

Formula Drift

"[7880.2s] But what really attracts me to heatwave is that they are physically a part of our culture. [7884.6s] You will find them everywhere from King of the Hammers to Formula Drift."

Formula Drift is a drifting racing series. They’re saying you’ll see the brand worn by people in that kind of racing environment.

Term

over-engineered tools

"...because you need over-engineered tools to work on today's over-engineered cars."

“Over-engineered tools” is a way of saying modern cars often require higher-precision, stronger, and better-designed tools to avoid rounding fasteners or fighting tight packaging. It’s less about needing “fancy” tools and more about durability and fit for today’s hardware.

Term

Zyklop Ratchet

"So if you're ready to step up your tool game, whether it's the Zyklop Ratchet or the Joker Wrenches, find them at wearertools.com."

The Zyklop Ratchet is a specific ratcheting tool model associated with high-quality, compact wrenching. The mention implies it’s useful for tight engine bays and stubborn fasteners.

Term

Joker Wrenches

"So if you're ready to step up your tool game, whether it's the Zyklop Ratchet or the Joker Wrenches, find them at wearertools.com."

“Joker Wrenches” refers to a line of wrenches known for flexibility and access in awkward angles. In a wrenching context, they’re typically used to reduce rounding and improve leverage on fasteners.

Term

slammed cars

"But what everyone forgets is how bad our slammed cars wrote on crappy lowering springs."

“Slammed” refers to lowering a car’s ride height significantly, usually for aesthetics and stance. The host connects it to ride/handling tradeoffs and stresses that cheap lowering springs can lead to poor results.

Term

lowering springs

"But what everyone forgets is how bad our slammed cars wrote on crappy lowering springs. At the time, that's all my wallet could muster."

Lowering springs are aftermarket springs that reduce ride height. They can change ride quality and suspension geometry, and when paired with mismatched shocks or poor-quality components, they can feel harsh or cause premature wear.

Brand

KW

"But when I finally did step up and get some proper coilovers, I went for KWs and never looked back."

KW makes performance suspension parts. The host is saying their coilovers made a big difference for him over the years.

Car

Land Rover Discovery

"9-11 to my RS2. I even have a custom set in my Land Rover Discovery. And yes, that bloody thing does finally run."

The Land Rover Discovery is a larger SUV made for both everyday driving and tougher roads. The podcast talks about it in a personal ownership context—getting it to run properly. It’s mentioned because it’s the kind of vehicle that can be involved to maintain.

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