TOP FIVE Sub $15k Track Day Cars You Can Buy Right Now?
About this episode
Budget track-day shopping gets turned into a full-on debate as hosts Ron Zaris and Chris Stewart (Gridlife co-founder) set strict rules for a sub-$15k, US-available, drive-to-the-track car with “reasonable” mods and a post-session “ice cream test.” They argue through lists heavy on Honda practicality and rear-wheel-drive fun, plus a few wildcard picks. The final top five lands on BMW E46 330i, Corvette C5, BRZ/FRS twins, Subaru WRX (GD), and the 8th-gen Civic Si—while the Honda Fit, Fiesta ST, and others get cut in the final rounds.
Firing Order is BACK for its first outing in season 3 and this week we’ve got Chris Stewart, co-founder of GRIDLIFE and all-round track sensei RonCar, aka Ron Zaras, founder of AntiLag here to join Scotto in debating the Top Five Budget Track Day Cars! Don’t worry, as you’ve come to love and expect: there are tangents-a-plenty and while an objective ranking (clearly, not the work of “three idiots”) may eventually be reached, they take their sweet time battling it out on their way there. Meanwhile, Scotto… well, I think Scotto just wants to found a neo-vintage racing class? Grab your helmets and spare tires, we’re off to the track, baby!
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00:00 Welcome & Introduction
00:26 Sponsors: Heat Wave Visual & Wera Tools
02:30 Meet Chris Stewart, co-founder of GridLife
11:12 Rules and Ice Cream Test
16:55 Chris’s List
33:55 Ron’s List
45:32 Two from Each List Advance
52:38 Sponsor: FCP Euro
54:51 Scotto’s List
01:16:10 Blindspots (from Patreon)
01:33:41 Final Six
01:34:17 Sponsor: Vyper Industrial Snack Cart
01:35:53 Number Six Gets Cut
01:49:5 Ranking the Top Five
02:08:37 Final Top Five List
Viper Industrial
"It is another episode of Firing Order brought to you by Viper Industrial. This is the show where we get into extremely nuanced arguments about random rankings of things in the car world"
They’re the company sponsoring the podcast. Sponsors like this are usually connected to car gear or performance products.
Viper Industrial is mentioned as the show’s sponsor. In automotive podcasts, sponsors are often related to tools, fabrication, or performance products, so it can be a clue about the audience’s interests.
Track day cars
"Gridlife co-founder, Chris Stewart, to rank the top five budget track day cars. Let's get into it."
A track day car is a car you take to a race track for fun and practice. The goal is usually something that’s not too expensive to buy or keep running.
“Track day cars” are vehicles chosen specifically for driving on a closed course for events, where braking, tires, cooling, and chassis feel matter more than everyday comfort. Budget track-day cars are typically selected for affordable purchase price plus manageable maintenance and parts availability.
10 millimeter
"that missing 10 millimeter before it vanishes forever. [84.6s] Plus the inserts fit perfectly"
“10 millimeter” is a specific size wrench/socket. Mechanics joke that it always goes missing right when you need it.
The “10 millimeter” is a common metric socket/wrench size that’s notorious among mechanics for disappearing. It’s become a meme because it’s small, easy to misplace, and essential for many fasteners.
stainless steel rolling cabinets
"Plus the inserts fit perfectly [86.5s] into wearer stainless steel rolling cabinets, [88.6s] which come both in regular and double XL."
They’re talking about wheeled tool boxes made from stainless steel. Different sizes mean you can store more tools or fit larger organizers.
Stainless steel rolling cabinets are mobile tool chests designed to keep tools organized and protected. The mention of “regular” and “double XL” implies different storage capacities and insert sizes.
wearertools.com
"Go check them out at wearertools.com. [119.5s] I like it."
They’re pointing you to a website where you can buy tools and tool storage. The idea is that the foam inserts and cabinets are made to fit together.
wearertools.com is a retailer for specialty garage tools and tool storage. In this segment, it’s mentioned as the place to check out the matching foam inserts and rolling cabinets.
race series
"But you actually run race series. Like this is your profession. We're maybe spectators on it."
A race series is like a season of races. Drivers compete at several events, usually with the same rules, and sometimes earn points for overall standings.
A “race series” is a set of events that happen over a season, where drivers compete under a consistent set of rules. Points or standings are often tracked across multiple rounds.
Gridlife
"So I am Chris Stewart and I am the founder of Gridlife. So I've been facilitating track time in competition and other forms in a variety of places"
Gridlife is a group that organizes track events for regular drivers and enthusiasts. The host is saying he runs those events as his job.
Gridlife is a motorsports community/organization focused on track events and grassroots racing culture. In the context of the episode, it’s presented as the founder’s professional work—facilitating track time and competition.
track time
"So I've been facilitating track time in competition and other forms in a variety of places"
“Track time” refers to scheduled on-track sessions where drivers can practice and improve their skills. It’s often sold as part of track-day programs, sometimes with coaching or structured competition.
competition and track day culture
"...puppeteering the environment for competition and track day culture to happen. Yeah. I think that's a super interesting thing too..."
They’re talking about how racing events and the community around them feed each other. When people feel part of a scene, they keep coming back and bringing others.
This phrase points to how organized competition and community traditions reinforce each other in grassroots motorsports. Events that support both typically attract repeat participants and build long-term fan bases.
drift event
"Like the combo of a music festival and like a drift event and just time attack is cool, but you guys have much more than just time attack, right?"
A drift event is when drivers try to slide the car sideways through turns on purpose. The goal is to do it smoothly and consistently, not just to set the fastest lap.
A drift event focuses on controlled oversteer where the driver intentionally slides the car through corners while maintaining speed and angle. It’s different from pure time-attack because judging often emphasizes style and consistency as much as lap time.
time attack
"...drift event and just time attack is cool, but you guys have much more than just time attack, right? ...lifelong fans because of that."
Time attack is when drivers try to set the fastest lap time on a track. It’s like a competition version of a track day, with timing and structured runs.
Time attack is a motorsport format where drivers run timed laps (often in multiple sessions) to achieve the fastest time on a circuit. It’s commonly associated with track-day-style events but with more structured competition and timing.
classes
"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."
“Classes” are categories that help keep competition fair. Cars with similar rules and performance levels compete against each other.
In track racing, “classes” are rule-based groupings that determine which cars compete together, often based on vehicle type and allowed modifications. The host mentions seven classes for time attack, including “club SC” and “club TR,” implying a structured ladder of eligibility and build levels.
club SC
"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."
“Club SC” sounds like a category name for a specific set of rules. It’s how the event groups cars so similar builds race together.
“Club SC” appears to be one of the time-attack class designations used by Gridlife. These class names typically correspond to specific rules about what modifications are allowed and how cars are prepared for competition.
club TR
"So that's seven classes, you know, club SC, club TR, all that kind of moving up."
“Club TR” is likely a specific competition category with its own rules. It helps decide which cars can compete together.
“Club TR” is another class designation referenced within Gridlife’s time-attack structure. Like other class systems, it likely defines allowed modifications and helps determine where a car fits in the event’s competitive ladder.
grid like touring car
"So we've got a GLTC, so that's a grid like touring car. [306.5s] So that's a 12 and a half to one power to weight ratio"
This is a type of race where cars start in a grid and drive side-by-side. It’s more like normal racing for position than just trying to set the fastest lap by yourself.
“Grid like touring car” describes a racing format where cars compete wheel-to-wheel on a grid, similar to touring-car racing. The key idea is that it’s not just about beating the clock—drivers race each other directly for position and results.
power to weight ratio
"So that's a 12 and a half to one power to weight ratio [309.1s] kind of math rule book and that's wheel to wheel racing."
Power-to-weight ratio is how much “go power” a car has compared to how heavy it is. A higher number usually means the car feels faster because it has more pull per pound.
Power-to-weight ratio is a performance metric that compares engine output (power) to vehicle mass (weight). Higher numbers generally mean quicker acceleration and better overall performance, which is why series rules often target a specific ratio.
wheel to wheel racing
"[309.1s] kind of math rule book and that's wheel to wheel racing. [312.0s] So first to the finish line, you know,"
Wheel-to-wheel racing is when multiple cars are on track at the same time and you’re trying to beat other drivers, not just your own time. It’s usually more chaotic and strategy-heavy.
Wheel-to-wheel racing means cars compete directly against each other on track, not just against the clock. It adds complexity like traffic management, overtaking strategy, and risk control compared with time-attack formats.
spec racer
"And then we have the Rush series. [343.2s] So Rush is a really cool kind of spec racer"
A spec racer is a race car where many parts are standardized by the rules. That helps keep costs down and makes the competition more about driving and allowed tuning.
A spec racer is a racing car built to a standardized rule set, so performance differences are limited by design. This usually shifts competition toward driver skill and setup within the allowed parameters, rather than expensive engineering arms races.
factory built cars
"What's the spec? [352.8s] So they're factory built cars, right? [354.8s] Have you seen the Rush cars?"
Factory built cars means the race cars are made by the manufacturer (or an approved builder). It usually makes the cars more similar to each other so it’s easier to compete.
“Factory built cars” implies the spec series uses cars assembled by the manufacturer (or an approved builder) rather than one-off customer builds. That typically improves parity and reduces the amount of custom fabrication needed to compete.
spec series
"[361.9s] Yeah, so that's our only spec series, right? [365.1s] Yeah, so. [365.7s] The fit thing wasn't really a spec series."
A spec series is racing where the cars are controlled by rules so they’re very similar. That way, it’s less about who spent the most money and more about driving well and making smart setup choices.
A “spec series” is a racing format where cars are kept close to identical by rules—often limiting engine mods, suspension changes, and other performance differences. The goal is to reduce cost and make driver skill and setup choices the main differentiators.
spec fit
"So the behavior that spawned what was spec fit, [412.1s] which then became Sunday Cup is now club SC,"
This sounds like a community-made rule set. The idea is to keep cars more similar so racing is more about driving than spending money.
“Spec fit” sounds like a grassroots spec/fitment rule set that grew out of what track-day communities were already doing. In motorsports, these kinds of rules often standardize cars so drivers compete more on skill than on budget.
Sunday Cup
"which then became Sunday Cup is now club SC, [415.8s] which stands for club Sunday Cup or club slow car."
Sunday Cup here seems like a specific track-day club event or format. It’s basically a way for people to race together under shared rules.
“Sunday Cup” is described as an evolution of an earlier behavior/rule set into a formal club format. The hosts connect it to “club SC,” implying a specific track-day/club racing culture rather than a generic race series.
Gran Turismo
"Yeah, which is like the Gran Turismo classic. [421.0s] Yeah, however you want to digest it,"
Gran Turismo is a famous racing video game. They’re comparing the vibe of this club racing to that kind of “car culture” experience.
Gran Turismo is referenced as a cultural comparison for the “club slow car” vibe. It’s a well-known racing game franchise, and the hosts are using it to describe the feel of community racing rather than a specific real-world series.
dodgy bonk
"That's like the birth of the dodgy bonk. [435.9s] I would say that's dodgy bonk. [437.9s] They would say it."
“Dodgy bonk” sounds like a slang term for sketchy fender-bender moments. It’s basically describing how close racing can lead to awkward contact.
“Dodgy bonk” is presented like a coined term for a specific kind of contact/incident that happened when “slow cars” were racing closely. The context suggests it’s about the chaos and risk of bumper-to-bumper driving in early club sessions.
nose to bumper
"And then they started, you know, going bumper to, [444.7s] you know, like nose to bumper, [446.2s] you know, in the advanced session,"
This means driving extremely close together. When cars are that close, it’s easier to bump each other if someone brakes or turns differently.
“Nose to bumper” describes very close, low-gap driving—especially in sessions where slower cars are mixed into more aggressive groups. It’s a recipe for contact if drivers aren’t aligned on pace and passing etiquette.
diesel truck racing started as well
"with these slow cars. [449.7s] That's how diesel truck racing started as well. [452.6s] It was like guys would go drag racing,"
They’re saying a similar thing happened in diesel truck racing—people started racing in a messy, improvised way and it turned into a real scene. The common thread is community momentum, not perfect preparation.
The hosts draw a parallel between the “slow car” club chaos and how diesel truck racing reportedly began. The idea is that informal, broken or mismatched vehicles can spark a new motorsport subculture when people keep showing up and racing anyway.
drag racing
"It was like guys would go drag racing, [454.4s] they'd blow their car up,"
Drag racing is racing in a straight line over a short distance. You accelerate hard to see who’s fastest.
Drag racing is a straight-line motorsport where cars accelerate over a short distance to determine the winner. The hosts mention it as part of the broader pattern of people pushing cars until they break, then bringing the survivors back.
Cummins
"but like they would pull out my Cummins [458.0s] and run my Cummins down the hill [459.4s] and I'll race my buddy who brought his Cummins"
“Cummins” is shorthand for a diesel engine made by Cummins. People associate it with a lot of torque (pulling power), especially in certain Dodge trucks, so it often shows up in drag or racing stories.
“Cummins” refers to Cummins diesel engines, most commonly the inline-six used in Dodge Ram trucks. In track-day or street-racing talk, it usually means a turbo-diesel setup with strong low-end torque that can dominate short pulls and roll races.
SCCA club world
"And there's obviously like Beast back, you know, [465.4s] and that stuff that comes from, you know, [466.9s] kind of the SCCA club world and those types of things. [470.0s] But like in our environment,"
SCCA is a big U.S. organization that runs amateur road racing events. When someone says “SCCA club world,” they mean the community and rules that come from that grassroots racing scene.
The SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) is a major grassroots motorsports organization in the U.S., and its club-racing culture heavily influences track-day rules, classes, and community norms. When hosts reference the “SCCA club world,” they’re pointing to how amateur racing ecosystems shape what gets popular and how cars are prepared.
track day car is broken
"But like in our environment, [472.0s] like Fitts became popular because like that's what started it. [475.4s] It's just like my track day car is broken. [477.3s] You know, I'm just gonna rip this daily, you know?"
This is describing a common track-day reality: if your dedicated track car breaks, people may temporarily use a daily driver instead. That choice affects performance, safety, and compliance with event rules, since daily cars often aren’t set up for sustained track use.
power band width factor
"And it's, you have such specifics, [488.3s] like a power band width factor [491.9s] that takes percentages away, [493.0s] but then like six lines later is like,"
A “power band width factor” is a rules-based way to quantify how broad (or narrow) an engine’s effective power delivery is across RPM. In racing rulebooks, it’s often used to balance different engines by accounting for where they make usable power, not just peak output.
rally racing
"So the two of us, like Ron and I have had the conversation [505.8s] about one of the big issues that rally racing has, [509.6s] and I'm about to just say this in the public,"
Rally racing is a motorsport where cars race on timed stages over public or closed roads, often with mixed surfaces and changing grip. The “big issues” being referenced likely relate to how rules, competition formats, or vehicle preparation differ from circuit/track-day culture.
rally cars
"Very few rally cars look cool, which means that you're less likely to take a photo of them"
Rally cars are race cars built for rough, changing surfaces—like dirt or gravel—where grip can change a lot. They’re made to handle bumps and traction changes better than a normal car.
Rally cars are purpose-built (or heavily modified) vehicles designed for timed stages on loose or uneven surfaces like gravel, dirt, or snow. They’re engineered for durability and traction over changing grip, which is different from typical track-day setups.
rules to prevent cheating
"So like a lot of those rules like come from like, yo, we really gotta prevent these friends from like not being friends. Let me translate that. Racers are gonna cheat."
Racing rules are meant to keep everyone on a level playing field and to keep things safe. The idea here is that some people will look for loopholes to gain an advantage if the rules aren’t tight.
Motorsport rules often exist to keep competition fair by limiting modifications and enforcing safety standards. The transcript’s “racers gonna cheat” idea reflects a common reality: when incentives are high, some participants may try to exploit loopholes until enforcement catches up.
push the limit
"Because you will push the limit until you can't anymore. No, 100%, right?"
“Push the limit” describes driving or tuning behavior where you keep increasing performance or aggression until the car reaches its traction, braking, or mechanical limits. On track, this is where tires overheat, brakes fade, and driver mistakes become more likely.
$15,000
"So first up we have is the price. So the base car has to be bought for $15,000."
They’re using a strict budget limit of $15,000 for the car you start with. That budget affects which cars you can realistically buy and still afford to maintain for track days. It also limits the list of cars they’ll consider.
The hosts set a hard purchase-price cap: the “base car” must be bought for $15,000. For track-day shopping, this kind of cap matters because it determines what cars are realistically available, how much you’ll spend on safety items, and whether parts are affordable when something wears out. It also shapes the “consideration set” of models they can even consider.
base car
"And when I say base car, that means that the vehicle runs, drives, you can go purchase it and you can drive it home."
They mean the “base car” is the car you can actually buy and drive right away. It’s not a broken project or something you have to fix before it’s usable. For track days, starting with something that runs and drives helps avoid surprises.
Here, “base car” means a complete, usable vehicle you can buy and drive home—rather than a project, non-running car, or parts-only purchase. For track-day use, starting with a drivable car reduces the risk of hidden mechanical issues and makes it easier to budget for track prep (like tires and brakes). It’s a practical filter for what’s actually “track-ready” after purchase.
readily available in the United States
"...it also has to be readily available in the United States. Meaning it could be a car that's important, but like you have to be able to easily find it."
They want the car to be easy to find for sale in the U.S. That matters because if a car is rare, it can be harder and more expensive to get parts and repairs. So they’re focusing on cars that are practical for most people to buy.
The hosts require the car to be “readily available in the United States,” meaning it should be easy to find in the market. This matters for track-day ownership because availability usually correlates with parts sourcing, community knowledge, and reasonable repair costs. It’s essentially a filter for cars that are practical to own long-term, not just rare imports.
ice cream test
"“So explain the ice cream test.” … “Yeah, so the ice cream test is you have to be able to take a friend, a significant other, your spouse to get ice cream in it. After, after the track.”"
The “ice cream test” is basically: can your track car still be used like a normal car with a passenger. If you’ve stripped it so much that you can’t comfortably take someone along after the track, the community says it’s gone too far.
The “ice cream test” is a community rule used to judge whether a track-day car is still practical enough to bring a passenger along after driving. If you can’t comfortably get someone for ice cream in the car, it’s taken as a sign you stripped it down too far (for example, removing seats or making it too uncomfortable).
Track-day budget planning (daily driver + track car)
"to be a proper budget car, [754.0s] you have to drive it to the track. [755.3s] That's right. [755.6s] Because one, owning a truck, also owning a trailer [758.5s] and having a parking for that, there's no budget at all."
They’re saying that if you’re on a tight budget, you often don’t buy a separate track-only car. You use your regular car for track days too, so it has to be both practical for everyday driving and tough enough for the track.
The hosts are describing a common budget approach: instead of buying a dedicated track car, you use your daily driver as your track-day car. That means the car has to be reliable enough for commuting and capable enough to handle track use without turning the project into an expensive build.
"$15K" budget constraint (mods within reason)
"[786.2s] The 15K does not include mods, but as we discussed, [789.4s] like mods have to be within reason. [791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car"
They’re treating the $15k as the car’s price, not counting upgrades. And they want upgrades that are affordable and straightforward—nothing that turns it into a huge, expensive project.
They’re setting a hard budget for the car purchase price (the “15K”), and explicitly saying it doesn’t include modifications. They also emphasize that any mods must be reasonable, meaning you shouldn’t need major fabrication or expensive forced-induction conversions to make the car track-capable.
turbocharger
"[789.4s] like mods have to be within reason. [791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it."
A turbocharger is a device that helps the engine make more power. They’re saying you shouldn’t need to add one (or do a turbo conversion) to get a car ready for track days on a tight budget.
A turbocharger forces more air into the engine, typically increasing power but also adding complexity and cost. The hosts are using it as an example of a build that’s too expensive or involved for a sub-$15k track-day plan.
"Back half the whole car" (major chassis/body modification)
"[791.2s] It can't be a car that requires a turbocharger [794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it. [800.3s] Like none of that works."
“Back halfing” means doing a big, structural repair or modification to the rear of the car. That kind of work is expensive and time-consuming, so it doesn’t fit their budget track-day rules.
“Back halfing” usually means cutting and replacing the rear section of the car’s structure (often for a different drivetrain setup or to change the chassis). It’s a major fabrication job that typically costs far more than a budget track-day build, which is why the hosts rule it out.
suspension
"[794.1s] or is like, I need to back half the whole car [796.4s] and to redo all the suspension or to frame it. [800.3s] Like none of that works. [801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette."
Suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the tires grip the road. They’re saying you shouldn’t have to replace basically all of it to make the car suitable for track days.
Suspension components control ride quality and, more importantly for track use, how the tires stay planted during cornering and braking. The hosts are saying you shouldn’t need a full suspension overhaul to make the car work for their budget plan.
"Basic car in silhouette" (keep the platform stock-looking)
"[800.3s] Like none of that works. [801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"
They mean the car should basically stay the same car—no major cutting or rebuilding. The goal is to pick something you can get ready for the track with normal upgrades, not a full transformation.
“In silhouette” means the car should remain fundamentally the same platform—visually and structurally—rather than being heavily cut up or rebuilt. For budget track cars, this usually translates to choosing a model that can be made track-ready with simpler bolt-on upgrades.
brakes
"[801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"
Brakes are what slow the car down, and on a track they get very hot. That’s why brake upgrades are often needed to keep stopping power consistent.
Brakes are critical on track because repeated hard stops generate a lot of heat and can cause fade. The hosts are listing brakes as part of the “reasonable” upgrade path for making a budget car suitable for track use.
wheels, tires
"[801.5s] It has to be the basic car in silhouette. [804.0s] Wheels, tires, suspension brakes,"
Tires are what actually grip the road, and wheels help support the tire setup. For track days, changing tires (and sometimes wheels) is one of the simplest upgrades that can make a big difference.
Wheels and tires are the most direct way to improve grip and heat management for track driving. For budget track-day cars, upgrading tires (and sometimes wheel fitment) is often the biggest performance gain without requiring major mechanical changes.
reliability part
"Actually more from a reliability part. And actually, in order to get on the track, you just need to make sure..."
When people say “reliability” for track days, they usually mean making sure the car won’t overheat, break, or suffer fluid-related failures under sustained load. Common reliability checks include cooling system health, brake fluid condition, and basic wear items.
contaminate
"D-Lamb. Yeah, that aren't going to contaminate. But brakes, brakes and fluid."
Contamination means something got on the tire surface that makes it less grippy. If your tires aren’t clean and free of harmful stuff, they can feel slippery and unsafe.
Tire contamination refers to substances on the tire surface (like oil, brake dust, or chemicals) that can reduce grip. On track, reduced traction can lead to sliding, longer stopping distances, and less predictable handling.
Marketplace
"So arguably you should be able to go onto Marketplace right now... go pick it up and within one week... go to a track day."
They’re talking about buying a used car from an online marketplace and then going to a track day with it. The idea is that cost isn’t everything—condition and safety matter most.
The mention of “Marketplace” points to buying a used car quickly and then taking it to a track day soon after. For listeners, it highlights that you don’t necessarily need an expensive track-only car—what matters is having a car that can be made safe and reliable for track use.
bang for the buck
"And then I think one of the other ones, [876.9s] I think is the most important is that this is not [878.7s] about being competitive. [880.2s] It's about like, bang for the buck."
It just means you’re trying to get the most fun or performance for the money. Instead of chasing the absolute fastest car, you pick one that’s affordable and still enjoyable on track.
“Bang for the buck” means getting the most enjoyment or capability per dollar spent. In the context of track-day cars, it’s about choosing something that delivers seat time and fun without requiring a huge budget.
Smiles per mile
"[881.6s] Smiles per mile. [882.6s] Like it doesn't matter if you go to the track day [884.0s] and you get laughed on everyone, [886.7s] as long as like you're having a really good time."
It’s a fun way to say “how enjoyable is this car to drive?” Not just how fast it is—more about the experience you get every time you drive.
“Smiles per mile” is a way to measure driving enjoyment rather than raw performance. For track days, it emphasizes how fun the car feels and how much you can drive (and learn) during the event.
seat time
"[889.6s] And you get to keep driving and you get a lot of seat time. [892.1s] I've seen it with a couple of friends of ours,"
“Seat time” refers to how long you’re actually driving during a track day. More seat time usually means more learning, better confidence, and more opportunities to practice lines and braking points.
race to the bottom
"faster than anybody else. That's a race to the bottom. Like you're just gonna make a time attack car on accident, right?"
“Race to the bottom” means everyone keeps pushing harder, but the result is worse for you instead of better. Here, it’s about chasing speed in a way that can wreck your car.
“Race to the bottom” is a phrase meaning people keep escalating effort or spending in a way that leads to worse outcomes overall. In this context, it suggests chasing ever-faster times can push drivers toward increasingly destructive behavior or setups.
Mustang Fox Body
"who would smoke this shit out of you in a Fox body. But he doesn't think any of you are good."
“Fox body” is a nickname for a generation of Ford Mustang from the late 1970s through the early 1990s. People like them for track and drag use because there are lots of parts and tuning options.
“Fox body” refers to the Ford Mustang built on the Fox platform (commonly 1979–1993). It’s a popular track and drag-car base because of strong aftermarket support and the platform’s tuning potential.
track that's really fast vs slow car that's really technical
"Cause like, if you live in a track that's really fast, [1040.9s] a slow car that's really technical, [1043.2s] that's not going to be even outside of like,"
Not all race tracks are the same. Some are more about going fast in a straight line, while others are more about turning and braking a lot. A car that struggles on one type of track might do great on the other.
Track layout matters a lot: a “fast” track rewards cars with strong top-end power and stability, while a “technical” track (tight corners, heavy braking, frequent direction changes) rewards balance, braking, and traction. A car that feels slow on a fast track can still be quick overall if it handles well through complex sections.
gen one
"and this would be, this would be gen one. Cause you really can get a scion for that price point. Or you can still get a BRZ."
“Gen one” just means the first version of that car. When you’re buying used, the generation can change how easy it is to find parts and how reliable the car tends to be.
“Gen one” means the first generation of a model line. In used-car shopping, generation matters because later generations often have different engines, chassis updates, and reliability/parts availability.
availability
"Okay. So talk about reliability. Talk about availability. Not, not a, not a car that I like gravitate towards."
Availability refers to how easy it is to find a specific car in the used market at a reasonable price. For enthusiasts, it also often implies parts availability and community support for maintenance and upgrades.
takeover tax
"It's also got a pretty heavy drift and takeover tax on it right now. But we'll get to that."
“Takeover tax” is slang for when a car gets so popular in a scene that the price jumps. You end up paying more than you would if it were just a normal used car.
“Takeover tax” is slang for the price premium that happens when a car becomes popular with a specific subculture (often street/scene events). The hosts imply that this popularity inflates used prices beyond what you’d expect for the car’s baseline value.
Honda Fit
"and the pie chart. And the second gen Honda fit. Nice."
The Honda Fit EV is a small Honda Fit that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. The podcast mentions it because it’s an EV version of a practical compact car. It’s brought up as an example of how small cars can be electric too.
The Honda Fit EV is an electric version of the Honda Fit, combining the Fit’s compact, practical packaging with an all-electric powertrain. The podcast references it alongside the “second gen Honda fit,” indicating interest in specific Fit generations and how they translate to EV form. It’s discussed because it’s a niche but notable attempt at making an EV feel like a small, usable city car.
run track days for four years for that budget
"[1129.3s] I figured you, I mean, that's way under budget, right? [1131.9s] So like with that car, you can get the car, [1133.9s] you can get all the parts and you can run track days [1135.8s] for four years for that budget."
They’re talking about the overall cost of doing track days, not just buying the car. The big expenses over time are things that wear out—like tires and brakes—plus upgrades you may need to make the car track-ready.
This is a “total cost of ownership” style way of thinking about track cars: not just the purchase price, but how long you can keep doing track days before the budget runs out. It usually includes consumables like tires and brake pads/rotors, plus any basic safety and performance upgrades.
longevity
"[1135.8s] for four years for that budget. [1138.2s] There's something to be said about the longevity. [1140.2s] So I'm going to go ahead and say right off the bat,"
Longevity means “how long the car can keep going” without you constantly spending money. For track days, it’s about reliability and how expensive it is to replace the things that wear out.
“Longevity” here means how well a budget track car can keep being used over time without major financial surprises. In practice, it often comes down to reliability, how often you’ll replace wear items, and how easy it is to source parts and maintain the car.
shifter on the dash
"So the EP was cool, but like a little bit like, that's a little oddball. Had the shifter on the dash."
Some cars put the gear shifter on the dashboard instead of between the seats. It’s a different layout that can feel unusual at first, but it’s part of what makes certain older cars memorable.
“Shifter on the dash” describes a layout where the gear lever is mounted to the dashboard rather than on the center console. That design choice can change how the cabin feels and how the car is ergonomically used during spirited driving.
rise of the crossover
"[1217.3s] But like if you remember that point in time where it's like, [1219.7s] man, all the, all the enthusiast cars are going away, [1221.9s] right? [1222.3s] Like it's the. [1223.3s] It's the rise of the crossover."
This is about how more people started buying crossovers and SUVs instead of regular cars. When that happens, car companies build fewer “fun” cars and more family-friendly crossovers.
The “rise of the crossover” refers to the shift in the U.S. market from traditional sedans and enthusiast-focused cars toward crossovers and SUVs. That trend changed what automakers prioritized, often reducing the number of affordable, sporty options.
K20 Z three
"[1234.7s] So Civic SI. [1237.3s] K20 Z three, right? [1239.0s] So, you know, K series, great motor, right?"
“K20 Z3” refers to Honda’s K-series engine family variant commonly associated with the Civic Si/SiR era, known for strong aftermarket support and a high-revving character. The hosts are highlighting it as a “great motor” with lots of parts available.
Limited slip
"[1242.1s] Yeah. A lot of support. [1243.6s] Limited slip, you know, from the factory. [1246.9s] That is nice."
A limited-slip differential helps both drive wheels work together better. If one wheel starts slipping, it helps send more power to the wheel with grip.
A limited-slip differential (often shortened to “LSD”) helps the driven wheels maintain traction when one side loses grip. From the factory, it can make a big difference for track-day confidence because it reduces wheelspin and improves how power transfers under cornering.
front wheel drive cars on track
"Have you driven a lot of front wheel drive cars? The LSD really can change. It really, really. I mean, I guess I've only ever driven LSD, front wheel drive cars on track."
On a track, front-wheel-drive cars have to both steer and drive from the front wheels. If the front wheels lose grip, the car can’t put power down well—so upgrades like an LSD can make a noticeable difference.
Front-wheel-drive (FWD) cars can feel very different on track because the same axle handles both steering and propulsion. Traction management becomes critical, and an LSD can help prevent wheelspin that would otherwise limit how much power the car can actually use.
Hyundai Elantra
"...power. Cause I guess I take the granted like the Elantra, the Elantra and I raced or two years ago,"
The Hyundai Elantra is a compact sedan meant for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it alongside talk about power and racing, meaning people treat it as more than just a basic commuter. It’s brought up because it can be part of performance conversations.
The Hyundai Elantra is a compact sedan known for being practical and widely used as an everyday car. The podcast mentions it in the context of “power” and references racing, which suggests the Elantra is being discussed as a platform people can drive hard or modify. That’s why it appears in an enthusiast-focused conversation.
front wheel drive diff
"The front wheel drive diff on that thing is super developed. Yeah. It's point and shoot."
A “diff” helps the wheels turn at different speeds when you’re cornering. That matters because the inside and outside wheels don’t travel the same distance around a turn. It’s a big part of why a front-wheel-drive car feels predictable and controllable.
“Diff” is short for differential, the gearbox that lets the left and right front wheels rotate at different speeds—especially while turning. On a front-wheel-drive car, the differential is part of the transaxle and strongly affects how the car feels under throttle and in corners.
aftermarket support
"great daily, you know, great aftermarket support, you know, uh, and, um, you know, just as far as like livability plus being able to throw it"
“Aftermarket support” means how many replacement and performance parts are available from companies other than the original manufacturer. For track-day use, strong aftermarket support matters because it makes it easier to upgrade brakes, suspension, tires, and cooling without hunting for rare parts.
livability
"great aftermarket support, you know, uh, and, um, you know, just as far as like livability plus being able to throw it around, you know, and not worry about it, right?"
“Livability” means how easy and comfortable the car is to live with day to day. The speaker is saying it’s not only a track-capable car—it’s also pleasant enough for normal driving.
“Livability” refers to how comfortable and usable a car is in everyday life—things like ride quality, ergonomics, practicality, and ease of ownership. In the track-day context, it’s the idea that you can drive it daily and still take it to the track without it feeling miserable or fragile.
junkyard
"you could go to any junkyard and get a door and a windshield and a panel and whatever cars..."
A junkyard is a place that sells used parts from cars that have been wrecked. If you break something at the track, junkyards can be a cheaper way to replace it.
A junkyard (salvage yard) is where you can buy used parts from wrecked cars. For track-day cars, this matters because body panels and glass can be replaced cheaply if you damage something.
eating that thing into corners
"where if you're eating that thing into corners... and you're not super afraid of crunching a tail light..."
It means you drive into the corner with confidence instead of being scared and slowing down. When you’re not worried about wrecking, you can practice better and improve.
“Eating that thing into corners” is informal driving language meaning you commit to the turn and use the car’s grip rather than backing off. It ties to confidence: if you’re not afraid of damage, you can drive more consistently and learn faster.
tail light
"...crunching a tail light or offender or whatever. That's, that isn't precious."
A tail light is the red light on the back of the car. If you hit something and break it, it’s often a relatively simple and affordable fix compared to bigger damage.
A tail light is a rear lighting assembly, and it’s a common “small but annoying” track-day damage item. The point here is that replacing something like a tail light is usually easier and cheaper than major structural repairs.
not precious
"That's, that isn't precious... It's not, it's not precious. It's kind of the people's champ..."
“Not precious” basically means you’re okay with the car getting some wear or minor damage. On a track day, that’s normal, so you don’t treat it like a museum piece.
“Not precious” is a mindset for track-day ownership: you accept that consumables and body damage can happen. It’s especially relevant for sub-$15k track-day cars because the goal is to drive hard without worrying about every scratch or light dent.
Honda theme
"So the other one we might also stay in the Honda theme is the"
They’re saying the next suggestion will be in the Honda direction. Honda cars are often chosen for track days because parts are usually easier to find and cheaper.
Honda is being used as the “theme” for the next car recommendation, implying the hosts expect Honda models to fit the sub-$15k track-day criteria. Honda’s reputation for parts availability and affordability often makes it a common pick for budget track cars.
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
"...ecause to me, I feel like this is like the modern Miata. And here, and here's my thing on this whole is ..."
The Miata (MX-5) is a small two-seat convertible made by Mazda. It’s designed to feel nimble and fun to drive, not to be a big, fast grand tourer. The episode brings it up as a reference point for what a “real” modern roadster should feel like.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a lightweight two-seat roadster built around simple, fun driving rather than raw power. The podcast calls it a “modern Miata,” highlighting how the Miata formula—small size, balanced feel, and driver focus—still influences what people look for today. It’s often discussed as a benchmark for affordable, engaging sports cars.
unexpected car
"And, and it became this amazing car, but part of its heroic element is because it is slightly on the unexpected car... I think the fit is like that new car that when someone looks at a fit, the average person doesn't go, wow, that could be a great race car."
An “unexpected car” is a normal-looking car that turns out to be great for track days. It usually works because it’s light and easy to drive, and people can upgrade it to handle better.
An “unexpected car” is a vehicle that doesn’t look like a traditional sports or track car, yet proves capable once enthusiasts start using it on track. This often happens when the chassis is balanced, the car is light, and there’s enough aftermarket support to improve brakes, tires, and suspension.
epitome of driving a slow car fast
"Like, like full risk. Like, like full risk. 12 times every quarter, 12 tenths, 10 quarter is the epitome of driving a slow car fast."
It means you can have a lot of fun on track even if the car isn’t very powerful. The key is learning to drive it well—brake smoothly, turn in confidently, and use the throttle correctly—so you’re going fast for what the car can do.
“Driving a slow car fast” is a track-day concept: you don’t need a supercar to have a great time. Instead, you maximize grip and technique—braking, corner entry, and throttle control—using the car’s limits rather than chasing raw horsepower. Lightweight, manageable cars like the Honda Fit make this especially approachable.
anxiety to tracking
"And, and the like, uh, you know, I, uh, I have like a bit, you know, even though I'm like into tracking, there's like a bit of, there's an anxiety to tracking, right? You know, like every time you go out there, right?"
They’re saying track days can feel stressful, especially if you’re worried about crashing or damaging your car. A cheaper, easier-to-drive car can make you feel more comfortable, so you can concentrate on getting better instead of panicking.
The hosts describe “anxiety” around track days—worry about damaging the car, making mistakes, or feeling out of place. They suggest that choosing a more forgiving, lower-cost car reduces that mental pressure, which helps drivers focus on technique. That’s a big part of why some people prefer inexpensive track cars.
refine small details
"So you can, you can refine small details. You can work on your specifics, right? And you can just like absolutely blast it."
They mean getting better by focusing on small things you do while driving. Instead of just trying to go faster with power, you improve how you brake and steer. Doing that repeatedly is how you get quicker on track.
“Refine small details” refers to improving driving technique in incremental ways—like braking consistency, line choice, and throttle application—rather than relying on a faster car. The hosts imply that a car like the Honda Fit lowers the stakes, making it easier to practice and iterate. Over multiple sessions, those small improvements add up to faster lap times.
Track day weekend logistics (car that can do multiple events)
"So like you want like one thing that like you can get to the track, you [1564.7s] can run the track all, all weekend. [1566.8s] You can get home, you know, you can run the next track day."
The hosts are emphasizing a “one car, many weekends” approach: a track-day car that’s affordable enough to keep using, and practical enough to drive to the track, run all weekend, then return home and do it again. This is about total cost of ownership and day-to-day usability, not just lap times.
First-generation vs second-generation model upgrade
"he, so he, an example of like perfect fit lifestyle, right? [1584.8s] He's got a first, first gen fit. [1586.4s] The second gen fit is just a significantly more progressed and better car"
They’re comparing two versions of the same model—an earlier generation versus a newer one. The point is that the newer generation is usually a better car overall, even if you’re still buying used.
The segment contrasts the first-gen Honda Fit with the second-gen Fit, arguing that the later generation is “significantly more progressed and better.” This kind of generational comparison matters because changes can include chassis refinement, safety updates, and overall drivability—often at similar purchase prices in the used market.
Print mags
"[1599.1s] So we got like a four year old car. [1600.6s] Do you remember when the car first came out? [1602.2s] Cause print mags were still a thing."
“Print mags” refers to traditional automotive magazines (paper publications) that used to be a major source of reviews and coverage. Mentioning them is a clue that the hosts are talking about the car’s early-era cultural impact and media attention.
cars getting too big
"like the kind of escaped the blow and then you just realized that the only problem with new cars is they just got too big. They're too big to know. All right."
They’re basically saying newer cars are getting bigger and heavier. When that happens, the car can feel less nimble and less fun to drive.
This is a common enthusiast complaint: as cars grow in size, weight, and complexity, they can lose the “light and tossable” feel that makes them fun on track and in tight driving. The host frames it as the main downside of newer cars—bigger dimensions reduce agility and connection.
350Z
"[1685.8s] 350Z. [1687.0s] We're, is that like top of your list? [1688.7s] No, this is, this is data driven, right?"
The Nissan 350Z is a rear-wheel-drive sports car that a lot of people use for track days and drifting. The reason is that it’s relatively affordable and there are lots of parts and tuning options for it.
The Nissan 350Z is a popular sub-$15k track-day and drift platform thanks to its rear-wheel-drive layout and strong aftermarket support. In this segment, the hosts discuss why it fits “track day culture” and how its engine characteristics can affect drivability.
rear wheel drive
"[1690.7s] Like, so I don't, I, uh, if I, if I look at something that like has a lot of [1695.2s] flexibility, you know, it's, it's rear wheel drive, right? [1699.0s] So cause that's a preference, right?"
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels do the work of moving the car. Many track and drift drivers like it because the car tends to feel more controllable when you’re turning hard and managing tire grip.
Rear-wheel drive (RWD) sends power to the back wheels, which typically makes it easier to rotate the car and manage traction during cornering. For track days and drifting, RWD often provides more predictable “slip angle” behavior and a larger aftermarket ecosystem for suspension and tire setups.
VQ engine
"[1706.7s] VQ engine's got a ton of support, right? [1708.7s] You know, it's got, it's got, it's got versatility, right? [1711.5s] So like you enter into, you know, track day culture and want to move into drift"
The VQ engine is Nissan’s well-known V6. People like it for track and drifting because there are lots of upgrades available and it’s a proven platform for making power and reliability.
The VQ engine refers to Nissan’s V6 family (most famously used in the 350Z/370Z). It’s widely supported by the aftermarket, which makes it attractive for track and drift builds because you can find tuning, cooling, and performance parts more easily than for many other platforms.
track day culture and drift culture
"[1711.5s] So like you enter into, you know, track day culture and want to move into drift [1715.2s] culture and want to have longevity out of this vehicle. [1718.4s] Tons and tons of flexibility, you know, um, and people know how to make them last."
“Track day culture” and “drift culture” overlap, but they prioritize different things: track days emphasize repeatable lap performance and heat management, while drifting emphasizes controlled traction breakaway and durability under sustained wheel slip. The hosts are framing the 350Z/VQ platform as a bridge between the two communities for longevity and parts availability.
three speed
"[1722.4s] Yeah. [1722.7s] It's not, it's not as like, um, you know, it's unfortunately only available as a [1726.6s] three speed, but."
A three-speed transmission has only three forward gears. That can make it harder to keep the engine in the “sweet spot” when you’re driving fast, because you have fewer gear choices.
A “three speed” transmission means the gearbox has three forward gear ratios. Gear count affects how the engine stays in its power band during acceleration and corner exits—so a limited number of gears can make the car feel less flexible on track compared with modern multi-gear setups.
long gear
"It's like, it's very long gear. It's, it's not a sports car cumbersome as a package, just like a C five or something like that, right?"
“Long gear” means the transmission is set up so the engine spins slower for a given speed. That can make the car feel calmer on the road, but on track it may require more downshifting to keep the engine in the right rev range.
A “long gear” usually means gearing that’s tuned for lower engine RPM at highway speeds. On track cars, it can also affect how quickly the engine reaches its power band and how often you need to shift.
factory LSD
"Like it's actually, I actually fit factory LSD. And depending on your factory, Brembo's."
An LSD helps the car put power down more evenly when one wheel has less grip. If it’s “factory,” it’s already set up correctly from the start, so you don’t have to add it later.
An LSD (limited-slip differential) helps both rear wheels work together when traction is uneven, reducing wheelspin exiting corners. “Factory LSD” means the car was built with it from the factory, which is typically preferable to retrofitting.
Brembo
"And depending on your factory, Brembo's. Yeah."
Brembo makes performance brakes. If your car has Brembo brakes, it usually means the braking system is stronger and can handle repeated hard stops better on a track.
Brembo is a high-performance brake manufacturer known for producing upgraded calipers and brake components. When a car has “Brembo” brakes, it often means better stopping power and more consistent fade resistance under track conditions.
cost of operation
"You can almost break them up by like cost of operation, right? And that's why club SC exists as a class because like the car is cheap. The cost of operating is cheap."
This means how much it costs to keep the car running over time. On a track day car, you usually spend more on wear items like tires and brakes, so the “cheap to run” part is a big deal.
“Cost of operation” is the ongoing expense of running a car—things like tires, brakes, fuel, insurance, and maintenance. On track-day cars, this often matters as much as purchase price because consumables get used up quickly.
chassis stiffness
"Like losing 40 horsepower on the car and it's 60% less stiff than the newer gen. You can fix some of that, but not all of it. Um, cause it's chassis, it gets more expensive to make it faster."
Chassis stiffness is how “solid” the car feels when you corner hard. If it flexes a lot, the handling can feel less precise; if it’s stiffer, it usually feels more controlled.
Chassis stiffness is how resistant the car’s body/frame is to twisting and flexing under load. More stiffness typically improves steering response and keeps suspension geometry more consistent during hard cornering, but it can be expensive to engineer and build.
track-day rules under $15k
"But like, so if you, if, and I'm just saying this, we have rules, which is under 15 grand, but if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I would get the newer one."
The hosts mention “rules” tied to a budget class (under $15k), which affects what cars are eligible for the comparison. This is important because track-day performance is often limited by what you can buy within the class, not just what’s fastest overall.
Subaru BRZ
"But if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I would get the newer one. Oh, every time, but I don't think you can get a newer gen one for under 15."
BRZ is Subaru’s small sports car. They’re comparing older versus newer versions, and saying the newer one feels more solid and better for driving hard.
BRZ is Subaru’s lightweight sports coupe, closely related to the Toyota 86. The hosts discuss “newer gen” BRZs versus “gen one,” focusing on how the newer generation is stiffer and generally feels more track-capable.
Scion Frs
"...under 15 grand, but if you're shopping a $13,000 FRS or like a later BRZ that is the newer gen, I wou..."
The Scion FR-S is a small sports coupe designed to be fun and affordable. The podcast talks about buying one for around the low $10,000s. It’s mentioned because it can give a real sports-car driving experience without costing a lot.
The Scion FR-S is a compact sports coupe known for being relatively affordable and fun to drive, especially in enthusiast circles. The podcast mentions shopping for an FR-S around the low teens and also references later BRZ models, which are closely related in concept as modern versions of the same driving idea. It’s discussed because it’s an accessible entry point to rear-wheel-drive sports-car feel.
altitude
"Now what I will say, if you live anywhere that's in any kind of altitude, like if you're living in Utah and you want to do track days..."
At higher elevations, the air is thinner. That means engines often make less power, so the car can feel weaker than it would at sea level.
Altitude affects engine performance because air is less dense at higher elevations. That can reduce power and change how the car feels on track, especially for naturally aspirated engines and cars that aren’t tuned for thinner air.
avoid the twins at all costs
"...if you're living in Utah and you want to do track days, avoid the twins at all costs, avoid it all. That's the first time I ever drove one. And I thought it was broken."
They’re saying not to pick the “twins” for their situation. The reason seems to be that where you live (like high altitude) can make those cars less ideal for track days.
“Twins” here appears to refer to a specific pair of cars on their sub-$15k track-day list, and the host is warning that they may not work well for drivers in high-altitude locations. The key takeaway is that local conditions (like altitude) can meaningfully change how a car performs and feels on track.
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