Vin Anatra tells Scotto to sell his cars, and more. VERY VEHICULAR EP008

What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Very Vehicular. I'm your host Brian Scotto. Actually, this is the last episode of Very Vehicular for Season One. What does that mean? It means the season two starts next week. To bookend this, we thought we'd bring in a repeat offender. That is right. Mr. Vin Anatra is joining the episode. Again. Why? One, I love talking to Vinnie. He's one of the few people who, uh, take me to task and, uh, put me in my place. And lastly, I wanted to get really focused, talk to Vinnie about the stuff that Vinnie's doing, his cars, his content, the things he wants to do this year. And Vinnie wanted to tell me how I should sell all my cars, which is what he normally does. We get into that conversation. We talk about collecting in general, and we talk about future plans. It's a good one. Enjoy it. And thanks again for, uh, rocking with us this season. Welcome back, Ben.

Hey.

I figured we would bookend it. I, everybody loves a good bookend, which is like, you started this season, now you're ending this season. Oh yeah. I knew what

that meant.

You know, for me, like everything has to be like seasonal uhhuh. I know. To most people it's just a show that always comes out. But this is the season, so it's the end of season one. Very vehicular.

Nice.

So I was, Ron was supposed to come, but he's not here. I was gonna

say, did we kill him?

Oh, no. No. Actually though I, when Ron said he wasn't available, at first I was like, ah, that's a real bummer. 'cause I do like the chemistry of the three of us, like ballast boys have this certain energy. But then I also realized that I think the one-on-one is like a different chemistry. That's kind of good because when it's the three of us, it's all three of us competing for the funniest line.

Big over talkers.

Big, big over talkers. Big over talkers. I see you brought your laptop with you.

Yeah.

So you wanna get, you wanna get right into that. Why is that here?

All right guys. So I'm gonna need all you guys out there to help me on this, because Brian came to me with a big plan, an exchange of services, if we will.

Mm-hmm.

And basically it's, he wants me to be on the podcast regularly, right?

Yeah. Like at least once a month.

Yeah. And I need him to help me with some YouTube stuff because as a solo YouTuber, we don't know. It actually gets kind of lonely. And not only that, but it's like you spend a lot of time thinking up ideas completely on your own, and you're just like. Are these even good? I have no like, is anyone gonna like this? I actually have no idea.

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Yeah, some and not always, but I want to have Brian on the on my YouTube channel. You know, every now and then. But then also just kinda like go back to that feeling that we had at Hoonigan where it's like we can talk about ideas and concepts and sort of how to bring them to life. And it's one of these things that no one really talks about, but I know guys like Mike Burrows and Zach and a lot of my YouTube friends kind of have that same problem where they all work by themselves and they're like, man, it'd be cool if we could, you know, talk about stuff.

Well, do you remember this idea that I pitched you shortly after everybody left Hoonigan and I was like, we need like a decentralized group, like a group of people that all worked together, kind of almost like a vine house. Yeah. But for car guys.

But there, it was missing the one thing. So we tried it once, but it was missing the one piece, which was. Everyone needs to get something from it or it doesn't work.

No.

100%. So, like for me to come here and help you, it's like, that's cool if it fits into my schedule. But the second you're like, but I'll also help you. I'm like, oh shit, it doesn't fit into my schedule, but I could kind of use the help, so now I'm gonna make it work.

What you're saying is, is you don't want to be here today, uh,

but you're

here.

No, I always wanna be here. I'm just perpetually overscheduling my stuff. Course that I forget about. Yeah. Yeah. Which you know all about. Oh, I

know all about

that. I learn from the best.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So are you gonna bring me on your YouTube channel for like the more premium stuff you do or just when you deal with shitty cars?

Uh, I think like a mix of both. Oh, okay. Cool. You know, like I want to, I think it's just gotta be like concepts that make sense to have, uh, have someone else there. Because for me. I'm a big talker and I have like a talking channel, but sometimes I'm like, holy fuck, this episode's a lot of

weird. Well I really enjoyed the episode we did together.

Yeah. And I think it breaks it up a lot too because then it's like people like seeing chemistry between people, but also like, sometimes it's a lot to hold on your shoulder. Like, you know, if you do pods all by yourself, you know, you're like, damn, it's a lot of me talking.

You know, it's interesting 'cause someone the other day was like, man, I just, I'd be fine if you just did like your own pod. And I'm like, I don't know how long I could go. Like I could, you and I, I know you don't want to, but like I could probably talk for like six hours right now. Like as long as I have some sort of eye contact on the other side. Yeah. That's going uhhuh, I'll keep going. I mean, I, shit, I've been talking to my wife for 10 years on that model, but like, I, I'll just keep going, but. I think by myself, I start to get like self-conscious of like, am I still talk? What am I even talking

about? Well, the thing, the thing about it is like sometimes it's kind of easy to be like, oh, I could just yap to camera for a couple hours. Right? Whatever. But then you do like 50 episodes and then you're like, okay, now you gotta, now it gets hard. 'cause now you're like, how many things haven't I touched upon? You don't wanna say the same shit over and over again. You know? So that's where I think it gets more difficult.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I think your first 15 episodes on your own, you could probably say whatever you got so much to talk about.

Yeah. All right, well let's get into it.

Oh,

so I actually do, I actually do have some questions for you. 'cause like, well it's one of those things like one you, you got, you and Ron came on the first pod and then obviously, you know, hurt came on. And then Zach and uh, Dan came on and like, we had like a lot of similar conversations about different pieces. But one thing that I think everybody talked about off camera, because everyone was just kind of chatting about, you know, all different things and is that you. Are sort of the unexpected hero of like the former Hoonigan group. Like no one thought you would be the one who would go off and like build this like, really rad thing. Thanks. Like, like I like, and I lemme give you flowers 'cause I know you don't like fucking compliments, so I'm gonna give 'em to you anyway. Like. You never saw yourself as a creative at Hoonigan? Like I don't think that was like how you saw yourself. No. I saw yourself as like a sales guy and like, like a stunt cock to be on camera, right? Like that was you. Right. And um, and I knew that you were involved in the creative stuff. I probably saw you more as a creative than you did because I always forced you to sit in creative meetings, even if you didn't want to be. And then you left and like, I think you made a channel that creatively. Sits apart from a lot of other stuff that's out there, like I think you stepped up like there's a premium level to what you do. All your shit has concept, which is really cool. 'cause I know that you and I both were like anti vlog in terms of like Yeah. When I say vlog, I mean the negative side of it, which is like, there's no beginning or end to this story. It's just a day in the life. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, isn't the same thing, like all your stuff has this concept to it and the concept stuff has done well for you. Um, but you were adamant in the last six months at Hoonigan that like you never, like you didn't wanna be in front of camera, that this wasn't your career. Yeah,

yeah.

This isn't what you wanted to do in life.

Like the crazy part about that. I know. And I, I wouldn't have, uh, I wouldn't have even considered it. 'cause there was this time when Jen was still CEO and I remember this so vividly when I think about my YouTube career. Uh, and basically I said to her, I, I'm at this weird crossroads because the better I get. At my job, the worst I get at being on camera because my job was like doing the partnerships and sales and you had to be so serious that when it came to being on camera, I was just like, I have to be such a mature adult all day that when I go to be on camera, I like can't reverse it. You know?

We're like, we need you to turn your shit headness to 11 right now.

And you're like, and sometimes you do it and you crash a card a lot it, but it's hard to, it's hard to do both of them. So I was like, if I had to pick, go the path of like business guy or go the path of content guy, I told her straight up I would take the business route. 'cause I don't see a path forward in the content route and. Then now I'm doing this. But I, I don't know where that mindset was. I think when I thought about like Hoonigan as a business, I was like, there'll be more fruit in like leaving the internet and doing the business side of things. And then we like usher in younger kids. But also I think that was a big part of what Hoonigan was like, Hoonigan, we could have evolved it 'cause like we could have done anything we wanted, but I also think Hoonigan was always gonna be kind of that, like, more like younger, wild, crazy. Yeah. Uh,

hot take Hoonigan didn't like die as people say. We just aged out of Hoonigan.

We aged out and we weren't allowed to like bring in the next gen, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, not, not by the audience, but I think just business structure wasn't set up to, like,

we certainly tried, but it didn't, it just didn't work

that way. Yeah. Well, on a crazy tangent from that. You see what's happening with Faye Clan?

Yeah, that

is

wild. It's,

I read about one paragraph of an article and I was like, ah, I know exactly what happened. I

don't, I don't know a ton about video games. It's like, just not my space. No, but I do know Faze Clan because we did CoLab with them Right. While we were at Hoonigan. So I know some of those guys, and here's, from what I understand, just 'cause I, I saw it like pretty much everyone, but like the main person left or something, right? Yeah. And like, they've all left and they, they kind of left in a similar way, right? Where it's like everyone, I don't really understand why it all happened, but

I think it's the same exact thing. Yeah. Um, the, the creator economy, like owned by a company is tough because they changed hands a couple times and then the new company didn't want, you know, wanted to take more money from all them. The rev share didn't work out. Probably like policies and stuff didn't align and it just didn't work.

Yeah. I, I don't think. You, I think the biggest mistake that all of us made, and I, and I don't wanna spend too much time on the business of this, 'cause I feel like we always end up getting to the business side of this on this podcast, but, um, I don't think YouTube works as a business of more than like three or four people.

No, totally. Because there's no way to pay people based on views, right? Yeah. So if you're like, oh, you make this great video that did hundreds of thousands of views, they're gonna be like, oh, well I'm building your brand. But then also you're like, that only made, you know, 2000 bucks or something. So you're like, so now what do you, you know, how do you split that? And then once the company gets big, it's like, yeah, I don't know. It's a messy situation.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I could see that on the phase clan side too, but I don't know anything about gaming or streaming or anything on that business model. It's never been anything I've been interested in. Yeah.

So anyway, moving on.

Yeah.

Yeah. You do? Anything cool lately?

No,

no,

no. I went to New York. Uh, I just got back.

Yeah,

it snowed. That was cool. Yeah. Uh, it started making us think about like car build season mm-hmm. And how special that was to have that time off of building your car and then bringing it out for an event at the beginning of the next year. Whereas like out here we just don't have anything.

So, you know, it's interesting, um, you know, JF IL from Tangent

record, not personally, but I know him on the internet,

you know, so he was heavily involved in Drive and he said something to me one day, which was like, you gotta sunset shows, like, shows have to end because people have to be excited about it coming back.

Yeah.

Right. And he was talking about, I think, daily transmission at the time. Right. Like if you just keep making it, like people just take it for granted. Yeah, totally. And they just expect it to be there. I think that's how car culture in California is. Like, there's no down series. Oh, a hundred percent agree. Yeah. There's no down series. Like you need to sunset the, like there was something great about having four months down. Where nobody was expecting you to do anything with your car and you could just take it off the road and nobody was like, oh, your car's still up on Jack stands. Like, of course it is. It's the winter.

Yeah. Yeah. Now it's like my 360 since I got it back from paint has been problem after problem. And I'm like, fuck, I'm missing out on like all my favorite time to go driving, which is the winter, right? Because the weather is good. So it's like track days, all that other stuff is when you wanna do it. I'm like, I'm missing out on the season, you know? But there is no real season

here. Yeah. Although for track days there are. Yeah. 'cause like 120 degrees in the middle of the summer at Willow. It's just not for

no horrible not doing it.

It's not good for cars, not good for you, not good for anyone.

Yeah.

Um, how is the Ferrari, bro? I, I feel like this is like such a touchy subject.

I think the Ferrari hates being blue. Uh, since I got it back from the body shop, I have driven it maybe a hundred miles. I drove it to downtown LA once, uh. Then for whatever video shoots we did, and that's it. It just doesn't work. Uh, it's just everything has been a problem with it.

Do you think it's because you took it apart and put it back together or do you think just 'cause it's broke?

No, I think, uh, I mean my, my feeling is that the car stayed well lubricated as it was being driven every day. And then when it stopped being driven every day and it was at the body shop for like six months, it just like one thing after the next. So it's like intake ASTs went, those took forever to get, and then I finally put them in and got my intake manifold painted. But the dude took three weeks to get it powder coated and that took a long time. And then I started it and then the fuel pump hat cracked and sprayed fuel all over the exhaust. And it's just been like nonsense. Wiring issues. Battery dies every day, like just garbage.

I, I hate to admit this to you 'cause you'll be like, yeah, that makes sense. But I've been trying to drive all of my cars like a lot more often lately.

Good.

And I've realized it's making me wanna own less cars,

dude. It's

because all of them have problems. Yeah. And just when you fix one, I'll move on to another car and fix something else. And then I come back and there's a new problem. Yeah. With the car I just fixed and it's like, it's so frustrating. I mean, you know, all the problems I have with the van.

Yeah.

Which was like one after another. And they're all dumb problems, but they were all very expensive to fix issues. Right. Which is really upsetting. And like the last time it broke, like Zach, I, you know, the van, the rear diff went and, um, and Zach showed up and like, I was like beside myself, I was just done. And like Zach was looking at me like, bro, like we used to break cars all the time together. Like, and you're, you fix now

I have to fix up.

And I was like, he's like, he's like, it's fine. We'll fix it. I was like, you don't understand. It's not that it broke, it's that it broke again. It's that it had broken three times in a row and this one broke my will to care.

Yeah,

a hundred percent

dude.

But when I removed myself, I love that van. Like that van is so, it's so good. Like it's one of my top five cars, but like recently it's just betrayed me.

Well, I, there's, it's such a

bummer.

Think there's, it's funny because I used to sort of like think about, or like give you shit that you would only do things for content. Mm-hmm. And I'd be like, you know, Brian, you're fucking, you'll never get something done unless it's for content. Like you always have to make it work, blah, blah, blah. And then I sort of get it now because it's one of those things where. Like, you just don't have time to do it unless you can do it for work. And I look at some of the guys like Adam and tj who really have the like car game figured it out and I'm like, that's kind of where you need to be if you want to have a bunch of cars. Uh, whether you're like, you have to be like wealthy or Yeah. Yeah. You have to have a business that you can afford to have these mechanics and people on staff. 'cause like TJ has Dylan who rips and, but Dylan's the reason why all his cars work. Yeah. You know? 'cause it's like if you're, if you have to like deal with every little piece of shit that goes wrong on the car, it's just like impossible.

Yeah. I have a really hard time like having other people work on my stuff, which like I'm trying to get over.

Yeah. Same

like I had, so, and part of it is 'cause I've had a lot of things that I've had other people do and it still breaks. Oh yeah. It's like, it's like I could have done it and have it break. Like I pay you to do it and have it not work.

Yeah. But, but here's the thing. So I just made an episode with the 360 that was like, pretty much like I built my car and I hate it. Um. But part of the thing was like, I have to fix this and I'm never gonna do it without making it like work. Yeah. You know, because it's all like little Bs. But I was like, you know what, I'll tell a story about how you try to make cars Nice. And then they suck. So I was like, but now we'll fix all these little problems.

Yeah. It, one of the things that's really interesting for me was that, um, so I would only work on my cars because of content, right? Yeah. And the reason was, was because I needed a deadline. Totally. I needed like a reason to do it. And it's also like a bit of like my, like a DHD of like. I need there to be pressure for something to happen. So it was like, oh, the pressure was that that had to go out. But at the same time, I also valued all of my builds as being rather low, low importance at Hoonigan. Right. So like I would get all these things started and then I'd be like, yeah, but how important is it that I make another episode on my Audi coop? Like, that's not like what is driving the channel. Yeah. Like it's these other things that are driving. And then I just ended up with like all these like half projects. 'cause I would get like halfway motivated to get them done and then I would make them part of my job and then I would de like, you know, I would basically remove the importance level of that job. And then never get back to it. Or never finish it. Yeah. And it, and now I have just like a, a farm full of broken dreams

and it's like, I don't know if it takes the excitement away from mods, but it all, it definitely makes 'em a little bit more stressful. Like I got cams for the VR six.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and the mark too got Cams, valve springs and new ring pinion, all the stuff. And I. What the hell am I gonna put these in? Mm. Like, I pretty much have to pay someone to do it. Otherwise it's never happened

because you wouldn't make that for content.

Uh, I thought about making an episode like, um, cheap Power adders. Mm-hmm. And then doing nitrous or something, but I'm like, do I really want nitrous on it or am I just doing that for YouTube and I'm not willing to build colors? Can I

make a recommendation? Why don't you, um. Put all that stuff on your Patreon. I know like you've abandoned your Patreon. I know you haven't really used it much recently, but what if you just made that kind of stuff for like an audience that wants that

kind of stuff? Yeah, I thought about it.

So, because I do agree, like I, I don't think that the Mark two is like gonna do views for the audience you built on YouTube, but I'm sure there's an audience that wants that.

Yeah, and I was actually, so I just brought on another media person. So jolly is a big reason why we're able to make such good stuff. But it's obviously a big roadblock that it's just two of us because our schedule is like fully packed, so we never really have time to breathe, so there's never more time to make something else. So, um, so Jolly's been, been a huge. Help on the channel, but you know, we're just kind of at our limit, so we're bringing someone else on to help kind of shoot and edit and do some social stuff. So I've been thinking about, you know, doing more content and some of it being, uh, like really doing like a swing. So like some is like super high production, like really high concepts, good episodes, and then doing some real lo-fi stuff to like mm-hmm. Do more volume. And maybe the lo-fi stuff lives on Patreon or maybe the lo-fi stuff just takes Ls on the like YouTube side of things. I don't really know yet.

Lo-fi stuff is oddly cathartic. You guys all looked at me and we're like, why does Scotto care so much about bonus channel? Remember I used to always wanna make stuff for bonus channel. And there's something about like lowering the bar and just getting it out there. Like progress over, progress, over perfection.

Well, there, there's a weird, and not to always bring this back to business stuff, but it's like, all I think about is the like. There's such a weird world out there because there are volume content creators, like mm-hmm. I mean, I look at it on Instagram all the time. If you wanna grow on Instagram or TikTok, just post a ton, figure out your thing and then just fucking beat it over the head until you're sick of it, and

then repost it post.

Just keep

going and it's successful. Re-edit it and put it back up again.

Dude, it, you could literally, which is

disgusting

to me. Yeah. You, you go do one thing, make five posts out of it, and they're just slightly different. One of 'em will hit. That's how you grow followers. Mm-hmm. But then you go to these pages that have millions of, millions and millions of, of followers, and they'll be getting 20,000 views on videos, and you're like, that's disgusting. And it's like, oversaturation. And I have this big feeling that I'm sort of sick of the internet. I hate how much content is out there that I'm like, I would rather just like put more effort into like one good post that I think is like good.

Mm-hmm.

And let that live, you know? And I, I don't know if that's, it's definitely the bad business model, but I think it's like good for the people that want less garbage.

So,

which is like us, you know, like,

so I, something I've noticed more and more from you in the past six months is like you've are moving more and more to like non-modified cars too. Like this is like, like you said, like your anti engine, your anti engine swaps, your, like just getting further and further away from that. Is that driven by the same, like, I'm just sick of the internet because of obviously you and I made an episode about how

Yeah. Yes and no because I think part of me is like, I love modified cars. I'll never drive a stock car. Like I have to screw with things. But like I said, with uh, the GTI i's like, am I gonna put nitrous on it for the internet or for me? And I don't want to build cars that are good for the internet because that's like a quick way to build crap you don't really want. Mm-hmm. And I only wanna build cars that I like, 'cause I still really. Just like love driving cars. Mm-hmm. And I love cars for what I like about them, not for what I think is a good title or thumbnail. And that's a slippery slope. Like I have no desire to have a, you know, a 17 turbo duramax or you know, whatever. Right. Like, I just don't care. I just want my little like thing that I find fun to drive. Right. So, uh, yeah, we've talked about doing the un Modding show. So the newest car that I just purchased is like super modified for what it is and I'm gonna just like put it completely back to stock in an episode.

How excited does that make you?

Uh, I'm excited 'cause I got the car for a crazy deal. Mm-hmm. And, uh, it's gonna be worth like 50% more than I paid for it with removing like $20,000 in parts, which is insane.

So you can sell those parts.

Yeah.

And then do you have to go buy a bunch of other

stock? It has everything

to return to. It

has everyth, the dude I bought it from has everything. So it's a really interesting setup, which is like, it's. It's crazy, but it's one of those things that I'm like, I'm excited to do and then I'm gonna mod it 'cause it's gonna replace a car that I'm really nervous to sell, but I'm doing it, which is a whole other topic. Can

you, can you just say what it is?

Yeah. I'm gonna sell my GT three RS. It's my absolute dream car. But somewhere along the road in the last three or four years, cool. Cars have become commodities and it's ruined cars for enthusiasts and it's ruined it for me. And I know it's ruined it for you with mm-hmm. Cars like the RWB. It's insane to me that cars have gone up so much in value and they have just gone to collectors and not enthusiasts. And not saying that enthusiasts aren't collectors, uh, or collectors aren't enthusiasts, but like. There used to be days where people bought cars 'cause they just wanted to enjoy 'em for what they were. And now people are more concerned about like the spec sheet, the history, everything. Because they want to know what it's gonna be worth in two years. And you're like, that's the wrong reason to be into it.

I don't think I ever thought about buying a car, going, this is gonna be worth something someday.

Yeah.

Right. I instead I've bought cars because I've thought to myself, I don't wanna not be able to afford this one day.

Yeah.

Like I think that's the difference. Like I've talked to people who are like, oh, you really should buy, you know, E 40 sixes right now because E 46 M threes are the next car that's gonna pop. Yeah. Or this is the next car that's gonna pop. And for me also, because I don't sell cars. I, I just don't want to not be able to buy it. Right. Yeah. So like I bought that e type that I have only because I thought I was watching prices explode and I was like, there's not that many of them left. Like, I don't know, maybe I'll never be able to buy one. Yeah. And this one's super cheap and I'm willing to put it in a shed and let it sit for 10 years because I won't pay what someone's gonna, what it's gonna command in 15 years from now.

I mean, I, I wanted a GT three or SA 9 9 7 GT three. I never even thought I'd get an Rs, but I was like, I want a 9 9 7 GT three forever. And I never bought, I never wanted one. 'cause I was like, oh, that car, dude, if I buy one in 10 years, it's gonna be worth double what I paid. Yeah. Like I never thought about, it was just like, it's a car I really want

and it's one of the greatest nine elevens ever

built. Yeah, for sure. And then I bought mine and I was like, holy shit, I can't believe I got this. And I got it for a good deal. And then I like my house and that car. The two things I bought that like were incredible timing. Like you couldn't make it up. I bought that car and literally every single. Month. I would see another one that comes up for 50 grand, more 70 grand, more a hundred grand, more two 150 grand, more $200,000 more than I paid for it. You're like, what is going on here? And it stripped away all the fun that I had. Mm-hmm. Like when I bought that car, I put thousands of miles on it. I took it to the track a bunch, and then it started getting more expensive and I started thinking about it more. And you're like, you're gonna go out and drive it. You're like, am I really gonna go park it? What's that parking situation like there? Mm-hmm. You take it to the track, you're like, oh, I can't afford to crash this thing. Like, it just removed a lot of the fun for me. And I don't know if it's 'cause I'm not rich enough to be able to be out like cruising a $300,000 car around, but like. It just feels stupid.

Yeah. No, I, valuable cars are like, so done for me. I just, I'm just over it. Like, I like shit boxes and it's not that I like shit boxes because I, because I think for a long time and, and I'm happy to have you come to this side. Like as I'm coming to the more practical car, like ownership of your side, you are coming to this side of me. 'cause I think you used to always be like, Scotto likes ship boxes. 'cause it's part of his identity and his personality. He loves being poor. Right. Because he can't, he can't forget that he came from poor roots.

Yeah. You gotta gotta walk to school. Both uphill, both ways. In the snow in Queens

and there was, there is a bit of that for me that like, it, it, it was hard. It's hard for me to realize like, I'm not still in the place I grew up in. Right. And, and like that's always like, it's the person who made me so like, it's a big part of the identity or it's the place that made me, it's a big part of my identity. But I also just worry a lot about that. Yeah. And like when I bought this nine 11, I got it super cheap. It wasn't an expensive car at all. Yeah. Tell

the people you paid 35 grand.

35 grand for it with 30,000 miles on the car. That's

an ins like

Yeah. It was incredible. It incredible. Right. Cars back then, cars were 10 x, right?

Yeah.

And. I remember after we did the RWB stuff, I was driving, uh, we were driving home in the snow and my side mirror popped out and started smashing along the side of the, the, uh, car. And I like reached out and grabbed it and just pulled it out. Right, like the actual mirror, like not the housing. Yeah, the glass fell out and like, you know, we're driving in snow, so I'm like trying, I'm like driving on like, you know, our compounds. I'm like trying not to crash the car, pull the mirror off, and then I didn't replace it for like five years. Well, I remember that because when I looked up the cost of the mirror. It was like $135. I came from Volkswagen. That's a $19 part, my friend.

Yeah.

Yeah. 19 bucks. I wasn't gonna pay that. When I finally went to go replace it, it was 5 75 for the same year. That was a hundred and whatever, 25, 5 years earlier. And that was this realization that not only was the car so expensive that if I totally wrote it off, I would, I would, you know, I wouldn't be able to replace it. But it's actually gotten to the point that even if I break little things, it's like way too expensive to drive. Yeah. It's

crazy.

And like, it just wasn't fun.

Yeah. I don't know. I, I still, I like, I don't wanna say I like expensive cars, but it's like, I still like cars. No, you gotta rush. It's okay. Higher. Yeah, it's fine. I, I mean, look, I'm a dude who never thought I'd be able to own some of the shit I have, so I'm, yeah, I get it. I'm fully enjoying it. But, um, but there's just something about like precious cars and things that feel like Right. You know, like the 360 is probably worth a hundred grand, but I'm like, I don't give a fuck about it. 'cause it's like. It's super easily replaceable, right? It's already, it's been repainted a bunch. It's kind of went through all of its crap, so I don't really care. Whereas like the three Rs feels like people are treating these things like they're bars of gold and I'm like, I should probably just get rid of this. 'cause like I use it like a car

every time I get out and I drive the nine 11, I'm always like, why? And then you know this 'cause you're in the group chat. I'm always like, why don't I drive this more? Like, this thing is so good.

Yeah.

But I definitely think about it. Like I'll just be sitting in an intersection. I'll be like, if someone just came through this intersection right now and plowed into this car, like this would just suck.

Yeah, dude.

Well for two reasons. One, even if the insurance company gave me the money, I don't think I would buy another one. No. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I could hand someone a check for what this car is worth. Right. And be like, I want you to trade this money for that, for that car.

Yeah. So once, once it's over, it's over.

I just couldn't do it. And, and also it's like if I'm driving this thing and, and there's a slight noise. I'm thinking about it.

Yeah.

The transmission could fall out of the rabbit. I would pull off the side of the road, call someone to bring the tools and fix it. And drive it home. Yeah. Yeah. Like no noise in my shitty cars bothers me. Any noise in my new cars is like full on anxiety.

Yeah. It's, it's

Or that new expensive cars?

No, it's rough. I don't know. It's sort of changed for me. I'm kind of bummed about it 'cause I'm like, I'm getting an astronomical amount of money for it and I'm still sad. And I'm like, you know me. I'm like, I would sell my soul.

Well, you used to, you used to trip that I didn't sell the R wb. 'cause when it started to go up and you're like, like, I don't know how you could, like, that's the flip of the century.

Yeah. Like if I paid Flip of

the

Century, if I paid 35 grand for a car that was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars now I, I was always like, I would have a raging hard on to sell it. And now I'm in the same position and I'm like, ah, I don't know.

It's 'cause you won't replace it.

I won't. Well, I will with a lesser version of it. Yeah. But, which I'm like, probably fine with, but

maybe not.

Yeah.

Yeah. Who

knows? We'll see how that works out. The vein inside of me is like, the vanity inside me is like, Hmm. Well, I care that it doesn't have like an RS badge, but, so let,

let me ask a question. H how much of that car to you is about owning the car versus like a goal attachment? Like, like, like buying that car? Is that, is it just like, oh, I always wanted A-G-T-T-R Rs and then I got one that's really cool? Or is there an element of. This car is associated with something like I worked really hard for and like I was able to achieve.

Yeah, I think both. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I never even thought I would own one. So it was like I never grew up with like posters of cars I wanted on my wall. I had like an IROC Z and like a fucking Beretta GTZ course. Sure. You're Italian. Just like garbage. Like I grew up, I grew up liking garbage. So the fact that I got something that incredible was like mind blowing. So it's like one of those things where, yeah, it's really hard for me to emotionally detach from it. But at the same time I'm like, if I don't fucking enjoy it, then what am I doing?

Yeah.

You know, because Amy would always tell me, she's like, well, don't sell it if you don't need the money or you don't have a good use for the money. Yeah. But then one day she was also like, I don't know, do you really like enjoy this? She's like, it seems like it just stresses you out more than you really love it. And I'm like, kind. 'cause like we'll go out, right? Go to the mountains, go to Angel's, crest, whatever. You go for a drive and then it's like, oh, you wanna grab food? I'm like, yeah, sure. And then we pull up and I'm like, fuck. Parking lot sucks. Like, I don't wanna park this in there. You know, like, and you're like tripping to valley. It's so late. I kind of hate that. Like I hate things you have to worry about.

It's funny 'cause I know there's definitely people who are listening right now who are like, if I fucking own that, I would just drive the shit out of it and I do and I wouldn't care. And you do for a little bit, but then you do care. You

do. You have to care.

Yeah.

Like you can't, that's what I mean, like the dude I'm selling it to is like. Wealthy.

Yeah.

Like

he, he, he could do whatever

wants. I'm sure it'll end up street parked in fucking Century City and like no one cares about it, but like, you know, there's levels to the shit and he has a

mechanic that

fixes it on. Yeah. There's levels to it. I'm not on that level, so, yeah. And I don't want to be, and I don't think I would ever be, 'cause I'm kind of like, I treat things really precious, you know, like I take care of stuff too much.

Yeah. For me, the nine, my nine 11 is like a forever car. I don't ever see selling it. I always tell people if I'm selling it, check on me 'cause there's something bad. Um. And it's not even that because I drive it all the time. It's just like, it's something I always wanted and I would never replace it.

Yeah.

Like I just couldn't trade money for what it's worth today. Yeah. Like it just, it's just not it. Um, but like the Ferrari, 'cause like Ashley was like on me a while back to sell the Ferrari. She's like, just sell it. Like you don't drive it. We could use the money. And I explained to her, I was like, you gotta understand, like I sold my company and got kind of fucked in the way that rolled out. And like, the one nice thing I bought for myself was the Ferrari. So like, it's this weird, like, so I have like a different relationship with the Ferrari. Like it's not just the car. Like I enjoy driving it now it's got air conditioning, which is sick, although it's winter, it doesn't really matter anymore. But hey, it's there. Um, door handle works again, you know, serviced all those things. Like, it sounds fantastic.

Yeah. It's a greatest

call for those things. Sounds, sounds fantastic. Yeah. Um, I will admit, I, I, when I'm driving around in it. I feel like I'm wearing like something too trendy. Like I feel like I'm wearing like, like I feel like I'm a 46-year-old man wear like trying, like wearing JCOs again because they're back in style. Yeah. It's like, like it, it feels not me, but at the same time the car means something to me for like a sentimental value.

Ah.

Which is weird 'cause sentimental, it's like, it's this weird, like I sold my company and I traded it for like a subpar Ferrari

360 are gonna come up hard. But um,

I keep believing you on that.

I don't think prices, I just mean in like sentiment. And

I agree. I think that's true.

What am I looking for? Like the presence in the scene will come up.

I actually think as more people do cool things with them and model and paint them blue, I think actually the more they're catching attention. Which is the same thing that happened at nine 11.

Yeah. I think like, I don't know if they're gonna become super expensive 'cause they made like 15,000 360. Mm-hmm. So there's a lot of 'em out there. But I do think people will start being like, well, I'm kind of priced out of a nine 11, so maybe by this. Stupid Italian car.

Yeah.

Yeah. And

it's the same thing for, for, for the same price as like a mark four super.

Yeah. If you are into cars and you can't work on them, they're gonna be expensive. So I think the Ferrari will be slightly more expensive until there's like in indie shops that work on 'em for sorta of cheap. But you know, like I, I mean we all learned how to work on cars 'cause we don't wanna pay people to work on 'em.

Yeah.

You know, so like

I will say though, I'm still impressed to watch you work on your Ferrari. 'cause like I still get like odd working on that thing. I'm like, I don't really want to fuck with that.

I mean, I don't wanna fuck with it anymore. It was fun at first, you know, it was, it was interesting 'cause I was like, ah man, am I in this weird lane where now I am the cheap supercar guy that like treats them like normal cars. So for a while I was like, my next project in 2026 is gonna be at Guillardo. I'm buy Gerardo a manual, swap it twin, turbo it, drive it every day, do the whole thing. And then I'm like, I was just looking at a Gerardo last night. I was like, I think it's fucking ugly. I was like, I'm like, am I gonna like, do I really want that? Like, I don't even know.

Do you think they're ugly?

I think they're kind of ugly. I like the super Lara.

Yeah.

And I think they could look cool, obviously, but I'm like, I was like, I don't know. It's kind of ugly. I don't know if I like V tens that much. I feel like I want a V eight or a V 12.

Mm. But

such

a Ferrari guy thing to say,

I don't know, V tens don't sound that cool to me. Like R eights and shit. I don't know. Hard times.

They can sound cool.

They can, yeah.

I don't know. It depends on what I mean you say that, but like one of the best sounding cars is the V 10 and M five. Shitty car, but like that is a fantastic sounding car.

Yeah, maybe

it can sound like an F1 car with the right exhaust.

But yeah, so I was, that was my dilemma. I was like, am I gonna try to be this supercar cheap supercar guy? I'm like, I'm not sure if that's the route I want to go.

I, um, I like the Gara, but mostly because that was the Lamborghini of choice when I was a journalist. Yeah. So it's like one of the first super cool cars I got to drive. I mean, I had Tony Harmer and I drove a convertible one around Queens for like an entire night. Mostly because the convertible top broke.

Was it orange?

No, it was, I dr. I had an orange one too. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember a picture of an orange one in front of a brick, really crappy looking

house. I think that's actually the white one that we had. But it had, there, we had an orange one as well, but the white one, the convertible top broke and we left it street park with the top down because we were like, ah, I don't know, maybe no one will take it, but like eventually got to the point it. Five 30 in the morning and I was exhausted. I was like, I gotta go to bed. But like, we just drove around. We, I think we went through like five tanks of gas that incredible, like cruising queens,

which

in a lamb as a

kid. Yeah. That's the coolest thing you could ever

do. I went to Rosa's Pizza. These guys who'd been working at this pizzeria since I was, I like five, never pay any attention to me, ever. I pulled the, I pulled the Lambo outside. These guys were like, yay, you, you come back to the neighborhood. We love you. Oh, how's your mother been? I'm like, well, for the fuck my, like, I've come in here for 25 years, I don't even get a nod. And now I show in the Lamborghini.

Yeah, they think you're gonna give 'em a tip for the calzone

now. Yeah. No, I don't even get that. It's just that like, that, like, it's that Italian love. Like, you, you like, you speak our language now, you know? I'm like, all right, whatever. I was just tan enough to fit in. Uh, so what's. Uh, so what, so the Guido's in, or the Guido's out?

I don't know. I haven't decided yet. I think I'm gonna do the series that we talked about it. I just have to like commit to doing it where I do like 50% off your Dream car and do civic to Lamborghini. Yeah, in a year. Like within a year. Because the paper

clip idea.

See? Yeah, I see a lot of these like YouTubers trying to do this, but it's all bullshit. 'cause they'll be like, oh, we're gonna do like, you know, paperclip to supercar in seven days. And I'm like, no, you're not. Like, it's just not possible. Mm-hmm. Maybe you do it in seven videos that you shoot over the course of a year, but you're not doing it in seven days. And I think the way I would do it is like, start with a civic and then. Some episodes I'll go through like two or three cars. Some episodes I'll go through one car, but I'll kind of like teach a lesson for each episode and be like, this episode, you know, the lesson is like always buy top spec cars. Like mm-hmm. Don't buy a civic, buy a civic si don't buy a WRX, buy an STI don't buy a fucking whatever. Right. Because that like, there's always demand for the top level car. And then the next one would be like, don't buy cars with X. Or like, you know, here's ways that you can, like UNM mod cars to make money or whatever. Whatever, whatever. Right, right. And 'cause like I think a lot of people don't get it. 'cause once you get to a certain threshold, like let's say like 70 grand now, it's like people do like paint meter readings and they do PPIs and they do all this stuff. So you have to be way more aware of like what you're buying and things like that. So I think I could try to handle it like that, but I would essentially want to like do this whole path to get a Lamborghini of any kind. And then. I dunno. Maybe like sell it or give it away or something.

Like just to get it just so you could do it.

Yeah, just to do it. 'cause I don't, like, I look at a Giardo as a car that's like cool. And I would love to drive one for like a couple months, but I don't see it being a long-term ownership, like keeping it in the fleet type of thing. Um, like how I feel about the 360. But it'd be cool to do and a lot of like what I want, like I got, I just got my dealer plates today, but a lot of what I want to do is like, dude, I just want to experience cars. Yeah, yeah. Even some that I don't care to keep forever. Like I still like, I wanna own a fucking Guido for two months, you know? But I don't know if I really want to keep one forever, you know?

See that's the difference between you and I. 'cause I couldn't do that. Like, once it's in my possession, I like have such a hard time letting go of it. I fall in love with the

of

things.

See, but I think the reason why I was like that, I think it goes way back. But my dad always had. Uh, he worked at a car dealership and he always had demo cars, so he would have a new car for like a couple weeks at a time. And that was cool as a kid, uh, even though it was always just like Berettas and Luminas and whatever, Cavaliers and stuff. Um, but then for me growing up, I never had money. So I was always like, how do I get from one car to another? And it was always like, buy this, like drive it for a bit. Sell it, move on. Yeah. So I've just like gotten really accustomed to not caring.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, like, or not, not caring, but just being like, Hey, this is just part of the process. And I think that's why the RS sale is weird for me 'cause I'm like, I'm kind of at the top for me. Do

you have any regrets of cars you've sold and not because you could have held onto them for longer and made more money? 'cause that's like not a good thing. No. Like, do you have any cars? You're like, oh, I wish I never sold that. Yeah, I wish I kept that.

FDR seven, the yellow one I had was perfect.

Oh yeah. I forgot you

had that. Yeah, that car was incredible. It was like the most Why did you sell it? Because I started the channel and I had all these finished cars and projects. And I was like, well, I kind of need something like new to do. So I was like, what can I sell? Realistically, the smart thing to do would've been to ditch that stupid E 36 race car I had.

Mm-hmm.

And the drift car. But at the time I was like, I need these. So I kept 'em and I sold the FD and uh, I regret that.

Yeah, that was a good one.

That was a good car. It was set up really well. It was like the perfect color. Uh, they only made 350 of those. So like super rare, no sunroof. Uh, I never really bought mod cars before and I bought that one fully modified and it was perfect.

Just done right?

Oh, it was like done. Actually, I think it was done better than I would've done it because it was done with, um, like an older guy build it and he was very, uh, he had like, he was reserved.

Mm.

You know, like for me, I always go overboard because I'm dumb and I'm like, I would've been like, I need a Bridgeport and a bigger turbo and nonsense. And he did like a moderate sized turbo and a stock engine and like it was. Dude, it was perfect.

I don't even know how to spell restraint.

Yeah. Like I'm just dumb. I'm just like, I always am like, oh, you gotta do the crazier one. Even though you regret it in the end, you know, you do it, then you're like, why'd I put the, this turbo on it? It's like, this is laggy and stupid.

I, I have like a hard time keeping up with your cars. 'cause they move in and out so much. Like the other day we caught coffee and like the whole time I was looking out the window, I'm like, oh, I wonder who Sylvia that is completely didn't realize it was yours until you left and got in it. I was like, oh, right. I just had figured you'd sold that.

No.

Yeah. 'cause it had been long enough, like you'd owned it for like six or seven months, right?

Almost a year. No. Yeah. Like, I guess like eight months.

Yeah.

But yeah, I bought it as a drift car. I like, I want to have a drift car. And it's fun. It's like you sold

Evo, right?

Yeah, I sold Evo.

Yeah.

That car ruled, but I made a mistake when I bought it. So that car, uh. Andrea sold it to Adam lz. I was gonna buy it from Andrea, but I slept on it. Mm-hmm. And Adam bought it and I thought, I a, I asked Adam, I thought I asked Andrea if it had air conditioning. He said yes, but he, I never asked him. And the car was left hand drive converted and it had a big turbo kit on it where it like went, you'd have to change everything to put AC back in this car. So I was like, fuck. So I sold it to a guy on the East coast who didn't care.

Mm.

Yeah. Nothing was cool though.

Would you get another one of those?

I would, I really like Evos. Yeah. Evos are amazing. So I would get another Evo and like build it properly down the line. Yeah, for sure.

Hmm.

Those two cars definitely miss a lot, but it's what it's

anything else?

I really want another Mark. Four Super. I bought a Mod Mark four Super and a, see I

didn't think you liked the sra.

Uh, mine was terrible. So I bought a car, um, not terrible, but uh, I bought a car. It was fully modified so it was a NA five speed converted to turbo. Six B. Mm-hmm. Had a T 56 conversion. It had a four to eight, eight rear. It had a huge single turbo. Um, big cams, like, it was just kind of like lazy and like built in a way where I didn't really like it and I was like, what am I gonna do? I'm like, unbuild this thing and then start over again. It's like so stupid. So Jamo bought it.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

And Jamo unbuilt it, and then now it makes 1500 horsepower. Of

course it does.

Yeah.

Have you spoken to Jamo much lately?

Dude, he's moving out here.

Oh really?

Yeah. Oh, nice. I was with Soupy the other day and uh, just so random, but, uh, so yeah, soupy said Jamo is moving out here. They had a shop out here.

Well, Ja Soupy was at my birthday party.

Yeah.

I was like, I was like, I was like, look, we're looking at a list of people. I'm like, who should I invite out? I'm like, I haven't seen Soupy in a while. Showed up at the whole family.

I love soupy

love. Yeah. Great to see him. Yeah.

Yeah.

Soupy is so awesome in a non-work environment.

Yeah. As, yeah. As long as he doesn't hate you, he's great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Soupy iss great. So,

um, yeah, so I guess my thing with the whole car sale thing is I was just like, when do you think cars became more of a commodity than they did the experience?

COVID?

Was it COVID?

I I think,

was it booked? 'cause it wasn't before COVID. It wasn't really like that. Right?

I think the Bring a trailer started it. I think it brought like this easy button to people who were on the outside who could go and just really like have that be like their only window into the community and read the comments and read the posts and,

and

I guess

it is entertaining to

see like

what things

sell for. And it's fun. Like it's fun to like bid on stuff and do all that and you can get caught up in the bidding. And then I think. Things got really outta control during COVID. 'cause people were sitting home, I don't know how people had disposable income during COVID, but apparently they did. Everyone talks about stimulus checks. It's like there was like a total of 3000 bucks. I didn't, can you buy a, that ain't making you overspend on A GTR. Like that's on some other level.

I was like, is it just business owners that got the PPP loans and then we're just like dumping 'em maybe. Oh yeah. Good point. You know, because I'm like, who the hell had all this money? I didn't get it. Good

point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We used the PPE loan to actually pay you guys.

Yeah, I know.

I didn't go buy cars. I

was like stoked I had a job. I was,

yeah, no, but I, I think that that was like just things peaked, man. It was crazy.

Yeah.

I mean just like stuff was nuts. Like I remember I sold my Cayenne GTS Oh yeah. I bought that car for $21,000 and I sold it for $36,000, which

is crazy.

It's like eight months later

in COVID. Same story. I bought my E 92 M three, 24,000 bucks.

Yeah.

Uh, slick top carbon roof, single hump, six speed, whatever, like 40,000 miles paid. 24. Drove her for like a year and a half, two years. Mm-hmm. And in COVID, I sold her for 42 stock.

All right. Here's a question for you. What's worse for car community right now? Collectors or takeovers?

Takeovers. Ah. But you know what's funny is at least takeovers you could get into cheap. Like you could get into a takeover for nothing. You just have to steal a hellcat, which costs like, pretty much like

nothing. Yeah.

You just have to buy that dongle thing off Amazon, steal a Hellcat, buy some nitrous that you huff and like go blast it and hope you don't get arrested. Whereas like car collectors are just like, now you can't, oh, you've been working hard your whole life. Oh, you've really been working towards this goal. Well, good luck. Now go buy an old,

oh,

you

had a poster your whole life on Porsches. You wrote your, your eighth grade essay on how you wanted to own a LI nine 11.

Nope. No.

Nope. 'cause I belonged to a private equity company, crushed a bunch of people's lives and now I'm going to use that money to buy myself five nine elevens.

Like you're talking about a car that was worth 10 grand and then like magically grew a zero. And you're like, it's not any cooler. It's just like, it's insane.

Well, what was the whole R 30 was a R 33 or an R 34 that like was a bring a trailer car that went for like, I don't know.

Oh, the ones where the two drunk guys bid on

like raise the market. Yeah. It was basically just two money guys who were just like fighting with each other.

Yeah. It was a R 33 GTR.

Yeah. And like ran the market up on all the cars and everybody was then speculating off of the sale of that car and it's like, no, it was just two rich guys having a fucking dick measuring

company. Well, I think car dealers are doing this now. Is there, there's like, you know. There's a handful of dealerships that all sell the same type of cars. Mm-hmm. So they have a vested interest in raising the market on these cars. And they could do it because you could even buy and sell a car through a public auction. Like bring a trailer. Right. And pay they cap fees at like 7,500 bucks.

Oh yeah.

So if you're willing to take a $7,500 loss a couple times to raise a market of cars that you can control by hundreds of thousands of dollars, like that's just cost of doing business. I mean, and I see it happen. I mean, the cost of Ferrari special Ferrari Scuds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Strada, uh, Les, they went up over a hundred percent in the last months. Like a car, a scud was 200 grand, 250 grand in January of this year. Now the shittiest one is $500,000. You're like, that's that. How many percent? That's like. 250% more insane. It's, it is crazy. Like, and it's, it all happened so quick.

It happened when the word speck entered the automotive lexicon. Yeah. Fuck spec. Yeah.

Fuck spec.

Like, come talk to me about, oh, it's a perfect speck. It's a perfect speck. Like, no, I like, you could change the spec if you want. Like, oh, you wanted like purple interior? You could do that too if you wanted to. Yeah. But like, no, no, no. But it came that way. It was perfect spec.

Well, that's the,

and that's just the reason for like a bunch of Porsche guys to sit around and be like, well, mine's one of nine. It's one of nine. It's one of nine. That's brown. With, with with, with this weird shifter in it. And, uh,

the,

it doesn't have this feature. Like, because

I, I watched the market on,

granted my car was a cool spec. It did come with red interior.

Yeah, white on red. It's a great spec. Yeah. So I watched the market on these nine, nine sevens. 'cause you know, I'm curious. And recently one sold for. $420,000 because it had a certain package that the stickers that are normally red, you know, all the red crap all over the car.

Okay.

Yeah. The mirrors, the winglets, the stickers, the front. Oh

yeah, yeah,

yeah. That was black. I currently have a car with black stickers on it. I bought those stickers for $200,

but they're not original,

but spec, but, but it's not

on, it's not on the window sticker.

Yeah. If you decode my car, it's originally a gray black with red, so it's not worth as much

like

that's a crazy move.

But like this to me is something that I do not understand as like a. Car guy. Yeah. Like this is like outside of my care for cars. Like there's certain things I understand. For example, this car was owned by this race car driver and raced at Lamont's. That car is more special because it has a history. Right, right. Of doing something really rad. Yeah. Right. Like that is the definition of Providence, right? Yeah. Like that is it right. But your car left the factory with a slightly different option and like suddenly that's worth a hundred thousand dollars more. That's insane. Like I don't understand that on the same level. Like I get certain colors are more valuable. Yeah. Like I really like B seven RS fours. The yellow ones are 20 grand more, yeah. Than the black ones. I get it. 'cause it's just more desirable. But some of this other stuff is like, it's just a weird, it's not even an attractive spec.

No, no, no. It's,

it's like green interior on an orange car. But like people are like, oh, there was only 1 0 1. Like there's a reason it's fucking gross.

There's the one thing I could appreciate about it is that it's almost as lame as forum days because you're literally trying to impress the like 14 people who get it. You know, like the guy who spent 400 grand on the car with black stickers like me, pat, and like 17 other guys know that. No one else would know. Everyone else would just be like, oh yeah, don't they usually have red? Yeah. Or like, what is Oh, oh cool. Nice wine, cool.

Made black stickers for your

car. Nice car. Like, they're not even gonna know the difference, you know? So I think it is funny in some ways to like, you're really doing it 'cause like you care that much about that

little world. World. The difference between that and Volkswagen guys and shaved markers and Audi door handles is that they put the work in to make it cool.

Yeah.

So it's like an artistic nuance where you just paid more money for something that you thought was

Yeah, and I, I mean, I don't get it 'cause like my dad's car, right? I just built a Chevelle and like when you're under it, the whole under body's red. So I was like, dad, was this car red or is it original green? He is like, no, it's original green. I'm like, are you sure? He is like, mm, I think so. But it's like, I don't think it matters. You know? You're like a car just did

Yeah,

but

that's like the matching numbers thing. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's a matching numbers car. Like I, that to me is a different. Um, is a different enthusiast than I am. Right, right. Like for me it's like, I think modifying cars are cool. I think driving cars are cool. I I like collecting cars for the future intent of modifying or driving.

Right. Yeah.

I don't like collecting cars for the future intent of selling them. Right.

Right. Yeah.

Same like, like if everything goes well in my life, Hudson will sell my nine 11 for me because I'll be dead.

Right.

Right. Like I don't want to have to sell it. Like I don't want to be in a position to have to sell it.

Right.

Right. 'cause so to me it's still worth 35 grand.

Right. Or it's not worth anything 'cause you're not gonna sell it ' cause

I'm not gonna sell it.

Yeah,

right. But like buying something to just worry about what it's, what it's worth to go sell.

Right. Yeah. That's a weird one.

Yeah.

Yeah. 'cause selling cars is like a part of what I do to get into the cars. I want to drive, but I can't say I always enjoy like getting rid of stuff, you know? Yeah.

But you would, you do enjoy a good come up.

Oh yeah, of course. Something about it's great.

What's better for you, the actual experience of owning a car or the, or really good come up.

Depends on the car. So I just, I bought that E 30 M three. Mm-hmm. And, uh, it was a car I always wanted and always kind of idolized and I bought it and I drove it and I was like, oof.

Do you mind me asking what you sold it for?

Uh, I don't know if I should say it for him, but I sold, I, I sold it for 75 grand.

Okay.

Yeah. 75 grand is a lot of money for

30. I passed, I passed that one for $5,000.

Yeah. These cars were, these cars were dirty so

crazy what they

looked, so that car I bought it, I was like, oh my god. So cool looking car ever. Like we bought it the same night. Uh, I looked at a GTR for a friend mm-hmm. And she bought that car. So like, we picked him up and like, you know, a bunch of us went out to dinner and we're like, damn, R 32 GTRE 30 M three, like, this is incredible. Look at it in my garage. Amazing. Drive it. I'm like, this car kind of is really boring. So I immediately go home and I'm like, hmm.

What are we gonna do? Whatcha gonna do?

And I'm like, S 54 swap. You know, run a six speed. Do this, do that. And I'm starting to like build this car in my head and I'm like, I kind of hate the seats. I'm gonna put like a bucket seat in it and retrim it. And then, oh yeah, the steering wheel sucks. Put a smaller steering wheel in it and. You're like, wow, this is not a project that I really signed up for, like impulsively buying this car.

Here it is. Another story time interruption brought to you by my good friends at FCP Euro, but I must say today's a bit more of a confession, as some of you know. I have a lot of cars, 26 and um, I can't really buy anymore. But that doesn't stop me from wanting, I don't know how to stop the wanting. But what I've done is I've figured out this thing. It's like paper building. I, I, it's like, think of what like fantasy football is for like guys who can't run anymore. I'm not really sure. I not into stick and ball sports, but this is fantasy project car, right? Fantasy project car builds. I go onto fcp euro.com, you know, after I spend a good two to three hours on marketplace finding what car maybe I might buy, it could be something like, kind of like rare, like, like an old Volvo or something, you know, standard for me, like an old Audi. Or it could be something kind of taboo that I don't tell my friends about, like an old BMW. And then I head on over FCP euro.com and I just drop down that menu and I just look through all of the things. Cooling system. Yep. Breaks. Yep. I just fill the whole thing up until there's really nothing left in the cart that I don't need. And from there I start to actually think, you know what? Maybe this isn't a fantasy anymore. Maybe I really do need this car. 'cause you know prices are pretty damn good at FCP Euro. I could buy this car, buy all these parts and honestly it's a better deal than if I bought a already running car. That's right. FCP Euro will make your crazy project car ideas a possible reality. And that's one reason to head on over fcp euro.com to get all those parts for your Euro car and hopefully get it back on the road one day. I'm still hoping anyway, I'm gonna go buy that car

you signed up for it like impulsively buying this car. So I was like, and then I made a video about it and people were like, don't swap it, don't swap it. Don't S 54, swap it, keep it pure, this and that. And I was like, well I don't really like it with the S 14. And I was like, you know what? Selling this car will be. Uh, will be good. Like, I don't need a project right now and someone else will love this thing for exactly what it is. And that come up made me like super stoked. 'cause I was like, I made money. Mm-hmm. Getting to own a car that I always loved and someone else gets something that they're gonna keep and enjoy and whatever. So like that come up made me more stoked than the car. But usually it's the car.

So I'm about to embark on cutting down my collection. Ooh. So I'm at 20, uh,

insane,

four, insane to 26 cars. Doesn't matter.

It's insane.

Yeah. I'm not really sure. It's some insane number. Um, I probably have more cars running now and like actually like on the street and operational that I've ever had in my life.

Yeah.

And I'm starting to realize like, there's just not enough days in the week to my

car. Can I, can I build your car collection for the people? And they could agree. Okay. Here's Brian's,

I mean no

car collection and doesn't need anything else. You get a daily and Ashley gets a daily, I don't care what those are.

Okay.

Make 'em whatever you want. Okay. Rwb.

Okay,

Nova. Running. Okay, rabbit.

Okay. Got two left.

Uh, the van. 'cause you, you gotta have a van.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And that's really it.

R two.

Oh, fuck the RSS two. Put van in the daily category and move the RS two in. Yeah. So RWB, Nova Rabbit, RS two. That, that's a, that's, that's it.

That's all you would keep.

I would sell the 360. I know you got a story about it, so whatever that it's, but I don't think you care about it that much. Um. That I think is like four really sick cars that all provide really different experiences.

That's probably pretty good. That's a pretty good collection.

And then you get your, you know, your daily that you get to like, be like, oh, I got 600 horse pound

van to sell the coop Quatro sell the coop project.

Forgot about that. But yeah, or just, you know, it's a display.

Just leave it.

Yeah.

Um, okay. Um, yeah, I don't think any of my other cars excite you. So like that's an easy one for you. No, like Mark three synchro. You don't care about my other rabbits distraction, my other rabbits you don't care about.

They're all redundant.

My, my quantum You don't care

about. No, because here's the thing, you have

rail car you definitely don't care

about. The RS two is the same as the VR synchro, except it's better. All

right. That's

true. That's true. You know, it just looks different.

Yeah, true.

The rabbit is the same as the other seven rabbits, you know?

True, true,

true. The RWB is your hero car. Mm-hmm. And the Nova is like something that has a lot of sentimental value that you built, and it's really cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And if I think if you spent any energy on that car, you could make it a really good car that you can like drive everywhere.

It was already getting pretty good.

Yeah.

So,

but it's like the, you have 20 other cars and you just don't even think about the Nova. I didn't even, we didn't even see it last time we were at the shop where at your, it's

down in the lower sheds now.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like, you're like, oh, it's been demoted because

it was, it's been demoted

garage. Yeah.

So that would be my thing, I think, and I'd be curious to see what the audience thinks, but. I think you've whittle it down to a couple like really special cars and then maybe you'll finish the coup quattro one day. 'cause you'll have time when all the other stuff just like works.

Okay. So here's what I'm gonna do. 'cause like four is just, I mean it's making me feel uncomfortable right now. Like,

well, four plus two daily, so it's six.

Yeah.

And then, and then long term project car. So it's this tro so it's seven, that's seven vehicles.

I'm thinking 10 is like an approachable bummer for me. Are we're talking

stage one reduction?

Stage one. Stage one. This is like stage one. Like you can't, it's like,

well the good thing is like you,

it's like an alcoholic, like stops drinking alcohol right away and then they get sick. Right.

Well I was gonna say like, like when you're obese you could lose a lot of weight fast. So you trim off 15 cars right off

the Yeah. Boom. Right at the first and then start narrowing it down. But, but I think there's like a process to get through it. So I'm gonna walk you through it 'cause like you are the most opposite for me. Right. Like, like you have a very different way of looking at cars. Like we, although we own very similar cars.

Yeah.

Like you have a nine 11, I have a nine 11. You have a Ferrari 360. I have a Ferra 360. You have a Volkswagen. GTII have similar rabbit.

Yeah.

Wagons. Like we, we wagons. You have wagons. I have wagons. Yeah. Right. Like we have very similar taste, but at the same time would never own each other's cars, which is so weird. Yeah,

yeah,

yeah. But, um, here's how I see the breakdown or how I'm gonna do this one. It has to be for content because I'm not motivated to do it otherwise, because I'll get into like a, like, um. Like a manic mode where I'm like, yeah, I wanna sell all my stuff, but then like I don't see through it. Mm-hmm. Because like I get to then all of a sudden like two weeks later, like, everything's fine again and I don't feel like I need to sell my stuff anymore. Right. So I think one, I think like, sort of making that commitment, because I do, I have realized, and I'll back this up a little bit, I have realized that like I have anxiety around having so many cars.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know where like sometimes I'm like, oh shit. Like yo, that F 600 I own like it's been in storage at, um, what's his face at Max's southbound South County. And like he charges me every month for it's all, oh God, there for free. Like I've spent thousands of dollars on that car just sitting there. I could move it to my farm. I have room at my farm. It's just a lot of work, but it's just a lot of work. So I haven't done it and every month passes and I'm like, oh, that's another couple hundred bucks gone. Same. Yeah. So like, it's things like that, but. Here's what I wanna do. I want to take my 25 cars, and I'm gonna basically break it into like three buckets and each car goes into one of those buckets. Mm-hmm. Right? So the first bucket is, this is a keeper. Right. And if it's a keeper, I need to treat it like it's a keeper. So like, for example, RWB is a keeper. The RWB needs a headliner.

Yeah.

Like, I should finish that. Yeah. Like that's something that's not done. There's like a few other like little things. RWB needs red wheels again, like RWB needs a couple things. I should go get those things sorted. Right. And then that like stays in the keeper category. Then there's other cars that are, um, like they're not keepers, but I haven't experienced them yet.

Right.

Like, I bought them because I had this massive project in mind and I want to experience them, but like, I haven't gotten to experience them in the way that I wanted. What's one card

in that category?

Probably my S eight. Like, I don't know if my, like, I think if I, if you were to make me. Play the game of like this versus that in cars and you're like, okay, RS two or eight. It's the RS two.

Yeah,

right. Like hands down. Yeah. RS two. So I had to make that choice. The eight has to go, but I really wanna do the manual swap in it. Like I really want to go experience that as a manual. I

think you should because And

then go sell it.

I think you should because I think the second you drive a manual swapped S eight, you're gonna be like, uh, okay.

It's funny 'cause I

was talking like I can't imagine that car being that exciting.

I was talking to Whipple last night and he's like, everyone I know who has. Six feet swapped. A D two S eight has sold it like three months later because I think we all think it's gonna be this thing.

Yeah.

And it's just not,

and then it's just a big manual car that's like good.

Yeah. It's like 69 as a kid. Like when you're a teenager, you're like, I can't wait to six nine with a girl. And then you do it. You're like, this isn't really that great. Like there's so much I'm gonna disagree with you

there, but that's not

this type of podcast. So maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's, there's a couple other things that fall on that line. I just think it's one of those things you're like, it's just not as good. It's just not as good. Like you thought it was gonna be better than it was. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

I mean, look, I do that too. I with cars all the time. That's why I was nervous about doing the E 30 project, like balls to the wall right off the bat with a car. I wasn't that excited with. Yeah. 'cause I was like, what if I do this whole fucking project that costs me thousands of dollars and months of my time? And then I'm like, eh.

Yeah.

Okay. It wasn't that good. Maybe I shouldn't have started. And

then the last bucket is. Just give the fuck up and get rid of it. Yeah. Like cars that, like, I will probably, that they, they don't end up being finished and becoming keepers. Mm-hmm. They end up getting finished and ending up in the, like, I just wanna experience it bucket. But the reality is, is like, it's never gonna get that.

So that's actually interesting because the, I want to experience it, uh, I think, and I've learned recently is like cars, like my Evo, the yellow one, uh, or the fd have been imprinted in my brain as some of the most amazing cars ever.

Mm-hmm.

Because I bought ones that were like. Pretty turnkey. Like I changed little things on them, but I was able to just like go out and experience them right away. So you're like, wow, this is a great car. Then you move on. So it's almost like if I had a suggestion for a guy like you who like has ways to make money and stuff, it would be sell the D two S eight as is, and then one day just buy a manual one, drive it for a little bit and get rid of it.

Yeah. You know what it is though, as part of the experience for me is doing it, even if I hate the process, even if like, even if in the end I pay Mongo to do it, there's something about the building it like under my own terms.

No, I get it. It's hard to, it's hard to swallow, but sometimes you're like, the path to getting to the experience is so long that it's like,

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that I'm not right, but that's okay with me.

I get that. Yeah.

Like I understand my own affliction. Yeah. But it's just part of it. I don't know, because I daydream about building cars that I'm embarrassed to tell you guys about.

Oh,

I know. Because I have all these really cool cars. Right. Because like if you were to, like, if you were to inherit my collection, I know exactly what you would do. You'd fix the Nova, you'd probably sell everything else off, right?

No, I'd keep, I'd keep the 360, the RS two. I'd keep all the cars I mentioned.

Yeah. Yeah. So you'd keep the The main collection, right? Yeah. But for me, I don't actually sit around thinking about those cars. I think about, like I have, do you remember the Yellow Rabbit that sat on top of the containers? Yes. Like I have a dream about making that like a really fun. Daily driver. Like, like here's the thing, here's thing that's why that, remember that crio le I had in my, oh yeah. I wanna put air conditioning in it because like, it sucks. Like my rabbit doesn't have AC in. It kind of sucks driving in the summer. I want to keep the big heavy metal bumpers on it. 'cause I don't want be afraid of people like backing into it. Yeah. When I park it, like, you know, at the coffee shop, um, I want to put electric windows in it and I want put, wait,

what car are you talking about?

That yellow rabbit that used to be on top of the computer. Oh yeah. No,

don't do that. Just do with the green one, the nice one.

No, but see the thing is, is I want the, I want the green one to be like a cool like, borderline show car that like, I won't drive anymore.

No, that's

not, I'm gonna ruin the, I'm gonna ruin the green card. No, don't just

make it half nice.

But there's things I want to do to it that are like blasphemy to do to a swallow tail.

Like what?

Like putting in power windows or like putting in like ac, I just don't think like that's what that car's for. Like that car should feel very original in 1975 with an eight valve. I wanna do like my 16 valve, A, B, F and that yellow car.

If you had less cars though, when you're talking about it's a really easy build.

I know. And that's what I actually like about it because I actually, and this is another part of it, and this actually spins a whole other conversation. I miss building things cheaply.

Yeah.

Like when I was younger, I would like go get a. Parts car and I would, I would reuse like, oh, this belt has less cracks in it than this belt. I'm gonna use this belt. You know, like, oh, this fuse doesn't look as corroded. Like I was, I really enjoyed the frugalness of putting together something cheap and like not spending money. Yeah. Where the minute we got into like the YouTube build, like scope creep was crazy. Yeah. Oh, I may as well just do an fittings for all of this. Like why even run the factory funeral, right? Yeah. Where like back in the day I would just reuse everything.

Totally.

And I kind of miss cars like that. I kind of wanna just do one of those builds again. I don't know if I would keep it forever. My, my plan was like the swallows coming off the road, 'cause I'm building it for Trev Punks this year. So this build I have in mind for the rabbit, I think I could get done in two weeks. Like, I think you could get done two weeks. 'cause it's very simple and I know Yeah. Super easy. Them really well. Easy. So like, get that done. Take the swallow off the road that way. I still have a rabbit I can drive all the time. But make that like yellow car, which is, it's a, it's an 80 right? Westie. And like, just make that car. Um, something that like, looks cool is kind of stylish. And then like, probably sell it when I get the swallow back.

Where's Trev Punk gonna be this year?

I can't tell you yet, but it's going to, it's either gonna be in Arizona or California.

Okay.

Are you gonna come again?

Uh, I'm gonna ship my GTI back east.

Okay.

But, uh, I, I'll, well maybe I'll buy a car.

Oh, I like this.

Do a little thing. Yeah.

Did you, because I Did you enjoy it?

Yeah, it was fun.

Fun. You know, we had pump free on the show previously and he was actually like, he was very complimentary on the whole thing, but I think he actually enjoyed it more than he thought he was going

to. So I never did a cruise before. Well, not a cruise. I've never done like a. What is that called? Like

a road rally kind of

thing? Like a road rally destination thing before. And I thought it was really fun. Um, you know, little things I would change is like some of us are more, more drivers than others.

Shoulda have been two groups.

Yeah.

Should have been the group of the spirit spirited drivers. Right. And guys worried about their oil pants.

Yeah. That's two different groups. Volkswagens aren't really always meant to be like drivers.

Yeah. I think there's some guys who were on that trip who had never driven fast into a corner.

Same. So I think I would, I would be open to buying like a mark three or mm-hmm. Some something that I make look kind of cool and then sell it. Yeah. Which would be fun. Like, and that's something where I would be like, I want to go on this trip. I'll buy a $4,000 car.

Make

it look

cool.

Put, put a couple grand into it, make it look cool, and then sell it for hopefully what I have into it and be like, that was fun. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, cool.

Yeah.

And maybe get to save some neglected ass like Volkswagen.

Yeah.

Know. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I'd be down with that.

The, uh, like the whole point of that show was to build, or, I mean show, it's like an event, right? There's really not much of a show element to it. Was to give older dudes like us. 'cause you're now in that older group. I'm sorry to tell you. Um, reasons to finish their project cars.

Yeah.

Because like there's so many guys I know from the Volkswagen community who just have cars just sitting that like, they just don't finish. Or cars like mine that are like half on the level.

Yeah.

And you're like, like that made me go out and finally fix my door panels on the RST because I didn't wanna go and have like my door panels flapping in the wind.

Right. But, which is cool too, because it's not a car show so it doesn't even matter. 'cause you could have had your door panels slapping in the wind, but you just would've had a bunch of adult men make fun of you.

Yeah. Which is like the reason to do things.

Yeah, totally.

Yeah. I mean it's basically like just pure pressure from a bunch of shithead. Yeah. 'cause like it was an A class group of shithead.

Yeah, yeah. Also people who really cared about Volkswagens.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I felt pretty under classed there.

Oh really?

With my car? Yeah.

Oh, with your car?

Yeah. Yeah. 'cause my car's not very like special looking on the outside.

Mm. Like

so last year I got mechanically sort.

Yeah.

And then this year I'll try to make it look cooler. Yeah. You know? 'cause last year I was just like, I just wanna make it good. I don't care about, like, it's just, it

was fun though.

It was

great. I had a lot of fun.

Yeah. I liked

it. That la the, that, when we were doing that one run into Kernville along the river and it was just like me, you diogo. I think maybe darnal up front. Yeah. Like the four of us. Just like running, like that was really fun. Yeah. Like, just fast enough that it was fun. Yeah. But not so fast that like you were gonna get yourself in trouble.

Yeah. I did try to top my car out at one point in that canyon and I got bored. It was just like, I'm gonna stop.

Yeah. It was, it was, that was a good one. Oh, hey, you know, this is a good time for me to remind you guys that if you like what you're hearing, there's more of it on Patreon. For example, I could read you articles from zero to 60 that I wrote. I don't actually have to do that. I wasn't planning on it. But the cool thing about Patreon is I can do kind of whatever you guys want because on Patreon you're the boss. Go subscribe. I don't know what else is new. Same old, same old.

Yeah. I touched on selling car, buying cars

because like we, you and I have talked about a lot of plans for this year. I have actually, I have something I wanna tell you, but I can't tell you now. I have a, I have a skit show idea, but I don't want to give it away 'cause like I don't want other people to steal it.

Okay.

Um, we've got that other thing that we've got coming up. I think that'll be good. Yeah, I mean it's gonna be fun to do some, a bunch of different stuff this year together.

So what we talk about on the show,

on what show?

This show

right. This show right now. I don't know. I mean, I, I, you never asked me, oh, maybe I told you the last bucket, the last bucket's just get rid of. Yeah. So I dunno. The thing for me though is, is like back to the my car collection and how I get rid of it all is I actually think I need the process of going through with other people. To go through it. So I was thinking like, you know that show idea, I keep talking about like firing order. I think I have to do that with my own cars and I have to bring people like you on, but then I have to bring someone who's like the opposite of you, who understands. I mean, you

could do a really simple list of like. Rank 'em one through 25. That's the whole point. And then under 10 they just get cut

and then cut 'em. At a certain

point they just get cut you like no ifs, ands, or buts. Yeah. Because over 10 cars is insane activity like, like that's insane. Person activity. For someone who doesn't have a team of mechanics and things that I

have nobody. I have just me.

Yeah.

That's insane.

Yeah, maybe

because then you have parts too. So like, not only do you have cars, but we have parts. So you have like stacks of parts, like you have an enormous amount of stuff.

So, you know, I'm, I'm actually, that's like on the months like to-do list is I've got, I mean I have that one shed that you're familiar with where like, you open the door and Yeah. You can't see past it. It's just straight parts. I'm going through it 'cause I have no idea what's in there. Like, I moved out of Hoonigan, I put everything into a U-Haul and then I unloaded it there and I have no idea what's in

there. See, when I got a shop, uh, I moved out of Jason's shop and I, I had a little Scott era in me. You know, I had some for seats, I had like six sets of wheels. I had some parts and I was in my like, I don't need to sell stuff phase. I'm gonna keep this for future projects. Six

sets.

Yeah.

I have about 35 sets of wheels.

Yeah. So I was like, you know, I'm gonna keep some stuff. I don't need to sell things. Just wait. I'll get a car that I could put those seats in. I could, you know, whatever. So I had Myco moment and then I left. Jason's place and got a shop with no storage and I was like, I'm just gonna start selling stuff. And I sold like $15,000 worth of nonsense. And I was like, yo, this is sick. I just had 15 grand worth of garbage sitting around. Like

so.

So he, this stuff that I've never missed, I don't even know what it was.

So this is part of how

I think like you probably have a quarter million dollars worth of pretty much nonsense. Like, I would say mostly nonsense between like cars that you're never gonna finish, engines that don't have homes. Mis parts.

Yeah.

Things, you know, like

No, I, you know, the whole thing. Like this is even a joke. Yeah. Like I've told Ashley, if something happens to me. Call Vinnie to sell my stuff. 'cause I don't want you to sell it for what you think it's worth.

I will like

that op ship Knb is $500.

I've always, like Brian's, Brian's house is, uh, like Brian dies. Ashley doesn't care about any of this stuff and is like, I don't know, my husband had cars and stuff like, just come check it out. You like open a garage door and you're like,

there's a Ferrari in here.

Like,

she's like, we'll trade for one EAMS chair.

Yeah, just anyone come pick this crap up. I don't even care.

The funny thing is, is she does know about cars. She does? Yeah. Because she knows what a ton of it's worth. That hasn't stopped her from no longer caring. No, but I like, it's part of my, like I, I am, I'm trying to be like a better human being and like I realized that my car collection got out of control and. I was just like, I was buying cars for the same reason. Sad people eat. Like I was just filling a void, you know? I was just like, I'm fucking miserable. You know what? It'd make me feel better. Another marketplace fine, because like from the moment you start searching to buying, negotiating, and go picking it up, fucking life is just flying high. And then I would roll back into Hoonigan and y'all motherfuckers would laugh at me and I'd be like, oh, whatever. That was probably while it lasted,

I.

But then the second part of it is searching for all the parts. 'cause you're like, I've now bought this. The

paper, other,

just the proj, it's a project like you buy cars that run, I buy cars that have to get towed

off. But even though I buy cars that run, it is, uh, there's that level of like procrastination that you get with a project car. 'cause now when you're like sitting in front of your computer and you're like, oh, I have to do all these fucking things I don't want to do, you're like, lemme take a quick break and just look into what could possibly cause this. Oh, oh yeah. Oh, this guy. Oh, this thread from 2008 that has no more images left on it. He said that you could, and then all of a sudden all the contracts you have to read or emails you have to respond to. People you gotta yell at are just gone.

Nothing is more delightful than the self permission to just go look for some parts, just just to maybe hit an old forum, knock the dust off an old forum to

see what might fit. I'm a good boy. I'm not gonna waste too much time. I'm just gonna open the tabs just so I know they're there for later.

Just a couple.

You know, I have you search and you just open the tabs and you just leave 'em on the side. And then maybe in six minutes when you're overworking again, you go through one tab.

I have entire windows just sitting in the background. Uh, I mean, you know what my desktop looks like. Let me paint this for the audience. First of all, if you're asking how many icons are on the background, the answer is yes. There is an infinite number of icons. I'm not even sure I can no longer see external

rams.

I have a 42 inch, like super wide, you know, curved screen and I can't see my background image, like there's that many icons just living there to begin with. And then I've got about nine windows open and each of them are for different cars that I've been researching stuff for. Some of them are cars I own. Some of them are cars I don't own

yet. Yeah. Well because you gotta also, you gotta do your pre-planning before you buy the car. You know, you gotta make sure it's something you want to do. So, yeah. You know, you gotta pre-plan.

Yeah, no, for sure. You gotta get in, you gotta understand how, what the level of depravity is in front of you. Yeah. It's like how much cool stuff you can do. I mean like, 'cause you are different. Like we have a different kink for this like I'm sure,

but it's all the same.

Yeah. Like I'll sit there and be like, you know what a really cool, I really like SOB nine threes. Where's the, what's the first thing I do? And go search, rear wheel drive conversion SOB nine three. And there's some guy in Sweden who's done it and then he hasn't updated his thread since 2001, but I'm here for it.

I'm you're now, you're now trying to find his contact. Yeah. And if he's on any sort

of social media, he's at AOL doc, he's got an aol, do you know SE account? I'm gonna find him. And I am now 43 pages into his bill thread. Unfortunately he never finished the car, but I still feel pretty confident that I will be able to rear wheel drive, swap my SOB with a Volvo five cylinder.

Yeah.

Easy. Sounds like a great idea.

Yeah. Oh dude.

Yeah. Anyway, this is me and this is the thing I'm trying to move away from. So I, I'd like to just have like 10 cars that maybe like eight of them drive and then like two are projects. So part of how, part of how I'm thinking about this, 'cause you brought the money part, is I can't sell cars and then pay my electric bill or my mortgage with it. It's so smart. Like I should do that. No, no. Cars are

car budget.

I spent, I sold a lot of stuff this year 'cause I had to pay bills and it fucking sucked.

No, no cars

stay car budget worth paying some, buying something cool. And then just watching the money disappear to like pay bills. Right.

Well that's why people were always like, oh, only sell your car if you're gonna do it to fund a business opportunity. I'm like, no, I'll work to fund a business opportunity. Right. Because if I sell my car and do a business thing that fails, then I just got rid of a car. Yeah. But if I save up money and then I do a business thing that fails, well then I just wasted my time. And that I don't care about.

Well, like I sold, I sold my Airstream this year. Right. Um, you remember that 57 Airstream I had? Super nice. Yeah. Really, really nice. I sold to Lucy Block, so at least it like stayed in the family, but I sold it and the money was gone in like three weeks. Yeah. 'cause I had bills to pay. Yeah. And it was like, I needed the money and I was like, shit, I gotta sell something. And Ashley's like looking at the Ferrari, like, you should sell that. And I was like, I'll sell the Airstream instead. Um, and like, it just felt like it was such a shitty feeling to have this thing that was really cool that like, I was like really, like I bought it as a present for Ashley and I, and then I converted that present into like insurance bills and like mortgage payment. Still

a present

too. Yeah. Whatever. Hey, here's this house living, you know, whatever. But it just feels different. So like for me, I'm like, okay, even if not all of it. 'cause like I am a responsible human being and I've gotta pay bills, but um, like I wanna sell my Mexican B one 50.

Yeah, you should.

It's super cool.

It's in.

Let's go first. Let's go for a spinning in it. When this is done, it's super cool. It's

still filled with ant. No,

bro, bro, I'm out here telling the internet that I wanna sell this thing. There might be a buyer on this other side. Oh super. Can we not talk about super cool? Can we not talk about the ant infiltration?

It was some one time,

no, there were ants in it when I first brought it home from Mexico. Yeah, yeah. No, I killed them. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. So it's pretty cool. Um, I had to clean all the dead ants out, which was a whole other

story. You know, you, something about picking up cars and then bringing 'em back to Hoonigan and us laughing at you. I don't think there was a car that we laughed at more like, I think, you know, sometimes you'd have a bad day at work and then you would just go outside and you would see this fucking, like, you just pull up in this fucking homer, mobile canyon arrow looking thing, and you're like. What the fuck are we doing here?

Uh,

it's cool in a, like, it's the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life thing. Cool.

Well, I will tell you, there's a lot of people who want it. I bet. So I've got, I've got, I bet including Bat Tim. Bat Tim was thinking about buying it, but I've got a couple buyers lined up and I didn't wanna sell it. 'cause like, I don't know, I just think it's cool and I've always

Is it a two door or a three door?

Three door. It's like a suburban,

yeah.

So a

coupon one

side. It's, it's cool. But here's the thing I had to tell myself, it's like it needs some work and I'm not really willing to give it that work.

Yeah,

right. Like it's just like, and, and even if I am, I just don't know what I want it for. But I'll tell you what I do really.

I know you do not know what you want these things for. I know what you want them for. You want them to tell people about this ridiculous truck you have and if they'll listen, you'll even tell them why it exists and how it exists.

You know, the video I made on it did a million views on Instagram, so clearly there's at least a million people. That's why you want it interested in the story. There's probably more people who know I own that than like cars that really matter to me. You ever think about that? That like you're notorious for your blue for Ari now? Yeah. Like that's your thing, but it's probably not the car that means the most to you. No, but because the internet sees it, like that's your car.

Yeah.

Like for me, people will like, like get mad at me that the Audi Q Quatra doesn't run and I'm like, I, I forgot I owned it to You brought it. Yeah. Know where it's, I don't even care. Like right now I care about my Pentagon, my RSS two, like, you know, my nine 11, my rabbit. That's like pretty

much. Okay. Here's the deal too. If you whittle down to 10 or less cars. You can give yourself a bonus. You're allowed one new car, floater car, like the vanana gun.

Oh,

interesting. 'cause like you bought the Vanna gun. Explain a, explain

a

floater. Here's a floater car. Floater car is like my E 30 M three. It's a car that you buy knowing you're not gonna keep it, but you want to drive it for a bit. Like you're not gonna keep that Vanna gun. You just bought it. 'cause it was cool for a little bit.

I don't know. I'm like a motoring monogamist. Like I, well weirdly like in a cult fashion where I have monogamy with 25 women at the same time. I mean, cars

sounds, but like honestly it sounds equally as stressful.

Yeah, it totally is. They're

all upset.

They totally, mostly as you get older, like what I like we have a friend, I won't, I won't name them on here, but we have a friend who's like in a throuple and like he was telling me, like I ran into him at Loft and he's like telling me about his life and I was like, that sounds like a lot of work. That's tough. That's a lot of work, man. Yeah. I struggle just like keeping one woman happy. Yeah.

Lot. They probably hate you most of the time anyway. It's like you got more.

It's a lot. Um, anyway, but back to the original. Uh, so I've started telling myself like, if I sell the B one 50, the money goes into the pot to fix the other cars because like, that's also part of the problem. Yeah, that's great. Is like, I, I could not, like, I'm, I'm very careful to be like, I know I have, I have a lot of cool shit and I've made decent money in my life, so like I'm way better off than I was. Yeah. But I've actually bought more cars than I can afford to fix.

Totally.

Especially in the way I want to do it.

Yeah,

yeah. Right. So like, so for me, the B one 50 funds the F 600.

God, what? You still want to do that?

Yeah. Yeah. I kind, kind,

that's too big of a project to ever

I know, but that is like the, I, for me, like that's like a really good, like one, like if I'm gonna have one project that's really big, like that's a cool big project for you.

It's a huge project that's like a multi tens of

thousands of

dollars.

I know. I think, I think I just have to commit that I need to just spend money to move it forward. 'cause like I was very much on like, I'm gonna do it all myself and I think I'm just gonna like, hire

someone to build a CHAS for me. I can't wait to make this episode that Cole Marrow F 600 gone. Just move on. Just get rid of 'em. Just think, give 'em to someone like a Mike Burrows who will build them and spend millions of hours welding 'em and making 'em great. Don't, what do you don't commit to the F 600 of all things. Get rid of it. What, in what world do you finish that project?

But because that is like. Like we talked about this, like, I need a kink, like the F 600 to justify getting rid of a bunch of other vehicles. What is

the F 600 gonna do? Because if you, you can't even drive it into your farm

because it just, if you said to me, if you said to me like, all right, you have to get rid of the, the B one 50, the F 600. Ashley's selling her F 100 to, to Mike Burrows, by the way. Well, no

way.

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. She, he finally hit the number for her. So he hit us like on Christmas and was like, I made some money today, I wanna buy it. Hell yeah. And she hit, she, he hit her with the right number. So it's going, um,

I think you gotta tell me off camera or just

tell

me now I'm

beep. No, no. I'll tell you off camera. I, I'll tell you now. We can, you gonna remember to beep it? I'll tell you now.

That's

it. You, I thought that was really good money for that.

Yeah, I guess

like, it's like in a stock. I mean, we bought it for,

I think it's cool though, but yeah. 20 grand sounds right.

Um. Stock motor and shit.

Yeah.

It'll run forever though. Rod

dock,

um, rod dock all the way through, so, but, uh, he's, he's in love with it. He's infatuated with it and he'll do something cool with it. Ashley said that the one contingency was that she wants, like, visitation rights. Yeah, because she knows she'll, he'll make it cool.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a good person to

sell. Its a great person to sell it. I, it's a great person to sell to, but like, so I get rid of like, those three Ford trucks and it's like, what am I gonna like put that into, I don't know, like, I feel like, like Ford trucks have to be sold, the other

10 cars that are gonna need stuff.

I dunno. I, I, I, it just like, I, I, I feel like if I'm gonna, I can't get rid of all my Ford projects. Like, I guess I have my van. I guess I could, but like, it's a different thing. I've, I've just always wanted like a monster like vehicle like that.

Go visit Ryan Anderson. Go look at a monster truck. Take your son to go look at Monster trucks.

Because I'm also a little afraid that like I'm getting too into Volkswagens again. Because I'm like getting rid of a bunch of other stuff and like I just like, then I only have those. So I don't

know. The thing about most of this crap is you could buy it again.

Not, but like, it all gets like ridiculously out price. Like the price is just outta control.

I think once you don't have it, you're never gonna think about building a,

that

might be true at 600 with a diesel and a flip.

Technically I don't

have it right now. What are you trying to put in the back? Like a pool?

Yes. I'm trying to put a kitty pool on the back.

What do you, what do you wanna do with the fucking thing?

Don't you remember the drawing?

Yeah. It was like a, a, a car hauler that you could take the bed off and then put a cattle hauler on. And

so it's a crew cab F 600.

It's a cool thing.

It's a crew cab F 600. Um, a buddy of mine built it up in, uh, started building it up in Canada and um, I bought it from him. He called it F Max 'cause it was built to have a doax in it. Mm-hmm. That doax runs, but. In like some weird situation. I ended up with the Camaro, like I still don't fully understand how the Camaro's mine, but they didn't wanna deal with it. They didn't wanna park it. So I got the ro It's probably not the car I would've chose to leave Hoonigan with, but I was like, Hey, I might, it'd be cool to keep it. I have no interest in the Cal Marrow.

No,

I don't have any interest in setting, um, speed records. It's actually the one motor sport that I like, have no interest in. Like I have interest in spectating it. I have no interest going 200 miles an hour.

No.

Like it's just the risk versus reward. Like I'd rather take a corner at 80 that's tight than like drive straight. That's 200. No. Yeah. Like it just doesn't work for me,

not down.

So, and the, I know too much about physics to like want to get into that crash. Um, so the idea is like, okay, take the coal marrow engine, detune it, put it into that. Right. Cool engine setup and then build like a tray back or you know, set up that's completely custom in the rear that has a removable like beaver tail. So it can be a ramp truck, but you can remove the beaver tail and then it's just a regular flap edge. See the thing, let me finish, lemme finish, lemme finish. Because ramp trucks I think are super cool in concept, but everyone I know who owns ones is like, I drive it once every four months.

Yeah. But because if you can't weld and make this stuff, it's gonna cost you like 200.

I can weld them. I'm just

good

yet.

So he's gonna cost you 200 grand to build this thing.

So

easy. 200 grand. And it's gonna be rough.

Not in my crazy brand. It's

gonna cost you 200 grand, I guarantee. Let

me, let me finish. So,

yo, that's actually a great idea. You bri, you make a mega episode, right? And then you have sub episodes and you have like, people come out and like give you quotes on builds because how big

I just am like, Hey, I wanna build a rear wheel drive sob, here's what it is, and this, and

they'll be like, cool. Yeah, okay, that's

$90,000.

What are you gonna sub out? And you're like, well, I don't wanna do this, this, okay, cool. Yeah, it's gonna be 60 K. You're gonna be like, oh, I don't fucking want that thing anymore. Like,

which, what's a good name for that show?

I don't know. I can't name anything.

Yeah. You know, we have to bring Ron on.

Yeah.

Get Ron could name

going to name stuff.

So, um, anyway, I don't know. I, I, because for me actually right now. I, a regular pickup truck is not big enough for farm life. Like I need something that I can put a 12 foot water tank on the back of. So I actually do have a need for like a really, really big, you know, truck, but something that like really only gets driven like kind of locally. So like why not have a fucking absolutely badass F 600 that's worth two th 200,000.

Yeah, because I mean, why not just get like a fucking utility trailer that people put tractors on and just tell a lot?

Do why needs it be so pragmatic? Oh, Vinnie,

no, you're ridiculous. That's a crazy move.

But that's like, it's one of those bills that like, I don't know, it's still there. I just really like old Ford trucks and I don't know.

Okay, here's, here's a good pod then for next episode where I'm here, or one of 'em go to the farm. Take pictures of every single photo that every single car you have, and then we'll put 'em on a board and we can do it on the pod.

This is going to be what the show is like. This is it. Like we're just gonna go through and we're gonna cut 'em down.

Yeah,

we're gonna cut 'em down.

Yeah. Yeah. And like, 'cause I, you know, 'cause like these people,

like the president, I have ultimate veto power. But you guys all have a say

these people, these innocent people out there, probably like when you talk about these things, right? In their brain, they're probably like, don't tell 'em to get rid of this thing. 'cause they're probably imagining like, oh, Brian seems pretty put together. Oh trust

me, there's someone who already unfollowed me because I said I'm getting rid of the B one 50. Like the only reason they're here. No,

no, no, no. He

said, I've been

carrying that. What I'm saying that I

was gonna build this

car. They're like, this guy, you know, he is got a podcast studio. He owns a couple cameras and like things like, they're probably like, don't get rid of this car. But they need to see, they need to see like the Cabrio you're talking about that's just like this thing has a fucking, has a redwood growing out of it and like you like the E type, but I don't even know, maybe you left it like somewhere in like the desert. Like who knows? You know? Like they need to see the visuals, they need to understand the cars that I'm telling you to get rid of.

You may have a point, like I said, you're not wrong and I'm not right, but. Uh, yeah. So anyway. Well,

that's all I got.

Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on. I You're tired,

dude. Last episode of the season.

Only to start another season

when?

Next week.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, there's like no real sun setting here, but I wanna try, we're gonna try the firing order show as part of like the next season. I

like that. Yeah.

Um, I just think that the show is, I like, I enjoy this like, this like long banter format, but I find that a lot of times, like when we're on this, like we go all over the place and then like there's no real good stopping point. So you're like, we're either just continuing to talk just because it's for talking.

Yeah.

Or other times like you get into this like weird spin where you're talking about one thing and then you get to the end and you're like, man, we spent an hour on that night and then we didn't have enough time to talk about this at the end. And like, there's a way to like move people back over. But sometimes you just, like, the banter show just works. Yeah. And like there's a reason it works. Like, I mean. Joe Rogan is successful at doing the banter show. Right? Like it works and there's an audience that likes that. But I also think like a very structured show, like Firing Order is really interesting because one, you can keep bringing on same people. Yeah. And you don't like run outta shit to say.

Yeah.

I mean, look, we're hour and a half in and you're done.

Yeah.

Although we could bring up random stuff on, move from the conversation again, but like, yeah. It's like this gives you like a reason to be like, Hey, we can be very formulate with this, but you could also bring people on who may not be as strong of conversationalists. Right. And maybe not because they don't have the same gift of gab that you and I have, but there isn't that chemistry.

Right?

Right. Like there's just like, Hey, we have never met before. Yeah. Or whatever. But you stick them into a show where like it's very simple. Like these are your three things like you have to fight for,

right?

Like go like, it just, yeah. I love that. I think it's great idea. I think it works really well. So, um, and then I've got that other show idea that you and I'll do like in April, so. Okay. Um, yeah, no, no. I mean, honestly like, if, if you've got nothing else to say, I've got nothing else to say. This is like the smartest thing that Matt Ferris said to me. He was on the last pod and I said something like, I don't know, like, you know, when do you know when to end a pod? And he is like when you ask that.

All right folks. Well, it's good time

over

here. Yeah,

good. Uh, end of the first season. Uh, we will see you next week for a whole new season of new shows and different things. So thank you very much guys. Again, check the Patreon, support all the partners. Go check out Vinnie's page if you don't, but I'm sure you already do. So make sure

Brian comes on it.

Yeah, and I'll be on it next time. Thanks bud.

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