We Almost Rolled the INEOS Wagon
About this episode
Zach and Matt dive into their off-roading experience with the INEOS Grenadier, discussing its rugged design and unique steering characteristics. They compare it to other SUVs, highlighting its boxy, truck-like feel and the challenges of its recirculating ball steering. The duo also touches on the recent news of Elon Musk's decision to halt production of the Model S and X, and a proposal for an Indy car race at the National Mall. Their lively banter includes personal anecdotes from a busy cars and coffee event, making for an engaging listen.
Matt Farah and Zack Klapman went off-roading in the new 2026 INEOS Grenadier Station Wagon Trialmaster and it almost went very wrong; a full review of the INEOS and its competitors; Tesla is ending production of the Model S and X, so we talk about why and what it means for the future; Washington D.C. is going to have an INDY street race apparently; and we answer 50 questions from our Patreon members, including:
- Would we rather be mid-tier racing drivers or have our current jobs?
- Which supercar should have had a diesel engine?
- Miata RF or soft-top?
- Best M5: E90 M5 or E90 M3?
- Most enthusiast-magnet nerd car?
- Are "classic" tires worth the price for my older car?
- Which cars does every enthusiast need to drive?
- More timeless design: Lexus GS or C6 Corvette?
- Do we like bigger wheels? When?
- Were early paddle-shifted transmissions cool when they came out?
- That new Porsche Rally GT
- Why does the S63 AMG feel like too much AMG and not enough S?
- F1 2026: Audi vs Cadillac. Thoughts?
- Which cars depreciate TOO fast?
- Why don't STIs hold value?
- Options that made cars unreliable
- Would you always choose a lighter engine in a race car?
- Foreign car brands that would work here
- And many more!
Recorded February 2, 2026
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Tesla Model X
"Not make cars anymore Canceling the Model X and S with no replacement all this and more. It's..."
Cars and Coffee
"...went to Manhattan Beach cars and coffee, which was good. It was so busy..."
Cars and Coffee is a fun event where people bring their cars to show off and chat with other car lovers while drinking coffee. You can see many different types of cars there.
Cars and Coffee is a casual gathering where car enthusiasts meet to showcase their vehicles, share stories, and enjoy coffee. These events often feature a wide variety of cars, from classics to modern supercars.
Ford Gt
"...next to in between a singer and a Ford GT pink car. It was okay. Wow..."
The Ford GT is a fast sports car made by Ford. It's famous for its cool looks and speed, and it was inspired by a classic race car from the 1960s.
The Ford GT is a high-performance sports car produced by Ford, known for its sleek design and powerful engine. It pays homage to the original GT40 that won the Le Mans race in the 1960s.
Porsche Spider
"...I have race techs in my spider..."
The Porsche Spider is a type of sports car made by Porsche that is designed to be very light and fast. It usually has a convertible top, which means you can drive it with the roof down, making it a fun car for driving enthusiasts.
The Porsche Spider refers to a lightweight, high-performance variant of Porsche sports cars, often associated with models like the 918 Spyder or the Boxster Spyder. These cars are designed for agility and driving pleasure, typically featuring a convertible top and a focus on performance.
Ineos Grenadier
"...we spent it on the mountain with the new and improved Ineos grenadier and..."
The Ineos Grenadier is a new type of tough, off-road vehicle made for people who love adventure. It's built to be strong and can handle rough roads and trails.
The Ineos Grenadier is a rugged off-road vehicle designed for adventure and utility, inspired by classic 4x4s. It features a body-on-frame construction, solid axles, and is built to handle tough terrains.
Ineos
"The Ineos is the is the manufacturer the grenadier is the model line"
Ineos is a car company from the UK that makes tough vehicles, like the Grenadier.
Ineos is a British manufacturer known for producing rugged vehicles, including the Grenadier, which is designed for off-road capability.
Ineos Quartermaster
"Quartermaster, which is the pickup truck and that thing is like long like like a Jeep gladiator"
The Ineos Quartermaster is a pickup truck version of the Grenadier, built for tough use and off-road driving.
The Ineos Quartermaster is a pickup truck variant of the Grenadier, designed for utility and off-road performance.
off-roading vehicle
"...helps justify having an off-roading vehicle and like it's more it's more of a truck state..."
An off-roading vehicle is built to drive on bumpy and rough surfaces, like dirt or rocks. They usually have special features to help them handle tough conditions.
An off-roading vehicle is designed to drive on rough terrain, such as dirt roads, rocks, and mud. These vehicles often have features like higher ground clearance and four-wheel drive.
body-on-frame
"...it's a body-on-frame thing solid axles old school..."
Body-on-frame means the main part of the car (the body) is built on a strong frame underneath. This makes it tough and good for off-roading, like in trucks and some SUVs.
Body-on-frame is a construction method where the vehicle's body is mounted on a separate frame. This design is commonly used in trucks and SUVs, providing durability and off-road capability.
solid axles
"...it's a body-on-frame thing solid axles old school..."
Solid axles are strong parts that connect the wheels on a vehicle. They help the car handle rough terrain better, making them great for off-roading.
Solid axles are a type of suspension system where the axle is a single piece that connects both wheels on an axle. This design is known for its strength and off-road performance.
recirculating ball steering
"...it has recirculating ball steering Which I thought had completely gone the way of the dodo in passenger vehicles..."
Recirculating ball steering is a way to help turn the wheels of a car. It uses small balls to make it easier to steer, and it's usually found in older cars and trucks.
Recirculating ball steering is a type of steering mechanism that uses a series of balls to reduce friction and improve steering feel. It's often found in older vehicles and some off-road models.
Jeep Wrangler
"...nger vehicles, but I'm bringing it back Does the Wrangler not still use it? I don't think so. I think the W..."
Ford Bronco
"Didn't it or no? The Bronco has rack and pinion the Bronco having rack and pi..."
rack and pinion steering
"[457.8s] rack and pinion steering"
Rack and pinion steering is a system that helps you steer your car. When you turn the steering wheel, it moves a gear that pushes a rod, which then turns the wheels of the car. This makes it easier to control where you want to go.
Rack and pinion steering is a type of steering mechanism used in cars that converts the rotational motion of the steering wheel into the linear motion needed to turn the wheels. It consists of a gear (the pinion) that meshes with a linear gear (the rack), allowing for precise steering control.
Chevrolet Camaro
"It felt like you know Camaro's in sport mode. The weight was was a more of a shelf than a ramp"
The Chevrolet Camaro is a fast car that many people love for its sporty feel. It has different settings that make it drive better in certain situations.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular American muscle car known for its performance and sporty design. It has various driving modes, including sport mode, which enhances its responsiveness and handling.
sports car
"Makes it like extra weird the steering wheel is like almost a sports car sized steering wheel..."
Sports cars are fast and designed to handle well on the road. They usually have a sleek look and are fun to drive.
A sports car is designed for high performance, featuring a focus on handling, speed, and driving pleasure. They often have features like a low center of gravity and responsive steering.
Mini Cooper
"...this wheel would be right at home in a mini Cooper..."
The Mini Cooper is a small car that's fun to drive and easy to park. It's known for its unique style and sporty feel.
The Mini Cooper is a small, sporty hatchback known for its agile handling and distinctive design. It has a reputation for being fun to drive, especially in urban environments.
lock-to-lock
"So when you combine this small thick rim steering wheel with a ton of turns lock-to-lock..."
Lock-to-lock is how many times you can turn the steering wheel from one side to the other. More turns mean you have to turn the wheel more to steer the car.
Lock-to-lock refers to the total number of turns the steering wheel can make from one extreme to the other. A smaller number indicates quicker steering response, while a larger number can provide more gradual steering input.
alignment
"...there's a lot of pushback on the wheel and it could be the alignment. It could be you know, you have pretty big wheels and tires..."
Alignment is how the wheels are set up on a car. If they're not lined up correctly, it can cause problems like uneven tire wear or difficulty steering.
Alignment refers to the adjustment of a vehicle's suspension system, ensuring that the wheels are positioned correctly relative to each other and the road. Proper alignment improves handling, tire wear, and overall driving safety.
wheels and tires
"...you have pretty big wheels and tires. But it's just as you when you turn it you're getting a lot of force back on it..."
Wheels are the round parts that help the car move, and tires are the rubber coverings that go around them. They are important for how well a car drives and handles the road.
Wheels and tires are crucial components of a vehicle that affect handling, performance, and safety. The size and type of wheels and tires can significantly impact how a car drives, especially in terms of grip and responsiveness.
self-centering
"...it was just weird the self-centering. Yeah, which is when you're going from a turn in the car straightening out and most cars will if you let go of the..."
Self-centering is when the steering wheel automatically moves back to the middle after you turn it. This helps the car go straight again after you finish turning.
Self-centering refers to a vehicle's ability to return the steering wheel to a neutral position after a turn. This feature helps maintain control and stability while driving, especially during cornering.
Ford Bronco Sport
"...we did it in a Bronco Sport..."
The Ford Bronco Sport is a small SUV that can handle rough roads and off-road conditions. It's built for people who like to explore outdoors and need a vehicle that can go on different types of terrain.
The Ford Bronco Sport is a compact SUV designed for off-road capability, featuring a rugged design and advanced four-wheel-drive systems. It's known for its versatility in various terrains, making it a popular choice among outdoor enthusiasts.
Ford Escape
"...ave much trouble with this trail We did it in an escape before no we did it in a Bronco sport Bronco spor..."
Subaru Outback
"...the outback didn't make it..."
The Subaru Outback is a type of car that looks like a mix between a wagon and an SUV. It's great for driving in different weather and on rough roads, making it popular for outdoor activities.
The Subaru Outback is a crossover SUV known for its all-wheel-drive system and capability in various weather conditions. It combines the features of a wagon and an SUV, making it suitable for both urban and outdoor adventures.
Porsche Macan
"...I tried it in a Macan once and that couldn't do it..."
The Porsche Macan is a small luxury SUV that combines sporty driving with comfort. It's designed to be fun to drive while also being practical for everyday use.
The Porsche Macan is a luxury compact SUV that offers sporty performance and high-end features. It is designed for both on-road comfort and off-road capability, though it is primarily known for its performance-oriented driving experience.
low-range
"...anything with low-range can do it pretty much..."
Low-range is a special setting in some four-wheel-drive vehicles that helps them drive better in tough conditions, like steep hills or rocky paths. It gives the car more power to handle difficult situations.
Low-range refers to a gearing system in four-wheel-drive vehicles that allows for increased torque and better control in challenging off-road conditions. It is particularly useful for climbing steep inclines or navigating rough terrain.
skid plates
"...we scratched up both skid plates pretty well and the center..."
Skid plates are tough metal shields that protect the bottom of a vehicle. They help keep important parts safe when driving on rough ground.
Skid plates are protective plates installed on the underside of a vehicle to shield critical components from damage when driving over rough terrain. They are especially important for off-road vehicles to prevent damage from rocks and debris.
air down
"We don't air down we just drive them right off the road and up the trail just because that's how we do the test. I mean this isn't like Sciencey science, but like I think if we air down some of the cars and not others that would be not you know consistent."
Airing down means letting some air out of the tires. This helps the tires grip better on rough surfaces, making it easier to drive off-road.
Airing down refers to the practice of reducing tire pressure to improve traction and ride comfort, especially in off-road conditions. Lower tire pressure allows the tire to conform better to the terrain, increasing the contact patch and enhancing grip.
tire pressure
"And we leave the tire pressure stock, so I think had we aired down we probably could have got up this soft thing."
Tire pressure is how much air is in a tire. Keeping the right amount of air is important for safe driving and helps the tires last longer.
Tire pressure refers to the amount of air inside a tire, measured in pounds per square inch (PSI). Proper tire pressure is crucial for vehicle safety, fuel efficiency, and tire longevity, as it affects handling and traction.
full droop
"It's a lot and it's at full droop. Yeah, and the other tire is at full compression"
Full droop is when a car's wheel is hanging down as far as it can go. It helps to know how the car's suspension works, especially when driving on rough terrain.
Full droop refers to the maximum downward extension of a suspension system, where the wheel is at its lowest point. This condition is important for understanding how a vehicle's suspension behaves during off-road situations.
full compression
"It's a lot and it's at full droop. Yeah, and the other tire is at full compression"
Full compression means the car's wheel is pushed up as high as it can go. It's important for keeping the tires on the ground and helping the car stay stable.
Full compression is the state of a suspension system when the wheel is pushed up as far as it can go, maximizing contact with the ground. This is crucial for traction and stability, especially in off-road conditions.
Ford Ranger
"...ay bars, you know, you can get them on the Bronco Ranger or Wrangler I think have them first of course an..."
sway bars
"Sway bars, you know, you can get them on the Bronco Ranger or Wrangler. I think have them first of course and..."
Sway bars are parts of a car's suspension that help keep it stable when turning. They connect the wheels on each side of the car to prevent it from leaning too much during turns.
Sway bars, also known as anti-roll bars, are components that help reduce body roll during cornering. They connect the left and right wheels, allowing for better stability and handling, especially in off-road situations.
Toyota Land Cruiser
"...you get on the Toyota the Toyota the Land Cruiser. I mean people who are experienced off-roaders know..."
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a big SUV that's great for off-roading. It's known for being tough and reliable, making it a popular choice for adventure seekers.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a full-size SUV known for its off-road capabilities and durability. It has a long history of being a reliable vehicle for both on-road and off-road driving.
Porsche Cayenne
"...t a top-heavy Floppy-ass SUV yeah, not a fucking cayenne turbo right so so you have to so if best case sce..."
Toyota 4Runner
"The how impressive the forerunner was you know, that's a four-cylinder engine... it had the eye power whatever electric boost and by filling in those torque spots"
The Toyota 4Runner is a tough SUV that can handle rough roads and off-road adventures. It's built to be strong and durable.
The Toyota 4Runner is a mid-size SUV known for its off-road capabilities and rugged design. It features a body-on-frame construction, making it suitable for tough terrains.
Mercedes-Benz G-Class
"do the electric g-wagon sure that's the electric G-wagon and the and the Rivian the four motor Rivian"
The G-Class, or G-Wagon, is a fancy SUV from Mercedes-Benz that can go off-road and looks very unique.
The Mercedes-Benz G-Class, often referred to as the G-Wagon, is a luxury SUV known for its off-road capabilities and iconic boxy design.
Rivian R1T
"do the electric g-wagon sure that's the electric G-wagon and the and the Rivian the four motor Rivian"
The Rivian R1T is a new electric truck that can go off-road and has four electric motors, making it very powerful and easy to control.
The Rivian R1T is an all-electric pickup truck known for its off-road capabilities and innovative features, including four electric motors for enhanced traction and control.
Land Defenders
"...ny of those fucking Crazy expensive like v8 swap defenders on either any of that kind of shit Skip all of t..."
Land Rover Range Rover
"The the comp for this is old defender not new Range Rover or maybe maybe hopped up Wrangler. I mean you if ..."
Jeep Gladiator
"... this fucking This is uh, uh, like a map like in gladiator 200 days of games. This is like the straight up"
Porsche Boxster
"Previously had an mg and a boxster Uh, currently top of the list is a honda s 800 a..."
Honda S800
"and a boxster Uh, currently top of the list is a honda s 800 and old mini What else should I throw on the list and a manx feels a bit too weather dependent?"
Volkswagen Beetle
"... too weather dependent? Uh, well, how about your beetles then? I mean, there's lots of room in beetle land..."
Mazda Miata
"...some P car photos. Do you prefer the look of the miata rf over the standard soft top? And does the rf's..."
Bugatti Veyron
"...ue of it and the long legs My brain goes to like veyron if you want to drive 2,000 miles in one tank of f..."
Volvo P1800
"...emember the uh, who made that Volvo? We drove the p1800 thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah zero caster terrible Also,..."
Toyota Supra
"...pinion system. Yeah. Yeah Uh kendrick lamark for supra pretty good"
BMW M Bmws
"Actually in terms of touching and in terms of driving is probably genesis genesis. Yeah cars that would underperform non m bmw's now. I think if you got in a fucking Like a"
Hyundai Elantra
"Like a Fully loaded up. I don't know elantra versus a BMW 2 series the front wheel drive one ..."
Ferrari 308
"...ntosh is 15s. I mean the my manx is 15s like The ferrari 308 is 15s a lot of 80s cars are 15s 70s and 80s cars..."
Ford Mustang
"...'ve got your Miata's Uh, you've got your uh, uh, mustangs 80s 80s 90s mustangs you've got your uh, Your ci..."
Subaru Wrx
"...one should drive um Like uh, like an early 2000s subaru wrx or sti and even also an evo"
Ford Model T
"...in generation of horsepower everyone should try a model t Um, everyone should try a three on the tree colu..."
Chevrolet C6
"...odern era design The last generation lexus gs or c6 c6 I have a question"
Aston Martin Vanquish
"...ewing like the ferrari 360 or the or or the aston vanquish or any Or the the the mercy lambom"
Nissan Skyline
"...t or most surprising enthusiast nerd magnet car? Skylines Yeah, I mean you you can't get out of a gas stat..."
Volkswagen Eos
"Hmm I mean this this in eos, you know is is a fairly regular car and people s..."
Porsche 911
"Yeah, now the limits have gotten higher with cars like that because its power's gone up. So, you know a new 9-11 turbo s Which is what the GT are competed with when it came out is so fast the limits the"
Toyota Corolla
"gr Corollas are really easy to drive at the limit particularl..."
Tesla Model S
"...g that Uh thoughts on the discontinuation of the model s and x that is um the x I I I could see but what'..."
Tesla Model Y
"...hey don't really have any next gen Plans for for model y or model three either They're"
Chrysler Pacifica
"...ave five regular cars Yeah, we rented a chrysler pacifica Those are good for racing. That was that was goo..."
Ford Explorer
"...eal glass and I go that's a bmw3 series a forward explorer Anise on versa. I'm not I'm not talking depth pe..."
Volkswagen Buses
"...t dollar to horsepower ratio? Uh crazy 21 window volkswagen buses come to mind at 200,000 for 50 horsepower How fa..."
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