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We Ride at Dawn. With Steve Ellis.

We Ride at Dawn. With Steve Ellis.

That Car Show Jun 05, 2026 62 min
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About this episode

Steve Ellis fills in for Dan and shares how his mom sparked his car obsession—starting with a piston-and-skull sticker and a Gran Turismo PlayStation moment. He traces his path from UTI and Lamborghini Houston to automotive journalism, event curation, and building community through car culture. The hosts then debate Ferrari’s controversial direction and EV design expectations, before pivoting to real-world driving ethics on canyon roads—“it’s not a race track”—and practical enthusiast takeaways from manual-transmission and press-drive experiences.

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Company

UTI

"So fresh out of high school, I moved to Houston, [278.6s] attended Automotive Tech School, UTI. [282.5s] And I connived my way into being in the parts"

UTI is a technical school that teaches hands-on skills for jobs like automotive repair. The speaker went there to learn the trade before getting a job in car parts and service.

Company

Lamborghini Houston

"And I connived my way into being in the parts [287.3s] and service department for Lamborghini Houston [289.1s] when they opened. [290.0s] Oh, wow. Oh my gosh."

Lamborghini Houston is a local Lamborghini dealership. The speaker got their first job there in the parts and service department.

Car

Ferrari Luce

"So I'm gonna throw out a few controversial automotive topics [573.3s] and I want your take and we'll go from there. [576.2s] I think you can guess the very first one. [577.8s] That's the Ferrari Luce. [583.6s] You mean the Ferrari iPhone only?"

Ferrari Luce is a new Ferrari that people have been talking about online and in the news. The discussion is basically: does it live up to what Ferrari is known for, or is it disappointing?

Brand

BMW

"it's Ferrari, you know, we can, we can give a little with BMW or whatever, you know, but Ferrari's always stayed the course, right?"

BMW is a well-known German car brand. In this conversation, it’s mentioned mainly as the comparison brand to Ferrari.

Term

eligible to purchase

"you end up having to buy a certain vehicle to make you eligible to purchase a second other vehicle."

In this context, “eligible to purchase” refers to an allocation/eligibility requirement used by some luxury brands. The host is describing a system where you must buy a specific car to qualify for another, rarer model.

Car

Ferrari California

"Any, you know, maybe they used to say that about the California. That's right. You know, again, to buy the California, you know,"

The Ferrari California is one of Ferrari’s more approachable models—still a Ferrari, but less extreme than the rarest supercars. The host is saying Ferrari has used similar tactics before to get customers into the brand.

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entry level

"The same way, too. You might be a Ferrari outback, but it still looks like a Ferrari."

“Entry level” just means the most accessible Ferrari in their lineup—usually the one that costs less than the ultra-rare cars. It doesn’t mean it’s ordinary; it’s still a Ferrari.

Brand

Aston Martin

"Alpha, not Alpha male Aston Martin several years ago, faced a similar dilemma."

Aston Martin is a famous British car brand that makes stylish luxury sports cars. Here, the host is comparing the look of another car to Aston Martin’s design style.

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V12

"In fact, I think they even stuffed the V12 in a couple of them for good measure, right? And yeah, it looked like an Aston Martin, you know, grill tacked on,"

A V12 is a type of engine with 12 cylinders. The host is saying some versions even used a big V12 engine, which is a surprising twist in a conversation otherwise about EV design.

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EV

"And they were very, I think, transparent with why they did it. And, you know, nobody's knocking the EV part of it."

EV just means an electric car. The host is saying the electric powertrain isn’t the problem—he’s more focused on how the car looks and feels inside.

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ergonomics

"I think whatever I'm shocked is that they thought that was an acceptable design. They thought that the ergonomics of the interior were acceptable."

Ergonomics is how comfortable and usable the car’s interior is—like where the seats and controls land for your body. The host is saying the interior setup wasn’t totally off.

Concept

platform

"They thought that the ergonomics of the interior were acceptable. They thought that this platform was acceptable when nothing on the lineage of Ferrari would lead or even point to that direction."

A platform is the car’s basic “foundation”—the main layout it’s built on. The host is saying the underlying design choices didn’t match what you’d expect from that brand’s usual direction.

Concept

design language

"why are we limiting the design language? You know, here we have a platform that is unprecedented."

Design language means the overall style cues that make cars look like they belong to a certain brand or trend. The host thinks EVs could look more different from each other instead of all following the same template.

Car

Lucid Air

"if I had to pick one and we lined them all up and we took the badges off, you would argue that the lucid air looks just like Tesla."

Lucid Air is an all-electric car (an EV) made by Lucid. The host is saying that if you hide the brand badges, the Lucid Air can look a lot like other EVs—so EV design language may be converging.

Car

Tesla

"you would argue that the lucid air looks just like Tesla. Which looks like, you know, this and that."

Tesla is a company that makes electric cars. In this discussion, it’s being used as the comparison for how EVs can end up looking alike.

Car

Lincoln Continental

"It was like the Lincoln Continental and they were talking about how the Lincoln Continental was it's anomaly of a design exercise because it was so long and it was a convertible and it made the chassis so weak"

Lincoln Continental is a famous old luxury car model from Lincoln. The host is saying that its long convertible design made the car’s structure less rigid, and that’s part of why EVs might be able to do different body styles.

Term

convertible

"they were talking about how the Lincoln Continental was it's anomaly of a design exercise because it was so long and it was a convertible and it made the chassis so weak"

A convertible is a car with a roof that can open up so you can drive with the top down. The host is saying that making a car convertible can make the frame less stiff, which matters for how the car is built.

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chassis

"because it was so long and it was a convertible and it made the chassis so weak and it was a convertible and it made the chassis so weak"

The chassis is the car’s main frame/structure that everything is attached to. The host is saying some designs—like very long convertibles—can make that structure less stiff, while EVs can be built differently.

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transmission tunnel

"And I'm like, well, an EV doesn't have a transmission tunnel or anything. And so it has a really strong solid bottom."

A transmission tunnel is a hump or channel in the floor where the car’s drivetrain components sit. The host is saying EVs don’t need that same setup, so the car can be built with a different, potentially stiffer layout.

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coupes

"So why haven't we seen any beautiful EV convertibles? Why haven't we seen any beautiful EV coupes?"

A coupe is a car with a fixed roof and usually a sportier, sleeker shape than a typical sedan. The host is wondering why EVs don’t seem to offer as many attractive coupe designs.

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EV trucks

"It's like, why have, you know what I'm saying? It's like, why haven't we seen any beautiful EV coupes? Why have, you know what I'm saying? It's like, why haven't we seen any beautiful EV coupes? It's like, why haven't we seen any beautiful EV coupes? You know, there's so much, I feel like ways to explore design that would have been limited to by the traditional combustion engine layout of a vehicle."

EV trucks are electric versions of pickup-truck-style vehicles. The host thinks a lot of them have become huge, and he wants to see more variety in how they look.

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combustion engine layout

"there's so much, I feel like ways to explore design that would have been limited to by the traditional combustion engine layout of a vehicle."

A combustion engine layout is how a gas or diesel engine is placed inside a car. The host is saying EVs don’t need the same arrangement, so designers aren’t stuck with the same constraints.

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propulsion

"I'm not knocking the EV because at the end of the day, it's just propulsion. But it's but it's now, if you're going to take away my sound"

Propulsion just means what makes the car move. The host is saying EVs still do the job, but they don’t make the same engine sounds people associate with driving.

Concept

coach building

"I remember that when, you know, the dawn of EVs, it was going to be this skateboard chassis and we're going to be, it's going to be the return of coach building. Do you remember that? Yeah. The return of coach building."

Coach building is when a specialist company designs and builds the car’s body, sometimes in a more custom way. The host is saying people hoped EVs would bring back that more “handcrafted” approach to car design.

Brand

Pennefrina

"And then Ferrari goes and fires Pennefrina, right? And look, look at them now."

“Pennefrina” sounds like Pininfarina, a well-known Italian design company. The host is talking about how Ferrari’s relationship with that design firm changed.

Car

Tesla Roadster

"You know, we were promised the Tesla Roadster. We never got that."

The Tesla Roadster is an electric sports car Tesla talked about as a big, exciting EV. The host is saying people expected it to arrive, but it didn’t happen the way they thought.

Car

BMW M3 convertible

"it's like BMW hasn't even made a M3 convertible or EV like comparison car. You know, there's there's just nothing that's enjoyable."

The BMW M3 is a sporty BMW that’s known for driving feel. The host is saying BMW hasn’t made an M3 convertible (or an equivalent EV option) that would be an easy, enjoyable alternative.

Term

horsepower

"Because everything's fast as hell. Now it doesn't matter. Everything's got a thousand horsepower or at least 500 horsepower now."

Horsepower is a way to describe how strong a car’s engine or motor is. The host is saying today’s cars all have huge numbers, so it doesn’t make them feel special anymore.

Concept

jelly bean

"it's gray, it's white, it's black and it looks like a jelly bean. If you were in the 90s, if you were even the 2000s..."

The host is using “jelly bean” to mean modern cars can look kind of the same—plain and rounded. They’re saying older cars had more distinctive styling and colors.

Car

Ferrari Roma

"If I was Ferrari, I would just make EV versions of the production vehicles I have. I make a EV Roma, I make a EV, because if you're going to make me buy"

The Ferrari Roma is a Ferrari road car meant for comfortable, fast cruising. Here, the host is joking about making an electric version of it instead of trying to push a controversial new design.

Car

Bentley Continental

"you know, I can buy a Corvette or a Bentley Continental, or hybrid, whatever you want to call it."

The Bentley Continental is a luxury grand tourer—more about comfort and big power than track-focused driving. The host is using it as another example of a car someone could buy instead of a smaller Ferrari.

Term

hybrid

"or hybrid, whatever you want to call it. That's what I'd have done."

A hybrid uses two kinds of power—usually a gas engine plus an electric motor. The car can switch between them or use both together depending on driving conditions.

Concept

Ferrari lineage

"I don't think that vehicle should have a place in the Ferrari lineage. I would like to think that if I drank enough tomorrow"

“Lineage” here means the brand’s overall identity over time—what Ferrari is “supposed” to be. The host is saying a certain car doesn’t fit the Ferrari image they expect.

Brand

Porsche

"if you let's say you put Porsche and Ferrari side by side... we won Le Mans again, and we just have Porsche on a T-shirt."

Porsche is a German performance car brand with a big racing history. In this part, it’s brought up to compare how Porsche fans and Ferrari fans show their support.

Place

Le Mans

"You know, for the Porsche guys, like we won Le Mans again, and we just have Porsche on a T-shirt."

Le Mans is a very famous long-distance race in France. If a brand wins it, that’s a big deal because it proves the cars can last and perform under tough conditions.

Concept

shitification

"I think the reason it's just, you know, it's caught on... transcended just car people is it's it's this whole concept of the and shitification, right, of everything."

“Shitification” is slang for making something more about hype and status than about the original passion or quality. The point is that when more people chase the image, prices can go up.

Car

Ferrari

"But anybody, and I mean, old, young, we know people who have worked their entire lives to save up their diamonds to buy a Ferrari. And do you think that that's what they're dreaming to buy?"

Ferrari is a famous Italian brand that makes high-end supercars. The speaker is saying that a lot of people spend years saving specifically to buy a Ferrari.

Concept

E.V. conversions for the classic cars

"Are the conversions for the classic cars? Right. I was actually having a conversation with Bissy from Bissy Modo. Velocity. And, you know, he's made a huge wave of converting the 9-11s."

An EV conversion is when someone takes an older gas car and swaps in an electric power system. The speaker’s saying it can be the only way to keep some classic cars running if parts are too rare or too costly.

Car

Ferrari F40

"And, you know, I think the thing that I one of the most memories that I still recall is being in New York and an F40 went sliding around a corner. And I remember telling my dad, I was like, wow, who was that? My dad, that's Ferrari."

The Ferrari F40 is one of the most famous old-school Ferraris—an extreme, loud, fast supercar. The speaker remembers seeing one drift or slide around a corner, which is why it stuck in their head.

Car

66 coupe, Mustang coupe

"when I was 13, my grandmother had we had a 66 coupe, Mustang coupe. [1529.2s] And I used to drive around. [1531.1s] She had a huge ranch and I would drive the Mustang around the land"

They’re talking about a 1966 Ford Mustang coupe, which is one of the most famous classic American cars. They describe driving it around their grandmother’s ranch, which is exactly the kind of childhood car story that makes people fall in love with cars.

Term

autocross

"And and that's like the ultimate childhood for a car enthusiast. [1549.0s] Yeah, like I was doing donuts, couldn't see over the dash. [1551.7s] You know, I'm just I just knew explaining to hold the steering wheel [1553.5s] or push the gas pedal in the car. [1555.4s] And the third would be the first time I did an autocross,"

Autocross is a timed driving event on a course made with cones. You drive through the course as fast as you can, focusing on control and turning rather than racing on a highway.

Term

FIA

"whatever you want, I would love to see an FIA like speed racer like league."

FIA is the organization that writes the rules for a lot of major car racing. They help decide what cars are allowed to do and how safety is handled.

Term

LMP

"Because if you look at LMP cars, like an LMP car destroyed the Nurburgring lap time and ran like a five minute some lap time, which was."

LMP means Le Mans Prototype—special race cars made for endurance racing. They’re designed to be very fast and efficient over long stints, not just for short sprints.

Place

Nurburgring

"Because if you look at LMP cars, like an LMP car destroyed the Nurburgring lap time and ran like a five minute some lap time, which was."

The Nürburgring is a legendary race track in Germany. It’s tough and twisty, so when a car sets a fast lap there, it’s a big deal.

Term

F one

"Like, I don't feel that F one is the pinnacle of motorsports anymore."

“F one” is Formula 1, the top-level open-wheel racing series. The host is basically saying they don’t think it’s the most advanced racing anymore.

Concept

pinnacle of motorsports

"Like, I don't feel that F one is the pinnacle of motorsports anymore."

The phrase “pinnacle of motorsports” means the very top of racing. Here, the speaker is saying they think another series is now more impressive than Formula 1.

Term

WEC

"I feel like, honestly, like WEC is kind of kind of that move because you've got LMP racing GT four racing, you know, different classes at the same time."

WEC is the World Endurance Championship—races that last a long time. Cars of different types can compete together, and strategy and durability are a huge part of winning.

Term

GT four

"because you've got LMP racing GT four racing, you know, different classes at the same time."

GT4 is a class of race cars based on production models. It’s usually a step below the more expensive GT3 category, but it’s still real racing with purpose-built setups.

Term

Group A and B

"Like, because like you said, the technology they had back in the MCD days and the group A and B and see whatever it's like."

These were official rally rules that decided what race cars were allowed. Group B in particular is remembered for being extremely powerful and dangerous, so it became legendary—and controversial.

Term

aerodynamic

"Well, and especially when you look at all of the engineering and intention that goes into making it as aerodynamic as possible."

Aerodynamics is how the car cuts through the air. Better aerodynamics can help the car feel more stable and efficient, especially when you’re going fast.

Car

95 Nissan Skyline GTR

"one thing that I really like about like I daily drive 95 Nissan Skyline GTR."

A 1995 Nissan Skyline GT-R is a legendary turbocharged Japanese sports car. The host is saying that when you drive it often, it can start to feel like a normal car—even though it’s a big deal to enthusiasts.

Concept

Grand Tourismo dream car

"And that was because it was like, that was my F40, you know, that was my Grand Tourismo dream car."

“Grand Tourismo” is a type of car meant for long drives where you can go fast and still enjoy the ride. The host is saying the Skyline GT-R was his dream car for that kind of driving.

Car

Tesla Model

"I like EVs. Now, do I like the Tesla model three? No, it's like, okay."

The Tesla Model Y is an electric SUV, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s made for regular driving, not just racing or special trips. The podcast mentions it while talking about which Tesla models they like.

Concept

Canyon roads

"Half these dudes that I find on the Canyon roads talk about how bad of a driver they are and they can't tell you what a proper apex of a corner is or what late braking means or any of that shit."

“Canyon roads” are twisty public roads in hilly areas. They can feel fun like a track, but they’re not built for racing and don’t have the same safety protections.

Term

apex of a corner

"Half these dudes that I find on the Canyon roads talk about how bad of a driver they are and they can't tell you what a proper apex of a corner is or what late braking means or any of that shit."

When you turn, the “apex” is the closest point to the inside of the corner. Drivers use it to make the turn smoother and set up for better acceleration when they straighten out.

Term

late braking

"Half these dudes that I find on the Canyon roads talk about how bad of a driver they are and they can't tell you what a proper apex of a corner is or what late braking means or any of that shit."

Late braking means you wait longer before slowing down for a turn. On a race track, that can help you keep more speed, but it only works if you have enough grip and stopping power.

Term

tires are talking too loud

"I tell people if you're in the canyons and your tires are talking too loud, you're going too fast."

When tires “talk” loudly, it usually means they’re reaching the limit of grip and generating audible squeal or chatter. That’s a sign you’re pushing traction hard—on public roads, it’s a warning that the situation may be unsafe or beyond what the tires can reliably handle.

Term

higher compound tire

"And if you have a, if you need a higher compound tire, get a higher compound tire, but, you know, it's not a race track."

A “higher compound” tire usually means a tire made with softer rubber for more grip. More grip can help you go faster safely on a track, but it can also wear out sooner.

Car

Corvette

"The stuff that separates us, which is why it's awesome that cars, you know, it's like, we can argue about which cars, the better car, what brands, the better brand, you know, the Corvette's the best thing."

A Corvette is a famous sports car from Chevrolet. People who love cars often argue about whether a Corvette is the best choice compared to other brands like Porsche.

Concept

restore it

"He had this really weird car. Let me restore it. You know, I'm seeing a lot of cool social media posts about like, hey, inherited this car or hey, I bought this car..."

“Restoring” a car means working on it so it’s in good shape again, like it used to be. It’s more than a quick repair—people often take their time to fix a lot of things so the car runs and looks right.

Part

air filter

"How do I change the air filter on a 1960s realms? They have the technology."

The air filter cleans the air that goes into the engine. If it gets dirty, the engine doesn’t breathe as well, and the car can run worse.

Concept

vintage cars

"They're kind of getting back to some of that physical grass root stuff and motorsports and cars. That's it. And I say before technology to support like an interest in the vintage cars."

“Vintage cars” are older cars that people keep and enjoy because they’re interesting and have character. Many owners work on them themselves and try to preserve what makes them special.

Car

Acura Integra

"...d, you know, some other cars. But I drove the new Integra. It's the A-spec with a manual transmission."

The Acura Integra is a smaller car from Acura that’s meant to be fun to drive. In the podcast, they mention the A-spec trim and that it can be had with a manual transmission. That means the driver shifts gears themselves instead of the car doing it automatically.

Car

Honda Integra

"And now a lot of these cars are daily drivers and stuff, right? ... But I drove the new Integra. It's the A-spec with a manual transmission."

The Honda Integra is a small Honda that’s meant to feel fun and connected to driving. Here, the host talks about the manual version (A-spec) and says the shifter and controls feel really smooth and easy to use.

Term

manual transmission

"But I drove the new Integra. It's the A-spec with a manual transmission."

A manual transmission is the kind of car where you change gears yourself. You use a clutch pedal and the gear stick, and it can feel more engaging than an automatic.

Car

Porsche 911 GT3 RS

"But I drove my first GT3 RS yesterday, 991.2. [3163.5s] It's a car that I've always liked."

This is a Porsche 911 GT3 RS, a super track-oriented version of the 911. The “RS” is the more extreme, performance-first trim. The “991.2” part tells you which generation it is.

Car

Honda Prelude

"the stuff we grew up with, like the Hondas of Yor, right? [3179.9s] Yeah, Preludes and the Accords, the manual stuff, right?"

The Honda Prelude is an older Honda model that many enthusiasts remember as fun to drive. The host brings it up to show that the Integra reminds them of the Hondas they liked growing up—especially the ones that felt engaging.

Car

Honda Accord

"[3179.9s] Yeah, Preludes and the Accords, the manual stuff, right? [3183.1s] They still sell that car."

The Honda Accord is a popular Honda model that also came in versions that were fun to drive. The host mentions it to connect the modern Integra to the kind of Hondas they grew up liking—especially the ones you could drive with a manual.

Term

Civic Type R

"And you don't even need the 300 horsepower one, the one that's basically the clone of the of the Civic Type R."

The Civic Type R is Honda’s high-performance version of the Civic. The host is saying the Integra’s stronger version is very similar in spirit to the Type R, so you don’t necessarily need that top power level to get the experience you want.

Term

A-spec

"I think it's the A-spec. It's the 200 horsepower car."

“A-spec” is a name Honda uses for a particular trim level—basically a specific version of the car with a certain set of features. Here, it matters because it’s the around-200-horsepower Integra version the host recommends.

Car

Nissan Gtr

"...u have in my long search of if I were to sell the GTR, what would I get? And I came down to two vehicle..."

The Nissan GT-R is a very fast sports car made by Nissan. People consider it when they want strong performance and quick acceleration. The podcast mentions it because the speaker is comparing it to other cars while thinking about what to buy next.

Car

Acura Integra Type S

"I think it was the clone, not the Type R, but the Acura Integra Type S. [3245.5s] It's the Type S, yeah, the three diverse car one."

The Acura Integra Type S is a sportier, faster version of the Integra. The host is saying that if they were choosing between Integra performance models, they’d pick the Type S.

Car

Cadillac CT5E Blackwing

"And when I say this, Cadillac CT5E Blackwing is the best car. [3278.9s] OK, I have driven. ... [3300.5s] A 600 horsepower, 600 or 650 horsepower, 650 put down the torque. [3311.4s] I drove the 10 speed auto and it was so good."

The Cadillac CT5 Blackwing is a powerful performance sedan. In this segment, the host says it’s the best car they think you can buy and that it’s especially fun to drive, even with the automatic.

Term

torque

"A 600 horsepower, 600 or 650 horsepower, 650 put down the torque. [3304.5s] Yeah, I'll be here's another shocker."

Torque is the engine’s “pulling power.” More torque usually means the car feels quicker and easier to accelerate, not just faster on paper.

Term

10 speed auto

"I didn't even want the manual. [3310.4s] Oh, interesting. [3311.4s] I drove the 10 speed auto and it was so good. [3315.4s] It was stupid how good it was."

“10 speed auto” refers to an automatic transmission with 10 forward gears. More gears can help keep the engine in its best power/efficiency range, which can make the car feel smoother and quicker than a lower-gear-count automatic.

Term

supercruise

"The supercruise in the Chevy was 10 out of 10. Like I could not find anything bad about that car, except for"

Super Cruise is a feature that helps the car drive more on its own. On certain roads, it can steer and control speed so you don’t have to constantly hold the wheel.

Term

wagon

"except for they don't make it in a wagon and I told the Cadillac corporate team. I said, they're like, what do you think of the car?"

A wagon is a car with extra space behind the back seats for cargo. The host is saying they wish the car came in that wagon shape.

Car

Ford Bronco

"..., this is good. I mean, I always please don't say Bronco. No, no, you know, it's funny."

The Ford Bronco is an SUV made for off-road driving. It’s designed to handle rough roads and outdoor adventures better than many regular cars. The podcast mentions it briefly, likely as a model name in the conversation.

Car

GT 350 R Mustang

"because I had a one of the GT 350 R Mustangs, the 2017s. And it was the most intoxicating, like exhaust from the factory"

This is a special, more performance-focused Mustang from Ford’s Shelby lineup. People love it partly because it sounds really good even when it’s stock, not modified.

Term

exhaust from the factory

"And it was the most intoxicating, like exhaust from the factory and just the whole driving experience."

That phrase means the car still had its original exhaust system from the factory. The host is saying it sounded great without needing any upgrades.

Car

GT 350

"I think it was a GT. It was a GT 350, not an R, but still fantastic."

This is a high-performance Mustang from Ford’s Shelby line. Even without the top “R” version, it’s still a serious car that people notice right away.

Concept

teaching them to drive a stick young

"I think the secret to a good kid is teaching them to drive a stick young. Yeah."

They’re saying one way to raise a good driver is to teach someone to drive a stick shift when they’re young. It helps you learn how to control the car smoothly.

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