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Two top F1 drivers punished by the new regulations,
02:26
with two very different reactions.
02:29
Max Verstappen and Charles Leclerc can't race the way they want to
02:32
and Verstappen is threatening to quit.
02:34
But Leclerc has built a team to help him master the new rules.
02:39
We look at what's going on.
02:41
Plus, F1 faces a crunch meeting,
02:44
and who is Formula One's greatest ever team boss?
02:48
So, a fair bit to get through on this episode of the Motorsport F1 show
02:59
Well, Mark, as this episode is launched and goes live,
03:03
there's a very big meeting going ahead,
03:05
which is going to change the regulations, perhaps for the rest of the season.
03:09
Rather than speculate on what may or may not happen from this meeting,
03:13
there are implications through the grid aren't there.
03:16
And I guess each team is going to be looking at it from a slightly different angle,
03:19
but they all want the same outcome, I suppose.
03:23
I think this is such an important issue of Formula One,
03:28
getting this ride, getting the energy split right
03:31
and trying to address the criticisms that Formula One has brought on itself
03:37
in these first three races, that there's an overall broad consensus
03:42
among all the teams between Formula One management and the FIA.
03:47
So, I don't think anybody's sort of offside.
03:52
There may be, you know, people hoping that it goes more
03:57
in favour of whatever their strengths are,
03:59
and, you know, there's maybe others that hope that some of their weaknesses
04:05
can be disguised a little bit more with whatever's decided.
04:08
But I don't think anybody's fundamentally opposed to the idea
04:14
of making substantial changes to try and address the issues
04:19
of the type of racing we've seen in, but in particular, there's two issues.
04:24
There's the closing speed differentials between a car on charge and one that's not.
04:31
And the very obvious way
04:36
that drivers are having to not attack corners in qualifying.
04:41
And so these are the two things that have to be,
04:45
that are the main things in the sights of those looking to truth the rules.
04:50
Yeah, as I said, the speed differential was highlighted really by Ben
04:54
and wasn't it last time out at Suzuka.
04:55
We're not going to dwell really on the ifs, the what's the maybes and things like that.
04:59
We'll come to that next time when we have some concrete answers, hopefully.
05:03
But Formula One has possibly had a break when it needed to.
05:06
Obviously, the reason for the break is not at all good news for the globe.
05:10
And hopefully, you know, it gets resolved as quickly as possible
05:13
for the benefit of everybody.
05:14
But to Grand Prix's missing means that the FIA Formula One management
05:18
that teams have a bit of time to to iron this one out
05:20
and then work on whatever the outcome of this meeting happens to be.
05:25
We, you know, there's there's bigger, more important things happening
05:29
in the outside world than in Formula One.
05:30
But there's a lot happening in Formula One as well.
05:33
So, yeah, let's let's hope it all gets resolved in a in a way that keeps
05:39
the maximum number of people happy.
05:42
Yeah, absolutely right.
05:43
Now, your latest column, the MPH column talks about two drivers
05:47
relating to this issue and how they both approached the the troubles
05:52
that they're facing with their respective cars, talking Max Verstappen
05:56
and Charles Leclerc.
05:57
Why did you choose these two drivers specifically to focus on?
06:01
I think it's quite interesting where they're both out in their careers,
06:04
two drivers of immensibility and both being compromised
06:10
in how they can express their talent at the moment,
06:13
partly by just the traits of their individual cars, in the case of Max Verstappen,
06:18
but also by the the traits of the regulations
06:22
that the regulations have imposed upon driving styles.
06:26
So they're being affected in different ways.
06:29
But it's quite interesting because people when people are trying to rate drivers
06:34
and who's who's best, who's better than somebody else, where everybody stacks up.
06:39
It's it's quite a misleading thing because it's not it's not some constant.
06:44
And it depends upon the circumstances
06:49
and it depends upon whether their car allows them to exploit
06:55
their talent and sometimes you'll get a false ceiling put upon it.
07:01
And this is what Max is going through at the moment with a car
07:04
that has quite a lot of slow speed understeer.
07:06
And this is where he was in early twenty two and twenty three
07:09
when if you remember Sergio Perez was very competitive with him.
07:13
It wasn't that suddenly Perez had become as good as Verstappen.
07:18
It was just that Verstappen had a sort of false ceiling put upon his special stuff.
07:23
He couldn't access it because the car just didn't allow him to do that.
07:27
And in his case, what he's wonderfully good at
07:31
is getting the initial very quick rotation of the car into a slow medium speed corner
07:37
by how he's trading off the braking in the steering.
07:41
And but then not suffering a time loss
07:44
through getting the rear tyre scrubbing in the the rest of the corner.
07:49
So most drivers when they try to do that, well,
07:53
yes, you can get the quick rotation by doing that,
07:56
but you'll tend to not gain as much lap time doing that
07:59
as you then lose from the excess scrubbing of the rear
08:02
because you haven't been able to feel as delicately as he can.
08:05
So he can pivot on a credibly narrow point.
08:09
And that's where when you make the car really pointy,
08:13
that's where the gap between him and a say a good but not a great driver
08:20
So that that's where he is at the moment.
08:22
But even even though that's a trait of the car rather than the regulations,
08:28
he's further frustrated by the regulations
08:30
because when he can get the car to do that, all it means is that he's using up energy
08:35
that then he doesn't have down the straights and he gets punished for doing that.
08:40
So the other thing with the Clare,
08:43
the Clare's got this amazing ability to just hold the car right on the edge
08:48
of the rear grip and hold it there just throughout through a corner.
08:53
So he's sort of quite acrobatic in that.
08:56
But he then he's punished for this new regulation set
09:00
because when he he goes to do something really spectacular,
09:03
something that he's saved up for the final run in Q3.
09:08
The algorithm doesn't recognize what he's done
09:11
because the algorithms is based itself on what he's done.
09:13
So far, so there isn't that room for that great improvisation
09:17
as he feels the track changing.
09:18
He feels the outer limits of the car more finely.
09:22
So yeah, he's being punished a different way.
09:25
So they're both very frustrated by these regulations,
09:29
but they're in totally different positions,
09:31
even though the drivers of quite similar ability.
09:35
Max has achieved everything.
09:36
Max has done everything.
09:37
Max has won four world championships and broken all sorts of records.
09:41
And he's now very, very disillusioned
09:43
and he's finding it very hard to stay positive.
09:49
And he's talking about retiring at the end of the season.
09:52
If things don't change with Leclerc is reacted in a very different way.
09:57
But Leclerc is not achieved his potential.
10:01
He's he's never been given a championship caliber car.
10:05
He's been a top driver for at least eight seasons now.
10:08
And so there'll be an underlying frustration there.
10:11
But there'll also be a determination that he needs to get in that car.
10:15
He hasn't proved what he thinks he can prove yet.
10:19
So he's reacted in a very positive way.
10:21
In fact, he's got his own people,
10:25
his own software people that come in and work through all the different
10:28
permutations that you might encounter on a race track
10:32
with the energy management.
10:34
And so he's going in pre-prepared.
10:37
So I just find it very interesting that these two amazing drivers,
10:42
both being compromised by the the regulations
10:45
in expressing their amazing ability,
10:48
but have reacted in totally different ways
10:51
because of the different circumstances and different histories.
10:54
So yeah, that's that's where I've gone this week.
10:58
So to wind it back a bit, Max's issue,
11:01
apart from problems with the car,
11:03
I mean, it's not as point as he'd like at the moment,
11:04
as you say, is that because he's able to get that rotation done
11:06
early in a car that he likes is working for him is pointy.
11:09
He can get you can get on the power more quickly.
11:11
But because of this energy staff situation,
11:13
he runs out of power earlier,
11:15
which means he can't drive the way he'd like to arrive
11:17
because if he drives the way he'd like to drive,
11:18
he'll be compromised further down the line.
11:21
That's the essence of his frustration.
11:24
With it when it comes to Red Bull,
11:26
obviously they've been looking to try to satisfy
11:28
not just Max for Max's reasons,
11:30
but their own their own reasons they've got to satisfy it.
11:33
What can they do as it currently stands
11:37
without any regulation changes
11:39
to suddenly make that car more to Max's liking?
11:44
Or is there zero they can do
11:46
because they're clipped so much by these energy regulation?
11:50
Well, without trying to second guess
11:53
what were they going to come up with at this meeting?
11:57
What they've got in terms of how the the energy deployment
12:01
has been working in these first three races?
12:04
No, everybody stuck with that
12:06
and everybody has been stuck with that,
12:07
but let's hope that that gets alleviated subsequently.
12:12
But in terms of the chassis balance that they've got,
12:16
no, that's just standard development work.
12:19
That's understanding where those traits are coming from,
12:22
listening to the driver, working out what they can do
12:27
in simulation to try and eradicate that trait
12:30
and move the balance around to somewhere else
12:32
and take weight out of the car and move it around
12:35
and all just all the normal development things.
12:38
And Red Bull have traditionally been very, very good
12:41
in development terms,
12:42
but they are in a first time situation this year
12:48
in that they're trying to develop their own engine as well.
12:51
So that that's in a very early stage of development.
12:54
Looks quite good actually in terms of its harvesting
12:59
efficiency, but it also looks a bit clunky.
13:02
It's not always working cleanly,
13:04
but when it's working properly, it looks pretty good.
13:06
But again, that's something that's just standard development
13:10
and I think that's gonna be a big part
13:13
of the improving that car.
13:16
And as you improve the power unit,
13:18
it also makes it easier to improve the chassis
13:22
because the more power you have,
13:25
the more you're able to use wing levels
13:29
and more downforce levels to give you the balance
13:32
that the driver wants.
13:34
So yeah, it all goes on and on.
13:36
That's just gonna be standard development,
13:38
but in terms of the frustrations arising
13:41
from the energy split,
13:42
it's all hugging in the air at the moment.
13:45
Yes, as I say, this is the topic of your MPH column,
13:49
which anybody can go and check out.
13:51
I've got emotesportmagazine.com.
13:52
You can have a read for yourself.
13:53
It goes into quite a lot of detail.
13:55
Let's just flip to Charlotte Kledder.
13:56
No, with Max very quickly, Max's personality,
14:00
and you say that the stages they're at with their careers,
14:03
Max has always said that he won't be in Formula One forever.
14:05
He's always got his eye on something else.
14:07
We know that he has his GT3 team
14:09
in GT World Challenge Europe and beyond.
14:11
We know that he's gonna be racing at the Nürburgring,
14:13
for example, the 24 hour race.
14:15
So he's already looking at those other areas,
14:18
maybe not necessary for a future,
14:19
but certainly look at those areas
14:21
because the opportunity is there for him.
14:23
But with Max and his mentality,
14:27
the way he's facing this, is it really,
14:31
and we talked about this before,
14:32
but is it really a case of if he's not satisfied
14:35
with what comes out of this meeting,
14:37
Max could very well leave at the end of the season.
14:40
Is it that cut and dried?
14:42
Oh, I think it's something that we have to take seriously.
14:46
I think it's perfectly feasible
14:48
that that's the route that he chooses.
14:53
he's always said that that first title
14:55
was mission accomplished really,
14:57
and everything after that was just nice,
14:59
but the first title was all he dreamt about
15:03
and didn't ever think he would get that far,
15:06
but he did, and so after that,
15:08
you said you're just repeating yourself
15:11
just because it's an indulgence.
15:14
You can, all the opportunity is there and you can do it.
15:18
So if that's how you feel about it all,
15:23
then when it becomes much more difficult
15:26
and the rewards aren't there
15:28
and you kind of exploit your own ability,
15:31
then yeah, I think it's perfectly feasible.
15:33
It's not as if he's addicted to Formula One.
15:36
Some people are, but I don't think he,
15:38
he's never given the impression that he is.
15:41
So I think, yeah, I think it's something that he may well,
15:44
and also you've got to think of his age.
15:49
So there's nothing to stop him thinking,
15:51
yeah, I might do two or three years out and then come back.
15:54
You know, if the cars are looking good in,
15:56
you know, 2030 or 2031, I might try one
15:59
and see if it lights my fire and I might come back.
16:02
That might be interesting.
16:04
He's got the world at his feet really.
16:06
He doesn't need to worry too much about his career.
16:10
He's achieved all he wants to achieve.
16:15
Imagine if he did, if he did that, that option,
16:18
he had disappeared off for a couple of years
16:19
and then decided to come back.
16:20
Pretty much all teams would be falling over
16:22
to get him to sign on the dotted line.
16:25
There's one, there's one avenue
16:27
or one angle of looking at Max Verstappen
16:29
that this is toys out the pram, this is petulance.
16:32
That he just doesn't, he can't win
16:33
so he's not interested.
16:35
But it doesn't, if you dig in a bit deeper than that,
16:38
it doesn't seem to be the case.
16:39
He's not saying, I'm not not liking this
16:41
because I'm not winning.
16:43
I don't like this because it's not racing.
16:46
That seems to be the angle he's coming from.
16:49
He's saying, even if we improve the car to the extent
16:52
that I can start winning races again,
16:54
I don't think I'll be enjoying winning races
16:57
having to drive like this.
16:58
So that still wouldn't be enough.
17:00
That alone wouldn't do it.
17:01
So no, I don't think it's petulance.
17:03
I think that's like an outsider looking in
17:08
and coming to that logical conclusion,
17:12
interpreting his comments that way.
17:14
I don't sense that that's where it's coming from.
17:17
It's just, he's not thinking about what it looks like
17:21
or how it's perceived.
17:23
It's just, he's just being himself
17:25
and that's how he feels about it.
17:26
Then he doesn't owe anybody anything.
17:28
He's done what he wants to do and it's all there for him.
17:35
I think it depends on what side
17:37
of the Max Verstappen fan club you're on,
17:39
Because if you don't like Max Verstappen,
17:41
it falls into a lovely narrative
17:42
that the internet has created.
17:43
If you do like Max Verstappen,
17:45
as most F1 fans should like Max Verstappen
17:48
for good to say, then it's nice to know
17:51
that he's being taken seriously,
17:54
but it's not for any other reason
17:56
than he just wants to enjoy his racing again.
17:58
Charlotte Clair, you mentioned a few moments ago
18:00
that Charlotte Clair has employed
18:01
this team of software engineers, I guess,
18:04
to help him understand how best to deploy
18:08
the power that he has at his disposal
18:09
to get the best from the race.
18:11
That, to me, is a really, really interesting story
18:13
because it shows somebody who's willing to keep adapting
18:17
and to keep gaining the 1%,
18:19
but not just content with letting the team
18:22
deal with it themselves.
18:23
Yeah, and I think it really shows the intensity
18:28
of his desire and I think he's quite a special driver
18:33
and I think even already in those three races
18:37
that we've had, he's shown that he is absolutely masterful
18:42
in how he uses the battery and the deployment.
18:45
He might not enjoy the style of racing,
18:48
but he's extremely good at it
18:50
and you see him holding off faster cars
18:52
and then he compasses them and he repasses them
18:54
and he forces them to use their batteries
18:59
in the wrong place for them
19:01
and able to pounce back and front.
19:03
He is absolutely masterful under these regulations.
19:07
He's helped a little bit by the Ferrari's traits,
19:10
the Ferrari's, the way it's geared
19:11
and the way it's turbo sizing and things like that.
19:15
Makes it a nicely raceable car,
19:17
but the way he's exploiting that is it's a joy to behold
19:20
and yeah, every demand that's sort of,
19:27
that the formula places upon drivers,
19:30
he just shows himself to be exceptional
19:32
and this latest demand, although he's not enjoying it,
19:36
he's again exceptional.
19:38
I think he's a wonderful driver.
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Much like football teams over the years
21:14
have changed the way they train,
21:16
the way they analyze their players' likelihood
21:18
to get injured and things like that,
21:20
is that not the norm then
21:21
for every single one of the now 22 drivers,
21:26
current drivers in a Formula One grid,
21:27
to be having a team of people
21:29
to be looking at this sort of detail
21:31
or is it above and beyond the norm?
21:34
This is beyond the norm
21:35
because everybody has the simulation
21:37
and whole banks of engineers and test drivers
21:41
trying out different things,
21:42
but a driver doing that
21:44
and doing his own stuff with his own people
21:48
because the demand is so new
21:50
and there's so many different aspects to it
21:52
that no one's fully mastered yet.
21:54
Now that's gone beyond.
21:56
I think it's just where he's at.
21:58
That's just where he wants so much to achieve his potential.
22:04
It is worth checking out Mark's column.
22:06
Like I mentioned, the MPH column,
22:07
it goes into really good detail.
22:09
It gives you an idea really of how both Max
22:11
and Charlotte Clair have been focusing on this season.
22:14
Maybe it gives you an idea of their mentality as well.
22:18
And if you want to stay across all the things
22:19
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22:20
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22:23
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22:35
Now Mark, because of this being a slightly different episode,
22:39
we are in a bit of a downtime as we know between the races.
22:41
What I've done is I've grabbed up four questions
22:43
from the audience, from our lovely listeners and readers
22:46
and viewers as well.
22:48
And at the end of this episode,
22:49
I'll give you the ways to get your questions to Mark
22:53
for next time, but four questions for you, Mark.
22:56
I'm going to grill you here.
22:58
First one is from Gavin C and he says,
23:01
Hi Mark, after listening to your Adrian Newey podcast,
23:05
the episode a couple of weeks ago, last week,
23:06
maybe last week, two weeks ago, whenever it was,
23:08
I was curious to find out who you rate
23:10
as the best team principal we have seen in Formula One.
23:14
Is that across, is that of all time?
23:17
Over to you, you can interpret that as you like.
23:20
Yeah, I mean, so many contenders
23:21
and there's so many different eras
23:24
that they've shone in.
23:28
So obviously the names that come to the fore
23:32
are Enzo Ferrari, Colin Chapman, Ron Dennis, Frank Williams,
23:40
and then latter times, Total Wolf, Christian Horner.
23:46
You know, so there are others still making their,
23:49
their reputations very early in their careers,
23:51
which we'll probably have to consider
23:53
in some time in the future, but yeah,
23:57
I think Enzo Ferrari is the most storied
24:01
and inspirational of them all, isn't he?
24:05
But he's from an era where it was,
24:12
which legends were made, you know,
24:15
it's from the black and white days sort of thing.
24:18
And pre-war even, and he was already making his name,
24:22
running the Works Alpha team
24:24
and doing extraordinary things behind the scenes.
24:28
And then he has this incredibly charismatic brand
24:33
of his own after the war.
24:36
But yeah, the cars have occasionally been dominant
24:41
and Ferrari have been,
24:45
because of the charisma of the brand,
24:48
they're allowed sort of longer gaps
24:51
between being contenders
24:53
than probably other teams would be.
24:57
But yeah, he sees one of them.
24:58
Colin Chapman not only, you know, led this team Lotus
25:03
to amazing technical innovations and dominance
25:09
and radical new ideas that revolutionized the sport
25:13
several times, but he was also running the team
25:16
and running the car company
25:17
that the team was an offshoot of.
25:20
So yeah, he's the inspirational engineer
25:23
for people like Adrian Newey
25:24
and Gordon Murray and things like that.
25:26
So he's another contender.
25:29
Ron Dennis, he absolutely changed the scale
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of what a Formula One team could be.
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And he took this team that was heading for oblivion
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and absolutely made it a super team,
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better than any anybody.
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Everybody else had to completely change the scale
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And he enjoyed three decades, three decades at the top.
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Fran Williams, very inspirational character,
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very unusual man that full of charisma himself.
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Yeah, and then the other,
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if you look at the record of achievements,
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just in the numbers of the dominant eras of Red Bull
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and then the dominant eras of Mercedes,
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you can make a case for both Christian Honor
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and Total Wolf as well.
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There isn't a best as it's just who most resonates
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with the things that you admire.
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But for me, I guess if there has to be one,
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it would be Enzo Ferraro.
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So I think you could tell that I was just about
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to launch into, I'll have to press you for one there.
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Enzo Ferraro is the one that gets your vote,
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but it's still a kind of, it was an open answer, I think.
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Enzo Ferraro, because you had to give an answer,
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but there are a few names in the hat.
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Our next question then is from M12 by 12.
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Says, there's talk of increasing fuel flow,
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which for race distance would require larger fuel tanks,
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more robust cooling and potential reliability challenges.
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Why not instead increase battery capacity
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from four to five or six megajoules
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while raising limits on energy harvesting during a lap?
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Why not consider for 2028 a homologated energy recovery
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unit on the front axle developed by engine manufacturers
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working together like IndyCar did
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with its hybrid supercapacitor collaboration
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between Chevy and Honda?
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Yeah, so two parts to that question.
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So in terms of the energy storage,
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you really want to be reducing the available store
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because the bigger you make it,
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the more reward there is for backing off in the corners
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and deploying and getting more lap time.
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So in terms of the split between internal combustion engine
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and battery, you really need to get rid
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of this problem that we have in qualifying.
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You really need to alter the split more
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in favor of the internal combustion engine
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and less in favor of the battery.
29:18
But yes, in terms of harvesting, absolutely, yeah,
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increasing the harvest rate, absolutely,
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decreasing the deployment rate as well.
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So it lasts longer.
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So you harvest it more quickly,
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but what you've got, you are forced to use more sparingly.
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But in terms of what's available,
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no, you don't need to increase battery.
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You need to reduce the proportion of power
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that the battery is providing.
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In terms of taking energy from the front axle,
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yes, it would be way more efficient
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than just taking it from the rear.
29:58
And yes, that there has been a way
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of doing it in other categories and a standardized way.
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The concern in Formula One is that there would be
30:13
an extreme motivation to find a way of offsetting,
30:18
not just across the axle, but between the axles,
30:23
a way of introducing stability control.
30:28
And if you introduce stability control,
30:31
you're taking a huge skill set away from the driver,
30:36
probably the most important.
30:38
The thing that more than anything else differentiates
30:43
the really great driver from the good driver
30:46
is just that ability and turning to absolutely nil
30:51
how you rotate the car with the minimum of first light
30:55
that we were talking about before would first happen
30:58
without the time loss through scrubbing.
31:01
Stability control would optimize that
31:03
and make everybody do that almost perfectly.
31:06
And there would be an extreme motivation to do it
31:09
because it would be such a competitive advantage.
31:12
So really Formula One desperately
31:16
doesn't want to introduce that.
31:17
It's trying as hard as it can to not introduce that.
31:21
But yes, it would be much more efficient.
31:23
Lovely. James M has asked a question about the cost cap.
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Actually, he says, will teams be able to use
31:29
the month long gap until Miami
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to increase development of their cars?
31:33
Or will the budget cap mean that they can't afford
31:36
to do more than they planned?
31:39
I think it just gives you more time
31:44
without the distraction of the race team
31:47
disappearing for weeks on end and then coming back.
31:53
I think in terms of spend and nothing will change,
31:57
it's, in fact, it probably, you know,
32:01
that you're reducing the spend in terms of your travel,
32:03
that you might even be able to,
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you might end up having a little bit more
32:08
development budget than you would have done.
32:10
Now, the development will still be ongoing.
32:13
You won't notice any difference there.
32:17
Yeah, I guess the development wise,
32:18
they're always months ahead anyway.
32:20
They're always thinking of upgrade packages
32:22
down the line, aren't they?
32:23
So they think a couple of races
32:24
probably won't make huge difference, as you say.
32:26
Final question from either AI14 or Al14 says,
32:33
I think it's a cheeky question, this one.
32:34
With Kimi Antonelli leading the championship,
32:37
will Toto Wolf try and recruit an unhappy Max Verstappen,
32:40
again, to replace George Russell?
32:45
I picked it because it's a challenging question
32:47
or it's a cheeky question.
32:48
It is a challenging question.
32:50
Why would you want to be rid of George Russell?
32:52
He's doing a fantastic job and could well be this year's
32:57
world champion, you know, he's probably still odds on
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favorite to win this championship.
33:03
So you'd be ditching your world champion to take on
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somebody that said they don't particularly like
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this style of racing and then want to retire.
33:11
So I don't think that would be, it's not of the moment.
33:16
You know, it's just, if you freeze-frame it
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right at this moment in time, it's not a very,
33:23
it wouldn't seem a very attractive thing to do
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from Toto's point of view, I don't think.
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But the picture might change by the end of the year,
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What's that saying, better the devil you know, right?
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And as you said earlier, if Max decides to disappear off
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and then come back in a few years,
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you can bet your house on the fact
33:41
that Toto Wolf would be there in the conversation
33:42
if he's still informing one of that point,
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having a conversation with Max Verstappen.
33:46
Mark, thank you very much indeed.
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We'll pick up next time on the outcome of this big meeting.
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But it's an interesting time,
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we've formally won as always.
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Thanks so much for your time.
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Thank you for the great questions.
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Well, there you have it.
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